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Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty.

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Speaker 2: Hi all, Welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear

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Speaker 2: with Shannon Doherty, Part two with Mama Rosa, Hi Mom.

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Speaker 3: Hey baby.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, I think where we left off as

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Speaker 2: we were talking about Little House in New Beginning and

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Speaker 2: Michael and Ralph Bellamy and Victor French and sort of

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Speaker 2: we'd gone through Father Murphy and everything else. So and

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Speaker 2: I was pretty clear about how that was one of

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Speaker 2: the best experiences I had ever had and I think

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Speaker 2: still ever had. Just everybody was really warm and the

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Speaker 2: crew was fantastic. Lirus poker was really fun, you guys.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Liarus poker is where you take the

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Speaker 2: serial numbers off of a dollar bill and you play

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Speaker 2: with that and like if there's more ones, everybody goes, okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, two ones, And then I have to look

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Speaker 2: at everyone and figure out like, oh, maybe I have

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Speaker 2: two ones and my dollar bill plus someone saying two ones,

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Speaker 2: so then I could up it by saying five ones.

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Speaker 2: And it either keeps something upped or somebody will come

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Speaker 2: in with like, you know, fives or tens or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So it's and then you can call someone and if

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Speaker 2: they're bluffing. Obviously they lose, and if you call them,

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Speaker 2: you win. That's Lyrus poker, all right. It's actually very fun.

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Speaker 2: Sounds a little strange, but it's fun, especially when you're

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Speaker 2: a kid on a set and you're essentially gambling at

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Speaker 2: a very young age poker. Yeah, but I want a

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Speaker 2: lot of dollars. I won that all the time. I

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Speaker 2: went against like who Show and all my crewmembers it was,

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Speaker 2: and Michael would always stand like buy me and be

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Speaker 2: so proud because he's the one who taught me how

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Speaker 2: to play. It was very awesome to see after a

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Speaker 2: little house. Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was before our house.

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Speaker 3: It was before our house. Okay, yeah absolutely, And yeah

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Speaker 3: you were in that not quite your teen years, kind

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Speaker 2: It was like it was very exciting for you, right

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Speaker 2: because it was Helen Hunt, Sarah Jisca Parker, Jonathan Silverman,

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Speaker 2: Leah Montgomery. Like it was a cool cast. Everybody was

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Speaker 2: really nice. I mean I was clearly super young and

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Speaker 2: they were all adults, but I just remember looking at

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Speaker 2: all of them being.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, they're the coolest people ever. And

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Speaker 1: they didn't treat me.

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Speaker 2: So differently because again, I had schooling on the set

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Speaker 2: and you were there and I was a kid, So

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Speaker 2: it's not like.

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Speaker 1: It's not like I was one of them. I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: But I didn't ever feel like I was miss misplaced

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Speaker 2: on the set.

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Speaker 3: You were never misplaced. And the interesting thing about it

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Speaker 3: is really like the age group that was portrayed in

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Speaker 3: the movie itself was basically in an age group that

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Speaker 3: you were kind of in. And so you as a

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Speaker 3: preteen almost a teen looking at them. They were older,

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Speaker 3: they were dancing, they were having all the and you

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Speaker 3: were just so in all of them and what they

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Speaker 3: were doing.

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Speaker 1: Right, So it was a lot like life.

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Speaker 2: So that went. That went really well. And then I

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Speaker 2: got on Our House, Yes, pretty much, And that was

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Speaker 2: with Wilford, Brimley and Dandro Hall, and that was pretty phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Kerry and Chad.

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Speaker 2: And I got very close to Wilford, Yes, she did

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Speaker 2: on that show and his family had family son.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 2: The interesting about Wilford is he was a wrangler originally

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Speaker 2: before becoming an actor, and he was very much into horses,

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Speaker 2: and he had house in Salt Lake City and then

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Speaker 2: he had a ranch in Lehigh. In Lehigh, Utah. He

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Speaker 2: was also a phenomenal skier, Yes, like phenomenal his A

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Speaker 2: good friend of his was a man by the name

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Speaker 2: of Off Engden who had held the record for I

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Speaker 2: think the longest like jump in skiing. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: some crazy thing. And when Wilford invited us kids to

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Speaker 2: all lessons with Off. And it's where I learned how

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Speaker 2: to ski. Not that I ski anymore. I'm too afraid

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Speaker 2: I think I was more of a daredevil back then.

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Speaker 2: So I would go and yeah, I would go on

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Speaker 3: But I did. Okay, you did great, I did, right,

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Speaker 3: I heard I was not on the ski run, so

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Speaker 2: But he also gave me a horse, Yes he did.

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Speaker 2: He gave me a horse named Brownie, and Brownie was

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Speaker 2: a quarter horse. Brownie was fantastic. Brownie ended up having

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Speaker 2: a broken wither bone. Yeah I had a broken witherbone.

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Speaker 2: But Wilford really really really got me back enthused, not

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Speaker 2: that I'd ever lost my enthusiasm, but I didn't have, like,

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Speaker 2: specifically my.

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Speaker 1: Own horse, not until you did. Robert Kennedy in his times.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and Little House was before all of that, right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: oh amazing.

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Speaker 3: I just got our house, Little House. The wording mixense.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I've talked about Robert Kennedy and

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Speaker 2: his times before, but Veronica Cartwright, Jason Bateman, Jason Bateman,

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Speaker 3: Jason has always been wonderful. Yeah, and his mother as well.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So when I auditioned for Robert Kennedy in this time,

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Speaker 2: they asked me if I rode horses. I said yes.

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Speaker 2: They said can you jump? I said how high? And

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Speaker 2: my mother that I needed to learn how to ride

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Speaker 2: a horse and quickly. So I leased a horse called

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Speaker 2: Old Dominion, but his bar name was Joey, and Old

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Speaker 2: Dominion was a little bit of a famous horse. But

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Speaker 2: I had this trainer named Hugh Todd that was I

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Speaker 2: time yet at one time, and he was a phenomenal

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Speaker 2: and I had to learn how to ride without stirrups,

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Speaker 3: The proper method of learning how to yes and.

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Speaker 2: Then even made me take like small jumps without stirrups.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty crazy, but you know it's it's even

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Speaker 2: though I don't ride as much as I used to,

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Speaker 2: I still have a really good seat because that comes

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Speaker 2: right back to you that you know how you're supposed

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Speaker 2: it there until I scrub scrub scrubbed, and then when

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Speaker 2: you don't think about what all comes with that. You

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Speaker 2: don't think about the fact that you have to pay

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Speaker 2: You have to pay for someone to go and exercise

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Speaker 2: barn that he was that Brownie was at. I think

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Speaker 2: they had like a groom, but it always you know,

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Speaker 1: But it was expensive.

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Speaker 3: And as a kid, you don't always realize that. Now

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Speaker 2: Is well, yeah, I mean, but how many horses did

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Speaker 2: Alberto Domingo, Aries, Thunder Am I missing one Sammy and

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Speaker 2: Sammy another horse that was given to me. So I

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm jumping around you guys. I had to

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Speaker 2: pay the rent plus grooms, plus feed, and we fed

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Speaker 2: our horses like extraordinarily well yes, there was just an

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Speaker 2: amazing amount of supplements and mash and Timothy Hay and

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Speaker 2: it was those bills. That's when I really discovered how.

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Speaker 1: Much horses cost.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 3: And I discovered how much I did. I discovered how

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Speaker 3: much work.

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Speaker 1: Was into right because you took over. Okay, so we're skipping.

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Speaker 2: We're skipping, we're skipping, go back to our house and

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Speaker 2: the wonderful gift that Wilford gave me and are skiing

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Speaker 2: and just that whole experience. Because I think I was like,

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Speaker 3: If you had your sixteenth birthday on there, that gave

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Speaker 2: It and just watching Wilford, who was very strong, very strong,

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Speaker 3: Protective of the three of you, the children.

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Speaker 2: Yes, extremely protective, you know, wanted to make sure that

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Speaker 2: And he really like felt for not only himself, but

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Speaker 1: It was it was pretty wild.

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Speaker 2: And then you just see, like, you know, these experiences

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Speaker 2: all helped me see how different people conducted themselves on

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Speaker 2: Deirdre Hall was a famous soap opera actress and she

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Speaker 2: was also strong, but she was very nice. I really

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Speaker 2: but she did it in an incredibly diplomatic way. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that was being on soaps for so

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Speaker 2: long days of our lives. I think it was a show.

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Speaker 2: She was on it.

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Speaker 1: And her dressing room she decorated it so pretty.

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Speaker 3: if it was like a little hat. I think it

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Speaker 3: she decorated it. She put in a gay bed and

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Speaker 3: everything else in her your little dresser, and yeah it was.

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Speaker 3: She had her own spot on the sound stage and

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Speaker 3: they put for the kids. They had you each had

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Speaker 3: which made it wonderful because it was kind of like

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Speaker 3: guess it was an artificial turf type of thing that

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Speaker 2: I like skipping around because I think that a podcast

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00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: like mine is all about like being clear and sometimes

441
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: the thoughts aren't always linear, but somehow, you know, one

442
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: thing will drive you to start thinking about something else

443
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: and it's okay to you know, talk about it and

444
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: go off subjects. Like, yes, we're supposed to be talking

445
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: career stuff, but I think everything that happens in your

446
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: personal life also impacts your career to such an extent absolutely.

447
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: And then another respect of that aspect of that is,

448
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: say you quaint it to a cocoon. You're growing up.

449
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: You're growing up in a family with values and respect

450
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: for one another and everything else, and we're trying to

451
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 3: prepare you to go eventually go whether you go to

452
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: college or out in the world to work. I mean,

453
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 3: whatever it is, if you're working in an outburg or whatever,

454
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: is to still keep those values in your heart and

455
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: your mind and the respect that you want for yourself.

456
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes not just in an entertainment industry,

457
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: but in different industries, I think you get into something,

458
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: into a situation, and it's just this is the cocoon

459
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: that now you're in, and maybe your defenses lessen, they loosen,

460
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 3: and suddenly things are happening before you even realize it.

461
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that.

462
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: I think also your confidence changes, yes, you know mine, Yes,

463
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: definitely went from being like a secure, happy kid working

464
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: on these great sets and enjoying every single second to

465
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: like a lot of pressure and a lot of stress

466
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: and a lot of really unhappy moments on certain sets,

467
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: like where I just couldn't I couldn't keep that like

468
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: belief and confidence in myself. It's very hard to be ridiculed,

469
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: and it's very hard to be judged. Yes, and I

470
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: think that I don't care how old you are. Those

471
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: things are hard to deal with.

472
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Speaker 3: I'm not the most confident in the world I know,

473
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: but I have a lot of faith, So I have

474
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: to pull a lot on my faith, which is to

475
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: me's that's my base. You know. Sometimes I just go

476
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: somewhere and I cry and I get I'm like okay, God,

477
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: like get me through this. And other times it's like

478
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: it's like like you, I'm like you. We sit down

479
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: and we talk and it's like it pulls me through things,

480
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: or like friends or just whatever. Sometimes you just need

481
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: to get off by yourself. There are people who come

482
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: into your life that when they come into their life,

483
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: they're presenting themselves in one way and then slowly but

484
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: surely who they are is beginning to take more and

485
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: more control of you and your feelings. And you're looking

486
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: because you've developed this love or this extreme like for

487
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: this person, whatever you're looking past what you should be

488
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: or would normally be looking at right. And that's what

489
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: human beings overall have to tell themselves. No, I deserve

490
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: more than this. I deserve respect, I deserve love. And

491
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: then that's how we get through it. We just have

492
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: to at some point talk ourselves to it, and sometimes

493
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: we have to go through Helen Back before we can

494
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 3: get to that point.

495
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: Well, I've certainly been through Helen Back.

496
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: You certainly, I will see.

497
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: I will say that I'm familiar with Helen Back a

498
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: couple of times. I've been through Helen Back now.

499
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: And as a mother, as a parent, it's the most

500
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: difficult thing in the world to not be able to

501
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: just intervene and snatch your child out of that situation.

502
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: And they're your child, regardless of age. It's always still

503
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 3: as a parent, you just want to like snatch your

504
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: child out of that situation and protect them, and you

505
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: can't and you can't.

506
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: Go really because you know, at the end of the day,

507
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: people have to learn their own lessons in life and

508
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: sometimes being in bad relationships, dealing you know, with a

509
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: narcissist and being you know, gaslighted or whatever is necessary

510
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: for the person to to sort of grow and learn

511
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: a lesson. You hope that it's not necessary, because what

512
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's a horrible thing to go through. Certainly,

513
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, I know that now. Currently I'm in a

514
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: very different place than I was, you know, over a

515
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: year ago, I was in a definitely, Yeah.

516
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: You've gained your strength back.

517
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: I have such a fight on my hands with cancer

518
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: that I don't have the time for fights with everybody else.

519
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: I just don't, and certainly not in my personal life.

520
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: And I don't have time for somebody who cheats.

521
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: There's no excuse for that. Instantly, there's no excuse for that.

522
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: It's no excuse for say, you have all the opportunity

523
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: to say to somebody, I'm really sorry, this isn't working

524
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: for me anymore, and I need something else or somebody

525
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: else in my life, and I'm going to go out

526
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: and I'm going to search for that, and I'm showing

527
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: you the respect to let you know so we can

528
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: end this relationship amicably and respectfully to one another. That's

529
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: the way it should be done. And unfortunately, whether it's

530
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: male or female, it happens.

531
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Too often either sex. Yeah, and too often, far too often.

532
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: We've definitely gone off in a different direction childhood, career

533
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: flash too, my life in the last decade. Yeah, okay,

534
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: so I'll try to get back on track. I really

535
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: like where we're going because I just think it's an honest,

536
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: you know, mother daughter conversation, and it's one that we've

537
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: had before. But every time, I think, you know, you

538
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: learn more about certain things that I went through, and

539
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: I learn more about your position. And that's not to

540
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: say that sometimes our conversations don't get heated, you know,

541
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: they do. Like sometimes I'll be like, I.

542
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: Don't want to hear it.

543
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. It's enough.

544
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: Don't you think I know what an idiot I am?

545
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: And you're like, I'm not saying that you're an idiot,

546
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: just you know, go use it the way that you

547
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: were raised. You probably didn't use the term I was saying,

548
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot. You don't have to rub it in.

549
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: But for eight out of ten conversations that we have,

550
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: I think they're very respectful and very much about like

551
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: they're very much about love and how to get through

552
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: everything and not just me but you as well.

553
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: Absolutely getting older is not I've never felt my age

554
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: and I've never felt my age.

555
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 2: Do you feel it now when I have to repeat

556
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: myself three times because you can't.

557
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: Hear it, it's my hearing and I'm going to I'm

558
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: going to a doctor for that.

559
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure once you're the doctor, you're going to hear perfectly.

560
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: I'm seventy six years old. My mother ended up with

561
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: My mother's ninety seven, but she didn't have a hearing

562
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: aid till she was probably eighty seven. And my dad

563
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: passed away at eighty and he had a hearing aid,

564
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: and I was just hoping. I'm just hoping I'm still here.

565
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: You don't need you don't need a hearing aid. It's

566
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: just you know, maybe a deep cleaner.

567
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: So maybe that's all.

568
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: But that's probably our biggest moments now between each other.

569
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: It's like what I'll say something and you're like hot,

570
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, and then I say it again, and then

571
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: I say it really loud, and then you're like, you

572
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: don't have to yell at me, and I'm.

573
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: Like, oh, but you can't hear.

574
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: Or you'll just say just for yeah.

575
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: I like to say just forget it because I hate

576
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: repeating myself. It's one of those things. But I also

577
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: according to you my voice goes in and out of

578
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: different timbres.

579
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: It does. Your your voice will get very low like

580
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 3: this and very soft.

581
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Nobody knows you.

582
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: And sometimes your lips are not open as much.

583
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: That one you said to me for the first time

584
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: the other day, and I was never so annoyed. I

585
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: was like, what are you talking about that my mouth

586
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: or my lips don't like, Yes, they do.

587
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: I was so annoyed by that comment.

588
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 3: As you can see, we really love each other.

589
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: We do.

590
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: We definitely do. Okay, So we we covered like super

591
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: early career recovered. I think we covered our house for

592
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 2: the most part, wouldn't you say yes?

593
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 3: And there were a lot of there were things in between.

594
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: There were various movies of the week which were wonderful.

595
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: Oh the one with Lindsay Wagner, The Other Woman.

596
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, working with the Bionic Woman, you were

597
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: really excited.

598
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: But she was so cool, very cool.

599
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: She was really really, really nice and smart and a

600
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: great actress. Again, working with on Robert Kennedy's Times, just

601
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: that cast was insane.

602
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: And then it was you Victoria. Wasn't that Jason's mom's name, Victoria?

603
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: Yes?

604
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: And Jason Bateman and he was pretty much the first

605
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: person I formed a crush on.

606
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: We were young. Do you remember we were in Hyanna Sport, right.

607
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 3: Yes, we were in Hyanna Sport and when.

608
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: It was cold.

609
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: It was this really old empty house. We had a

610
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 3: table in chairs and it was really cold and even

611
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 3: with like whatever the heat was, it wasn't since we heated.

612
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: We were all in big down coat at the time.

613
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: It was very which reminds me of another.

614
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: It was snowing some of the time there.

615
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: It was snowing most of the time.

616
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: And the hotel that we were at they had an

617
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: indoor pool, a heated indoor pool, Yes, And after work,

618
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: you and Victoria would take with the two kids, Jason

619
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: and myself and we would swim and you ladies would

620
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: chat and it was so much fun. And he's someone

621
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: that you knew even back then that he had something

622
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: incredibly special about he was.

623
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: At the time, a lot of people gave him the

624
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: term as being precocious, and I saw it as this smart,

625
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: smart discipline from the family child, not like a hard discipline, but.

626
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: He knew there were probably rules in that house.

627
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: Yes, what's interesting there was also a young girl on

628
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: the set played one of the younger Kennedy children. I

629
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 3: can't remember her name, and her sister was with her.

630
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: Her sister was hmm, I guess she was eighteen or

631
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 3: older because she was. She was there with her her mom.

632
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: Their mom was there too, so she might not have been.

633
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 3: But at the time she was just a lovely human being.

634
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: She later became the wife of Michael Landon Junior. Really, yes,

635
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: she was lovely. She was absolutely lovely. I thought, what

636
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: a beautiful girl. Huh yeah, And that was being told.

637
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: The only other time I remember being colder than that

638
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: was when you were shooting a Disney film in the

639
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: mountains of Utah and they brought Dad and myself we

640
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: were there. That gave us a house, a really nice

641
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: house on this golf course. And the first time they

642
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: took us to set, and they invited Dad and myself

643
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: to go to set, it was way up in the

644
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: mountains and they had these moon boot like boots for us.

645
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 3: It was a Disney show. I can't remember the name

646
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: of it. It was a movie, a Disney movie, and

647
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: they put these huge, big down coats on us and hoods.

648
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: I mean, we were bundled up.

649
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: We could hardly walk, but we were so happy to

650
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: have it Hull. The only other time I don't remember

651
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: that at all. The only other time I really remember

652
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: being freezing was I think also in Utah, but I

653
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: was older, you guys were not there, and my best

654
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: friend at the time, Deborah Woknin, was a stylust and

655
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: so I requested her for the movie.

656
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: It was a movie called The Ticket, and I remember that.

657
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: We were I mean, you literally could not get to

658
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: set unless you were on a snowmobile or some no

659
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: cat and.

660
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: You went way even further up.

661
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: That was crazy.

662
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: It was freezing, but Deborah did such a good job

663
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: that she kept me warm, and she also kept it

664
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: where apparently my character just had on so many front layers.

665
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: Periodically she would like strip down to another to finally

666
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: get to like a cat suit.

667
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: Was hysterical.

668
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: I would say, only Deborah would find a way to

669
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: make there be more wardrobe changes in a movie that

670
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: should have only really been one wardrobe change.

671
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: But she managed it.

672
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: That's the only time I remember being like freezing cold

673
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: but manageable because what she did.

674
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: Well and they had a good little group of kids,

675
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: and at some point they wanted them to do this

676
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: scene that was kind of like shot on a fliff

677
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: or something that was not really safe, and some of

678
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: the mothers were really upset about it. And eventually on

679
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: set showed up this really tall, big man and he

680
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 3: was the SAG representative. They had sent a SAG representative

681
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: to set.

682
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: Native American yes like us.

683
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: Yes, my great great grandmother was actually taken from her

684
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: home in Mississippi where she was married to the great

685
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: great grandfather and he was a US marshal. Anyway, she marched,

686
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: you know, and the trail of tears on foot from

687
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: Mississippi to Oklahoma. And the story goes that eventually the grandfather,

688
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: being a US marshal and they were about everything, he

689
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: went and got her and brought her back.

690
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 1: That's a pretty phenomenal story.

691
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, here we go into family.

692
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: I know. I mean, my brain today is just skipping

693
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 2: and a very private person. See, you should have said

694
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: no when I was like we got to do part two,

695
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 2: should be like I'm done.

696
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: Oh, It's kind of like I was like, how did

697
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 3: part one go? And I don't think I ever got

698
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: an answer, So I was kind of I.

699
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: Said, I haven't checked, okay, but you know, I haven't

700
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: checked in a while because you know, different episodes resonate

701
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: with people. I think what I decided on the podcast

702
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: is as long as I'm being truthful, honest, clear, sharing

703
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: parts of my life and helping people with cancer or

704
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: any sort of illness at all, I'm having good doctors

705
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: on if people are learning something that I don't care

706
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: if it's five people listening or one hundred thousand, Like

707
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I have to feel

708
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: really good about waking up and recording a podcast because

709
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: it's not you know, it takes time, it takes effort,

710
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 2: It takes letting your guard down and your walls down,

711
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: and being willing to go there with yourself and with

712
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: others and including like your fans on the journey with you.

713
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: It's very cathartic for us. It was like we're just

714
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: talking and it's.

715
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: Okay, right sit happens in life, and it's okay to

716
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: talk about it, and it's okay to share it.

717
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: Listen.

718
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: There are certain things that you know, maybe I don't

719
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: ever want to share. I don't really know. I'm not

720
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: there yet. I know that, you know. Recently on my Instagram,

721
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: I had to I didn't have to, but I chose

722
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: to post a email that had been sent to my

723
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: publicist from that terrible magazine in touch and listen. It's

724
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: not like what they were going to print made me

725
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: look bad, just I didn't need the added attention to something,

726
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: and especially from a publication. If you want to call

727
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: it that a trash mag that's probably a better word

728
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: for them, or a better term for them to completely

729
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: ignore the fact that we responded saying this is not true,

730
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: don't print it. Yeah, and that they had decided that

731
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: they were going to print it regardless. So for me,

732
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: I shared that because a I wanted to get the

733
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 2: jump on them and take their story away, take their

734
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: power away from them, and give it back to me.

735
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: And yeah, in my statement, I very much said this

736
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: is none of your business, and it's not and this

737
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: is again off track. But because I'm here with you

738
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: and we just discuss this stuff, and because it was,

739
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: you know, just last week, it is. I don't think

740
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: that because I choose to share certain parts of my

741
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: life in a podcast that that means that every aspect

742
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: is up for judgment, ridicule, or to be written about,

743
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: especially if it's not accurate. And if you're going to

744
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 2: make up a lie so you have a story, so

745
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: you have a byline, so you have a you know,

746
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: something to catch people's attention so that they'll buy your

747
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: stupid publication.

748
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: That's not fair.

749
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: No, it's not fair.

750
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: Being a public figure does not mean that I should

751
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: be subjected to that, or anybody should be, because honestly,

752
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: these people write these bad stories if their name is

753
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: on it, as far as I'm concerned, they're a public figure.

754
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: You want me to go through your trash, You want

755
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: me to go through your closet and pull out every

756
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 2: single skeleton and like put it out there, because that's

757
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: the next step between sewing and calling you out and

758
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: literally taking your entire life, every bad thing that you've

759
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: ever done, or every good thing, but turning it into

760
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: a bad that's the next step. And I don't ever

761
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: want to be that person because I don't think it's

762
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: fair to another human being. But these people need to

763
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: start being responsible and hold themselves accountable. And I get

764
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: that everybody needs to be to make money. I understand that.

765
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: But you love going to work and you love making

766
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: your own money, and you don't do it by trashing

767
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: other people. Instead, you do it by working in retail

768
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: where you care about your clients so much and you

769
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: make them feel great and you care about your job,

770
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: and that admirable. I don't care if you're a politician,

771
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: if you're the President of the United States, or a

772
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: gas station attendant or a janitor or an actor.

773
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: We all need to be more respectful.

774
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 3: When you're the mother of a child who's working, you

775
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: get stuff, and there's jealousies and there's everything else. And

776
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: I just always preferred to do what we signed up

777
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: to do.

778
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: Like, you're not even in the public eye and people

779
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: have written crazy stories about you.

780
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: It got to a point where when things were coming

781
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: in the press, and because of your popularity all over

782
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 3: the world, there were more things coming in the press.

783
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: I would get certain women who would come in and

784
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: they would say, oh, we heard that Shannon blah blah

785
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and I would sit there and I

786
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: would be nice, and I just wouldn't really. I'm like, well,

787
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: you can't read everything. You can't you believe everything you read. Finally,

788
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: one day I was just like, Okay, there's enough of this.

789
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: I looked that there were two women came in together

790
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: and they were telling me, oh, this, and I looked

791
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: at them and I said, Okay, here's the situation in

792
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: our home. I said, I have always told my children,

793
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: not just Shannon, also my son, whatever happens in your life,

794
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: daily life, everything, whatever happens, I don't want to hear

795
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: it from somebody else. Let me hear it from you first.

796
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: If I hear it from you first, then we can

797
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: sit down, we can discuss it, and we can decide

798
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: where we go with this. Right, And those two women

799
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: never said in.

800
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: Other words, oh yeah, because by the way, that was true.

801
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes it would switch off, like sometimes

802
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: I felt I could be more honest about certain things

803
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 2: with you. Sometimes it was more with Dad. But one

804
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: of you always knew what was happening in my life

805
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: at that time. I never kept secrets from you, guys,

806
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: you never kept secrets from me. I remember there was

807
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: a story when I was pretty young, and it was

808
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: like in National Inquirer or crap, which we all know

809
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: David Becker and an appropriate name, and it was something

810
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: about like you being grossly overweight and Michael Landon trying

811
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: to help you, but like you were on your and

812
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: you weren't.

813
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't grossly over wait, you weren't. I was like

814
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: heavier than I.

815
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Would want to bagbor, but you weren't in the public eye.

816
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: There was absolutely zero reason to write a lie.

817
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: You know.

818
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it literally.

819
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: Said something like you were about to die and they

820
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: had to do an intervention. It was just like, you know,

821
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: one of the articles written about me saying that I

822
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: was sleeping on my AA sponsor's couch because I was

823
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: so scared of the drink and I had never been

824
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: to AA. It's like, wait, what's happening right now? And

825
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: then you get advised, oh, don't fight this, don't waste

826
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: your money suing because today's paper is.

827
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's cat litter lining.

828
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: And so you go throughout your life being written about

829
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 2: so poorly and it's incredibly hurtful and.

830
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: You don't fight back.

831
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: And I'm definitely in my era of fighting back, that's

832
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: for sure. It started a little while ago, probably started

833
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: with cancer. Really when I said that's enough, it's enough

834
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: for me. I remember when I agreed to do the

835
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: nine O two and oh reboot. I wasn't even working yet.

836
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: I was because I was still dealing with you know,

837
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: cancer coming back and cancer coming back at stage four.

838
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: So everybody else started work way before me. But it

839
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: was all about the writers being miserable, and they kind

840
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: of blamed it on me, and I did a post

841
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 2: saying this is why it was so hard for me

842
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: to agree to do another nine O two and zero,

843
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: because for some reason, these trashy writers seem to think

844
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: that it opens the door to more lies about me.

845
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna like I'm not tolerating the narrative anymore.

846
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: I tolerated it my entire life and I'm so friggin'

847
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: done with it.

848
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: So done.

849
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 2: Like again in my post about in touch, Bryce, and

850
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: I will sue you like I will. I am no

851
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: longer the girl who's scared, no longer the girl who

852
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: believes that it's cat litter. It lives on the internet forever,

853
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: and if it's not true, I'm gonna sue or I'm

854
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: gonna call you out on my Instagram or whatever. And

855
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: God forbid one word about you or my brother oof oof,

856
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: that would be hell for everyone.

857
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: Anyway.

858
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: Okay, you guys, I'm so sorry that we have literally

859
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: jumped all over the place, and all I can say

860
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: is that I wish I had actually made this podcast

861
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: a duo because I'm really enjoying the episodes with my

862
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: mom and talking about everything, so you can bet on

863
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: the fact that she's going to be here a lot more.

864
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: And it's not a threat. Mom, I promise you enjoy it.

865
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: It's good party.

866
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: But I always what you were saying, though I always

867
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: want people do it is always like it's always you

868
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: tried to take the higher road. But there will be

869
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: times in your life when you're trying to take the

870
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: higher road, but someone's constantly pushing you off, and you're

871
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: going to have to stand strong and stand up for yourself, right,

872
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: And I'm appreciated that you think you doing that.

873
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: I appreciate that A lot of my followers are like,

874
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: you should not even engage in this stuff.

875
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: You're sick.

876
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: You need to focus, and I get that, and I

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Speaker 2: thank you guys for your comments and your support and

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Speaker 2: your opinions. But on the other hand, you have to

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Speaker 2: understand when this has been happening to you your entire life,

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Speaker 2: and you're fighting for your life and you're trying to

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Speaker 2: do good for the world, You're trying to be honest,

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Speaker 2: You're putting yourself out there. I think it would be

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Speaker 2: worse for my health if I just let it go,

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Speaker 2: because I would beat myself up about it. I would say, wow, Shannon,

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Speaker 2: you're you know, you're being a wooss and you're not

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Speaker 2: defending yourself, and everybody just comes away with this narrative

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Speaker 2: view that isn't true when all I'm really trying to

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Speaker 2: show all of you is who I really am, like

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Speaker 2: who I've always been, and who I am deep down.

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Speaker 2: So for me to say, for me to call someone

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Speaker 2: out is actually really brave and courageous because I haven't

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Speaker 2: had that bravery and courage.

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Speaker 3: And then I know the decision process that goes through

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Speaker 3: your head before you do that. You don't do it irresponsibly.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not anyway, thank you guys for listening to

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Speaker 2: Let's be clear with Shannon Doherty and mom A Rosa.

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Speaker 3: Thank you everybody so appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I hope you enjoyed this episode because I did.

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Speaker 1: Bife