1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 6 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: episode or Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: about the recent allegations against jay Z. Bit of conversation 11 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: on this week's full episode about Sean McGowan of the Pogues, 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: and we hear from you on your favorite Christmas songs, 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: and of course we are diving into your voicemails, text 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: and more, and as always, a whole lot of rosie. 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: All right, discoes, let's get into it all right. This 16 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: past Sunday, jay Z was accused of raping a thirteen 17 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: year old girl alongside his buddy fellow billionaire hip hop 18 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: mogul Sean Diddy Combs. I detailed this Comb's allegation a 19 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago here in the after Party. Quick refresh. 20 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Though it's the year two thousand. MTV Video Music Awards 21 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: are happening in Manhattan. Did He throws an after party. 22 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: A young girl is invited off the street via one 23 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: of Diddy's chauffeurs. The girl attends the party, she's drugged. 24 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: She passes out in one of the bedrooms. Sean Combs 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: enters sees that the drug has taken effect on the 26 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: young girl. The plaintiff, who was groggy at the time 27 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: from the drug, was not completely passed out, and according 28 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: to her, remember jay Z entering the room with Shawn Combs, 29 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: a maniacal looking Shawn Combs by the way, who looks 30 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: through to the eye and says, you are ready to party? 31 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: Who now? The accuser then claims that Combs violently threw 32 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: her against the wall and alleges that that's when jay 33 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Z ripped off her clothes, held her down, and raped 34 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: her while yet another celebrity, a female, a female celebrity, 35 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: watched this all happen and when the quote unquote God 36 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: Empsey gross, I hate that, I hate that nickname finished 37 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: at that point, when jay Z was done, Sean Combs 38 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: then raped this thirteen year old as well, and Jay 39 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: Z allegedly watched with the female celebrity watching as well. Now, 40 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: it has to be said that these are just allegations. 41 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: It has to be said that Sean Diddy Combs has 42 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 1: adamantly this specific allegation and all allegations of abuse against him. 43 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Now it also needs to be said that Jay Z 44 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: has also denied this accusation, saying this past Sunday, when 45 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: news of the lawsuit broke the following and I'm going 46 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: to read you jay Z's entire response to these charges 47 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: because it's important. The guy's not guilty yet. Okay, No 48 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: matter what you think guilt by association, you like the guy, 49 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: you don't like the guy, He's still innocent until proven guilty. 50 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: And this is what he is saying in response to 51 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: the allegations against him. Quote. My lawyer received a blackmail 52 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: attempt called a demand letter from a quote unquote lawyer 53 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: named Tony Busby. What he had calculated was the nature 54 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: of these allegations in public scrutiny would make me want 55 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: to settle. You have to excuse the poor writing here 56 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: and bad grammar and usage. This I'm reading of verbatim. 57 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: The quotes go on to say, no, sir, it had 58 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: the opposite effect. You want to expose you for the 59 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: fraud you are in a all caps, very public fashion, 60 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: So no, I will not give you all caps one 61 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: red penny. These allegations are so heinous in nature that 62 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: I employ you to file a criminal complaint, not a 63 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: civil one two exclamation points. Whomever would commit such a 64 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: crime against a minor should be locked away? Would you 65 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: not agree these alleged victims would deserve real justice if 66 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: that were the case. This lawyer, who I have done 67 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: a bit of research on, seems to have a pattern 68 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: of these type of theatrics. I have no idea how 69 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: you have come to be such a deplorable human, mister Busby, 70 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: but I promise you I have seen your kind many 71 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: times over. I'm more than prepared to deal with your type. 72 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: You claim to be a marine. Marines are known for 73 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: their valor. You have neither honor nor dignity. My only 74 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: heartbreak is for my family. My wife and I will 75 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: have to sit our children down, one of whom is 76 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: at the age when her friends will surely see the 77 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: press and ask questions about the nature of these claims 78 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: and explain the cruelty and greed people I mourn yet 79 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: another loss of innocence. Children should not have to endure 80 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: such at their young age. It is unfair to have 81 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: to try to understand inexplicable degrees of malice meant to 82 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: destroy families and human spirit. My heart and support goes 83 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: out to true victims in the world who have to 84 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: watch how their life story is dressed in costume for 85 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: profitability by this ambulance chaser in a cheap suit. You 86 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: have made a terrible error in judgment thinking that all 87 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: celebrities are the same. I'm not from your world. I'm 88 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: a young man who made it out of the projects 89 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: of Brooklyn. We don't play these types of games. We 90 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: have very strict codes and honor. We protect children. You 91 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: seem to exploit people for personal gain. Only your network 92 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: of conspiracy theorists fake physics. That's right, fake physics will 93 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: believe the idiotic claims you have levied against me. If 94 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: not for this seriousness, surrounding harm to kids would be laughable. 95 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: I look forward to showing you just how different I 96 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: am unquote. I have so many thoughts, guys. First of all, 97 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: what the fuck was that? Okay? I get that he's 98 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: he's saying he didn't do it. I get that he's 99 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: going after Tony Busby personally, and he should. This is 100 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: a very personal issue. But he knew this was coming, 101 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: and he seems to have had this statement prepared based 102 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: on how quickly it came out on Sunday. But dude, 103 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: let me tell you about this thing called grammarly dot com. 104 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Run this thing through a copy of it. Matt Boden 105 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: right now is fucking dying inside having to let this 106 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: grammar and usage go forth in a disgrace land episode. 107 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: But a couple of serious things here. He does say 108 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: fake physics, by the way, I think he meant to 109 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: say fake psychics. And I just I got a comment 110 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: Jaz calls a young man. He's fifty four, God love him. 111 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: Jay Z is a master of the media. He is 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: a ruthless businessman. So when you hear this, take all 113 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: of that into account and I'm not going to pass judgment, 114 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: but I'm just giving you the information, all right, Okay, 115 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: So that's where we're at with this story. Sort of. 116 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: More news has broken since the allegations in since jay 117 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: Z's response, But I want to hit on a couple 118 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: things relevant to what we just spoke of. Here, Okay, 119 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: jay Z is accusing the attorney Tony Busby who filed 120 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: this lawsuit of extortion. Buzzby has issued a statement denying 121 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: that he is extorting jay Z and claiming that he 122 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: simply said a demand what's called demand to jay Z 123 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: on behalf of his client seeking mediation. In other words, 124 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: Buzzby is saying, no, jay Z, I didn't extort you. 125 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to blackmail you. I simply I'm not 126 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: even looking for money. My client wasn't even looking for money. 127 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: We just wanted to get you to come to the 128 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: table with a mediator to discuss these allegations and to 129 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: come to some sort of settlement, right Buzzby, He's the 130 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: issue a formal statement. Like I said, I'm not going 131 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: to read it to you. Buzzby's statement here that I 132 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: just depicted it's true, but it's also disingenuous. I've read 133 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: the demand, and at the risk of turning this into 134 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: a legal podcast, which I don't want to do, I'm 135 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: not going to read it to you in full like 136 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: I just did jay Z's response, but I can tell 137 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: you that the demand from Busby is kind of extortiony. 138 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: It basically gives jay Z, like I said, the right 139 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: to come to the table to negotiate this matter out 140 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: of court. It's not black and white. It's very carefully 141 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: worded and it's also kind of clever. Now, does that 142 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: mean jay Z is innocent? No, doesn't mean he's guilty either. 143 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: Does that mean that Tony Busby is crooked? No, And 144 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that he's on the level either. It 145 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: means he's a lawyer, he has a client, he's trying 146 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: to do right buyer, and I'm sure that's settling this 147 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: out of court for millions of dollars rather than going 148 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: through a million dollar trial that will undoubtedly result in 149 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: this claimant's identity coming out in her life getting turned 150 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: upside down. That's more preferable to Tony Busby professionally. Now, 151 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: it should be noted that jay Z has countersued Tony Busby. However, 152 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: it should also be noted that Tony Busby is welcoming 153 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: the fight, and it seems he's also got the goods 154 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: on jay Z's attorneys, who he claims have been harassing 155 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: local Texans who are familiar with Buzzby and his firm. 156 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: It's attempting to pay them one thousand dollars a pop 157 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: minimum to go on record to talk shit about Tony Busby, 158 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: to create a narrative here about Tony Busby being a 159 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: bad guy, being a liar, being full of it, being 160 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: an unscrupulous, dishonest attorney. I want to point out though, 161 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: that the sourcing on this piece of the story, the 162 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: sourcing that I've seen on this particular claim about Tony 163 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: Busby where he's saying that he's got j Attorneys representatives 164 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: on tape trying to essentially bribe people who know him 165 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: to come out and speak against him. I gotta say, 166 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it right here. In the numerous instances 167 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: on the Internet where I've seen this story pop up, 168 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: the sourcing is light. It is thin. But but just 169 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: because it's weak, it doesn't mean it's not true. Okay, 170 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: we as we've already seen here, there's been numerous moments 171 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: when elements of this ditty story have popped up where 172 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: we're weak weekly uh should I say thin? Thinly sourced 173 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: information ended up proving to be true. But we've seen 174 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: the opposite as well. Case in point that that Jamie 175 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: Foxx Netflix thing hit last night and what people on 176 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: the Internet thought was coming about Diddy did not come okay, 177 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: So big fat disclaimer on this piece of the story 178 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: that allegedly has Jay's lawyers attempting bribery against Tony Busby, 179 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: that said, Buzzby has not given an inch in jay Z. He, 180 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: unlike Sean Combs, is opting for a scorched earth response 181 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: to Busby's client's allegations. Now, Busby isn't an idiot. He 182 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: had to have known that jay Z's response was a 183 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: pall possibility. And if he was gonna go down this 184 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: road against a multi billionaire, one of those powerful men 185 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: in entertainment, he's got to have evidence to prove out 186 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: his client's case. Otherwise, well, I don't know. Otherwise it's 187 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: a shocking act of hubris and just stupidity. So what 188 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: could the proof be? DNA? Perhaps maybe seems like a stretch. 189 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: This happened twenty four years ago. Video footage always a possibility, 190 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: but the year two thousand was a much different time 191 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: than twenty twenty four, and it just seems too easy 192 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: that there would be video footage of this incident. A 193 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: corroborating eye witness, someone at the party testifies that they 194 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: saw these individuals all go into the room together. I 195 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: guess that's possible. What about testimony from the third person 196 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: in the room, the unnamed quote unquote female celebrity. What 197 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: if that female celebrity is not just a no name, 198 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: but a person who has credibility with us, credibility with 199 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: the public, A person who she came out, sat down 200 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: in front of a camera on a big budget, trusted, 201 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: legacy media news program and laid all the cards on 202 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: the table, and you know, had a story that went 203 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: something like, you know, I was young, I was, I 204 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: was drugged myself. Perhaps I was drunk, I was, I 205 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: was easily impressed upon. I didn't know what was happening 206 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: at that time. I was an attic. I'm now clean, 207 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: I've found God all this stuff and yes, I'm I'm 208 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: okay now. But jay Z Sean Combs, you know, I 209 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe, I mean, that could be very compelling 210 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: for the American public, could be very compelling for a judge, 211 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: for a jury. Okay, that could be interesting. But I doubt, however, 212 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: that that person, that celebrity, that female, that a list celebrity, 213 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: would be collaborating with Tony Busby in a civil case 214 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: as opposed to collaborating with authorities in a criminal case, 215 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: because what's the leverage. I suppose the leverages Tony buzz 216 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: people will make her name public, But I don't know. 217 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean maybe that's powerful enough. You know, in a 218 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: civil case, which this is, this case has nothing to 219 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: do with law enforcement. In a civil case, the burden 220 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: of proof is much lower because the judgment is just 221 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: financial damages. It's not jail time. But what can happen 222 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: in a civil case, and I believe what has already 223 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: happened as it pertains to the Shawn Combs legal drama, 224 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: is a civil case can become so damning and can 225 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: have so much evidence attached to it that that civil 226 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: case can compel a criminal prosecutor to bring charges. Remember 227 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Cassi Ventura's lawsuit that Shawn Combs settled out of court 228 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: for thirty million dollars. That was a civil case, and 229 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: that civil case and that settlement inspired numerous other civil 230 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: cases to quickly be filed against Shawan Combs, including the 231 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: one from Rodney Little, Rodge Jones. Those civil cases, more specifically, 232 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: the evidence within those civil lawsuits I believe inspired federal 233 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: prosecutors to raid Sean Combs's house and ultimately to indict 234 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: him under federal law. If you read the Cassi Ventura indictment, 235 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: and you read the little Rod Jones indictment which I have, 236 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: and then read the federal indictment which I also have, 237 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: you quickly see that they're all part of the same piece. 238 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: The charges and the details and the federal criminal complaint 239 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: are so similar to the Ventura in Jones's civil lawsuits 240 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: that it would not surprise me at all to learn 241 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: the Cassie Ventura and Lulerod Jones are cooperating with Fed's 242 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: against Diddy. So what does this mean? If I know this, 243 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: then jay Z's lawyers definitely know this, and that means 244 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: that the smart play for jay Z is to go 245 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: full gladiator retaliation to Tony Busby. Regardless of whether he's 246 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: guilty or not, he has two and a half billion dollars. 247 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: He can take his chance as fighting this thing. In 248 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: the process, the benefit that risk is he's sending a 249 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: message to future claimants that don't fuck with me. I'm 250 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: jay Z, the God MC. I will rain down upon 251 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: thee with furious vengeance in the form of an army 252 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: of lawyers. And this contains the issue for jay Z, 253 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: and it keeps it from sprawling into the mess the 254 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: Diddy has created for himself by by settling with Cassie Ventura. 255 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: That's what kicked it all off for Sean Combs. What 256 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: blows all of this up. Like I said, if Buzzby 257 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: has proof that comes out in court, if Buzzby has 258 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: other victims of jay Z's or just other victims in 259 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: general of jay Z's or witnesses come out they go public, 260 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: or if they go directly to the Feds. If more 261 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: information gets out there, despite jay Z's scorched Earth gladiator 262 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: legal response, and once again the Feds are put into 263 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: a box. And if that info gets out there, the 264 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: FEDS are going to be compelled to bring a case 265 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: against jay Z, just as they have against Sean Combs. 266 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying that's going to happen, but what 267 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: I am saying is that jay Z's legal team they 268 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: know every which road this thing can spiral down, and 269 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: they are playing against those possibilities. And that is very 270 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: much part of jay Z's response, whether or not he 271 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: is actually innocent or actually guilty, regardless of what happens 272 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: this story, the jay Z part of the story is 273 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: far from over. He's not backing down, and neither is 274 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: Tony Busby. That is a lot. It's a lot of information, guys. 275 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: It's only been what four or five days since this 276 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: news broke. We're gonna get a lot more of it, 277 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: and I'll I'll have a little bit more of this 278 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: in the all access portion of this episode on jay Z, 279 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: we can get to I gotta say this. I released 280 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: the jay Z episode back in twenty twenty, and man, 281 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: oh man, has mine opinion of this guy changed. Since 282 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that jay Z is guilty, I legitimately 283 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: do not know. If I'm betting, I'd say the odds 284 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: are even. That's not good. My gut, in other words, 285 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: tells me that there's a fifty percent chance that jay 286 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: Z is a bad dude. And I can in the 287 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: all access portion of so I'm gonna talk a little 288 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: bit more about what I mean by that. It's my gut, 289 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: all right, it's you know, you know, all qualifiers go 290 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: with that. If I thought this back in twenty twenty, 291 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: then that jay Z episode would have come out much differently. 292 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: Back then, I was kind of an awe of jay 293 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: Z is not only an artist, but as an entrepreneur. 294 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: I gotta say this too. I fucking love jay Z's music. 295 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: I love it all right. I think he's a genius. 296 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: I really truly do. And in that episode I make 297 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: the case that he's kind of a modern day Sinatra, 298 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: But man, I don't know it's different now. Anyways, that episode, 299 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: it's available for you in the archive. You can check 300 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: it out if you want to get a bit more 301 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: backstory on jay Z, even if you've alread heard, if 302 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: you want to revisit it. The nightclub stabbing, how he 303 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: handled that. It's similar, big, big, super high profile criminality. 304 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: Not a criminal case, I almost say criminal case, but 305 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: still high profile, front page of all the tabloids. Coincidentally, 306 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: at the exact same time, at the exact same time 307 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: the news of the nightclub stabbing with jay Z broke 308 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: back in the late nineties, Sean Combs was on trial 309 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: for a nightclub shooting. Interesting, huh, these guys are close. 310 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: More on that. Like I said in the all access 311 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: portion of this But anyways, if you want a little 312 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: more on jay Z's backstory, you want to have it 313 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: in mind while all this current news is filling your feeds, 314 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: check out the jay Z episode Disgraceful. All right, Speaking 315 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: of rewind episodes, it's Christmas time and that means we 316 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: have our Mariah carry episode coming your way right after 317 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: this one. Mariah and her bags of money that she 318 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 1: makes every year from her annual chart top one thing 319 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: All I Want for Christmas Is You song that is 320 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: currently number one of the Billboard Hot one hundred, as 321 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: it usually is at least for a couple of weeks 322 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: every year. Come this time anyway, check out the dark 323 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: story of the Christmas Miracle that keeps on giving, Mariah 324 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: Carey and her Banana's relationship with her wackado husband music 325 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: mogul Tommy Mottola. That's coming up in this week's rewind episode, 326 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: which will be next in your feed after this episode 327 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: that you're listening to right now. As always, if you're 328 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: listening to this bonus episode sometime in the future and 329 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: you can't find the Mariah Carey rewind episode, well that 330 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: just means that it's shifted back into its rightful place 331 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: in the archive. You can search your player, you can 332 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: search the web for Disgraceland and Mariah Carey, or you 333 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: can just go to our website Disgrace lampod dot Com. 334 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: All right next week on Tuesday, one of my favorite 335 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: episodes that we have created to date. I feel like 336 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: I say that every week. You know that means means 337 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: I love my job, means I'm psyched, I'm creatively plugged in. 338 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: I love this. I haven't heard the mix yet, Matt 339 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: Matt's mix in it, I think as we speak, but 340 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: I've written it and I'm pretty pumped on it. And 341 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: if you like rock and roll, miss this is for you. 342 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: It's on Elvis pres and Johnny Ace. Okay, if you 343 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: like rock and roll myths, if you like conspiracy, if 344 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: you like gangster stories, this story is for you. And 345 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: it also bonus takes place at Christmas, so I cannot 346 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: wait for you to hear it. And when you're listening, 347 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: be thinking about the rock and roll myths. Okay, which 348 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: ones are your favorites, Which ones are the most unbelievable? 349 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: Which ones are you aware of are not true and 350 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: have been busted? Let me know, Rod Stewart in the Stomach, 351 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: Pump Mama Cass and the ham Sandwich, Michael Hutchinson, the 352 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, hit me up, Hit me up, whatever myth 353 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: you think of related to music, because I want to 354 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: dive into them in next week's after party with you 355 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: right here in this space. All right, I'm gonna take 356 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: a quick break. I'll be back on the other side 357 00:20:40,600 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: with your voicemails, texts and dms. All right, guys, we're back. 358 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: Can you hear that. I don't think you can hear that. 359 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't think you can hear that. I record these 360 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: after party episodes differently than I record the full episodes, 361 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: because it's a different type of thing. I do them 362 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: from my desk. I do them in the studio that 363 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: I'm currently building, though construction has ceased, it's about to 364 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: pick up again in January. But outside right now, they 365 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: are building my neighborhood as we speak, and there's some trucks, 366 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: and I apologize if you're getting any of that noise. 367 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Matt has found some handy AI device that can clean 368 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: up the sounds around my microphone. I'm doing a very 369 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: poor job of explaining that, but we should be good 370 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: to go. But these trucks are frickin' loud. I'm trying to, 371 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, stop and start record to make sure that 372 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: you're not hearing the noise. If you do get some 373 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: of that there. It is hear that, he hear that, 374 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: that little sneaky fucker perfect timing. If you hear any 375 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: of that, I apologize, but we're doing our best to 376 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: clean it up and keep it out. Yeah, we're back. 377 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: Like I said, before we get to your calls, before 378 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: we get to your texts, before we get to your dms, 379 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Did you know Shada 380 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: isn't sha DA's name. I mean it is, but it isn't. 381 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: It's actually the name of her band, Shade, the singer 382 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: we've been calling Shade. Her name is Helen, Yes, Helen, 383 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: Helen has been singing smooth operator to you all these years, 384 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: and not the super sexy Shadah. Shada again is the 385 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: name of the band, but it's also part of Shade's name, Helen, 386 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: full of Shaday. 387 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: I do. 388 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Now I do, and now you 389 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: do too, or maybe you already knew it. I just 390 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: thought it was interesting, thought it was worth sharing. Speaking 391 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: of sharing, Ben from the eight to oh three called 392 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: in to share the following. 393 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: Jake, this is Ben from the eight oh three man. 394 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 3: I discovered a disgrace last few months. Back went back, 395 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: started episode one and dug my way through the entire 396 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: catalog till I am current. Just wanted to way in 397 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: on this week's question, Sir, The greatest Christmas song ever written, 398 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 3: hands down Barnan's Merry Christmas from the Family from one 399 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 3: mister Robert Earl Keane. It's everything that's cool about our 400 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 3: law country, red dirt country, whatever you want to call it, Americana. 401 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 3: I said it's it's bold, and it's offensive in parts, 402 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 3: but it's only offensive because it hits so close to 403 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: home for so many others. I guaranteed check it out. 404 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 3: It will be on your playlist. Keep doing what you're doing, brother, 405 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 3: You're amazing. Love your work, Ben. 406 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. Robert Earl Keene, I have 407 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: never heard this song, but I am intrigued now. I 408 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: want to thank you for the message. Appreciate appreciate the 409 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: new listening as well, and the call six one seven 410 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: nine or six sixty six three eight if you guys 411 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: want to connect with us like Ben. Ben's call on 412 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: fear Christmas song is a response to the question we 413 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: asked in last week. The end of last week Shane 414 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: McGowan episode Seane McGown of course, wrote one of, if 415 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: not my absolute favorite Christmas song, fairy Tale of New York, 416 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: and the episode is largely about that. It's also a 417 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: little bit about Chain's background. I hope you guys get 418 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: a chance to check it out if you have not already. 419 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: And on the sort of this question, we're going to 420 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: talk about a bunch of your favorite Christmas songs here 421 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: in a bit, a bunch of your recommendations. And in 422 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: the Patreon we've got a good little back and forth 423 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: going in the chat on favorite Christmas songs and one 424 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: of the disco's Chris on it. That's not his real name, 425 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: that's his stage name or DJ name. Chris has put 426 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: together a massive Spotify playlist called Disgraceline Christmas Songs. It's 427 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: got all of your songs that you've recommended here and elsewhere. 428 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: Chris has been curating this. Go to Spotify and just 429 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: search Disgraceline Christmas Songs. Chris. If you're listening, I hope 430 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: you add these new songs in there. And Chris, just 431 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: shout out, man, thanks for doing this. Appreciate you. I 432 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: appreciate the crowded House vinyl that you sent me that 433 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: I have not been able to listen to yet, because 434 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: my record player is currently on the fritz. I might 435 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: listen to it. Mike, my son's got this little uh 436 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: third Man Records record player. It's like one of those 437 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: old school toy record players with the speaker read in 438 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: the same same kind of suitcase with the with the turntable. 439 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: It sounds like shit, but it sounds like shit in 440 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: a cool way. I don't know. Maybe I'll check out 441 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: the crowded House final on that anyways. Chris appreciate you. 442 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight 443 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: Scott from the five to six to two. 444 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: Jake got from the five to six to two. My 445 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: favorite Christmas song is two thousand Miles by the Pretenders. 446 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: It's not really a Christmas song. It's more of a 447 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 2: tribute to James Honeyman. Scott a guitar player, and I 448 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: think it's just a beautiful song. And I'm from Ohio 449 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: and when I go back sometimes at Christmas time, it's 450 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: just it's very melancholy. Okay, Jake, love the show. Thanks bye. 451 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: Miles from Pretender's amazing song. Incredible song. And we're gonna 452 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: do a Chrissy Hinde episode. We got real close to 453 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: doing it. This year, we didn't. We're gonna do one soon, 454 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: I believe in the new year at some point, Scott, 455 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: thanks for the call. Six one seven rights in, Jake, 456 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna cover why. Fairytale of New York is probably 457 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: the best all caps Christmas song of all time, but 458 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: a close second is The Waitresses. The Waitresses Christmas rapping. 459 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: Excuse me four minutes and thirty seconds to tell an 460 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: entire year of misconnections and opportunities wrapped up with a 461 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: serendipitous meeting in New York. Bodega lyrics, music storytelling skills 462 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: are all off the charts. Well now, I am super 463 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: intrigued and I can't wait to check this out. Three 464 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: to one two rights in. Good morning, Jake. I'm just 465 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: catching up with the Disgrace Sland episodes and heard you're 466 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: soliloquy about how rock and roll is dead and it's 467 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: never coming back, and this is a crazy false statement. 468 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: It's not as dominant as it once was, but it's 469 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: still there. There are a lot of new, exciting bands 470 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: putting out quality stuff. We just won't hear them in 471 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: the Top forty again. But screw the Top forty and 472 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: let the gatekeeping begin. Have a great day. Your podcast 473 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: is the best out there. I have your book from 474 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: a few years back and hope that you'll put something 475 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: out there again. Three one two. Really appreciate the text 476 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: because it gives me an opportunity to explain this a 477 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: little bit better. I agree with everything you're saying, but 478 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: you're missing my point. My point is exactly exactly this. 479 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: Rock and roll is dead because it is not on 480 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: the top forty. Rock and roll is dead because it 481 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: is not pushing mainstream culture in the way that it 482 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: once did, and I don't think it ever will again. 483 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: And if you listen last week like you did three 484 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: one two, I think, in addition to the music sort 485 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: of becoming relegated to a sort of subgenre of popular 486 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: music and the way that jazz has become, I think 487 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: that's the fate of rock and roll. It'll never dial completely. 488 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm totally aware that there are incredible rock bands out 489 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: there killing it nightly in clubs, even in stadiums, but 490 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: still it doesn't erase the fact, doesn't negate my point 491 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: that rock and roll no longer drives popular culture. It doesn't. 492 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: It just does not, and I don't think it will again. 493 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: And that's a freaking bum out three one two. It 494 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: really bums me out. And like I said, I do 495 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: believe that the trajectory is it will be relegated to 496 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: a subgenre of popular culture in the same way the 497 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: jazz swing, you know, big band music, all genres that 498 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: once dominated the top forty. That's where rock is going. 499 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: And I think what will happen is a lot of 500 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: these stories will be forgotten, a lot of these larger 501 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: than life personalities will fade with time. And part of 502 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: what we're doing here right now is preserving that it's 503 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: at the core of this storytelling. And in a way 504 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: three one two, those bands that you're talking about that 505 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: are out there killing it right now, they're doing the 506 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: same thing. And my hat's off to them all right 507 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: over on x B K Kremal, cremoral, be Cremeral, I 508 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: don't know what they's called at three WK, Kramer hit 509 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: me up, says, listening to the led Zeppelin story this morning, 510 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: and I got to say, I don't think I'll be 511 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: able to hear them quite the same way again without 512 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: feeling a dark cloud of knowing. And some things can't 513 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: be unseen. Like Jimmy Page was thirty years old. Yep, 514 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. The led Zeppelin one is a tough 515 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: one when considering our support of the art versus the 516 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: artists based on Jimmy Page's behavior back in the day. 517 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: Side note, real quick, over on X. Any of you 518 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: over on X who are from New Jersey or DC area, 519 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: and you got eyes on these drones that are going 520 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: on these UAPs, these UFOs get at me at Disgrace 521 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: all right, I want to know what's up. I'm seeing 522 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. It's freaking me out. I'm sure 523 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: you're freaked out to that point. We'll be looking not 524 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: at drones tonight if you're listening on Thursday to this episode, 525 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: because we're going to be looking at the Tom DeLong 526 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: little documentary that we made Disgraceland doc called We Are 527 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: Not Alone. This is going to drop live on Patreon 528 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: at eight pm Eastern Standard Time Thursday, December twelfth, which 529 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: is when this bonus episode that you're listening to right 530 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: now is being released. I will be in Patreon in 531 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: the chat chat and away commenting on this, eating my popcorn. 532 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: Beavis and butt he editing this thing. As I like 533 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: to say, we're gonna be talking to UAPs uphology the 534 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: whole bit. This this documentary is gonna be available only 535 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland Patreon All Access members, but it's going to 536 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: be available to paid members and free members. So go 537 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: to disgracelandpod dot com slash membership and sign up, all right, 538 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: and I hope to see you there, all right, six 539 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight to 540 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: leave me a voicemail, to send me a text at 541 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: Disgrace Slam Pod. You can hit me up on x 542 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: you can hit me up on Instagram, you can hit 543 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: me up on Facebook. I've been way more active on 544 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: Facebook in the last week. You may have noticed, you know. 545 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: It's one of those things. I woke up a couple 546 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: of days ago I looked at Facebook. We had attracted 547 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: like four thousand new followers in a month's time without 548 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: me even posting, just cross posting reels over from Instagram. 549 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: And there's a pretty active community over there. If you 550 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: guys are over there on Facebook, I've been neglecting you. 551 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: I apologize. I think what I'm going to start doing 552 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: on Facebook, because it's a different medium. I think I'm 553 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: going to be releasing some different videos over there that 554 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm not releasing anywhere else longer videos in the reels, 555 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: but not quite as long as what you'd find on YouTube, 556 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, like in the you know, two to three 557 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: minute range something like that. Just trying some different types 558 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: of storytelling with us over there. Uh, there seems to 559 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: be an appetite for it. So if you're if you're 560 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: on Facebook and you're listening to this, and you are 561 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: active on Facebook, give me a follow at Disgrace Lam Pod. 562 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 1: Even if you're already following me, go to the Disgrace 563 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: Lam podcast page and engage, you know, like it, write 564 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: a review, whatever, just you know, talk to me, comment whatever, 565 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: because what's happening. I don't know if you know this, 566 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: but when I post something on Facebook, ninety percent of 567 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: the people who see it are not you guys, are 568 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: not the followers. I don't know why. This is just 569 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: the way that it is. But if you engage with me, 570 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: you will get the content or regularly the algorithm will 571 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: figure it out. It's something that you want, Okay. Anyways, 572 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: Troy Daniel on Facebook writes how to make Gravy by 573 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: Paul Kelly is a song you may not get sent 574 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: Kelly is kind of Australia's Dylan, and around here, the 575 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: twenty first of December is known as Gravy Day. Give 576 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: it a spin, I reckon you'll dig it, Troy. I 577 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: have spun it and someone from Australia turned me on 578 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: to this last year and I love the song. It's 579 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: great and I love it so much. I thought it. 580 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: I thought your message worth reading here because if anyone 581 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: has not heard this, you need to check it out. 582 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: Paul Kelly Gravy by Paul Kelly. Okay, Christmas to go. 583 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: Check that out on Instagram at Disgrace Slam pod Anastasio Staskalopolis. 584 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: My Greek brethren writes, Hey, Jake ad from the four 585 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: to one zero for best Christmas rock and roll song, 586 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, I don't want to fight tonight by the Ramones. 587 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: Such an honest song. So many of us can immediately 588 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: relate to it, Yes, yes we can. There's nothing worse 589 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: than fighting with your loved one on Christmas. Okay, I 590 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: can't say it happens to me. My wife and I 591 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: get a good thing going, but it has happened to 592 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: me in the past, girlfriends, etc. And it's a fucking drag. 593 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: No one wants tension around the holidays. If you, guys, 594 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: you're heading into a tense situation this holiday. You know 595 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: whatever it is, bad family history, You don't want to 596 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: talk about politics, you don't want to talk about Just 597 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: talk about Shadah, just you know, light in the mood. 598 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: Let people know Shada is not actually sha Day's name. 599 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it is her name, but it's not her name. 600 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's a band's name. It's 601 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: kind of her name. You know. You can you pull 602 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: from any number of crazy disgrace Land factoids that I've 603 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: given you to sort of distract from not fighting. Merry Christmas. 604 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: I don't want to fight tonight, all right, guys six 605 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight to 606 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: leave me a voicemail, send me a text at disgracelam pod, Facebook, X, Instagram, 607 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: but this week especially Facebook, get at me. Send me 608 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: your messages, send me your comments, send me your recommendations, 609 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: your reviews, whatever you got, I'm here for it. Speaking 610 00:34:51,160 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: of reviews, I'll be back in the flash, all right, guys. 611 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: As an independent podcast, you know the drill, we live 612 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: and die by the power of audience recommendation. So get 613 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: out there, and if you've left a review for Disgraceland, 614 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: I thank you very much. If you have not, I 615 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: encourage you to because every every week I read a 616 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: couple of reviews right here, and uh, I reward you 617 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 1: reviewers who get in touch with me with some free merch. 618 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a T shirt, though not always. Sometimes it's 619 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: just a pin. Okay, sometimes it's a poster, depends on 620 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: what we have, all right, And if you have written 621 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: to me, and because because I ready review here and 622 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: you have not yet received the merch, I thank you 623 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: for your patience. It's a it's a virtue. It's a 624 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: it's a hard one for me, so I get it. 625 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: But I I I'm telling you the stuff is coming. 626 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: It is the holiday season. Things are a little backed 627 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: up here at Casa Day Disgraceland, uh the Double Levis offices. 628 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: But you will receive your Disgrace Sam merch. Thanks for 629 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: your patience and thanks for the review. We got this 630 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: one here from Carl. On this week Sean McGown episode, 631 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: Carl says this episode is in my top five on 632 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: a wider scale regarding the Disgrace Lam podcast, regardless that 633 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: the subject matter is in my wheelhouse production, content and 634 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: delivery is solid gold in the standard that all other 635 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: podcasts should be measured to. Jake and the wider Double 636 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: Elvis team keep up the world class work. It's fantastic 637 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: and wildly appreciated, and I'm spreading the gospel. According to 638 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 1: Saint Jake, I am no Saint Carl, but I appreciate 639 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: you and I appreciate the review on Spotify. Thank you. 640 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: I know the guys and gals here at Double Elvisdoo 641 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: as well. Andrew is present over on Apple Rights Love 642 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: three ohs. Love this show. I work a lot of 643 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: hours doing my numbing work, not mentioning what I do 644 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: because I don't want anything to happen to me. That 645 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: would be a disgrace. Hmm. I'm intrigued now, Andrew. Andrew 646 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: goes on to say, I just became a member, and 647 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: I wake up excited to go to work because I 648 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: know that I'm going to listen to the shows. So 649 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 1: many interesting facts, stories and people. Jake's storytelling a narration 650 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: is captivating. I love the music and dispersed throughout the 651 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: episodes as well. It's uplifting gets me happily through the 652 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: day and night as I plug along. This has made 653 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: my day to day life so much livelier. Four o's 654 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: and so listen, Andrew. I appreciate this. I really do 655 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: get in touch with gay some merch and Andrew. I 656 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: don't know what you do for a living. I'm gonna imagine, however, 657 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: that you're a CIA analyst and you're plugging away out 658 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: in Langley. Is that where the CIA is Langley, Virginia 659 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: or is that the FBI? I don't know where. I 660 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: guess the CIA, you know what, I bet the CIA. 661 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: They're just in these nondescript, you know, business office buildings 662 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: we see on the side of the highway. I imagine 663 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: you're in one of those, Andrew, just plugging away, you know, 664 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: going through your data, monitoring us, making sure we're not 665 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: speaking truth that you don't want to not Just kidding, Andrew, 666 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I don't know what you do 667 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: for a living, but I'm intrigued, all right. Another way 668 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: to get at me is through email, discretion and pod 669 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. This one comes from Christopher Pogue. 670 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: Subject Pogue's message, Hey Jake, just listen to you Shane 671 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: McGown podcast fucking awesome. You have noticed my name is Pogue. 672 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,240 Speaker 1: So I've been familiar with Pogue's music for a while. 673 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: I do stand up comedy. So I have a bit 674 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: about my name, how no one pronounces it right because 675 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: it has a silent you in it. Only so many 676 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: words have a silent you, so it's vague. Sorry, it's Vago. 677 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: I also get into the band the Pogues Pogue mahone 678 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: and what Pogue means, and how it has a cool background. 679 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: So if anyone wants to make fun of my name, 680 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: they can pogue my ass. So anyway, I also do 681 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: a stand up podcast called Comedy Anarchy on Spotify. I 682 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: was hoping for you to check it out and give 683 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: it a shout out. I just shouted it out there, 684 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: Christopher Pogue. I appreciate your email. Kind of hysterical. All right, guys, 685 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: s grascampod at gmail dot com six one seven nine 686 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: sixty six six three eight at this gracelam pod. Those 687 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: are the ways you get in touch, Those are the 688 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: ways we communicate, These are the ways we keep the 689 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,320 Speaker 1: true spirit of rock and roll alive. All Right, this 690 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: episode is nearing its end, but the after party comes 691 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: for all of you who are our all Access members. 692 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: All Right, If you're not an all Access member, you're 693 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: not only not getting the extra bonus section of this 694 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: after party, you're also not getting ad free listening. You're 695 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: also not getting me in the chat, you know, and 696 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: they're talking, We're talking all kinds of shit in there. 697 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: Get in there, Come on, what are you waiting for? 698 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: At s graslampod dot com slash membership, you can sign 699 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: up and listen. You gotta sign Now's the time, sign up, 700 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: right now today, because tonight is when we're it's the 701 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: only place you're going to see this Tom DeLong documentary 702 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: that we put together. And if you want to get 703 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: in it's happening tonight. So again this Chris pod dot 704 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: com slash membership. Okay, we are back. We spoke about 705 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: jay Z of course in this episode. In our jay 706 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: Z episode is number fifty one from March twenty fourth, 707 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, if you want to check that out in 708 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: the archive. As I mentioned before, we also mentioned led 709 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: Zeppelin in this episode. Led Zeppelin is episode number thirty 710 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: nine from October one, twenty nineteen. We did not mention 711 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: you two, but we did talk a lot about irishman 712 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: Sean McGowan and I'm fully aware with Seane McGowan was 713 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: from London. This family's from Ireland, and he identified as 714 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: an Irishman, which is why I'm saying that. So if 715 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: you want to hear a story on some other Irishmen, 716 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: check out episode one fifty one on You Too. That's 717 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,880 Speaker 1: from November fourteenth, twenty twenty three. Speaking of our archive, 718 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: our friends over at Apple Podcasts, they're featuring a Disgraceland 719 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: collection on their browse page right now. If you scroll 720 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: below the fold over on Apple Podcasts, if you're an 721 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: Apple podcast user, you will see a bunch of our 722 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: episodes and a collection. This collection of episodes has been 723 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: curated by Apple. It's a cool way into the show 724 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: for new listeners and a cool way for you og 725 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: listeners to revisit the archive. All right, go to Apple 726 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: Podcasts and check out their brows page. Thank you guys, 727 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,240 Speaker 1: as always for the calls for the voicemails, for the reviews. 728 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: I get to jump before I do. Let's recap, shall 729 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: we number one? Right now in your feed our episode 730 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: on Shane McGowan to the Pogues number two tonight Thursday, 731 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: December twelfth, Jump in the Patreon with me watch our 732 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: documentary on tom Belong and Ufology. I can't Wait. Number 733 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: three coming tomorrow, a special rewind episode from our archive 734 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: on Mariah Carey. Number four, Elvis Presley and Johnny Ace 735 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: coming up, new episode on Tuesday. I want to know 736 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: from you, guys. I want to hear from you on 737 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: your and roll myths. Get in touch Number four merch winners, 738 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: you can also get in touch as well. You know 739 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,479 Speaker 1: who you are. Number five. Remember, no one cares about 740 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: preserving the spirit of rock and roll more than you do. 741 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: And well that's a disgrace, all right. In honor of 742 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: this week's episode on Seane McGown, this is me reading 743 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: to you the current top one hundred Christmas Singles Chart 744 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: Holiday and Christmas Singles Chart in the UK right now 745 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: per iTunes. I don't know if this is the actual chart, 746 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 1: God damn it. It's close enough, and the number one 747 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: is an incredibly timed single. Here we go, Number one 748 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: The Pokes fairy Tale of New York featuring Kirsty McCall. 749 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: Number two, Merry Christmas Ed Shearing and Elton John Number 750 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: three Under the Tree from that Christmas by Ed Shearing. 751 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: Number four. All I want for Christmas is you? Mariah 752 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: Carey number five one more sleep Leona Lewis number six 753 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 1: Underneath the Trees Kelly Clarks care from that Christmas number seven. 754 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas everyone, Civil version number eight. Care Flise navide 755 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: I was a felician. Merry Christmas number nine snowsh I 756 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 1: see number ten Last Christmas. Quit talking and start mixing