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Speaker 1: Welcome back to part two? This amazing episode. Yes, this

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Speaker 1: ridiculous episode I'm so excited about. I gotta tell you honestly,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're getting into the second part here today,

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Speaker 1: and this has been probably personally one of, if not

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Speaker 1: my favorite stories. Y'all have to hear it to understand why,

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Speaker 1: because it's so good and amazing and heartbreaking and fascinating,

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Speaker 1: and it's just one of those stories about history that

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Speaker 1: makes you realize how just little things echo so much

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Speaker 1: throughout history. And we're still living in a world that

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Speaker 1: would be very different in any if any of this

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Speaker 1: world might be different. You know. I love that stuff,

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Speaker 1: But real quick, before we get into it, unfortunately, we

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Speaker 1: have to go put ourselves in corrections corner. You're such

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Speaker 1: a loser. Yes. One of our listeners, Fiona h reached

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Speaker 1: out through email and said, Hey, guys, just wanted to

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Speaker 1: say I'm a huge fan of the show and have

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Speaker 1: been listening since day one. The first episodes actually came

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Speaker 1: out on my birthday. Happy Happy birthday, and you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: I will always know your birthday too, because we know

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Speaker 1: our launch day, so we'll be thinking of you. I

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Speaker 1: absolutely love the great mix of stories that you guys tell,

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Speaker 1: and I really appreciate how well you're able to mix

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Speaker 1: your humor with the more sensitive topics. I look forward

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Speaker 1: every week to the episodes, and as an American who

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Speaker 1: studies in Scotland, like Eli, I'm a fellow upstate New Yorker. Hey,

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Speaker 1: your podcast definitely keeps me saying on those eight plus

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Speaker 1: hour flights. I'm even currently reading Ellen and William Kraft's book,

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Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite of your episodes. I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad no one's reading it because I loved it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite episodes. Two. Yeah, but yes,

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Speaker 1: she found a correction, she says from your most recent episode,

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Speaker 1: which I absolutely loved, Maximilian and Carlatta. At one point,

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Speaker 1: Diana mentions that Napoleon the Third was not as ruthless

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Speaker 1: presumed to be Napoleon the First, But Napoleon the Third's

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Speaker 1: father was actually Napoleon's brother, Louis Bonaparte. Napoleon the First

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Speaker 1: only legitimate child was Napoleon the second who died at one. True,

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Speaker 1: anything else. But I think important clarification. But yes, thank

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Speaker 1: was like some of those Louise also jumped over uncle's kids,

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Speaker 1: brother or something. Right, you weren't Louis the third as

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Speaker 1: so thank you for sending that. In appreciated, very important distinction,

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Speaker 1: This is a self correction. This is something I caught

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Speaker 1: while I was editing Part one and and writing part two.

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Speaker 1: We had said in part one that Franz Ferdinand, the

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Speaker 1: Franz Joseph's son, so he was Maximilian's nephew. But Franz

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Speaker 1: We're both Franz Ferdinand's uncles, and that actually is very

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Speaker 1: important moving forward in this episode. So that's a distinction

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Speaker 1: that was necessary to make. Man, we're getting the uncle's

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Speaker 1: all wrong. Lots of uncle. Well, it's just goes to

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Speaker 1: show everybody every European royal was another European royals uncle

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Speaker 1: I don't want to waste any more time here. We

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Speaker 1: is that we're sharing with you in these two parts,

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Speaker 1: because there's so much more. There's an amazing book that

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Speaker 1: we referenced in part one. It's called The Crown of Mexico,

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Speaker 1: Maximilian and his Empress car Latta by Joan Hasslip. That

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Speaker 1: book came out in nineteen seventy two, and that's where

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Speaker 1: a lot of this story comes from. Another book apparently

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Speaker 1: Diana got some stories to tell. There's no match making,

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Speaker 1: the eighteen thirties, nothing actually came of this. It was

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Speaker 1: talked about, but it was also argued about shot down

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00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: and they had other things to worry about, So at

429
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 1: this point nothing happened in terms of that, but they

430
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: put the idea in their back pocket, maybe for later.

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00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: Little tease. So in et Benito Pablo Warez Garcia was

432
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: the first indigenous person to become president of Mexico. There. Yeah,

433
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: he was the Liberal head of the Supreme Court who

434
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: assumed the presidency when the previous president was forced to

435
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: resign by the Conservatives. So of course the Conservatives want

436
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: him out tot and a three year civil war broke out,

437
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: the Civil Wars. Civil war, seriously period of time. What

438
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Speaker 1: you're telling me that the Liberals won the president in

439
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: the office and the Conservatives didn't accept that and actually

440
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: tried to start a war to stop I've never heard

441
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: such a thing with Fortunately, these kinds of things don't happen,

442
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: and the Liberals trounced the Conservatives on the battlefield nice

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00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: and President Warez had full control in January of eighteen

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Speaker 1: sixty one. Under the Conservative government, Mexico had taken out

445
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: some pretty hefty loans from England, Spain and France, because,

446
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: as we know, wars cost money. And so when President

447
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: Warez was like, Okay, I'm in charge now, he basically

448
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: was like, guess what, I'm not paying any of this

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00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: back right now. I'm going to put a two year

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00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: hold on that. Also, I'm not going to count any

451
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: of the interests for those two years. We're just gonna

452
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: this this number is not going to move. You're not

453
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: getting no money for me at this time. Get uh.

454
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: And England and Spain were kind of like, fine, whatever,

455
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: like get back to me, hit me up later. But

456
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: France had other plans. First of all, they did want

457
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Speaker 1: their money back, all right, that's a normal reason, but

458
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: they also wanted access to the enormous trade market that

459
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: was growing in Central and South America. Not to mention,

460
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: the US was getting pretty big, a little bit cocky

461
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: right now, and they kind of were like, let's put

462
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: a European power right in their backyard so that we

463
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Speaker 1: can balance a little bit of that power out. You know,

464
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: let's be right next door and what's she doing, hey,

465
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Speaker 1: which you think you do, and then maybe they'll back

466
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: the funk off. And that brings us back to Emperor

467
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Napoleon the Third. Yeah, I mean, this is the guy

468
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: that kicked that helped the Italians kick the Archduke Max

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00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: out of Italy and and helped free Italy from Austrian control.

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Speaker 1: When the Mexican Conservatives lost the Civil War to President Juarez,

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00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: they went into hiding basically, and they pulled out their

472
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: old plans and they're like, hey, hey, uh, you guys

473
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: remember that thing we talked about about having a European

474
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: monarch rule Mexico. I mean, anybody else think that sounds

475
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: super sexy right now? Huh? Are you in? You in?

476
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: Let's give it a whirl. Man. So they were like, well,

477
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: let's go to Europe and start talking to people. They

478
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: get there and they caught the attention of Emperor Napoleon

479
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: the third of France and they're like, hey, buddy, why

480
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: don't you come over to Mexico and help us start

481
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: our own little empire over there, and you'll love it.

482
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. We're gonna be best friends with

483
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: France if you help us do this, uh, and it'll

484
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: be awesome. And at first we got tequila about tequila,

485
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: but it's delicious. Also, have you heard about lines Um?

486
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: And Napoleon at first was like this sounds nice, but

487
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: I am not going to mess with Zim Monroe doctor

488
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: in you know the Americans. They said, don't not come

489
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: over here, Eumpians. And I don't feel like screwing with

490
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: the Americans right now because they are getting very powerful

491
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: and they have as these things. This justin Yeah, it

492
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: was eighteen sixty one, and in April of that year,

493
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: the US had a little problem with their own, the

494
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: American Civil War. So yeah, they were a little distracted,

495
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: and this seemed like a great chance for France to

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00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: get everything they wanted in the New World. So, citing

497
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: Mexico's refusal to pay their debts, Napoleon the Third sends

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00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: troops over to Mexico. French troops joined the remaining conservative generals,

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00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: and at first they get their asses kicked at the

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Speaker 1: Battle of Puebla May five, eighteen sixty two. For all

501
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: the Americans out there, sip in Margarita's on Sinco de Mayo.

502
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: That is what you're celebrating. Uh, this the winning of

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00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: this battle. Mexicans beating a French at a battle. I

504
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: thought it was I mean, you know, my ignorant ass,

505
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: I thought Single Mayo was Mexican Independence Day. It is

506
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: definitely not that. It was just one big battle that

507
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: they wanted. It was important. So they won this battle.

508
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: They pushed back the French. Looked like it was all

509
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: going to be okay. They're going to route this whole

510
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: idea right out of right out of Mexico. But then

511
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: the French sent tons of reinforcements and in late eighteen

512
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: sixty three they had taken Mexico City and President Juarez

513
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: and his officials fled the city and became a government

514
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: in exile, and the Conservatives declared themselves in charge of

515
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: the country with France at their back. You know, they

516
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: were like, it's us now. They spent some time setting

517
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: up a new government, and they're kind of wondering, like

518
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: who is the nephew or the uncle or the spare

519
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: floating around in all these monarchy families that we can

520
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: get to come over here and take charge of this government. Ah.

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00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: You know what would be good. We need a guy

522
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: who's like young, Like say, it's like in his thirties,

523
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: like one years old, and like I kind of want

524
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: him to be sort of soft, you know what I mean,

525
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: because we want to lead him along, like he's like

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00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: a puppet on a string, like a real bleeding heart,

527
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: just like I'll do whatever you say. Softy soy boy boy, boy, Yeah,

528
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: find me a soy boy and you know it would

529
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: be really extra good. This guy's like just sick to

530
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: death of Europe. You know, I need a guy who's

531
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: just fucking sick of Europe, somebody who's gotten really like

532
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: trashed and kicked around. It just doesn't feel like doing

533
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: it anymore. Is there anyone I got it? Maximilian of Austria.

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00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he fits the villain every single way. Well,

535
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: before we go check in with Max, we're gonna take

536
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: a quick commercial break, but we'll be right back beyond Venetos.

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Speaker 1: Back to the show. Everybody, Oh, trying to set the

538
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: scene bilingual. This is better than duo lingo show. Okay,

539
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: So Max is kicking around merom Are, planting flowers in

540
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: the garden to keep himself busy, playing with his little

541
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: tropical birds while Charlotte painted her days away. It was

542
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: becoming more and more clear that Max had very little

543
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: chance of taking over the Austrian throne, or indeed any

544
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: throne or governmental position or anything like that. I'm gonna

545
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: kind of skim over some of the really fascinating political

546
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: wheelings and dealings here between the Mexican Conservatives and the

547
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: French Empire. But the long and short of it is

548
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: they all came to the same conclusion that Max was

549
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: the perfect choice to sit on the imperial throne in Mexico.

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00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: When the idea came to Emperor Franz Joseph, he thought

551
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: that I do hate Napoleon more than basically anybody, and

552
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to support anything that France is doing.

553
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: But then again, you know, I'd really give my bleeding

554
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: hard little brother who everybody laughs so much, something to do,

555
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: and it would get him out of my hair. So yeah,

556
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: I'd say, go talk to him about it. Oh old,

557
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: thank you an. And you know, Max ain't stupid. It

558
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: was a little fishy to him when they showed up

559
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, how about Mexico, you know, but

560
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: it also really blew his mind that his brother gave

561
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: his blessing for it, because I never agreed on anything,

562
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: and Max felt like he'd basically retreated to Miramar to

563
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: give his brother his space to rule without Max scandalizing

564
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: him with all this progressive stuff run around being cool

565
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 1: and Charlotte, who not only thought Max deserved, you know,

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00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: basically to be king of the world, um, but was

567
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: also bored out of her mind. I thought it was

568
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: a great idea, and she enthusiastically encouraged Max to take

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00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: the title of emperor. And she's like walking around being

570
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: like embrough, Max, would you like to go out to

571
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: the aviary? Doesn't that sound good? And Max wrote in

572
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: his journal quote, now out of the blue comes the

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00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: offer of the Mexican throne, with the chance to free

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00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: myself from a life devoid of action. Who in my position,

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00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: in youth and health, with a devoted and energetic wife

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00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: spurring me on, would do other than accept the offer

577
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: reasonable somebody offered me the throne of any country tomorrow,

578
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I feel like I'd be stupid to

579
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: say no. I don't know. I'd be like, I'm not

580
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: We've done too much history to know that. You don't

581
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: want to accept that. That's the thing. Max was smart,

582
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: and he was progressive, and he thought the idea of

583
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: a European power going into Mexico to set up a

584
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: monarchist government was kind of outrageous and also destined for failure.

585
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: But these guys knew Max well. He had a bit

586
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: of a reputation, and they knew exactly how to talk

587
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: to him. So they show up and they're like, oh

588
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: my god, the people, Max, the Mexican people, they want

589
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: you to come rule the Seriously, they heard all about you,

590
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: and like, how just how cool you are, and they

591
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: like heard that you're like really progressive, and like, don't

592
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: we love that progressive? That's so cute right, Like that

593
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: makes that wow. Um, they just can't wait for you

594
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: to come sit on the throne about here. And you know,

595
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: Max loves it when the people love him, so this

596
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: gets him thinking about it and then to seal the deal.

597
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: Who showed up but Napoleon the Third himself, and he

598
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: explained to Max how much he wanted to see him

599
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: quote at the head of a great and noble enterprise

600
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: which would shed further glory upon these last three US

601
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: house What could be more rewarding than to rescue a

602
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: continent from anarchy and set an example of good government

603
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: to the whole of North America. You've got to imagine

604
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: that Napoleon's probably pointing at the US Civil War at

605
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: this point and saying, look where democracy gets you. Huh,

606
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: we should go and teach ah. Yes, no other civil

607
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: war was caused by anything other than democracy. But we

608
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: all know what Napoleon really wanted. He wanted easy access

609
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: to Latin American trade and resources, and he wanted an

610
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: ally in Mexico to help hinder US growth. He told Max, quote,

611
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: you may be sure that my support will not fail

612
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: you as a quote. Remember it later. Yeah, he should

613
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: have got that one in writing foreshadowing. He did get

614
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: it in writing the Treaty of Miramar Damn. Yeah. Mine.

615
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: But everyone who had ever been to Mexico was telling

616
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: Max like, don't do it. It's a straight up horn.

617
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: It's nest over there. It's a huge mess. You don't

618
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: want to You do not want to stick yourself in

619
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: the middle of this ship. And then even President Abe

620
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: Lincoln put out a little statement saying, quote, a foreign

621
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: monarchy set up on Mexican soil would mark the beginning

622
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: rather than the end of revolution in Mexico. I was

623
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: basically like, should Europe choose to funk around, it won't

624
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: take no. Four score in seven years for them to

625
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: find out that's your Your Abe Lincoln is impeccable. I

626
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: felt like he's I felt like he's here in the

627
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: room with us. It was actually a recording. I have

628
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: an Edison track right here. But the French people were

629
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: getting really fed up with all this rigamarole in Mexico,

630
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: and so Napoleon was like, they're sending you know, they're

631
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: sending troops over there. French people are dying and they

632
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: don't like that war. So Napoleon really needed to get

633
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Max over there as quickly as possible and just kind

634
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: of get this whole situation office plate. So they held

635
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: a vote in Mexico and presented the results to Max

636
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: and they were like, Maxim, look at this. One of

637
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: the people polled want you as emperor unanimous? Seriously, like impossible,

638
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: If impossible, how do you think. Yeah, they said seven

639
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: million people voted, and seven million people voted for Max.

640
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: That is not that shifty all And yeah, that was

641
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: a very dubious poll. The French had full control over

642
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: the areas where they held the vote, and then obviously

643
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: we're probably pretty selective over who they asked to vote.

644
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: And again Max was smart. He didn't flat out believe

645
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: everything about this, but to skim through a few months

646
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: of back and forth conversation. This was one of the

647
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: many things that led to his eventual acceptance of the job.

648
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: By the time he said yes, they had fully convinced

649
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: him that he had a mandate to rule from the

650
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: entire population of Mexico. But even as Max accepted the offer,

651
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: Napoleon's advisers were coming to him and saying, and Napoleon,

652
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, we got to get out of this game.

653
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: We don't not want to do this emperor thing anymore.

654
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: They thought at this point that it would be better

655
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: to try and get President Warez back and negotiate with him,

656
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: since he did have most of the support of Mexico.

657
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: But it's that damn sunk cost fallacy. You know. Napoleon

658
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: was just in too deep. It had invested so much

659
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: in this project at this point he had told so

660
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: many people know this is gonna work, that he couldn't

661
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: pull out, despite literally telling one of his advisers about

662
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: Max and Charlotte quote, if I was in their place,

663
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: I never would have accepted. I mean, so he knew

664
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: straight up that this was a terrible idea, but he's

665
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: sorry Max. It seemed like everyone but Charlotte was having

666
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: second thoughts. She thought Max was destined to become quote

667
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: one of the most influential rulers in the world. But Max,

668
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: to one of Napoleon's advisors, gave the impression quote not

669
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: of having ventured on this dangerous enterprise with any enthusiasm,

670
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: but other as one who had given his word too hastily.

671
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: And had now to abide by his promises. So even

672
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: Max is starting to give the impression of like, I

673
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't do this, but I already said I would,

674
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: so I've got to a man of my word. You know,

675
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: it's probably weird as hell to keep being told like

676
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: everybody really wants you there, don't worry, But then all

677
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: around you everyone looks more and more reluctant to even

678
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: do their own project. You're like, this is your idea. Yeah.

679
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: I imagine Napoleon's advisors and him all standing around a

680
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: table going, oh fuck, this is not going to all.

681
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: This is terrible, this is terrible. Holy shit, this Mexico

682
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: thing is so bad. And then Max walks in the

683
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: room and they're like, Emperor Max, so it's so good

684
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: to see you. Though we were just talking about how

685
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: great the Mexico is going to be, more like Mexico Mexico.

686
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: But the gears returning. Everything was in place. This was happening,

687
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: no matter how reluctant Max was at this point. And

688
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: then at the last minute, practically right as Max was

689
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: getting on the boat in eighteen sixty four, an envoy

690
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: from his brother the Emperor, showed up and was like, oh, um,

691
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: by the way, accepting the crown of Mexico means you

692
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: give up all hereditary rights in Austria. P s just

693
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: wanted to throw that out there right as you were leaving,

694
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: and Max couldn't believe that that had not like come

695
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: up earlier, Like part of the negotiations for this job

696
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: was like, by the way, you can't ever come home again,

697
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, Mexico was just

698
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: a substitute for what he really wanted, the hereditary rights

699
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: of the throne in Austria. But Franz Joseph asked Max,

700
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: quote out of love of Mexico and its inhabitants, to

701
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: prove his devotion to his new country by renouncing his

702
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: Austrian rights, Like that's so like manipulative, And Max was

703
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: like grumpy about that, but he also kind of dismissed it.

704
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: Charlotte wrote in a later letter that he was still

705
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: third in line for the Austrian throne, but if it

706
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: ever came down to it, it's unlikely he would have

707
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: actually been able to claim that title. Honestly, Charlotte meant

708
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: by that because it was within the Emperor's power the

709
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: strip Max of his of his hereditary rights, and he

710
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: did well. She might have just been on her own

711
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean, she was in her own story. But whatever,

712
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Who cares about Austria. Max and Charlotte,

713
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: We're going on Mexico. They had the full support of

714
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: the French army at their backs and the goodwill of

715
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: the Mexican people there to welcome them. Ahead of his arrival,

716
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: the streets of Mexican cities were lined with copies of

717
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: Max's manifesto, in which he vowed to work day and

718
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: night for the welfare of the Mexican people, to work

719
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: diligently for their prosperity, and that quote. Having won their

720
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: glorious independence, they could now enjoy the benefits of civilization.

721
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: So Max and Charlotte sailed across the Atlantic, and they

722
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: landed with fresh excitement at the port of Vera Cruz

723
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: early in the morning in the summer of eighteen sixty four.

724
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: Cannon fire from French warships heralded their arrival. They stepped

725
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: out into the streets to greet their people, and uh,

726
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: where is everybody? Well? It was early, and quite frankly,

727
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: like nobody cared. And they'd heard all these promises before

728
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: this was just another guy saying some stuff that you

729
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: probably think I want to hear. But you're never gonna

730
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: do ship. You trifling. I meant presidents and presidents and

731
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: thirty years, you've heard a lot of promises that never

732
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: got kept. Yeah, I believe that. And the port town

733
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: of your cruiz was very liberal. They probably really missed

734
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: President Warez. You know, they were definitely not into an

735
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: emperor's situation. So their escorts hurried them through the silent

736
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: streets and ushered them into stage coaches for two hundred

737
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: and fifty mile ride to Mexico City. How weird, I

738
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: mean again, like, look at the contrast here of everyone

739
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: in Europe telling them Mexico can't wait for you. You're

740
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: the god they're waiting for. That's certainly the god chosen

741
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: emperor that they have been waiting for here. Yeah, it's

742
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: gonna be yeah, straight up, like Paul McCartney just showed up.

743
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: They're gonna be losing their minds. And then you get

744
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: there and it is no one gives a ship. They're

745
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: not happy to see you at all. Max found the

746
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: silence strangely calming, but Charlotte's spirit broke for the first

747
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: time since Max accepted the offer. She spent most of

748
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: the ride in tears, which, again, if you've really convinced

749
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: yourself of something and it comes to it like that,

750
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: really hurts. And I think she was so sure that

751
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: everyone felt the same way about him that she did

752
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: that it really hurt her feelings that there's nobody there

753
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: like waving flags and throwing flowers. Max loved the rustic

754
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: road to Mexico City. It's wide expanses of uninhabited countryside,

755
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: tropical jungles, huge bushes of flowers. I mean he loved

756
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: his gardens. We know that, and he would find that

757
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: the indigenous people now living as Mexicans shared a similar

758
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: love for brightly colored flowers. So he's like, this place

759
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: is great. I'm I'm fine. Charlotte was very unhappy with

760
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: the rough conditions of their journey. She wrote, quote, the

761
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: Mexicans kept apologizing for the abominable road, but we kept

762
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: assuring them we didn't mind in the least bit. As

763
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, it was ghastly beyond all words,

764
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: and we needed all our youth and good humor to

765
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: get off without a cramp or a broken rib. Damn

766
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: picturing one of these things where Max is just like

767
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: leaning out the carriage and having a wonderfully singing and

768
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: there's flowers falling in, butterflies landing on his arms, little

769
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: hummingbird lands on his finger. He's having the greatest time.

770
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: And then we cut to Charlotte and she's like there's

771
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: mud all over her, she's miserable. There's like a frog

772
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: jumps on her face. It's like that means looking out

773
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: the two sides of a bug. Yes, yes, Charlotte. One

774
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 1: side is he's a dog with his head out the window.

775
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: That might be included at our meme for this episode.

776
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: But then they spent Charlotte's twenty four birthday in Puebla,

777
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: where the French held this elaborate ball in her honor

778
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: and they had a fireworks to display that put a

779
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: likeness of mir mar Castle in the sky and big

780
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: golden flowers. Wow, that's pretty that's pretty dope. She wrote

781
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: that the display made her feel that she was quote

782
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: among my own people, in my own country, surrounded by

783
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: loving friends. She responded to the kindness by gifting thirty

784
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: five thousand francs to be spent on restoring a hospital

785
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: that she had noticed was in ruins in Puebla. But

786
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: within days she and Max were both horrified by these

787
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: huge contrasts in how the rich and the poor lived

788
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: in Mexico. She found the indigenous people to be quote

789
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: in the highest degree of intelligence, but noted that these

790
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 1: tiny governments that kept turning over in Mexico quote, never

791
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: had any route in the native population, which is the

792
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: only one which works and enables the state to live.

793
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: Damn Charlotte, just seeing things and calling him out. All

794
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: the all the indigenous, the former Aztec descendants that are

795
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: living here as Mexicans now are doing all your damn work,

796
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: all the hard labor, and none of your policies favor them.

797
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And for them to see that in their

798
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: first few days, they really I mean, on one hand,

799
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: President Warez was the same kind of ruler who wanted

800
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: those kinds of reforms. He was very progressive, um, but

801
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: he didn't have the power because the conservatives, you know,

802
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 1: we're fighting against him all the time, trying to undermine

803
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: him and all this ship. So it's weird. It's weird, yeah,

804
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: because it's like, sure, you need someone who's going to

805
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: be on your side, who does have some power, but

806
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: On the other hand, she's clearly noticing, like, y'all are

807
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: straight up white savioring this this country, and you can't

808
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: do that, right. That's not how it works. It's never

809
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: gonna work. Do you get a white savior to come

810
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: in and stop white savioring from happening? How do you

811
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: fix a problem like Maria. They were officially crowned Emperor

812
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: and Empress on June town, eighteen sixty four, and they

813
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: were given the names Maximiliano and Carlata. On June twelve,

814
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: they received an enthusiastic, beautiful welcome by conservatives, liberals, and

815
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: indigenous people's alike. Maximilian wore the full dress uniform of

816
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: a Mexican general, and Carlotta wore a diamond crown and

817
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: a mantilla vale. They paraded through the streets that the

818
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: people shouted or Max felt like he was the emperor

819
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: chosen not by Napoleon the Third but by the divine

820
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: will of God. The party raged all night, and Max

821
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: and Carlata thought they would never get to bed because

822
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: they're in their thirties, you know they're likely to go

823
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: to bed. When they finally did get to bed, though,

824
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: they found the presidential palace had been prepared for them

825
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: in something of a rush, because I mean nobody had

826
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: been staying there for a while, right, and usually when

827
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: people did stay here, they didn't stick around for very long.

828
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: So everything had been just very hurriedly put together. Everything

829
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: was still dirty, Rugs had been hastily thrown on dusty floors,

830
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: Curtains were basically just like tacked up above the windows.

831
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: And it said that on their first night in Mexico City,

832
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: they were driven from their bed by rats and ended

833
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: up sleeping on a billiards table. So welcome to Mexico.

834
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: All right, God chose an emperor on a billiard's table.

835
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: Do you think that? She turned to him and it

836
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: was like, good night, Emperor, this is exactly the opulence

837
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: I was expecting. And he's like, yeah, hang on, there's

838
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: an eight ball under my shoulder. Alright, So we'll let

839
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: them get some sleep on this billiards table. Try and

840
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: rest up before the final part of this story coming up,

841
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: and we will be right back. Okay, welcome back for

842
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: the conclusion of Emperor Max and Carlata. So soon after

843
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: Max got to work, he was firm in his belief

844
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: that he could turn Mexico around and it would become

845
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: one of the great Western empires. And he looked over

846
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: the liberal policies of President Warez and pretty much was like, yeah,

847
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: this all sounds good, let's just stick with this. And

848
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: that really piste off the conservatives, because of course they

849
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: had brought him over to specifically not do any of

850
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: these liberal things. But Maxim Carlotta did not care what

851
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: the conservatives wanted or what they thought. They replaced conservative

852
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: ministers and deputies with moderate liberals. They got heavily involved

853
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: in rights for indigenous people, and they would even sit

854
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: outside on the steps of the palace sometimes and just

855
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: let people walk up and tell them their worries and concerns,

856
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: like they were really of the people, by the people,

857
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: for the people. There kuboo all the way, well, for

858
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: you by us, so they were like fibo, they were

859
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: for for you by us, for you by Europe. So

860
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: Max is still going by Max, but Charlotte started going

861
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: by Carlotta exclusively. This became her name for the rest

862
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: of her life, and Max didn't seek her counsel as

863
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: often as he did in Lombardo, Venetia, but she did

864
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: rule in his place whenever he left the city, and

865
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: she signed laws to improve working conditions for farmers, and

866
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: she put in place a mandatory one day break for

867
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: workers so that the first weekend, I guess, my goodness.

868
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: She also fought hard for religious tolerance, and she set

869
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: up an office of Indigenous Affairs. With all that she did,

870
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: Carlotta is often considered to be the first woman ever

871
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: to rule in Latin America. I've heard the first woman

872
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: ever to rule on the American continent, but I feel

873
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: like that might discount some Native American tribes. I don't

874
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: know enough to comment on that, but I've read it

875
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: both ways. And it was tough for her here, but

876
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: she wrote back home quote, put yourself in my place

877
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: and ask yourself whether life at Miramar was preferable to

878
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: our life here. No, No, A hundred times no. For

879
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: my part, I prefer a full and active life with

880
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: duty and responsibilities, even difficulties, if you will, to an

881
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: idle existence spent in contemplating the sea from the top

882
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: of a rock until the age of seventy. This is

883
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: what I have left behind, and this is what I

884
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: have gained. Balanced one against the other, and you will

885
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: no longer be surprised to hear that I am happier

886
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: in Mexico. I get it. Yeah, I get that real hard. Yeah.

887
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: She had energy, she had ambition totally. She don't want

888
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: to just be painting all the young people, didn't just

889
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: want to sit in palaces. If you remember in part

890
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: one she turned down the role of Queen of Portugal.

891
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: That was her first suitor was going to be the

892
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: King of Portugal, and she specifically said, I'm not interested

893
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: in a crown. I don't want to just sit in

894
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: a palace all day, not doing anything. So the so

895
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: her getting stuck at Miramar without a crown and still

896
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: not doing anything all the time sounded terrible compared to

897
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: being here and being an active leader in the community.

898
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: That's what she wanted to do. And they did have some,

899
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: like clearly, some idealistic kind of leanings. They really felt

900
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: like they could fix some ship that was wrong with

901
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: the world, and we had sort of a crusading spirit. So, yeah,

902
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: if you have that, you can't just sit around and

903
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: see injustice anywhere in the world and feel like, well

904
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: I can't I should do I should do something about that, right,

905
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: And you got the blank slate here of the New

906
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: World too. I leave everything behind. I don't have to

907
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: worry about my families and stuff like like so complicated

908
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: over there, but this was just like fresh start. I

909
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: feel like it could really get something done because there's

910
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: not all this red tape set up. Yeah, she might

911
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: even have liked the little billiards table, like darling, doesn't

912
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: it feel so rustic really doing something here? Although I

913
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: will say that she loved her comforts, okay, well and

914
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: her fancy dresses. I don't know if now this love

915
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: of her role in Mexico was in spite of the

916
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: fact that Max had been sleeping around since his founding

917
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: his emperor I know, right. I mean, he wasn't really again,

918
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: wasn't really all that fond of sex. He didn't do

919
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: it all that often or anything. But he and Carlotta

920
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: had virtually no sexual relationship, and they were always ladies

921
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: around ready to get it on with Max or with

922
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: an emperor or both. But eventually it did get them

923
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: starting to talk about working on an air again, and

924
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: they did try to get pregnant. Eventually they decided that

925
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: probably wasn't gonna happen, so they were like, let's adopt.

926
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: But they figured let's make this adoption politically motivating. No,

927
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: they were just like, let's make some moves while we're

928
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: at it. And so they were like, what if we

929
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: adopted our own nephew, one of the sons of Max's

930
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: younger brother, arch Duke Carl Ludwig, right right, then they'd

931
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: have a Habsburg archduke in line for the throne at Mexico.

932
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: Keep it in the family. Yeah, perfect, But Ludwig was

933
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: kind of dragging his feet. He was not really into

934
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: this idea. He never really went came around to it.

935
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: So they went and adopted the two nephews of the

936
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: daughter of Mexico's first emperor, Augustine A Turbida. So this

937
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: was like basically adoption blackmail for Carl Ludwig, because they

938
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: were like, well, if you don't adopt us one of

939
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: your sons to inherit the throne of Mexico, it's going

940
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: to go right back to the atterbidays and there won't

941
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: be a Habsburg here. So it was up to you.

942
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's up to you. You know, he just

943
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,479
Speaker 1: wants some kids, so anyway up to you. Let us know. Now,

944
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: this never ended up convincing him, but if things have

945
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: went differently, it's possible that Max and Carlotta might have

946
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: adopted Franz Ferdinand, who was two years old at the time. So,

947
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't again with this story. It's just

948
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: so crazy to me, how one little change and we'd

949
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: be living in a totally different world today. Can you

950
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: imagine if Franz Ferdinand grew up a kid in Mexico

951
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: instead of Austria. I mean, this is the guy who,

952
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: his assassination was the spark that made World War One start.

953
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't say that it wouldn't have happened anyway.

954
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: Obviously there were a lot more factors than Frands Ferdinand,

955
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: but how different would Europe have been if that guy

956
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: hadn't been there? Sorry, I can't stand it with this story. Meanwhile,

957
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: the Conservatives who had brought Max and Carlotta over here

958
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: to rule with this this whole plan. You know, they thought, oh,

959
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: these guys are pushovers. There there's again. They're they're liberals,

960
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: will be able to manipulate them, will control them. The

961
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: whole point is that we just need European powers here,

962
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: and they were losing their damn minds over everything that

963
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: Max and Carlotta were doing. The what what in the world.

964
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: This isn't what we wanted. This wasn't the plan. Max

965
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: was extending voting rights to people beyond just landholders. Rageous.

966
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: How could you, How could you possibly be part of

967
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: deciding how your country has run when you don't even

968
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: own land in your country, You don't own any of

969
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: the country. Race You do is live here and experience

970
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: it work. Make everyone food and stuff. What's the big deal?

971
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean Max went so far as to offer President

972
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: Juarez amnesty if he would just swear his allegiance to

973
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: the crown. Hell. Max said he would make President Warez

974
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: the prime minister. He was really trying to give it.

975
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they agreed about more than anybody

976
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: else did. But Warez said no. He said hell no. Obviously,

977
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: Wires is like, I'm a native indigenous Mexican who came

978
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: into the president's he here. I'm not just going to

979
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: recognize any power from from these European usurpers, right, I

980
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: don't care who you are, I don't care how progressive

981
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: your ship is. Absolutely not. I'm not letting you come in.

982
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna bend the knee to you like that.

983
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,479
Speaker 1: Plus he had Washington on his side, you know, must

984
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: be nice and must be nice. President Lincoln was still

985
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: basically lie, Hey, yes, Warez, I got your back, boo.

986
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: I just got to finish the Civil War first, which

987
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: which feels like it's taking four score in seven years.

988
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: My right, folks, nobody appreciates my jokes. Lincoln, you keep

989
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: using the same joke over this four score seven years thing.

990
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: It's been really interesting. Math. You've been using that joke

991
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: for four score in seven years. Don't make run of

992
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: bath and you're joke. Well, that's true. Now I got

993
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: to calculate how much four scores. Then, in April of

994
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five, the Civil War ended, and America slowly

995
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: turned its head and stared down Mexico. And when President

996
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: Andrew Johnson succeeded Lincoln, he quickly invoked the Monroe Doctrine

997
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: and recognized Warez as the legitimate leader of Mexico. And

998
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: then they started putting pressure on Napoleon the Third and

999
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: his support of Max's empire and withdraw French troops. The

1000
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: American Army literally accidentally quote unquote lost arms depots to

1001
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: Warez his men at the Mexican border so they could

1002
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: provide them with weapons like unofficially, like, oops, oh, you know,

1003
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: I had a whole bunch of guns and cannons around

1004
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: here somewhere, and I just don't know. I thought I

1005
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: left them at these coordinates, but they didn't seem to

1006
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: be there anyway. We're just gonna walk away and not

1007
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: look now here you go, just like I guess I'll

1008
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: turn my head to the right. If anything happens to

1009
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: these weapons on my left, I guess I'll just miss

1010
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: it completely, right sore it just starts stocking his troops. Yeah,

1011
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: and Napoleon, who really started this whole thing with one

1012
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: ft out the door anyway, quickly went mexicatle thing. No,

1013
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't even care about Mexico. Actually, I mean, who

1014
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: even is this Maximilian guy who told him to go there?

1015
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: Not me? He's not my friend. I don't know her,

1016
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know her. And his troops started

1017
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: to withdraw, and Napoleon, who once said quote, my support

1018
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: will not fail you, even privately urged Max to give

1019
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: it up and come on home, because he was like,

1020
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: by the way, my support is failing you, right right.

1021
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: But Max knew a handful of things here that made

1022
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: that difficult one. There was nothing waiting for him back home.

1023
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean, his brother had stripped his powers. And if

1024
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: he came back to Austria in defeat, it's not like

1025
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: the Emperor was going to say, well, but here's everything

1026
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: you gave up back He would say, you know you

1027
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: knew what you were getting into. You agreed, even though

1028
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: he didn't agree because he waited until it was too

1029
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: late to tell him he was giving everything up, but

1030
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to give it back to him. At best,

1031
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: he'd just be living life like he was back at Miramar,

1032
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: board and powerless. Plus, Max had spent a lot of

1033
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: his personal money in Mexico because the Mexican coffers were

1034
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: often dry. He also knew that he had a divine

1035
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: calling to rule Mexico. I mean, this was a truth

1036
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: to him, and he believed strongly that more people wanted

1037
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: him there than didn't. So he asked a small conference

1038
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: of his supporters to vote on whether he should abdicate,

1039
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: and all of them, twenty three of them said no,

1040
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: he shouldn't do it, and Carlotta was also there, encouraging

1041
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: him to stay strong. In October of eighteen sixty, Max

1042
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: was in a tough spot unusual for him. I know

1043
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: he had been distracting himself from the troubles of the

1044
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: country with his favorite things, building fancy houses and planting

1045
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: fancy garden, and like, I get it, he needed to

1046
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: relax a little bit. There's a lot of strife going on.

1047
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: But this did not look really good to the locals

1048
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: who he was supposed to be all in favor of

1049
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: that he was like puttering around a garden. Yeah, it

1050
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: reminds me back in part one, if you remember that

1051
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: when he went to Austria to this council of Europeans

1052
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: who were all deciding what to do with Italy, and

1053
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: they didn't listen to him, and he was going to

1054
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: go back empty handed. He didn't go home. He went

1055
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: back to mirama Are and like chilled out there for

1056
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: three months and took a vacation. Because again, when things

1057
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: are going well, when the people love Max, he is

1058
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: on fire. He can't be stopped. But when it gets tough,

1059
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: he kind of retreats a little bit and doesn't really

1060
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: quite know what to do. When the going gets tough,

1061
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: Max gets going um And yeah, he went going to

1062
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: his garden and people were like, what the funk are

1063
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: you doing and between warez Is resurgence, Max's liberal policies,

1064
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: the French leaving and Max not really knowing what to do.

1065
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: He was losing a lot of support also, like in Italy,

1066
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: doing all these things as rightly as he could meant

1067
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: no one was happy with him, you know, classic democratic problem.

1068
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: Every if you're doing democracy right, everyone's a little bit that.

1069
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: And then he issued the October Decree that even he

1070
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: was not very proud of. It basically said anyone who

1071
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: formed an armed group without legal authority was to be

1072
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: judged by a court martial and if they were found guilty,

1073
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: even if they just belonged to this group and they

1074
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: hadn't done anything, they would be executed within twenty four hours.

1075
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: And it's estimated them more than eleven thousand of Warez

1076
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: his supporters were executed because of this decree, And of

1077
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: course that only inflamed the opposition against Max, because again

1078
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: he had come in talking all this big talk to

1079
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who had had promises broken over

1080
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: and over and over again, and then he went ahead

1081
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: and signed some crazy ship like this. It just didn't

1082
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: look I think that he thought people were more on

1083
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: the fence that the than they were, and that he's like,

1084
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: if I just put this really harsh sounding decree in place,

1085
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: everyone will back off and things will settle down and

1086
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: we can get back to normal. But people didn't back off.

1087
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: They doubled down, and then there's his soldiers ended up

1088
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: executing a bunch of people for for siding with the rebels. Basically,

1089
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: at this point in eighteen sixty six, every one saw

1090
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: the end coming from Max's empire. Napoleon had withdrawn the

1091
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: rest of his troops as war as his forces, bolstered

1092
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: by US support, rallied together and moved down towards Mexico City.

1093
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: Carlotta decided there was only one way that she was

1094
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: going to be able to help her husband. She traveled

1095
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: back to Europe to personally persuade Napoleon to reconsider and

1096
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: provide military support to her husband. She boarded a ship

1097
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: with her two adopted sons, and she set sail for Paris.

1098
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: Napoleon got worried about this ahead of time, and he

1099
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: sent a letter to her saying like, oh, I am

1100
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm very sick, actually really really yeah, it's really bad,

1101
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: just both ends. Everything it's coming out. You probably shouldn't

1102
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: even come you know, just just why don't you just

1103
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: forget about the whole thing. But that didn't dissuade Carlotta.

1104
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: She marched into his palace at St. Cloud with a

1105
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: twenty page brief that she had written out with her arguments,

1106
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: and she set him down and one by one told

1107
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: him everything he needed to do to help back in Mexico.

1108
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: And Napoleon was like, oh, you know, I can't do

1109
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: anything without the support of my ministry, and they don't

1110
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: really want to help, and there's just not a lot

1111
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: of money left. Do you all know how it is.

1112
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: It's a it's a whole thing, every big, the whole thing.

1113
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: But Carlotta was firm, and she said, you signed a

1114
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: treaty with us at Miramar. You promised Max you'd have

1115
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: his back. You have to help the Napoleon refused to

1116
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: negotiate any more financial or military favors from Mexico. He

1117
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: basically was like, is your country now, you fix it.

1118
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't care what I said before, which is what

1119
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: he was angling for way back when, when his countrymen

1120
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: were getting mad about the war over there. He was like,

1121
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: let's just get Max over there, and then it's Max's empire.

1122
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: It's not a French empire, it's the Mexican Empire, and

1123
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: it's not my problem anymore. Yep. So they Yeah, he

1124
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: totally did that, and Carlotta collapsed, like a serious collapse.

1125
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: She was absolutely hysterical. Two days later she met with

1126
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: him to try again, but again the meeting was cut

1127
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: short and Carlotta started to have a mental breakdown. Now,

1128
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: some historians say that there's evidence that she may have

1129
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: had some form of dementia or another mental illness. Pass

1130
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: Lip rights in her book that one of the Mexican

1131
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: court doctors had been putting bromide in her coffee, and

1132
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: rumors had spread that the Empress was being slowly poisoned

1133
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: into madness. Others say that she had been psychologically damaged

1134
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: ever since the death of her mother when she was ten.

1135
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: She allegedly asked them to bury her mother next to

1136
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: her bedroom so that she could continue to play with her.

1137
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, well you might just be ten and not right.

1138
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of one of the things too, But but

1139
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: a lot of some of them. Again, this is such

1140
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: an abridged version of the story. Some historians point to

1141
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: a lot of other little examples throughout her life that

1142
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: are like. She might have been a little crazy. She

1143
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: did seem to have a bit of an obsessive, obsessive

1144
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: relationship with Max. I was about to say, she doesn't

1145
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: get um fixated, very fixated. So, and her father and

1146
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: her grandmother had just died right before she arrived in Europe,

1147
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 1: So this, along with her struggles with Napoleon and all

1148
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: the chaos back home with her husband, could have triggered

1149
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: a mental breakdown. Whatever the cause, she became paranoid, and

1150
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: she started to think that assassins were trying to poison

1151
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: her everywhere she went. She barely ate or drank anything,

1152
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: and she wouldn't trust anyone. She even made a stop

1153
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: at the Vatican to ask for help from Pope Pious

1154
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: the ninth. Starved and confused, she barged into his private

1155
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: room where he was having breakfast, and threw herself at

1156
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: his feet and begged for his protection from assassin's Napoleon spies.

1157
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: And then she grabbed his hot chocolate, dipped her fingers

1158
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: in it, and licked them clean, shouting, I'm starving. Everything

1159
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: they give me is poisoned. The pope quote treated her

1160
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: as gently as if she were a frightened child. And

1161
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: he rang for another cup of chocolate for his guest,

1162
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: but she told him it would be poison, and she

1163
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: begged him to share his own with her. He's probably like, well,

1164
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: go ahead and putting another one in here for me.

1165
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: Lady just put her hands in my right. So yeah,

1166
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: he was getting a little annoyed, but he let her

1167
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: have the drink, at which point she suddenly got quite

1168
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: calm and rational, and she started talking about Mexico. But

1169
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: she would pause at random intervals to ask him what

1170
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: the best antidote for poison was. Quote the rosary and

1171
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: prayer was his answer. Very helpful, Thank you so much.

1172
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened last time I called poison control.

1173
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: They were like, don't get it in your eyes, but

1174
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: if you do rosary in prayer. So the Pope finally

1175
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of got rid of her by asking his cardinal

1176
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: to show her around the Vatican Museum. Don't you want

1177
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: to go see the shiny things? Basically, there's a painting,

1178
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: some famous paintings. So he came in and picked her

1179
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: up and started a leader in the museum, at which

1180
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: point the Pope managed to slip out the back and

1181
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: make his escape. They had a dog her, who was

1182
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: disguised as a chamberlain bring her back to her hotel.

1183
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: But when she arrived, she realized her keys were missing.

1184
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: They had been taken away with the intention of keeping

1185
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: her locked up overnight, and so she went into a fit,

1186
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: screaming that assassins were waiting for her inside her room.

1187
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: So she begged to go back to the Vatican and

1188
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: stay under the protection of the Pope. And these guys,

1189
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: they didn't know what to do. You got a bunch

1190
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 1: of old religious dudes standing around, like, this's a crazy

1191
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: lady in my room. Here she's screaming and crying about that.

1192
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, they said. In eight

1193
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: hundred years of papal history, this had never happened before.

1194
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: They were like, I tried the Rosary and nothing right.

1195
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: They brought her back screaming and wailing, and with the

1196
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: utmost patients. The Pope asked for the Vatican Library to

1197
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: be converted into a bed chamber for her and said, quote,

1198
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: nothing has spared me in this life. Now a woman

1199
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: has to go mad in the Vatican. Yeah, this was

1200
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: the first time that a woman had ever spent the

1201
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: night inside the building. I was thus same thing. Are

1202
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: you sure they're very secretive over the first one, they

1203
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to hide. Yeah, there you go. Back in Mexico,

1204
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: things weren't much better for Max. Wirez. His troops were

1205
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: closing in on Mexico City and Max and his small

1206
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: army had to flee to the town of Carrataro. He

1207
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: had few counselors left. There had been an opportunity for

1208
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: him to flee the country, but he declined. It's rumored

1209
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: that he may have received a letter wrongly saying that

1210
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: Carlotta had died in Europe, and at this point he

1211
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: may have decided to just stay until the bitter end.

1212
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: Soon Carrataro was surrounded by Warez's army, and there was

1213
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,839
Speaker 1: an amazing seventy two day battle where hasslip wrights, quote

1214
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:01,480
Speaker 1: Emperor and soldiers alike fought with the same reckless bravery,

1215
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: and where even the ordinary citizens, down to the nuns

1216
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: in the convent helped in the defense, which is awesome.

1217
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: It's making me think of the Battle of Hogwarts. You

1218
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,879
Speaker 1: got the suits of armor clanking down the stairs, all involved,

1219
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: all those wizard nuns. Yeah, they tossed some plants over

1220
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: the side of the walls, and Max never lost his

1221
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: cool in all this chaos of battle. He wrote back

1222
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: to a friend in Miramar, saying, quote, the other day

1223
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 1: a grenade exploded almost at my feet. I'm sending you

1224
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: a small piece as a souvenir to put in our

1225
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: museum at Miramar. Like, no big deal, just a grenade blue,

1226
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: and here's a piece. And three times when they were

1227
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: pinned down, he asked one of his soldiers, a young boy,

1228
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: if there was any chance they could break through, And

1229
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: three times this kid had to tell him no, we'll

1230
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: get mowed down by their gunfire if we try. And

1231
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: Max responded with, quote, well then let us hope for

1232
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 1: a lucky bullet, like that's that's so chill. But the

1233
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: city finally fell in May of eighteen sixty seven, and

1234
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: Max tried to escape through enemy lines with the aid

1235
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,879
Speaker 1: of one of his few surviving allies, but he was captured.

1236
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: A rushed court martial was put together, and Max was

1237
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: convicted and sentenced to death. Back in France, Napoleon was

1238
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,879
Speaker 1: full of excuses. He had to answer for the safety

1239
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: of the Austrian Archduke in an experiment that many had

1240
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: thought was doomed from the start, and he basically said,

1241
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,959
Speaker 1: I tried to tell him to leave, but he refused

1242
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: my advice and decided to put together a rag tag

1243
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: army and win this thing for himself. In a speech

1244
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: at the opening of the spring session of the Legislative Assembly,

1245
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: he casually referenced quote the unfortunate events which prevented France

1246
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: from carrying out to the end the task of regenerating

1247
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: an ancient empire. When the sacrifices seemed to me to

1248
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: exceed the interests which brought us there, I resolved to evacue,

1249
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: wait the troops. But in the speech he mentioned nothing

1250
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: of Max, nor of the pressure from the US which

1251
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: pushed him out. That's so frustrating. I mean, first of all,

1252
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: he's saying, oh, the only reason we went there was

1253
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: to help revive an ancient empire. We were gonna We're

1254
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 1: gonna get them going again, like the good old days

1255
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: of the Aztecs. Like I don't think so, dude, pop

1256
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: altruistic reason, nothing, nothing personal. And then it's like, well,

1257
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: you know, we just we were losing too much, so

1258
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: I decided it was best if we come home. You know,

1259
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: that was my decision. You're welcome. And then totally no

1260
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: mention of Max. Nothing like, I'm not even gonna point

1261
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: out that I doomed this guy by lying to him

1262
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: and telling him this is a good idea when we

1263
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: all knew it wasn't. Also, I'm not going to point

1264
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: out how the US scared me shitless into leavings. That's

1265
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: also true. No, no, no, we need to put a

1266
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: nice spin on this. So it was up to Austria

1267
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 1: to try and save Max's life, and they made an

1268
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: appeal directly to the United States to try and persuade

1269
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: Juarez to release him and send him home. Franz Joseph

1270
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: even restored all of Max's titles and right he was

1271
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: convinced that the rebels would not dare to shoot an

1272
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: Austrian Archduke, Well, you've got a different idea about how

1273
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: things happen outside your own home there, buddy, it's so true,

1274
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: means well, but he's got a title. You wouldn't kill

1275
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: a man with a title, would you. And you're like,

1276
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't care about your fucking titles. I got a

1277
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: title to the title of my book, is I killed

1278
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:40,839
Speaker 1: the Austrian auster. Other European leaders and prominent citizens appealed

1279
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: directly to Oarez. Even the author of Victor Hugo, who

1280
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: was a staunch liberal who opposed the occupation of Mexico,

1281
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: and Giesseppe Garibaldi, who was an Italian general who helped

1282
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: unite a free Italy. They both made public please for

1283
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: Max's life to be spared because they were like, we

1284
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: don't want to emperor either, but like, don't kill this

1285
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: next guys. Why the patsy for Napoleon the third? Basically, yeah, exactly. Now,

1286
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: Warez respected Max, and he treated him and his generals

1287
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: with compassion while they were prisoners. But he was kind

1288
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: of in a tough spot too. I mean, he couldn't

1289
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: just come off as a tool of the Americans, you know,

1290
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: just because they helped him win this war. He couldn't say, well, now,

1291
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever they say. And he said that Max

1292
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: had no right to be treated as a prisoner of war.

1293
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: He said that Max usurped the throne with the help

1294
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: of foreign arms and quote incited Mexicans to revolt against

1295
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 1: the lawful government of the country, and with his own

1296
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: hand signed the October decree by which hundreds of innocent

1297
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: people had been put to death right and no matter

1298
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: how much we love Max, no matter how progressive his

1299
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: laws were. I mean, even him offering Warez the role

1300
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: of prime Minister in his cabinet. Warez wasn't wrong here.

1301
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: The only thing I'd argue is that it wasn't really

1302
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: Max who inside of the Mexicans to revolt against the

1303
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: lawful government. That was the Conservatives who then brought Max

1304
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: in as their leader and again lied to him and

1305
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: convinced him that everyone wanted him there. So that that

1306
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: one I'll give to Max. But he's not wrong that

1307
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: a European came into Mexico and said I'll rule you now,

1308
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, we're we can't just take that that.

1309
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: That's just such a frustrating thing about politics, especially foreign policy,

1310
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: when you're like feeling so much like this is even

1311
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: even Warez is like, yeah, you'd be a good emperor

1312
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,919
Speaker 1: if we wanted an emperor, but we don't want an emperor.

1313
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 1: So I can't give you any benefit of the doubt.

1314
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: I can't let you off easy. I have to set

1315
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: an example that no, we're not going to put up

1316
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: with this kind of thing. Exactly early in the morning

1317
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: of June nineteenth, sixty seven, Emperor Maximilian the First and

1318
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: two of his generals stood in front of a firing

1319
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: squad of seven Mexican soldiers. He had walked there with

1320
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: his head held high, and he turned to one of

1321
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: the men beside him and he said, quote, to die

1322
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: is not as difficult as you think. The soldier in

1323
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: charge of the firing squad was apparently so moved by

1324
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: the emperor's behavior that he attempted to apologize to him,

1325
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: but Max interrupted him and said, quote, you are a

1326
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: soldier and it is your duty to obey. Max went

1327
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 1: to each of the members of the firing squad and

1328
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: he handed them each an ounce of gold, and he

1329
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: asked them to aim well and not to shoot his face,

1330
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: so that his mother could look upon him again. The

1331
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: guns were readied, and Max stepped forward and called out

1332
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,919
Speaker 1: in Spanish, quote, I forgive everyone. I pray that everyone

1333
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: may also forgive me, and I hope that my blood,

1334
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: which is about to be shed, will bring peace to Mexico.

1335
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: Viva Mexico, Viva independencia. And with that the order was

1336
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: given and seven guns fired simultaneously. There was no cheering,

1337
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: even the soldiers who had fought so hard to capture Max.

1338
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: Were silenced. That's so sad, Like nobody wanted to kill

1339
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, and no one was happy that he

1340
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,440
Speaker 1: was dead, Like you said, I mean, it was politics,

1341
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 1: and it's terrible that someone who only ever wanted to

1342
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: do very much the right thing. You know, he was

1343
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: a little ambitious. He definitely wanted power, but he wanted

1344
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: power because he knew he could do good things, you know,

1345
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything wrong with that if

1346
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: you're like, put me in charge, because I really think

1347
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: I can help people, not the systems, not the people

1348
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: who are already fine, but I want to help the

1349
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: indigenous people. I want to help the poor. I want

1350
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: to help these people who aren't independent feel like they

1351
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: have some independence. Yeah. I happened to have the cloud

1352
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: that you don't have, and I want to use it

1353
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 1: for your benefit. But this was just a period of

1354
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: time where people didn't want the cloud at all. They

1355
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: literally were like, I don't want to be associated with that.

1356
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: And so it was like he was just the right

1357
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: guy in the wrong time. I mean, the best thing

1358
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: he probably could have done was gone over there taking

1359
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: control as emperor and said, all right, I declare that

1360
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: President Warez is in charge, you know, like that's it

1361
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: takes someone with that power giving up their power to

1362
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 1: really make a difference. Um. But but he, you know,

1363
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: he just felt he was very religious. He did feel

1364
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: divine mandate that it was best if he was in charge.

1365
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean again, these people are raised their whole lives

1366
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: to believe that they're chosen by God to be rulers,

1367
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: and he just happened to be one who had some

1368
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,679
Speaker 1: pretty good ideas. And it's just like in Part one,

1369
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: it's it's outrageous, it's heartbreaking, and it's insane to me

1370
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: that all of his goodness made everyone mad. Because if

1371
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: you remember when he was in charge of Italy, the

1372
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: Italians didn't like that. The Italians were happy with him

1373
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: because they were like, no, you should be fighting against

1374
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: this kind of control. And it makes sense who who

1375
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: could be next? Sure, this guy is great, but who

1376
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: comes after him? But still, it's it's so sad to

1377
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: see that doing the right thing gets you in the

1378
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: most trouble in these situations. You know, maybe if he'd

1379
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: been a ruthless dick, the Conservatives would have supported him,

1380
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: the French might have stayed, you know, who knows, or

1381
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: he'd probably be alive. Maybe, I guess, I don't know,

1382
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: who knows. It's it's hard to see how these things

1383
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: would shake out any differently, But it's just, yeah, he

1384
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: certainly was just no good deed goes unpunished, but that

1385
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: he's like, that's like his whole life, and he's someone.

1386
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: The of the reasons I was drawn so hard to

1387
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: this story is just I think for a story of

1388
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: an emperor, it's remarkably relatable that failure doesn't always come

1389
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 1: from where you expect it. You know, you don't always

1390
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: lose because you're screwed up. You know, no one's no

1391
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: one has full control over their environment. And I think

1392
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: no matter how much Max wanted to do the right thing,

1393
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: I think he always thought he had a little more

1394
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: control than he did. Um, even when he showed up like, well,

1395
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm emperor now, so whatever I say goes. But he

1396
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: was in the longer version of this story, he was

1397
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: struggling constantly to enact these progressive policies. Of course, the

1398
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 1: conservatives who brought him there were under the impression that

1399
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: they were going to control him, and in a lot

1400
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: of ways they did. Um, but they just hated him

1401
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: for what he was doing. On his own well, and

1402
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: he might have also had the good person Achilles heel,

1403
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: which is where you think, surely everyone just like me

1404
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: wants the same thing, all the people to be happy,

1405
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like ascribing the same goals

1406
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: and just being like, you just have a different method,

1407
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: but we all have the same goal, when in fact

1408
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: everyone around him at a completely different goal than he did.

1409
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 1: So he's working towards one thing, thinking they're all working

1410
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: towards that and just having different ideas maybe, but like

1411
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: they were working towards a totally different thing, and he'd

1412
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: never fit into that plan. And back in Europe, after

1413
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: her bizarre incident with the Pope, Charlotta's brother, Prince Philippe,

1414
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: came to collect her and bring her back to Miramar.

1415
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: Her other brother, who had been crowned King Leopold the

1416
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: Second of Belgium after the death of their father, was

1417
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: really worried about her, obviously, and he sent doctors to

1418
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: care for her. She was diagnosed with quote madness with

1419
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: fixed ideas of persecution, and she was sequestered in Miramar,

1420
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: guarded by Austrian security agents, but she believed her husband

1421
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: Max had ordered her to stay at Miramar and her

1422
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: family I wasn't really sure how to tell her about

1423
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: his death. They thought that it would destroy what little

1424
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: remained of her sanity if she knew he had been killed.

1425
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: When Franz Joseph restored Max's titles, Carlotta also became an

1426
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: archduchess once again. Because of this by law, Max's family

1427
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: became her legal guardians instead of her own family. But

1428
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: her own family pleaded with the in laws to allow

1429
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: her to return to Belgium and be cared for by

1430
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: her brothers and her nephews, and you know, Franz Joseph

1431
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: was like, sure, do you know, do what you want

1432
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: to do, um, But convincing Carlotta was going to be

1433
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: pretty difficult because again she thought Max had told her

1434
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: to stay in Miramar, so she was not going to

1435
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: be very easy to move. So her family decided the

1436
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: best course of action was to fake a telegram from

1437
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: Max telling her to go to Brussels, and that worked,

1438
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: so in July eighteen sixty seven, she left Miramar for

1439
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: the last time. Carlotta finally learned of Max's death in

1440
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: January of the following year, and it did indeed break her.

1441
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: She wrote nearly four hundred letters to a friend in Mexico.

1442
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 1: Sometimes they were up to twenty pages long, and in

1443
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: them she declared herself dead at the fall of the

1444
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: Mexican Empire. She worshiped Max's memory, and she collected everything

1445
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: that had ever belonged to him. She moved into a

1446
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 1: small castle very close to the king's own palace, and

1447
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: there he and his sons took extremely good care of her.

1448
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: She disappeared from the public entirely and spent her days

1449
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: in long silences or heated discussions with imaginary dignitaries, which

1450
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: her lady in waiting said were quote too incoherent for

1451
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: one to be able to guess what thoughts occupied her brain,

1452
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: But there were shreds of reality in them. Once, she said, quote, sir,

1453
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: one told you that one had had a husband. A husband, sir,

1454
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: then madness. Madness is made of events. If he had

1455
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: only been helped by Napoleon, Oh my god, stuff replaying

1456
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: in her head like these horrors over and over again.

1457
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: That's tragic. Well, and you know, I know we didn't

1458
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: bring it up earlier. Why she might have had a

1459
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: mental breakdown, But probably all the cognitive dissonance of doing

1460
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: the right thing and still getting all the worst outcomes

1461
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 1: was also had to have been a factor that would

1462
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: drive me insane. During World War One, Belgium was invaded,

1463
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: but her status as Archduchess of Austria protected her from

1464
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: the Germans. A sign was affixed to the gates of

1465
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: her castle by a German general which read quote, this

1466
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: domain property of the Crown of Belgium is occupied by

1467
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 1: her Majesty, the Empress of Mexico, arch Duchess Maximilian of Austria,

1468
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: sister in law of Emperor Friends Joseph our illustrious. Ally

1469
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: I ordered the German soldiers passing by here not to

1470
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: ring the bell and to leave the place untouched. That

1471
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: is great, thank you. She did not need no weird

1472
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: visitors knocking on her door. She lived out the rest

1473
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: of her life at that castle, and outlived everyone else

1474
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 1: who was involved in the Second Mexican Empire. She died

1475
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: peacefully at home on January nine seven, at eighty six

1476
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: years old. Some say that with her dying breath, she

1477
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: clutched her rosary and said Mexic. Other accounts say that

1478
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: she was laid on her bed instead of a lounger,

1479
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: that she had requested, and her final words were quote,

1480
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: I expressed myself badly in words, and I will regret it.

1481
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: I love that. That's hilarious. She's like, well, I guess

1482
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: I didn't make myself clear enough. I'm done in his bed,

1483
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be real bad about it in the afterlife.

1484
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: M But we prefer the words from Jose Triaga's book

1485
01:25:55,360 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: The Mexican Writings of Carlotta of Belgium quote, M mind

1486
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: the universe of the beautiful blonde haired foreigner god willing.

1487
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: We are remembered with sadness but without hatred. Well I do.

1488
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: I remember them without hatred and with sadness, and with

1489
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: a lot of sadness. Yeah, I'm very sad for them.

1490
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: Carlotta was buried in the Royal crypt of the Church

1491
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: of Our Lady of Lachin, near her home where she

1492
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: grew up. Max's body was embalmed and displayed in Mexico

1493
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: for a year, but the Austrians eventually collected it and

1494
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 1: returned him to the Imperial Crypt in Vienna. In Carato,

1495
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: on the Hill of Bells, where Max was executed, a

1496
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: memorial chapel was built by Mexico in nineteen hundred after

1497
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: diplomatic relations between Mexico and Austria were mended. It was

1498
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 1: designed by a Mexican architect, Maximiliano Mizzell, in an eclectic

1499
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: Viennese style, and it was commissioned by Max's brother, Emperor

1500
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: of Franz Joseph. Wow. I love that there. He's got

1501
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: such a complicated history in Mexico. But they built a

1502
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 1: memorial chapel to him. Well, I mean, when it's beautiful.

1503
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 1: When Paulo reached out with this story, he even said,

1504
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, they they learned him here with lies. I mean,

1505
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: everybody knew. It seems at least it's common knowledge at

1506
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: this point that a lot of people knew that he

1507
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: had been told a lot of bullshit. I think Wirez knew.

1508
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,839
Speaker 1: I think I think even then they were like, oh man,

1509
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: I hate that it's got to be you because I

1510
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 1: like you, but damn it is you, and that sucks.

1511
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: There's only one thing to do. Yeah, I mean, it

1512
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: sucks that that's, you know, the one thing you can do.

1513
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: I wish that it wasn't like that, but that is.

1514
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: Politics are like I mean, if you ask me also

1515
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: who I'm not in favor of capital punishment I don't

1516
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: think it's ever a good idea. I don't think it

1517
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: was a good idea here either, But um, because there

1518
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: was any number of I think, I mean, I don't know.

1519
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 1: The politics of the time. Mexico was certainly broken and

1520
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: needed to establish themselves to the US, to Europe, to

1521
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: everyone that we're strong and we don't need you coming

1522
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: in here screwing with our stuff. But I don't think

1523
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,799
Speaker 1: that means they had to kill him. I think Wirez

1524
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: could are just as easily said We're not like you Europe.

1525
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 1: We're compassionate and we care, and you know what we're

1526
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: gonna I don't know, We're going to send this guy

1527
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: to the US and they can deal with him or

1528
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: something like, you know, just not not say no harm,

1529
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: no foul to Europe, but something besides this execution. But

1530
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 1: it's it's you can see where he's coming from too. Again.

1531
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: He's he's got a appear to be a strong ruler

1532
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: in the face of he's staring down all these European

1533
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: emperors and the United States and trying to make a

1534
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: name for himself after having been in exile and had

1535
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: to fight to read to take his country back. Yeah,

1536
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 1: and well, and trying to establish like, hey, we we're good,

1537
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: like we don't we can govern ourselves. Yeah, I have

1538
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: to show you that. I know not only do I

1539
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: not need you, but I don't want you, and I

1540
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: will react badly if you show up, like I have

1541
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: to show you that well. And also I don't want

1542
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: to listen to what I'm not taking your advice or

1543
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: what to do next. And so I almost feel like

1544
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: the Austrians should have told the US reverse psychology, tell him, yeah,

1545
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: shoot him, Yeah, you should shoot that guy, And then

1546
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Mexico would have been like, well, we're not a tool

1547
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: of the United States. We're not gonna do what you say.

1548
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna let him go. Well you know, oh no,

1549
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: don't do that. Hindsight and all that. Well exactly, I'm

1550
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 1: a I'm borderline like frustrated because I'm just like, there's

1551
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: this is so abridged that and I and I hope,

1552
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 1: I really hope to the listeners that this came off

1553
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: as you know, with as much I hope you feel

1554
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: it strongly about the story as I do. I love

1555
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: this story and there's so much more to it that

1556
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: I wish we had just hours and hours and hours

1557
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: to tell I know when we were going over it,

1558
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: you were like, why is this not a four see

1559
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 1: in HBO show? I am ready okay and it would work.

1560
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:06,640
Speaker 1: Here's the deal, HBO. I know you're listening, call me

1561
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: up because I have got the show for you. And

1562
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: this there are so many other characters we didn't even

1563
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: get to talk about, like the Mexican generals and and

1564
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: Max's right hand men and like his family. Emperor Franz

1565
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: Joseph's wife. They're going to get an episode because she

1566
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: is also crazy and also tragic. And I when I

1567
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: read how she treated Charlotte, which was very rudely, she

1568
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: did not like Charlotte, I was I had this whole

1569
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: I had paragraphs in there about the two of them

1570
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: that I had to take out for time, and I

1571
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: was like, man, this lady sucks. She was a nightmare.

1572
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: And then I went to look at her Wikipedia and

1573
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: just like get a crash course in what she was like.

1574
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: And halfway through that, I'm like, this is that I

1575
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 1: feel so badly for this crazy woman, like she had

1576
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: it so rough and she actually uh similarly to Max

1577
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: and Charlotte in in reverse. Emperor Franz Joseph was crazy

1578
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: about her and she was not that into him. Um,

1579
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 1: so there's just a whole another story there. But so

1580
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 1: many characters in this world that, like you could have

1581
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: a a fourteen person cast, like main characters across on

1582
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: two continents, in many many different countries. Oh my god,

1583
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: for I think easy six seasons and so many dense stories. Yeah,

1584
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: so many great locations like beautiful and like parts of

1585
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: history that people don't really talk about, you know what

1586
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: I mean. I feel like we got the Tutors, we

1587
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 1: got the Vikings, we got the crown, we got you

1588
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But who is who is looking

1589
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: at eighteen thirties Austria and ship Like I didn't know

1590
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: anything about this Lombardo Venetia thing. I mean, none of that.

1591
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: And then I know you had to skip a whole

1592
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that was really interesting. They went to

1593
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: so many different places and there was all these cool

1594
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: revolutions going on and just exciting like global politics. So

1595
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: I mean again, Fiona, I know you're out there reading

1596
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 1: uh the the William and uh ellen Craft book right now,

1597
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: pick up pick up this book by Joan Hasslip next,

1598
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: and everybody grab that grab I have not read the

1599
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: New book that just came out, The Last Temper of

1600
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Mexico by Edward shaw Cross. But I intend to, um

1601
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: because I want to know what's new in this story,

1602
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: what else we've learned? Um, And just oh god, I mean,

1603
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: it's so thank you again Paulo for sending us this story,

1604
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 1: because there's all these little pockets of history that you do.

1605
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Of course, we've been around for thousands of years. There's

1606
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: billions of people. There's been billions and billions of people

1607
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 1: on the planet, and they've all got cool stories, um,

1608
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: you know, and you can't learn them all. So maybe

1609
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 1: you're here listening to this show because you just want

1610
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: the quick, hour long reader's stragest version of all these stories,

1611
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: or in this episodes case, many hours long. Um. But

1612
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 1: but I'm so glad to know it now, Like it's

1613
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: one I could have lived my whole life never knowing,

1614
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't have mattered to me at all. But

1615
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm so into it. These two people are fascinating to me.

1616
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: I am heartbroken that again, how much time could we

1617
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 1: spend on just Carlotta in Europe after she got home

1618
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: and and had her mental breakdown. We could talk about

1619
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: that for a long time, because it's not like she

1620
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: just sat around doing nothing. Um. But but I hope

1621
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: that this little taste it was as flavorful for you

1622
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: as it was for me. Um, because I'm just I'm

1623
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm rambling now because I'm so passionate about this particular story.

1624
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. It's beautiful, it's heartbreaking,

1625
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: it's fascinating, it's cool. They're great. I love them. And also,

1626
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, they had their their flaws. But although when

1627
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: we were going through it, I was kind of like, oh,

1628
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: feeling bad for them that they were sort of ahead

1629
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: of their time and all of these political ways and

1630
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 1: how they felt about how people should be. You know,

1631
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: that that rulers should be very community based and from

1632
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: the population and stuff like that. But I'm like, you know, truthfully,

1633
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: I think I really believe everyone is born exactly when

1634
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be born, and they needed to be

1635
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: there to push push those ideas at the time that

1636
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 1: if there was no one saying anything that was weird

1637
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: at this time, they never go anywhere. So I'm I'm

1638
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: I'm sad that it turned out how it turned out,

1639
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: but I'm very glad they were where they were where

1640
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: they were and that they did what they did and

1641
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: made what mark they made on history, because you I mean,

1642
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,719
Speaker 1: I guess you couldn't say that they had made huge

1643
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: changes for a bunch of people in Mexico or anything,

1644
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 1: but I think they showed people what they wished it

1645
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: was like. And everyone was so upset that they they

1646
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: were that he was killed or that he was even

1647
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: when they were just driven out of of um Marty Venetia,

1648
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: like they were like, damn, you know, obviously we want

1649
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: you to go because we want to be an independent place.

1650
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: But you know, you did a great job, and it's

1651
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: really too bad that you can't. That you're just not

1652
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 1: the right guy for right now. And then it kept

1653
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: happening to him, and it's just like, I guess, I'm

1654
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that he was there to whisper at

1655
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: least and say the things that he said and have

1656
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,919
Speaker 1: people go, you know, that guy has some really good ideas.

1657
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 1: That's true, that's real, that works. That worked. More than anything,

1658
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: He got popular support because of that, and I'm sure

1659
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 1: you need popular support, Marial or some of that. I'm

1660
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 1: sure that did have an impact. You know, I think

1661
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: that they did have a huge impact on on Italy,

1662
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 1: Austria and Mexico and France to some degree to because

1663
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: even in the very short time again there were only

1664
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: ever two emperors in Mexico, and neither of them were

1665
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: there for very long. And of course Mexico hasn't been

1666
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: an empire since Max was emperor there for about three years,

1667
01:35:54,360 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: a little less than three um. But but had it

1668
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 1: been anyone else, who knows what the outcome would have been.

1669
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean again, one of the reasons I love this story,

1670
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite things about learning history is

1671
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,879
Speaker 1: seeing how delicately it's all woven together and any change

1672
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: could change everything. And you see that here. If it

1673
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: had been anyone else, maybe Warez wouldn't have been able

1674
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: to come back and take over again. Maybe things would

1675
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 1: have gotten worse, maybe France would have stuck around, or

1676
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: maybe it would have been even a bigger of a

1677
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: disaster and the Conservatives would have ended up taking over

1678
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,759
Speaker 1: and Warez never would have come back. You know, any

1679
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: would have ruled for a very long time and been great,

1680
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 1: and then the next guy would have been and that

1681
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 1: would have been really fucked up. And now there's this

1682
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: crazy Mexican empire full of assholes. Maybe maybe Franz Ferdinand

1683
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: uh It gets adopted by Max, grows up in Mexico,

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01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 1: still gets assassinated there, and like World War two or

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01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:57,799
Speaker 1: World War One sparks and it's you know, Mexico versus

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01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: everyone I don't know or friends. Fern On this in

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01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 1: Mexico growing up, and he goes, you know what, I

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01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 1: just got a wild hair to go to Sarajevo for

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01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: some reason. I'm just gonna go go there for a

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01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: little baking. There's no telling. I mean we could, we

1691
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,920
Speaker 1: could butterfly effect this thing all day long. Well, that's

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01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 1: why I love speculation station. You can make anything happen

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01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: in there, that's right, So we could speculate all day.

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01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: I think we went to speculation stations. Probably not all right,

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01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: well speculation station. Maybe all this took blazon speculation station.

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01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: And it's all a dream And you're gonna wake up

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01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: tomorrow and you're going to be Max, and you're gonna

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01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I dreamed I was in the future

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01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: and there was a podcast that said, how horribly my

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01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 1: life went, and you'll make all the changes you need

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01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 1: to make to survive. And your wife goes, what's a podcast?

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01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. You're crazy. No, She's like, stop

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01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: gaslighting me. He's like, I'm not. I literally think that

1704
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: you might have like something going on, and she said

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01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:55,799
Speaker 1: it in the podcast. She's like, now you sound crazy

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01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 1: and then they both end up locked up in the castle.

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01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 1: So wow, we ended up right back for rewards. We'd

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01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: better let you go. We've been here for so long

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01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 1: and I love this episode, but I am letting it

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01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: drag so but yes, it's always We would love to

1711
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: hear what you think about this story. Hopefully you love

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01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: it as much as we did, and we're as touched

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01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: by these guys story as we were. Please reach out.

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01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Our email is Romance at I heart media dot com.

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01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: That's right, or find us on Twitter and Instagram. My

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01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 1: handle us are at Oh Great, It's Eli and I'm

1717
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:33,679
Speaker 1: at Danamite Boom and the show is at Riddick Romance,

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01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 1: So follow along. Tune in next week. We've got another

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01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 1: very exciting episode for you, full of Oh your nerds

1720
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 1: are gonna love it. I'll just say that I have

1721
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 1: been enjoying it myself. Yes, So stay tuned and we

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01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 1: will see you at the next one. Thanks for listening

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01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 1: by so long friends, It's time to go. Thanks so

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01:38:56,160 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: listening to our show, tell your friends names, uncle's in eyes.

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Speaker 1: Good to listen to what so ridiculous? Well yes, m