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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 1: All Right, so this week's wind Down podcast, we are.

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Speaker 2: On location in New York.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And I have roped Alan.

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Speaker 1: Into the beginning of this because all right, so I

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Speaker 1: I've watched episodes here and there of you know, Housewives,

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Speaker 1: and but I haven't really watched from beginning to end.

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Speaker 1: And then I heard about The Valley and I was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna watch it. I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: have this thing with the Valley, like we're going to

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Speaker 1: we're going to, uh, Los Angeles in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: And for some reason, I always gravit towards the Valley

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Speaker 1: whenever I book for you know, book a place or anything.

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Speaker 1: And so I was watching it at home, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you make like your little comments.

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Speaker 3: Why A you're watching reality TV?

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Speaker 1: Well, because it's not something I some thing you've ever

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Speaker 1: really seen me, no watch, But it was like a

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Speaker 1: book I couldn't put down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I watched you getting gradually get more and more invested.

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Speaker 2: And then you asked me what made me want to watch?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, when people come on the show, you do,

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Speaker 4: you do your research, but this one you were like okay.

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Speaker 4: Normally you watched like an hour or two, but this one,

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Speaker 4: it was like episode after the episode, after the episode, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, I got hooked on the show.

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Speaker 1: And then when we were on the plane going to

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Speaker 1: New York because I was here for a movie for

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Speaker 1: press from my movie gaslet I go, Alan, just put

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Speaker 1: a little erin and just listen. And did you know

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Speaker 1: that he watched like three episodes with me and you

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Speaker 1: got hooked.

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Speaker 3: That's because the WiFi wasn't walking on the flight.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no, no, you could have done anything.

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Speaker 3: No, I got hooked.

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Speaker 2: Oh I got the wow.

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Speaker 4: No, I think I think it hooked. But I became

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Speaker 4: an invested in people's personalities.

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Speaker 3: Okay, reactions to stuff, okay, And therefore it became interesting

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Speaker 3: me and.

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Speaker 1: So much so that he was like, hey, babe, did

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Speaker 1: they send you the finale screener? We're just it was

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Speaker 1: so funny to me because we're at dinner and I

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Speaker 1: knew that the finale was coming out. We were going

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Speaker 1: to be able to get a screener because we're interviewing

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Speaker 1: Michelle today from the Valley, and he asked if we

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Speaker 1: got the screener, So I immediately text you know, our

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Speaker 1: the Little wind Down podcast crew, and like Alan just

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Speaker 1: asked for the screener and Babe, I'm sorry, but I

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Speaker 1: did watch it.

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Speaker 3: Oh did you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got to watch it this morning.

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Speaker 2: They sent it to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we got to watch it, you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously before it aired. Now people can watch it when

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Speaker 1: this airs. But so the finale was after they stopped

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Speaker 1: taping Michelle, who we have on today, she asked for

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Speaker 1: a divorce, like after the camera.

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Speaker 2: Stopped rolling immediately after, I think, so yeah, on.

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Speaker 1: Set, Well, so what from what I saw is they

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Speaker 1: didn't film that, but they did film the conversation of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, her picking up Isabella and them talking about

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Speaker 1: how they're splitting their business, and the two on two

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Speaker 1: and the custody. So yeah, but she she did it

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Speaker 1: when the camera stopped, and I think that's where he

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Speaker 1: felt a little blindsided. And then Jax and Brittany, Brittany

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Speaker 1: left the women.

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Speaker 2: The woman see, he remembers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, from as a guy's perspective, actually, would you

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Speaker 1: ever do that type of reality show?

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Speaker 4: Not in a group setting like that? I think that's

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Speaker 4: a recipe for disaster. Why, I mean, but these guys'

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Speaker 4: friends before the show.

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Speaker 1: They were like kind of all acquaintances, some are some

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Speaker 1: are more friends than others.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well I just.

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Speaker 4: Think when it's when there's so many different personalities and

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Speaker 2: Which guy did you like the most.

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Speaker 3: More quiet one? Because Messus was pregnant.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Janet's husband.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, pretty pretty amicable, pretty composed, but powerful enough

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Speaker 4: to hold themselves in the group. Yeah, and these emotions

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's good TV.

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Speaker 1: So but I'm curious to see how Michelle is doing today,

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Speaker 1: how she's feeling, and we'll get into that. So let's

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Speaker 1: take a break and then we'll get Michelle on. Michelle,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on mind Down. I

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Speaker 1: have to tell you I got so hooked on watching

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Speaker 1: the show, And I feel almost bad saying that, because

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Speaker 1: you know your marriage fell apart kind of and you

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Speaker 1: know we all watched that happen is and so I

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Speaker 1: feel bad saying I got hooked on something that you

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Speaker 1: know had a tough ending for you and your family.

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Speaker 1: So I guess, how are you after this is all

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Speaker 5: It's been interesting to rewatch it all, but I actually

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Speaker 5: feel good about it. I feel like it can be

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Speaker 5: empowering to a lot of women, and if I can

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Speaker 5: help others speak to their voice or see if they're

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Speaker 5: in a bad relationship and they can do something about it,

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Speaker 5: I just want to be super helpful. So I feel

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Speaker 5: good about that. There's parts where it's very emotional, and

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Speaker 5: I didn't expect to be that vulnerable because I'm more

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Speaker 5: of a private person and I keep things inside. So

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Speaker 5: it's very interesting to see me kind of open.

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Speaker 1: Up, right, I mean, what do you want people to

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Speaker 1: know now that they've been able to see all of

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Speaker 1: this play out? Like, you know, because obviously I have

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Speaker 1: a handful of questions, but like, what is the main

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Speaker 1: thing that you're like, this is what I want people

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Speaker 5: Well, clearly they all everybody got to see very small

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Speaker 5: clips of our relationship, and people didn't get to see

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Speaker 5: the actual struggle of how difficult it was, the years

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Speaker 5: of how unhappy I was. It wasn't just a single thing,

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Speaker 5: and it wasn't just a couple months. It was a

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Speaker 5: very long period. And although people can say small things

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Speaker 5: like I tried that doesn't necessarily mean that they actually

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Speaker 5: So they have to just understand that it's a lot

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Speaker 5: bigger than they see. But ultimately, I made the decision

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Speaker 5: to leave and it was the best thing for my

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Speaker 5: daughter and I and there's reasons behind all of.

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Speaker 2: It, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so hard too, because people only see

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Speaker 1: the edited version of however long that was filmed for,

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Speaker 1: you know, they didn't see the years that you know,

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Speaker 1: the struggle or the trying that you guys did behind

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Speaker 1: closed doors. And I also think it was interesting too

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Speaker 1: how they did edit a lot of the things, like

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Speaker 1: they almost in a way portrayed your ex as the

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Speaker 1: guy that was like the only one fighting in a way, right,

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Speaker 1: Like there was many times they used the same clip,

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Speaker 1: I just want to fight for my marriage.

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Speaker 2: I want to fight and fight and in.

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Speaker 1: A way, and as a viewer, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I feel bad, like he's wanting to fight so hard,

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Speaker 1: and it almost made me sad that it just kind

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Speaker 1: of portrayed almost in a way that you didn't want to,

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Speaker 1: but yet you were, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 1: I can see the both sides of it too. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, there's so much more behind this, but

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Speaker 1: I just I don't want her to be portrayed as

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Speaker 5: Also, a lot of people thought I was cold, and

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Speaker 5: it was I was not like that for a long time.

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Speaker 5: That was the very end tail of my relationship. And

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Speaker 5: Jesse is very different than me. He's outgoing, he studied

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Speaker 5: to be an actor. It's very easy for him to cry.

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Speaker 5: He has that, and I'm just more like I closed

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Speaker 5: up and so it's just different personalities. But yes, the

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Speaker 5: editing and how everything is portrayed is hard to fully

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Speaker 5: grasp our entire relationship.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's where I could also see the other

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Speaker 1: side of it and go no, no, no, Like you

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Speaker 1: can tell when when a woman this is what you know,

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Speaker 1: my my fiance at first, you know, he's like, why

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Speaker 1: are you watching that? But then he got hooked on

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Speaker 1: it too, and he's listening right now, but he's you know,

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Speaker 1: it was I was like no, no, no, I was like,

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Speaker 1: she's you can tell she's tried this long and she's

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Speaker 1: at the point where she's literally just done. Like there's

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Speaker 1: nothing that he could have done. He could have done

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Speaker 1: ayahuasca to leave his blue in the face, like there's

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Speaker 1: there's so many things. It's like when you get to

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Speaker 1: that point, and I remember getting that same point with

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Speaker 1: my ax, I'm like, he could have done you know,

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Speaker 1: the therapy that would have changed it all, and I

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Speaker 1: still would have been like no, Like, it's you hit

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Speaker 1: your breaking point where you're like, I, I know what

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Speaker 1: to that point, you're right. There's such strength in that

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Speaker 1: moment that like you know that you did everything you

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Speaker 1: that's a that's a beautiful place to be.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, I love that.

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Speaker 1: So where where do you think, like, when you look

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Speaker 1: back on your relationship, was the moment that you I know,

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Speaker 1: it's all the little things that compile, but was there

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Speaker 1: one thing that you were like, No, this is kind

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Speaker 1: of where it started for me where I started to

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Speaker 1: kind of question the marriage that I was in.

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Speaker 5: Well, he said it on an episode that I was

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Speaker 5: growing as a mother and he wasn't. You know. I

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Speaker 5: was always with Isabella. I was always taking her to

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Speaker 5: the park or taking her to activities, and it was

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Speaker 5: more important for him to go out to dinners or

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Speaker 5: lunches with friends and drink and go out of town

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Speaker 5: to NAPA, and he just had a different priority and

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Speaker 5: his family wasn't his number one priority. And that was

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Speaker 5: how it originally started. Just the time alone was very difficult,

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Speaker 5: and I felt very lonely and I felt like a

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Speaker 5: single mom at one point, even though I was married.

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Speaker 5: And I said, like he was never fully present, even

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Speaker 1: You say, you know, obviously it's hard for you to

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Speaker 1: be you know, I'm open about certain things.

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Speaker 2: Where did this show come up from?

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Speaker 1: Like? Did you I me even saying yes to this?

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Speaker 1: Like I guess why was your why for the show?

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Speaker 5: When they first originally told us about the show, Isabella

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Speaker 5: good place and so not until they told us we

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Speaker 5: were going to do it, I was still very confused.

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Speaker 5: I had no idea at that point that we would separate,

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Speaker 5: and I thought that because I gave him a chance,

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Speaker 5: I wanted to leave him, and he said, give me

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Speaker 5: a year, give me an opportunity to change, and within

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Speaker 5: that year, if you're still not, He's like, but I

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Speaker 5: Now, and as soon as that happens, we just stop

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Speaker 5: Oh he's a good listener.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he is, No, he is. I mean Jacks is.

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Speaker 5: I want Brittany to be so happy, So whatever that is,

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Speaker 5: that's what I want for her.

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Speaker 1: What is one thing you want people to take away

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Speaker 1: from watching the show? And again, just I know you

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Speaker 1: kind of mentioned like that you can leave and you

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Speaker 1: can have you know, the happy ending, But what is

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Speaker 1: something else that you want people to know?

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Speaker 2: About you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, life is hard. Life is so hard. We

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Speaker 5: all struggle in different capacities, different ways, and it just

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Speaker 5: takes a lot of hard work. But anything's possible. I

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Speaker 5: think saving a marriage is possible, and also walking away

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Speaker 5: it's possible. It just depends on the situation the person.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know, just life.

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Speaker 2: I get that very much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Michelle, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I love you. I'm like, can

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Speaker 1: we hang? I'm coming to Peoples next week, and I'm

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Speaker 1: like I would love you, like You're so sweet. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: but thank you for showing women that it can be

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Speaker 1: done and that you know that it's it's it's okay.

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Speaker 1: There doesn't have to be some big thing that you know,

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Speaker 1: he didn't you know, you guys have to be some

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Speaker 1: big catalyst for you to find your strength to leave.

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Speaker 1: So that's another important thing too for women to know

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Speaker 1: as well. I have a friend that said one time,

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Speaker 1: she's like, well, I don't feel like I can divorce

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Speaker 1: my husband. And I said why, She's like, well, he

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Speaker 1: didn't know, he didn't cheat, he didn't have a drinking problem.

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Speaker 1: He's on now, and she's like, so I'm like you

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Speaker 1: don't need some big catalysts, like if you're unhappy in

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Speaker 1: your marriage and you've tried and you've done therapy, and

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Speaker 1: you know you guys played the therapy out on TV too,

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Speaker 1: So it's like you done all the things you feel

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Speaker 1: like you've done. Like you shouldn't stay in an unhappy

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Speaker 1: marriage just because he didn't do some big thing. Give

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Speaker 1: you the reason, like if you're not happy and he's

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Speaker 1: there's certain things changing, like you deserve to be happy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much much. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Benny, all right, baby, you didn't come

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Speaker 1: in you got a little nervous.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: I think I felt it was better for you guys

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Speaker 4: to have a women to women conversation about this.

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts from watching the show?

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Speaker 3: What's reality is TV?

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Speaker 4: So I think people can get caught up and what

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Speaker 4: the manufacturer edits are sure and not the true reflection

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Speaker 4: of that period because it seems like it was a

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Speaker 4: long paid But she's she's suffered in the relationship, yeah,

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Speaker 4: or the relationship is suffered, the manager suffered. I think

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Speaker 4: the takeaways are that you have the perception that she's

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Speaker 4: she wasn't willing to work on it like you covered yeah,

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Speaker 4: but she clearly was clearly patient. She asked for change, right,

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Speaker 4: but they show you, they show you the half side,

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Speaker 4: like the harsh words of you need to change your personality. Right,

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Speaker 4: what guy wants to hear that? But again that's just

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Speaker 4: what they've shown, right. Whether she's probably made a way

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Speaker 4: through that Johnny and tried to, she's probably been suppressed

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 3: Sure, so I think.

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Speaker 1: And over too, like there comes a point where like

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Speaker 1: you can only like your actions and words they have

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Speaker 1: to match, right, So it's like I think that's why

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Speaker 1: she was kind of saying with like Brittany and Jacks too,

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Speaker 1: and like you have to have words and actions match.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think. I stut, like my last

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Speaker 1: relationship not seeing the words and actions match with you.

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Speaker 1: You say something, you do it, and that's what I

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Speaker 1: love about you is because they match.

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Speaker 4: It would just be interesting to know why they went

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Speaker 4: with that route of almost making him I want to try,

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Speaker 4: I want to feccess, but making all the bad person

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Speaker 4: in it.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's where I think the.

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Speaker 3: Cold one when it's probably not the case.

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Speaker 1: That's where I always think it's unfair how women and

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Speaker 1: get it's always Oh, we're the crazy one, we're the

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Speaker 1: bat where And it's like, wait a minute, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: not really. That becomes the narrative in a way. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's and and then you feel for the guy

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Speaker 1: like oh he tried and like it even tried to

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Speaker 1: take me. And then I was like, wait, you know,

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Speaker 1: at no point did I feel from Okay, Well, I

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Speaker 1: have one last question. Will you watch season two of

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Speaker 1: the Valley with me?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Check, yes or not? What?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Everyone watched The Valley. It's so great and Michelle follow

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Speaker 1: along with her journey. Thanks guys, Bye,