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Speaker 1: her sing. And Sonny Sweeney talks a lot about, you know,

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Speaker 1: meant to be you know, you think it is, you

425
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: have this like whatever. So my parents were not meant

426
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: to be married, and then they got married to other

427
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: people and they're still married to those people a couple

428
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: of years after that. And I've always had four parents,

429
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: you know. And I sometimes feel selfish saying that because

430
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: there's so many people that don't even have like one parent.

431
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: But I feel like each of them gave me something,

432
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, do you feel

433
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 1: like your stepmom and your stepdad obviously two from both units,

434
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 1: do you feel like they both love you? Yes? My

435
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: stepfather is I mean, one of my favorite people in

436
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: this entire universe. He's his artwork is the one that's

437
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, Like, he means a lot

438
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: to me, and he's the one that taught me how

439
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: to play guitar. He's the one that you know, the

440
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: family life on my mom and my stepdad's side was

441
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 1: bluegrass and country and like Kenny Rogers and Conway Twitty

442
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: is my mama's favorite. And then like my dad's house

443
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: was more like Crosby Steels, Nash and Young and Tom

444
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: Petty and Stevie Nicks, and so I feel like a

445
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: lot of both households. It's like by osmosis almost like

446
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: when you learn what you like as a child, you

447
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: may not even really like it, you just know what

448
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: you're exposed to, which is how country music is now.

449
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: I feel like people like what they're exposed to. If

450
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: they were exposed to my music, I feel like more

451
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: people would. You know, it's more like Americana, you know

452
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: what I mean? But I think is the world country music?

453
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: If we're basing I do too what country music used

454
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: to be. I also believe in fluidity and not really

455
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: a signing. But when people go, oh, it's American, it's

456
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: not country, I'm like, man, it's the countryest thing there is. Well,

457
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: so here's the weird thing, and this is the weird thing?

458
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: Is this? So I used to say I'm a country

459
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: artist and I am. I mean, I'm from East Texas,

460
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 1: I would agree you're a country artist. Yes, yes, But however, however,

461
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: the country that is current now is not what I do. Correct.

462
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: So when I say I'm a country artist to a

463
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: random person on a plane, when they see me with

464
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: a guitar and they're like, what do you do? And

465
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm you know, I'm a secret shopper. I mean,

466
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: I'm you know, what do you think? I am? Like,

467
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm just carrying this guitar around for fun. But I'm like,

468
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm a you know, country singer. And I used to

469
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: say that and now I just say, um, I'm a

470
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: singer songwriter because I don't want I am. I have

471
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: so many beliefs about the way that I make music

472
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: and I want people to give it a chance. So like,

473
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 1: if there's someone that doesn't like current music and they

474
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: only like older music, I don't want them to not

475
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: give me a chance just by putting a label, because

476
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you, like, I don't think it

477
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: should have a label necessarily. But but I am country

478
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: and I will always be a country artist. I'll always

479
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, my kind of country at least. So it's

480
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: a really hard I say your country. I think so

481
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: countries could be I think I think so too, But

482
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: then for sure that the popular standard of country is

483
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: based on who the most popular artists are right now exactly.

484
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

485
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: This is the Bobby Cast. Your mom. You've mentioned her

486
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: probably four times and we've been talking for twenty three minutes.

487
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: I want to know about your mom because it sounds

488
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: like she's still a great influence in your life. She is,

489
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: She's awesome. Um, she's actually an israel right now. They

490
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: went to Israel to do to go like to the

491
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: Holy Land? Wow? Has she ever been before? Now? And

492
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: what motivated that? They were at church one day and

493
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: their preacher was like, Hey, we're gonna have a trip

494
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: to Israel. Who wants to go? And before they even

495
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: left church, my stepdad told my mom, Hey, I signed

496
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: us up for that. We're going to Israel. My mom

497
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: was like, we are, so I am thrilled for them.

498
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: Like they went to Nazareth today, it's like eight hours ahead.

499
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: I think they went to Nazareth today and then tomorrow

500
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: they're going to see Jesus's tomb and like stuff like that.

501
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: I think that traveling is the reason that I continue

502
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: doing this job. I love traveling. It is my favorite

503
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: thing on this planet. Nothing will ever compare to it,

504
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: no edge process of it. Though you're like getting to

505
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: these places. I don't mind either of it. Really, I'm

506
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: not one of those it's so weird. I know, I

507
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: don't care as long as I'm in motion. I'm one

508
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: of those people that's like a motion person. And like

509
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: today when we leave here, I'm literally getting in the

510
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: van going into hatching the trailer and then we're driving

511
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: a Little Rock and I'm so excited to go to

512
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: Little Rock. Hey, nothing on that route. I do it

513
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: about six times a year. But good luck to you.

514
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean. So they're in they're

515
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: in a Israel and and and my mom is, you know,

516
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: clearly my best friend and time every day, all the time,

517
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: more more than more than every day. What about what

518
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: about her makes her a great friend and a great mom?

519
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: And what are you happy that you got from her?

520
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: I think she's the one that always told me. You know,

521
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: it sounds cliche, but like you can do whatever you

522
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: want to do. As long as you really really want

523
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: to do something, you can figure out a way and

524
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: do not ever let anyone tell you otherwise. So I

525
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: think the persistence aspect of it is what I got

526
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: from her, like just not giving up the cockroach aspect,

527
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: I guess is what we should call it. And you

528
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: know her, her humor is really good and like she

529
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: she can she can get it no matter what I'm

530
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: talking about. We can have like a conversation with our

531
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: eyes in a room full of people without even talking.

532
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: So to me, that's a pretty big deal. You know,

533
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: to have that first call if something goes wrong, oh yeah,

534
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: like something like real, like like yeah, fundamentally it's something's wrong,

535
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: you call her, absolutely yeah. And is she your first

536
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: call and something goes right? Absolutely? Yeah? Her? And I

537
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: mean my partner, I call him. I call him, you know,

538
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: unless we're together somewhere also with him a lot too,

539
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: right Yeah. So I mean, you know, but if if

540
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm like by myself and I get good news, I'll

541
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: usually text both of them first and be like, can

542
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: y'all call me back? You know, I like Sharon good news. Yeah,

543
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: And does she text? I don't know, Yeah, she text her?

544
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeahcause she was a lot of emojis I had

545
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: to have the talk with because I would imagine she's

546
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: over sixty, she's seventy. Okay, now what's her emoji use? Like?

547
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: These are great questions. I love this. I had to

548
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: have a talk with her. I was like, mom, one

549
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: emoji's fun. You don't have to do you don't have

550
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: to do literally seventeen lines of emojis, all different. You know,

551
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: I know you know what I'm talking about, and that's

552
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: why I ask. And I was being sensitive about you know.

553
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: I don't old she was, but I got to the

554
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: text question that I was like, I'm going in for

555
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: the emojis because I feel like anybody over sixty, like

556
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: sixty three, they either don't know how to use somebody

557
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: use way too many, and it's either one of the two.

558
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: So she uses way too many. She did, and then

559
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: I had to have the talk with her because I

560
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: was like, if you're doing this to me, you're probably

561
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: doing this to other people too. So this is annoying,

562
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: So don't do that. And then what do you call it?

563
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: A y'all? Or is it a gift or a Jeff? Yeah,

564
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: Jeff like a j but it's with a g. Okay,

565
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: so a Jeff. She has found the jef. So she

566
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: hits a little little work I were glass. It pulls

567
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: up all the jeffs you could send. Yeah, oh yeah,

568
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: so she is a Jeff user. And she sent me

569
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: one the other day and it was so she didn't

570
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: watch it all the way through, you know how it's

571
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: tough times has words at the end, like a penis

572
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: comes up from me. You didn't even see. It's because

573
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: I'll do that. I'll send some sometimes too. Well I'm like, oh,

574
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: this is hilarious, and I send it. Then I don't

575
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: watch it. Why did she send you? Um? It was

576
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: it was not good. Um. And I had to call

577
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: her and be like, mom, do you remember when because

578
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: there was this one time, like back when vhs was

579
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: a thing, So she would buy vhs like at garage

580
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: sales because you could tape over them, you know, and

581
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: she would she would tape her shows on them, you know,

582
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: like when you could tape shows before DVR or whatever

583
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: it's called DVR. And um, anyway, so I am not

584
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: kidding when I say this, this is a joke. In

585
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: my family. She was recording stuff and sending it to

586
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: her sister, to me, to whoever. Like, you know, she

587
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: was like so proud that she could record whatever shows

588
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: we wanted, they had porn on them. So oh whoas

589
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: at the end, she just didn't get far. It did

590
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: not get far. She just like hit record. So it's

591
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: a joke in our family now, like she's so like,

592
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: thank god her sisters were the ones that saw it.

593
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: And then my mom called everyone that she had sent

594
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: a thing to and was like, what's in turn it

595
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: off five minutes before it's over. I'll tell you how

596
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: it ends. That's funny. I was going through your music

597
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: a little bit ago and I saw a new song

598
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: I popped up and it was Emily Harris cover. And

599
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with Jamie Lynn Wilson, but I know

600
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: you guys did that song together? Why that song? What

601
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: about that song stood out? And why her? So Jamie

602
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: and I have been friends a long time and we

603
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: were touring together in Switzerland in twenty sixteen and it

604
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 1: was just me and her just doing a solo you know,

605
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: song swap thing for two weeks and um, we just

606
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: on trip, did a lot of driving and we would,

607
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, plug the iPod in and just start listening

608
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: to music. And we always were leaning towards Emmy and

609
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: so we realized that we both had this infatuation with

610
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: that record, the Red Dirt Girl record, and it talked

611
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: about procrastinator. It took us like what seven years to

612
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: actually record it, after we had initially decided, let's should

613
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: the song. Sorry, yeah, just the song. No that I'm

614
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: saying that you didn't take seven years to record. It's

615
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: one song you're talking about. We didn't restart recording it

616
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: until about three months ago, So I'm saying it took

617
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: seven years to come to fruition. And so then we

618
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: just put it out and um, and we I threw

619
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: threw it all out there because every answer is going

620
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: to be no unless you ask. And so I contacted

621
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: Buddy Miller, who is, in my opinion, one of the

622
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: greatest musicians and people on this earth. And I was like, hey, Buddy, UM,

623
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: I know this is a shot in the dark and

624
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna say no, but if you would possibly

625
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: let Emmy hear this, because I know Yellow really close

626
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: and if she's interested, would you ask her if she

627
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: would maybe want to sing harmony? He goes, oh, I'll hey,

628
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: I will get it to her. I will, I will

629
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: definitely get it to her. I will let her hear it.

630
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: But I don't think she's doing much right now other

631
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: than what's kind of on her calendar. I was like, okay,

632
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: well if you would just send it to her anyway,

633
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: just see so Emmy Lou Harris is a huge dog person,

634
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: as am I, and so I wrote her a letter

635
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: and I sent her a picture of my dog wearing

636
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: a bow tie and she this. Two days later, Buddy

637
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: called me. He goes here, you're not gonna believe this.

638
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: She's gonna take a swing at it. So and I

639
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: was like what, and he I go win and he

640
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: said tomorrow. I said tomorrow, okay, And he said would

641
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: you like to come over and meet her? And I'd

642
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: met her like backstage, you know, fifteen years ago somewhere,

643
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: but never like really talk to her. And he goes, yeah,

644
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: if you come over at one, we're going to record it.

645
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: Come over at one and then you know, you can

646
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: meet her. I was like, okay. I went and sat

647
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: in a laundry matt parking lot for two hours before

648
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: the time when he told me to be there in

649
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: case they got finished early, so that I could be there,

650
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: And then when I showed up, I was like, oh hey,

651
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: oh yeah. I was like I know, I had a

652
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: friend that lives near here and me and the laundry

653
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: matter my friend, but I was so excited to meet

654
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: her and she was so gracious and so sweet and um, actually,

655
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: do you know who Radney Foster is? So Radney actually

656
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: texted me yesterday and said that he had run into

657
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: Emmy Lou a couple days ago and that she was

658
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: really really happy with how that turned out. And she came,

659
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, saying on it and she said, I'm just

660
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: so glad that they wanted to cut my song. That's

661
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: just so you know, flattering. And of course my heart's

662
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: exploding while I'm reading that text message because I love her.

663
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: I just she's the coolest. She's like the ultimate cool,

664
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, and it cut me to call a fan.

665
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: The whole thing about her too. I don't know if

666
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: you if you saw it, but just spending time breaking

667
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: down her early life and how different because now we

668
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: just go, oh, the great Emma Lou Harris, but what

669
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: she was doing was kind of radical at the time. Yeah,

670
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: and how she was doing her music and who she

671
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: was doing it with and who and I would encourage

672
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: anybody just to look her up. I mean, she kind

673
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: of at times was like a hippie total like California

674
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: but country, and was taking that there and bringing that here,

675
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: and like working with Doll. I mean she had the

676
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: Albert League guy playing guitar with her too, which was

677
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: a totally like I mean, he has a bad ass

678
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: and he's just like he's guy's such a great guitar player.

679
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: But like that Luxury Liner. Just I mean, if anyone

680
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: is caring at all what I'm saying, you should listen

681
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: to a Luxury Liner because it is it is like

682
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: so radical, like you said, just like it's it's so

683
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: above it's time. Yeah. I can only imagine people were like,

684
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: what is she doing when she first started doing it,

685
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: and then she was so great at combining styles where

686
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like she was combining styles. I felt

687
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: like she created her own path. Yeah, that she became

688
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: what people tried to be like, and then it just

689
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: became normal because she was so wonderful at it. Yeah,

690
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: that's very true. It's very true. I never thought about that,

691
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's I recently, I mean, I just spent

692
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of time like I was at the Hall

693
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: of Fame, and then I went back and kind of

694
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: deep dove a little more. And it's funny you bring

695
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: her up, and I didn't even know that that she

696
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: would that she's saying the harmonies on that. Yeah, she's

697
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: on the end of it. She's on the bridge and

698
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: the last chorus. That's really cool that she agreed to

699
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: do that. And it was a dog with a bow

700
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: tie for sure, because whatever you wanted for me, if

701
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: you had a dog with Boti picture, I was say, yes,

702
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: what do you need to Kidney? Yeah, absolutely sing it.

703
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely a dog in bow tie. I'm in the Bobby Cast.

704
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

705
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: You mentioned your very first ever performance. You said you

706
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: were twenty seven. Why did it take until twenty seven

707
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 1: or maybe twenty four? I don't even four. Yeah, even

708
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: if you were to say nineteen, yeah, for most folks there,

709
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: And I say this working on America, and I hope

710
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: for four years. I'll be like, I've a waiting a

711
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: whole life for this, And I'm like, bro, you're fourteen.

712
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, your whole life. I got an

713
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: armpit hairs long older than you. So when did the

714
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: music bug bite you? For lack of a better question

715
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: about that. Well, so my performance my first performance I

716
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: mean that with a band, like yeah, but like a

717
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: pay with with a band, where yeah, you're like, this

718
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: is my show. I mean I always have done like stage,

719
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: like stage has always been where I've been most comfortable.

720
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, I did um, you know high school would

721
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: you do? Oh every play that was available and um,

722
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: but even younger than that, like middle school plays. Um,

723
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to do musical theater. What was

724
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: the dream then? I didn't really I didn't really have

725
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: a certain dream. I just knew that my hometown wasn't

726
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 1: where I needed to be to do what I wanted

727
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: to do. Your hometown it wasn't specifically Houston. Did you

728
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: have one of the suburbs? Law View, Texas is where

729
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm from. So Houston's where I was born, and then

730
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: we moved up to northeast Texas like when I was two.

731
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: Got it. So you don't really remember Houston as far

732
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: as like growing up. Yeah, because my whole family still

733
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: lived there, so I went there all the time. Got it.

734
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: But lawn View is very small and and it's very quaint,

735
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: and it's cute, and there's a small little county airport

736
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: and I knew that I needed something bigger than that.

737
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: How did you know that? Why did you know that?

738
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the weird thing. So I have

739
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: a friend actually that passed away last year. His name

740
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: was Heath, and me and him, when we were still

741
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: in high school, we both had this whatever this was

742
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: where we had this like vision of us leaving this town.

743
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: And there was a booking agent over on Gilmour Road,

744
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: a booking agent in my hometown. Like, we don't even

745
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: know really what she booked, like we laughed about it

746
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: as adults, but anyway, he and I went there, I

747
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: think our junior year of high school, and we just

748
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: sat in her office and it was like Joey from Friends,

749
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, with the agent smoking the cigarettes. She was

750
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: literally smoking cigarettes talking to me in Heath and she's like, so,

751
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: do you have a resume, and we're like a resume?

752
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: We don't know. So that was our first experience. We

753
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to her about booking us in movies. Yeah,

754
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: but what was she booking? We don't know. I still know,

755
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: I'm curious, like what was I don't know that either,

756
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: And he's not with us anymore, so we can't even

757
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: really honestly figure it out. But um, she was this.

758
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: It probably was like a casting agency for who knows

759
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: what really, But I mean I remember where it was,

760
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: and it was in this like strip center and we

761
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: go in there and and Heath and I laughed about

762
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: it until you know, the last time I saw him

763
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: was twenty nineteen. We laughed about it then because he

764
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: is he was an actor, and all of his friends

765
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: or actors out in LA and so he was like, hey, yo,

766
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: we're the ones that actually left. We're following our dreams.

767
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: And so he was kind of like my first person

768
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: that gave me the courage to figure out what I

769
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I didn't know what I wanted to do.

770
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: So then when I went to college, I did entertainment

771
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: pr because I thought, well, I'll be a publicist. That'd

772
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: be a great job for me. I'd be great at this.

773
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: But then that didn't work out because I got bit

774
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: by the wanting to do the performance part of it.

775
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: And did you do that at Southwest? No? But productions

776
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: there no, because I was just there to finish school,

777
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: like my parents really wanted me to finish school, and

778
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: I did not want to be there. But I had

779
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: an internship at Lone Star Music and the guy that

780
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: owned the company's name is Chad, and he's in a

781
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: wheelchair and he's a paraplegic, and so he would have

782
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: me go out to the venues to find people to

783
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: put their merchandise on our website to sell artist. So

784
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: I went to this club one night and I called

785
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Chad and I was like, hey man, this guy, Like

786
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: I could do what this guy is doing. I just

787
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: have to learn to play guitar. Chack goes do it,

788
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I mean, like, I have

789
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: to learn to play guitar. He goes do it. So

790
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: that's you know, I just kind of got really interested in, like, oh,

791
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: all these people are they're they're writing songs, they're writing

792
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: stories and then they're putting them to music. And I

793
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: already wrote stories because I'm an English miner in college,

794
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I've written stories, you know for however

795
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: long I've been in college six years. If I can

796
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: just play guitar, I ben I can figure this out.

797
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: So that's when I called my dad, like after I graduated,

798
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: and was like, I can I know I can do this,

799
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: and Paul, my stepdad, that's his name. He was like,

800
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you can do it. It's like

801
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: no question in my mind. Well how long did it

802
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: take you to find it? And obviously your voice and

803
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about your physical voice, but your your voice,

804
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: who you are, what you say, what you stand for musically?

805
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: How long until you kind of found what that was? Initially?

806
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: Pretty much since I started, because I know what I like.

807
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: I've always known what I like, which is classic country music,

808
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard. I love that stuff. Now that

809
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: being said, I really love Tom Petty. I think he

810
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: was the everything. There is a Tom Petty song for

811
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: every situation. And Stevie Nicks. I just feel like it

812
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: is the biggest style icon that's ever walked on the planet.

813
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: And so kind of Lauretta Lens talking about she was

814
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: so ahead of her time. Even now, if her songs

815
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: came out they came out in the sixties, even if

816
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: they came out now, people would still be show I

817
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: mean the pill look, dude, I can't imagine that. Then,

818
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: I know, you know what kind of uproar that calls no?

819
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: I yes, but no, it's I think in my head,

820
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: I do I know but I can't imagine we're in

821
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. You're talking about the sixties, I know.

822
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: Putting that out, I know, I would imagine every super

823
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: conservative and you're talking about a time when everybody's can servative,

824
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: just generally because it was the sixties. Yeah, that they

825
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: had to be shutting doors and no where you're not

826
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: listening to that, yeah, breaking it, turning the radio. That's culture.

827
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: That's as punk as you could possibly be, I know.

828
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: And she was. She she's the one that that spoke

829
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: for all of us. And she's the she's the reason

830
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: that I will write about stuff that's that's taboo. Sure,

831
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: she's the one that told me to write about stuff

832
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: that's taboo. Well, you know, it was not comfortable for her,

833
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: and she kicked down so many kicked up at so

834
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: many doors and down so many walls for other female artists.

835
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because of what she put herself through

836
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: doing that. She's literally the queen for any woman that

837
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: walked behind her. Now that being said, she'll tell you

838
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: that Kitty Wells was the queen that kicked every you know,

839
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: door down for her. And it just shows me that,

840
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: like it's always been a thing with women. It's always

841
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: been a thing. It still is. Oh yeah, yeah, and

842
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: in twenty years it still will be and there'll be

843
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: people like yourself. Like in Katy Walls, you have the

844
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: first number one song as a female artist ever. Is that?

845
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yes, it wasn't Guy Too Made

846
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: Honky tonk Angels was her big and I think that

847
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: was the first. I'd be interested to know that. I

848
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: actually don't know that if I know that, Mike, because

849
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: we were listening to Jake Ohen and I are big

850
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: classic classic. There's classic country, and there's like classic classic

851
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: where sometime people forget Kitty Walls is in that and

852
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: we we were just listening to that song a few

853
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Is that the first it is? I'm trying

854
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: to find the exact song, but she was Katy Walls

855
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: was first woman to have a number one. Well, so

856
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: whenever Luretta died, um, you know, it was hard for

857
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: me to not say, you know the queen, But I

858
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: mean for me, she's my queen um and she will

859
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: always be and I had the pleasure of meeting her

860
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: and she she's the one that gave me so much

861
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: advice about writing and like write what you know, right,

862
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: what you know? It's that simple, right what you know? Really? Yeah? Right?

863
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: What you know? Because if if you know it, then

864
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: there's other women that know it. Sure, So why would

865
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: you hesitate what's saying calling her the queen? Oh? Because

866
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: because she would. She would probably laugh at that and

867
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: be like and say somebody else's She was like, oh, baby, now,

868
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 1: Keaty Whales is the queen, you know, But like, Lauretta

869
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: is my queen, hands down, She's she She kicked down

870
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: every door. Um that I could have ever wanted kicked down,

871
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: because I don't think that there should be any I

872
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: think just because I'm female, maybe it is considered crass

873
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: if I sing about some of the things I sing about,

874
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: or maybe it's considered taboo or maybe like I remember,

875
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: I had a song UM on my label when I

876
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 1: had a label, UM, Big Machine was my record label. UM.

877
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: I remember the the A and R person When we

878
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: were discussing songs to go on my record. She said

879
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: to me, Um, nobody wants to hear from the other woman.

880
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: Someone just want a Grammy. Yeah, Carly and Nashley mcbrian

881
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So I feel like it was just a

882
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: little early, you know, and that's fine, Like I am

883
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: so excited for them like to win that. But I

884
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: mean there's been many songs about that, but I remember

885
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: ply on the same label. Yeah, no, no, no, that's ironic. Yeah,

886
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: but I remember her saying that, and I remember saying,

887
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: like it's country music, like you think that? Do you

888
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: do you think that just because I'm a female, that

889
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna want to hear me talk about that, because

890
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: there are plenty of women over the last ten years

891
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: that have come up to me saying, you know, oh,

892
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: thank you for that song. You know, so it kind

893
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 1: of does sting a little bit. But also I'm so

894
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: excited that there is a time now where there are

895
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: women speaking like that, you know, and saying things that

896
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: I feel like to be said, you know, And I mean,

897
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: we go out, girls go out, girls party. You know,

898
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: it's not like tell me more, do you know what

899
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, it's it's um, especially in this business,

900
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: like you kind of have to adapt and it's a

901
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: it's a male dominated business and you have to kind

902
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: of adapt as a woman in this business. And um,

903
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: A couple of my friends say that when they go

904
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: home to their families that they their their husband will

905
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I see that you've got road mouth, because, like,

906
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: you know, girl, it's like you're in a different world

907
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: when you're on the road and then you go home.

908
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a family at home, so

909
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: like my life kind of just stays pretty consistent. But um,

910
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: that's the joke with them. And but I mean, girls,

911
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: girls have we have things to say, we have things

912
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: to talk about. I know, I do, you know, and

913
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't hold back on those things. And if if

914
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable for you, I'm very sorry, not you, but

915
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: whoever's listening. That's what music is supposed to do, is

916
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: bring up emotions. Right, So if I have a song

917
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: about one of my friends committing suicide, it's uncomfortable for

918
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: me to sing it. It was uncomfortable for me to

919
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: write it. But there have been people that have tattooed

920
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: these lyrics on their body, you know. So it's just

921
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: a very it's a weird dynamic being a woman in

922
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: this business, it really is. It's very interesting to navigate.

923
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: Hank Tye, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

924
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. You signed a

925
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: record deal with Big Machine in two thousand and seven,

926
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: six six, So did you develop a base through the Texas, Oklahoma,

927
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Arkansas kind of area, touring around and that's why they

928
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: found you? Or did somebody hear you and go we

929
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: should sign you. This is the weirdest story and you

930
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: probably won't believe me, but so I was doing music

931
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: down at played at the Poodle Dog Lounge every Sunday night,

932
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: you know where that is Jenny's little Longhorn, all the

933
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: little dives in Austin, played at Central Market, played at

934
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: the grocery store, played anywhere they would let me set

935
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: up my pa and um. Then my fans that would

936
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: come come to these shows, what they would say, like,

937
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: you need to make a CD. I was like, came

938
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: a CD. Like They're like, no, really, you need to

939
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: make a CD. I had no intentions. I wanted free

940
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: beer and burgers, you know, like, and that's I was.

941
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: I was eating for free and drinking for free, and

942
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: like I was living the high life and um. Anyway,

943
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: so I ended up making a CD and somehow, and

944
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: I to this day do not know how this happened

945
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: because I did not even know this guy. My CD

946
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: ended up on Scott Borshat's desk. No clue. How still

947
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like, had not been to Nashville,

948
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: and um, so he sends me a message on my Space.

949
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I own a record label. And I

950
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: was like, this sounds creepy. Sound creepy. Totally sounds creepy.

951
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: It didn't have a picture. It was just like the

952
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: Little Gray Head and I was like, this sounds super creepy,

953
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: but um wow. So I looked up the record label

954
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: he was talking about and I saw that Jack Ingram

955
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: was on that record label. And I've known Jack since

956
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: I was fifteen. So I called Jack and I was like, uh,

957
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: this dude just sends me a message. He's like, Sonny,

958
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: call him back. He's like what are you crazy. He's

959
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's the head of my record label. Call

960
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: him back. And I was like, okay, this is kind

961
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: of weird. So I called him and I was like, hey,

962
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: it's sunny. And he's like, hey, um, could you send

963
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: me another copy of this? Um My wife won't let

964
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: me have this one back, but we would really love

965
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: to see you play. Are you ever going to play

966
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: in Nashville? And I was like, Oh, it's funny that

967
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned that I'm going to play there in like November,

968
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: and this was like July. He goes, we're coming. I

969
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: was like, okay. He goes, can you put us on

970
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: the list? And I was like, which is Billy Block lit?

971
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: It was the Billy Block Show. Do you remember Billy Block?

972
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: He did like A. It was like A, I don't

973
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: even know what. So you did have a plan to

974
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: be here in November though, you didn't make that part up? No, No,

975
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: it was already planned. Yeah, I was coming to the

976
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: Billy Block Show. It was like a showcase. So I

977
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: come to this gig, they come and this was one

978
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: month before I turned thirty years old. And because I

979
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen seventy six, so two thousand and six.

980
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: And at that gig he said, I'd like you signed

981
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: to my record label. At that time, it was Jack

982
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: and Justin Moore and Taylor and like one or two

983
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: other people. And and I said, oh, okay, I mean cool.

984
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was doing. You have

985
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: no like Bobby, I really did not know what I

986
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: was doing. I still don't know what I'm doing. I

987
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: really didn't know what I was doing. That all being said,

988
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: he did everything he said he was going to do.

989
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: He re released my album that I had already put out.

990
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: He didn't change anything on it, he rereleased it regionally.

991
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: I continued touring around Texas and that I jokingly call

992
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: that time because I was there for six years and

993
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: only put out one record, So I call it my

994
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: time on the artist Protection program. Why do you feel

995
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: like that happened? I don't know. I wish that someone

996
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: could explain it to me. He gave me opportunities that

997
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: I never would have had otherwise. He did everything he

998
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: said he was going to do. He he moved I

999
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: think the tragic mistake that happened because I know Scott

1000
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: believed in me one hundred percent. He was like, I

1001
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: really believe in my heart that he believed in me.

1002
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: He moved me over to Republic and the new guy

1003
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: did not like anything about me, and you weren't his

1004
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: find exactly, which happens all the time, all the time,

1005
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: and not just in music but anything creative. Yea, even

1006
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: in sports it happens like a new general manager goes

1007
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: in well gate my quarterback. I'm gonna go get my

1008
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: own guys to get an allogy. Wow, So you get

1009
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: it was that? Yeah, so so I was there from

1010
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and six to two thousand ten or nine

1011
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: on Big Machine, and then Scott called me into his

1012
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: office when Dan said, oh, there's this new sister label

1013
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: we're opening, and I'm gonna move you over there. It's

1014
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: going to be great for you. And I remember the

1015
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: sinking feeling in my stomach going like, no, no, no,

1016
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: I've already put in time with you. I want you

1017
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: to believe in me. And then, as I predicted from

1018
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: minute one of meaning the person that was the head

1019
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: of the other label, he didn't like anything about me.

1020
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: He didn't like my look, he didn't like my voice,

1021
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: he didn't like like my actual voice, he didn't like

1022
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: my songs. I wonder why you get put over there

1023
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: if I don't. It wasn't a conversation, and whomever was

1024
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: running it, I was hoping you would be able to

1025
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: tell me, Yeah, it's weird to me that that would happen,

1026
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: because there had to be a conversation between whomever the

1027
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: governing bodies of those labels are a lot of times,

1028
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, things just happen, you know, like choices just

1029
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: get made, and it was made for you obviously, absolutely,

1030
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: and you know Um, I'm a big girl. I'm I'm okay.

1031
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: Like I survived, I continue to survive. That's my whole

1032
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: thing is survival. What was wrong? What was what was

1033
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: wrong with you? Um? I didn't sell enough because I

1034
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: was country. That's why I got drowned. So your style

1035
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: then was, in my opinion, ahead of its time. I hope,

1036
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: I hope that I would take that as a compliment honestly.

1037
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. You know, people that are so early

1038
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: are often penalized when they're so right and so progressive

1039
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: at the time. But it literally is what's about to

1040
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: be the biggest thing. God, You're you're so spot on.

1041
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: They're often penalized and treated like they're just garbage being

1042
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: thrown out because people don't get it yet. It actually

1043
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: takes other people consuming it over a period of time

1044
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: to go we like it, we get it for even

1045
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: them to go, Oh, I mean, Bobby, I feel like,

1046
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: tell me if you think I'm wrong. People like what

1047
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: they're exposed to for sure, Like it doesn't matter if

1048
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: it's what or what it's like. If you listen to

1049
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: something enough times, it's going to get in your brain right, yes, yes,

1050
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: with the caveat of it just it just can't be bad.

1051
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: Well sure, but yes, anything that is in that upper

1052
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: I've had the conversation with my bosses and I don't

1053
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: program music anymore. I just go. I just try to

1054
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: do compelling content, right, I tried it funny. I try

1055
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: to be compelling in many ways. But I've had the

1056
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: argument with them, like, if you really believe in a song,

1057
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: you just played enough time, it's going to be a hit.

1058
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: That's what I think to you. If you believe in

1059
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: it and and you literally just play it enough times, yep,

1060
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: you can pound it into people's head. So I agree

1061
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: with you in that way. Yes, okay, so that all happens.

1062
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: So this is when Concrete, my album was out with

1063
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: it had like from a table away on there. There

1064
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: was stains worse than Leaving, which I was also told

1065
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: was needing to be pitched to a man, that no

1066
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: one would want to hear a woman sing about leaving.

1067
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: I've made a career on that. Um and then um.

1068
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: The next one that was on the radio was Drink

1069
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: Myself single, which is a bar like honky Tonk super

1070
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: country song. Even for my standards, it's country. So those

1071
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: are my three singles that were out and um, I

1072
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: did not. I didn't. I learn as I go with

1073
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: pretty much everything, and um, in two thousand and twelve, also,

1074
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, the whole New Faces showcase or whatever. So

1075
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. I have no clue

1076
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: what that is at this point. And I know that

1077
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: the labels, the label that I was with, were pushing

1078
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: other artists. I guess the labels kind of barter or

1079
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: not barter, but like guard for a jockey, for a position,

1080
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: they'll put more of their promotion time, money and right. Yeah,

1081
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: So they did that with a couple of artists that

1082
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: were on Big Machine and public and not me. And

1083
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: I had radio people that I had met over the

1084
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: you know year that i'd been on the road promoting

1085
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: my single that I had kind of really liked and

1086
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: like stayed in touch with. And I think I'm pretty

1087
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: easy to get along with and I love meeting people

1088
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: and making friends, and so I had stayed in touch

1089
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: with some of these people. Well, some of these people

1090
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: were calling me, going, why is your label not putting

1091
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: you up for these things? And I was like, I

1092
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: don't even know what you're talking about, but I mean, whatever,

1093
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: you know, it happens. I'm not gonna be mad about it,

1094
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: like my time will come. That's always think that. And

1095
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: so the nomen or whatever it's called come out and

1096
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm on the showcase without anything nothing, no help, no bartering,

1097
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: no nothing, and whatever it's called. And so I remember

1098
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: at that showcase that was when does that happened in

1099
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: the spring? Happens now it's like in two days here

1100
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: or now. Okay, so it's spring. So I remember we

1101
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: did this showcase. It was awesome, and I remember I

1102
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: had already put three songs out and I knew it

1103
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: wasn't doing what they wanted it to do. And Scott

1104
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: came backstage like, you know, oh my god, this was

1105
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: the greatest show I've ever seen. If you play, we're

1106
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna put another single out, And I said, really, like,

1107
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: because I thought I had already kind of felt that,

1108
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: like I have a little bit of discernment where I

1109
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: can kind of read people and feel the next move

1110
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: sort of, and I kind of felt that they weren't

1111
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: feeling it anymore. And so when he said that, it

1112
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of gave me a second burst of energy where

1113
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, maybe this is gonna work, you know,

1114
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: And I got really excited about it, and then he

1115
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: didn't never do it, and I'd asked. I asked about it,

1116
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, we decided not too cool, okay,

1117
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: all right, and then kind of back to square one.

1118
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: Well then two months later he drops me after I've

1119
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: been on the news and the two months later, Yeah,

1120
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: new Faces means that radio label promote that they believe

1121
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: in you and they've kind of annointed you as one

1122
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: of the big new faces, like together that I've never

1123
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: heard of that happening, and then do that show. And

1124
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: then three months after that is or four months after

1125
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: that is when I got the ACM nomination without a label,

1126
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: without a song on the radio. Yeah, that is a weird,

1127
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: like CRS New Faces, big deal, huge deal. Usually people go,

1128
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: we need to invest more in that person because obviously

1129
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: people believe in them. We drop you two months after

1130
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: that ACMs we shall lift you up again. That's a

1131
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: pretty up and down a little span of months there. Yeah,

1132
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: So it was pretty heavy on my heart. I get it,

1133
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, and it was pretty like if I can

1134
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: survive that, that's why I laugh now. When you know,

1135
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: people try to like, um, give you the lowdown on

1136
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: something that's about you know this person you're about to meet.

1137
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: Blah blah. I'm like, I got it. Please, I'm good.

1138
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: I have handled so much worse than this, Like, you

1139
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: have no idea. Do you enjoy playing shows? Now? It

1140
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: is my favorite thing on this earth. I feel like

1141
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: it's almost like when you talk about certain things, your

1142
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: eyes light up, and when you talk about playing now,

1143
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: it's almost like you've been reintroduced to how awesome it is.

1144
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: It is the only thing on this planet. Okay, I

1145
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: play guitar and I write songs. If my entire world

1146
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: is taken away from me tomorrow, my band, my house,

1147
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: my car, you know, my friends, my family. I still

1148
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: have a guitar and I still have a brain, so

1149
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: I can literally do this for the rest of my life.

1150
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: As long as my fingers work and my brain works,

1151
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: I can travel the world and play music. Now that

1152
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: being said, I would much prefer to do that with

1153
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: my friends. You know, we have a great time together.

1154
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: And I'm one of those people that I don't really

1155
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: care if I mean, I do care if it's not

1156
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: a great like crowd, but I I will do the

1157
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: same show whether you're the only person there or if

1158
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: you brought three thousand friends with you. I love my job.

1159
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: I like six friends, but if I had three thousand,

1160
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: we would come. I just don't want you to get confused.

1161
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: I don't have that many friends, have like six friends too.

1162
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: So I was just in theory saying that if there's

1163
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: three thousand people there or three people there, I think

1164
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: starting out in bars with drunks, and you know, I

1165
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: never assumed that. I when I started, I never assumed

1166
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: that would have different kinds of fans. I thought it

1167
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: would be like the one lonely guy in the back

1168
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: and his drunk girlfriend screaming Tanya Tucker songs at me

1169
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: from across the bar, or you know. I thought it

1170
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: would be like the random kind of hipsters that would

1171
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: show up at the carousel. I never imagined that fans

1172
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: would become so instrumental in my life, especially during COVID.

1173
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: These people kept us on our they kept a roof

1174
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: over my head. I am not exaggerating, like I am

1175
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: really not exaggerating. We did they I sold more merch

1176
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: Darren COVID then I probably sold the year before that.

1177
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: People got you, we got you, you know, And I

1178
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: just never figured that. I always knew that fans were

1179
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the only reason that any of us

1180
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: do our job, because if you don't have people listening

1181
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: to you, what happens you don't I don't get to

1182
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: talk anymore. So I'm saying, if I don't have people,

1183
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, listening to me, buying things, whatever, it makes

1184
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: it really hard to do things. So I know how

1185
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: important they are. I never knew how important they are,

1186
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: and COVID really made me see that and made me

1187
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: feel it more than anything, and it is. It is

1188
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: the best feeling on this planet, knowing that there's random

1189
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: people in this world that I've never met, that somehow

1190
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: maybe have been touched by anything that I've done, even

1191
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: if it's just one thing. Right, I used to have

1192
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: guilt about that. Where why Well, and here's the reason why.

1193
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: But here's how I figured out that I shouldn't have guilt.

1194
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: But I used to have guilt because, like the listeners

1195
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: of the show, people who read my books or whatever

1196
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: the case is, they've been so generous with lots of

1197
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: stuff over my career. And again, I'm just a trailer

1198
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: for our kid. I grew up in a really ruled town,

1199
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: didn't have anything, and they would always come to shows

1200
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: or donate to causes that I believed in and using

1201
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,479
Speaker 1: their own time and their own money, and I would

1202
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: feel really guilty for the same reason, going, man, they

1203
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: don't even know me and they're doing this, but they

1204
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: know parts of me that I put out there, and

1205
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: I would go mad, just feel bad that they're doing anything. However,

1206
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: then I started to go, Okay, well, let me just

1207
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: flip the perspective. Here are there people in my life

1208
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 1: that I don't really know that if they were like, hey,

1209
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, there are people that have been an

1210
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: influence in my life that I've never met, and if

1211
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: they were having a difficult time or a different time,

1212
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and I saw it coming from a

1213
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 1: really authentic place, heck yeah I would have. I would

1214
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: have done that for them. So I think that's that

1215
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with heart, your heart too, like,

1216
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: because I have a sensitive heart and I feel that

1217
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: way too. I feel I think that may be actually

1218
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: nail on the head for me. Why I feel that

1219
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: way because it's like I wish that I knew them

1220
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: all by names so that I could do something for them.

1221
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: I struggle with accepting it for a long time. Oh God,

1222
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: even accepting accepting them giving to things I cared about

1223
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: that were like charities. I still was like, that's your money.

1224
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I couldn't believe I feel guilty or

1225
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: even doing it now until I said, well, what I

1226
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: do this for people that have been instrumental to me

1227
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 1: and I would if I had it. Yeah, And so

1228
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes I think will have a black heart,

1229
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: like a deadheart, like there's just a just been through,

1230
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: been through some crap and it's all numb at this point.

1231
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: But that to me was what made me feel like

1232
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: it's okay. I can one hundred percent get behind that

1233
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: because I think that's what it is for me, and

1234
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: like you know, I did. I've done fundraisers before for

1235
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm a huge animal person. I mean, oh god, um,

1236
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: we worked with the Austin Pets Alive on a lee

1237
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 1: me too, Bobby. I mean years and years and years

1238
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: and years and years. So good. Yeah, it's an animal

1239
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: is like a baby and like it's the most helpless

1240
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: thing on this earth. And they don't have a mouth,

1241
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: so they don't have words, so they can't tell you

1242
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: what's wrong. And it's our job as humans, I think,

1243
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: And that's why I feel like I was put on

1244
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: this earth is to figure out a way to help animals,

1245
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: like I just love animals. And I saw this little

1246
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: kittie in Baton Rouge one time and it had been

1247
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: hit back car. Its leg was all mingled, Oh oh no,

1248
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: this is the best story ever. Okay, and my band

1249
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: Sarah McGlocklin starts playing in the background. Go ahead, so um,

1250
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: my band goes. I said, y'all, this cat screaming at me.

1251
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: It's only looking at me. They were all standing there

1252
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: and it's this big, it's like five pounds and it

1253
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: was screaming. And I have video of it that I

1254
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: will not show you. And and I said, if it's

1255
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: alive in the morning, we're doing something. This is on

1256
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: its deathbed. And so these two girls pull up and

1257
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: we don't have any food in our car. We're in

1258
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: the middle of like somewhere, no no gas station, nothing,

1259
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Speaker 1: there's no food. None of us had food ad granola bar,

1260
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: which wouldn't eat. So I asked these girls panicky. I

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01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: was like, hey, do you have any food for this

1262
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: little cat? I think it's about to die. And they

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: gave me a waffle, so I got it some water,

1264
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: gave it a little waffle, broke it up in little pieces,

1265
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: and my drummer called me the next morning at like

1266
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: seven o'clock. He goes, yo, your little friend is still outside,

1267
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, so all right? So I

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: got up and I put on Facebook. Hey y'all, there's

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Speaker 1: this cat. Here's a picture of it. Do what you do?

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Speaker 1: I need. I need a cat rescue in Baton Rouge,

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01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: you know. So within ten minutes this guy has written

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01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: me back. He said, oh, I'm a cat rescue comes

1273
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: and gets it. He goes, man, this cat's on its

1274
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: last leg literally, and I go, yeah, I know, but

1275
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: I can't leave it here to die. It cannot happen.

1276
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: I can't do anything with it. Can you just take it?

1277
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: And he goes, you know what, I'm gonna call Angel

1278
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: Rescue and see if they'll take it. So they take

1279
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: this cat. They called me two hours later and like

1280
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: the cat needs its leg amputated, and I think will

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01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: be good to go. So I go on Facebook and

1282
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, all aren't gonna believe this. Wow,

1283
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: the cat's gonna be fine as long as they get

1284
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: its leg amputated. I was ready to put it on

1285
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: my credit card. Someone started a fun thing for it.

1286
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,479
Speaker 1: Within minutes, I had six thousand dollars for this cat.

1287
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: Long story, short cat is now living the high life.

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01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: It is named Sunny Sweeners and it is living with

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01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: my friend John, who we flew it to DC to

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Speaker 1: live with him. He's now moved to Nashville as of

1291
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: like two weeks ago, but the cat now lives in Nashville.

1292
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: It is the man of the house. It is the

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01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: most gorgeous cat. It has three legs. It walks on

1294
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: a leash outside. It is the most gorgeous story. And

1295
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: we made T shirts that were you know, I have

1296
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: a fan page called the Trophy Room because one of

1297
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: my records it is called Trophy And anyway, we made

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01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: these little trophy t shirts for the cat and we

1299
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: sold those to give the Animal Rescue that did all

1300
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: the work the profits from that and anyway, it's a

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01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: totally story. That's a great story. That's what I needed

1302
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: to hear. Yeah, I don't need a mangle cat legged

1303
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: in like that. Well, last we saw of it mangle

1304
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: then we drove off. Wait what we left it hungry?

1305
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm feel sad after the Sunny interview. Mike, you're headed

1306
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: to Little Rock because you have a show there. I'm

1307
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: gonna just read off some of the cities you're gonna

1308
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: be in, Um, Little Rock, Stonewall, Texas, Albany, Fort Worth,

1309
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Houston, Galveston. We're doing a lot of

1310
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: a lot down there. Huh. Just actually that's weird this

1311
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: month we're in Texas. We're usually not but Galveston though. Oh,

1312
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: we're doing a cruise. That's why so many days in

1313
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: a row. I was like thank four night, or in Galveston, Austin,

1314
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: San Antonio. Listen, you're all over the place. And we

1315
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: had talked about the record and the song with Vince

1316
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: Gill married alone before you came in. And I love

1317
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: Vince Doo. He's the greatest. He's the best singer on

1318
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: the planet. Yeah, he's just in just his presence soft

1319
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: and also not like reading, not a skin presence. It's

1320
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: also like strong and like comforting, and you just know

1321
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: he's seen it all. I mean, he plays his was

1322
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: the Eagles and then he goes to them. I saw

1323
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 1: him with the Eagles at the Irwin Center. I saw

1324
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: him with the Eagles at Bridge. It blew my freaking mind.

1325
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: I know. So you guys check out Married Alone. We

1326
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: talked about it earlier before you were here. But those

1327
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: are a lot of those, if not all of them

1328
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: were unreleased songs that you had had Is that is

1329
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: that right? Or some of them were what do you

1330
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: mean on my album? Yeah? On that married was it

1331
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: all new stuff? That Married Alone? Um? It was all

1332
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: new songs? But had you had any of them written

1333
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: for a long time? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I Um, I

1334
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,440
Speaker 1: have a running list of in my phone of songs

1335
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: that just some of them are fifteen years old. That's

1336
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like you had him for a long time,

1337
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: you just hadn't cut them yet. Yeah. But Mary the

1338
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: oldest song you had on there? Um, like that you

1339
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: held for so long because it meant so much to you.

1340
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: You just could easy. Someday you'll call my name. And

1341
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: when do you think you wrote that? I know when

1342
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: we wrote it, Me and my friend Brittan wrote that

1343
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: in like two thousand and eight. And why did it

1344
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: take so long to cut? Because it wasn't good and

1345
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: so we rewrote it during COVID. We literally took the

1346
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: title and rewrote it during COVID. Well, there was something

1347
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: about it that just the chorus was there and we

1348
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: knew the chorus was good. Um, but I wanted it

1349
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: to be about something else. It was about something and

1350
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: we wanted to change the topic of it and so um,

1351
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: so we rewrote it over zoomed during COVID and the

1352
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: day we wrote it, I was like, cool, that's going

1353
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: on our record, Like, it's so weird how that happens?

1354
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just know. And then um, before it even

1355
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 1: came out, that was in that. Do you remember the

1356
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: movie that came out over the summer called Vengeance with

1357
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: bj Novak? Yes, he's a posts a podcast. Yeah. I

1358
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: didn't watch it, but right, yeah, me too, So it

1359
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: was in that. They put it in that movie. Well,

1360
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: I have to for sure what Mike keep telling me.

1361
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: The movie is really good. It's great. And my dad

1362
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: and I went for Father's Day last year to New

1363
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: York to try back a film festival to see it

1364
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: for the first time. That was like the premiere of it. Huh,

1365
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: how how do you get in that movie? Who pitches that?

1366
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: How's that happened? Um? Somebody hear it. I honestly, it

1367
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: was one of those things where I was like, what's

1368
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: not even out like how yeah on Earth? How on Earth?

1369
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, it just got pitched and the music supervisor

1370
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: liked it and put it in the rodeo scene. So

1371
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty wild. That's super cool. How I was really excited.

1372
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: That's what I would love to get into, is you

1373
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: know that kind of stuff, like get into you know,

1374
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: SYNC and like do um TV and film. I have

1375
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: a friend who is a songwriter in town and he's like,

1376
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just gonna take this year and dedicate

1377
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: it to SYNC. And I was like, so what does

1378
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: that mean. He goes, well, I'll started to create these

1379
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: relationships with these and so he he kills it. Now

1380
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: he writes songs for cruise commercials or movies or whoa, Yeah,

1381
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: that's awesome. He was like, you know, I was writing

1382
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: a lot of songs and some of them would get

1383
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: on hold, maybe one would get cut. Yeah, I'm in

1384
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: a pub deal. And he's like, I'm just gonna write

1385
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: for SYNC for a year. And now it's like five

1386
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: times when he was making and he's also still getting

1387
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: control of his life. Yes he does, and he's got

1388
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: good joal. Yeah, but if you come off the road,

1389
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be the same, you want us down

1390
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: the road. Oh, look, I do everything on the road.

1391
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: Everyone's always like, for since day one, people have always

1392
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, I do, you know, writing appointments when I'm

1393
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: in Nashville or in Austin or whatever. And people are like,

1394
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: when you're off the road or when you're on the road,

1395
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: do you need to like, you know, just be on

1396
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: the road. I was like, no, I do a radio

1397
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: show every morning from the road. I write songs on

1398
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: the road. I've when I'm under pressure, I am a

1399
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: much more like productive person. So the more that I

1400
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: can do. That's why I think I don't mind honestly

1401
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: doing all of the things because freak though I mean

1402
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: probably I am because I'm scared if I don't do

1403
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: it won't get done, and if it doesn't get done,

1404
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: I'll fail. I'll be a failure again. Do you want

1405
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: me to tell you one thing? Though, I definitely am

1406
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: a control freak in it's because it's my name. I

1407
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: want it done right, and I know if I do

1408
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: it, it it will be done right. I have found there

1409
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: is my tour manager now is the first person that

1410
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: I have ever trust did to do certain things. And

1411
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: not only does she do them, she kicks their butt.

1412
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: She is It is like having another brain and two

1413
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,839
Speaker 1: more sets of hand, you know, like she is a machine.

1414
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: She has changed my life so and just so dramatically.

1415
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: And her name is Elisa. If you're listening to Lisa,

1416
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: she is the best thing that's happened to me as

1417
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: far as like being able to delegate something and I

1418
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: know with no question in my mind that it will

1419
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 1: get done properly. And if she has a question, she'll

1420
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: call me and be like, is this how you want

1421
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: it done? Like, actually, no, could you try this? And

1422
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: she'd be like, oh my gosh, yeah, that's perfect. It

1423
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: is awesome. I feel the same way about Mike, except

1424
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't ask me if that's how I want it done.

1425
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: He just does it better than I would have done

1426
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: at the beginning. But I never trusted anybody with anything

1427
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: with shows or anything. I was doing that weird ever,

1428
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, I'm finally gonna give this

1429
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: baby bird to Mike and say yes, but you but

1430
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: you then you see it surviving and then all of

1431
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: a sudden, not only driving, it's flying around and beating

1432
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: people over the head with its wings. Hey I'm here,

1433
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: And then I feel less end because Mike's better than

1434
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: I am. And he's like, well I would do I dodd. Well, look,

1435
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,839
Speaker 1: we've we've been here for hour fifteen minutes. I've enjoyed

1436
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: this so much too. You're just a jar of fun.

1437
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: You just it's so your spirits just there. Thanks, you know.

1438
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm gonna say. You guys, go follow Sonny.

1439
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: She's you know, getting sweenered on Instagram, but you're your

1440
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: own name on TikTok, right, yeah, and Facebook, and getting

1441
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: sweenered is Twitter and Instagram. Yeah, I'm confused, but I

1442
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: got you. It's all on my website. If it's all,

1443
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: it's linked on my website, just because I didn't realize

1444
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: when I made those names that those would be like,

1445
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: I know, so stupid. I wish I could change it now,

1446
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: I know. But it's been years in the making that

1447
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: we finally met. I know the two of your shows,

1448
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: and I've listened to you way before you ever did this.

1449
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: When you're back in Austin and mikel was like, hey,

1450
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: Sonny's gonna be and I was like, really that, I'm

1451
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: so happy, super cool. And then when I saw your

1452
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: stuff with the country to call of fame. I was

1453
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,839
Speaker 1: going to remember to say it, and then I forgot

1454
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: and then we start of talk and then I was like, oh, yeah,

1455
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: that's right, and then it got us on to Dami

1456
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: Lou Harris. This is all kind of happened organically, which

1457
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: is super cool. Yeah, so thank you. You ask really

1458
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: good questions too. I don't know that asks anything. I

1459
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: just kind of live. But I mean, like you, you

1460
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: don't you do ask like the Actually you ask the

1461
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: right things. You ask things that make people want to talk. Well,

1462
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate That's what I When I listened to you,

1463
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh, that question is going to make

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Speaker 1: this person say this. You know, like it's it's good.

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Speaker 1: You're really good at your job. I know you know that,

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Speaker 1: but like it's really fun. Same to you, You're really

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Speaker 1: good at your job. Thank you. So, Mike, anything you

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Speaker 1: want to say, could you teach me how to back

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Speaker 1: up a trailer? Yes, I want to do it. I

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Speaker 1: want to do it on a live feed. I want

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Speaker 1: to do that. I mean I have troubled my forward focus,

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Speaker 1: so I oh no, it's much easier to back a

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Speaker 1: trailer into back a regular car. Yeah, I don't think so,

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Speaker 1: because i'd had I'd pull trailers, boats, mowers, and I sucked.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, I messed up a couple of them.

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Speaker 1: I think I could give you some pointers. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you could watch me and like hit your gate on

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Speaker 1: the way. Hilarious, hilarious. All right, you guys go follow Sonny.

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Speaker 1: Go to Sunny tweeney dot com. The song they just

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Speaker 1: went up, Red Door a Girl. It's in Immlu Harris cover.

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Speaker 1: And then also her album which we just talked about,

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Speaker 1: which came out Middlelisi end of last year September. Yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm Middleshi end of last year. They kind of last

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Speaker 1: that term lash end. Yeah, married alone, and that song

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Speaker 1: also has Vince Gill on it and is not only

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Speaker 1: just the name of the album. Sonny, thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Thanks for listening to the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 1: Share this episode with a friend because they don't pay

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Speaker 1: to advertise us.