1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Jim Rathman is back. He discussed the first assassination attempt beautifully. 2 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: He is back today to try to clear up and 3 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: explain what has happened a second time to former President Trump. 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: If you haven't heard that first episode, he fills in 5 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: so many gaps and holes. He touches on conspiracies, he 6 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: breaks down facts. Go now Part one and Part two. Unbelievably, 7 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: we've had a second attempt on the life of former 8 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump. Y'all know Jim Rathman, former investigator, former 9 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement officer, Army veteran, and most importantly for our 10 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: conversation tonight, Jim is a former United States Secret Service agent. Jim, 11 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: welcome to Zone seven. 12 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: Well, Cheryl, thank you so much for having me back. 13 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: It's great to be back on Zone seven. I just 14 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 2: wish the circumstances were a little different. 15 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: It's mind boggling. I mean, you and I talked about it. 16 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Copycats are always a concern. You prepare for it, but 17 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: pray it doesn't happen. And here within weeks we've had 18 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: a second attempt. 19 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: It's crazy to me, and unfortunately I don't think this 20 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 2: is the last attempt either. And it's mind blowing how 21 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: things are going right now. But we have to look 22 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: at the state affairs in the country and not to 23 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: get all political, but it be the rhetoric going back 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: and forth on both sides or both parties. I mean, 25 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: it's disturbing. I think that might be the best word 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: for me to be able to use in this, because 27 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. 28 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: It's happening to both parties and it's got to stop. 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: And we got to stand on principles, man, And I 30 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: think we got to tell down the rhetoric and get 31 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: through the principles of what makes us country great and 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: what can help our country be great, no matter what 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: that looks like. But unfortunately now I think we're inciting 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of crazies out there that feel like they're 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: doing some sort of good by going out and creating 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: these assassination attempts. And it's just a very scary world 37 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: to live in right now. 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: And I want to be so clear, this to me 39 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: is murder. It has nothing to do with politics. For me, 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: you are talking about somebody that is plotting, planning, and 41 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: then doing overt actions to murder someone. This particular victim 42 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: happens to be a political figure. But the reality is, Jim, 43 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: if this were somebody that was famous for singing, or 44 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: an actor or an athlete, it would be the same response. 45 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: For me, It is never okay. Murder is never okay. 46 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: Don't care what your sexual orientation is, your religion, your race, 47 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: your political beliefs. That to me is not even secondary. That, 48 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: to me, is not even on the list of reasons 49 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: that it would be okay for you to take the 50 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: life of another person. So this happens to be a 51 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: former president, but Nate, to me, make no mistake, this 52 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: is a murder plot. 53 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: I happen to agree with you fully. I mean, I 54 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: don't think murder is ever accomptable, much like what you 55 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: just said when we talk about public figures, whether that's 56 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 2: political or a singer, actor, actress, any of the sorts. 57 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: Whenever you've heard of these stories, which that has happened 58 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: many times in our past, always restraining orders and various things, 59 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: you'll notice a common pattern, and the common pattern it's 60 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: usually somebody with mental illness. It's usually somebody that's that's 61 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: not thinking clearly and then in their own delusional fantasy 62 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: world that they're living in they think it's okay to 63 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: break into There was an actress a few years ago 64 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: that had somebody actually break into her home. You know, 65 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: there's some very I mean stuff's happened to what Taylor 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: Swift and I think there's other actors, actresses, singers that 67 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: have happened to And now you have the same type 68 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: of thing happening to former President Trump. And much like 69 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: this most recent assassination attempt, which it is, Ryan Ruth 70 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: is as I say, the last name Ruth Ralph. He is, 71 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: in my opinion, mentally ill. You look at what he's 72 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: done in the past. He's been arrested multiple times, weapons charges, 73 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: stolen vehicles. There's even a report on him being arrested 74 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 2: for weapons of mass destruction in two thousand and two 75 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: with an explosive device. You know, clearly he's not in 76 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: the right frame of mind. It's it's clearly a cat 77 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: and mouse game for him. Let me be, let me 78 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: voice my stuff out on social media, and let me 79 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: act in these crazy, delusional ways as if he's unstoppable, untouchable. 80 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: We are incredibly lucky that a very alert Secret Service agent, 81 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: while patrolling the whole of head the golf hole ahead 82 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: of President Trump getting to that location, just so happened 83 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: to notice the end of a weapon, a rifle which 84 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: was an AK forty seven, sticking out through the fence 85 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: and was able to prevent President Trump or former President 86 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: Trump from being assassinated. 87 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: That's right. And you know you mentioned a few actors 88 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: and so forth that have had people break into their homes. Listen, 89 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Madonna had a stalker that was extremely dangerous, in my opinion, 90 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: extremely was able to gain access to her house more 91 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: than once. But Madonna has said and I quote, I 92 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: thought about blowing up the White House end quote. That 93 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: is not okay. And she, of all people should understand 94 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: how dangerous those type statements are because when somebody suffering 95 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: with mental illness, here's that that fuels them by saying, well, 96 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: Madonna agrees with me. And you know, you've got folks 97 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: like Mickey Rourke and Rosie o'donald and saying things that 98 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: to me should warrant the Secret Service knocking on their door. 99 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: I agree completely. I mean, you can't make comments like that, 100 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: no matter how famous you are, you can't. I mean, 101 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: Robert de Niro has this fair share of things to 102 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: say as well. The list goes on and on again. 103 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: It comes back to the rhetoric that's being put out there, 104 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: and you know, it goes both sides. I'm not just 105 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: saying that there's a lot of political rhetoric that goes 106 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: towards former President Trump, although there is, but there's also 107 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: political retic that comes from the other side at the 108 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: Democratic Party, and at some point or another, you have 109 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: to evaluate and make your comments, to speak on principles 110 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: for what somebody stands and believes in and how they're 111 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 2: going to better this country and whatever that looks like. 112 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: But what we're doing right now, calling people threats and 113 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: you know, thrust to democracy threast to society, that is fire. 114 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: And we got to stop putting gasoline on the fire 115 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: and letting it ignite because it's excited all these crazies 116 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: and now want to come forward and try to take 117 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: action on it. Again, Just like you said, with Madonna 118 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: making those kind of words, that absolutely warranted some sort 119 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: of conversation from the United States Secret Service because there's 120 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: somebody out there that's going to listen to every single 121 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: word that she has to say. And now thinking that's 122 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: the justification to go ahead and do this and vice versa. 123 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: It's got to stop. 124 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: And Johnny Depp, I mean, good lord. He went as 125 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: far as to say, you know, how long has it 126 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: been since an actor assassinated a president? It might be time. 127 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: What in the world that, to me should warrant more 128 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: than a knock on his door. 129 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: It's an arrestable offense and these times, until they, you know, 130 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: make an example out of a few, it won't stop. 131 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: But you can't dictate what the law is based on 132 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: who they are. The law is specific and written for 133 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: its intended purpose. You have to enforce it, and that's 134 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: what they're supposed to do. And the moment we start 135 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: operating in the gray as opposed to very black and 136 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: white on what that is, you're going to continue to 137 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: get more and more of it. So hopefully people will 138 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: start toning it down. You know, the elections are coming 139 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: and my fear. My fear is that this isn't the 140 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: last attempt. I fear that there's going to be more. 141 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: I think that it's very well could be encouraged by others, 142 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 2: and that to me is very disgusting. I don't think 143 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: anybody should lose their life for wanting to hold political office. 144 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: I agree. I think between now in November, I don't 145 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 1: think there's any question there will be more threats and attempts. 146 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: The Hollywood community knows the danger of stalkers. When Rebecca 147 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: Schaeffer was murdered, they rallied. They made sure that not 148 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: just California, but every state had stalking laws. But before 149 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: her murder, Georgia didn't even have a stalking law. It 150 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: was because of a young actress, Rebecca Schaeffer in California 151 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: that was murdered that we had that law developed for us. 152 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: Before that, we used to have to tell people, well, 153 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: wait till they do something, then call us. I mean, 154 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: we literally had to wait until somebody tried to kill 155 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: somebody before we could stop them from following them, harassing them, 156 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: and putting them under surveillance. We don't anymore. Both of 157 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: these potential killers stalked Trump. Before both of them stalked him, 158 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: they found out where he was going to be, They 159 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: did some recon of the area, they set up where 160 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: they were going to be, and take that fatal shot. 161 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: The latest one his cell phone hit at the golf 162 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: course twelve hours before Trump got there. That leads me 163 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: to the first real hard hitting question I have for 164 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: you after the first assassination attempt, how in the world 165 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: could any civilian find out where he was going to be? 166 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: Well, again, I don't know what was made public or not, 167 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: or if they're just watching the motor keys or if 168 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: or you know, former President Trump plays golf on a 169 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: particular date at a particular time, So I don't know. 170 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was patterns or what. But 171 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: the hideout on that golf course knowing he's going to 172 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: be there the next day, to me is very suspicious. 173 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: I don't really And not to mention, it's not like 174 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 2: he lives in Florida. It's not like he lives in 175 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: Palm Beach. He lived in North Carolina and prior to 176 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: this attempt was all the way out in Hawaii. So 177 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: how he had the wherewithal to know that I'm going 178 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: to go to the golf course and sit out in 179 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: this sniper's nest for twelve hours knowing he didn't get 180 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: lucky that he's going to be there that day. That's 181 00:10:54,160 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: now two assassination attempts where somebody has completely fooled the 182 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: Secret Service, evaded law enforcement, and went completely under the 183 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: radar on both attempts. But apparently had no other outside help. 184 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: And again I am not a conspiracy theorist, but to me, 185 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: it seems very strange. I mean, I live in Florida, 186 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: I'm down in Palm Beach all the time, and I 187 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: wouldn't know exactly where to go on that golf course 188 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: that would give me an opening and a clear shot. 189 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: So or do you even know that he's even going 190 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 2: to be in town or not be in town. I've 191 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: been down there before and I've seen the Secret Service 192 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: at the hotels or in and around because they're working 193 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: his detail. But to me, I found that to be 194 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: very suspicious. And now he's out there for twelve hours. 195 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: I know they've enhanced former President trump security detail a 196 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: little bit, but there's not nearly enough for the amount 197 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: of threats that are going on, and not to mention 198 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: would take a lot of people to secure that golf course. 199 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 2: But it also tells me that the Secret Service did 200 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: not do their internal and external sweeps prior to him 201 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: playing golf, which I would like an answer. 202 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: For, right because he's sitting there and he couldn't have 203 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: followed the motorcade because he was already in place twelve 204 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: hours before. And to your point when we talked the 205 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: first time. One thing that I found fascinating as a child, 206 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: because we talked about I went to school with Amy Carter, 207 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: is that the Secret Service absolutely say sir, you're not 208 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: going on that course today, or we don't need to 209 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: bring you from this building to this building. We've got 210 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: to take you underground. They can make that decision. So 211 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: to me, after the first attempt, there should never be 212 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: he's going to have a standing tea time. Everything should 213 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: almost be a surprise to him where he's going to be. 214 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: A little history lesson for anyone listening, especially the Secret 215 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: Service history lesson. But if you go back to when 216 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan was president, he was actually at a golf 217 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: course in Joe, Georgia, And this limo actually is in 218 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: this museum up at the Secret Service at the Trading Academy. 219 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. Back in the in the early eighties, 220 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: they used to make the presidentials calendar and schedule public 221 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: so people knew where they were going to be. That 222 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: obviously has since changed, but one of the reasons that 223 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: changed it was Ronald Reagan was actually playing golf in 224 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: Georgia and a because they had the you know, it 225 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: was public that he was going to be out on 226 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 2: the golf course, so the Secret Service was protecting him 227 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: as he's playing golf. In the middle of his round, 228 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: a crazy person and I do mean crazy person because 229 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: he was found to be mentally ill, showed up at 230 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 2: the clubhouse fully armed to take out President Reagan. Secret 231 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: Service immediately jumps in the match and takes the guy 232 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: down well, because there's an immediate threat. And again, just 233 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: because this person came into the clubhouse doesn't mean that 234 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: there's not a second person out there that they're working with, 235 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: or a third person. So they took this exact limo 236 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: that I'm going to send you a photo of after 237 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: this and drove it across the golf course where the 238 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: agent were notified of what was going on. They immediately 239 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: put him inside this limo, laid on top of him. 240 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: They stood on the ramps that are outside and on 241 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: the back of the limo and actually drove straight through 242 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: the fencing and onto the roadway and gone. And that 243 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: happened in Georgia. I want to say it was nineteen 244 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: eighty fourish eighty five ish under starting the date. So 245 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: after that they retired that limo, and that limo sits 246 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: in that little museum, which is which is, which is 247 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: fascinating to see it with your own eyes. And that 248 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: started changing the laws and making things public for the president. 249 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: They started changing how they were doing things because that's 250 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: how the person got to the intel. Well, they no 251 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: longer make it public. But again, how did this guy 252 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: know that Trump was going to play golf the very 253 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: next day and to sit out there in a sniper's 254 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: nest for twelve hours as he did waiting to me, 255 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: I find it kind of hard to believe that he 256 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: just randomly showed up there outside of this public access 257 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: road that should have been closed down to begin with, 258 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: especially after the first threat. And also I now know 259 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: that with knowledge that this isn't new information about this 260 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: public accessed road, there's actually a few vulnerabilities in and 261 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: around that golf course that should have been blocked off, 262 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: you know, access cut to it, or put some sort 263 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: of marked police or somebody to deter anyone from there. 264 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: But you most certainly have to sweep it, and it 265 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: was not swept, which tells me that they're probably too 266 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: shorthanded to be able to do so. But for this 267 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: person to sit there for twelve hours knowing the president's 268 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: going to play golf and not have found him well 269 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: before the president showed up is quite disturbing. Luckily, Luckily, 270 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: the Secret Service, as doing their protection, did do it 271 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: correctly on the physical protection of things by having agents 272 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: one or two holes ahead of where former President Trump 273 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: was on the golf course to be able to sweep 274 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: some of these vulnerabilities, which is how they came across that. 275 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: And had they have not known where these vulnerabilities were, 276 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: had this agent just been like, it's it's just a 277 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: rooutine day, it's hot out here, I'm ready to leave, 278 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: and not had looked where he was supposed to look, 279 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: may not have ever seen that, which would have put 280 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: the shooter within one hundred feet of former President Trump 281 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: and most certainly could have ended very poorly. So again, 282 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of answers that need to 283 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: be questioned as to why they didn't do their sweeps 284 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: prior to I have protected President Barack Obama when he 285 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: has played golf, whether it be in Palm Springs or 286 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: other locations, and we thoroughly sweep that golf course with 287 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: ca Nine dogs beforehand, afterhand, like everything, we do a 288 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: full sweep we know who's coming in, who's going to 289 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: be playing golf that day, who's not going to be 290 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: playing golf that day, whose tea times need to be 291 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: delayed in order to provide maximum protection for the protectee 292 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: or the president. And so I think they're doing the 293 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: best they can shorthanded, but there is clearly not enough 294 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: personnel attached to his detail in order to keep him 295 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: properly protected. 296 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: And I'm going to go back to drones for a minute. 297 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: This potential murderer didn't walk there, he drove there. That 298 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: means there was also a vehicle in close proximity that 299 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: stayed twelve hours. Well they should have seen that too. 300 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: And to tell you a story, there was once I 301 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: was parked near the Atlanta Airport because I wanted to 302 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: get some really good shots of Air Force one coming 303 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: in and then the motorcade and then our officers at 304 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: my department closing down some intersections. I thought that would 305 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: be a great social media post. I had a Secret 306 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Service agent come up to me because I was there 307 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: hours before and say you need to move your vehicle please, 308 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: which I promptly did. Because once he came up to me, 309 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: I realized, Yeah, this is not in a great place 310 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: for them. Keep in mind, it was a marked police 311 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: car and I was in uniform and we were helping 312 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: shut down the intersection. But still they needed me to 313 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: move for the best security possible. But somehow this man 314 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: was able to leave a vehicle. 315 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that vehicle was clearly in 316 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: close proximity. It was a public road. It was actually 317 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 2: him running after the shots were fired to that vehicle 318 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 2: to take off before the lady ended up kind of 319 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: chasing after him, so to speak, and getting the critical 320 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: photos or video that was given to law enforcement, so 321 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: they knew exactly who they were going after, what they 322 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: looked like, what they're wearing, vehicle they're driving. Did a 323 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 2: phenomenal job, put herself in harm's way. I mean, if 324 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: he took over for the Secret Service at that point, 325 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: and what a blessing that was to have had that. 326 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: But again, if they had done the proper sweeps, if 327 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: they had a drone flying in the air at the time, 328 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: especially in the evening hours, they could have had thermal 329 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: imagery on it that would be able to tell that, hey, 330 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: there's somebody hiding out by this fence line. Send somebody 331 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: to go check that out. There's numerous ways to do it. 332 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: But I feel like people are going to bash the 333 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 2: Secret Service, but I want people to understand that for 334 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: they are operating with not nearly enough personnel that they 335 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: need to handle the amount of threats and the amount 336 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 2: of coverage that former President Trump has and he's not 337 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: a sitting president, so he doesn't have access to the 338 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: entire Secret Service as he would if he was sitting president. 339 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: He has a detail, and they've expanded that detail, but 340 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: it's not nearly enough. But for those agents that are 341 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: working that detail in Palm Beach, Florida, I think are 342 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: doing a great job understaffed, and they need to realize 343 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: that the decisions of how much personnel are needed comes 344 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: from Washington, d C. It has nothing to do with 345 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: West Palm Beach, Florida. So I think those agents that 346 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 2: are out there working hours upon hours. I mean I've 347 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: seen I've seen guys in their in their you know, 348 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: the Emergency Response Team uniforms when I've been down there before, 349 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: that have completely sunburned everywhere but where their hat sits 350 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: on their head, and they are working their butts off 351 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: day in and day out. And I think those members 352 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: of the Secret Service are doing a tremendous job. Thank 353 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 2: god for an agent that is paying attention while patrolling 354 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: a couple of holes ahead of former President Trump to 355 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: notice what was going on at that fence line. Those 356 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: members that are actually doing the job every day are 357 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: doing a tremendous job. Those up in Washington, d C. 358 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: It's time to get your butts down there and actually 359 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: do some science avalance yourself. 360 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: Amen. Some site surveys agreed that agent on that golf course, 361 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: that was just almost a miracle that he could have 362 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: seen that barrel and he took action. He fired off 363 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: a shot. He wasn't playing with whoever was in the 364 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: bushes in the fence line, boots on the ground, they're 365 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: handling business. 366 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: Armchair quarterbacks up in DC though or not, they're they're 367 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: taking that political angle and sitting back and trying to 368 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: call the shots. And sometimes you got to get your 369 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: butt up, You gotta fly down there and you gotta 370 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: see what's going on. Again. This kind of goes back 371 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 2: to what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. I was blown away, 372 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: Cheryl that nine days, nine days after the attempt, and 373 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: at that time, the director of the Secret Service hadn't 374 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: even been the Butler Pennsylvania. How in the world is 375 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 2: that possible. She didn't even speak to her agents that 376 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: were on the detail. Well three days later. At what 377 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: point do we sit there and say, Wow, I have 378 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: to be the leader. At this point, I need to 379 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 2: go down there and be the face of the Secret Service, 380 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: talk to these agents, walk what happened in Butler and 381 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: get a true understanding of what's going on, and be 382 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: forcing those to take action when they find criminal wrongdoing 383 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: with anybody had anything to do with it. I think 384 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 2: the same situation needs to happen here. I think Director 385 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: Rowe needs, if he has not already done so, needs 386 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 2: to be down there assessing what is going on in 387 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: Palm Beach and what exactly is needed. And I think 388 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: if anybody denies at this point two attempts, and I 389 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: promise you there's going to be more. I don't want 390 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: it to be, but I promise you there will be more. 391 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: And anyone that denies the additional coverage that is needed 392 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 2: for a former president has to be looked at as 393 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: to why why aren't they providing the assets that are 394 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: necessary to keep somebody safe. I would expect this for 395 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: any former president I would expect to performer President Barack Obama, 396 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: George Bush, Jim all of them, all of them. They 397 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: should be protected at all costs. 398 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: Without question. And that's why I say this is not political. 399 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: These are the leaders of our country and they should 400 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: not be in danger from the outside or in well. 401 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: The thing that I see, Cheryl, is that I believe 402 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: decisions being made not giving assets. And the rhetoric is 403 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: because it's political. Your political beliefs are just that you 404 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 2: should be able to have healthy debates with people. You 405 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: should be able to disagree on topics, and that's okay. 406 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 2: That is your given right in the United States of 407 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: America to not agree on specific topics, that's okay. But 408 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: never is it okay to wish ill will and harm 409 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: or death on a political opponent or even just how 410 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: many times are you hearing where people getting in arguments 411 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: and shooting at each other or getting in physical altercations 412 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: because of what they believe politically, like, that's ridiculous. One 413 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: of my closest friends, I Love Him the Death, lives 414 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: in New York. He knows who I'm talking about when 415 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 2: he listens to this. Love Him the Death. We are 416 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: complete opposites when it coman on every topic in the world, 417 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 2: when it comes to anything political, and that's okay. I 418 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: still love him because, you know what, there's things that 419 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: I can learn on what his view is and things 420 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: that he can learn from mine. You have to be 421 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: okay with understanding that people have their own beliefs. That 422 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: is your constitutional right to believe what you want to believe. 423 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: But let's tone down the rhetoric. I don't think anybody 424 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: is a threat to democracy because they want to do 425 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: what is best in this country, right, doesn't matter what 426 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 2: side it is. Just like President Barack Obama did what 427 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: he thought was best for this country. You know, Joe 428 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: Biden's doing what he think is best for this country. 429 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 2: President Trump did what he thinks is best for this country. 430 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: Tone it down, people, here's the real irony to me. 431 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: The Secret Service your job. If you just break it down, 432 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: if I had to tell somebody in one sentence, the 433 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: Secret Service versus the FBI, you are going to put yourself, 434 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: your body in front of a person to save their life. 435 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: That person you could disagree with politically, ethically, morally, it 436 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: doesn't even matter if it's a head of our country. 437 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: Jim you would do it for the head of state 438 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: of a foreign country. That to me is what is 439 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: so crazy about. The people that are protecting former President Trump, 440 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: former President Obama, the people that are protecting the children 441 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: right now. They don't care what any belief system is, 442 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: what any political belief is, what any religious belief is. 443 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: You will protect them with your own life. 444 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know, when we take our oath of office 445 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: and the Secret Service, we're protecting the office of the 446 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: President of the United States. It doesn't matter what political 447 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: side they're on or anything else. You're protecting the office 448 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: of the President of the United States. And when we 449 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 2: talk about protecting you know, foreign presidents or prime ministers, 450 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: because Secret Service, anytime a number one or a number 451 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: two comes to the United States from another country, we 452 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: provide protection. That's exactly what's going on right now in 453 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: New York City at the UN Summit is the Secret 454 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: Service providing protections every number one and number two from 455 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: all around the world. So you know, we take that 456 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: job very very seriously. And much like when we talked 457 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 2: last time, Cheryl, and where I think the direction in 458 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 2: some of the changes you have to change with the times, 459 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: and I think it's time that the United States Secret 460 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: Service changes with the times, and for those that do 461 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: not know, the Secret Service has an investigative section, right 462 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: money laundering, counterfeit money machines, white collar crimes, and things 463 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: like that, you have protection. I believe the Secret Service 464 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: should just be protection. They shouldn't do any of the 465 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: investigating on the counterfeit. I think you can create another 466 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 2: division that's similar to the Secret Service that with the 467 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: Treasury that can deal with all of that. But I 468 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: think the men and women that you hire in the 469 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: United States Secret Service should be one hundred percent protection. 470 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: That should be the only thing that they do. And 471 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: now you're freeing up hundreds upon hundreds of agents that 472 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: are stuck doing investigations and now they can districtly be 473 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: on the protection And maybe that's a quick fix to 474 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: be able to provide additional resources that are needed on 475 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: these protection details. I get it, you know there is 476 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: somebody needs to investigate the money laundering, the counterfeit money 477 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: machines and things such as that, But I think you 478 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: need to make that into a different a different branch 479 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: and a different division. Those members of the Secret Service 480 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 2: should strictly be one hundred percent protection. 481 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: I think that's a great start. Because if you spend 482 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: four years working counterfeit money and then the very next 483 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: week you're protecting the president, that's a little bit of 484 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: a shift. It should be one in one side only. 485 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: It should be just the protection. I agree with you. 486 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what that's what needs to happen, 487 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: and I hope it's something that they look at here 488 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: in the in the future. And you know, you got 489 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 2: a bunch of dedicated men and women that are that 490 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: are willing to do this twenty four hours a day, 491 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: seven days a week. And you know, we live in 492 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: a different time, you know, between the Internet and access 493 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: that they get of being able to use Google, earth 494 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 2: Maps and other intel gathering tools that are out there. 495 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: You know, we have to be able to counteract that. 496 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: How do you counteract that, Well, you have to beef 497 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: up security. How do you beef up security in the 498 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: quickest way with people that are qualified and trained. Stop 499 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: worrying about the counterfeit money machine and pass that on 500 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: to the Department of Treasury, pass that on to somebody 501 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: else that can that can sit there and you know, 502 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: hire specifically to work to look into that. 503 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: All right, So I know you said or not in 504 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: the conspiracy business. But I have to ask you, with 505 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: this second attempt and the arrest, is Blackrock a connection? 506 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: Again, I don't have definitive info on that. I've heard 507 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: it rumored. I don't know, and if you happen to know, 508 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: please please let me know. But I haven't heard definitively 509 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: that this person has connections with Blackrock or have been 510 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: in a black Rock commercial or anything like that. But 511 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 2: it's hard for me, having done this job, to know 512 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: that a twenty year old was able to outsmart, outwit, 513 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: and completely bypass any and all security features in Butler, 514 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania to get off the attempt that he did without 515 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: some sort of inside help. Again Nope. I the person 516 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: that went on the roof afterwards in a suit and 517 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: asked people to send them photos, who then were actually disappeared, 518 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: and then was contacted who was apparently an ATF agent, 519 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden goes completely dark. I 520 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 2: mean that phone or doesn't even exist anymore. How does 521 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: that even possible? Right? And now you take the second 522 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: attempt with a person who doesn't even live in Palm Beach, Florida. 523 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: You ask the majority of the people if they've never 524 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: been to Palm Beach, Florida. You think they would know 525 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: that there's a public road in an easy access way 526 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 2: on the fifth or sixth hole of Hey, I can 527 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: create a sniper's nest here without some sort of knowledge 528 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 2: and then taking a guess, you know what, I think 529 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to go down the Palm Beach in two 530 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: weeks from now. I think he's going to play golf 531 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: on a Saturday or a Sunday, so I should go 532 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: and hide out at this location on that specific date 533 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: and hope I get lucky. How is that possible that 534 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: this guy was put into that position at that location, 535 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: doesn't even live there, and President Trump is playing golf 536 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: and he's two holes behind or a hole behind before 537 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: encountering that secret service agent. To me, I just don't 538 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 2: see how that is possible without being tipped off from someone. 539 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: That's just my belief. I try not to be a conspiraist. 540 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: To me, I don't see how somebody can get get 541 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: lucky like that, not once, but twice. I'm the same guy. 542 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: I tell you, I think I'm as frustrated with some 543 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: of our famous folks from Hollywood and in the music 544 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: industry as much as anybody. But to me, again, whether 545 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: it's Robert de Niro threatening to punch Trump or Madonna 546 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: wanting to blow up the White House, or Johnny Depp 547 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: talking about it's been a while since an actor assassinated 548 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: the president. You know, these people, they're not brave. They're 549 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 1: not doing anybody any service by saying these things. What 550 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: they're doing is feeding somebody that is mentally not well 551 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: and could potentially do great harm. And you know, listen, 552 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: I'll just say it this way. Johnny Depp let somebody 553 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: defecate in his bed and didn't do anything about it. 554 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to go assassinate anybody, but 555 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: I do think he should keep his mouth shut. Anytime 556 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: you are advocating violence and you have a platform that substantial, 557 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: you are putting people in danger. 558 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: I agree, you know, it's it's it's easy for them 559 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: to make comments like that when they're protected by a 560 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty person you know, security detail around the 561 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: clock along with their you know, their their firearms and 562 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: everything else their arm security. So yeah, they feel pretty 563 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: well protected when they have that all the time. I 564 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: think they get a false sense of reality and a 565 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: false sense of security because if that security group walked 566 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: away from them, they had to go in public all alone, 567 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure they wouldn't be making a comment like that. 568 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: They're going to be looking for that type of security. 569 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 2: It's the same ones that are politicians that have been 570 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: out there saying, you know about you know, taking away 571 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: firearms for some people that are being protected and whatnot. 572 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 2: When they're sitting behind their mansions with everybody loaded up 573 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: in firearms ready all the time to provide them protection. 574 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: It's easy to say that when you currently have it 575 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: in your living in that environment of just a false 576 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: sense of security, you know. So I think a reality 577 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: check needs to come in at some point, and you 578 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 2: know that's on them to figure out their own moral 579 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: compass on how they want to how they want to 580 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 2: approach it. But the info you put out there can 581 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 2: lead to somebody else's harm, and that's just really unfair. 582 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: Amen, Jim, I just appreciate you so much your willingness 583 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: to come and talk to us about a second attempt 584 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: on the life of former President Trump, and again thank 585 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: you for your service to our country. 586 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's my pleasure again, thank you so much for 587 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: having me. Hopefully there'll be no more assassination attempts or 588 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: an assassination that we need to come on Zone seven 589 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: and talk about. But I'm always willing to come on 590 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: and talk to you, guests and followers and provide any 591 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: insight and info that I have on anything ridging from 592 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: the Secret Service to just law enforcement overall. So greatly 593 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 2: appreciate you having me and calling on me has always 594 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 2: it's great to keep up with you. 595 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I 596 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: always do with a quote, There's nothing more powerful than 597 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: a person with something or someone to fight for. Jim Rathman. 598 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven