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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to episode number three of the Hunting Collective,

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Speaker 1: Coming you back home in Austin, Texas. I know. Number

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Speaker 1: one we were in Mexico with Stephen. Now number two

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Speaker 1: we were in Salt Lake City for the Western Hunting

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Speaker 1: expot with our boy Ryan Callahan. Uh. Two great episodes

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Speaker 1: of great conversations. Number three, we're back home here in Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 1: and we're joined by Aubrey Marcus. UM. If you're just

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Speaker 1: a hunting fan, if you're a guy that's listening to

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Speaker 1: this connected in the hunting industry, you may not know

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Speaker 1: who Aubrey Marcus is. You may never heard of his

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Speaker 1: company on It, of which he is the CEO, and

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Speaker 1: you may have never heard the term total human optimization.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of that matters for this conversation, because,

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Speaker 1: as you'll find, Aubrey Marcus is philosopher, he is a

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Speaker 1: deep thinker. He's a man who practices psychedelics to better

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Speaker 1: his life, not to just get the high. And he's

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Speaker 1: one of the more successful people you've ever meet, both spiritually,

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Speaker 1: personally and professionally. He just is emanates success. He is

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Speaker 1: uh someone that I greatly admire, not only for what

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Speaker 1: he does and his visit, how he speaks. UM. You

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Speaker 1: can find him, of course on the Aubrey Markets podcasts.

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Speaker 1: They tell me there's ten million downloads on that thing

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Speaker 1: on iTunes, which is crazy. Um. He just released his

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Speaker 1: own book was published by Arburak Collins, Owned The Day,

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Speaker 1: Own Your Life, just about optimizing your daily life and

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Speaker 1: getting back to being better. And just to say this,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't some arrangement here with Aubrey and I where

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Speaker 1: the book, as is the general parlance for UM appearances

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Speaker 1: and stuff like this. I've hunted with Aubrey a couple

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Speaker 1: of different times, UM Bear hunted in Alberta. Most recently,

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Speaker 1: as you'll hear in the podcast. We had a great time.

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Speaker 1: Were connected. He's just a great dude. So when I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about who I'm going to get with to

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Speaker 1: continue this awesome conversation about hunting that we've been having,

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Speaker 1: I thought, what a different mind, what a person to

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Speaker 1: explore this with that Aubrey Marcus is. So that's what

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Speaker 1: I did. I shot him a text I said, dude,

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Speaker 1: can I come over? Um too? On it which is

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Speaker 1: have a conversation about what what you do and what

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Speaker 1: you think and open up a little bit of the

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Speaker 1: doors of hunting for Aubrey and let you guys in

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Speaker 1: on on what he thinks. And so that's what we did.

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Speaker 1: That's what we did. I know this is a long

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Speaker 1: winded way of saying, welcome to podcast number three, But anyway,

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Speaker 1: welcome to podcast number three. Enjoy Aubrey Marcus. What's up man?

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Speaker 1: What's up that he's living the dream? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Everybody says that, but no, but you actually might be.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I think you might be too. I might be.

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Speaker 1: I might be. Listen. I don't want to get into

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Speaker 1: aren't we though. If we're not, then then then we

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Speaker 1: should be. Well let's figure out. Let's yeah, let's figure

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Speaker 1: out if we're not currently living the dream, how we

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Speaker 1: is over. I don't want to get into like, hey,

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Speaker 1: tell us about yourself. I would I would much prefer

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Speaker 1: you tell me about the time we went bear hunting

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Speaker 1: and you had experience with a bear, the psychedelic experience

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Speaker 1: where a bear spoke to you. Am I right? Remember that, right, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've had that experience. Happened multiple times, and

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Speaker 1: that wasn't actually during the hunting trip. That happened before

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, right, so you had that experience and

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Speaker 1: To tell me, I just wanted people to hear about that.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that informs So yeah, one of the

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Speaker 1: first times I was doing ayahuasca. Um Aahuasca is a

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Speaker 1: becomes very psychoactive, psychedelic, and they used it in a

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Speaker 1: lot of their healing practices. Apologies to those of you

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Speaker 1: podcast with Aubrey Marcus right now where you're interrupting. What's

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Speaker 1: up John? Hey? Brother much man? What are you doing

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Speaker 1: It's killing, it's killing everybody. Well, um, we just want

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Speaker 1: uh we'll talk him. We'll talk, all right. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, brother, You're welcome, man. Yeah, look forward to

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Speaker 1: So anyways, I'm in this visionary state and I get

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Speaker 1: each other and see things about each other. And my fiance,

428
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: Whitney is a way better hunter than me, a lot

429
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: more experience and just like she's like a savant. It's

430
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: like she like most things and everything. She's like like

431
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: she's like just feels the heart of the animal and

432
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: just shoots like I've never seen anybody. I've been with

433
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 1: a lot of really good hunters, I've never seen anybody

434
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: that site and shoot faster. It's like, I mean, it's

435
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: like it's like a military operation, you know, Like like

436
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 1: like Tim Kennedy like seeing a fucking insurgent like that

437
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: kind of speed. It's just she just as soon as

438
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: the crosshairs hit across, like the gun goes off and

439
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: it's just shocking for everybody around. And she hits them

440
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: through the heart every time. And and anyways, like so

441
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: her and she's gone through the process a bunch and

442
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: she wants to take her girlfriends like through that process.

443
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: Most of them eat meat, but you know they're like hunting, ah,

444
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: you know. And she's like na, like na, bitch, Like

445
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta know this. You gotta feel what

446
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: this feels like. This is like, this is part of

447
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: being a human. This is like the this is the

448
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: antie to the game that you're playing. You know, you

449
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: don't have to be fucking world class you know, poker

450
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: player here, but you gotta you gotta antie up. Yeah, Well,

451
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: when what was the first time you had the urge

452
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: to go hunting? Because I know it wasn't well that

453
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: was as a kid, you know, but I was hunting,

454
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: not and I was hunting. I was just killing them.

455
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: That urged to kill is something that's like deep in us.

456
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: And my parents gave me carte blanche on the rabbits

457
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: and squirrels because they were garden ravaging little beasts, and

458
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: so they were like, yeah, take all them all as

459
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: you want. I had a bow then, and I would

460
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: be just trying all day, roaming around my ten acre property,

461
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: just looking to blast shoot the ears all rabbits, totally

462
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: man as savage, you know, and and those those moments

463
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 1: of I didn't even I hated actually when I shot it,

464
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: because then I had to go finish them, you know,

465
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: if it wasn't like a clean shot, and like that

466
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: was like this really shocking experience because I had no

467
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: purpose behind it, but the the art and the skill

468
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: of like trying to kill this thing with just a

469
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: string I hadn't I didn't even have sights on my bow,

470
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: so I was shooting instinctive so instinctive compound bow, and

471
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of roaming around and trying to catch

472
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: these things. I mean, that was something that was really

473
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: drawn to. But then when you actually do it and

474
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: the animals like squealing and you're like like a ten

475
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: year old, eleven year old kid, You're like stop yelling,

476
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, and you just try and find something to

477
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: to finish it off with. You know, that was definitely

478
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: a more traumatic experience than probably I was bargaining for.

479
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: But that impulse to hone those skills is I think

480
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: something that's in in eight and inborn in humans. And

481
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: I just wish i'd had someone who could, you know,

482
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: like me, if I had a kid, you know, I

483
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't just say, hey, kids, yeah, I go kill all

484
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: the things in our yard, like let's go do that,

485
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: like I would, you know, try to show them that

486
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: the right way so they could harness that impulse in

487
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 1: a more productive way. And you took a break from

488
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: hunting for a stretch. Yeah, so I well, I went,

489
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: I went from killing, and then I did I did

490
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: some bird like some bird hunting. That was probably the

491
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: most consistent hunting. I would go see um, a family

492
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: friend out in Maryland and he had a lodge me

493
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: to hunt some ducks and pheasants and stuff like that.

494
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: So I did some bird hunting. Um, but it was

495
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: a long time before I went back to, uh, you

496
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: know anything with fur um and fishing was consistent and

497
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: uh but yeah, that was you know, it was only

498
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: five four or five years ago that I had my

499
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: first hunt. And then I went bear hunting with you guys,

500
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: and I haven't been back, and it's not from lack

501
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: of desire, it's just from you know, lack of prioritization.

502
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: I also haven't set foot on a golf course in

503
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: two years too. Both of those things i'd really like

504
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: to remedy going on. Yeah I do, I do, but man,

505
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm like super eager to get back. The only thing

506
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: that scratched the itch, which I'd love is spear fishing.

507
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: Spear fishing is like snorkeling and hunting. Had a baby

508
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: you've never ever done? Oh my god, going to Hawaiian

509
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: like two months and I've got to do it. It's

510
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: the It's like the best of both of those things.

511
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm done. It's it's incredible. I mean, there's there's the

512
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: gun one and the gun one's dope, but you know,

513
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: it takes like a super long time to reload, and

514
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of tricky because you got these these cords

515
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: and whatever, and if you really your aim is shitty underwater. Um,

516
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: I like to just a long pole where you just

517
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: pull the rubber band back and let it go, because

518
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: then you can just keep keep keep blasting. Yeah. I've

519
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: got a lot of friends that do it. A lot

520
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: of guys in Hawaii. I know they're surfers that just

521
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: live all that stuff, the stories in the way that

522
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: they find fish and laying on the bottom looking like

523
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: coral and and you know, having fish swim right up

524
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: to you to pop up. I mean, that's that's hunting.

525
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: It's incredible and you've got to have really great control

526
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: of your breath. Yeah, you know, I'm so excited. Look

527
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: at this assholes trying to kill He's like gaff choking

528
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: and hearts pounding and like a hundred beats from I'm

529
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: not like a great Now I'm doing what We're going

530
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: to Lanai in a couple of months here, and uh,

531
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to get it loose there and just learn.

532
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: There's something I saw in Instagram, which if I was

533
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: if I had a trip plant, I would look into.

534
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: It's called the c archer sling, and it's basically like

535
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: a bow version of a spear gun. So you like

536
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: pull it back and you shoot it like a bow

537
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna take you back to when you were

538
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: a kid chase it. So now there's a purpose because

539
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: every time I've gone spear fishing, I've eaten that animal

540
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: within you know, the next three hours what a better

541
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: And that's I think that's the difference. I was talking

542
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: to something about meat and and you know, like hunting

543
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: an unglid or an animal and then fishing fishing. The

544
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: concept is eat it as soon as possible. Yeah, get

545
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: it out of that get it out of that fish,

546
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: filet it, chop it up, eat it raw, cook it whatever.

547
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: But the sooner or the better. And with meat, if

548
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: you're doing it right, the idea is let that thing age,

549
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: let it hang, you know, weeks if you can, let

550
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: some mold girl on the outside of it, chop that

551
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: off and eat it um. And I always found that

552
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: to be just a whole different world, especially spear fishing.

553
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: You shoot a thing and you want to get it

554
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: on the boat, take it back and eat it roll.

555
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the That's what kind of different

556
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: connection is that. I mean, that's yeah, literally eating anything wrong,

557
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: which I hope nobody out there is doing that with deer,

558
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: but you could, good little dear, little dear tartar, little

559
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: deer tartar, make it a little bit. But the reef

560
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: fish that you actually get access to too, a lot

561
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: of them don't take hooks, so you get some really

562
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: interesting flavors like parrot. Fish are like tastes like lobster.

563
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: It's like amazing, and you can they don't you know,

564
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: they like suck the coral off rocks. So and you

565
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: have to be careful. There's some like reef born fish

566
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: illnesses you can get, but in general, Um, I've had

567
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: no issues. And it's just been an epic experience. Well

568
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: for me hunting, you know, I grew up hunting, but

569
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: then later on just kind of getting a closer you know,

570
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: relationship with Honey. It drove me to do things like

571
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: garden and get chickens. And one half is you know,

572
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: innate desire to go spear fishing because of the way

573
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it's parallel to hunting. So, I mean,

574
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: I feel like Honey has led me down a path

575
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: of sustainability just in seeing like we're talking about going

576
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: home and having that option in your house to open

577
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: the fridge and pull out something that means something to you. Um,

578
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: you want to replicate that, So I guess, Um, now

579
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: we've covered your your history with hunting. I would ask

580
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: you you've done a lot of stuff. I mean, you've

581
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: you've had You've traveled to countless South South American villages

582
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: and had countless experiences with tribal leaders, and you've written

583
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: a book. I'm looking at it right now on the

584
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: day in your life. I mean, you've kind of become

585
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: this and I've enjoyed Washington since I've known you, just

586
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: this voice for reason, but also just clarity and vision

587
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: and just to me, the pragmatism in which you approach

588
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: giving people advice is is is What's It's not shocking,

589
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: but in a way it is. I Mean most people

590
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: I find that give advice give it, you know, with

591
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: some slant of personal, um, you know, the personal They

592
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: want to get something from you. But I've found that

593
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: just reading your stuff and falling along that it's it's

594
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: not that for you. It's it's just wanting to better

595
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: people's lives and and explaining your own mind so you

596
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: can help other people's expand that. So you know, you've hunted,

597
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: you've had this experience, and you've gone and done anything.

598
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: What are the things that you experienced in your life

599
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: that would maybe put a different shine on hunting? As

600
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: you know it like that your motivation to go do it,

601
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: what you get from it, you know, how has it

602
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: been rounded out in a way I think to understand

603
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: what and what is an animal? Like what are we

604
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: and what are animals? And how what are the differences,

605
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, like and not to romanticize. I think, like

606
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: you get caught in two camps. One is like this

607
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: romantization of like, oh life is life so precious you

608
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: can't touch it and whatever? You know, Like that's not

609
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: the game, you know, that's not that's not in the

610
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: natural order. That doesn't abide by truth. But what also

611
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: doesn't abide by truth is just killing for no reason.

612
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: Killing is a big deal whatever, you know. So it's

613
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: finding that middle ground between like who we are and

614
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: what these animals are and really understanding that we're all

615
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: part of. In my understanding, you know, it's a lot

616
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: of the spiritual practices that I've done. We're all part

617
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: of the same substrate, you know, and you can call

618
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: that substrate the universe, you can call that substrate energy,

619
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: you can call that substrate God. You know, we're all

620
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: part of this God experience unfolding, this life experience unfolding,

621
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: this universe experience unfolding. And there's many different ways that

622
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: it manifests that manifits and concrete things and kind of

623
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: rock energy, which is still atomic structures that are moving constantly.

624
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: We think of rocks as an animate they're moving, they're

625
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: just not alive. And then there's the life things. But

626
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: then there's things like insects, which are basically like moving rocks.

627
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: They don't really have free will. Like you take a

628
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: digger wasp and you can get it to do the

629
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: same thing over and over again by tricking its environment,

630
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: right that it's not like a conscious creature. They're like

631
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: little robots. They're live, but they're like mostly like little

632
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: robots that will continue to do the same thing. And

633
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: how perfect because they're like the garbage disposals of the earth,

634
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: Like they need to run like robots. They can't just

635
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: decide like not sucking. I'm not into garbage today, you know,

636
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: like if the flies decided they didn't, yeh, nope, I'm

637
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: going to flowers. The bees are killing. It is the

638
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: most serious. You can't have that if you're a bug,

639
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, So that all right, understanding that these are

640
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: creatures with like less free will somewhere between a rock

641
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: and a human, you know, like the structures there, the

642
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: movements there but that kind of and then and then

643
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: just kind of figuring it out, figuring out what these

644
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, the sentience, the will, the personality of these

645
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: beings and what that really means, you know, and who

646
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: they are like who they are, what they are, and

647
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: then having respect for that and knowing knowing going kind

648
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: of consciously into what you're doing, and knowing too. There's

649
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's this countless abundance of new new like

650
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: all life is precious, but each individual life really isn't

651
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 1: that precious because there's all kinds of other forms that

652
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: comes through. So it's like this weird paradox whereas like, yes,

653
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: is that dear absolutely precious, absolutely, but it's precious as

654
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: dear collectively. That one deer, you know, is precious, but

655
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: can be sacrificed to feed other things, and those are

656
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: part of the part of the life. And aren't those

657
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: the human spectrums? We have one side the animal rights

658
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: person who says that one dear is precious, that one

659
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: dear's life. I love that dear, that deer over there,

660
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: I love it. And then you've got a whole another

661
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: group of people that I tend to hang out with.

662
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: Let's say I love the idea of deer. They are

663
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: they play a part in this big old tapestry that

664
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: is nature, and I play a part with them. I

665
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: kill them to save them. And there's so much oxygen,

666
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many oxymorons build into those ideas

667
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: that I think I often wonder. I've been thinking this

668
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: a lot more lately. Is it impossible or is it

669
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: semi impossible to explain what hunting is to someone who's

670
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: never done it too accurately depict the complexity both of nature,

671
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: the natural world, our involvement in it, and then also

672
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: what the hunter, the historically the hunter has done for

673
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: that wildlife because bias just jumps in the way, like

674
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: bias jumps up. Well, first of all, it's really hard

675
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: to it is really hard to explain that. I mean,

676
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: go ahead and start with explaining the feeling of what

677
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: sabi and orgasm first, and try to explain that to

678
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: someone who's never second orgasms. You know, like you can't

679
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: explain some things that you haven't really experienced. But especially

680
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: with hunting, just bias becomes a monster. You know, your

681
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: idea of what it is is, and people, oh, I

682
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: could never do that bullshit, You could never do that

683
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: if you're hungry enough, if you're a kid, you know

684
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: your you know your mama bear and your kids looking

685
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: at you starving, and you have an opportunity to hunt

686
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: and feed it. I for damn sure, you know you

687
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: will be the first one out there, you know, whittling

688
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: a spear and trying to make that should happen. It's

689
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: just it's part of our nature. But with the abundance

690
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: that we have, we have the luxury of these choices.

691
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: But let's not get confused. You know, it's just the

692
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: luxury of choices that are even giving you that option,

693
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's a funny. It's a funny

694
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: world that we're just all together so fucking disconnected from everything,

695
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: from absolutely every aspect of what it is to be

696
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: this human primate, you know, from the camaraderie, from the sexuality,

697
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: from the social bonds, from the tribal bonds, from the

698
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: practices like the hunting and the gathering and cultivating from

699
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: your own garden. I mean, that's something too that I

700
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: think everybody should experience. Eat a vegetable that you watered

701
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: from a seed and pulled from the ground and washed

702
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: the dirt off of like, that's cool too. Yeah, well,

703
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: I always think like, what if somebody just erased your

704
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: mind and somebody said, here, okay, even with vegetable, because

705
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to do with me. You could

706
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: either grow it in the ground, playing it in the ground.

707
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: I'll give you the seed. I can provide the seed

708
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: to you, granted, and then water it, put it in

709
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: environment where it can thrive, grows out of the ground,

710
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: and then at a time where it's most rich and

711
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: ready to eat, you pluck it. You cut it up

712
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: and eat it. Like that seems pretty good, And she's like,

713
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: I would appreciate that thing more because I had to

714
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: work and I had to watch it and I had

715
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: to understand how it thrived and how it allowed me

716
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: to thrive. That seems pretty cool. Or what I'm gonna

717
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: do is I'm gonna build a maze, and in that

718
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: maze is gonna be lighting, and you go through a door.

719
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: The door will open automatically. You don't even have to

720
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: pull the door. You go through this and then there's

721
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: a maze of vegetables, but they're just in boxes and

722
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: they're all like the best kinds of vegetables, and there's

723
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: lighting on them and stuff and there's music playing. Then

724
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: you get a little a cart that's one wheels and

725
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: you push that around. You just pull shit out of

726
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: boxes and you put it into your thing. You take

727
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: it up, then you pay for it, you go home

728
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: and eat it. Like which one of those is better?

729
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: Like one of them's whole foods, one of them in

730
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: your backyard. Yeah, if you just erase everything, I would

731
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: probably just say, look, man, like the other one seems fake,

732
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: this one seems real inherently, I'm just gonna pick the

733
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: real one. Well, you you also, it's also just like

734
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: knowing the vegetable, like like you don't really know the

735
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: vegetable when it's already pre prepared, like and most people

736
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: don't even buy the vegetables that they have to cut.

737
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: You know, you go into whole Foods, you're getting you're

738
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: getting some white person to cut yours for you. That

739
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: a Whole Foods, there's like I don't have enough time

740
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: to cut. There's like Jackson in the back and you know,

741
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: Sarah cutting your cutting your vegetables for you, and and

742
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: they're like preparing it and you're paying exorbitant prices and

743
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: it just comes in this food form whereas you you

744
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: pull a zucchini from the ground, you see where the

745
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: stem is connected to that little nub on the end

746
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: that you cut off, and how that's feeding at nutrients,

747
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: and how it's growing in the soil, and how it's creating,

748
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, something that you're going to consume and it's

749
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: going to nourish your body. That's a different thing. You get,

750
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: Like I get like fired up when I'm cooking anything

751
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: that's from our garden, whether it's we have eggplants and

752
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: herbs or even man even if I'm making like a

753
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: cocktail and I'll go out and grab some mint and

754
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: muddle it up from our garden and like just drinking that,

755
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: you know, drinking that lime in tequila and mint or

756
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: whatever I decided to make, and like I'll have like

757
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: a little smile on my face, Like herbs from my garden.

758
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's actually probably the like that, that's probably

759
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: the time when I'm like the most like annoyingly proud.

760
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: It's like I always tell somebody's from our garden. You know.

761
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't brag about anything, you know, I don't brag

762
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: about ship, but my wife, like last even last night,

763
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: two nights ago, I cooked an axis backstrap and it

764
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: was like the most delicious, this best thing I've ever cooked.

765
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: If I could bottle up whatever the hell I did.

766
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: And then last night I was got home late. My

767
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: wife had cooked uh, the other part of the backstrap

768
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: in the oven as opposed to our trigger, and I

769
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: was offended. I was like, emotion I'm like, come on,

770
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: just turn the trigger on, you know what. That's going

771
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: to be good that way. It's not as good this way.

772
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: She looked at Me's like, calm down, don't get so emotional.

773
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, how to go to Hawaii for that?

774
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: Aren't not allowed to get emotional about that? I can't

775
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: just go back and get another one tomorrow. And so

776
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: I find that, you know, maybe I'm a little bit

777
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: of a dick when it comes when it comes to

778
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: my wild meat that I went and got, because that

779
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: there isn't it doesn't. I can't go out and and

780
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: get it presented to me in a nice lighted box

781
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: like it would be a whole Yeah, And it's it's

782
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: just that it's this a different thing. It's also it's

783
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: a showcase of your skill. It's a showcase of um,

784
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: there's something very primal about it that I think is

785
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: and I think it's important, But I think that one

786
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: of the biggest problems why everybody is so depressed and

787
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: anxious and funked up in general, if you look at,

788
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, the demographics of different people and the epidemics

789
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: of all of these different issues. We forgot how to

790
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: be humans, you know, we forgot how to sit around

791
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: next to each other and help prepare meals and laugh

792
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: and go hunting together and have these experiences that as

793
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: a human organism we're designed to have. And that's you know,

794
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: a lot of what I've tried to put in my

795
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: book is like how do we get back to the

796
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: blueprint of what we were supposed to do, because in

797
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: that blueprint we're going to thrive. And there's a lot

798
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: of practices that we can do that can mimic some

799
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: of these environments. Like part of the thing about a

800
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: hunt that's gonna be good is you're gonna get cold

801
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: at certain points, you know, maybe you're gonna get hot

802
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: at certain points. Maybe you're gonna have periods of fast

803
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: exertion and high high stress followed by super calm periods.

804
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: We have absolutely nothing to do but wait. And that's

805
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: what we're designed for. We're not designed for constant stress

806
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: all the time, a little bit of this, a little

807
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: bit of that, no rest, no break, we're designed for these.

808
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: So when we're not hunting, like, how do we mimic

809
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: that in in regular life? Like, how do we mimic

810
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: the experience of a hunt, you know, by going through

811
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: our day that way? Well, maybe it's a cold shower,

812
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: an ice bath, and maybe it's you know, a quick sprint,

813
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: and then some you know, steady state cardio or walking,

814
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: and like, how do we mimic these experiences that can

815
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: get us at least a little bit closer. But even

816
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: better than mimicking them is actually, hey, why don't we

817
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: just do them? Yeah? I have a real problem with depression.

818
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: After I come back from a long time outside. Sure,

819
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: I come back from some trips I've had this year,

820
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: will be ten days, fourteen days. You come back, and

821
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: my wife's like, I'm just gonna give you a couple

822
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: of days to switch it back, switching to switch that

823
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: dial back to regular, fella, get it back to like

824
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: stop being this, to looking around like looking for the

825
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: next you know, really looking for the next mental queue

826
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: to go do something, exert myself. I'm just like rodding along,

827
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: going when's the next hunt? And the thing is, without

828
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: the hunting experience, you would be just internalizing, bottling, compounding,

829
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: not even really understanding, like, man, why am I so bombed?

830
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: Why don't I have any energy? Why am I why

831
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: can't I get going? And because you just you don't

832
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: even know, you haven't even seen the other side, you know,

833
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: so you have nothing to compare it to. That's why

834
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: I think even podcasting is some kind of weird catharsis,

835
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: because you're just me and you sit down talking. Like

836
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: that door in your office here stays closed. Somebody walks in,

837
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: we'd be like, get out. If he calls back, Um,

838
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: he's got a special ring tone. But that kind of

839
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: thing to me, like this, it's it's rare. It's become

840
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: a rarity, which is sad. But in the same uh

841
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: and the same way. I was talking to somebody at

842
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: work the other day about the idea of vacation is

843
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: strange to me in some way after being a hunter,

844
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: like I would live my life in this Essentially, what

845
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: we're admitting to is not a perfect existence. The need

846
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: for vacation, you know, says to the says to the human, Hey,

847
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: the thing you're doing that's not a vacation, that's not

848
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: the optimal way that you live your life. So there's

849
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: this other thing out there that you go pursue that

850
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: shows you how great it could be. Well, you go

851
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: do that thing, and then you go back to your

852
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: shitty life and you're like, well that now it sucks here,

853
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: Like why would you leave your current and show what's better?

854
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Why not do the opposite? Why not go to a

855
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: place that's hard her so you appreciate where you are

856
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: every day. That makes sense, makes sense to me. And also,

857
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: like the way that we handle vacation now is the

858
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: only way to relieve stress. It's not the actual relieving

859
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: stress by doing something challenging and actually going out, like

860
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's just pound drinks, you know, you just

861
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: go vacation mode my brain liquid, Yeah, and just fucking

862
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: crush as many you know, get out of the pool

863
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: ship food, pull the lever on this machine and money

864
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: and it maybe a win something and then all right,

865
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: yeah maybe it maybe it bludgeons your consciousness enough that

866
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: you relieve enough stress for a moment, but then you

867
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: come back with the compounded damage that you've done in

868
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: the momentum and the exhaustion and you know, the frustration,

869
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and then you're just waiting for that next moment you

870
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: can bludge in yourself over the head with more booze

871
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: and to get out of this. Like, that's not that,

872
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: that's not the thing, man. You don't want to be

873
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: that dude at the end of your life and be like, man,

874
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: I wonder what it would have been like to go

875
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: on a trek across New Zealand on foot like I

876
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: did a recent psychedelic experience. I haven't actually talked about

877
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: this on any podcast, but I popped out of it

878
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: and I had this incredibly crystal clear vision of me

879
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: walking on foot through the Australian outback and I was like, damn,

880
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: like and I like knew I had to go. I

881
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: could see this trace back from my youth and my

882
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: fascination with Australia and the digre Do and you know,

883
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: Aboriginal culture and all of these different signs like oh fuck,

884
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: it's like I gotta go to fucking Australia. I was like,

885
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: all right, man, all right. So then there's that, and

886
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: then there's so at some point, now I know that

887
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be taking like and I think I found

888
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: the trailing. I'm gonna do the Larrapinta Trail, which is

889
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: like a twenty one mile hike through the through the

890
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: outback and see what's possible there. Maybe there's hunting available,

891
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's just camping and playing music or whatever. But

892
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: that experience, now, I'm like stoked for it, like I'm

893
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: looking for I get to do all kinds of awesome

894
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: ship I mean, great parties, superstar superstar athletes, you know,

895
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: beautiful girls, all those things. Like that's when we're most

896
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: When I'm most excited about. What I'm most excited about

897
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: is you know, it's gonna sound crazy, but I'm most

898
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: excited about that fucking that track where you just get

899
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: to like turn my phone off and just cruise through

900
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: a hot ass hot as middle of nowhere place and

901
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: just it just calls to me. You know. I think

902
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: that's part of the balance of life. It's not all

903
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: just like more and more. Yeah, if I had more money,

904
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: if I had more dope parties, if I had more

905
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: of this, Like that's no, that's not it. That's just

906
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: a place for that. Like I love that stuff, but

907
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: you can't just have that and then just have crushing

908
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: it at work, and then just have crushing it with

909
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: in this area, like everything needs to be in balance

910
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: and re human ng, like getting your fucking feet on

911
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: the earth and sleeping out into the stars. Man. I

912
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: went to Nepal be close to a year ago to

913
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: hunt blue sheet, and I you know, I described it

914
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: as a hunt, right, I say, I went hunting. I

915
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: didn't really go hunting like I thought I was going hunting.

916
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: I went there to hunt a sheep. But about a

917
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: third of the way through I could give two focks

918
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: about any sheep. I mean, I still knew I wanted

919
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: to kill a sheep, because that's the full breath of

920
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: the experience of what I was there to do. But

921
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: once I we land in this little village in the

922
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere and Duel in this little town called Dual.

923
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: They are, so it was like six days walk from

924
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: the nearest road, and we get into a room, you know,

925
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: half the size of your office here, and we're talking

926
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: to these people and they're translating their stories and we're

927
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: drinking their roxy moonshine out of a cup. There's a

928
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: goat standing in the corner of this stone hut and

929
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: there's a one year old baby lane on the ground

930
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: and you're looking around, thinking these people have nothing. And

931
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: the next morning you wake up and they're singing and

932
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: there's flute playing and there's yelling, like boisterous yelling, and

933
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: people are just this is like just beautiful sounds coming

934
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: from everywhere, and the sun's coming up with the mountain.

935
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: You're like, come on, man, did I not come here

936
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: for this? Like what I come here for that sheep

937
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: that's that's up the mountain there, or this thing which

938
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: is perspective on what we what it could be, or

939
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: what it is for other people. And that's that's what

940
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people miss specifically in the

941
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: world that this this podcast will speak to, just the

942
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: perspective of what's there on the ground that you miss

943
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: while you're thinking about that four elk or you know,

944
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: in your case, like what when's the right bear? I

945
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: think you're the way you came at that bear home

946
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: was perfect because you've experienced everything up until the moment

947
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: when it would happen or not. But I think that's

948
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: my own I look back my own hunting life and

949
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: my own life spent outside and I say like, dude,

950
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: I missed so much in the last twenty years, so much,

951
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: but I'm glad I did because now I know, like you,

952
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: now I know what I missed. Yeah, man, this is

953
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: like we have the best opportunity to explore this world

954
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: and have a variety of different experiences, and the more

955
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: we get caught up in our own desire to validate ourselves.

956
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: And maybe that's and you can even validate yourself through hunting,

957
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: of course, you know, like and that is the trophy element,

958
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: Like I did this. Look at me, Aren't I great?

959
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: You know, like that's fine, but that's not you're missing

960
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: the point. The point is the point is the thing.

961
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: It's the experience itself, you know, Like you should find

962
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: the joy even if you never told a soul, you know,

963
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: and if you could just do this and smile, you know,

964
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: and give that, you know, give those antlers to an

965
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: indigenous people and walk back, like that should be the test,

966
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: Like could you do that and still love it? Like

967
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: could you go kill give away all the meat, all

968
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: the skins, all the antlers, everything, and never tell anybody

969
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: and just do that and hold that is like this

970
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: smile you could carry in your heart and like would

971
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: that still be worth it? And then if so, then

972
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: you know you're probably hunting for the right reason. Yeah.

973
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: I was listening to this guy on Rogans podcast, um

974
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: Johan Ari. You're not that guy, Um an expert in depression,

975
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: which seems like a weird thing to say, but he

976
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: was talking about intrinsic and extrinsic motivation. Like intrinsic obviously

977
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: meaning you're doing it because you love it you personally,

978
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: you gained something personally from it. An extrinsic meaning you're

979
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: going out and doing it based on a reward you

980
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: know some of then external reward that someone else will

981
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: give you based on that thing. And he was talking

982
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: about it in a different field and a completely different

983
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: subject of what I was thinking, But I immediately turned

984
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: into like, that's it, Like that's what my problem has been,

985
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: Like I've let too much of the extrinsic in and

986
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: not done enough of the intrinsic, not only just in

987
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: going outside and and hunting, but just in all of life.

988
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: You let too much of that in, and we do

989
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: it in so many slippery different ways, like we're just

990
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: the ego is just the starving validation machine, and it's

991
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: constantly looking to validate itself, whether it's a glance in

992
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: the mirror, you know, looking at your bank balance or

993
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: what you've accomplished, or what your job is, or you know,

994
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: how big the dick is between your legs, or like

995
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: what animals you've killed, or we're just constantly hungrily looking

996
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: for validation. But I think depression a lot of it

997
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: comes from the exasperation and realizing that you're never going

998
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: to get validation from anything external. You're feeding a hungry

999
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: ghost like you're valid because you're human. You're valid because

1000
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: you're part of this planet. You're valid because you are.

1001
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: You know, you're not valid because you do. You're valid

1002
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: because you be. And when we realize that, then we

1003
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: can stop this rabid hunt to try and prove to

1004
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: ourselves and others that were I am something like, oh

1005
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: yeah you are. You're fucking awesome. But it's not because

1006
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: of anything you do. It's just because you are, you know,

1007
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the big thing we have to

1008
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: and then then and then you're free, and then you

1009
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: actually do more awesome stuff and people are like, oh

1010
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: my god, you're so awesome. You're like okay, you know,

1011
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: Like but when you're constantly hunting. We've all been around

1012
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: those people that are just thirsty, just thirsty for that validation,

1013
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: Like no, I'm gonna give you that. I'm actually gonna

1014
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: do the other way. I'm just a little bit stuff

1015
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, exactly, I got to get my chicken license.

1016
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: A chicken license, damn it. That's going to be the

1017
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: title of this podcast. I'll Remarcus in the chicken license.

1018
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to have to do a video companion.

1019
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: What from the book? Like, what from the book? I

1020
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: want to read the thing, but what what from the

1021
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: book do you think? Um, you know best sheds light

1022
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: on this conversation, Like, Yeah, I think it's the I

1023
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: think it's a lot of the discussions about the managing

1024
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: stress appropriately and um, you know, I think that's a

1025
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: that's a real big one because you think of the

1026
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: life cycle of like how we're supposed to live, and

1027
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: it's short bursts of acute stress and acute stressors hormatic stress,

1028
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: and then long bouts of you know, relaxation and decompression,

1029
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: and that's what you experience in any hunt, you know,

1030
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: and so finding the ways to do that through you know,

1031
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: caught hot and cold therapy through which actually when you

1032
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: do those acute acute stresses, that does an amazing job

1033
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: of reducing the chronic stress. And that chronic stress is

1034
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: like a fire that's just burning us alive. So going

1035
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: through the breath practices like the whim Hoff breath practices,

1036
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: the cold exposures, the heat exposure, the types of training,

1037
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: the different practices that you can put around that so

1038
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: that it just gets your body back in line. I

1039
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: think that's an important topic. And then also mapping the

1040
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: circadian rhythm throughout the day, you know, because when you're

1041
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: out hunting outside and you're on a hunt, you know,

1042
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: you're waking up with the light, You're going to sleep

1043
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: with the darkness. You don't have climate control, you know,

1044
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: you don't have any of these other things. And guess what,

1045
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: you're not tired. You know, for the most part my experiences,

1046
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: it's it's like it's get up at four in the morning,

1047
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: you're hunting, and the end of the day eight o'clock

1048
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: and you're like, I could do two more hours. Yeah,

1049
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: because you're in a court, you're in rhythm, like you're

1050
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: in congruence with the circadian rhythms of the body of

1051
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: the earth. You become one with the environment again and

1052
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 1: finding way is even in our concrete jungle, to stay

1053
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: in accord with that. So when you wake up, you know,

1054
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: making sure that you're getting exposure to light and you're

1055
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: rehydrating and you're getting some movement, and then what you're

1056
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: doing to create darker conditions and mimic a natural environment

1057
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: before you go to bed, and then knowing which times

1058
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: are the right times to nap and rest during throughout

1059
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: the day. You know generally would be in like the

1060
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: heat of the day, that's when the circadian rhythms will

1061
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: drop and go ahead and take that nap, you know,

1062
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: instead of trying to pound more coffee and power through

1063
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: the naps. It is the ultimate nap. I was actually

1064
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: in Mexico last and we started to follow the pattern

1065
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: of these cus deer we were hunting, and there, you know,

1066
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: we were describing it is kind of like the dial

1067
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: of the day. Like you would click it over and

1068
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: it would be like this pre dawn dusk where the

1069
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: deer started to move, and then around ten a m.

1070
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: They would click it over to everybody got in the shade,

1071
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: lay down, let's chill. Then you would click it about

1072
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: four o'clock. It would click into this like post you know,

1073
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: post earlier, you know, post sunny hot time, where it

1074
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: was they we're gonna move. You look at dusk and

1075
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the animals we hunt crepuscular, and that's

1076
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: what they do. But we started to get up in

1077
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: the morning, we go out there. We'd be still during

1078
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: that time, or the deer move and we'll be following

1079
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: them on a ridge or whatever. Ten o'clock would come.

1080
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: We know, we'd get up on a ridge, get in

1081
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: some shade, do exactly what the deer were doing, and

1082
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: then take a nap. You know, during the hot times

1083
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: of the day. Four o'clock would roll around. We get

1084
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: up and do basically what the same deer we're doing,

1085
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: hunt them the way that they lived. And that was

1086
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: the first time I ever thought about that way, the

1087
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: first time I ever realized we're basically just being the

1088
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: deer at this point. And I bet it felt damn good.

1089
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: It was awesome. And that nap during the day, I'm

1090
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: like this, the deer's taking a nap. I'll take a break.

1091
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: And right now, what are we doing? We're being the

1092
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: idealized model of the perfect industrial cog in the machine,

1093
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: like that's what Okay, show up at eight am, work

1094
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: till six pm, blah blah blah, Like okay, but that's

1095
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: not an animal that we're approximate. That's not like what

1096
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: our body wants. That's what like the man wants, you know,

1097
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: like that's what stress or guys like trying to get

1098
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: to work with Oh my got it? Seven? Yeah, what

1099
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: happens at eight and then and then work all through

1100
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: the day. Like it's just a weird structure. I understand

1101
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: for efficiency. Look, I run a company and we have

1102
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: those hours too, But also if I catch if I

1103
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: see someone napping in the middle of the day or

1104
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: working out or whatever, that's also encouraged. Like I realized,

1105
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: like you can't hold human beings two artificial schedules and

1106
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: expect them to be at their best performance, either their

1107
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: happiness or their performance. So you know, I talked about

1108
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff in the book too, like

1109
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: how do we apply these principles that become instinctive to

1110
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: all other animals and apply those two a life lived

1111
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: as a human being in normal society and all this.

1112
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: Every conversation I have with some MyD it just seems

1113
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: like we always get back to this thing because I,

1114
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: other than my family, I think about hunting like almost

1115
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: every day all the time. It's it's kind of unhealthy,

1116
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 1: But it always comes back to this, like a great

1117
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: conversation about this enriching thing that I've done and you've done,

1118
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: and we all kind of have experience and it's changed

1119
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: our lives. But everybody seems to not understand it and

1120
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: not like it like everything. You we both live in Austin, Texas.

1121
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: We're sitting right now in Austin, Texas. If you walk

1122
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: down sixth Street, you know, and started asking people what

1123
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: do you think about hunting and showing him picture, most

1124
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 1: people would be like, that's some bullshit. Yeah, like wise

1125
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: I gout doing that. Well, I think we've shown a

1126
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,479
Speaker 1: spotlight on the wrong thing, you know, Like what makes

1127
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: the news is that the guy who quietly goes out,

1128
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: says a prayer over his bullets and his gun, and

1129
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: goes and takes an animal from a field and cries

1130
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: tears of gratitude and then takes the skin and puts

1131
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: it on his altar and eats the meat and smiles

1132
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: and has family gatherings. And does that make fucking news? No?

1133
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: See so the fucking lion makes the news, you know

1134
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, And it's we're shining a light on

1135
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: the wrong thing. We're not. People aren't aware of what

1136
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: it could be. And I don't think that's it's not

1137
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: something that enough people are putting out because the people

1138
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: who are doing that aren't as vocal. They aren't talking

1139
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: about it, they aren't posting the big, the big post

1140
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: about it because that's not what it is. So I

1141
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: think we can get this kind of bias as to

1142
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: what it is. And I think that's why it's awesome

1143
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: you're having this podcast and I jump at the chance

1144
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: to talk about hunting because it's not something that comes

1145
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: up off into my conversations, but it's like fucking essential,

1146
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: and it's essential to start telling that other side of it.

1147
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: And not everybody's gonna do it like me, and that's cool,

1148
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: but at least, like shine the light on the full

1149
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: breath of the spectrum, not just shine the line on

1150
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: the shitty people who are remote control hunting, you know,

1151
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: for the sheer sport of it. You know, the clicking

1152
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: in online and have some remote control gun like that

1153
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: will make national news, but the other thing will never

1154
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: make the news that point. I can't figure that out.

1155
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: I can't figure out why the moral entanglements of hunting

1156
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: are elevated. And like there's other things that we do

1157
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: that have moral entanglements that we just kind of like

1158
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: slough off, like oh, Franklin barbecue, I love love youre

1159
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: and Franklin. Sorry, but like that dude, just you know,

1160
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: wholesale killing cows and people wait in line for it

1161
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: and it's celebrated, and they're just we don't people aren't

1162
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: standing in line thinking about the moral entanglements of what

1163
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: they're what they're engaged in at that level because hunting.

1164
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: Hunting is decentralized. There's no hunting collective industry really that

1165
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: it's like it's each each individual interactions, you know, So

1166
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: nobody has those big, deep corporate pockets to support other

1167
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: than maybe some gear suppliers or some people like that,

1168
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: but they're not in this big lobbying game whereas you

1169
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: talk about like the meat industry or the dairy industry.

1170
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: Now they're swinging a big fucking stick around. And like,

1171
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: if you're a news company and you you know, don't

1172
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: want to preclude the opportunity to have advertising from real

1173
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: milk or some other advertiser that's advertising on your network.

1174
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: Then you know, you just have to look at the influence.

1175
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: And unfortunately that's the world we live in where these

1176
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: dollars kind of create bias and also it's something that

1177
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: they can shock people with, whereas that other heartwarming story

1178
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: about it is you know, someone really has to pay attention.

1179
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: It doesn't fit with the conversation. Yeah, I'd also think

1180
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: about like I've skied a couple of times, but I'm

1181
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: not I no ski or snowboarder or anything like that.

1182
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody skis down that mountain thinking like, man,

1183
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: this could be habitat like this. I feel very morally

1184
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: I should probably when I get down to the bottom

1185
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: of the mountain gonna put my hand on the ground

1186
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: and cry because this because something used to live here

1187
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: and now I'm just skiing down this for my own

1188
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: pleasure and then riding up on a giant chair that's

1189
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: attached to a cable. So I always I just it's

1190
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: something I've always thought about, like what or thought about

1191
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: recently since we've been have these goods. We're so we're

1192
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: so fucked up about death too, you know, like our

1193
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: whole concept about all death. Human death, animal death were

1194
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: so removed from it. You know, death is just a

1195
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: part of life when you're in the animal way, like

1196
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: you're in another culture. Everybody saw all things die, Like

1197
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: it's shocking to see something die for most people because

1198
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: they've never seen it. And we do weird, weird things

1199
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: like pump bodies full of formaldehyde and you visit them

1200
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: weirdly and it's like whoa man, Like, we're just all

1201
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: weird about it. And I think it's partly a lack

1202
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: of real spiritual understanding of where that energy goes or

1203
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: what happens, and everybody gets entitled to their own beliefs,

1204
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: and that in part just this lack of exposure to it.

1205
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: And then weird overexposure and TV and like where you're

1206
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: in video games and stuff where it's death everywhere, but

1207
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: then in reality, death nowhere, and it's just like we're

1208
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: just really out of balance with what that really is like.

1209
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think that's something that else

1210
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: that if you really want to know what life is about,

1211
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: like you know what death is about, like here the

1212
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: death moan of a bear, like understand the appropriate response

1213
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: for leaving the earth, you know, well, that's why you

1214
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: see a lot of hunters haven't go into posting the

1215
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: crocodile balls and impola video like or the bear kills

1216
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: the cub videos because they want people to say like,

1217
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: hey man, I've seen this, like this is death. I

1218
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: I know death, and it's serious. Like there isn't any

1219
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: way to wash that out of the experience. There's no

1220
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: way to take it and hose off the blood like

1221
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: it's there all the time. Those bears are killing, those

1222
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: big boars are killing cubs like it's going out of

1223
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: style and there's no but you can't. You can't put

1224
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: suspenders on that bear and the hat on it and

1225
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,439
Speaker 1: the rain jacket and make it all better and whatever

1226
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: you do, don't put gold chains on they especially in

1227
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: the psychedelic world. Um yeah, I think that that ties

1228
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: it all back to, like how do we how do

1229
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: we take this thing that's enriching and good and just

1230
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't see anything bad about it. I don't people

1231
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: can take it and make it bad, just like trampers

1232
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: campers might go litter that the mint camping bad. How

1233
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: do we take this thing that's inherently good and figure

1234
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: out how to talk about I think you know, I

1235
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: think there's a space for a more ritualized like in

1236
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: spiritual communities, there's not a lot of hunters and that's bullshit,

1237
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: Like it's bullshit, And I think there's a space for

1238
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: a more ritualized hunting experience where you have somebody maybe

1239
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, a Lakota elder who knows the old ways,

1240
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, and and take someone out and it's like,

1241
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: this is how we hunt, this is how we prepare

1242
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: the animals, where you go through the complete experience from

1243
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: the prayers, from the songs the night before where you're

1244
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: trying to communicate with those spirits and ask them to come,

1245
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: and then taking the animal in the field and then

1246
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: skinning it, preparing it, making your jerky, skinning the animal,

1247
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: making whatever kind of crafts out of the other parts

1248
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: of the animal, and like that fucking experience would be

1249
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: radically transformative, you know. And I think there's a real

1250
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: space for that kind of because there's all kind of

1251
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: yoga retreats and ship seven day yoga retreat fourteen day

1252
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: what about a you know, seven day, fourteen day North

1253
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Dakota hunting experience led by the native ls and you

1254
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: do a sweat lodge and kill an animal and prepare

1255
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: it and you know, painted like all right, funck yeah,

1256
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: Like there's a space for that. And I think that's important.

1257
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: And maybe that's not going to reach the masses, but

1258
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: it at least have more voices who are kind of

1259
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: embracing this other side and telling that other part of

1260
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: the narrative. And um, you know, if I had more time,

1261
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: maybe I could start to organize. I'd go with you

1262
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: because yeah, and I found that. I find that, you know,

1263
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: the two times we won't talk about the first time

1264
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: we went hunting, that's a whole another The first time

1265
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: Albrey and I met, we were sitting on top of

1266
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: like a high rack jeep getting just marauded by mosquitoes

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Speaker 1: in this we won't say the name of it, in

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Speaker 1: this high fence. We got tricked into a situation and

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Speaker 1: we realized that some laugh though we had some fun

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Speaker 1: with that crew. It's hard not to but any wait,

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Speaker 1: we won't talk about that, but you know, and just

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Speaker 1: when I was it was driving over here thinking about

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01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: this conversation, I was thinking just to just I would

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Speaker 1: almost every year try to go hunt with somebody that

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Speaker 1: has a different perspective because sometimes we I always tend

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Speaker 1: to hunt with my friends or people that I enjoy

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Speaker 1: time with, and of course I know, intimately know, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of times there's not a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: dynamics in that situation. You're kind of always getting the

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Speaker 1: same thing. And UM to like just say, hey man,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go with Aubrey and check out his

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Speaker 1: you know, just to kind of watch what he does

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01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: and see see how that benefits me. Careful because I

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01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: talked to have a good buddy, really good buddy, and

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01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: he went hunting with someone who didn't really know that

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01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 1: well and he's like, God, damn, that guy drove me crazy.

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Speaker 1: You know. I was like, little, we'll just sitting and

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Speaker 1: be quiet, and he was over there. Yeah, no, that

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Speaker 1: you gotta be careful with that. But there's you know,

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: there's a way to do that where you can see

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01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: through somebody who hasn't experienced the same thing you have.

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01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a different way to think about it. Maybe

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01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: there's a different way. And that's what I was thinking,

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01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: like kicking this damn thing off, like who am I

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01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: going to talk to? That can provide some different perspective.

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Speaker 1: Because all due respect from all the people I know

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01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: in the hunting industry that it's it's there's it's a bubble,

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01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: it's group think, it's it's we're all kind of doing

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Speaker 1: the same thing. We're super passionate. We got our heads

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01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: down and a lot of times we don't ever look

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Speaker 1: up and look around, like are we is this right? Yeah?

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: Is that we're doing this right? Yeah? Yeah? I mean,

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: and I think it would be cool for hunters to, like,

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01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, psychedelics aren't for everybody, and but if you're

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01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: called to that path, like have a guided experience by

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: someone who really knows what they're doing, the imagine it.

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Speaker 1: Think of it like hunting and dangerous terrain, Like you

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Speaker 1: want a guy who really knows what they're doing, doesn't

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01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,919
Speaker 1: have an ego, isn't going to be foolish, isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: be stupid, but like do something that helps show you

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Speaker 1: a deeper side of the life of the animals that

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Speaker 1: you have. And you know, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: hunters are kind of like, oh, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that because I don't want to find out that

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Speaker 1: what I'm doing is wrong. Like I'll give you the

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Speaker 1: fucking shortcut. What you're doing is not wrong. At the action,

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Speaker 1: but how you're doing it might be able to be

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01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: better and better to learn that. Now you know better

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01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: to be able to carry that and face that because

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Speaker 1: all all people have hunted since the beginning of time,

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Speaker 1: like the action. Don't worry about the action. It's not

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Speaker 1: gonna tell you not to hunt. It just might give

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Speaker 1: you advice. I'm like, Okay, here's how to do it

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Speaker 1: in like a cooler way. And the way I started

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Speaker 1: hunting with my dad, And I feel like if my

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Speaker 1: dad listens to these regular he's gonna think I'm talking ship.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Dad. Like the way that we hunted

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Speaker 1: was like if I look back now, like, man, we

1329
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: were some rednecks. We're red neck to the core. And

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Speaker 1: if I would have told like fifteen year old Ben

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Speaker 1: O'Brien this conversation, we're having to be like pussy, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that. I just talk about like not travel,

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Speaker 1: things that are serious to hunting and not all this.

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Speaker 1: But I I said it in the last couple and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to repeat myself on all these things.

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Speaker 1: But I find myself more interested in the philosophies of

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Speaker 1: this thing that I am interested in in what boost

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Speaker 1: I should wear or whatever. Just I think just because

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 1: it's it's such a complex thing that you could talk

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Speaker 1: about it forever and never get to all of it. Yeah, well, man,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about it because,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I don't get that chance very much.

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Speaker 1: And I know we've had those conversations and we're and

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Speaker 1: we're digging them and uh so I appreciate you any time.

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Speaker 1: And your podcast is I listen to all the time.

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01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: There's the voices and the people that you have one

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01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: that I have no idea about. Half of my followers

1348
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: I think came from your podcasts and just people that

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Speaker 1: speak with open minds and just smart thinkers who have

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01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: found different ways. And you know, I want to pull

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Speaker 1: people along in their journey, which I find to be

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Speaker 1: kick ass. And yeah, so yeah, thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Of course, thanks for this. Yeah, definitely, anybody interested in

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Speaker 1: the book, by the way, just go to own the

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Speaker 1: Day book dot com. I poured my soul into this thing,

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01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: so I know you did. I remember talking to you

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01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: like I I'll see you in a couple of months,

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: go into a book retreat, and I'm never going to

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Speaker 1: talk to you again. The Hourglass is empty. Man, we

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Speaker 1: did it by later and the hour Glasses Empty. Episode

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Speaker 1: number three is done. Appreciate you all joining. Much respect

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Speaker 1: to Aubrey Marcus for joining us for the conversation. I

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Speaker 1: love that guy. Um. He had to leave us after

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Speaker 1: just the hour for the hour Glass because of course

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Speaker 1: he is the CEO of a giant company and he's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of things to do. Um, but we

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Speaker 1: had him for an hour, which I appreciated as always,

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01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: and hopefully you can tell by that that podcast. Albury

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01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: is the type of dude who you can sit around

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01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: and have a beer with and quote will feral movies

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01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: and laugh like a teenager. But he's also a dude

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Speaker 1: that you can go and sit in meditation with talk

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01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: about spirit for oneness. I mean, he really just eased

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01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: one of the more unique people that you'll ever meet.

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Speaker 1: So I hope that came through in podcast number three.

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01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: Really appreciate you joining us so, as always, go to

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective dot com for more videos, articles, all

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01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: the podcasts we've done up to this point. Check out

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Speaker 1: my Instagram feed at NYO B three or one that's

1380
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Speaker 1: where everything else emanates from, and check us out next week.

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Speaker 1: For episode four, where I'll hope to be joined by

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Speaker 1: episode three special guests, the one, the Only, Jonathan Dudley

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01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: hope knock on, So join us next week for that one.

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Speaker 1: Until then, Bye bye,