Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck That with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses Malone. Nah. So it's weird listening to it
Speaker 1: because right, it's like I've been saying this for years,
Speaker 1: you know, and I get a lot of pushback to
Speaker 1: me on I get a ton of pushback on all
Speaker 1: of this because of that, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: there's like it ain't on purpose. I just think that
Speaker 1: he got into a space to where it's like people
Speaker 1: have been complaining about hip hop being like like an
Speaker 1: advocate of like violence in the community or molding drug
Speaker 1: used like you know, rich Homie Kwan passed away from Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and you know when something like that happens, the first
Speaker 1: thing is like, well, let's look at the music, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, what was happening before the music? You
Speaker 1: feel me like, why were people on drugs in the
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies or in the fifties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they never talked about like the music going on
Speaker 2: when Kirk Cobain blew out his own brains or they
Speaker 2: never they never mentioned that it was the music.
Speaker 1: Well, I think white people kind of did. But again,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like really silly. I mean, the artist
Speaker 1: very reflective of said community. But the point I was
Speaker 1: making is in that situation with Dot and Drake, it's like,
Speaker 1: but Dot and Drake is like Draked just pretty much
Speaker 1: you know, said hey, you know he pulled the carpet.
Speaker 1: You know, he had been standing on this rug that
Speaker 1: we call cultural cachet this whole time. M hm, and
Speaker 1: he just snatched the rug like man, you're not the
Speaker 1: culture boom. And then you know, so he couldn't really
Speaker 1: there was nothing to stand up on them now, And
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're looking at, Like hip hop
Speaker 1: is still rooted in poor people making things cool. No
Speaker 1: that that don't mean hip hop is only poor people,
Speaker 1: but the culture of it comes from poor people. The
Speaker 1: language comes from you know, the majority of the language
Speaker 1: come from you because it's bad educational programs. The fashion
Speaker 1: is taking ship. That's that you you know, if parents
Speaker 1: can't afford but you know, some dickeys and putting creases
Speaker 1: in them, you know, and rocking it with pride. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not the chucks themselves, it's the fat laces and
Speaker 1: the chucks. So you know, that's what that pride and
Speaker 1: that type of struggle is really where hip hop is different.
Speaker 1: You know, how can these people be so happy under
Speaker 1: these circumstances.
Speaker 2: I think, and I think that's that gets lost. That's
Speaker 2: lost now, you know. And that's and that's why people
Speaker 2: start to, oh, well, hip hop isn't just only poor people,
Speaker 2: and hip hop isn't only just from the hood, and
Speaker 2: hip hop isn't only this and that, And it's like, actually,
Speaker 2: like at the core essence of it, if that's what
Speaker 2: that's literally what it came from, you know, And we've
Speaker 2: talked about that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was like your slogan that you're not it's not slogan,
Speaker 2: but you're the way you set it up, you say
Speaker 2: it's a street urban street urban culture, but there's more
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: Personify through the arts of elements, PERI, through the arts
Speaker 1: and elements. So like the actual act itself is not
Speaker 1: really hip hop, like being you know, street urban culture.
Speaker 1: But once you put it into the arts and elements,
Speaker 1: that's when you start seeing that the artistic expression that
Speaker 1: we reference as hip hop.
Speaker 2: And that's the part that gets confused I think for
Speaker 2: people because then they just go, well, if I can
Speaker 2: just do the art part of it, then I'm hip
Speaker 2: hop and that's not necessarily true. Now, I think you
Speaker 2: used to use this.
Speaker 1: Term was shit. What is it was like a what
Speaker 1: did you say?
Speaker 2: You used to say it was like when you're not
Speaker 2: from a product of hip hop, a product of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a ton of people who enjoy the music
Speaker 1: and they are not hip hop. No, just because you know,
Speaker 1: my favorite food is Mexican food, Bro, that I don't
Speaker 1: make Mexican. Bro. I don't care how many tacos I get,
Speaker 1: how many you know, it don't matter.
Speaker 2: But most people in the Mexican community would give you
Speaker 2: a pass and say that you are an honorary Mexican.
Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of people in hip
Speaker 2: hop want that because Drake was low key kind of
Speaker 2: getting that until I feel like it almost seemed like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know because I don't know him personally,
Speaker 2: but it seemed like he started getting under people's skin
Speaker 2: by doing things where he started thinking he was bigger
Speaker 2: and not and doing things that he didn't remember, like, Yo,
Speaker 2: low Key, you kind of a guess bro, even though
Speaker 2: you're mixed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you have Jewish, you have black. That's cool.
Speaker 2: But but that don't make you hip hop like that.
Speaker 1: Well, again, I don't think the mixed part of it
Speaker 1: is the problem. It's it's it's the culture part. Grow
Speaker 1: How do you grow up culturally? I mean, if you
Speaker 1: grew up in Jewish culture, you know, if a rabbi
Speaker 1: started rapping about his Jewish experience, I think we would
Speaker 1: enjoy it and we love to claim it, but it
Speaker 1: probably would be Jewish.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what's his name made a comment about that,
Speaker 2: and I thought that was prettype Rosenberg and he was like,
Speaker 2: he's like, I know a guy that grew up in
Speaker 2: like cause he's Jewish. So he was basically saying like
Speaker 2: he could identify and he said. Drake got upset at
Speaker 2: that because he was like, like, I understand that he
Speaker 2: doesn't like that. I can see who. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 2: nothing's wrong with that.
Speaker 1: Again, but again, if you're trying to present yourself as
Speaker 1: the poor people culturally, I mean, and and did he
Speaker 1: ever do that? Yes, that's the problem. That's what started
Speaker 1: to so when he first, like when Cuz first came
Speaker 1: right like you knew he was this nigga Lodian kid.
Speaker 1: We all knew he was a pop act. We realized
Speaker 1: he was this unbelievable talent as a writer and in
Speaker 1: real story, like Puna tell you, like punish it like
Speaker 1: Puna tell you, Like, there was times bro where the
Speaker 1: dude would be trying to talk to me and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even talk to him, not on no funny shit,
Speaker 1: but just like nigga, I don't know you cuz I'm
Speaker 1: just that type of nigga. You know, the streets teach
Speaker 1: you to be that kind of person, and I don't
Speaker 1: care how successful you get. I mean, that's just maybe
Speaker 1: it's not right. That's not to say I wouldn't say hello,
Speaker 1: but like, and I'm on my own mission, feel me,
Speaker 1: And I'm not mad at you know how I interact
Speaker 1: with you. I'm really careful how I interact with people.
Speaker 2: I think at one time you were you know, this
Speaker 2: is a different time period and you were a different
Speaker 2: maybe not as approachable person back then either, so that
Speaker 2: probably played with it, because you know it's funny like
Speaker 2: even though like we talk about, like you tell me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm more of a square dude grew
Speaker 2: up here, like yeah, but you're still from the street
Speaker 2: because you grew up from in Inglewood and you know,
Speaker 2: you was outside cool.
Speaker 1: But I remember if you got into a fight. Do
Speaker 1: you remember the first time somebody hit you at school? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't tell your parents, You remember that.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't tell my parents. I was too scared
Speaker 2: to tell my dad because.
Speaker 1: He knew what he would have said. Yeah, what he
Speaker 1: was saying, he said, what did you do? Back?
Speaker 2: That's the street And if I didn't do anything, I
Speaker 2: would have got whatked?
Speaker 1: Then that's the streets. That nothing but the streets, see
Speaker 1: you don't. It don't mean like you so dope. It
Speaker 1: means people where you grew up at so dope. It
Speaker 1: don't mean that you was out still in cars. People
Speaker 1: where you grew up at stole cars. But the simplest
Speaker 1: rulee you get in hip hop is you know when
Speaker 1: you were a kid, right, Because hip hop is street
Speaker 1: urban culture, right personified through the arts of elements. So
Speaker 1: the street urban part is densely popular. That's urban crime
Speaker 1: written street communities, right, the culture there, And the number
Speaker 1: one thing that makes our existence really special is that
Speaker 1: type of shit where my mom would fuck me up
Speaker 1: if I let somebody hit me and I don't do
Speaker 1: nothing back to them. She ain't never told me go
Speaker 1: tell the teacher. You need to go tell the principal.
Speaker 1: That's most Americans. Most Americans tell their kids to go
Speaker 1: tell the teacher. You know what, if somebody does something
Speaker 1: to you, go tell the proper authorities. That's the American way.
Speaker 1: But hip hop, right, the culture that we are brought
Speaker 1: up in. The simplest rule you're taught is, hey, if
Speaker 1: a motherfucker put they hands on you, you hit they
Speaker 1: motherfucking ass back. Yeah, that's hip hop. So again, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying when I say you Street or like
Speaker 1: DJ headed Street, I'm not saying y'all are criminals. I'm
Speaker 1: saying you grew up in a culture that Disley populated,
Speaker 1: crime written communities created, and you had to you adheeded
Speaker 1: to those same standards. They didn't have a choice, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But what I was trying to connect it to was
Speaker 2: I also remember in moments where when I'd be in
Speaker 2: certain areas and I, you know, I tried to you know,
Speaker 2: you're trying to be cool with people or whatever, chop
Speaker 2: it up, and it might be some dudes there was
Speaker 2: bloods or there was essays like dresses whatever, and if
Speaker 2: they was gang bangers. They kind of would like what
Speaker 2: you just said, how you would like kind of ignored,
Speaker 2: you know, Drake, Like, That's how I would feel sometimes
Speaker 2: because I would be like, you know, trying to chop
Speaker 2: it up, and they looking like why are you talking
Speaker 2: to me?
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, No silings jail. I
Speaker 1: got my brother Tony Nardio and here hip hop hip
Speaker 1: hop officiate or out of Anglewood. They love with the whole,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole culture except the West Park got
Speaker 1: that together. But that was Head too, though Head didn't
Speaker 1: know how to feel about West Coast culture at first.
Speaker 1: DJ Head didn't know how to feel about it because
Speaker 1: he felt left out because you hear this a lot
Speaker 1: on the West. Oh Man, you need to be a
Speaker 1: gang banger to make it. I'm like, no, they just
Speaker 1: have most of the culture. But we but again, before
Speaker 1: like gangs got officially recognizes wearing dickies, everybody in the
Speaker 1: streets dressed like that. Sure, not just gang members. Everybody
Speaker 1: in the streets wore chucks. Everybody in the streets wore
Speaker 1: fat laces. Maybe they laces wasn't blue or red, some
Speaker 1: of them was. Even if they wasn't part of the gang.
Speaker 1: They still wore the same thing. So, like you mean
Speaker 1: they wore thick black lacers. Everybody in La wore T shirts.
Speaker 1: Caine wasn't from No Game and Men.
Speaker 2: Of Society solid T shirts, long sleeve solid fight T shirts.
Speaker 1: We all dressed the same until you start to pursue
Speaker 1: your own level of fashion. So I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: I had the same conversation with DJ Head, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's certain things that you gonna know because you've been
Speaker 1: around me enough and they gonna click into what you remember.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's the same as expected of you. Like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't call you a civilian.
Speaker 1: I was talking a problem about this, you know, and
Speaker 1: he feels like he's a civilian. I'm like, you not
Speaker 1: fucking drug dealer, bro. You used to sell drugs at
Speaker 1: one time. I mean, like you're a criminal, like it
Speaker 1: got loose that, oh you just got to be from
Speaker 1: a gang. Well no, if you you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: don't go as far to commit crimes, but you will
Speaker 1: break the rules. One of the rules being at a
Speaker 1: regular school. I don't care if it's Morningside or whatever,
Speaker 1: the middle school or elementary nighborhood. The rule is if
Speaker 1: somebody hit you, you supposed to tell the teacher. The rule
Speaker 1: is not to fight back. That's not the rule, y'all.
Speaker 1: Both will get suspended. If you fight back, maybe you
Speaker 1: get less days, but your ass getting suspended. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: California don't have no self defense law. You shoot the
Speaker 1: motherfucker running up on you, You finna get this involuntary man slaughter.
Speaker 1: We might plead you out, you could do you know,
Speaker 1: nine months and you walk home, but you fighting this
Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter. The closest you can get to it, bro,
Speaker 1: is you feel me? Is somebody in your house walking
Speaker 1: with a gun aimed at you, and you and your
Speaker 1: house with your legal firearm, and right before they shoot you,
Speaker 1: you shoot them. California a different place, bro. If you
Speaker 1: if somebody breaking your house and fall on a knife, nigga,
Speaker 1: you can get sued. That's crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So, but and with all with all that being said,
Speaker 2: we were going back to the original topic of conversation
Speaker 2: is that he didn't grow up that way.
Speaker 1: No, he grew up a Jewish kid in the Jewish.
Speaker 2: Community, right, And I think that's where totally because black,
Speaker 2: he's away black he would be the race that we
Speaker 2: call black for shortsop. Well, that's why I think for
Speaker 2: the most part, I see most people that came for
Speaker 2: him are people that grew up the same way, with
Speaker 2: the exception of just certain cat. It's like, I don't
Speaker 2: know how mal grew up, but mall caps for him
Speaker 2: a lot, you know, But they're not.
Speaker 1: See they for some reason, they think their entry into
Speaker 1: hip hop is Drake. He represents their interest. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: Their interest is represented in somebody like Kanye West. That's
Speaker 1: who their interest is represented. You know, guys like that
Speaker 1: where maybe they didn't quite commit a crime ever, but
Speaker 1: for sure if somebody did something to them, they gonna
Speaker 1: stand up for theirself. Like you can't just go walk
Speaker 1: up and punch Kanye West, right, I mean it's gonna
Speaker 1: that crazy motherfucker probably gonna fight your ass. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was raised by his mother and his father. I'm
Speaker 1: sure his mother was not saying go tell the teacher.
Speaker 1: I'm sure his mother was like, you better fight that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So what You're sure Drake's mother was like, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: you need to go tell the the principal. Yeh.
Speaker 2: I feel like Drake probably hasn't had too many fights
Speaker 2: in his entire life.
Speaker 1: It's been it's been a lot of situations where you know,
Speaker 1: obviously the Tips story where his homeboy pissed on him
Speaker 1: and you know he later on told about it, but
Speaker 1: he didn't do nothing. It's a situation with with Puff,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. With Puff kind of punched
Speaker 1: on him. He and tuned and some shit, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And again it's one of them things
Speaker 1: where we never even when I used to hear stories
Speaker 1: about Cuz, like and he would have these kind of
Speaker 1: confrontations and he didn't respond in the way that I
Speaker 1: would respond. I neverudged him for it because I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: this dude is you know, he's not of the same elk.
Speaker 2: But how do you separate that then from say, like
Speaker 2: Joe Butden, Joe Budden is from fucking New Jersey. He
Speaker 2: better fight a motherfucker back. Well, he's didn't fight back,
Speaker 2: but that's my point. And he know why we said, like, nigga,
Speaker 2: use a mark, you got marked out. I don't give
Speaker 2: a fuck if it was ghost Face, Ray Kuan and
Speaker 2: any of the motherfuckers.
Speaker 1: You got to stand up for yourself. And they expect
Speaker 1: the same, you know what I mean? So we don't.
Speaker 1: And I irony, I came to that specific concert that
Speaker 1: was at like a concert in the ie, and I
Speaker 1: had pulled up right after the shit happened. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that was out here. Yeah, that was the part
Speaker 1: that was like an uh, might be Sam Bernardino. I
Speaker 1: think it was Sam Bernardino. I was there though, right
Speaker 1: after that shit happened, and I remember talking to Crooked
Speaker 1: and Crooked was telling me he was update me on
Speaker 1: everything that happened with Joe and the Wu Tang niggas,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, did he fighting back? He's like nah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that nigga gotta go fight cuz you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And Joe did get mad at
Speaker 1: s throwing out the traider. I don't quite know what happened,
Speaker 1: but nigga, you got to stand up for yourself. You
Speaker 1: know from where we come from.
Speaker 2: Okay, But here's my question though, because I've also we've
Speaker 2: also all heard instances where Joe, Joe ain't no pump
Speaker 2: like Joe has that stood up for himself and.
Speaker 1: Has every time he's supposed to.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying, So what do you where
Speaker 2: do you think that this connectors and where does that
Speaker 2: place him in terms of what we're saying with Drake
Speaker 2: with where he's had stuff happen to him, Joe being
Speaker 2: somebody who he knows from the hood, who will stand
Speaker 2: up for himself.
Speaker 1: But say he I guess he picks and chooses one time,
Speaker 1: you know, that time he got pumped.
Speaker 2: I mean, he got bullied, and it happens. It's not
Speaker 2: so posed to, but it happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's why we shame you. Yeah, I've been shamed.
Speaker 2: I mean, forty four years old, I've had I can't
Speaker 2: lie to you and say I've never had stuff happen where.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna win.
Speaker 2: I should have stood up and punched that motherfucker and
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't get punked and put their hands
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 1: But said something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said some shit that I just I should
Speaker 2: have reacted to and I didn't. So I've had that happen.
Speaker 1: No, every Listen, there's a story specifically, right. I remember
Speaker 1: it was a dude. He was older than me. Like
Speaker 1: who I am is built off of all of these issues,
Speaker 1: Like I remember used to being scared to stand there
Speaker 1: because people was killer, Like, yeah, I got hurt certain homies.
Speaker 1: I got certain homies, bro, that dropped out of school
Speaker 1: before high school started, because why because they were selling
Speaker 1: dope and they mom was going through shit and they
Speaker 1: was going through it, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: they was already doing drive bys and everything. I was
Speaker 1: in school getting straight as and shit. And by tenth grade,
Speaker 1: so even when I hopped off the porch and you
Speaker 1: gang bang in ninth and tenth grade, these niggas being
Speaker 1: gang bang in eighth grade. They don't go in the house.
Speaker 1: Their parents ain't on them, you know. I mean, they
Speaker 1: got a real traumatizing experience, and it turned them into
Speaker 1: me in really fast. I remember them dudes used to
Speaker 1: kind of worry me. I'm like, man, these dudes that
Speaker 1: killed me. But shout out to Moon, shout out to Shady,
Speaker 1: shout out to pluck them. Dudes really instilled the level
Speaker 1: of masculinity, even Boo and Maine, like, it's this is
Speaker 1: how I carry myself now. Like now it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll fight, and don't get me wrong, every time I
Speaker 1: stood up in fighting, I didn't win all the fights,
Speaker 1: well a lot of the fights, but I didn't win
Speaker 1: them all, you know.
Speaker 2: As your friend, even like of almost fifteen years now,
Speaker 2: like before I knew you. Those are those are some
Speaker 2: of the things. That's one. Let me just say, let
Speaker 2: me say one of the main things I've heard about
Speaker 2: you that is respected is that classes ain't never turned
Speaker 2: down no fade.
Speaker 1: Well, of course when I was younger, I turned down
Speaker 1: a fucking face.
Speaker 2: But I only only personal people must know that because everybody.
Speaker 1: Once I once I became a grown up and I'm
Speaker 1: game banging every day. And I really say, is Moon
Speaker 1: Moon really made me this way? I mean, Shady was
Speaker 1: big too, because there was a moment Shady had to
Speaker 1: get on me. There was a moment pluck. But once
Speaker 1: I realized I could fight, and it wasn't that big
Speaker 1: of a deal. It was over you. I mean, I
Speaker 1: wasn't never gonna not fight no, Like that didn't make
Speaker 1: no sense. Like you want to fight out, you beat
Speaker 1: your ass or you're gonna win, but we're gonna fight.
Speaker 1: But I think that's the simple rule in hip hop.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you're shamed. You're more shamed for getting
Speaker 1: marked out than you are for losing a fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to stand up for yourself. But
Speaker 1: it's a journey I'm saying, so you can redeem yourself.
Speaker 1: Though that's the cold part. Like even somebody like Joe
Speaker 1: Buddens you feel me, like yo, yeah, like that time
Speaker 1: he made you know again, I don't I don't remember
Speaker 1: the full story, so I don't know if he tried
Speaker 1: to stand up on what quite happened, But I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he got to the situation with Dog Jemmy from WU
Speaker 1: time you feel me and it went that way. But
Speaker 1: you got to stand up for yourself. So even the
Speaker 1: point I'm saying is that was expected of Joe. That
Speaker 1: was expected of Joe, and when he didn't, Nigga was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know that's some mark ass shit and we Homeboy,
Speaker 1: we don't expect nothing. If something happened to Drake, Like
Speaker 1: I remember when they first told me what happened with
Speaker 1: Puff and Drake. I was more mad at Diddy, like
Speaker 1: why would you do that to cuz you know, this
Speaker 1: is how I'm seeing cuz I'm looking at him like
Speaker 1: why would you do this to this boy? This Nigga's
Speaker 1: not part of the program like that, you know, or
Speaker 1: the story with Tip Homeboy pissing on Cuz, like, well,
Speaker 1: you're not part of the program, Like why would you
Speaker 1: do that? But then as his raps start to go.
Speaker 2: You're saying, his home boy pisted on him? How's that
Speaker 2: his homeboy?
Speaker 1: He pissed tips? Homeboy pisted on oh tips as a
Speaker 1: Q tip oh t I oh okay, got you? And
Speaker 1: so you would hear those stories and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: damn Cuz, like you know, I wouldn't even be upset.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even call Drake or Mark because Drake is
Speaker 1: not upset. Elk. Drake is a fucking man, a Jewish
Speaker 1: Man from Canada. I mean culturally raised Jewish. He's a
Speaker 1: black man racially, but he's a he's a culturally raised
Speaker 1: Jewish Man, right, so they don't raise up. If you
Speaker 1: punk a Jewish Man outside of my studio, I'd be
Speaker 1: mad at you. Why would you do that to that man?
Speaker 1: If a Jewish man walked down to seven and one
Speaker 1: of the hummies just got on Cuz and start trying
Speaker 1: to bully because I fight my hommy, like what I've
Speaker 1: seen it, you know what I mean? Don't do this
Speaker 1: man like this? You know what I mean? Like this
Speaker 1: is not that kind of person to punk.
Speaker 2: I've seen in firsthand when you've gotten upset with close
Speaker 2: personal friends that they were trying to do.
Speaker 1: That not cool for other people.
Speaker 2: That's only but you know, that was a thing back
Speaker 2: in the day too. When you're younger, though too is
Speaker 2: most most dudes that gang bang or are trying to
Speaker 2: be gang bangers in high school and shit, majority of
Speaker 2: the time, them dudes is always pressing people. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying everybody because maybe you know, you know, but when
Speaker 2: I remember growing up, I used to see like homeboys
Speaker 2: that I had from hoods. I used to tell him, like,
Speaker 2: why you be picking on dudes, It's not gonna do nothing,
Speaker 2: Like he's not gonna fight you, you know that. And they'd
Speaker 2: be like, oh, because he's a punk, and I'm like yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, I used to be like in my head,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, Okay, I guess, but it's my homeboy,
Speaker 2: so I'm.
Speaker 1: Not sure trying to judge them. Yeah, I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to judge him.
Speaker 2: But then I would be like, you know, but then
Speaker 2: sometimes I would see them, you know, certain ones would
Speaker 2: you know, come into confrontation with people that were from
Speaker 2: hoods and they'd get busy, and then there'd be other
Speaker 2: ones and they they'd get marked out by other dudes
Speaker 2: from hoods. It's like, okay, well, you're pick on somebody
Speaker 2: who's not from a gang. But when it comes to
Speaker 2: people who you know can rival you or possibly beat you,
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden you're scared or you now
Speaker 2: now you want to pick and choose your battle.
Speaker 1: That shit don't make no sense to me. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: but gang Okay, So the thing about gangs is remember
Speaker 1: you inherit the power of an army. Mm hm. You know,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people do look to join part
Speaker 1: of Most people join organizations because they want to blow
Speaker 1: to something. They want something bigger than them for sure, Right,
Speaker 1: so they fine whichever gangs are specific because you inherit
Speaker 1: the power of a military to a degree. Right. So
Speaker 1: I've always thought, you know, especially now more than ever,
Speaker 1: that you know, like we not more like homies, is
Speaker 1: not more responsible with who they grant this power to.
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it's handled irresponsibly. I
Speaker 1: will agree most gang members, you know, not all because
Speaker 1: certain homies they not fucking around. I'm one of those homies,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But some and some of
Speaker 1: my homies is them type of homies I mean where
Speaker 1: they gonna raise your as you gonna be a man
Speaker 1: when you leave this motherfucker. I mean, but all the
Speaker 1: niggas that could, you know, initiate you into a situation,
Speaker 1: not like that, you know, they they really to me
Speaker 1: like they're more lonely and they're looking for the numbers people, numbers,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean a lot of people. But like
Speaker 1: I always instilled in all of my young hommies, like
Speaker 1: whether it's Little Washboy or J Baby J or certain hommies,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, Bro, like you gotta
Speaker 1: be more responsible with who you allow to represent you.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, and maybe that's fucked up because I
Speaker 1: think I take gang banging a lot more serious. I
Speaker 1: take the responsibility of representing said culture differently. So not
Speaker 1: only like you know, like I said, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I didn't have you know, as long as I don't
Speaker 1: let somebody go too far hours enough, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Now, I'm really careful with letting people get
Speaker 1: anything out of order. I mean, because I've represented the hommies,
Speaker 1: I've represented the West, I've represented this culture. So when
Speaker 1: I go to out of ten and people popping it.
Speaker 1: Bro First off, we're gonna have a bad problem. It's
Speaker 1: gonna go all the way there because I don't just
Speaker 1: represent myself. So things that in my mind I might
Speaker 1: be okay with, like oh man, what that don't mean much?
Speaker 1: You might think you can say that to somebody else
Speaker 1: if I let you get that off. So you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm really careful how I talk to
Speaker 1: people home. Really get into the disrespect of it, because
Speaker 1: at that point, if if I call you a bitch,
Speaker 1: I'm a fire your ship up. Sure, That's why I'm
Speaker 1: at with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of guys that I know
Speaker 2: they have that had that same mentality, Like Nipsey kind
Speaker 2: of had that same mentality as you Like, he didn't
Speaker 2: look like he tolerated just some of his homide punking
Speaker 2: some regular you know, Asian kid on the corner.
Speaker 1: I clash I classed with a few of my homies. Again, man, like,
Speaker 1: my story in the hood is a lot different. You
Speaker 1: know my story. I wasn't the baddest nigga. I was
Speaker 1: the farthest thing from it. It didn't hit me tell
Speaker 1: as I Sai started to you know, again, my greatest
Speaker 1: fear initially was like, man, these dudes would kill me.
Speaker 1: Then I realized like, if I had to, I would
Speaker 1: have to kill somebody, and that's okay. That's the hard
Speaker 1: part to swallow past that once you realize. Real story, bro,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was gonna be a good game
Speaker 1: bager until I went to jail. When I went to
Speaker 1: jail and I was fighting, and it wasn't nothing. I
Speaker 1: came home almost a minute to a degree, right well,
Speaker 1: I was like, shit, nigga, I'll fight the hut. I
Speaker 1: start fighting homies, these niggas, them niggas, any niggas, whatever
Speaker 1: niggas want to do, because going to jail didn't scare
Speaker 1: me anymore. That was to me outside of that. Then,
Speaker 1: as I got older, dying even seemed less. You know,
Speaker 1: when I got into twenty twenty, dying didn't even have
Speaker 1: the same fear, Like preserving life wasn't the most important thing.
Speaker 1: How people treated me meant a lot. How I lived
Speaker 1: my life became more important than living life, Like how
Speaker 1: people treated me, did you talk to me, how'd you
Speaker 1: make me feel? Like? All of that shit started to matter,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't really see value in it.
Speaker 1: Because to me they cowards. It's just like I want
Speaker 1: to hold on to life at at all costs. I mean,
Speaker 1: but what good is if you live in life on
Speaker 1: your knees? I mean, like it just depends on you, know,
Speaker 1: how you see it.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that culturally though? Like, so
Speaker 2: I feel like black gangs deal with that a lot
Speaker 2: more internally, like where individuals have that mentality. So like
Speaker 2: you Nipsy Mugs, like Mugs is another person that's very respectful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying everybody, I'm just saying, like Mexican
Speaker 2: gangs are known right in theory too, that everything is
Speaker 2: about respect. First, would you say that black gangs structure
Speaker 2: themselves the same way or individuals of black gangs structure
Speaker 2: themselves that way? Because you're telling me, for you everything's
Speaker 2: about respect, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: Sure, But no, I don't think that's the core value
Speaker 1: of one hundred and seventeen street crips. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's the core value of it though. But why do
Speaker 1: you think that's different culturally?
Speaker 2: Is what I'm saying though, Like, like, do you think
Speaker 2: there's Asian gangs that run on the same values as
Speaker 2: the Mexican gang that respect is everything first, you know.
Speaker 1: What, I think that's more. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I could say, like White Fence or Mautavia,
Speaker 1: like do they know every member? Do they? Actually, it's
Speaker 1: probably not true. Reality is they probably do have some
Speaker 1: members that are from out of Via or White Fence
Speaker 1: that they didn't scout, that they didn't raise. I mean
Speaker 1: we in gang Turns, we like to call them immigrants,
Speaker 1: people who didn't grow up and said community. But they
Speaker 1: come moving and now they are part of the community.
Speaker 1: So I don't think think they vetted everybody. I think
Speaker 1: the people who are vetted from Seventh Street, like if
Speaker 1: your home, like like I grew up on the seven
Speaker 1: like since my family moved there when I was five,
Speaker 1: Dad moved there. So it's like I grew up knowing
Speaker 1: who Pluck was. I grew up knowing who Moon was.
Speaker 1: I knew, grew up knowing who Shady was. I grew
Speaker 1: up knowing who what he g was. No, I grew
Speaker 1: up knowing who all of my older homies I seen him,
Speaker 1: even if I didn't hang. Because I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: I knew who they were, even the dudes that's my
Speaker 1: age that was already gang banging. I knew them since
Speaker 1: we were little kids, so so Pluck kind of taking
Speaker 1: me on as a project to some degree, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, was more like he even he knew
Speaker 1: my mom, you know, Olivia, like he him and Olivia talk.
Speaker 1: He knew my dad, he knew my older brothers. So
Speaker 1: it's a huge respect him. Yeah, yeah, like an uncle,
Speaker 1: like a you know, I mean, really putting a pencil
Speaker 1: up your back, stand up culse, like, don't let these
Speaker 1: people in this world mistreat you. I mean, And those
Speaker 1: lessons are, you know, invaluable. So I think culturally, if
Speaker 1: you grew up within the community, you grew up with
Speaker 1: respect for these people. But I watched Pluck shoot it
Speaker 1: out with the PJS when I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: middle of the street, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: my respect for him not is oh he's some kind
Speaker 1: of killer or he's some kind of murderer, but really
Speaker 1: that this nigga is a man and he gonna stand
Speaker 1: up for him and his homeboys and his friends and
Speaker 1: his family. That Nigga was always a man. So even
Speaker 1: as like to a degree, like I became a project
Speaker 1: of his or of man or bull or tone. Certain
Speaker 1: people to me that I was extra close with, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like it's a different bond pluck
Speaker 1: didn't you know even when I woul hustle for him,
Speaker 1: like he would take me to buy clothes, Like he
Speaker 1: might have didn't pay me the most money, but he
Speaker 1: would take me to buy clothes, like he showed me
Speaker 1: how to be a man, even in the jungle, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And again my intellect is, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to fight, like I had to show hands.
Speaker 1: Everybody had to look and be like, Okay, if I
Speaker 1: fuck with glasses, it's gonna be a real fight, because
Speaker 1: this nigga can fight for real. So I mean it
Speaker 1: was I had to fight to have an opinion. See
Speaker 1: social media grant everybody in opinion without having a stand
Speaker 1: up for their opinion. Hip hop can do that sometimes too,
Speaker 1: but it don't you know hip hop. You get on
Speaker 1: that mic, you sation shit, you talk about somebody dead, family,
Speaker 1: you know they call it they call it a disrespecting
Speaker 1: the dead. No, you antagonizing somebody's living. I mean somebody
Speaker 1: who loved this nigga that's alive, and they gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna make you answer for it. I mean, so I
Speaker 1: think social media allow people to do that. But hip
Speaker 1: hop is still gonna make you be accountable for being
Speaker 1: a man. And all gang baging is you know, you know,
Speaker 1: even hip hop, you know, still all street, urban culture.
Speaker 1: It don't matter where you're at, it's all about masculinity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean being accountable. You know. The whole thing with snitching,
Speaker 1: like we always talk about on this podcast, is even
Speaker 1: like with snitching, it's like snitching, ain't somebody that see
Speaker 1: a crime and tell the police. Like I get that,
Speaker 1: that's the gest of what people think. But snitching is
Speaker 1: like you're a criminal. You telling on somebody because you
Speaker 1: don't want to be held accountable for your crime. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. If you're a criminal, you ain't
Speaker 1: supposed to say nothing, nigga because your ass is a criminal.
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: So I would say that k Dot is a very
Speaker 2: good representation of someone that grew up within that lifestyle,
Speaker 2: and that's why he was able to expose that in
Speaker 2: the battle against.
Speaker 1: Like you got to realize, like, if you really grew
Speaker 1: up like us, you from the gang. Even if you
Speaker 1: don't get put on because all your friends is, you know,
Speaker 1: and k DoD is. Now, I don't know where do
Speaker 1: people get. I think people hear that title good Kid,
Speaker 1: Mad City, and they're not listening to the ship he
Speaker 1: was doing right, you know what I mean. They don't
Speaker 1: listen to the acts that he was partaking in in
Speaker 1: this conversation of that album. So people automatically think like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, like a good guy in content. No,
Speaker 1: that Nigga died is some shit. That is a really
Speaker 1: complex person ever since I known him, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I didn't have to stop not fighting
Speaker 1: multiple tar Sini fight and I did to stop him
Speaker 1: from fighting. He looks like a strong individual. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't have to grab Dot on my shoulder, real story, bro,
Speaker 1: I had to drive Kendrick on my shoulder. I had
Speaker 1: to drive so Ali mixed by Ali because it is
Speaker 1: my height. He's six three, two hundred and forty young nigga.
Speaker 1: He's like a bull. And and and we was on
Speaker 1: a tour with Tech nine. Bro, We're on a tourward
Speaker 1: Tech nine. Real story, right, the sound guy he works
Speaker 1: the stage really dope, brother, I mean a white man,
Speaker 1: he was kind of you know, everybody would be drinking
Speaker 1: and turned up too much, you know, and mind you,
Speaker 1: I don't drink. So it's like all this shit going on, right,
Speaker 1: So they arguing about some stupid the dude get mad
Speaker 1: and hit Ali. This man is five ft six, a
Speaker 1: buck forty. Who hit Ali? The sound the sound guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he hits mixed by Ali. He hit Ali, right,
Speaker 1: but he Fi. Now, I'm not saying Ali shit, mop
Speaker 1: the floor with Cus because if you hit me, nigga,
Speaker 1: you've grown up to fight. But I'm thinking about us
Speaker 1: staying on this tour. I'm thinking about top is my
Speaker 1: main Like I love top you, I mean top Dog
Speaker 1: TV shout out the dude, but like I love Cuss,
Speaker 1: So like I'm trying to hold the like nigga, I
Speaker 1: don't want these niggas to get kicked off the tour.
Speaker 1: So they're arguing, right, this is a real story. They're arguing,
Speaker 1: so cuz hits Ali. Ali about to eat this motherfucker
Speaker 1: alive because Ali is a big, old, young motherfucker. I'm like, I, Lli,
Speaker 1: don't kill this nigga. Bro y'all need to stay on
Speaker 1: this tour. And this is important. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is there. You know we shoot the Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: video on this tour, and the nigga say something that
Speaker 1: Dot and DoD is trying to kill him. So I'm
Speaker 1: pushing Ali back. It's one arm. I grabbed Ot. I
Speaker 1: got Dot on my shoulders. I got Kendrick on my
Speaker 1: shoulders holding him walking them back, like hey, Cus Rock
Speaker 1: helped me. Jay Rock helped me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: These niggas tripping y'all about to eat this little white man.
Speaker 1: You feel me? Like, yes, I could let them kill him,
Speaker 1: and he probably had it coming even though he was okay,
Speaker 1: But nigga, I'm not gonna let y'all get kicked off
Speaker 1: this tour, right, you know what I'm saying. And so
Speaker 1: I calm him down. I'll leave mad at me. I
Speaker 1: get it, you know, but I knew I was right.
Speaker 1: And even if you don't know today, I'm sure he'll
Speaker 1: think like my black glasses stopped me because he needed
Speaker 1: that experience transformed his career. Same thing with Kendrick. The
Speaker 1: first time a lot of people saw him, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it really got to hear him and
Speaker 1: that was a special time. But it was a dude
Speaker 1: named Corey that comes on the bus Corey shout out
Speaker 1: to Corey. He was a tour manager as a white
Speaker 1: boy that worked for Tech. Cool dude. But he gets
Speaker 1: on the toy like, yeah, you know, I leave you
Speaker 1: guys could be off of this tour for you to
Speaker 1: put your fucking hands on him. You know it had
Speaker 1: been over, you know what I mean? And you're you're
Speaker 1: just Jay Rox type man. We don't even need you.
Speaker 1: And he's talking to Kendrick Lamar, right, so yeah, like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So being like being like,
Speaker 1: this is a lot of you. You gotta respect the power,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I think people really respect the power.
Speaker 1: I think people inherit the power and then they go
Speaker 1: they get power jump, they just go crazy. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: just they don't know how to deal with having so
Speaker 1: much power over a military. And so you get those
Speaker 1: guys that's bullying people who shouldn't nobody even be talking
Speaker 1: to you know what I'm saying, because I only would
Speaker 1: wake up for a nigga that was a challenge. He
Speaker 1: must have been some nigga. Oh oh he tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the perfect nigga to get into it with. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show him real fast who tougher. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but that's not everybody stands. I mean, some people get
Speaker 1: into these communities and get into these gangs and really
Speaker 1: just want to feel more power for themselves. They're not
Speaker 1: a part of a bigger unit. They really just trying
Speaker 1: to look and earn credibility amongst people that they really
Speaker 1: don't even known. I believe it.
Speaker 2: That's just it's basically just people that just want to
Speaker 2: be accepted. And again, and I think that's drawing back
Speaker 2: to the beginning, that's what Homeboy is trying to do it.
Speaker 2: And but he I got I think he got in
Speaker 2: over his head when he started acting. And that's what
Speaker 2: I was trying to get from you actually the answer,
Speaker 2: At what point do you think he started to try
Speaker 2: to act like he was from the culture, Like what
Speaker 2: things would you say that he was doing that he
Speaker 2: was you think he was trying to perpetrate.
Speaker 1: You know what, bro, if I'm gonna be honest with you, dog,
Speaker 1: let me be honest with you. So like Wayne Bird
Speaker 1: pretty much told us, you know that this dude was coming. Now.
Speaker 1: I remember being in there and he's playing some music
Speaker 1: and this nigga, you know, Drake was amazing like he
Speaker 1: was a unique talent. Bro. He was like incredible dog
Speaker 1: Like you could just tell, like I had been signed
Speaker 1: to this company for a year, had a hit, but
Speaker 1: I knew this dude was gonna be special because he
Speaker 1: was tough. That nigga knew the music like he knew
Speaker 1: the music like like like like nothing you ever saw right,
Speaker 1: And you know when his first project came out, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it did good. Thank Me letter
Speaker 1: came out did good. I think when I saw take
Speaker 1: when the take Care album came out, and he did
Speaker 1: the model because before before that off of the first CD,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing was the same. And Thank Me Later, No, no, not,
Speaker 1: nothing was the same. Forgive me, what's the mixtape? M
Speaker 1: the first mixtape he released it as an EP. Uh
Speaker 1: fuck uh it had it had best I ever had
Speaker 1: on that. Oh okay, that that first joint like uh,
Speaker 1: so far gone, so far gone, so far gone right,
Speaker 1: so so far gone came out. I think he was fine, right,
Speaker 1: everything was cool, so far gone right? Then Thank Me
Speaker 1: Later came out. What I think happened was by the
Speaker 1: time he got to take Care, which was like would
Speaker 1: be the second or third album that people might call
Speaker 1: it the second, but it's the third. I think that's
Speaker 1: when he started using more writers, right, and then so
Speaker 1: they started projecting ideas then and he started to act
Speaker 1: the ideas. Does that make sense? Yeah? Like so I'll
Speaker 1: never forget seeing the model because before that, I never
Speaker 1: really you know, looked at Drake in no funny way,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like he was just
Speaker 1: a cool kid that was from the TV show that
Speaker 1: really was an amazing artist. Like he was a hell
Speaker 1: of a talent if you look at my Twitter always
Speaker 1: talked about how special of a talent he.
Speaker 2: Was in terms of his technicality of understanding music, seeing
Speaker 2: creating records.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what the record. He knew what
Speaker 1: the record was when he walked in the door. Shout
Speaker 1: out to forty in his team because they knew a
Speaker 1: lot too. But like he was just a tough guy,
Speaker 1: Like you could tell he was prep for the moment.
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't no joke, which I'm sure he
Speaker 1: still is. I'm sure he's still stuff like that. He is.
Speaker 1: He's a real animal, bro. He's a record making animal.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: That Nigga is tough and he's not. He's more than
Speaker 1: a qualified him. See that nigga can rap. He's not
Speaker 1: no punk. Like I know, he got writers, but the
Speaker 1: nigga can write. He can write his own sure. But
Speaker 1: I think what happened was as he started getting writers
Speaker 1: right and people started to write, you know, because his
Speaker 1: run is unprecedented because we never seen that in hip
Speaker 1: hop and people use writers. So you know, at this time,
Speaker 1: I still don't know he's using writers. But I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the video for the motto and it's like he's
Speaker 1: doing certain things. He shooting the video with a low
Speaker 1: rider under the Bay Bridge. I'm like, see before that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever tried to be cultural on
Speaker 1: you know, So Far Gone or on Thank Me Later.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think it was just rap. You know,
Speaker 1: the songs with Eminem and Kanye and them dudes. I
Speaker 1: think it was just rap. He was just getting off
Speaker 1: showing you how talented of a songwriter as a rapper
Speaker 1: he was. And if you think about all of the songs,
Speaker 1: even the songs where you know, to find your loves
Speaker 1: and you just really got a chance to see him.
Speaker 1: But when he got to take care right and it's
Speaker 1: you certain songs, you know, the motto I'm watching him
Speaker 1: slowly start to get into spaces where he's starting to
Speaker 1: dabble into other cultures mm hm. And him and Tiger
Speaker 1: had fell out at that time, and I noticed he
Speaker 1: was saying some shit about Tiger, and I'm like, eh,
Speaker 1: this is funny. And then by the time he got
Speaker 1: to what people would call the third album, which is
Speaker 1: nothing was the same, right, and songs like started from
Speaker 1: the bottom. I think that became a problem. I think
Speaker 1: that became a problem, right. I think when he started
Speaker 1: doing those type of songs, when certain people started writing
Speaker 1: those songs, he started to act the part, so.
Speaker 2: Like why I wouldn't What we say is like a
Speaker 2: six ' nine, like a Tupac situation where I know,
Speaker 2: maybe nobody was writing their stuff, but they started to
Speaker 2: act out in character.
Speaker 1: No, there's is different, right, because Tupockets from Baltimore and
Speaker 1: New York and every ghetto, you know, the fucking Marine City,
Speaker 1: and he's from the ghetto. So you know I heard that,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing about Juice where oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he started to act like Bishop. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: this nigga is still from the ghetto. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and eventually the ghetto can't come out and it'll be befitting.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that's what happened to poc.
Speaker 1: Park was a man and he just stood on this
Speaker 1: shit he was on and you know, just like any
Speaker 1: any of the rest of us, it could cost us
Speaker 1: our life because you know, that's that's what we pay
Speaker 1: with when when shit go too far. Same for six
Speaker 1: nine six. Note as a ghetto kid, he grew up
Speaker 1: in the ghetto, sure you, I mean, and and you
Speaker 1: give him control over me, and he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: ghetto nigga would control you know, a ghetto man would
Speaker 1: control over men. I mean. And he was making a
Speaker 1: lot of bad decisions. But when it was time to
Speaker 1: be held accountable, I think it was actually racism that
Speaker 1: didn't allow people to see he should be held accountable.
Speaker 1: People act like he was around some gang members and
Speaker 1: they you know, they oh, he's he's stupid if they
Speaker 1: listen to him. No, this dude is from around the corner,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's from around the corner. But
Speaker 1: in their mind they saw him as like he yo.
Speaker 1: That's why I think it's like a level of racism
Speaker 1: where oh, no, he's a good kid. He just got
Speaker 1: mixed up with the gang and they were no sir.
Speaker 1: This nigga's a little sline ball from around the corner
Speaker 1: that was already catching cases, fucking with dope, selling dope
Speaker 1: and shit like that. And then he get the power
Speaker 1: of a gang to control because he has the economics
Speaker 1: and and opportunity for people. Sure, so it's different than them.
Speaker 1: Drake is like, he's not from the ghetto, like that
Speaker 1: thing that rules the ghetto. That's not what Drake had,
Speaker 1: because if it was those other situations, he would have
Speaker 1: dealt with him differently.
Speaker 2: Do you think he's surrounded himself with people who are
Speaker 2: from the hoods of Toronto and maybe that's why he
Speaker 2: feels that way.
Speaker 1: Sure, I would imagine. I would imagine, you know, Baka
Speaker 1: and and and all of his guys are our ghetto
Speaker 1: Toronto kids. You know what I mean. And you know.
Speaker 1: But again, that's why I think we have to do
Speaker 1: a much better job of guarding said culture, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's hard, right because other fuckers
Speaker 1: is poor. The fuckers is poor. Everybody want to take
Speaker 1: care of their family, bro. So it's easy for me
Speaker 1: to say something about Badka. If Baka go out and
Speaker 1: do some dumb shit listen to the cubs because he's
Speaker 1: paying his bills. But think, I remember when you know,
Speaker 1: people being broke you can make the money has been
Speaker 1: used to control people forever. Women give up their most
Speaker 1: prized possession for money, you know what I mean, they body.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like money is some shit, especially
Speaker 1: when you poor, especially when you come from that fucked
Speaker 1: up shit. I then went to jail for some pimp
Speaker 1: and shit, you know what i mean. So, like you
Speaker 1: can see you've been trying to get some money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Same thing Chubbs, all them
Speaker 1: dudes is trying to eat, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So like their situation is I get it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I get how you know, But so him,
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, I think it started when people started
Speaker 1: to write the raps, some of the raps, and he
Speaker 1: had to make people believe he could be the raps
Speaker 1: because when he wrote the raps himself, initially they were
Speaker 1: pretty true to form. It was his love for the
Speaker 1: the art of m sing, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: rapping and song making and really just being an outstanding
Speaker 1: talent versus Dick too sure, sure, but that's normal for
Speaker 1: most people that don't come up like we're taught against that.
Speaker 1: That's another street thing. Yeah, I mean we're taught against that,
Speaker 1: but we're taught against it. I don't nobody want to
Speaker 1: be a sucker for love where we're from. Normal people
Speaker 1: want to be a sucker for.
Speaker 2: The Most of the beefs that end up happening are
Speaker 2: always some ship this over a woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, you know, the teaching don't always fit
Speaker 1: the execution, like right, so it's different. But I think
Speaker 1: when he when somebody started to rifle cause and and
Speaker 1: then somebody started to ritelecuse, and then he started to
Speaker 1: act it out, and then I think he inherited how
Speaker 1: it made him feel like he he he loved how
Speaker 1: it made him feel. I mean, I think it happens
Speaker 1: to a lot a lot of NBA players that come
Speaker 1: in joint gangs. I mean they they you.
Speaker 2: Know, like the idea of throwing up the hood and
Speaker 2: show the pool on camera.
Speaker 1: Being a which is I don't know what's cool about
Speaker 1: I don't know it's cool about it, but it looks cool,
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean if I'm looking at it and I'm wondering,
Speaker 2: and I had to wonder why they would do it.
Speaker 2: I would think because they think it looks cool. Because
Speaker 2: you got to think NBA players when we say that,
Speaker 2: like you know, not that they're little kids, but they're
Speaker 2: essentially pretty young guys. Well they're young though, but they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're grown ups, but they're young adults influential. Still, what
Speaker 2: are they like most of them be like twenty two,
Speaker 2: twenty one, you know what I mean. Now, when I
Speaker 2: start seeing them twenty four to twenty five, twenty six
Speaker 2: doing that, that's when I'm just like, all right, that's
Speaker 2: weird as hell. But like twenty one twenty two even
Speaker 2: that's considered really old, right, yeah, and infrastructure, But I
Speaker 2: guess I understand it's still a little bit more at
Speaker 2: that age for me.
Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, yeah, I think that's what happened because
Speaker 1: and then I think at that point he started buying
Speaker 1: what he was selling. That's what happened.
Speaker 2: So but here's my other thing, like, because you know
Speaker 2: how he brought up in the battle that you know,
Speaker 2: he did the first record with you know, he has
Speaker 2: records with Kendrick.
Speaker 1: You know, so Kendrick's first.
Speaker 2: Early records, he hopped on them and helped because he
Speaker 2: was the bigger artist at the time. So, like, I'm
Speaker 2: wondering you that, you know, Kendrick, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've talked to him about it, or if you just
Speaker 2: just by knowing him, maybe you might give a guesstimate
Speaker 2: of what his thought process was, Like where did he
Speaker 2: start get getting this resentment from that?
Speaker 1: He could he just realized Cousin was a sucker. That's
Speaker 1: all it was. I used to tell him. He used
Speaker 1: to look at me crazy. He's like, man, you don't
Speaker 1: fuck with the dude you could. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: care about that cud like that. You know, all of
Speaker 1: the homies look at me like that, all, especially the
Speaker 1: dudes that's a little younger than me. They all look
Speaker 1: at me like I'm hello, stoic on opportunity. But it's
Speaker 1: like I can't take all opportunity, Like I can't do
Speaker 1: it now. You know, he wanted to. He liked it,
Speaker 1: He liked he liked Drake, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But again, it changed, it changed. He changed. He went
Speaker 1: from being his dope talent to like, oh, I'm really
Speaker 1: one of y'all, and it's like, yeah, like no, bro,
Speaker 1: you're not.
Speaker 2: I think that was again I'm going to tie that
Speaker 2: into I think because all them dudes baka forty, you know,
Speaker 2: have they all been there from the very very beginning.
Speaker 1: Not all of them, That's what I'm saying. So forty
Speaker 1: been there from the beginning.
Speaker 2: It's like the Battle Rapper that he's not really a
Speaker 2: street dude like that, like he in the sense of
Speaker 2: like a tough guy, right, but then he gets on
Speaker 2: the stage and talking all this ship and he talking
Speaker 2: big ship now in the Battle Rapper, and if you notice,
Speaker 2: he never talks about himself directly to be tough, like
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever like you know, I
Speaker 2: like to watch battle So it's like it's always like, yo,
Speaker 2: my man got the boo. So if you did it,
Speaker 2: do this, you come close to me, you know, my
Speaker 2: man got the And it's always I'm tough by association. Sure,
Speaker 2: And I think that's probably what really started happening to him.
Speaker 3: I think so he got around some thugs and start thugging, yeah, basically.
Speaker 3: And and the cold part is it's it's you've seen it.
Speaker 3: I've seen people do it around you when they get
Speaker 3: around you, and they think because they they real crips
Speaker 3: and stuff and yeah, and it's like I've had to
Speaker 3: tell people that I brought around, like, bro, you need
Speaker 3: to relax, like.
Speaker 2: You you know, I won't mention no names. But remember
Speaker 2: one time when we were in the studio and you know,
Speaker 2: I won't mention one name. G Baan was there and
Speaker 2: someone kept calling him cuz he was like, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: He had to tell him and it was like, you're
Speaker 2: not really don't Why are you cousin and doing all that?
Speaker 2: Like you know, if you if you don't really like
Speaker 2: that's don't do that.
Speaker 1: People do that though. It's kind of weird. It's a
Speaker 1: tough out, Bro, it's a tough out for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm glad this humbled his ass. He needs to relax, though, man,
Speaker 2: because he hit the scorpio in him. I think is
Speaker 2: like the ego he wants. He wants to get back.
Speaker 2: But I don't even think as an MC. I don't
Speaker 2: think he he can outthink Kendrick after watching what I've seen,
Speaker 2: like he I think he could do better if they
Speaker 2: did a round two because he's a student, so he's
Speaker 2: watched what Kendrick has done so it's a possibility he
Speaker 2: could do better. I just don't know if he would
Speaker 2: pick the right angle, because the angle he picked is terrible.
Speaker 2: That's why Kendrick ate his ass up. Kendrick let him
Speaker 2: pick his own poison and then kicked his ass.
Speaker 1: Hip hop leaves would co don't lead with music, And
Speaker 1: that's the hardest part to digest about it. It's about
Speaker 1: the style of stuff. It ain't about just the talent
Speaker 1: or execution. It's about this is what I talked to
Speaker 1: you about. It's like hip hop leads with you know, culture,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it was always gonna
Speaker 1: be a tough battle for Drake because Drake can't just
Speaker 1: be a Jewish kid. The culture that he could lean
Speaker 1: on the most, he just can't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna work. I don't think he did himself
Speaker 1: any justice by not going to his strength, which is
Speaker 1: he's a great record writer and he knows how to
Speaker 1: make a great record. So you do these other songs
Speaker 1: and they're not great records. I mean, you got one
Speaker 1: great record which is probably a push up song, and
Speaker 1: it's like you abandon that. You don't like your pride
Speaker 1: and joy since you've been in the business as hooks.
Speaker 1: That's not to say there's not a lot of people
Speaker 1: who like hip hop that don't like your bars, like
Speaker 1: niggas like CAUs bars. The nigga's tough. But your pride
Speaker 1: and joy that makes you special versus every other MC
Speaker 1: that's ever came through the doors. Your ability to do
Speaker 1: your course and know what a good course is and
Speaker 1: execute it hook like you was a hook master, like
Speaker 1: not just a dobe MC, but you could make a hook.
Speaker 1: So why out of four or five songs wouldre only be.
Speaker 2: One hook Because egoistically, he wanted to show, this is
Speaker 2: my opinion, he wanted to show I can out rap Kendrick.
Speaker 1: I'm better than you at rapping.
Speaker 2: You're not as good as you think you are, which again,
Speaker 2: like I tell some of the homies, I commend him
Speaker 2: for that because he took I mean, you lost, but
Speaker 2: you took a stand because you said I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna beat you at what you think you're better than
Speaker 2: me at and it just didn't work out. And then
Speaker 2: after you lost that battle, he beats.
Speaker 1: You at what you're good at. Well. Remember he started
Speaker 1: with a great record. I was number one, No. Kendrick,
Speaker 1: you know, with future and and and oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: that was just a verse. No, but that that's important
Speaker 1: because that's the first disc that started the battle. Sure,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and the problem is
Speaker 1: that was a number one song. That was a great record,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So why not come with
Speaker 1: a hit record to rival once you did? He came
Speaker 1: with pushups and it was like he got actor it.
Speaker 1: He kind of killed the momentum when he did that
Speaker 1: goofy Ai song with the tupocet snoopid. That is done.
Speaker 1: But again that's that cornball coming out. Sure, and not
Speaker 1: understanding you know, cultural you know, cultural cachet at that
Speaker 1: point to care about relevance, like like what makes sense?
Speaker 1: What's cool? He didn't care about that. No, he thought
Speaker 1: that was So again that's the cornball coming out. Yep. Well,
Speaker 1: because nobody culturally that came from this would think to themselves,
Speaker 1: oh that's cool. None of us would think that. Sure,
Speaker 1: but because he doesn't know, but he thought it was creative,
Speaker 1: I would think, but it's corny. And see, you gotta
Speaker 1: just know this and this is the point of being
Speaker 1: truly the culture, your natural feel for it you'd be like,
Speaker 1: that's corny. And don't get me wrong, sometimes you push,
Speaker 1: but that's corny, you know what I'm saying. And that's
Speaker 1: something like if I was around, because I'm like, hey cut,
Speaker 1: that's corny. Don't put that out, you know what I mean. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know what Baka or Chubbs or forty them
Speaker 1: was saying, but they should have said, hey cut, that's corny,
Speaker 1: don't put that out. Yeah. So I think in his
Speaker 1: situation is he didn't lean to his strengths in a
Speaker 1: battle that he was already most likely gonna lose because
Speaker 1: he didn't have the cultural cachet in the match the
Speaker 1: next MC who is just as talented, who's probably just
Speaker 1: as great of a writer, who's probably just as talented,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like he's for sure your
Speaker 1: match with talent. He don't have one hundred ghostwriters demo
Speaker 1: in songs, Like, he's just as talented as you are
Speaker 1: as a writer, as an MC and as a songwriter.
Speaker 1: He didn't believe that though, because he started to buy
Speaker 1: the shit he was selling. He forgot that he had riders,
Speaker 1: he forgot he had help. He like, oh I'm good,
Speaker 1: I really never needed Yes she did. You did need
Speaker 1: to help with these riders. That's the only way you
Speaker 1: could put together this much music and it still stay
Speaker 1: on course. To give this many variety of thoughts. Jay
Speaker 1: Z couldn't do it this long. Jay Z had to
Speaker 1: take a break. This nigga ain't took a break in
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen years. Yeah, he just got put on time out.
Speaker 1: He hadn't took a break before that. That motherfucker had Yo.
Speaker 1: That is crazy for me, Like that was crazy bro.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, he was always gonna be in deep.
Speaker 1: I told niggas I tweeted it. I knew they saw it.
Speaker 1: I knew his homie saw it. Like, broh, that's a
Speaker 1: bad battle. I wouldn't take that battle. I would let
Speaker 1: Cuz get that song off and I would fight it
Speaker 1: on my own. You know this is the mind I have.
Speaker 1: I would fight that when I'm ready to fight it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have let the song of Future Metro and
Speaker 1: Kendrick come out and then I responded to that song.
Speaker 1: I'd have let that go by and wait till the
Speaker 1: album and drop some shit on cuz you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I would not have tried to just initiate
Speaker 1: the battle and and you know, or or try to
Speaker 1: let him dictate when we start to fight. It's like boxing,
Speaker 1: like sometimes you move around the ring and then you
Speaker 1: you dictate to fight yourself. Yeah, and he didn't allow
Speaker 1: the he didn't dictate the fight. He got caught with
Speaker 1: a really great punch from the first song, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like that, you got caught with a
Speaker 1: great punch, you know what I'm saying. And then you
Speaker 1: just came in there fighting.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is kind of like uh bargas Trindon Dad.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, where he was more mad. You got punched
Speaker 1: and you walked yourself into something that got you knocked out.
Speaker 1: You can't do it. And that's where to me, like
Speaker 1: and no world would he beat this boy, And no
Speaker 1: world would he beat Kendrick Because it's like Kendrick is
Speaker 1: as good as you are as a writer, as a talent,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He's just as good as
Speaker 1: you are as all of these things. And he has
Speaker 1: cultural cachet. He understands culture in a way that a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't. He was able to do a
Speaker 1: lot of things without it.
Speaker 2: That's that's why and you could tell that he didn't
Speaker 2: understand that because he thought, oh, you know, because I've
Speaker 2: done records with YG, I'm gonna name these people.
Speaker 1: And those people are like, what the fuck? Don't name me?
Speaker 2: Because he he he literally was trying to say like, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 1: You didn't gang bang.
Speaker 2: I know guys are really gang bang, and that's what
Speaker 2: I don't know these guys, right, But he thinks because
Speaker 2: that's and that, and that goes back to what I'm
Speaker 2: telling you. I'm telling you he started thinking this because
Speaker 2: he gets around people like you think, because you've done
Speaker 2: a record and you did some videos of YG, that's
Speaker 2: your homie.
Speaker 1: That's not your homie, bro. But because there's no other
Speaker 1: way to build a bond besides that. But again, a
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like they can buy people.
Speaker 2: I think a genuine bond is a genuine bond, and
Speaker 2: that's what people. That's what he needs to at least
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 1: I think I think he understands a genuine bond. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's the issue. I think his situation is
Speaker 1: he gotta understand culture matters. Mm hmm, it matters. Culture matters.
Speaker 1: That shitt matter, bro. Way like this shit we call
Speaker 1: street urban culture matters, and if you don't really give
Speaker 1: it credence, if you think it's something that you could
Speaker 1: just play with and fuck over and oh, don't mean much,
Speaker 1: or it's a myth, or all this dumbass that everybody's saying,
Speaker 1: because it's like you're gonna come up on the short
Speaker 1: end of the stick with this shit, and you're starting
Speaker 1: to see it.
Speaker 2: You know, not to switch it, but I'm starting to
Speaker 2: see it now even with like you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you've been talking about this for almost ten years now,
Speaker 2: with Mexicans and hip hop, and now you're starting to
Speaker 2: see a lot of these guys now they're wearing the
Speaker 2: hats Aboutchuco hats. Guys I've never seen wear those kind
Speaker 2: of hats before in there in my life. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying I'm the guy that made them look at that,
Speaker 2: but I know that there's guys that have a lot
Speaker 2: more views than me that still see what I do,
Speaker 2: and because they have more followers, they're doing it. But
Speaker 2: what I noticed that they're noticing is what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: The thing that they don't have is a secret weapon,
Speaker 2: is that I have a friend that knows the industry
Speaker 2: even way more than probably anybody they know. So while
Speaker 2: they're trying to do the look, they're not doing the music.
Speaker 2: Now the guys that are doing the music to match, well,
Speaker 2: there isn't any that's why, well, no, there isn't any
Speaker 2: That's why they're not at that level.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a combination of a few things, right, having
Speaker 1: the cultural cachet, you know, understanding it, and then being
Speaker 1: relevant with then said conversations, right, and then really delivering
Speaker 1: a great record in that fold. Because you do have
Speaker 1: people that deliver great records that lack cultural cachet, I mean,
Speaker 1: then they can figure out. Genesis is a prime example
Speaker 1: of somebody who delivered great records before he actually figured
Speaker 1: out culturally how you want to be represented. So you
Speaker 1: watch one part of his career where he delivers these
Speaker 1: really big kind of parody records of lifestyle the streets,
Speaker 1: right Coco, oh yeah, yeah, cut it whatever, And then
Speaker 1: you look at this version now where now it's just
Speaker 1: cultural cache of him just being you know, him representing crips.
Speaker 1: He don't have the same big records, but there's still
Speaker 1: a level of of relevance that he has because he's
Speaker 1: carrying culture m I mean he will see it in
Speaker 1: the culture. Nipp is somebody who really didn't have a
Speaker 1: ton of records, I mean really none, but he had
Speaker 1: this cultural cash. The cultural stash was on one hundred
Speaker 1: on the scale of one to one hundred. So and
Speaker 1: I think matter Dom is such a special talent man.
Speaker 2: Like, but he carries culture. He just carries the culture
Speaker 2: that he represents, which is west almost like West La
Speaker 2: West Side. No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Dom is definitely like a beach kid. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I see Dom when I see Dom, alright, listen to
Speaker 2: Dom like I get it now. When we used to
Speaker 2: say we remember, you used to tell me like your
Speaker 2: record should feel like where you're from. Like when you
Speaker 2: hear his stuff, I feel like I'm at Venice Beach.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in Santa Monica.
Speaker 1: Same thing, same thing for our future. They like when
Speaker 1: you listen to them, the dudes sound like little idiot
Speaker 1: skateboard kids. Yeah, you know, just enjoying life, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking around. And I think that's what makes hip hop,
Speaker 1: you know, that's how you can break consistency. It's hard
Speaker 1: to break consistency. Without it, you can look up and
Speaker 1: get a song or even get a hit album. I mean,
Speaker 1: but it's another thing to repeat it. Like, it's the
Speaker 1: reason why Snoop is a fifty four year old man
Speaker 1: that's still a crypt You don't need cripping no more.
Speaker 1: He understands the cultural cachet of representing and decided he's
Speaker 1: going to represent. Well what else would you guys do? Though?
Speaker 1: Like that's what I don't get like that.
Speaker 2: That's like people that say, like when you know that
Speaker 2: one picture where they showed Alan iverson and the said
Speaker 2: people are saying, oh, he's trying to dress like a
Speaker 2: kid swear and throwback jerseys and Nike wristbands, Jordan headbands,
Speaker 2: and people are like, he's always dressed way what the
Speaker 2: hell is he was? He supposed to put on slacks
Speaker 2: and a button up shirt. And you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because there's so when you say Snoop is a fifty like,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect nothing else.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. But again people think of it differently.
Speaker 1: They think they think these are phases. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you don't understand culture, you look at
Speaker 1: certain things like a phase. Like imagine a black person
Speaker 1: that goes to a face where he's just eating soul food. No,
Speaker 1: it's more of a it's more of an identity of
Speaker 1: who you are and what your people been through. So
Speaker 1: even when you start to get healthy, you're still going
Speaker 1: to indulge in some soul food every once in a
Speaker 1: while to remind yourself where you know, the people you
Speaker 1: fuck with came from. So it's a big thing. That
Speaker 1: makes sense, That makes sense. It's a huge thing, bro,
Speaker 1: It's a huge, big wormhole, ye.
Speaker 2: For Drake and Kendrick, because you know, I didn't want
Speaker 2: to make I didn't want to I didn't know where
Speaker 2: we were going with it, but I didn't want to
Speaker 2: make it all about you know, the battle, but more
Speaker 2: so about that the ideas of whol both these guys
Speaker 2: are as individuals.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's heavy. It definitely made for a different
Speaker 1: type of exchange, something we never seen before. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But Drake paid with Drake paid
Speaker 1: forward with his life. You know, it's his cultural life
Speaker 1: because now culturally he's dead. That's not to say that Drake,
Speaker 1: he's such an outstanding talent and all of that. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll get some records. You know, he got
Speaker 1: a couple decent ones now, but he'll never be viewed
Speaker 1: as cool to me anymore. That's the problem. M He like,
Speaker 1: that's weird.
Speaker 2: People really did view him as cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I never viewed him. So he got
Speaker 1: into a space to where he was viewed as cool.
Speaker 1: And see that's what his fight was. He you know,
Speaker 1: his fight was to be cool.
Speaker 2: So then this really exposed out on so many levels.
Speaker 2: Because I know you're probably I didn't necessarily listen to
Speaker 2: the AI record and say this is corny. You're obviously
Speaker 2: you did right off of friends heard cool like me.
Speaker 2: I listened to it and I was like, it's kind
Speaker 2: of weird, Like why do he do that? I didn't
Speaker 2: think it was whack. I just didn't know what he
Speaker 2: was like, like, I get him, but why why would
Speaker 2: you do this like that?
Speaker 1: That's how I looked at it.
Speaker 2: What got me at super corny was when k Dot
Speaker 2: dropped and remember I told you, I said, do you
Speaker 2: know this fool listen to k Dot's record and went
Speaker 2: and put ten things I hate about you on his
Speaker 2: timeline When she said I hate the way you make
Speaker 2: me like you you don't know was super corny.
Speaker 1: But that's also also you're talking to somebody again who
Speaker 1: didn't grow up in the culture to understand what happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, he don't get what's not cool. And and
Speaker 1: and there is an audience of people you know who
Speaker 1: really don't care. They just like he's really and successful,
Speaker 1: so whatever he does is cool. But to the people
Speaker 1: that you know at the cornerstone of it, bro, we
Speaker 1: know that shit not cool, and we gonna look at
Speaker 1: you like you're not cool, and eventually it'll catch on
Speaker 1: to them everything that mattered in the street. There's this
Speaker 1: belief that like what happened with Gunner right where he
Speaker 1: told in that situation where he took a plea in
Speaker 1: a kind of blu thug under the bus, right, people like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he came out and he sold so many records. He
Speaker 1: had a hit record right after that. People don't care
Speaker 1: about snitching, Yes they do. What happens is it'll slow down.
Speaker 1: Remember like I told you with six nine, them like
Speaker 1: this is gonna slow down, yeah, because we just you're
Speaker 1: not cool. No more. You you're not cool. Like you'll
Speaker 1: be hot at the moment and people will be saying
Speaker 1: your name and they'll feel like they're having their rebelliousness
Speaker 1: against the streets. Oh you know this person right here?
Speaker 1: I like them. They're you know they didn't care. You
Speaker 1: know they should have told And then you know what
Speaker 1: happened to even the most squares motherfucker, They realize you
Speaker 1: a whole ass nigga too. They're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: you really not and slowly d windows dwindos dwindos to
Speaker 1: where you can't even get nothing off no more, and
Speaker 1: you ruin your existence from even like we're gunner bro,
Speaker 1: like like your kids is gonna call you a rap bro.
Speaker 1: You're you're not gonna be able to take this off, right,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to remove this. I can't
Speaker 1: go We're gonna call your kids rat like your dad
Speaker 1: is a rat, you know what I'm saying, Like your dad,
Speaker 1: Like this is not going to go anywhere. And that's
Speaker 1: what I think, Like Troy Avenem just came home, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like you could say all this, but niggas
Speaker 1: is gonna always look at you this way. Right, This
Speaker 1: is a permanent stain. And I don't care the police,
Speaker 1: not even just like you know the ghetto, the police. Girl,
Speaker 1: if you get into it with a girl, Troy, get
Speaker 1: into it with a girl, girl gonna be like you
Speaker 1: was a snitch anyway, Like this is going to stain
Speaker 1: you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: But as somebody who's like you know, from the streets
Speaker 2: and did that, you should also reiterate or you know,
Speaker 2: make it a point to say, gee, on this podcast
Speaker 2: you have pee a lot of people that listen to
Speaker 2: it that I think sometimes even within the streets, some
Speaker 2: people are not that smart because they'll say, oh, he's
Speaker 2: a rat, as if that makes that person a punk.
Speaker 2: A rat will smoke you just like anybody else. And
Speaker 2: that's what people need to realize, Like, I get what
Speaker 2: you're saying, I mean what they are.
Speaker 1: You know, a rat can bite you and shit, I
Speaker 1: don't kill shit. So if you go present the line
Speaker 1: on somebody playing with him, you better be ready to
Speaker 1: hold him accountable for real, because they can, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the craziest people. I'm not I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't think people should go around and shaming him. That's
Speaker 1: not the goal. Like I think they shame themselves. I
Speaker 1: just dislike that they acting like that, and I would
Speaker 1: rather them explain to me, how did you shame yourself?
Speaker 1: Why'd you think it's okay? Then to make it feel
Speaker 1: like like we're crazy. Like you didn't shame yourself, right,
Speaker 1: so something you was pressing this whole time and you
Speaker 1: wake up one day. Now it is different when you
Speaker 1: at when you want a motherfucker, you know, when you
Speaker 1: want are.
Speaker 2: It's like the Homeboy Jazzo says, man, it's a really
Speaker 2: dope line. I'm sure I don't know if he heard
Speaker 2: it somewhereere it is. It's not on you, it's in you, right.
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