WEBVTT - Ep. 3: Aubrey Marcus 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:07.320 Hey, everybody, welcome to episode number three of the Hunting Collective, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.520 Coming you back home in Austin, Texas. I know. Number 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.960 one we were in Mexico with Stephen. Now number two 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.200 we were in Salt Lake City for the Western Hunting 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.640 expot with our boy Ryan Callahan. Uh. Two great episodes 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.040 of great conversations. Number three, we're back home here in Austin, Texas, 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.560 and we're joined by Aubrey Marcus. UM. If you're just 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.479 a hunting fan, if you're a guy that's listening to 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:33.479 this connected in the hunting industry, you may not know 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.199 who Aubrey Marcus is. You may never heard of his 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.159 company on It, of which he is the CEO, and 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.919 you may have never heard the term total human optimization. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.600 I don't think any of that matters for this conversation, because, 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:53.080 as you'll find, Aubrey Marcus is philosopher, he is a 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:58.480 deep thinker. He's a man who practices psychedelics to better 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:03.680 his life, not to just get the high. And he's 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.399 one of the more successful people you've ever meet, both spiritually, 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:12.480 personally and professionally. He just is emanates success. He is 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.520 uh someone that I greatly admire, not only for what 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.520 he does and his visit, how he speaks. UM. You 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.880 can find him, of course on the Aubrey Markets podcasts. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.440 They tell me there's ten million downloads on that thing 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.840 on iTunes, which is crazy. Um. He just released his 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.959 own book was published by Arburak Collins, Owned The Day, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.880 Own Your Life, just about optimizing your daily life and 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.399 getting back to being better. And just to say this, 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.280 there wasn't some arrangement here with Aubrey and I where 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.280 I would have him on the podcast just to promote 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.800 the book, as is the general parlance for UM appearances 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.240 and stuff like this. I've hunted with Aubrey a couple 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.000 of different times, UM Bear hunted in Alberta. Most recently, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.960 as you'll hear in the podcast. We had a great time. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.160 Were connected. He's just a great dude. So when I 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.040 was thinking about who I'm going to get with to 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.480 continue this awesome conversation about hunting that we've been having, 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.960 I thought, what a different mind, what a person to 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.480 explore this with that Aubrey Marcus is. So that's what 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.280 I did. I shot him a text I said, dude, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.519 can I come over? Um too? On it which is 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.640 headquarters in Austin, Texas and just hang with you and 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.840 have a conversation about what what you do and what 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.880 you think and open up a little bit of the 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.240 doors of hunting for Aubrey and let you guys in 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.399 on on what he thinks. And so that's what we did. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.160 That's what we did. I know this is a long 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.760 winded way of saying, welcome to podcast number three, But anyway, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:56.120 welcome to podcast number three. Enjoy Aubrey Marcus. What's up man? 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.200 What's up that he's living the dream? I don't know. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.839 Everybody says that, but no, but you actually might be. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.320 Maybe I think you might be too. I might be. 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.399 I might be. Listen. I don't want to get into 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.920 aren't we though. If we're not, then then then we 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.119 should be. Well let's figure out. Let's yeah, let's figure 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:13.720 out if we're not currently living the dream, how we 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.120 can get there before this hour and this hour glass 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.280 is over. I don't want to get into like, hey, 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.639 tell us about yourself. I would I would much prefer 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.440 you tell me about the time we went bear hunting 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:28.000 and you had experience with a bear, the psychedelic experience 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.400 where a bear spoke to you. Am I right? Remember that, right, Well, yeah, 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.720 I mean I've had that experience. Happened multiple times, and 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.320 that wasn't actually during the hunting trip. That happened before 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.440 and uh yeah, right, so you had that experience and 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:41.760 that we were going bear hunting and there was a 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.520 little bit of a like the interaction you were looking for. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:45.880 To tell me, I just wanted people to hear about that. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:48.800 I feel like that informs So yeah, one of the 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.320 first times I was doing ayahuasca. Um Aahuasca is a 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.480 South American plant concoction that combines a vine, the actual 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:00.680 ayahuasca vine, with some d M T containing leaves like 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.560 chakruna or ope yah he or wambisas these very rich 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.200 green leaves from the rainforest, and they pound out the 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.400 vine and they brew it into this tea and it 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.040 becomes very psychoactive, psychedelic, and they used it in a 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.160 lot of their healing practices. Apologies to those of you 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.080 who know what I wask is, but that's a little 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.320 bit of the background. So I've gone down there and 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.120 participated in some of those indigenous ceremonies and you what 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.160 seems to it seems like you have contact with other entities, 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.400 other visions that come and maybe these come from your 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.679 own mind, or maybe these come from somewhere else, doesn't 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.320 really matter, because they're very instructional and educational and very 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.160 profound on your life. And one of the visions with 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:44.680 a bear, um happened like a rookie. John Dudley, John 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:56.000 Dudley should the podcast John Dudley, Hey on podcasts on 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.160 podcast with Aubrey Marcus right now where you're interrupting. What's 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:04.320 up John? Hey? Brother much man? What are you doing 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:12.000 right now? I'm driving back from Oklahoma from That's what 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.080 we call hunting us. But John Dudley goes out, it's 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:19.960 a you just so accurate. Yeah, it's no longer hunting. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:24.480 It's killing, it's killing everybody. Well, um, we just want 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.480 to say hi, and I'll call you back later and 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.560 uh we'll talk him. We'll talk, all right. Thanks for 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.080 You're welcome, brother, You're welcome, man. Yeah, look forward to 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:40.839 catching up with you. Are you good? I was gonna 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.080 have a special guest. We had that my first time 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:50.280 that you. That's lucky. I like that especially it's John Dudley. Dudley. Ah. Yeah, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:54.120 So anyways, I'm in this visionary state and I get 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:59.479 this image of a bear, and the bear is like 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.680 weighted down with all these gold chains in a crown, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.640 and he's like wrestling against it, and he's like trying 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.200 to move, but he's just like he's covered in chains, 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.920 like more than Mr T, like way more than Mr T. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.120 Just chains weighing him down all over the place, and 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:16.880 he's trying to move and trying to run, but he 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.359 can't because the gold is so heavy. And I'm watching 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.280 him do this, and he looks at me, the bear 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.599 in my vision, and goes, you know, I remember before 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.960 I had all these gold chains in this crown, when 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.760 I used to be able to run free, just like 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.479 a bear. And then instantly like flashed back to his 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.920 younger self, before he had all this wealth and accumulation 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.240 and status, and I'm the king bear when here's all 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.599 my wealth. And he was just charging through the forest, 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.159 and then I was like became like one of the 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.560 bears and we were like charging through the forest together, 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.080 and it was this really cool like visual representation and 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.320 reminder of you know, a bear really stores all of 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.880 his wealth on himself. It's free to roam and rub 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.560 trees and chase things down and fight and fuck and 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.960 do all the things. It has no attachments to anything, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.360 and then it just goes to sleep and wears it off. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.200 Whereas in that image, when the bear started to become 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.760 more like a human and where his wealth externally, then 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.760 it actually slowed him down. It actually prevented him from 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.880 being what he really was at his core, which is 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.840 an animal that liked to roam and like to be free. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.360 And you know, it's very much an analogy for what 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.960 we humans do to ourselves, tied to our houses and 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.160 cars and possessions and wealth, and always concerned about this 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.440 or that and our status and are we king or 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.280 are we not king? Whatever, all of this nonsense that 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.320 prevents us from actually being the human organism that we are. Yeah, now, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:45.960 I found that when you remember you telling me that 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.840 on the drive up to camp, and the goal was 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.320 maybe not to like face down a bear and figure 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.120 all that out, but that was your You had that 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.720 you know, psychedelic relationship with a bear. That that it 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.600 struck me as that I would never encounter someone in 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.480 the hunting you need that would have that that relationship 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.720 or at least mental acuity to be like I have 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.120 this relationship with the bear it's like a delicate It 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.120 came in a different world that I you know, I 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.280 took ayawaskin then I experienced that. So I always thought, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.480 how different your perspectives are based on who you are 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.880 and what you do and the experiences that you've had 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.600 that very few people that I've met, you know, outside 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.400 of Yeah, I mean I have a deep connection with 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.680 with that animal and the symbolism of that animal. I mean, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.960 you can track it back to some of the druid 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.760 lore where you know, the druid name for bears art 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:34.320 and that was you know, Arthur is like the bear king. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.560 You know, it's like it's a symbol of kind of 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.000 they're the king of the forest in that way, just 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.800 as the lion might be the king of the jungle 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.760 lines and lines aren't even in jungles. That's a weird saying, right, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.800 that's a movie that we can but you know, so 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.440 there's from that saying to this other I I you know, 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.600 I bought a ranch at the foot of Bear Mountain. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.640 It's like this animal that just keeps coming up in 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.320 multiple ways. But I hadn't had any visceral experience ants 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.240 with the bear. So I went and you know, prepared 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.400 to hunt one. But I knew that if that bear, 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.320 if the bear was coming, you know, it would show 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.760 itself and I would know that was the one that 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.720 was the one um And you know, I was calling 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.360 out and seeing if that was going to be the 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.200 time where I would have that you know, hunting death 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.320 experience where I'd actually be able to consume the flesh 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.880 of that bear. But that bear didn't appear. I had 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.600 you know, young sALS and um you know, different different 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.960 other bears. Nothing actually came that I could take a 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.680 shot at. But it was still an awesome experience because 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.840 I'm there in the woods and you know, in some 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.040 cases ten feet away from bears, and you get to 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:43.040 see their curious little personalities and this how natural they 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.839 are um as an animal and got to understand them. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.600 So while I didn't get to kill and consume one 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.040 in the same way like, that experience was still incredibly 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.240 awesome for me. Well and you still and you get 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.320 to learn a bit of natural history of the animal. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.280 I don't know about what it ate, where it lived, it, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.440 did you what it's what it's what it was like, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.480 only like really observing it and being super quiet and 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.400 being super focused and like being completely in tune with 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.079 your surroundings. I mean, that's the awesome thing about it. 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.640 You're on the ground with bears and there's other gnarly 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.120 bears around there, and you know like you have to 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.000 kind of be you have to kind of be focused. Well, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.640 that's the thing about bears, especially is it black bears 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:30.480 where we were in Alberta. Um, those bears are for 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.800 all intense purchases docile like they they give off the 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.960 emote this like docile nature, and when you're you're ten 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.760 feet away from him, you're not. I don't know what 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.560 your experience was, but my experience wasn't too immediately narrow 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.280 back and be defensive. It was to be aware, like 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.280 to be where it was there. But but also at 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.800 the same time, you know, not we go running hide 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.080 and crawling the tree. Um. I found that to be. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.400 But you also understand you're at the mercy of the 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.320 nature that bear. If that bear decides it wants to 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.320 rip your face off, it has every ability to do it, 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.640 and there's not a lot that point you can do 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.240 about it, so that the unpredictable nature of that animal 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.280 still exists even though you feel like you're in this quiet, 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.520 serene observation mode. You can never switch off that your 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.840 own animal mode. I know, yeah, because when those bears 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.959 start creeping towards you, you know, you don't want to 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.640 show fear right, like you want to just like check 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.920 them a little bit, like hey, you know yeah, and 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.520 then they go like, hey, y oh, no nothing, I 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:31.280 was just I was just exploring. But that's one thing 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.679 like in in the podcast that that I've tried to 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.400 put out there the first couple that we've done. The 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.280 most feedback I've got is the conversation of value systems 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.839 going into hunting, like how we value the animal. I 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.160 think we all anybody that goes hunting UM. We'll talk 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:47.760 a little bit more about your history in it and 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.280 then kind of what you want to do in the future, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.520 But anybody that goes hunting a signs of value to 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.720 the animal with they're hunting UM. And we discussed, like 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.559 in the hunting bubble, what that looks like. Maybe it's 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.400 not always the best value. We may outwardly value the animal, 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.360 but internally we may fetishize its antlers or you know, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.360 some part of it that isn't That isn't the nature 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.120 of hunting in and of itself. When you in that 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.240 experience that any other hunt you've been on, how do 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.120 you find that you explain the value of that animal 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.000 as you go. I mean it's a good that psychedelic 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.600 experience in the relationship. I think maybe touches on that 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.200 a little bit. But is there a deeper Yeah, I 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.960 mean I don't think I ever appreciated meat until I 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:29.400 went hunting, you know, like as conscious quotation marks as 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.880 I try to be, and as spiritually in tune as 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.200 I try to be. You know, I ate cheeseburgers with 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.880 fucking impunity. You know I ate steaks and tenderloins with 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.199 fucking impunity. You know, this was just meat. I hadn't 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.280 been part of the slaughtering process. I hadn't been part 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.920 of the hunting process, and you know, I had obviously 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.280 an understanding like, all right, this food came from an animal. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.160 I'm not deluding myself. But I didn't really get it 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.080 until you know, I went and hunted my first you know, 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:57.920 black buck. It was a black buck though, that was 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:03.400 the first animal that I successfully hunted, and that just 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:08.720 recalibrated everything. And it was really interesting because you know, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.160 for me, that act you know, I've been part of 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.600 Native American spirituality, South American spirituality, where hunting is kind 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.079 of part of It's just part of life, and there 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.800 is no distinction between your spiritual life and your hunting 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.839 life and your sex life and all of this. It's 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.760 all just kind of woven together. And so for me, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:26.400 you know, I did my best. You know, it was 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.800 hunting with a rifle. At that point, I wasn't um 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.120 adept enough of the bow to try and take one out, 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.319 so you know, before we went out, I said a 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.880 little prayer over the gun and over the bullets so 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.640 that the you know, it would be accurate and swift, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:43.640 and you know, then went out and UM, finally, at 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.840 the end of a really long day, found a dough 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.400 and UM took the shot. It was clean, and then 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.600 came and you know, ran over and and it was 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.160 still alive. And I had a small pocket knife that 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.400 my uncle gave me, not pocket knife, like a holstered 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.360 sheath knife, and UM, you know, kind of put my 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.400 hand over it and put the knife through its heart 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.560 to kill it. And at that moment, there was just 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:13.240 nothing but this feeling of just profound gratitude, like some 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.880 of the most you know, and I said another little 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.120 prayer there of thank you to the animal. But this 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.200 this profound love for that animal, and that's something I 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.720 think that non hunters would never understand. And like, at 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.200 that moment, it's probably the most I've ever loved an 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.080 animal that wasn't like my dog or something like that. Like, 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.280 I've never loved an animal more than that moment as 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.200 I had my hands on its still warm body, and 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.920 it was just this radical expression of gratitude, and that 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.640 was just a total game changing, paradigm shifting moment for me. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.640 It was like, holy shit, this animal that was once 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.400 alive that I was walking watching track down the things, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.120 it's now died and it's now going to feed me, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.240 you know. And right now, even now, it's skin is 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.200 underneath my alter at home, and every day that I 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.520 go into meditate, you know, I like handles on it 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.720 and I see it and you know, the meats long gone, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.200 but um, but it's still there with me in that moment, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.760 even more importantly, it's still there. But it wasn't even 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.120 just that moment of that profound love and gratitude for 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.520 the animal. It was the process of skinning it and 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.760 then quartering it and then feeling like, oh, I understand 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.960 why you know why these different parts are softer than 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.440 these muscles. Why the haunters are harder because they're the 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.280 muscles that are more sinuy used for climbing and running. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.440 And why the tenderloin softer because that muscle is only 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.600 used for quick cuts and it doesn't get used all 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.320 the time. And you know how the backstrap is another 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.560 one of those muscles that like every different part like 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.760 you get it, and then so like when I ordered 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.080 those parts, I'm like, oh, no, I know even if 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.000 it's a cow, like I get it, I get part 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.800 of the animal this is from. And man, it's like, 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.960 I think it should be like a fucking pre prerequisite 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.120 that you should have, like a mere eating license and 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.320 your meat eating license. You have to hunt and and 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.720 fucking butcherself. I said, what if you had to? You 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.800 had if you want to have a steak, you had 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.040 to go down to your local butcher shop or some 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.800 factory farm and take a nailgun and black a cow 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.000 in the head. You had to You had to then 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.840 gut the cow, pull its guts out, butcher it, pack 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.840 it up, ship it out, and then once you're done that, 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.160 They're like, thanks, you past the class, past little test. 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.320 If you get a little laminated car that says you 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.200 can have steak now. And then you go to the 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:23.960 store and they're like, sir, I'd like to see your license, 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.160 Like you want that ribby, I'd like to see your license, 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.240 And you're like, okay, well here's my cow license. I 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.760 don't have my chicken license yet, but I'm working on it. Yeah. Man, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.960 that's what hunting is like. It's like getting your deer license. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.960 It's like understanding now that that that this piece of 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.720 venison is something more than that. And the other thing 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.440 I would you know that strikes me from what you 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.360 were just saying, is that when something dies that you 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.800 love and you appreciate, you feel gratitude. Right, it's one 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.480 of your family members dies, or your dog dies, or 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.920 just anything leaves the earth that you appreciate and love 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.800 and have a relationship with, you feel gratitude and so 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.320 or oh, and you know, there's a lot of emotions 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.080 that go with that. I don't everybody doesn't have the 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.760 same ones. But I think one thing we've never discusses 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.480 as hunters is that those emotions are natural, because that's 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.760 something that has just left the earth and by your 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.440 hand that you you went out into the woods. You 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.800 didn't put that deer there, but you took it away. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.440 And appreciation is one of the things. You feel gratitude 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.800 when somebody dies that you love. Yeah, and I think 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.920 maybe there's an impulse to kind of hurry through those emotions. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.080 And it's like, you're not tough for a real hunter 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.920 if you you want to be like those action heroes 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.720 you know that kill somebody and have some witty one 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.840 liner and a blase smile or something, you know, but like, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.359 I think it's cool to take that moment. You know, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.960 take your moment, do you like maybe if that is 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.399 you and the first thing your instinct is is for 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.240 the chocolate or whatever, and that's your authentic expression whatever, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.080 I'm not going to judge that, but like, don't feel 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.000 compelled to play a role. Don't play like the badass 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:58.800 hunter guy. Like, if you want to take a moment 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.800 and cry at year or two, like, do it, you know, 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.760 and if you're with somebody who wants to do that, 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.399 don't make him feel like you for doing it. You know, 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.480 Like to allow people to have this experience in their 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.919 most authentic way and know that you know, there's no 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.440 one way that makes you better or worse for doing that, 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:20.240 like have that, you know, have that experience, you feel 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.280 you have different feelings now and you eat a steak 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.040 or you eat chicken or just you know, I can forget, 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.760 you know, like I can certainly like eat a chicken 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.119 tender and dip it in ranch and buffalo and not 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.240 think at all about the chicken, probably because I don't 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:34.960 have my chicken license. I need to get my chicken. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:37.760 But it's true though, even what you said about your 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.199 cow license, like it would probably be better for me 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.919 if I did butcher a cow, you know, because I 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.439 certainly d percent of the time if I go to 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.040 like Lonesome Dove and to get the venis into the 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.800 elk or something like that, that's like I get it. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:52.919 I understand what I'm eating, and it's there's like a 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.480 much deeper appreciation. But and cows, I'll try to get there, 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.600 but I sometimes just slip up, and sometimes it's just 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.960 to stay, and sometimes it's just a cheeseburger, and sometimes 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.000 it's just a sausage and um, And so I think 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:10.600 it would be healthy for me physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.520 if I hunted more and I just need to make 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:15.399 the time to do that, like that is a that 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.159 is a personal practice that would assist my you know, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.399 evolution as a human being. And I would you know, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.440 dare to say probably all the different animals that I eat, 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.119 you know, from fishing, you know, and actually cleaning the fish. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.480 That's something I haven't really done. It usually catch the 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.440 fish and bring them somewhere and then they get clean 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.080 and then they get fished. That's not the whole thing. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.200 That's just pulling and reeling. Like you gotta go through 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.159 the whole process. You cannot rob yourself of that, of 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.800 that experience. There would be a lot of licenses you 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.000 gotta get. I mean, it would be it would take 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:48.800 you a while. Yeah, I mean I have got that 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.840 with the like spear fishing, you know, spear fishing, I've 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:53.480 gone and done the whole deal. Like I did that 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.440 in Hawaii. And that's even to me. I I love, 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.480 you know, we have some guys that at work there 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.359 that delivered two mistakes every once in a while. I 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.000 love this town mistake and it's one of the most 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.679 delicious things I've ever eat. But I don't have I 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.520 feel weird. I feel in my home, I'm always eating 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.480 something that I pull out of the freezer around me. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.120 Look at the Look at the vacuum seal pact. Oh cool, 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.520 access to your Hawaii nine seventeen perfect, Remember really quick. 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:20.920 I remember that time when I missed eight of them 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.480 and then I shot this one and I was excited, 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.679 and you remember that. So like, I feel like in 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.800