WEBVTT - Counterfeit w/ Michael O'Keefe

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 1>These are our stories done done. Hello, Hi, Hi everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kara Klank, I'm Liza Traeger and this is That's

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<v Speaker 2>Messed Up an SVU podcast. Welcome, Welcome, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>tuning in to our second episode of twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>The year has already started out insane, just a full

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<v Speaker 2>terrorist attack at our capital and people are still sending

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<v Speaker 2>work emails.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone tweeted like that's the most American thing ever where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, are we going to be working during the

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<v Speaker 2>coup or.

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<v Speaker 3>What is happening?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but our friend, our friend DJ was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>love how brams are like out of respect, We're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be tweeting today. It's like, just don't tweet,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you don't need to announce that Di Giorno is

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna fucking tweet today.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I think the best thing not the best thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of the funniest things of twenty twenty was

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<v Speaker 2>when Gushers was talking about supporting black lives matter, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, we're gonna join forces with fruit by the

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<v Speaker 2>foot and fruit roll ups to really fight injustice. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do love gushers, that's fucking' I missed Bodega's so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I would get the twenty five cent gushers and Scooby

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<v Speaker 2>Doo fruit snacks on my way home from a night out.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to I guess this is a big difference

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<v Speaker 1>between you and me, But I used to get a

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<v Speaker 1>Ferrero rochet for twenty five cents, like one Ferrero rochet job.

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<v Speaker 4>But I like fer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I like gushers. They just weren't at my bodega.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>One time I had a Ferrero Rochet gelato.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh me too, in Italy and it was mine was

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>We're so cool. Oh my god, we're so international. Well

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<v Speaker 3>we moved pretty fast from the coup.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, no, that was obviously a very harrow yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean honestly, I got like nothing done. I was

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<v Speaker 1>like glued to my phone. I felt sick. We was

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<v Speaker 1>crazy because I felt so happy about Georgia. First thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, I was texting you on our group

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<v Speaker 1>chain with our friends, being like I'm so happy, And

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<v Speaker 1>then we barely got two seconds to recognize this Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>senator and this the first black senator from Georgia being

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<v Speaker 1>nominated in this historic election in Georgia before these insane

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<v Speaker 1>right wing maniacs overtook the capitol.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, we have gotten some messages of

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<v Speaker 2>people being like, you talk too much shit about cops,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>But we did see a video of them taking selfies.

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<v Speaker 2>With terrorists in the Capitol, So yeah, it needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be said.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think a Stabler wouldever fucking do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Benson would be taking selfies with a

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<v Speaker 2>man with what was it cow husks on his head he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was wearing like a Viking hat like he was wearing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what kind of horns those were. But

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that arrests are coming for all of them

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<v Speaker 1>because that was really.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially since we have like a new what is it

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<v Speaker 2>new politicians and everyone coming in. I hope all these

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<v Speaker 2>people get arrested, like someone with their foot on the

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<v Speaker 2>desk of Nancy Pelosi, Like I just I'm staying at

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<v Speaker 2>like my in law's condo, and I wouldn't put my

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<v Speaker 2>foot on this table.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't understand how they do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not married. It's like my sister's husband's family.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what do you call that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was, but that is funny because it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like they're your in laws because they're your sister's in laws. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is weird, and like you're close with them, close

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<v Speaker 1>enough that they're letting you party at their condo all winter.

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<v Speaker 3>By partying, I'm just making green beans alone.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you're having a really healthy new year. You're

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<v Speaker 1>like on a regiment. You're eating well, you're working out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very inspired by you. I'm just getting bigger and

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<v Speaker 1>bigger because there's a child inside of me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and people were so sweet and congrats on your baby. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you everybody. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Of some of my friends that I know that are like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, my friends like contacted me because they.

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<v Speaker 3>Found out on the podcast. I was like, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 3>you had to find out that way. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>In a pandemic, I don't know who, like who I've

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to. I forget who I've texted. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like weird.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>I am I'm I'm on a one on one fitness

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<v Speaker 2>program with Stasia pat Well and I'm basically I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand steps, no booze, no nothing. I've never eaten

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<v Speaker 2>a green bean in my life. I'm eating four cups

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<v Speaker 2>a day. That's where I'm at.

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<v Speaker 3>Four cups of green beans a day. See.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would like this because I like being

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<v Speaker 1>told what to eat, Like not in a nexium type

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<v Speaker 1>of way, but I like being like, if you like layout,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is what you need to eat every day,

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<v Speaker 1>every meal for three weeks and you'll lose weight.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll I'm I get it. I would do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's very Teddy melon Camp. I have to send

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<v Speaker 2>her my steps every day. I have to send her

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<v Speaker 2>every single thing I eat from an app. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she like negotiates, But I also I have negotiated multi

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<v Speaker 2>tricolored peppers into the diet. I was like, I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>keep eating green beans. You have to give me something,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm getting peppers and yeah, no, it's a different

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<v Speaker 2>way of life.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't force this on anyone, but I'm and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not exactly Teddy Melliycamp because it's not five hundred calorisage.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm eating fourteen hundred calories. But I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>let everyone know. Before this, I was eating taco bell

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<v Speaker 2>at least three times a week, pizza puffs. I'm in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to Pertillo's for cheese fries, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely different. I'm eating three fourths cups of Greek

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<v Speaker 2>yogurt a day and it is insane.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It, honestly, That's what Rosie has for breakfast every morning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quarters of a cup of Greek yogurt. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>she has it with honey on it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not allowed anyhow. You can't have that.

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<v Speaker 2>No money I've been I have a sugar free syrup,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's I don't. So it's all about negotiating because

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<v Speaker 2>I have all these things to hit. So I have

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<v Speaker 2>to send her everything every night, and it has to

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<v Speaker 2>be my steps. So like she basically is like night

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<v Speaker 2>or day, snow, I don't give a shit, you better

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<v Speaker 2>get your steps in.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm in the suburbs of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fully snowing, so wet, and the snow wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to end till eleven. At nights, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to go walk in the snow. So I

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<v Speaker 2>threw on some rugs and Adida's running socks and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought they'd be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And I walk for an hour and a half in

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<v Speaker 3>the snow. Come home.

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<v Speaker 2>My toes are fully blue, and I think I have frostbite.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm googling. Googling is not the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I only know two outdoorsy people. One I is

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<v Speaker 2>a girl I have a crush on that lives in Alaska,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not sending her photos of my toes. And

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<v Speaker 2>so then I was like, I got I have to

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<v Speaker 2>message Hannah, our producer, and so I, oh, yes, Hannah's

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<v Speaker 2>so outdoorsy, that's the perfect process. She's just camping constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I texted her in a panic. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I have frostbite. I don't know what to do. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to help me. She's like, I'm pretty sure you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have frostbite.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes right on.

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<v Speaker 1>It was close up pictures of your toes like the

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<v Speaker 1>grasshost photos to ever receive out of the blue.

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<v Speaker 3>I just send, like you need to send like a warning.

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<v Speaker 2>I think before, like, hey, I'm about to send you

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty graphic photo.

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<v Speaker 3>I was terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was like, maybe the socks did bleed

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<v Speaker 2>onto my toes, and so I was like trying to

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<v Speaker 2>rub it off. And then she texted me be like,

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<v Speaker 2>do not rub your toes and I'm like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>already rubbed them and wild I didn't know this, but

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah is Wilderness first Aid certified.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to be as well when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>campaign kind of texted Cara.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, I put my toes in the sink

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<v Speaker 2>and for thirty minutes while I watched drag Race.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't notice when you were walking around that the

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<v Speaker 1>water was like seeping in.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't have a choice. I mean, you walk for

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<v Speaker 3>you have to walk back.

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<v Speaker 1>What am I gonna do you need like winter ass

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<v Speaker 1>boots or if you're gonna wear uggs, which like they're

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<v Speaker 1>barely waterproof, you gotta wear wool socks.

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<v Speaker 2>And then afterwards I was like they're not as blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. She goes and now put on

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<v Speaker 2>socks to warm your feet, and I'm like, good idea,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I didn't even think to put on socks.

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<v Speaker 3>I was still just bare after my frostbite.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did buy six pairs of wool socks and

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<v Speaker 2>I picked up my old sorrel so else. Yeah, those

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<v Speaker 2>are great for my parents' house. So now I'm walking

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<v Speaker 2>in those. But I did have to send her blue

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<v Speaker 2>toe photos.

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<v Speaker 3>Liza.

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<v Speaker 1>I really would hate for you to like lose a toe,

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<v Speaker 1>to frostbite from like a New Year's resolution to get.

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<v Speaker 3>Healthy, not even healthy, to get thin, like to get hot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not even hot. Yeah, it's not even health based.

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<v Speaker 2>It is truly to just get thin from after COVID partying.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I'm gonna fucking lose my big toes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so thank you for texting me. It was an honor. God. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm post COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're married, it's gonna be do I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to party together somewhere, but like I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I want to rave.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going on my walks listening to Britney Spears fem

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<v Speaker 2>Fatale album just like imagining a rave.

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<v Speaker 1>I just, oh my god, Well, we'll save story of

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<v Speaker 1>the time that we basically went to a rave and

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<v Speaker 1>did Molly to.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do we have to save it? No, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to mention this. We can't just meant so.

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<v Speaker 2>Our friend Megan's had a birthday party and we went

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<v Speaker 2>and did Molly in a dance warehouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like a monthly party in LA. That's like

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<v Speaker 1>at a big play. It's really cool and fun. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have done Molly before, but I did. When I

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<v Speaker 1>do it, I just am so happy. But my way

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<v Speaker 1>of being happy is like engaging with other people. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not just sitting there being like feel the music

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<v Speaker 1>and like space out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like talking to Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was a few years ago, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know Lisa as well as I do now, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Where'd you go to college?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like screaming questions to Lisa over this techno music.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like do you have any siblings? Just? And

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<v Speaker 3>Lisa's like can I just feel the music? And like fun?

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, cool, we'll get you up later, like

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<v Speaker 3>so ridiculous. It was so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I finally told you, I'm like, you can

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<v Speaker 2>keep talking to me, just I cannot respond anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>I just cannot. I think I did. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>just kept like saying this. The funny thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Our friend Megan has a podcast and she got this.

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<v Speaker 2>She got a bad review for her podcast, The greatest

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<v Speaker 2>because she revealed that her and her husband did Molly

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<v Speaker 2>at their wedding, and someone said, I supported your podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but now that I know you did Molly at your wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>you're disgusting and decided do.

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<v Speaker 1>It like at the ceremony. By the way, she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>rolling when she said I do.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she did it late late night, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>People are so judgment Kara broke.

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<v Speaker 1>Her knee at that one, and that broke yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>you I had to go to physical therapy. I was

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<v Speaker 1>dropping it low like I was twenty years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, I am not twenty years old. So I

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<v Speaker 1>dropped it low twenty five times and then my knee

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<v Speaker 1>decided to leave the wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>So we will get started.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get going, because we've got a great case

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<v Speaker 1>for you guy, a great episode and case for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're just joining us, this is the first

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<v Speaker 2>time you've ever decided to listen. We talk about an

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<v Speaker 2>episode of SVU, then cover the crime that is based

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<v Speaker 2>on and we get to interview someone that was in

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, let's get into Counterfeit. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting episode from an early season. Basically, a woman's

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<v Speaker 1>body is found raped and murdered blunt force trauma under

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<v Speaker 1>the west Side Highway, like a skiv area where like

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<v Speaker 1>sex workers hang out.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, whenever it's under anything, I think of the

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<v Speaker 2>Chili Pepper song under a bridge, under this bridge, that's

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<v Speaker 2>where crimes happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no bridge that you hang out under. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like people are just having big sales and stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>this woman's name is Paula Grace. They get into the

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<v Speaker 1>back of her car, her trunk like BMW is just

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<v Speaker 1>parked right there with a ton of pills in the back.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a drug called rye Tex.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. One of my favorite things happens in the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the episode.

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<v Speaker 3>It's when like Benson.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, I can't believe I've per missed. This son's

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<v Speaker 1>body is found under the Westide Highway. Benson shows up

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<v Speaker 1>in like a sparkly dress, fresh from a date. No

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<v Speaker 1>fewer than twelve people comment on it, like everyone's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>nice dress.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you know, it's like I love when they come

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<v Speaker 3>from their regular.

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<v Speaker 1>Life, and they do that a lot to Benson in

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<v Speaker 1>early seasons, Like I think they're trying to be like

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<v Speaker 1>she's trying to balance a dating life with her cop life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>But also maybe it was a later date.

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<v Speaker 2>In my head when I think of dates, like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's our generation or this was a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 3>It's casually, you go to dinner, you go for a drink.

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<v Speaker 3>She looks like she's coming from a ball. Yeah, it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>what date is this? This is a fucking New Year's outfit.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's it is truly a New Year's outfit, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's in it for a while, like and every time

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<v Speaker 1>she moves to a new scene like the Emmys, like

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<v Speaker 1>nice dress. Like everyone, I'm like, look, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>wardrobe was just like, hey, is for a day? We

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<v Speaker 1>just put Benson in not a short sleeve mock turtleneck

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<v Speaker 1>and gray.

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<v Speaker 2>Slax like she just wanted to live? Ye Can we

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<v Speaker 2>just have a day where she wears something hot and

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<v Speaker 2>it's Benson if you guys are wondering. She has a

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<v Speaker 2>pixie baby cut with wispy bangs. So that's where we're.

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<v Speaker 3>At with ben That's where we are in the Benston hairtimeline.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So in the trunk of this woman's car we

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<v Speaker 1>find a million dollars worth of this drug called Rietex.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, they find out that the right text is

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<v Speaker 3>not real.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a counterfeit drug that basically her company is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to flood the market with this counterfeit drug so that

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<v Speaker 1>when her company comes up with their drug, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a huge success. And she's about to whistle

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<v Speaker 1>blow on this company with the FBI and reveal all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff that's happening with these fake pills. Meanwhile, she's

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<v Speaker 1>also sleeping with her boss, Regolia, who wants to call Ravioli.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's sleeping with Ravioli. She wants him to leave

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<v Speaker 1>his wife and stuff, and that's just not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's fucked up is everyone keeps calling her ugly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they interview people at the work. Even the guy, the

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<v Speaker 1>boss that's fucking her is like, she's nothing to look.

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<v Speaker 3>They call her mousey. They're being mean, they're being really

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<v Speaker 3>mean to her.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, no one really looked at her ever, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're very vicious, but whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they I think they think that he has

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<v Speaker 1>the motive to kill her. But then suddenly there's a

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<v Speaker 1>second victim, So we kind of are done with this

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<v Speaker 1>storyline with Rogolia. He's obviously going to get turned over

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<v Speaker 1>to the FBI for this drug scam. And now we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to meet this second victim, but she's actually has survived.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name is Francesca Resner, and she says the man

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<v Speaker 1>who attacked her dunt dunt dunn was a cop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and the thing that bothers well, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to get ahead of myself, is finnax a little defensive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and this is season three of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>They're definitely still trying to act like cops do no wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>like cops are the good guys blah blah blah, which

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<v Speaker 1>we all know is a fantasy in this show.

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<v Speaker 3>So we also missed do you want to say our

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<v Speaker 3>MD to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Had one of my favorite lines, and she wrote, no seamen,

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<v Speaker 2>just rough Rider. Oh yeah, and rough Rider is a

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<v Speaker 2>brand of condom in the SVU universe.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's also like even the rough Riders.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, the rough Riders was like a rap group,

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<v Speaker 1>but like rough Riders as a condom name is really gross. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because they kept saying yeah, yeah, it's like that is

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<v Speaker 1>an important detail.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>So Francesca Rusner is the second victim. She says she

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<v Speaker 1>was pulled over breathalyzed, and then the cop said, you

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<v Speaker 1>can have sex with me and I won't arrest you.

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<v Speaker 1>She pretends to pass out. He drags her like away

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<v Speaker 1>from the car and reapes her. She says she wasn't drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>They bring her into the precinct. She was definitely drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>She blew a one point too. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Lot, but finn is it's a lot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they go and they find out where she was

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that night. The bard the classic SVU thing where

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<v Speaker 1>they go have you seen this woman? Show a picture

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<v Speaker 1>and the bartender goes vodka coke. No Ice knows exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what she's been.

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<v Speaker 2>Drinking, and he said it was a party of three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred people over there, So I had of three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>people he recognized this woman and remembered everything. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Why why vodka coke with no ice is the most

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting drink I can ever think of?

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<v Speaker 2>Well except so lady Sonya Morgan, Real Househoves of New York,

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<v Speaker 2>CIRs coke and Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's disgusting as well, Ye, but I would imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that both of those are a little bit chilled. No Ice,

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<v Speaker 1>you want warm coke and vodka. I'm honestly gagging a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit even thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of fucking drag race, gagging and sickening. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even I'm like, wait, what does she mean? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gagging in that way. No, my dad drinks some

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<v Speaker 2>glasses of vodka room temperature, and when we go out

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<v Speaker 2>to dinner or something, he'll be he'll like yell at

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<v Speaker 2>the server and be like, no ice. He thinks it's

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<v Speaker 2>wasting the liquor. Like that, it meant like suddenly there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be less liquor if there's ice.

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<v Speaker 3>That's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Even this is even more psychotic. We would go to

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<v Speaker 2>Giredano's on Monday was half prised pizza night.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad would get a beer sneak in.

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<v Speaker 2>Little bottles of vodka, pour it in and put pepper

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<v Speaker 2>in it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what he would drink with his pizza, with

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<v Speaker 3>his deep Das vodka with beer and pepper and pepper.

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<v Speaker 3>Fucking sick. Okay, never mind, I thought I was really

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<v Speaker 3>going down a road here with the vodka coke, and

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<v Speaker 3>so it's disgusting me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I just got on a tangent of room

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<v Speaker 2>temperature Lennos and the people you love that love them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the only reason I could think of about

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<v Speaker 1>why like he would remember her anyway. They do this

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<v Speaker 1>on countless as episodes where bartenders just remember the order.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't remember people that I like spent

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<v Speaker 1>time with two weeks ago. So all the evidence in

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<v Speaker 1>this case is starting to point to a cop. They

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<v Speaker 1>track down two cops that are anti crime cops.

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<v Speaker 2>And because I also want to say to me, found

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<v Speaker 2>blue fibers, yes, and there were navy blue fibers underneath.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what if you kind of know what the

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<v Speaker 3>episode's about.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like navy blue fibers, like okay, like a uniform

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. And when Lisa says to me, she's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Tamaratuney, who is the yes, so too me suitcases

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<v Speaker 1>found some navy fibers underneath that fingernails. So they narrow

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<v Speaker 1>it down to these two cops, el Marcozy and Roger Graves.

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<v Speaker 1>Graves is a black guy, so he's not the guy

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<v Speaker 1>because the victims said it was a white guy. Marcosi

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<v Speaker 1>is played by a guy who's been on four episodes

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<v Speaker 1>of SVU. They love to use the same people. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't personally like that. I like them to keep it

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<v Speaker 1>separate in the world. I don't like when I see

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<v Speaker 1>somebody as a perp and then I see them come

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<v Speaker 1>back as a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like that. I like it because it's just

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<v Speaker 3>people working. Yeah, it's people working.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's so many actors in New York, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am creating a world in my head and it takes

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<v Speaker 1>me out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the biggest case of that is what's no da

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<v Speaker 3>as a rapist or an earlier episode that killed a stripper.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we disagree, Like I like seeing familiar faces

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<v Speaker 2>and you hate it.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's like a fun thing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I like it's different anyway. So Benson goes to

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<v Speaker 1>visit her old boss, who gives her some intel on

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<v Speaker 1>these two cops. Then Benson and Finn have a fight

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<v Speaker 1>because I think Finn is again trying to be like, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Rat out these cops. Oh, he's being awful.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I don't know if this is the part,

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<v Speaker 2>but when Finn is to Benson is like what side

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<v Speaker 2>are you on? And she yells the victims and it's like, yeah, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>like you have to. That's the whole thing with evidence

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, right, but he.

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<v Speaker 1>Changes as the show goes on, Like later I think

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<v Speaker 1>like Finn is much more open to the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>cops can be dirty, but in early episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very also just for remember one thing that will

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<v Speaker 2>be important later as Francesca said that the cop took

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<v Speaker 2>her driver's license.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, so the person who raped her took her

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<v Speaker 1>driver's license, which is scary but also feels like a trophy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she was saying, she goes he knows where

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<v Speaker 2>I live, right, so iab gets involved.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first appearance of Ed Tucker, who really yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is his first episode. He goes on to be

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<v Speaker 1>in like thirty episodes of SVU. He later is a

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<v Speaker 1>romantic love interest with Benson. His character recently passed away.

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<v Speaker 3>No show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh his character his character, not the actor. The actor

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<v Speaker 2>is Bart Bass, also from Gossip Girl. I still I've

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<v Speaker 2>like hoped to want Yeah, I just I'm glad he's alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, sorry, I didn't mean to tell you he died.

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<v Speaker 3>Tucker died.

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<v Speaker 2>But Tucker like, when I see him, to me, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a lizard, Like I'm like motherfucker. And in the

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<v Speaker 2>real world, I'm like investigate these cops, those shady motherfuckers.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the show, they really brainwash you. When I

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<v Speaker 2>see him, I'm like, let our officers alone. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>so true.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate what he does to me. No, it's so true.

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<v Speaker 1>The show paints i AB as a bad thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of movies do that too, Like

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<v Speaker 1>they paint IAB internal Affairs Bureau. If you're not like

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<v Speaker 1>super up on this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>All they're trying to do is check power.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just trying to check and make sure cops aren't

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<v Speaker 1>being dicks, and they are being dicks, like heads up

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<v Speaker 1>as we've seen. So Tucker reveals to them that Marcosi

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<v Speaker 1>is under suspicion, suspicion of having sex with a sex

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<v Speaker 1>worker for reduced sentence, and that she is missing this

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<v Speaker 1>sex worker, so that is sketchy. They talk to one

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<v Speaker 1>of her friends who tells them all about how Marcosi

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of trying to date one of her friend Raquel,

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<v Speaker 1>the one who's missing.

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<v Speaker 2>And Finn has another awful line here, yes, where he

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<v Speaker 2>goes not on the word of some hooker and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you are working in special victims. Yeah, like you

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<v Speaker 2>can't call her a hooker and not trust her if

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<v Speaker 2>your job is to help her, right, So that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I love Finn, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's some problematic at the beginning. I mean remember

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<v Speaker 1>he was like not cool about a son being gay

0:20:58.040 --> 0:20:59.760
<v Speaker 1>for a minute. So Finn definitely grows.

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<v Speaker 2>Because even the beginning of this episode, he's like jimmying

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<v Speaker 2>a car and they're like, were you a car robber?

0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I was in the Boy Scouts but he

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<v Speaker 2>winks yeah, so you know he has a pass.

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<v Speaker 1>He's as this is also there's another quote here where Craigan,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, says nobody wants the media bad mouthing the.

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<v Speaker 3>Job, and I was just like, Lol, it's twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all people do now is bad mouthed Cops Finn, Benson,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tucker. They investigate Marcosi's locker where they find rough

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<v Speaker 1>Riders mount up. They find the same brand of condom

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<v Speaker 1>that they found in the first victims.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's like a teenage boy and he has like

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<v Speaker 2>sexy women photos in the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, cop locker, He's got like hot babes inside of

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<v Speaker 1>his locker.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really creepy. That's weird to me as a grown person. Well,

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:44.399
<v Speaker 3>they're setting it up.

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<v Speaker 1>They're setting it up that this guy is definitely this

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<v Speaker 1>cop rapist, right, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he has a chain on his neck. He has

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<v Speaker 3>like a gold necklace, so it's like, you know, he's problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, there's a lot of evidence that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to just point to Marco's being a total slime bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he actually talks about how he oaks up with

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<v Speaker 1>sex workers like to get a little extra on the side,

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<v Speaker 1>but I never pay for it.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like he's not an angel for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they invest what is it called when they're

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<v Speaker 2>in the room question, they question him, and he's not scared.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I don't need my union rep. I have nothing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm linked in. So that of course is like you

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<v Speaker 3>know usually.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and we see Huang, we get our our

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<v Speaker 1>buddy be d Wong. Yeah, so doctor Huang comes and

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<v Speaker 1>interviews Mark Cozy. But you're you're just.

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<v Speaker 3>Like not that how they get.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Wong but it's h U A n G. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you sure pretty positive? I don't think it is. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's Wong w O n G.

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<v Speaker 4>Girl.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're making I've seen enough credits. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>b D one that's because it's B. D.

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<v Speaker 3>Wong. Yeah, his last name is Wong. He's George Wang

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<v Speaker 3>on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never honest here, if someone put a gun to

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<v Speaker 2>my head, I'd be like, his name is bea dy Wong.

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<v Speaker 3>I would don't care. I would hate to see that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so is being such a fan and I had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that that was his name.

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<v Speaker 1>How you spell it? Yeah, but you're still saying it

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<v Speaker 1>the right way. There's just spell different ways. It is

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<v Speaker 1>BD Wong with a W. We have to cut all

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<v Speaker 1>of this.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we don't.

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<v Speaker 2>That I mean, yeah, no, we don't say my face.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe that I didn't. So it's George.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's George Huang. Did they call him George?

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<v Speaker 1>Not really, it's always pretty much Huang. But it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>that you thought that I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Just making up this pronunciation of yeah. I thought you

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<v Speaker 3>were trying to be like, you know, rolling your rs

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<v Speaker 3>and you're like when I speak Mandarin, and I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>letting you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, okay, I also just learned that too.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. I was like, am I wrong? I had

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<v Speaker 3>to google it to like for myself. Saying it like

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<v Speaker 3>you sounded like a Hebrew accent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like hung yeah, no, I'm not trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>like a Rachel kind of thing, which is my Hebrid name.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So another woman then comes forward saying that she saw

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<v Speaker 1>the story of a rapist cop in the paper because

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>it did leak, as it always does, and Huang breaks

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it down that like, it's like, whoever this cop is,

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.240
<v Speaker 1>It's like the badge gives him power and the gun

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<v Speaker 1>and it's all about control and he keeps the licenses

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<v Speaker 1>as trophies.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Finn and Benson go to speak to Francesca, the

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>second victim, and guess what, she has been taken away

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<v Speaker 1>by a cop.

0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 2>But it's not them, and the neighbors all watched and yeah,

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:30.680
<v Speaker 2>everybody watched and was like, yeah, good thing.

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.400
<v Speaker 3>The cops took her in, like it was weird. There

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 3>was a shocking. It's like she's a party girl.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean she should be dragged by the police

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<v Speaker 2>screaming right, So basically because they also, this is so

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<v Speaker 2>messed up. I don't even know who this is, but

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote perfect messy bun.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh the third victim. The third victim has a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect messy bug. Yeah, I noticed that as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>the third victim who came in and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw his face, so she can't really identify

0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.119
<v Speaker 1>him either, but she's definitely like it all happened in

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the same exact way. This is clearly just showing a pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>So they cut mar Cosey loose because he was in

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<v Speaker 1>custody when Francesca was taken away, so it's like he's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly innocent.

0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 3>And we find out the guy's dick doesn't work properly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we find out that the perp who is doing

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<v Speaker 1>this is like sometimes having a problem with erections and

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<v Speaker 1>then he will slap the victim or something do something

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<v Speaker 1>violent to like get going again, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not terrifying.

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Plugged you, I have an old old joke where I

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 2>say all the world's problems are caused by weird dickt men. Yeah,

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 2>and SV proves it down and time again. Very true.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So they start to go check out maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>is a person who isn't a cop and is posing

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<v Speaker 1>as a cop. So they go to like these stores,

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<v Speaker 1>and how does the NYPD gear because they cross reference

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the receipts from this guy's like fake uniform store with

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<v Speaker 1>a car because MARCOSI had seen a car.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he's got a comrcial license plate.

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<v Speaker 2>These people, I bet you're listening and you're confused, and

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<v Speaker 2>I basically you know how he was denying being there,

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<v Speaker 2>and then while he's being interrogated, he admits that he

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<v Speaker 2>was there but driving away and then saw someone.

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he thought it was his boss.

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but it wasn't his boss because he ran the

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<v Speaker 1>plate later and the plate was a cop type of car,

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 1>but it was not a police issued vehicle. And that's

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>how they find this guy, Jeffrey Trapani. So they cross

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<v Speaker 1>reference it with the records of the store and they

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<v Speaker 1>find this guy who's bought like the cop light, the badge,

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>like the whole outfit whatever. And they they find this guy.

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>He works for the city doing like trash pickup. They

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<v Speaker 1>follow him to a cop bar where he's having a drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Then this is one of my I love when they

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<v Speaker 1>do this shit killed it. Finn and Olivia just sit

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<v Speaker 1>next to him and have a loud conversation being like

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.119
<v Speaker 1>we're getting kind of close on this case, and like

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 1>just drop a bunch of hints, and then they follow

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, they're basically implying, like, he better better kill

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 3>this girl because if she because she turns up, we're

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:56.120
<v Speaker 3>going to find him.

0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.440
<v Speaker 1>So they follow him back to his like layer where

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.119
<v Speaker 1>he has Francesca tied up and he's got all of

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the licenses of all his victims like.

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Taped to the wall, and they arrest him. And there

0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 3>were a lot of licenses. Yeah, there were a lot.

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 3>There were a lot. There were at least a dozen, So.

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>He probably cut a lot of women. I mean, that's

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the thing. It's like he wasn't a real cop and

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that was upsetting. But I think a point of this,

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 2>and like with the ideas, is that the women probably

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to come forward because he was a cop.

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 2>And being a cop, it's like people are going to

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 2>trust you enough to pull over, yeah, and then you

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 2>can abuse your power. But it's this thing where because

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.400
<v Speaker 2>you're in a uniform, people will open the door to.

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>You and we're going to get into it like what

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 1>it's based on. But there are some I mean, most recently,

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the Golden State killer was discovered and he was a cop.

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of things that the cops are doing

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 1>messed up, and one can be just committing crimes outright

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and using no I.

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Haven't all caps in my notes while I was watching

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 2>that episode, like I am livid the cop wasn't guilty,

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Like I was so mad. But you know, we watched

0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 2>the show for the twists and turns.

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because MARCOSI still needs to be disciplined for

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>having sex with sex workers, like to lower their sentences

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 1>or let them off like y's not okay, Yeah, so

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break and then I'm excited for

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 1>you to tell me everything about the real crime this

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>was based on.

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we are going to be talking about the true

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 2>crime of counterfeit, and it's a wild one. I watched

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>The Forensic Files, another amazing crime show, and it's the

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>base of Forensic Files is about evidence, and there was

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of evidence in this case, a lot of

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>amazing detective work. So we're going to get into it.

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 2>Good news up top that's different from sview. I don't

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 2>know if it's good. The cop is guilty here, so

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>there's no games and the cop is so so bad.

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>So basically what happened there is a woman Karen Notts

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Justice for Care with a C.

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 3>So do you still like her? It's the same name though.

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>So she was like beautiful and young and had like

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>budding environmentalist.

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 3>They said she was studying to be a teacher.

0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>She was in track and field, worked at the zoo

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>active like just a really seemed like an effervescent girl.

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 3>This was in southern California, right, yeah, in San Diego.

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 2>The bad guy's a California Highway Patrol hr chips. Yes,

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 2>And so basically her boyfriend, also a hot guy, he

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>had the flu, and so she decided to drive to

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 2>his house be a good girlfriend, you know, take care

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>of her boy with the flu. And she called her

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 2>father at around eight pm and let him know I'm

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 2>coming home. So then after a few hours, the dad

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>knew something was wrong and he something in his gut

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 2>was like I need to go look for her. And

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 2>he went driving and driving around and he found the car,

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>her body and nothing was there.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 3>So the car was in what the cops called the tombs.

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>And it's like underneath kind of like in the SVU

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 2>episode where it's like under an exit ramp on the

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>highway that leads to nothing. It leads to like a

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.680
<v Speaker 2>dead end, and it is creepy, dark, eerie there. It's

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 2>not like a cool place. The cops come and like

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 2>from the car. What was weird was the door was

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>open and her purse was on the sea. So that's

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 2>of course horrifying. Like once you know, she was dragged

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 2>out of the vehicle or taken out and they ended

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.320
<v Speaker 2>up walking and they found her body at the bottom

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>of a bridge, so right nearby, nearby seventy feet away.

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, So seventy feet away there was like a bridge.

0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 2>They looked and she was below and the dad was

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 2>still on the crime scene because he found the car,

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 2>and he said.

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 3>That's brutal.

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>They said, like when the cops were coming to him,

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>he just knew and this is like pretty sad. But

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 2>his response when he found out to the cops, the

0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>dad said, I wish you could have known her. She

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 2>was an angel. So that was upsetting. And of course,

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, the motive wasn't clear. Nothing was clear about this,

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>and the biggest question for the police were what made

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 2>her pull over here?

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 3>What made her go over there?

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>And obviously because we know what's about to happen, we

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 2>know it's the cop, so that was hard for them

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.719
<v Speaker 2>to figure out. And like Finn Toutuola, this cop and

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>this forensic files that keep being interviewed, and he keeps

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 2>being like, I didn't think it was him, and it's

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 2>like more and more evidence. He's like, I couldn't believe it,

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I said, and then it's like you were wrong, Like

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>so he you know, there was a true life Finn

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>in the situation. But yeah, so there's no clear motive,

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of evidence. They do find a

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 2>yellow fiber and that is it. There was no evidence

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 2>of sexual assault, but strangulation bruise.

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 3>On so that was the cause of death, is trigulation. Strangulation.

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 3>There was a bruise on her.

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Face and no sexual assault, so that's you know, different

0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>from SVU. Then they found evidence of her filling up

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>her gas tank at the chevron. Okay, so they do

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 2>have a run video and everything seemed kosher. There was

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 2>nothing weird happening at the gas station. But at the

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 2>crime scene there were two suspicious SAPs. There were two

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>suspicious skid marks. Apecials had suspicious skid marks is like

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 2>a that sounds like a way to warm up in

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 2>theater cars.

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So they found two of them and they couldn't

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>tell if it was breaking or accelerating or whatever. But

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:28.719
<v Speaker 2>the space between the tracks was fifty three inches, so

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's like a big gap.

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 3>So they assume it's a big car.

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 2>So I just I love evidence based information like this,

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Like I just I think it's so magical. My favorite

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:44.719
<v Speaker 2>doctor Michael Baden. I love doctor Michael Bodden, legendary forensic pathologist.

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>He always says forensics is the dead communicating. Yeah, It's

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 2>like I just got chills thinking about it. It truly

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>is like the dead somehow helping find their killers. Yea.

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 2>And so it's really beautiful. So they said it was

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>a big car. It had to be someone they trusted

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 2>since she pulled over. So at first they didn't think copp.

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>They thought boyfriend. Oh so boyfriend, yeah, because he was

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>the last one that saw there was no evidence. But

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 2>the sister lived with him and was like, no, I

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 2>was with him and it just didn't add up, and

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 2>he would be at the chevron like it just it

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't him. But the cops were like, we only had

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>his word that she didn't leave the house, and it's

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 2>like we also have her on tape at the chevron.

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 2>But okay, okay, but sure, guys, so then after this case,

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>it obviously is upset, you know, shocks shock waves, like

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck this is scary. She was young, like blonde,

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like she just had everything of like a classic victim

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that would get media.

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 3>A lot of media. So Craigpyre a chip.

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>He goes on the local news to do a segment

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>about how women should protect themselves from this happening to them,

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, from that, floods of

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>women start calling being like that creep pulled me over.

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>And so all of a sudden, thirty women call like

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the police department in the news, and like, there's a

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 2>hubbub that this guy, Craig Pyre, who put himself on

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 2>TV to do a segment how not to get fucking

0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>taken and assaulted by strangers on the road, is a

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.959
<v Speaker 2>person that now all of these women are calling, going

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I recognized this fucking crazy.

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.439
<v Speaker 1>And when he pulled those people over, those women over,

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>what did he do?

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 2>So this is what's crazy. There was no physical violence

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.399
<v Speaker 2>or touching on any of these women. He just sat

0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 2>in the passenger seat and spoke to them inappropriately.

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of sexual language.

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>He was trying to get dates, right, Is that what

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.439
<v Speaker 1>I read something that he was trying to like date

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>these women. So I think he was like talking to

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>them creepily and hoping one of them would be like,

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I like.

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 3>This, but guess what.

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, it was kind of hook speed dates, I

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:52.399
<v Speaker 2>guess yeah. And he took them to that particular off right.

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 2>It was like the same off ramp. I think that

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>was his favorite off ramp. It went to nothing, and

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.919
<v Speaker 2>so they all went there. So obviously a connector. But yeah,

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 2>these women said that he would just ask questions and

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:05.919
<v Speaker 2>say in appropriate sexual shit.

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 3>But that's it.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 2>That date thing actually makes sense because he's obviously a

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 2>fucking weirdo.

0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Fuck in the real world, I can't figure it out.

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 2>A weird dick man, for sure, a weird dick man.

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.800
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, So then they go to his logs and

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>in the logs it says that he was somewhere else.

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Then they dig deeper there are race marks. Oh, so

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 2>like where that log that kept put him somewhere else?

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 2>There wasn't any race mark in there, so that's something

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 2>to investigate. So they questioned Craig Pyre. Obviously, all these

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.879
<v Speaker 2>women called it's the same off ramp like everything's trying

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>to make starting to make sense, except to this one

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>chief who goes, I don't know, I think Craig is great.

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 2>So while they're questioning him, they see that he has injuries. Yes,

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 2>scratch marks, right, yeah, scratch marks, and he blames that

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 2>he ran into a fence and he named specific fence

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 2>and they're like the fence height and what you're saying

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 2>does not do not add a yeah, And that's the

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>thing with the cop. It's like you should be a

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>little bit better about getting away with this crime and

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 2>also bad to the cops, where it's like, why didn't

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you see that you're this guy is a fucking freak,

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, probably because they're all freaks.

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 2>But so he's being questioned, they know that there's he

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 2>denied all of it, and he willingly turned in his uniform.

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 2>So we go to John Simms, who's a criminologist, and

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 2>he is looking through the uniform, you know, microscope figuring

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 2>it out, and it hits him that in the evidence

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>bag there was a yellow fiber that matches the badge of.

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 3>This police uniform.

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.720
<v Speaker 2>And so they do a test and they the jobs

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 2>are insane. So we go to this next guy, and

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 2>it's senior research microscopist.

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's a wild job. That is a world What

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 3>does that mean.

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>He's the head of microscopes, microscopist bhierroscopist.

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so his name is Skimmed.

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 2>And there's another skin too, but who has a different

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:02.319
<v Speaker 2>crazy job.

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 3>We'll get to it.

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>But the other Skip is a forensic undentologist.

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh like dental stuff. Oh, dentology. I'm glad you know

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:09.919
<v Speaker 3>it all.

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>So we go to Skip, who's the professor wizard of microscopes,

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 2>and he sees that the.

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Yellow fibers are the same.

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Of course that could be circumstantial eminence and the police

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 2>chief guy, I don't I didn't even write his fucking

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>name down. He still doesn't believe it. So he brings

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 2>in a ton of other uniforms and those yellow fibers

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 2>do not match. So this is like an exact match

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>of the yellow fiber from his uniform that was found okay,

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>with her also.

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 3>On his uniform.

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were purple fibers from her slamants on him. Still, Yeah,

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 2>purple fibers were found on his shit. They were an

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 2>exact match for Kara's sweatpants.

0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 3>Whoa.

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>They must have closed in on this like pretty quickly,

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>because it sounds.

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.279
<v Speaker 3>Like, oh two weeks. Yeah, it took to it.

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 1>It has happened in the next day, we say an SVU,

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 1>where like nothing goes this quickly in the law and

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:04.879
<v Speaker 1>order like world, but.

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 3>In this case, it seems like things move when.

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Everything's in duck center and they want to solve it. Yeah,

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, and you know she was visiting her boyfriend

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 2>like full sweatpants. That's a that's a that's a girlfriend

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 2>not fit, that is a wifey outfit. So they sprayed

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 2>his car with loo min all to check for blood.

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:25.919
<v Speaker 2>There was nothing, but they did find yellow rope underneath

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>the spare tire and that is that's the rope. So

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 2>one of the skips asked to look at the rope.

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Skips Berber, I don't know where all these skips.

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>You have to be a forensic got ontologist if your

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 1>name is Skips Berber.

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 3>That's like the rules. I feel like God, I just

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 3>want to find forensic love. Okay.

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I would love or hate dating

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a forensic person, but it.

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Is they would hate it because you would ask a

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.320
<v Speaker 1>billion questions every day, like tell me about the trace evidence.

0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Did you find a partial like you would?

0:38:59.320 --> 0:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I there was one blood splatter analyst at my show

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>once in San Diego, actually at the La Joya comedy store,

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I bothered him for a while afterwards, because

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, I do jokes about forensics.

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 3>I love it. And he goes, guess what they also

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 3>say blood spatter is bullshit? Now it is.

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 2>He did other blood testings, but yeah, they said blood

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 2>dexter's job is bullshit, not real.

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>So the rope has like traces, like it's what you

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 1>was used to strangle her.

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, they also find a tiny drop of blood

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>on her shoes. Oh but the DNA this is in

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the eighties, the DNA technology was not there yet, but

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 2>they of course kept it and it's sealed, and you know,

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 2>they kept it and that's going to be important later on. Also, again, circumstantial.

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 2>A lot of this evidence was circumstantial and not to

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.520
<v Speaker 2>like there was a mistrial. So the first time he

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.720
<v Speaker 2>was tried mistrial, and then the second time they hired

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 2>a new prosecutor from like a different state to come

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 2>and like the jury was more evenly split with the genders.

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 2>But there was a mistrial because the evidence is circumstantial.

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 2>So the blood type they found was AB and it's

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 2>super rare and.

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.799
<v Speaker 3>It's his broll. My daughter has a b really yeah.

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>And you love to give blood, so I'm sure Ray

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 2>will be giving you yeah to the moment she can

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 2>all do you have to be?

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 3>I think too for people that don't know, Kara is

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 3>really a member of the community. You help the community

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.799
<v Speaker 3>a lot, thank you. So yeah, he's a thirteen year vet.

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:30.080
<v Speaker 2>He got charged with first degree murder and it's like,

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 2>how did the cops figure this? Yeah, which is like

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 2>so fucking weird, it's sad and fucked. And the skid

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 2>marks were equal to his car, yeah, obviously a police car.

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And they figured out that the bruise on her face

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.880
<v Speaker 2>was a flashlight, a police flash light the same size

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 2>against again circumstantial.

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 3>They couldn't put it.

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>But the Marx left are the marks that would have

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.839
<v Speaker 2>been left by a police flashlight, and you know those

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>are fucking.

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 3>Heaviest, Yeah, like a light. Yeah.

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 2>So the prosecutors think he like saw her pumping gas,

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 2>was intrigued by her, followed her and then.

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Pulled her over.

0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 2>And she wasn't timid and she didn't want it, and

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.280
<v Speaker 2>I think she like fought back a little or didn't

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 2>want to exit the car, like, just didn't give him

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>what he wanted in whatever way. So they think that

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>he hit her and then she passed out and then

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.479
<v Speaker 2>he realized, oh, she can id me. Yeah, so while

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 2>she was unconscious, he strangled her with the rope.

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 3>The fucked up thing.

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, they didn't find any fibers inside the cruiser.

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>He put her on the hood of the car and

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 2>drove to the bridge and flung her off, so you know,

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.240
<v Speaker 2>calculated and them.

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very fucked up.

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 2>But she didn't have to die. It was just because

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:47.959
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to keep his job. He loved being a cop.

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Like that's what all of the coworkers said that he

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:52.879
<v Speaker 2>was upset. I think that's what we're finding. If you're

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 2>a cop, you should not want to be a cop,

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 2>then you could be good, like if you always wanted

0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 2>to be a cop.

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 3>There something is something that something's hinged in there. Yeah.

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 3>They said that he had a hot pencil, that he

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 3>loved it.

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Like ever, his whole identity was being on what hot

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>pencil mean like that he was ready to write it tickets,

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 2>He was like handing tickets to.

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Everyone he could and so hot pencil pyre.

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he could have left it. He just didn't want

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 2>to lose his job. So it's like it's so fucked up.

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.759
<v Speaker 1>You lost your freedom, and like you're you were not

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 1>good at hiding it for the fact that you are

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:25.720
<v Speaker 1>a cop and you should know about this stuff.

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just so fucked up that all of it's fucked up.

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 2>But he could have left turn to live.

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I yeah, he could have.

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I honestly, this sounds terrible, but I feel like he

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>could have like framed it that she tried to attack

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>him and that he did it in self defense. Like

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:41.839
<v Speaker 1>then it's just he said, she said, and she gets

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to live, you know, yeah, Like did he always have

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 1>it in it is his first victim? Like we don't

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 1>even know.

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:50.879
<v Speaker 2>And then also like all those other thirty women could

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:52.880
<v Speaker 2>have said something too, like why wasn't he ever scared

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 2>of that that's going on the.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Ailes when so many women that no one would report

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 1>it or like get a badge number, but that's also

0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>the eighties or for them today, Like I mean, I

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.880
<v Speaker 1>definitely would be like what's your badge number? Like you know,

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a cop getting in your car is creepy, you know, and.

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Then like some of the advice he was giving on

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the news was like if you're about to be pulled over,

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>or maybe it was something else I saw, but like

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>you ask them to call more hell, like you don't

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 2>get out, like you call the police and you double

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.600
<v Speaker 2>check or you're like, yeah, you send the chip like

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>more police over, like if you want the guy was

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 2>the fake cop, Like the fake cop pulls you over

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 2>and you don't know, you could be like you should

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 2>call NYPD by like make sure I don't know what

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 2>it is.

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean back to the episode a little bit. It

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.719
<v Speaker 1>is like kind of I've talked to cops a few

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:41.359
<v Speaker 1>times in my life.

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 3>I've never been like, show me your badge. Is this real?

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Like if someone's dressed in like a good enough outfit, right,

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's like scary to when.

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 2>I think about hocus Pocus when the kids start talking

0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:55.240
<v Speaker 2>to a cop on Halloween and it was a fake cop.

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's a monumental moment, how much

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.799
<v Speaker 2>crossover there is with true crime and focus, but.

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 3>I'll probably a lot.

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so it's all pretty upset, you know. Cara

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:07.879
<v Speaker 2>felt threat and trying to go he hit her. It's

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 2>just it's really awful. And they mentioned how it's interesting

0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 2>that one yellow thread from his patch, this kind is.

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Why he got his nail in his coffin kind of yeah,

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>but then can you're probably gonna get to this. But

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I was reading a little bit about this case that

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>he's been up for parole several times and he's offered

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>and they've offered him to submit his DNA and he

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 1>denies it.

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>He's still maintains his innocence, but he won't give DNA. Yeah,

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 2>so they have the blood from the boot, right, So

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 2>he keeps.

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Saying he's innocent.

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>So they're like, listen, dude, we got the DNA, Like,

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 2>give us your DNA and we'll clear it.

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 3>And he's like nah, Yeah.

0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 2>So he's obviously guilty because who wouldn't use new technology

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.279
<v Speaker 2>to clear their name and get their job back. And

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>you could probably sue the state, you know, like you

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.280
<v Speaker 2>could do so much. And he got twenty five years

0:44:58.320 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 2>in prison, but.

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 3>He keeps getting denied parole.

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he's been up for a bunch of times,

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>like in the past ten years.

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 3>I feel like and he's not it's.

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 2>And then this is a nice sad ending. The dad

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 2>was visiting that spot and actually had a heart attack and.

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Died, And on the spot where she died, yeah.

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Like a few feet away there. They set up a

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 2>bench and garden there, and they up kept. They do

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:26.439
<v Speaker 2>up keep to it because they love, love and miss

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 2>their daughter so much. And he was there visiting and

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 2>had a heart attack and died, and.

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 3>He just was going to join her, yeah in heaven.

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So if you lived in that case, I mean,

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what he as he gave. I don't know

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.399
<v Speaker 2>what I would do if I was like on and

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:45.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's also different. Like if let's say I'm speeding

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:47.799
<v Speaker 2>on a highway. There's lots of cars, I see a truck,

0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.439
<v Speaker 2>there's a McDonald's one hundred feet away. I'll pull over.

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll give me a ticket whatever. There's like lots of evidence,

0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 2>there might be cameras. I because of shows like this,

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I and because of you know, looking at all these crimes.

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 2>I think if it was nighttime there weren't a lot

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of cars, I would not stop. Yeah, I think I

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 2>would call the police on my phone and be like

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:09.879
<v Speaker 2>someone's trying to pull me over.

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't trust it.

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 2>It seems weird or like going off of a highway,

0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:14.719
<v Speaker 2>But that's what that's the trouble is like we're taught

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>to trust law enforcement, right, and it's dangerous and I

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.440
<v Speaker 2>want to know the fucking laws and rules of these

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>costume stores uniforms. I know, were you in high school

0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.080
<v Speaker 2>and like scrubs were in or maybe you were in college.

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Scabs were huge, and.

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>So remember Dirty John he was just wearing scrubs all

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:35.399
<v Speaker 1>the time.

0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he was trying to be a doctor. No,

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 3>he was.

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 1>He was claiming to be an an aestesiologist. Yeah, he

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't work, I know.

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 2>But if I just wore scrubs to classic, I wasn't

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to like lure a woman with money to fuck me.

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I was just trying to be hips. So I remember

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 2>going to those stores and be like, how.

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 3>Do you know?

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that is weird, Like even like a nurse, Yeah,

0:46:57.600 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. A cop is a really messed up

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 1>form to sell A lot of the Army Navy. They

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:04.680
<v Speaker 1>sell like army stuff, but it's all kind of like

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 1>just camo stuff. It's not like anyone's trying to like

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>go run and impersonate a military person.

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And like get into a war. One time I went

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 2>to the US Army Navy store. I called them and

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I was looking for Soviet shit for my dad and

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, hey, do you have any Soviet shit?

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 3>And they were so offended, and I was like, oh,

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.839
<v Speaker 3>this is aus military. I thought that I have lots

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:28.440
<v Speaker 3>of crap.

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 2>From everywhere, and yeah, I just got hung up on

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:31.720
<v Speaker 2>in like a very aggression.

0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Well I think that's because you were thinking of it

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 1>as more of a costume store and they were thinking

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.720
<v Speaker 1>of it as like a lifestyle store.

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were really mad about that. Yeah, so that

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>it is a really sad crime. You know, don't trust

0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the police.

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.879
<v Speaker 1>I will actually say I was recently pulled over by

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 1>a cop on my way to Colorado.

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 3>I recently drove to Colorado. I was pulled over in Utah.

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:51.919
<v Speaker 1>The speed limit was eighty and I was going faster

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 1>than that and I got away with a warning, and

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.319
<v Speaker 1>I had weed with me, and I just was never

0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:59.359
<v Speaker 1>scared for a second because I was like, oh, I'm

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 1>a white woman, like, and I just feel bad that

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:04.800
<v Speaker 1>that's not the experience stuff like any person of color

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 1>in this country.

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 4>No.

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I was online today and there's like a young black dude,

0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 2>and he invented like this red little pop up folder

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>that you hang on the outside of your window that

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 2>has your insurance and all the documents, and it has

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 2>like a clear thing to put your license to them.

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 3>By the time the cop comes.

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you don't even have to open the window and

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 1>do any oh, and.

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 2>Then the cop can see where your hands are. It's

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>just like sick that this is an invention that needs

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 2>to happen. And I the thing is like, it doesn't

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 2>matter what black people do if the goal of the

0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 2>cop is to kill them, right, you know, like it

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.799
<v Speaker 2>doesn't because there's been so many instances where black people

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:47.240
<v Speaker 2>are fully doing nothing and what's it called complying complying

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:52.040
<v Speaker 2>and still get shot and killed and murdered. So it's like,

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 2>hopefully that helped, but it's like they have followed rules

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and been killed before. And you know, I'll be on

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I've been arrested a few times my early late teens

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.839
<v Speaker 2>early twenties before I was even twenty one. But I

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 2>was driving drunk all over I would and looking for

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Burger king.

0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 3>No, So I was like a Mennas.

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I shove, I screamed, I would banged my head on

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:19.719
<v Speaker 2>the fish tank, like I said awful things to them.

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:21.879
<v Speaker 2>One time I was arrested, I went limp. They put

0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:24.759
<v Speaker 2>handcuffs on me and I went boneless. I went boneless

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 2>and they had to drag me. I was just I

0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 2>shut doors. I hit a cop like I truly was

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 2>a fucking monster.

0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:35.720
<v Speaker 3>And nothing happened to you. I served two days in jail.

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 2>No in terms of getting correct, like assaulted correct because

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:40.479
<v Speaker 2>I do.

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Fight with family that are not agreeing with me on

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:48.839
<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff. And that's like what I always say,

0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 3>I go.

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine if that day that cop decided to

0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 2>shoot me, and everyone on television and on the internet

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 2>was saying I fucking deserved it because I was a

0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 2>dumb bitch and that I deserve to die, and they

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 2>usually go silent there, but it's fucked up.

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.399
<v Speaker 1>And in this case, this was a predator against women.

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 1>He was probably pulling women over of all colors and creeds,

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.120
<v Speaker 1>but he was like fully just trying to intimidate women.

0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:15.240
<v Speaker 3>And then and that's.

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Fucked up down that you say that, because it's like

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>what if I'm like I don't trust you, I'm making

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:21.200
<v Speaker 2>sure you're a real cop, go fuck yourself, Like I

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.400
<v Speaker 2>probably even also have the privilege to be able to

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 2>do that.

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Rude.

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what if a black woman was like I'm gonna

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 2>figure it out out, it would be like she's on

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the run or something like.

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Its fucked up.

0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>But I'm glad I have my violent cop story to

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:39.719
<v Speaker 2>use as proof for ammunition for her family arguments, for

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.760
<v Speaker 2>family cop arguments, because it's just like the way people

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:46.479
<v Speaker 2>try to find reasons why it was okay to kill

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 2>someone is so fucked up. And I feel like I

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 2>gave a cop a million reasons to hit me, yeah,

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.239
<v Speaker 2>or to do worse to me.

0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:58.880
<v Speaker 3>To do something, yeah, like hit you or you know,

0:50:58.960 --> 0:50:59.480
<v Speaker 3>a soul.

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 2>And I got arrested twice in three weeks. Woo, you

0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 2>were on a tear girl.

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, that was a great recap and I'm excited to

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>talk to our guests. Okay, time for our guest interview.

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 1>We're so excited to have this next actor on the show.

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.400
<v Speaker 3>He is a Law and Order staple.

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.839
<v Speaker 1>I believe he's been on, if not all of the franchises.

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 1>He's definitely been on Original Recipe and SVU. People know

0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:37.319
<v Speaker 1>him as Danny Noonan from Caddie Shack. He also has

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:40.800
<v Speaker 1>recently appeared in City on the Hill with Brian Cranston

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 1>on Amazon.

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:42.800
<v Speaker 3>He's been on Sneaky Pete.

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 1>He has honestly a very very big IMDb that you

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:47.879
<v Speaker 1>should check out. And we've just will a little note

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 1>really quickly that his audio starts out a little shaky

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 1>because we are in quarantine, but just stick with it.

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 1>It really clears up, and guys, we're really jazz to

0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 1>talk to Officer Marcosi himself.

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:02.799
<v Speaker 3>Michael O'Keeffe, Well, what's amazing about you? Michael? You've been

0:52:03.680 --> 0:52:05.120
<v Speaker 3>multiple characters in SVU.

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.880
<v Speaker 2>We were talking about the episode Counterfeit, but you've played

0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 2>priest cop and dad of victim. So Counterfeit you're like

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.360
<v Speaker 2>a bad cop, but you're not the baddest cop. Like

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.239
<v Speaker 2>you don't end up being the murderer, but you just

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 2>have sex with sex workers, but you end up helping

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the SVU unit find the bad cop.

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.080
<v Speaker 3>And it's like a person pretending to be a copy.

0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm the red herring in that episode. Yes, yes, exactly,

0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:33.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, And just so you know, it could sound

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 4>to some people off putting that actors need to be

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:38.440
<v Speaker 4>reminded of what they actually did when they did that,

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.759
<v Speaker 4>But it's one of those things, especially with Law and Order,

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:43.440
<v Speaker 4>like you know what I have you remind me of

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:48.839
<v Speaker 4>the show is like right, yeah, okay, yeah I did that. Okay, okay, yeah,

0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:50.919
<v Speaker 4>now I'm back. I'm back remember this now.

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, to be fair, it was season three and the

0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:56.840
<v Speaker 1>show's beginning. It's twenty second season, so it was a

0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:58.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit ago. We don't blame you for kind of

0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 1>forgetting and you've been at yeah you have, like Sun.

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:04.839
<v Speaker 4>Can I do another SVU with Amanda say free wasn't?

0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:08.240
<v Speaker 3>Yes, Yeah, that's the one where you play the dad.

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:11.399
<v Speaker 4>Father and then they saw it. I was once again

0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 4>the red Herring.

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 3>But then you were a priest and you were mad,

0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:19.880
<v Speaker 3>oh oh that Yeah.

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 4>That's the one where he had the gay lover right

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.200
<v Speaker 4>and he was taking me yes, which was more or

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 4>less ripped from the headlines.

0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so out of those three episodes, I know, it's

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit you're kind of searching your memory

0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.160
<v Speaker 1>for them. But do you like, was there a favorite

0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:37.080
<v Speaker 1>of your roles, Like did you love playing the priest

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.560
<v Speaker 1>more than the cop, more than the dad or no?

0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was great to connect with Amanda because

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 4>we ended up becoming friends again. Later on in life.

0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:47.879
<v Speaker 4>She actually married and that guard had worked with Tommy Sadowski.

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:51.560
<v Speaker 4>They now have a daughter named Nina, and Amanda and

0:53:51.560 --> 0:53:55.439
<v Speaker 4>I just did a movie at the end of last

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:57.400
<v Speaker 4>year beginning of this year that's going to be on

0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Netflix called Things Were Be Seen, so that relationship was great.

0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:06.680
<v Speaker 4>And then the first order SVU that I did was

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:10.040
<v Speaker 4>produced by my very good friend Ted Katcha, who had

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:12.600
<v Speaker 4>done a feature I did years and years ago called

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Split Image, So this all gets tied together. When I

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 4>did the movie with Amanda, I played a sheriff searching

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 4>for her murderer. She gets murdered in the movie and

0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:29.360
<v Speaker 4>bot spoiler, and my wife in the movie is Karen Allen.

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh love Karen Allen?

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 4>Right. Well, when Ted Kotcha directed Karen and I in

0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:38.239
<v Speaker 4>a movie forty years ago in nineteen eighty in which

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:42.360
<v Speaker 4>we played lovers, Got You, Got You, we got cast

0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 4>his husband and wife forty years later in this movie

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:49.759
<v Speaker 4>with Amanda, and the directors a couple named Bob Pulcini

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:54.239
<v Speaker 4>and Shari Redman had no idea that Karen and I

0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 4>had worked together and were boyfriend and girlfriend. Afterwards, at

0:54:57.520 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 4>the time. So then Ted was responsible for bringing me

0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:02.840
<v Speaker 4>into that first spu.

0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So when you say, like, oh, Ted Kotcheff brot me

0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:08.960
<v Speaker 1>in on this or Warren, like, you never auditioned for

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a Law and Order, you just kind of like get

0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>these parts offered.

0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:16.080
<v Speaker 4>Pretty much, Lawn Order franchise has always called and just

0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 4>say we could come and you know, and be on

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 4>the show. I don't think I ever auditioned for and

0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:24.400
<v Speaker 4>I've done a few. Now I heard another thing about them.

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 4>You might want to know about Law and Order, which

0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:27.880
<v Speaker 4>may or may not be true, but I say it

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:28.759
<v Speaker 4>kind of feels true.

0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Is we love an unverified rumor go ahead?

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that, well, then you know you've come to the

0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:38.320
<v Speaker 4>right actor. I did so many of them that Dick Wolfe,

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 4>the showrunner, said to his producers, you cannot have Michael

0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 4>O'Keeffe on one of the Law and Orders until he's

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 4>until it's been six months since you've on the last.

0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:53.719
<v Speaker 4>And that's going to be called the O'Keefe rule. And

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.360
<v Speaker 4>that o'keef rule is now in place for all actors.

0:55:56.400 --> 0:55:58.799
<v Speaker 4>If you have an actor on one Lawn Order franchise

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.360
<v Speaker 4>months before they're on the next one. So I think

0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:08.759
<v Speaker 4>that's actually a thing, like it's called the and wow.

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, because we're in a big debate about that about

0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:14.760
<v Speaker 2>characters being reused.

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 1>And when they're because I had, like, we've seen every episode.

0:56:17.200 --> 0:56:18.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm sort of a purist, and I'm like, if I've

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 1>seen you as a dirty cop, I still remember you,

0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:26.279
<v Speaker 1>like five years later as the dad and I'm like, oh,

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 1>he's not a cop anymore.

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:28.440
<v Speaker 3>He's a different person.

0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:31.320
<v Speaker 2>But the best is they had one woman as she

0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:34.120
<v Speaker 2>murdered a stripper and then she became the DA and

0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.600
<v Speaker 2>was the like lead attorney for seasons.

0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love them. They bring people back.

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.719
<v Speaker 1>No, I think it's obviously for actors, it's great to

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:44.160
<v Speaker 1>bring people back. I'm just joking as like a viewer

0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.160
<v Speaker 1>that I'm like, I recognize these people.

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:49.879
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, of course. And you know it's a New

0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.840
<v Speaker 4>York thing. You know, it's it's a New York based show.

0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:55.520
<v Speaker 4>All the shows are made in New York and it's

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 4>a great thing for New York City actors. And you know,

0:56:58.040 --> 0:56:59.839
<v Speaker 4>I'm not a New York City actor anymore. I live

0:56:59.880 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 4>in country not so far from New York. But it's

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:05.919
<v Speaker 4>one of those things where it kind of it's a

0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 4>very well oiled machine.

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:08.319
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:13.319
<v Speaker 4>They have these studios over at Chelsea Piers and the

0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 4>crews are amazing. The directors are always great. And some

0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 4>of the directors like I had worked with years before.

0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 4>One was a camera operator and who'd worked his way

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:24.440
<v Speaker 4>up to being a director. I know there was a

0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:28.439
<v Speaker 4>DP and other was you know, a friend. So there

0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:32.080
<v Speaker 4>there's this kind of not predictability but almost kind of

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 4>like you know, collegial saying that happens on the Law

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.040
<v Speaker 4>and Order where it's just like they just love the

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.280
<v Speaker 4>New York pool of actors and they just keep bringing

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 4>them around again and again and again, which you know,

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:46.240
<v Speaker 4>New York City actors don't get as much work, generally

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:49.280
<v Speaker 4>speaking as the television actors in Los Angeles, because there's

0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 4>not as much done here.

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 2>No, whenever I go to see a play off Broadway

0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:56.919
<v Speaker 2>or a Broadway the playbill is always filled with sv

0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:59.480
<v Speaker 2>credits and always I hear that's.

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 4>Like a trivia game, like when people go to this

0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 4>theater though, like which order of one order? I see

0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:08.200
<v Speaker 4>this guy, and and what do you play? And I

0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:10.320
<v Speaker 4>think when you're playing a guest star on those shows,

0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:14.520
<v Speaker 4>whether it's SVU or the original whatever it is. You're

0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 4>always the criminal of the week, or you know, in

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:20.600
<v Speaker 4>the case of SVU, per over of the week because

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.080
<v Speaker 4>the regulars are the ones who have to have the

0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:26.440
<v Speaker 4>moral high ground and somebody else has to you know,

0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:30.040
<v Speaker 4>allowed them that. So you're always being called and it's

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:31.400
<v Speaker 4>like you have an order to do SBU.

0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:38.120
<v Speaker 2>You're like, yeah, okay, Well that's why the Counterfeit episode

0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 2>was exciting because we obviously assumed it was you the

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 2>whole time.

0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:43.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there was a little twist.

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Michael, I know you mentioned the Netflix movie that can

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 1>you say again what the Netflix movie.

0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Is called Coming Out? Well, things heard and scene with

0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:52.760
<v Speaker 4>a man is safety and James Norton. I'm really looking

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.480
<v Speaker 4>forward to seeing that. And I did a pilot with

0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 4>John c Riley for HBO about the acquisition of Magic

0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:02.040
<v Speaker 4>Johnson for the Los Angeles Lakers, and he plays Jerry

0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.880
<v Speaker 4>Buss and I played Jack Kent Cook, the guy who

0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:08.520
<v Speaker 4>sold Jerry Bus to the Lakers. And I'm doing this

0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:11.280
<v Speaker 4>a little bit on a City on a Hill for

0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:13.640
<v Speaker 4>Showtime with Kevin Bacon and Aldus homage.

0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Wow, you're busy. Well that's awesome.

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, our listeners will all know where to find you

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:20.080
<v Speaker 1>and look out for your work.

0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:22.040
<v Speaker 3>And thanks for and thank.

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 2>You so muchy and taking the nominated guest for us. Yeah,

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:25.560
<v Speaker 2>pretty thrilliant.

0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm thrilled to be here. I'm glad you guys

0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.000
<v Speaker 4>gave me the nod as were. It's nice to be

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 4>singled out. So as for you fans, see.

0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 3>You later, all right, that was amazing. That was amazing.

0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Post mortem.

0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Listen, this is our post mortem. Let's break down what

0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:46.520
<v Speaker 1>we think. I mean, I'll tell you what I learned.

0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:48.720
<v Speaker 3>What did you like? If I commit a crime, I'm

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 3>not going to go on the news.

0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And advertise the Yeah, so I think that's what I've learned.

0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.680
<v Speaker 2>If I'm going to want to spree, I'm not gonna

0:59:56.920 --> 0:59:58.000
<v Speaker 2>go on Barney and be.

0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Like, don't do this. Yeah yeah.

1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean i'd like to say, like I want women

1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:08.840
<v Speaker 1>to feel empowered to like speak up against bad cops,

1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:12.080
<v Speaker 1>but like scary, poor care girl fought back and lost

1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 1>your life.

1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:15.720
<v Speaker 2>So I think the lesson is, if you're getting pulled

1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:20.520
<v Speaker 2>over on a dark, creepy movie set type spot right,

1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:21.720
<v Speaker 2>keep it, keep it.

1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Fish, get pull over at a gas station, pull over

1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:28.120
<v Speaker 1>underneath a street lamp, like somewhere where there's like light

1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and people and we're.

1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:33.040
<v Speaker 3>On the highway. Yeah, yeah, least a highway, don't go

1:00:33.040 --> 1:00:34.600
<v Speaker 3>on some exit ramp. Yeah.

1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean we're not victim blaming. You're not victim blaming.

1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:39.040
<v Speaker 1>We're just saying, this is just something that I'm going

1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:39.800
<v Speaker 1>to take with me.

1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:40.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:42.760
<v Speaker 2>If I ever get pulled over and the cop asks

1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:45.000
<v Speaker 2>me to pull over somewhere, I hope that I'm in

1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a position where I can not follow the rules. And

1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:52.000
<v Speaker 2>that's dangerous for people too. I mean, it's all fucking dangerous.

1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:55.160
<v Speaker 2>That's the scary thing. No matter what the right thing

1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you think is, there's fucking risks involved.

1:00:58.680 --> 1:00:59.760
<v Speaker 3>There's risks everywhere.

1:00:59.800 --> 1:00:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Man.

1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Also, a lesson from the episode is like, beware of

1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:06.720
<v Speaker 1>people that are like police junkies, like people that like

1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:09.680
<v Speaker 1>love cop stuff and are like I want to dress

1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:10.480
<v Speaker 1>up like a cop.

1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I want to buy Yeah.

1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:14.480
<v Speaker 2>They have a lot of books about shit killers, cops,

1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:15.440
<v Speaker 2>criminal justice.

1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:17.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the going to law school.

1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's actually a really good one. I also want

1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:23.960
<v Speaker 2>to say, don't let your boss pay for your apartment.

1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, come on, guys, that's suck your boss. But don't

1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:29.320
<v Speaker 3>get if maybe actually I.

1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Take it back, have your boss pay for your apartment

1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and cheat on his wife who cares. No, don't fuck

1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.640
<v Speaker 2>people that are gonna call you mousey and ugly. I

1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:40.240
<v Speaker 2>say that right, It's a good lesson to learn. And

1:01:40.280 --> 1:01:43.640
<v Speaker 2>don't wear a gold necklace. You will be presumed guilty,

1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:45.480
<v Speaker 2>as I'm wearing two gold necklaces.

1:01:47.520 --> 1:01:48.640
<v Speaker 3>I think.

1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:51.240
<v Speaker 1>My major takeaway also from the episode is vodka and

1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:53.720
<v Speaker 1>coke with no ice is the most disgusting drink I

1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:57.760
<v Speaker 1>can think of. Yeah, okay, now it is time for

1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:01.760
<v Speaker 1>what would Sister Peg Do? Which is our weekly segment

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<v Speaker 1>where we give you some resource or an action item

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<v Speaker 1>to do that is related to the episode. Today, we

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<v Speaker 1>would encourage everybody to join Karen Nott's family in writing

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<v Speaker 1>to the California Governor Gavin Newsom to block an early

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<v Speaker 1>release for Craig pie Or, the officer found guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>murdering her. He is allegedly eligible for an early release

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<v Speaker 1>due to COVID and overcrowding. They have, for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>deemed him to be non violent. I disagree. This is

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<v Speaker 1>an officer who harassed his position for years and finally

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<v Speaker 1>escalated to taking someone's life, and we do not think

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<v Speaker 1>he should be out on the street. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>guys go to our show notes, there will be a

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<v Speaker 1>link that takes you write to an email form that

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<v Speaker 1>will help you easily write to Governor Newsom and tell

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<v Speaker 1>him you'd like to speak out against an early release

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<v Speaker 1>for Craig Pyre and we plan on doing that ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week we'll be doing a credo, which is season twenty,

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