WEBVTT - More Conversations About Kendrick vs. Drake 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.440 Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.480 Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck That with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:21.360 loaw glasses Malone. Nah. So it's weird listening to it 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:27.280 because right, it's like I've been saying this for years, 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:30.280 you know, and I get a lot of pushback to 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.599 me on I get a ton of pushback on all 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.720 of this because of that, you know what I mean. Like, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:45.879 there's like it ain't on purpose. I just think that 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:52.040 he got into a space to where it's like people 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.160 have been complaining about hip hop being like like an 0:00:55.200 --> 0:01:00.880 advocate of like violence in the community or molding drug 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:05.640 used like you know, rich Homie Kwan passed away from Atlanta, 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.240 and you know when something like that happens, the first 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.280 thing is like, well, let's look at the music, and 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.840 it's like, well, what was happening before the music? You 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.000 feel me like, why were people on drugs in the 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.559 sixties and seventies or in the fifties. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:20.840 Yeah, they never talked about like the music going on 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.759 when Kirk Cobain blew out his own brains or they 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.920 never they never mentioned that it was the music. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.720 Well, I think white people kind of did. But again, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:37.240 it's like it's like really silly. I mean, the artist 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.960 very reflective of said community. But the point I was 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.360 making is in that situation with Dot and Drake, it's like, 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.200 but Dot and Drake is like Draked just pretty much 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.920 you know, said hey, you know he pulled the carpet. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.640 You know, he had been standing on this rug that 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.120 we call cultural cachet this whole time. M hm, and 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.400 he just snatched the rug like man, you're not the 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.400 culture boom. And then you know, so he couldn't really 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.800 there was nothing to stand up on them now, And 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.800 I think that's what we're looking at, Like hip hop 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.560 is still rooted in poor people making things cool. No 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.120 that that don't mean hip hop is only poor people, 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.680 but the culture of it comes from poor people. The 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.640 language comes from you know, the majority of the language 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.320 come from you because it's bad educational programs. The fashion 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.320 is taking ship. That's that you you know, if parents 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.760 can't afford but you know, some dickeys and putting creases 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.720 in them, you know, and rocking it with pride. You know, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.320 it's not the chucks themselves, it's the fat laces and 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.239 the chucks. So you know, that's what that pride and 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:47.920 that type of struggle is really where hip hop is different. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.880 You know, how can these people be so happy under 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.760 these circumstances. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.880 I think, and I think that's that gets lost. That's 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.440 lost now, you know. And that's and that's why people 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.680 start to, oh, well, hip hop isn't just only poor people, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.560 and hip hop isn't only just from the hood, and 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.760 hip hop isn't only this and that, And it's like, actually, 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.000 like at the core essence of it, if that's what 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.399 that's literally what it came from, you know, And we've 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:19.240 talked about that. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:19.520 You know. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.040 I was like your slogan that you're not it's not slogan, 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.960 but you're the way you set it up, you say 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:29.240 it's a street urban street urban culture, but there's more 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:29.560 to it. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.519 Personify through the arts of elements, PERI, through the arts 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.360 and elements. So like the actual act itself is not 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.760 really hip hop, like being you know, street urban culture. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.400 But once you put it into the arts and elements, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.320 that's when you start seeing that the artistic expression that 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:46.520 we reference as hip hop. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.680 And that's the part that gets confused I think for 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.960 people because then they just go, well, if I can 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.240 just do the art part of it, then I'm hip 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.280 hop and that's not necessarily true. Now, I think you 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:58.120 used to use this. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:05.080 Term was shit. What is it was like a what 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:05.640 did you say? 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.080 You used to say it was like when you're not 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.160 from a product of hip hop, a product of hip hop. 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.600 Yeah, it's a ton of people who enjoy the music 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.760 and they are not hip hop. No, just because you know, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.880 my favorite food is Mexican food, Bro, that I don't 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.600 make Mexican. Bro. I don't care how many tacos I get, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.760 how many you know, it don't matter. 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.200 But most people in the Mexican community would give you 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.360 a pass and say that you are an honorary Mexican. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.360 And I think that a lot of people in hip 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.919 hop want that because Drake was low key kind of 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.919 getting that until I feel like it almost seemed like, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:47.919 I mean, I don't know because I don't know him personally, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.599 but it seemed like he started getting under people's skin 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.400 by doing things where he started thinking he was bigger 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.920 and not and doing things that he didn't remember, like, Yo, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.000 low Key, you kind of a guess bro, even though 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:01.640 you're mixed. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.279 Yeah, okay, you have Jewish, you have black. That's cool. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.320 But but that don't make you hip hop like that. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.040 Well, again, I don't think the mixed part of it 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:16.240 is the problem. It's it's it's the culture part. Grow 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.320 How do you grow up culturally? I mean, if you 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:23.200 grew up in Jewish culture, you know, if a rabbi 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.680 started rapping about his Jewish experience, I think we would 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.520 enjoy it and we love to claim it, but it 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.240 probably would be Jewish. 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.680 Well, I think what's his name made a comment about that, 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.960 and I thought that was prettype Rosenberg and he was like, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.520 he's like, I know a guy that grew up in 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:43.000 like cause he's Jewish. So he was basically saying like 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.320 he could identify and he said. Drake got upset at 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.040 that because he was like, like, I understand that he 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:54.760 doesn't like that. I can see who. Yeah, it's like, 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:55.800 nothing's wrong with that. 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.800 Again, but again, if you're trying to present yourself as 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:05.120 the poor people culturally, I mean, and and did he 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.599 ever do that? Yes, that's the problem. That's what started 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.920 to so when he first, like when Cuz first came 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.360 right like you knew he was this nigga Lodian kid. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.360 We all knew he was a pop act. We realized 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.839 he was this unbelievable talent as a writer and in 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.719 real story, like Puna tell you, like punish it like 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.400 Puna tell you, Like, there was times bro where the 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:28.840 dude would be trying to talk to me and I 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.880 wouldn't even talk to him, not on no funny shit, 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.760 but just like nigga, I don't know you cuz I'm 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.600 just that type of nigga. You know, the streets teach 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:38.280 you to be that kind of person, and I don't 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.159 care how successful you get. I mean, that's just maybe 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:42.960 it's not right. That's not to say I wouldn't say hello, 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.880 but like, and I'm on my own mission, feel me, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.560 And I'm not mad at you know how I interact 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.799 with you. I'm really careful how I interact with people. 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.760 I think at one time you were you know, this 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:58.080 is a different time period and you were a different 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:03.200 maybe not as approachable person back then either, so that 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.880 probably played with it, because you know it's funny like 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.680 even though like we talk about, like you tell me, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.320 I'm like, well, I'm more of a square dude grew 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:10.920 up here, like yeah, but you're still from the street 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:12.640 because you grew up from in Inglewood and you know, 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:13.800 you was outside cool. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:15.760 But I remember if you got into a fight. Do 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.480 you remember the first time somebody hit you at school? Yeah, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.320 you wouldn't tell your parents, You remember that. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.240 No, I didn't tell my parents. I was too scared 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:24.480 to tell my dad because. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:26.440 He knew what he would have said. Yeah, what he 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.520 was saying, he said, what did you do? Back? 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.840 That's the street And if I didn't do anything, I 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:31.680 would have got whatked? 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.560 Then that's the streets. That nothing but the streets, see 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.040 you don't. It don't mean like you so dope. It 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.960 means people where you grew up at so dope. It 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:45.040 don't mean that you was out still in cars. People 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.000 where you grew up at stole cars. But the simplest 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.800 rulee you get in hip hop is you know when 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.000 you were a kid, right, Because hip hop is street 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.600 urban culture, right personified through the arts of elements. So 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:01.760 the street urban part is densely popular. That's urban crime 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:06.720 written street communities, right, the culture there, And the number 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.480 one thing that makes our existence really special is that 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.800 type of shit where my mom would fuck me up 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.000 if I let somebody hit me and I don't do 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.600 nothing back to them. She ain't never told me go 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.120 tell the teacher. You need to go tell the principal. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:28.920 That's most Americans. Most Americans tell their kids to go 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.200 tell the teacher. You know what, if somebody does something 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.920 to you, go tell the proper authorities. That's the American way. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.920 But hip hop, right, the culture that we are brought 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.040 up in. The simplest rule you're taught is, hey, if 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.199 a motherfucker put they hands on you, you hit they 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.680 motherfucking ass back. Yeah, that's hip hop. So again, yeah, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.800 I'm not saying when I say you Street or like 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:56.200 DJ headed Street, I'm not saying y'all are criminals. I'm 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.959 saying you grew up in a culture that Disley populated, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.480 crime written communities created, and you had to you adheeded 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.839 to those same standards. They didn't have a choice, you 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:08.440 know what I'm saying. 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.960 But what I was trying to connect it to was 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:15.120 I also remember in moments where when I'd be in 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.160 certain areas and I, you know, I tried to you know, 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.680 you're trying to be cool with people or whatever, chop 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.960 it up, and it might be some dudes there was 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.959 bloods or there was essays like dresses whatever, and if 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.200 they was gang bangers. They kind of would like what 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.560 you just said, how you would like kind of ignored, 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.000 you know, Drake, Like, That's how I would feel sometimes 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:40.920 because I would be like, you know, trying to chop 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.360 it up, and they looking like why are you talking 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:42.520 to me? 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.199 But you know what I mean, No silings jail. I 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.520 got my brother Tony Nardio and here hip hop hip 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:56.200 hop officiate or out of Anglewood. They love with the whole, 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.920 you know, the whole culture except the West Park got 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:05.040 that together. But that was Head too, though Head didn't 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.880 know how to feel about West Coast culture at first. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.839 DJ Head didn't know how to feel about it because 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.520 he felt left out because you hear this a lot 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.280 on the West. Oh Man, you need to be a 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.360 gang banger to make it. I'm like, no, they just 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:21.200 have most of the culture. But we but again, before 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.400 like gangs got officially recognizes wearing dickies, everybody in the 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.600 streets dressed like that. Sure, not just gang members. Everybody 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.160 in the streets wore chucks. Everybody in the streets wore 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.679 fat laces. Maybe they laces wasn't blue or red, some 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.680 of them was. Even if they wasn't part of the gang. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:42.320 They still wore the same thing. So, like you mean 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.920 they wore thick black lacers. Everybody in La wore T shirts. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.760 Caine wasn't from No Game and Men. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.760 Of Society solid T shirts, long sleeve solid fight T shirts. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.920 We all dressed the same until you start to pursue 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:05.400 your own level of fashion. So I remember, you know, 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.680 I had the same conversation with DJ Head, and I'm like, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.120 it's certain things that you gonna know because you've been 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.079 around me enough and they gonna click into what you remember. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.680 So yeah, it's the same as expected of you. Like 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.440 I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't call you a civilian. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.400 I was talking a problem about this, you know, and 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.360 he feels like he's a civilian. I'm like, you not 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.280 fucking drug dealer, bro. You used to sell drugs at 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.319 one time. I mean, like you're a criminal, like it 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.719 got loose that, oh you just got to be from 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.680 a gang. Well no, if you you know, maybe you 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.920 don't go as far to commit crimes, but you will 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.600 break the rules. One of the rules being at a 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.240 regular school. I don't care if it's Morningside or whatever, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.560 the middle school or elementary nighborhood. The rule is if 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.880 somebody hit you, you supposed to tell the teacher. The rule 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.240 is not to fight back. That's not the rule, y'all. 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.400 Both will get suspended. If you fight back, maybe you 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.839 get less days, but your ass getting suspended. Yeah, I mean, 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.360 California don't have no self defense law. You shoot the 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.560 motherfucker running up on you, You finna get this involuntary man slaughter. 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.880 We might plead you out, you could do you know, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.200 nine months and you walk home, but you fighting this 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.640 involuntary manslaughter. The closest you can get to it, bro, 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.040 is you feel me? Is somebody in your house walking 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.040 with a gun aimed at you, and you and your 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.880 house with your legal firearm, and right before they shoot you, 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.960 you shoot them. California a different place, bro. If you 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.360 if somebody breaking your house and fall on a knife, nigga, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.840 you can get sued. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.880 So, but and with all with all that being said, 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.120 we were going back to the original topic of conversation 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:39.960 is that he didn't grow up that way. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.240 No, he grew up a Jewish kid in the Jewish. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.680 Community, right, And I think that's where totally because black, 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.240 he's away black he would be the race that we 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.280 call black for shortsop. Well, that's why I think for 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.719 the most part, I see most people that came for 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.080 him are people that grew up the same way, with 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.120 the exception of just certain cat. It's like, I don't 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.280 know how mal grew up, but mall caps for him 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.480 a lot, you know, But they're not. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.800 See they for some reason, they think their entry into 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.160 hip hop is Drake. He represents their interest. He doesn't. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:19.880 Their interest is represented in somebody like Kanye West. That's 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.200 who their interest is represented. You know, guys like that 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.839 where maybe they didn't quite commit a crime ever, but 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.520 for sure if somebody did something to them, they gonna 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.920 stand up for theirself. Like you can't just go walk 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.280 up and punch Kanye West, right, I mean it's gonna 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.960 that crazy motherfucker probably gonna fight your ass. Yeah. I mean, 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.240 he was raised by his mother and his father. I'm 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.240 sure his mother was not saying go tell the teacher. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.199 I'm sure his mother was like, you better fight that motherfucker. 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:52.600 So what You're sure Drake's mother was like, yo, bro, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.640 you need to go tell the the principal. Yeh. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.840 I feel like Drake probably hasn't had too many fights 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:01.800 in his entire life. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.480 It's been it's been a lot of situations where you know, 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.160 obviously the Tips story where his homeboy pissed on him 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.960 and you know he later on told about it, but 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.520 he didn't do nothing. It's a situation with with Puff, 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.079 you know what I mean. With Puff kind of punched 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.480 on him. He and tuned and some shit, you know 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.000 what I mean. And again it's one of them things 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.200 where we never even when I used to hear stories 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.520 about Cuz, like and he would have these kind of 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.840 confrontations and he didn't respond in the way that I 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.560 would respond. I neverudged him for it because I'm like, yo, 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.239 this dude is you know, he's not of the same elk. 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.120 But how do you separate that then from say, like 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.520 Joe Butden, Joe Budden is from fucking New Jersey. He 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.560 better fight a motherfucker back. Well, he's didn't fight back, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.360 but that's my point. And he know why we said, like, nigga, 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.520 use a mark, you got marked out. I don't give 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:57.560 a fuck if it was ghost Face, Ray Kuan and 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:58.560 any of the motherfuckers. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.040 You got to stand up for yourself. And they expect 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.640 the same, you know what I mean? So we don't. 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:10.400 And I irony, I came to that specific concert that 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.640 was at like a concert in the ie, and I 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.080 had pulled up right after the shit happened. I didn't 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.200 know that was out here. Yeah, that was the part 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.200 that was like an uh, might be Sam Bernardino. I 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.720 think it was Sam Bernardino. I was there though, right 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.440 after that shit happened, and I remember talking to Crooked 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:29.920 and Crooked was telling me he was update me on 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.160 everything that happened with Joe and the Wu Tang niggas, 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.360 and I'm like, did he fighting back? He's like nah, 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.000 I'm like, man, that nigga gotta go fight cuz you 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:39.800 know what I'm saying. And Joe did get mad at 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.880 s throwing out the traider. I don't quite know what happened, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.920 but nigga, you got to stand up for yourself. You 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.120 know from where we come from. 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.120 Okay, But here's my question though, because I've also we've 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.320 also all heard instances where Joe, Joe ain't no pump 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.600 like Joe has that stood up for himself and. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.960 Has every time he's supposed to. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.320 Well, that's what I'm saying, So what do you where 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.800 do you think that this connectors and where does that 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.920 place him in terms of what we're saying with Drake 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.440 with where he's had stuff happen to him, Joe being 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.000 somebody who he knows from the hood, who will stand 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:10.840 up for himself. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.280 But say he I guess he picks and chooses one time, 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:15.760 you know, that time he got pumped. 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.320 I mean, he got bullied, and it happens. It's not 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.480 so posed to, but it happens. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.480 Yeah, but that's why we shame you. Yeah, I've been shamed. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.120 I mean, forty four years old, I've had I can't 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.680 lie to you and say I've never had stuff happen where. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:31.280 I'm not gonna win. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.120 I should have stood up and punched that motherfucker and 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.440 I didn't. I didn't get punked and put their hands 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:36.800 on me. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.000 But said something. 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.080 Yeah, they said some shit that I just I should 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.360 have reacted to and I didn't. So I've had that happen. 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:49.000 No, every Listen, there's a story specifically, right. I remember 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.240 it was a dude. He was older than me. Like 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.160 who I am is built off of all of these issues, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.960 Like I remember used to being scared to stand there 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.640 because people was killer, Like, yeah, I got hurt certain homies. 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:03.960 I got certain homies, bro, that dropped out of school 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.359 before high school started, because why because they were selling 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.119 dope and they mom was going through shit and they 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.080 was going through it, you know what I'm saying. But 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.080 they was already doing drive bys and everything. I was 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.320 in school getting straight as and shit. And by tenth grade, 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.520 so even when I hopped off the porch and you 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.320 gang bang in ninth and tenth grade, these niggas being 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.760 gang bang in eighth grade. They don't go in the house. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:26.879 Their parents ain't on them, you know. I mean, they 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.880 got a real traumatizing experience, and it turned them into 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.680 me in really fast. I remember them dudes used to 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.119 kind of worry me. I'm like, man, these dudes that 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.680 killed me. But shout out to Moon, shout out to Shady, 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.639 shout out to pluck them. Dudes really instilled the level 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.480 of masculinity, even Boo and Maine, like, it's this is 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.560 how I carry myself now. Like now it's like, you know, 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.520 I'll fight, and don't get me wrong, every time I 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.479 stood up in fighting, I didn't win all the fights, 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.879 well a lot of the fights, but I didn't win 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:57.800 them all, you know. 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.920 As your friend, even like of almost fifteen years now, 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.040 like before I knew you. Those are those are some 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:07.040 of the things. That's one. Let me just say, let 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.240 me say one of the main things I've heard about 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:13.000 you that is respected is that classes ain't never turned 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:13.920 down no fade. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.080 Well, of course when I was younger, I turned down 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:17.080 a fucking face. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.720 But I only only personal people must know that because everybody. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.000 Once I once I became a grown up and I'm 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.720 game banging every day. And I really say, is Moon 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.000 Moon really made me this way? I mean, Shady was 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:33.680 big too, because there was a moment Shady had to 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.640 get on me. There was a moment pluck. But once 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.840 I realized I could fight, and it wasn't that big 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.159 of a deal. It was over you. I mean, I 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.120 wasn't never gonna not fight no, Like that didn't make 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.200 no sense. Like you want to fight out, you beat 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.680 your ass or you're gonna win, but we're gonna fight. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.800 But I think that's the simple rule in hip hop. 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.879 I mean, and you're shamed. You're more shamed for getting 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.000 marked out than you are for losing a fight. Yeah, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.840 I mean, you have to stand up for yourself. But 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.920 it's a journey I'm saying, so you can redeem yourself. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:05.360 Though that's the cold part. Like even somebody like Joe 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.800 Buddens you feel me, like yo, yeah, like that time 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.200 he made you know again, I don't I don't remember 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:12.960 the full story, so I don't know if he tried 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.080 to stand up on what quite happened, But I mean, yeah, yeah, 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.760 he got to the situation with Dog Jemmy from WU 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.239 time you feel me and it went that way. But 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.040 you got to stand up for yourself. So even the 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.000 point I'm saying is that was expected of Joe. That 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.880 was expected of Joe, and when he didn't, Nigga was like, man, 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.720 you know that's some mark ass shit and we Homeboy, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.600 we don't expect nothing. If something happened to Drake, Like 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.800 I remember when they first told me what happened with 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.040 Puff and Drake. I was more mad at Diddy, like 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.880 why would you do that to cuz you know, this 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:45.840 is how I'm seeing cuz I'm looking at him like 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.600 why would you do this to this boy? This Nigga's 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.320 not part of the program like that, you know, or 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.080 the story with Tip Homeboy pissing on Cuz, like, well, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:54.800 you're not part of the program, Like why would you 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.520 do that? But then as his raps start to go. 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.240 You're saying, his home boy pisted on him? How's that 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:01.760 his homeboy? 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.840 He pissed tips? Homeboy pisted on oh tips as a 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:09.320 Q tip oh t I oh okay, got you? And 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.720 so you would hear those stories and you'd be like, 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.400 damn Cuz, like you know, I wouldn't even be upset. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.359