WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Jason Lierl Part 2 0:00:07.565 --> 0:00:12.805 The School of Humans. In January of twenty twenty two, 0:00:13.565 --> 0:00:17.245 Jason Lyrell was visiting some friends in Madison County, Arkansas, 0:00:17.725 --> 0:00:22.325 when he disappeared without a trace. On February thirteenth, twenty 0:00:22.365 --> 0:00:25.605 twenty two, a few weeks after Jason went missing, a 0:00:25.685 --> 0:00:29.365 man was arrested in Barry County, Missouri on shoplifting charges 0:00:29.645 --> 0:00:32.605 and had blood on his hands and all over his clothing. 0:00:34.285 --> 0:00:37.005 He claimed to be Clint Phillips, the man who was 0:00:37.085 --> 0:00:40.965 originally charged with and acquitted of the nineteen ninety four 0:00:41.085 --> 0:00:44.245 murder of Billy Jean Phillips. But the man with the 0:00:44.285 --> 0:00:47.725 blood on his clothes was not Clint Phillips. In fact, 0:00:48.125 --> 0:00:52.605 his name was Jimmy Evans. Jimmy Evans had known Jason 0:00:52.685 --> 0:00:56.765 Lyrel since they were kids, and according to this police report, 0:00:57.205 --> 0:01:00.725 Jimmy Evans said that he had information about Jason Lyrell 0:01:01.125 --> 0:01:03.365 and that Madison County would want to talk to him 0:01:03.405 --> 0:01:06.605 about a capital murder. We're going to go back to 0:01:06.725 --> 0:01:10.005 January twenty third, twenty twenty two, where we left off 0:01:10.045 --> 0:01:13.365 last week. In the timeline, Jason had been staying at 0:01:13.365 --> 0:01:16.285 his friend Miriam's house for a couple of days. Remember, 0:01:16.325 --> 0:01:19.805 he arrived there on January twenty first. He was driven 0:01:19.845 --> 0:01:22.405 there by a guy named Don, who had known Miriam 0:01:22.405 --> 0:01:25.285 for a long time Anne, who also knew Jason back 0:01:25.325 --> 0:01:28.445 in the day. For the first couple of days that 0:01:28.525 --> 0:01:31.285 Jason was at Miriam's, things appeared to be going well. 0:01:31.845 --> 0:01:34.965 He and Miriam had reconnected after a long time. They 0:01:35.005 --> 0:01:37.525 seemed to like each other, and there were also some 0:01:37.645 --> 0:01:42.525 other people around, including Charity and Troy, who Miriam said 0:01:42.525 --> 0:01:45.405 had been living there on her property for a few months. 0:01:46.285 --> 0:01:49.965 Don was also around, and also a guy named Aaron 0:01:50.085 --> 0:01:53.565 came over. Some other people had been coming and going 0:01:54.925 --> 0:01:57.925 over the next couple of days. They hung out together, 0:01:58.085 --> 0:02:01.125 did some drugs, partied, and everything seemed to be going 0:02:01.165 --> 0:02:05.285 pretty well. But on January twenty third, things took a 0:02:05.565 --> 0:02:11.005 darker turn, and then Jason vanished. It's been over two 0:02:11.085 --> 0:02:14.405 years and no trace of Jason Lirell has been found. 0:02:17.565 --> 0:02:20.925 Police indicated in their report that there were several theories 0:02:20.965 --> 0:02:24.085 about what could have happened to Jason. I've had several 0:02:24.125 --> 0:02:28.525 possibilities mentioned to me as well. One is that Jason 0:02:28.565 --> 0:02:31.645 could have taken an accidental overdose and wandered off and 0:02:31.685 --> 0:02:34.725 then possibly succumbed to the elements or frozen to death. 0:02:36.165 --> 0:02:40.405 Another possibility was that he was murdered, burned, or possibly 0:02:40.445 --> 0:02:44.765 buried somewhere on Miriam's property. There's also some evidence of 0:02:44.805 --> 0:02:48.245 a third possibility that Jason could have been the victim 0:02:48.445 --> 0:02:52.805 of a sexual predator. I'm Catherine Townsend. If you have 0:02:52.885 --> 0:02:55.165 a case you'd like me and my team to look into, 0:02:55.685 --> 0:02:58.005 you can reach out to us at our helengoone murder 0:02:58.045 --> 0:03:01.405 line at six seven eight seven four four six ' 0:03:01.405 --> 0:03:04.565 one four or five that six seven eight seven four 0:03:04.645 --> 0:03:08.645 four one four or five this is Hell and Gone 0:03:08.925 --> 0:03:45.405 murder line. Last week we talked about Jason's timeline, but 0:03:45.565 --> 0:03:48.645 just to review, Jason was going through a divorce. He 0:03:48.725 --> 0:03:52.285 had separated from his wife, Jamaica, and their divorce was 0:03:52.405 --> 0:03:56.325 going through the court system. Then sometime in the winner 0:03:56.365 --> 0:04:00.245 of twenty twenty two, Jason started having issues with drugs. 0:04:01.205 --> 0:04:04.285 Jason had missed a court ordered drug test on January 0:04:04.365 --> 0:04:07.165 nineteenth that was real related to custody of his son. 0:04:07.965 --> 0:04:11.125 After that, it seems that things started going on more 0:04:11.125 --> 0:04:14.645 of a downward spiral for Jason. So last week we 0:04:14.725 --> 0:04:18.125 talked to Jason's sister Sarah. We got the timeline from 0:04:18.125 --> 0:04:21.565 her point of view, we learned that on January twenty fourth, 0:04:21.765 --> 0:04:24.605 she was texting back and forth with Jason. He was 0:04:24.685 --> 0:04:27.005 planning to be back at the apartment that they shared 0:04:27.045 --> 0:04:31.205 in Fayetteville, Arkansas, on January twenty fifth, because Sarah had 0:04:31.245 --> 0:04:34.045 to go on a work trip. Jason was going to 0:04:34.125 --> 0:04:37.645 dog sit for her dog, Woodie, but Jason never showed up. 0:04:38.685 --> 0:04:41.645 Sarah told us that she believes the text messages that 0:04:41.685 --> 0:04:45.445 she received on January twenty fifth were perhaps not sent 0:04:45.485 --> 0:04:48.885 from Jason. She said they were misspelled, they didn't sound 0:04:48.965 --> 0:04:52.165 like something that he would have sent. But the last 0:04:52.205 --> 0:04:54.965 text she got from Jason's phone indicated that he was 0:04:55.045 --> 0:04:59.645 in Hinesville. This was on the afternoon of January twenty fifth, 0:04:59.685 --> 0:05:04.045 a little after four pm. Hinesville is near both Down's 0:05:04.085 --> 0:05:07.845 residence and Miriam's resid where Jason had been staying. So 0:05:07.965 --> 0:05:09.925 now we're going to go more in depth about what 0:05:10.085 --> 0:05:12.605 was actually going on out in the woods while Jason 0:05:12.645 --> 0:05:16.645 was at Miriam's house. What we know from Miriam, and 0:05:17.325 --> 0:05:19.405 when I say what we know, I mean she gave 0:05:19.485 --> 0:05:23.405 this information to the police. She's also posted this information 0:05:23.605 --> 0:05:27.605 and a detailed timeline to social media. There are some 0:05:27.725 --> 0:05:30.925 discrepancies in Miriam's and other people's stories, and we are 0:05:31.045 --> 0:05:34.565 going to go in depth into those. I initially got 0:05:34.605 --> 0:05:36.885 involved with this case when I talked to someone who 0:05:36.965 --> 0:05:40.845 formerly worked in law enforcement in Madison County. This person 0:05:40.925 --> 0:05:44.485 also knew Jason from high school. He said that he 0:05:44.565 --> 0:05:48.045 became disillusioned with how things in Madison County were operating. 0:05:48.765 --> 0:05:52.045 He goes under the pseudonym Jay Brown and regularly posts 0:05:52.045 --> 0:05:56.125 to the website Jason Lirel Missing Persons. He also grew 0:05:56.165 --> 0:05:58.525 up in the area and is very familiar with this terrain. 0:05:59.325 --> 0:06:02.285 He says he's put well over one thousand hours into 0:06:02.285 --> 0:06:05.125 this case. He's trying to help Sarah and the rest 0:06:05.165 --> 0:06:08.685 of Jason and his family and friends get answers and justice. 0:06:09.485 --> 0:06:11.645 By the way, just a side note here, Miriam has 0:06:11.645 --> 0:06:14.645 insisted that she's done everything she can to help the investigation. 0:06:14.805 --> 0:06:19.405 She's provided information to Jason's family, she's cooperating with law enforcement, 0:06:19.525 --> 0:06:23.405 she let them voluntarily search her property, and she says 0:06:23.485 --> 0:06:26.085 she has no idea what happened to Jason and that 0:06:26.165 --> 0:06:29.965 she had nothing to do with it. Jay Brown acknowledged 0:06:30.005 --> 0:06:33.485 there were some discrepancies in Miriam's narrative, but for what 0:06:33.565 --> 0:06:36.485 it's worth, he said he believed that Miriam was, for 0:06:36.565 --> 0:06:39.725 the most part truthful. He said it appeared that she 0:06:39.885 --> 0:06:41.365 cared deeply for Jason. 0:06:41.965 --> 0:06:44.285 In the days he was there, they were taking walks together, 0:06:44.405 --> 0:06:48.045 hanging out with Miriam's kid, talking about getting cleaned together, 0:06:48.205 --> 0:06:51.045 talking about opening the hot dog stand on the dock 0:06:51.565 --> 0:06:54.645 and living on the property and just trying to restart 0:06:54.725 --> 0:06:59.125 their life. She's expressed extreme remorse and broken down numerous 0:06:59.125 --> 0:07:03.525 times in my presence when discussing this, and she said 0:07:03.565 --> 0:07:06.565 she thought she was inviting him to a safe area, 0:07:06.845 --> 0:07:10.925 and she feels in part responsible for his death because 0:07:10.965 --> 0:07:13.085 she's the one that kind of asked him to come there. 0:07:14.245 --> 0:07:16.765 I'm really hoping this is true because we really need 0:07:16.805 --> 0:07:19.165 Miriam to continue to share information if we're going to 0:07:19.205 --> 0:07:22.005 get to the bottom of this. Jay told me that 0:07:22.045 --> 0:07:26.485 he's also heard several rumors. He's heard that Jason's remains 0:07:26.525 --> 0:07:29.325 were buried somewhere near where there is a rail buggy 0:07:29.365 --> 0:07:32.325 in a muddy area. He's heard the body was put 0:07:32.325 --> 0:07:35.325 into a barrel and dropped into Beaver Lake. He's also 0:07:35.445 --> 0:07:39.325 heard that several people shot Jason, possibly because they believe 0:07:39.405 --> 0:07:44.405 that he was a police informant. Since there's so many 0:07:44.485 --> 0:07:47.525 rumors surrounding this case, I need to take a step back. 0:07:47.925 --> 0:07:50.205 We have to really try to stay focused on the 0:07:50.245 --> 0:07:54.685 tangible physical evidence, and there is some physical evidence. The 0:07:54.765 --> 0:07:58.645 first piece of evidence is Jason's black Honda Civic. Actually 0:07:58.645 --> 0:08:01.725 the car belonged to Sarah, but she loaned it to 0:08:01.805 --> 0:08:04.525 Jason and he'd been driving it. Now we mentioned that 0:08:04.645 --> 0:08:07.405 Jason's car was found about a week after he went 0:08:07.445 --> 0:08:10.245 missing in the parking lot of J C. Pennies at 0:08:10.245 --> 0:08:14.285 the Northwest Arkansas Mall in Fayable. We know that Jason 0:08:14.445 --> 0:08:17.485 was a gun lover. He had several weapons, which of 0:08:17.565 --> 0:08:21.285 course are expensive. He took his guns with him when 0:08:21.285 --> 0:08:24.645 he left Sarah's, but the guns were not recovered. With 0:08:24.725 --> 0:08:27.605 the rest of his property. Jason kept some of his 0:08:27.725 --> 0:08:31.165 clothes and some other stuff in a duffel bag. Sarah 0:08:31.205 --> 0:08:33.565 met police at that parking lot and they went through 0:08:33.645 --> 0:08:37.685 Jason's car. According to the police report, the detectives used 0:08:37.685 --> 0:08:40.325 black light to explore the car interior and look for 0:08:40.365 --> 0:08:44.765 body fluids, including siemen, saliva or sweat. They saw no 0:08:44.885 --> 0:08:49.485 signs of blood and found no fingerprints. The detective noted 0:08:49.565 --> 0:08:53.325 that the car was very dirty, so in his opinion, 0:08:53.445 --> 0:08:57.125 it had not been vacuumed or wiped down or cleaned 0:08:57.725 --> 0:09:00.805 by whoever parked it there. And the detective wrote that 0:09:00.925 --> 0:09:04.405 based on this information, police did not believe that whoever 0:09:04.485 --> 0:09:06.565 left the car there had cleaned it in order to 0:09:06.565 --> 0:09:10.685 destroy evidence. In other words, it seemed that police were 0:09:10.765 --> 0:09:14.685 theorizing that the car was not the crime scene. The 0:09:14.765 --> 0:09:17.725 officer measured the position of both front seats and noted 0:09:17.765 --> 0:09:20.525 the driver's seat was sixteen inches from the front of 0:09:20.565 --> 0:09:25.845 the driver's doorframe. The passenger seat was backed up nineteen inches. Now, 0:09:26.165 --> 0:09:28.405 this backs up Sarah's story what she was telling us 0:09:28.485 --> 0:09:31.005 last week, that the car seat did not seem to 0:09:31.045 --> 0:09:33.885 be in its usual position, and that she believed that 0:09:33.965 --> 0:09:37.365 someone other than Jason had dropped the car there. There 0:09:37.365 --> 0:09:40.005 were also a lot of bullets in the car and 0:09:40.085 --> 0:09:43.365 a box of ammunition, but Sarah said that wasn't unusual 0:09:43.365 --> 0:09:46.045 for Jason. He had a collection of guns, and like 0:09:46.085 --> 0:09:48.165 a lot of people in this area, he liked to 0:09:48.205 --> 0:09:51.325 go shooting, but police did not find any of his 0:09:51.405 --> 0:09:54.685 weapons there. The detective did find a lot of empty 0:09:54.765 --> 0:09:57.765 drink bottles in the car, including lippten iced tea in 0:09:57.805 --> 0:10:01.405 San Pellegrino. He swabbed each of the bottles and took 0:10:01.445 --> 0:10:06.005 samples from around the car. Police carefully packed the evidence. 0:10:06.405 --> 0:10:09.165 The detective noted the methods he used to maintain chain 0:10:09.205 --> 0:10:11.485 of custody, and I just want to say, I know 0:10:11.565 --> 0:10:14.765 we criticized law enforcement a lot here, and I always 0:10:14.765 --> 0:10:16.925 want to take a minute to acknowledge when a job 0:10:17.005 --> 0:10:19.485 is thoroughly done, and it was thoroughly done at that 0:10:19.565 --> 0:10:23.165 crime scene. Police also noticed that there was some damage 0:10:23.205 --> 0:10:25.165 to the trunk's lock. It looked like it might have 0:10:25.245 --> 0:10:28.885 been busted open. There were also some pawn slips in 0:10:28.885 --> 0:10:32.125 the vehicle. Now in the police report, it's noted Jason 0:10:32.165 --> 0:10:34.925 did pawn one of his weapons, but what about the 0:10:34.965 --> 0:10:38.485 rest of the guns. Did Jason pawn those guns himself 0:10:39.125 --> 0:10:42.045 or did someone else do it? And could that have 0:10:42.125 --> 0:10:45.405 been the same person who broke into the trunk. Police 0:10:45.405 --> 0:10:48.645 submitted a search warrant on February tenth to Verizon, Jason's 0:10:48.645 --> 0:10:52.565 cell phone carrier, and to Google to access Jason's Gmail account. 0:10:53.045 --> 0:10:57.165 They got the information back within a week. On February fifth, 0:10:57.285 --> 0:11:00.445 police came to Jason and Sarah's apartment in Faible they 0:11:00.445 --> 0:11:06.085 searched Jason's room, they took a DNA sample from his toothbrush. Now, 0:11:06.205 --> 0:11:09.045 during this time, Sarah was reaching out to Jason's friends, 0:11:09.045 --> 0:11:11.965 and some of them were being helpful, though later Sarah 0:11:11.965 --> 0:11:14.245 said she wasn't sure if they were trying to help 0:11:14.285 --> 0:11:17.965 her or trying to misdirect. One of these people was 0:11:18.045 --> 0:11:22.085 Don Don, Remember, was the friend who drove Jason to 0:11:22.165 --> 0:11:25.765 Miriam's house, and Don was around during crucial parts of 0:11:25.805 --> 0:11:30.085 the next few days. After Sarah started posting on social 0:11:30.125 --> 0:11:34.125 media about Jason's disappearance, Don sent Sarah a message on 0:11:34.165 --> 0:11:39.285 Facebook explaining that Jason's Harley Davidson night Train motorcycle was 0:11:39.565 --> 0:11:44.085 at his friend Randall and Rachel's house. These were the 0:11:44.165 --> 0:11:46.965 friends whom Jason had been staying with before he came 0:11:47.005 --> 0:11:51.245 to Miriam's on the twenty first. Jason's motorcycle keys, by 0:11:51.285 --> 0:11:53.765 the way, were never found, so that part of the 0:11:53.805 --> 0:11:57.005 timeline does gel with what Sarah said and with Miriam's 0:11:57.005 --> 0:12:00.565 description of what happened. Remember, she said Jason didn't want 0:12:00.565 --> 0:12:03.005 to take his motorcycle to her house and that he 0:12:03.045 --> 0:12:06.725 had left it parked at Randall's. It's just a guess, 0:12:06.805 --> 0:12:09.845 but I imagine the reason the motorcycle keys were never found 0:12:09.965 --> 0:12:13.125 is because they were with Jason, and those keys might 0:12:13.205 --> 0:12:17.165 be wherever Jason is. There's a podcast that a journalist 0:12:17.285 --> 0:12:20.645 named Nicole Castile made called Hell in the Highlands. She 0:12:20.765 --> 0:12:24.485 did a long interview with Miriam. Now, between that interview 0:12:24.525 --> 0:12:27.725 and the material that Miriam put on social media, Miriam 0:12:27.725 --> 0:12:30.405 has given a lot of details about what happened during 0:12:30.485 --> 0:12:33.205 the time when Jason was at her house. As we 0:12:33.285 --> 0:12:37.405 said before, at first, things seemed great, everyone was having fun, 0:12:38.125 --> 0:12:41.365 but on January twenty third, things started to get weird. 0:12:42.925 --> 0:12:46.285 On that day, Miriam said, Jason and Don left the 0:12:46.285 --> 0:12:51.085 house together. Miriam told multiple people that Jason's Duffel bag 0:12:51.285 --> 0:12:54.325 was with him when he left the house. She said 0:12:54.685 --> 0:12:57.365 he threw it in the back of Don's truck as 0:12:57.405 --> 0:13:01.205 he was leaving. According to Miriam, Jason said he would 0:13:01.205 --> 0:13:04.045 come back later to hang out with Miriam again. And 0:13:04.085 --> 0:13:06.405 as Miriam's telling this story, it's hard to figure out 0:13:06.485 --> 0:13:09.805 she only realized that in hindsight, or if that's something 0:13:09.845 --> 0:13:13.085 that was weighing on her mind, because it did seem 0:13:13.245 --> 0:13:16.325 like there was tension building in the days leading up 0:13:16.365 --> 0:13:21.645 to Jason's disappearance like something bad was gonna happen. Miriam 0:13:21.805 --> 0:13:26.205 said on that podcast that apparently Don and Jason at 0:13:26.205 --> 0:13:30.045 some point ran into Aarin on the dirt road, and 0:13:30.325 --> 0:13:33.165 Miriam said that Aaron stopped at her house for a 0:13:33.165 --> 0:13:37.885 few minutes. I've heard through multiple people, and this is 0:13:38.005 --> 0:13:40.365 just a rumor. I don't know if it's true, but 0:13:40.525 --> 0:13:43.365 that Aarin had had an on and off relationship with Miriam. 0:13:43.765 --> 0:13:46.205 And I only note that because I'm looking for any 0:13:46.245 --> 0:13:49.845 potential conflicts that could have happened. But a member of 0:13:49.885 --> 0:13:53.525 Aaron's family contacted me and said that Aarin was not 0:13:53.685 --> 0:13:57.205 at that property after January twenty first. But either way, 0:13:57.285 --> 0:14:01.405 there is no indication that Aarin saw Jason at all 0:14:01.605 --> 0:14:05.525 on the twenty third or any time after that. And 0:14:05.645 --> 0:14:08.885 bring this up because remember later Aaron's van was stolen, 0:14:09.485 --> 0:14:12.125 and when he called the police and they came to 0:14:12.165 --> 0:14:15.565 his house, Jason's clothes were on the porch. I'm just 0:14:15.605 --> 0:14:18.965 trying to understand exactly what chain of events led to that. 0:14:20.205 --> 0:14:23.605 Later that same day, on January twenty third, Jason and 0:14:23.685 --> 0:14:28.845 Don went to Don's property. During this time, Don supposedly 0:14:28.925 --> 0:14:33.245 took a shower. Miriam claims that she took a nap 0:14:33.285 --> 0:14:35.605 and woke up several hours later, and it was already dark. 0:14:36.085 --> 0:14:39.285 She was in the house by herself. She said that 0:14:39.405 --> 0:14:43.365 Don showed up and was hysterical now. She also said 0:14:43.565 --> 0:14:47.285 that at some point Don told Miriam that Jason had 0:14:47.325 --> 0:14:50.725 agreed to have some sort of a homosexual encounter with him. 0:14:51.325 --> 0:14:53.645 She said at the time she did not believe that, 0:14:54.285 --> 0:14:56.645 but when Don got back to the house without Jason, 0:14:57.045 --> 0:14:59.045 he said that he and Jason had been in his 0:14:59.085 --> 0:15:02.805 truck together and that Jason had randomly jumped out of 0:15:02.885 --> 0:15:06.685 the truck by a waterfall. While she's digesting this, a 0:15:06.725 --> 0:15:09.605 little while later, a friend of theirs named Reese had 0:15:09.645 --> 0:15:12.485 stopped by the house and they asked Rees to go 0:15:12.525 --> 0:15:16.165 out and get Jason. So Reese did that and he 0:15:16.285 --> 0:15:20.645 brought Jason back to Miriam's house. Miriam said she went 0:15:20.685 --> 0:15:23.805 out to Reese's vehicle and Jason was asleep in Reese's truck. 0:15:24.485 --> 0:15:27.605 When Jason came back to Miriam's house, he was acting 0:15:27.805 --> 0:15:32.685 very strangely, like something traumatic had happened. Whatever was going on, 0:15:33.005 --> 0:15:35.765 Don and Jason had clearly had some kind of issue 0:15:35.805 --> 0:15:38.405 out there, and there was tension. But over the course 0:15:38.405 --> 0:15:40.605 of the night. From what Miriam said, it seemed like 0:15:40.685 --> 0:15:43.645 things got somewhat back to normal. Everyone seemed to be 0:15:43.645 --> 0:15:47.365 getting along again. Miriam said she didn't want to pride. 0:15:47.445 --> 0:15:50.405 Jason was exhausted, and so everyone just went to bed. 0:15:51.525 --> 0:15:54.285 Miriam said something else. She said that after that morning, 0:15:54.285 --> 0:15:56.685 when Jason had thrown his Duffel bag in Don's truck, 0:15:57.325 --> 0:16:00.285 he had left his duffel bag at Don's. We'll come 0:16:00.325 --> 0:16:02.765 back to that bag and the rest of Jason's stuff 0:16:02.765 --> 0:16:05.325 in a little bit, but just remember that, because again 0:16:05.925 --> 0:16:08.885 we need to know where every piece of physical evidence is. 0:16:08.965 --> 0:16:12.605 That is key. According to Miriam, on January twenty third, 0:16:12.725 --> 0:16:15.685 that duffelbag went to Down's and she never saw it again. 0:16:16.725 --> 0:16:18.805 Now we come to the most crucial part of the 0:16:18.805 --> 0:16:27.005 timeline January twenty fourth, twenty twenty two. Sometime in the 0:16:27.045 --> 0:16:31.445 afternoon of January twenty fourth, Jason went outside. Miriam said 0:16:31.445 --> 0:16:34.325 he went to take a walk, but then she said 0:16:34.405 --> 0:16:37.445 Jason did not come back as it was getting dark. 0:16:37.885 --> 0:16:40.685 Miriam claimed that she called Jason and asked what he 0:16:40.725 --> 0:16:44.445 was doing, and he said that he was hunting. She 0:16:44.525 --> 0:16:46.365 asked him if he needed a ride. He said he 0:16:46.445 --> 0:16:49.725 did not need a ride. Yet another guy they knew, 0:16:49.765 --> 0:16:52.765 a guy named Shane who was friends with Miriam and Jason, 0:16:52.845 --> 0:16:56.565 came over. He was apparently doing some work at the property. Now, 0:16:56.605 --> 0:16:59.325 at this time, Jason still was not back, so at 0:16:59.365 --> 0:17:02.845 around eight thirty pm, they called Jason and asked again 0:17:02.965 --> 0:17:05.045 if he needed a ride, and this time he said yes, 0:17:05.885 --> 0:17:08.765 so Shane went out and picked him up. Shane was 0:17:08.805 --> 0:17:12.085 driving a champagne colored Pathfinder and he picked Jason up 0:17:12.125 --> 0:17:13.765 at the end of the dirt road and drove him 0:17:13.805 --> 0:17:17.685 back to Miriam's again. When Jason came back to Miriams, 0:17:17.685 --> 0:17:21.445 according to her, she said that night he asked to 0:17:21.525 --> 0:17:23.765 use the washing machine. He wanted to wash some clothes. 0:17:24.365 --> 0:17:27.085 But while he was washing clothes, apparently he was walking 0:17:27.125 --> 0:17:31.885 around naked in the yard and acting very confused. Miriam 0:17:31.965 --> 0:17:34.445 used the word schizophrenic. She said he looked like he 0:17:34.565 --> 0:17:38.165 was having some kind of a mental issue, and when 0:17:38.205 --> 0:17:41.245 Miriam started talking to Jason, she said that he had 0:17:41.245 --> 0:17:45.725 a strange story. Miriam claims Jason told her that the 0:17:45.765 --> 0:17:47.645 police were at the end of the dirt road, that 0:17:47.685 --> 0:17:50.325 they had put him in a barrel and rolled him 0:17:50.365 --> 0:17:54.645 down a hill. Miriam said that Jason's knuckles were bloody. 0:17:54.725 --> 0:17:59.405 It looked like something had happened out there. Now, excuse 0:17:59.485 --> 0:18:01.325 my language, but I just want to pause to say 0:18:01.365 --> 0:18:04.485 this is a fucked up story, and I do wonder 0:18:04.645 --> 0:18:06.845 why she didn't act ask him more questions at this point. 0:18:06.845 --> 0:18:09.485 But then I also remembered there were drugs being consumed, 0:18:09.765 --> 0:18:13.685 and it is possible for people to hallucinate and imagine 0:18:13.725 --> 0:18:17.245 things that aren't there and become paranoid. So I'm not 0:18:17.285 --> 0:18:20.765 sure exactly what went down, but from what Miriam said, 0:18:20.845 --> 0:18:24.485 it seemed like she thought maybe he was just hallucinating. 0:18:26.525 --> 0:18:30.005 Miriam said after Jason told her that strange story, she 0:18:30.125 --> 0:18:32.565 told him go downstairs and take a shower, get something 0:18:32.605 --> 0:18:35.405 to eat, and come upstairs. She said she went upstairs 0:18:35.485 --> 0:18:39.325 to bed. Jason went downstairs, according to her, and she 0:18:39.365 --> 0:18:42.565 said she heard the shower start running. She said that 0:18:42.765 --> 0:18:45.165 was the last time she knew for sure that she 0:18:45.165 --> 0:18:48.885 had seen Jason. Miriam said she went to sleep. Now again, 0:18:48.965 --> 0:18:52.245 the stories we've heard have been slightly different because she 0:18:52.405 --> 0:18:55.605 has stated that at some point the night before, Jason 0:18:55.645 --> 0:18:58.045 was lying on her bed wrapped in one of her blankets. 0:18:58.525 --> 0:19:02.365 That was a blanket that she apparently later identified on 0:19:02.445 --> 0:19:06.605 Aaron's porch, but either way in both versions of the story, 0:19:07.525 --> 0:19:10.285 Miriam said on the morning of January twenty fifth, she 0:19:10.325 --> 0:19:13.725 does not remember seeing Jason at all. Miriam said on 0:19:13.805 --> 0:19:17.165 that day, Dawn woke her up pretty abruptly. She needed 0:19:17.205 --> 0:19:19.165 to go to town to get some groceries. She ran 0:19:19.245 --> 0:19:22.605 downstairs and pretty much straight out the door. She and 0:19:22.725 --> 0:19:25.445 Charity did some errands. They were cashing checks at a 0:19:25.445 --> 0:19:29.045 convenience store called Shawna's Corner in Huntsville. By the way, 0:19:29.125 --> 0:19:31.645 it sounds like a lot of people were cashing checks 0:19:31.685 --> 0:19:35.045 at this place. So if anyone out there knows people 0:19:35.125 --> 0:19:38.205 from Shawna's Corner, I would really really love to talk 0:19:38.205 --> 0:19:41.045 to them because they could have checks in their possession 0:19:41.485 --> 0:19:43.765 that have dates on them, and those dates could become 0:19:43.845 --> 0:19:46.165 really crucial. I have no idea if the police have 0:19:46.205 --> 0:19:47.565 talked to them or not, but I would like to 0:19:47.605 --> 0:19:50.325 talk to them. Miriam said that on that day she 0:19:50.405 --> 0:19:53.645 and Charity also drove across the border to Missouri to 0:19:53.685 --> 0:19:57.205 meet a guy named Moses. They shot guns at Moses's 0:19:57.245 --> 0:20:00.525 house and basically waited for him to score them some drugs, 0:20:00.645 --> 0:20:04.525 some meth. Based on what she said, Miriam said after 0:20:04.565 --> 0:20:07.965 all that they got home after dark around nine pm. 0:20:08.485 --> 0:20:11.725 No one was in the house. Don and Jason were gone. 0:20:11.765 --> 0:20:14.325 She said Don had sent her text messages at around 0:20:14.325 --> 0:20:17.045 four pm and said that he and Jason had left 0:20:18.005 --> 0:20:21.165 at five point twenty. That afternoon, another message came in 0:20:21.205 --> 0:20:24.565 from Jason. This was the one with the picture of 0:20:25.045 --> 0:20:28.125 the bottom half of someone's legs wearing a pair of 0:20:28.205 --> 0:20:32.645 jeans and some brown suede boots. Miriam said the message 0:20:32.645 --> 0:20:34.245 didn't make a lot of sense to her, but she 0:20:34.325 --> 0:20:37.845 thought maybe Jason had sent the message from her property. 0:20:38.445 --> 0:20:41.045 She said she recognized the tree in the picture as 0:20:41.085 --> 0:20:43.805 a tree from her property, and she said that she 0:20:44.045 --> 0:20:47.045 checked on iPhone to figure out the day and time 0:20:47.285 --> 0:20:50.245 when the picture was taken. Based on what she saw, 0:20:50.365 --> 0:20:52.725 she said she figured out the picture was actually taken 0:20:52.765 --> 0:20:56.325 the day before. The way she explained this was that 0:20:56.485 --> 0:20:59.445 because she lives in this remote area, sometimes if you're 0:20:59.445 --> 0:21:02.965 in an area that's out of cell service, messages will 0:21:02.965 --> 0:21:05.125 come in out of order. I've looked at that picture 0:21:05.165 --> 0:21:07.805 several times, and I have to say I find it 0:21:07.965 --> 0:21:11.165 strange that she would recognize a tree in the middle 0:21:11.165 --> 0:21:14.125 of the woods. Then again, it is her property. I'd 0:21:14.205 --> 0:21:16.485 also really like to know how she verified that that 0:21:16.565 --> 0:21:18.525 text had been sent the day before. I would be 0:21:18.605 --> 0:21:22.925 very interested to see the digital evidence of that. I 0:21:23.005 --> 0:21:25.565 know it's possible for phones to pop in and out 0:21:25.565 --> 0:21:28.685 of service out there, but if that text message was 0:21:28.765 --> 0:21:32.205 sent for Miriam's property. I would also note that the 0:21:32.285 --> 0:21:35.645 messages that Jason sent to his sister Sarah from the 0:21:35.725 --> 0:21:38.045 time when he was at Miriam's on the twenty fourth, 0:21:38.645 --> 0:21:40.685 they all got to Sarah in order, and they were 0:21:40.725 --> 0:21:45.165 all blue. This wasn't the only cryptic picture that Miriam 0:21:45.245 --> 0:21:49.125 shared on social media. She also shared something else, a 0:21:49.165 --> 0:21:52.005 photo of a noose hanging from a tree at night, 0:21:52.685 --> 0:22:01.365 one that she said was found on her property. I 0:22:01.485 --> 0:22:03.445 just want to take a minute to talk about the 0:22:03.525 --> 0:22:07.085 noos because it tains to something else that has come 0:22:07.165 --> 0:22:10.565 up during this case. Odinism. Now, for those of you 0:22:10.605 --> 0:22:13.645 who may not be familiar with this, Odinism is a religion. 0:22:13.805 --> 0:22:17.085 It's an ancient Nordic religion and it's based on the 0:22:17.125 --> 0:22:20.765 worship of the pagan gods, including Thor and Odin. So 0:22:21.245 --> 0:22:23.445 people who follow this religion, and there are a lot 0:22:23.525 --> 0:22:26.925 of different branches, just like with anything else, but they 0:22:27.005 --> 0:22:32.285 typically do things like where pendance of Thor's hammer. Sometimes 0:22:32.285 --> 0:22:37.445 they go and read poetry and have rituals in the woods. 0:22:37.805 --> 0:22:42.325 Sometimes they sacrifice animals. In recent years, this religion has 0:22:42.365 --> 0:22:45.605 taken on another context because it's also been a religion 0:22:45.645 --> 0:22:48.805 that a lot of white supremacist groups, especially in prison, 0:22:48.885 --> 0:22:52.445 have taken up. Apparently they believe Christianity in that whole 0:22:52.445 --> 0:22:56.005 turn the other cheap mentality is too passive for today's world, 0:22:56.445 --> 0:23:01.605 so they chose to worship the old gods. From what 0:23:01.725 --> 0:23:05.125 Miriam said, one of the people staying at her house 0:23:05.765 --> 0:23:10.205 is an odonist, and she posted pages from what she 0:23:10.405 --> 0:23:13.725 said is this person's journal online, and in those pages 0:23:14.205 --> 0:23:16.925 it seems to indicate that on January twenty fourth, from 0:23:16.965 --> 0:23:19.925 around seven forty five pm to nine ish, this person 0:23:20.005 --> 0:23:22.765 was out in the woods doing his ceremony and then 0:23:22.885 --> 0:23:26.125 he went into his room. There's no indication that this 0:23:26.205 --> 0:23:29.525 person had any type of conflict with Jason. I'm only 0:23:29.565 --> 0:23:32.685 bringing it up because there was a noose found in 0:23:32.725 --> 0:23:34.845 the woods. So there have been a lot of rumors 0:23:34.885 --> 0:23:37.365 that Jason could have been sacrificed, or that it was 0:23:37.405 --> 0:23:39.645 some kind of satanic ritual, and I just want to 0:23:39.685 --> 0:23:44.445 say there's absolutely no evidence of any of that. There's also, 0:23:44.525 --> 0:23:47.645 by the way, no evidence that the person who is 0:23:48.245 --> 0:23:52.965