WEBVTT - Cassie Kelley

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<v Speaker 1>Carala. She's a queen of talking. He was she's on

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<v Speaker 1>the inside. She got the scoop on no one can

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<v Speaker 1>do with Carala, Carala, No one can do with Caral. Carol.

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<v Speaker 1>I have the amazing Cassie Kelly joining me today on

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of Get Real podcast. Cassie is so beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>inside and out. She has a heart of gold. She

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<v Speaker 1>is a fashionista. If you need help planning anything, go

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<v Speaker 1>to Cassie's page. She knows how to decorate for any

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<v Speaker 1>type of occasion and make it fabulous. Traveling, she knows

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<v Speaker 1>all the best places to go, everywhere to eat. She

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<v Speaker 1>is just fabulous. She's married to Charles Kelly of Lady

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<v Speaker 1>to Bellam. They met over ten years ago and there's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much love at first sight with them. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about their love story. We talked about being on the road,

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<v Speaker 1>how road life has changed ever since they had Warred,

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<v Speaker 1>their child, who's so precious. We talked about their journey

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<v Speaker 1>to having a kid. It wasn't just perfectly easy for them,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's an amazing miracle in their life, and we

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<v Speaker 1>talked all about that, how motherhood has changed everything in

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<v Speaker 1>the best way. We talked about her brand woman Issa

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<v Speaker 1>that she started as a blog on the road as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a road warrior wife and it turned into

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<v Speaker 1>a huge company that she's sold. She's an incredible business woman.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just so good at everything she does. She's a

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<v Speaker 1>great friend, she's such a supporter of women. She has

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<v Speaker 1>truly the sweetest, biggest heart of anyone you will ever meet.

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<v Speaker 1>And her story is amazing. So here's Cassie. Hello, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>Cassie Kelly, Caroline Hobby in your house in the Kelly House,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so beautiful. We were just talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>you love to decorate and design and your house is

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable because it makes you feel so peaceful and calm.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you have all these pops of like awesome color,

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<v Speaker 1>And how did you get your vision for how you

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<v Speaker 1>want to dick at your house? And what's your style? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this house, it's interesting because we did not intend on

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<v Speaker 1>moving into this house. Okay, what happened to tell So

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<v Speaker 1>we were living in our house which I we renovated

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<v Speaker 1>and completely redecorated as a fashion of yours. I love

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<v Speaker 1>it um and that was our in my mind, our

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<v Speaker 1>forever house. But you know the saying, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>want to make god laugh, make a plan. Um, And

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<v Speaker 1>then we bought this house to flip because again I

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<v Speaker 1>just like, when did you start flipping? Well, it wasn't this.

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<v Speaker 1>This actually was the first project that we did intentionally. Um, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>every other house that we've owned has not been on

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<v Speaker 1>the market and just sold, okay, So which is a

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<v Speaker 1>weird thing to say, but this was the first one

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<v Speaker 1>that we like intentionally bought to renovate and flip, and

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<v Speaker 1>we moved into it, renovated it and made it so awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So we didn't live it. Well. We ended up getting

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<v Speaker 1>an offer on our house that I thought was our

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<v Speaker 1>forever house just randomly, someone just drove by and saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a little more you know, in in it

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<v Speaker 1>than that, but basically, um, and it was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an offer that we couldn't really refuse. And so my

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<v Speaker 1>husband and I still didn't really want to move at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, but my husband was like, I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>have this other house that we're we can move into,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we ended up moving into this house, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>it just it's been I mean, I love it so

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<v Speaker 1>all of that. To answer your question, the design of it,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I picked everything, like I you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>loved everything that I picked, But I didn't do the

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<v Speaker 1>design in this house with the intention of me living here.

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<v Speaker 1>So did that make you do it differently than you

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<v Speaker 1>would have if you thought you would have lived here? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know. There's a couple of things that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in furnishings and stuff was all ours. But um,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as you know design picks, I don't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't do custom cabinetry in there in here, in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen, and I don't know. Maybe I would have

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<v Speaker 1>done that, but I love it, Like you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>only difference is um, which this is so nerd deal

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<v Speaker 1>are probably not interested. But um, you know, the island

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<v Speaker 1>height when you do custom cabinetry. In our old house,

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<v Speaker 1>we did them taller because Charles is so tall. So

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<v Speaker 1>like our island heights six six oh my god, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>six seven, I don't know. So in like the bathroom

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<v Speaker 1>counter height is was taller, um, and we didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>that in this house. Um. So it's just shorter. But

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<v Speaker 1>little things like that that you live with and then

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<v Speaker 1>they don't really matter. Oh my gosh, And are you

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<v Speaker 1>still doing an a frame house right now? So because

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's obsessed with a frame house. I am obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>a frame to move into one and live there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this one, it was on Center Hill Lake. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is such a sad story. It's the one that got away.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an hour outside of Nashville, like a getaway.

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<v Speaker 1>We were gonna probably renovate and flip that one too,

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<v Speaker 1>or just accidentally right like it happens around here. Um. So,

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<v Speaker 1>to make a very long story short about that one, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it was an elderly couple and they were selling this

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<v Speaker 1>has been their getaway house for a long time, and

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<v Speaker 1>their kids were kind of handling the sale. And um,

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<v Speaker 1>the mother, I think this was all relayed to me,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know for sure, had some um dementia issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And when the title company called to you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>were closing to um get all the information, she kind

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<v Speaker 1>of had a freak out. Ince at this house isn't

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<v Speaker 1>for sale. I don't know what you're talking about. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we just wasn't wasn't meant to be. And you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to trust those Oh my gosh. I told Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know, there's no more direct message than

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<v Speaker 1>the owner saying this house isn't for sale. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to buy this house, so we're not doing an

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<v Speaker 1>a frame. Are you pretty good at following signs or messages?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I try, you know, to pay attention,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. I mean, I'm enough in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with my spiritual self in my heart that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a clear message like that, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>I try to, you know, pay attention, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I also get caught up in life too. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a balance. Yeah, I feel like before we started this,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about surrendering and how important that is, and

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<v Speaker 1>I always think I have surrendered and I'm like, they're

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<v Speaker 1>in my spirituality, and then I'll just get hit with

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<v Speaker 1>something else and I'm like, oh gosh, I'm really I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't surrendered because I'm freaking out right now and desperately

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<v Speaker 1>under control of situations. Right, It's true. I mean, um,

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<v Speaker 1>my grandmother one of my favorite sayings that she taught

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<v Speaker 1>me was never get attached to anything that can be

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<v Speaker 1>bought or sold, and that is, you know, something to

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<v Speaker 1>completely remember in surrender. I mean, again, just our whole

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<v Speaker 1>house situation. You know, it's not like we didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>to move into an amazing house also, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that matter in life are nothing that you

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<v Speaker 1>can you know, hold tangibly other than people, so I know,

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<v Speaker 1>and even with people, you know, it's like this Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to you about it, like my dad almost died,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you've dealt with a lot of pain

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<v Speaker 1>in that way. And then it's like and then we

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<v Speaker 1>also last year, Michael and I are dealing with baby

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and trying to have a baby and miscarrie, and

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<v Speaker 1>we went through all of that and that Sorry, it's hard,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard, really hard, and I love I just talked

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<v Speaker 1>to an interview with Caroline Brian and she was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it and she had had a miscarriage and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like son. People have gone through infertility or struggling

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<v Speaker 1>with it. And that's another thing. How do you deal

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<v Speaker 1>with those bigger moments in life when it's like you

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<v Speaker 1>want something so badly it's not a object, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a life, right, but it's not happening, or something

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<v Speaker 1>you lose someone. How have you navigated those waters? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the hardest times in my life, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we talked about surrender, the key message for me,

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<v Speaker 1>which you asked if I pay attention to messages, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I do. Um, the key message for me is just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, trust we're walking through it, and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>feel growth, You're gonna feel better on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean every time that we've walked through something hard,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it was our infertility struggle before we had Ward,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, anything in our marriage or careers. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I have always just trusted in the Lord and and

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<v Speaker 1>you know my heart that us to stay the course.

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<v Speaker 1>And UM, you know, you never grow without change and hardship,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, sometimes God teaches us lessons through that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hardship. I'm trying to learn the lesson that

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<v Speaker 1>things aren't good or bad, that they're all for growth, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because like in my younger days, I would

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<v Speaker 1>be upset when things wouldn't go the way I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>them to go. And now I have learned through living

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<v Speaker 1>through many things that have not gone as planned or

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<v Speaker 1>really shook my world, that Okay, there is a big

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<v Speaker 1>growth here, and I would have never gotten it without

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<v Speaker 1>this experience. I think a lot of times for me

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, in my marriage, UM, Charles, he like

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of focuses hard on things that aren't right

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, can really kind of stew about things,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I've had to be the one that's like

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<v Speaker 1>roll with it a little more, um for better for worse.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I don't know if I've just been

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<v Speaker 1>like forced to have that mentality of nothing's like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's good or bad. It's just for growth, it is. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. We were talking a little bit earlier about

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<v Speaker 1>trying to conceive Ward and we were married for probably said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we were married for seven years, um almost we had him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean we probably started trying to have a

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<v Speaker 1>baby four years into our marriage, so it was for

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<v Speaker 1>three years. Yeah. I mean at the beginning it was

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<v Speaker 1>more just like let's give it a world, right, right. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>When didn't start getting serious for you, well, probably a

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<v Speaker 1>year before he was conceived, we were like, okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to probably go to see a specialist doctor. So

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<v Speaker 1>we went to Nashville Infertility or Nashville Fertility it's called

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<v Speaker 1>it's not infertility, um right, and uh, you know, went

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<v Speaker 1>through a lot of testing and started to um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after all of tests and results and everything. Our doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>dr Abby Evelyn is who who we saw, and she's amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>but she said we had a one percent chance of

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<v Speaker 1>conceiving a baby without IVF. Wow, so how do you

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<v Speaker 1>take that? New? So that was hard, That is very hard, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, so that was I guess in April

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand fifteen, and um, Charles had a big,

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<v Speaker 1>busy summer tour coming up. Um what tour was it?

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<v Speaker 1>It was the It was with Sam Hunt and Hunter Hayes.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the title of it. I'm the Worst

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of tours. Um, it was a great one.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. But so they were about to just

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<v Speaker 1>get really busy touring and I had, um a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of work stuff, um coming up. I had was just

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<v Speaker 1>about to partner with a bit in Nashville to take

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<v Speaker 1>womany stuff from my blog to a media site. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was just it was a busy talk about woman.

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<v Speaker 1>How you launched that? Well, okay, because you're like on

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<v Speaker 1>the forefront of blogging. Well that it was fun, yes, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So it was just it was a really busy season

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<v Speaker 1>for us, and so we thought, okay, we'll just take

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<v Speaker 1>the summer off and then do IVF in the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>And I ended up getting pregnant in May. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think it's because you weren't stressing about it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean people when they do I V or I

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<v Speaker 1>B I v F I v F. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do IVF for anything, I know. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>my Philippian tubes was blocked, and of course the ovary

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side was the week ovary, so of course,

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<v Speaker 1>naturally obviously um so he was a little he made

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<v Speaker 1>it through the blocked Philippian tubes. He either went through

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<v Speaker 1>the blocked one or he was a really weak egg.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a little one percent miracle baby. So truly,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I felt like, um, after going through that,

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<v Speaker 1>the creation of life is not in our hands. Did

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<v Speaker 1>that really rock your world? Like having that all happen here,

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<v Speaker 1>Like trying for three years, hearing you have one per

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<v Speaker 1>cent you're probably gonna have to do and v true

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<v Speaker 1>and then miraculously getting pregnant, Like what does that do

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<v Speaker 1>to your brain? And I guess your faith? It's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. The thing about going walking through that, um

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<v Speaker 1>fertility struggle for us and having to have a ward

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<v Speaker 1>is life was so good otherwise, so it was hard

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<v Speaker 1>for me to try to, you know, feel sorry for myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that you feel sorry for yourself if you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be a sad season though, and it can

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<v Speaker 1>be a very isolating season. It is, especially if all

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<v Speaker 1>your friends are having kids and and of course you're

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<v Speaker 1>so happy for him, but you're like, oh, when is

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<v Speaker 1>it going to be me? And I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a in I guess just my faith and you know,

0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the Lord, by the grace of God just sort of

0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.960
<v Speaker 1>walked me through that because I, um never felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I was missing anything. How amazing is that? And I

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<v Speaker 1>can't I don't like attribute that to my own thought whatever.

0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that was just the way that I was

0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.280
<v Speaker 1>carried through that season. You had faith that you were

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<v Speaker 1>on your right. I just knew we would be parents somehow. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whether that ended up being doing IVF and

0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.640
<v Speaker 1>getting pregnant that way or adoption. I just I knew

0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that we would be parents somehow. And you know, gratefully

0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.720
<v Speaker 1>we didn't have to work that hard. Um. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know he was He's just a little miracle, perfect baby,

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<v Speaker 1>and he came in the right time for himself, so

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<v Speaker 1>and for us. Um. You know, we were married long

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<v Speaker 1>enough to really be able to do a lot together. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Through Charles's career that we maybe wouldn't have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to do had we had a child at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and which Scott to be together, and that was such

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<v Speaker 1>a gift in hindsight, that is such an incredible gift

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<v Speaker 1>to get to just navigate the craziness of the music

0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.640
<v Speaker 1>business life in your first couple of years of marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>especial when you're so young and you're doing all of

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<v Speaker 1>it for the first time together. I have really learned

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<v Speaker 1>to appreciate that with Michael, Like so we started dating

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<v Speaker 1>when he was twenty one and I was twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>and like this whole journey, the good, the bad, all

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<v Speaker 1>of it, we've been able to experience it together. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel so thankful for that foundation and all

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<v Speaker 1>of these first things that we've done because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>so wild, right. And I remember when you and Charles

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<v Speaker 1>started dating, he was I was twenty three and he

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<v Speaker 1>was twenty. It was in January two thousand seven, so

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<v Speaker 1>I was I guess almost, and I was born in

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<v Speaker 1>eighty three, so I was almost twenty four. I was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, and then he was I know he was

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<v Speaker 1>twenties five or twenty six, and you he was working

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<v Speaker 1>with Victoria Shaw as like writing a polisher and up.

0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.840
<v Speaker 1>And so when you all started dating, I remember thinking like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, this is so crazy and cool because

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<v Speaker 1>I followed y'all's journey and I had I had never

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<v Speaker 1>really been in the music business. I was so green.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you were so young, so young, and just

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<v Speaker 1>seeing y'all's evolution, I feel honestly like one of those

0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.920
<v Speaker 1>weird grandparents or something. He's like, it's watching y'all because

0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.560
<v Speaker 1>y'all have always been such an example to me of

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<v Speaker 1>a great couple. And I've always just thought y'all were

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<v Speaker 1>so awesome and you're always been so beautiful, and just

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<v Speaker 1>to see y'all grow and evolve and all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you've gone through his career, your career starting Womanisa, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how is all that just starting from meeting this person?

0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.760
<v Speaker 1>They're just getting going and you're in a whirl one.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Nashville, so and my mom was

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<v Speaker 1>in the music business. Um, she's a great stylist. She

0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.479
<v Speaker 1>was a wardrobe stylist. Did you do Martina and everybody?

0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.280
<v Speaker 1>She's like. She was a single mom, you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years and basically just took every job

0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that could put food on our table. So she's styled everyone,

0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and she's got incredible style, which has obviously been passed

0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.840
<v Speaker 1>on to you. Yeah, she's amazing. She has three boutiques

0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.679
<v Speaker 1>in Nashville now, but they're called Hero. She has Haven,

0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.520
<v Speaker 1>which is in frank the first one that she had,

0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.359
<v Speaker 1>and then she opened Hero which is in twelfth South,

0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.199
<v Speaker 1>And now she has Parish, which is in Parish. Is

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<v Speaker 1>your mom stop it. I don't even go in that

0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.600
<v Speaker 1>store because I'm like, I cannot fall in love with

0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.560
<v Speaker 1>anything in there, you know, higher price point, but it's amazing.

0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.320
<v Speaker 1>It's so impeccably merchandized, and she's so talented. When I

0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.199
<v Speaker 1>was in a band with Taylor Len, We're in a

0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.240
<v Speaker 1>band called Steeling Angel, and Taylor would shop at Haven

0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.840
<v Speaker 1>all the time, like she lived in there constantly. My

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<v Speaker 1>mom loves Taylor so much. She is a nut job

0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.320
<v Speaker 1>and I love her. She's the best, the best. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>like her, right, no, one of the kind. Um, But

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<v Speaker 1>you grew up here, So I grew up here in music,

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<v Speaker 1>right and or just you know, via my parents. My mom,

0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you think that you would date an artist. No, So

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<v Speaker 1>when I met Charles and he was like yeah, you know,

0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:05.520
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to do the music thing. Um we met.

0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.479
<v Speaker 1>I had. I moved to New York after college, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I got a job back in Nashville, and I

0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really personally ready to move back to Nashville,

0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.840
<v Speaker 1>but it was a great job opportunity, and I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll move back for a couple of years, saved some money,

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<v Speaker 1>and then moved back up to New York. And I

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<v Speaker 1>met Charles a month after I moved back here. You're like, well,

0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm not moving that I'm not moving? Was

0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it kind of love at first? It was? It was

0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:34.800
<v Speaker 1>truly like magnetic instant. Like we were going to um

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<v Speaker 1>a group dinner at what's the place above South Street,

0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:42.040
<v Speaker 1>like the tree House. Is it called South Street? Well,

0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it has a different name, but it's it's

0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.320
<v Speaker 1>like the second story of South Street. Um, for those

0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.760
<v Speaker 1>of you who don't know Nashville restaurants, it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the old O G O G s um last man

0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.560
<v Speaker 1>standing in that area that was been there. But anyway,

0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.479
<v Speaker 1>we were at a group dinner and um he arrived

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<v Speaker 1>late and he like walked in and our eyes just

0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:10.119
<v Speaker 1>locked and it was like that magic, truly instant love

0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.200
<v Speaker 1>at first sight. I had only been back here a month,

0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:17.320
<v Speaker 1>and um, I was living with my parents, and uh,

0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I told my mom the next morning, I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I met the guy I'm in to. Mary, Are

0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.720
<v Speaker 1>you kidding? Crazy? Years old? You just felt so different,

0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.320
<v Speaker 1>it was so different. And then we just h was

0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.960
<v Speaker 1>an instant dating right away, instant dating. So we ended

0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.800
<v Speaker 1>up staying up talking, like truly just talking until about

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<v Speaker 1>five that morning, and so our first date and then

0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I you know, stumbled on home and then our first

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Nate wasn't that night because we've been up till five

0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.280
<v Speaker 1>in the morning, but it was the very next night,

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<v Speaker 1>and that oh my gosh. Yeah. What's the secret to

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<v Speaker 1>marriage in the music music industry? Right? I'll going on

0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.600
<v Speaker 1>ten years and we ten years in July, So ten

0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 1>years married in the music industry starting off as babies.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you navigate this and do it well? Well?

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If we do it well, I'll do

0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.600
<v Speaker 1>it well. Um. I read a do you know Beth

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.919
<v Speaker 1>Moore because she's like this amazing she's an author and

0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.280
<v Speaker 1>she's she's a Christian author, and um, I read a

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<v Speaker 1>quote that she said one time because She's very vocal

0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:18.960
<v Speaker 1>about she and her husband have been married for forty years,

0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:23.919
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, it's been of the time good. But

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.840
<v Speaker 1>she jokes about how her marriage has not been all

0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.359
<v Speaker 1>roses and neither has ours for sure. Um, but she

0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.520
<v Speaker 1>said one time, she said, sometimes the secret to a

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.719
<v Speaker 1>long marriage is just waking up and say, I'll give

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<v Speaker 1>it one more day. I love that. It's like just

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<v Speaker 1>every morning, you say, even in the hard, hard times

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.520
<v Speaker 1>where you just want to be so much easier to

0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 1>not hang on, I'm just gonna give it one more day.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. So and then one more day turns

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<v Speaker 1>into a week, turns into one day at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>like anything, and then you're through it. You're through that

0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 1>patch and into something else. That's one thing I've learned.

0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I've been with Michael. Now we've been together ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a two year break. We did a tumultuous start,

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<v Speaker 1>like our first four years. We were so young. He

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 1>was Puma, you know, a little older. But we're still

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:16.320
<v Speaker 1>such a hottie, such a hottie mess. Hot mess is

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<v Speaker 1>more like it insane. In my twenties, oh gosh, thank god,

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm through my twenties. But I have one thing I

0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:27.920
<v Speaker 1>have realized is the good, the bad, all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's like if you stay and if you stick

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<v Speaker 1>it out, and if you realize that things will not

0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.840
<v Speaker 1>always be the mountaintop and not always be the valley,

0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.040
<v Speaker 1>but if you just stay and love that person through everything,

0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you get through it. And now looking back, I look

0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.520
<v Speaker 1>at our ten years of everything and like the hard

0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:48.119
<v Speaker 1>parts make me emotional in a good way. So I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, like I even get tear you, and

0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 1>like we've made it through some really hard parts, you know,

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.639
<v Speaker 1>and we got stronger because of it. And then you

0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.720
<v Speaker 1>have this strength in your marriage that you could have

0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.280
<v Speaker 1>never gotten if you hadn't just stayed with it. Well,

0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and it's our history. I mean, it's it's our history.

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.560
<v Speaker 1>And now we have a child together that you know,

0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>we're going to be connected no matter what for the

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.639
<v Speaker 1>rest of our lives. So you might as well make

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:15.280
<v Speaker 1>it work with each other, I mean, rather than introduce

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.600
<v Speaker 1>other people into it just to make it more complicated. Um.

0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.159
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I think that that's that's the lesson.

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Like we've we haven't been perfect to each other. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>We've just never given up. And that is you know,

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.600
<v Speaker 1>a gift that we get to have now in having

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:38.080
<v Speaker 1>an almost in your marriage and hopefully you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>as many more years as we're on this planet marriage,

0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 1>what makes you I'll reconnect, Like if you all want

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to have a moment where you're getting back to you guys,

0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.640
<v Speaker 1>what do y'all like to do? We like to sit

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<v Speaker 1>out just on the patio and listen to music and

0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.399
<v Speaker 1>have a glass of wine and um, just talk. You know,

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.840
<v Speaker 1>we'll get We'll go through seasons. Um. You know again,

0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 1>we have a toddler, and it's can be stressful. We

0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.159
<v Speaker 1>travel a lot um because the whole fan goes on

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the road. Yes, get haven't slept in one hundred years?

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 1>In case you can't tell, that really does go away?

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>The sleeping yes like audios, yes forever. When does it

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 1>come back? Uh? Well, I think once your kids are

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.320
<v Speaker 1>teenagers would have been told teenagers. When your kids are

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>teenagers and sleeping, then like you are, you just started

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>season to not sleep. That was that was such a

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.679
<v Speaker 1>struggle for us because we were both such sleepers before ward.

0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I remember thinking like if I had to do something

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 1>before ten thirty am, like that was early not happening.

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 1>It's happening now, oh now ten thirties like lunch. I

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:48.159
<v Speaker 1>mean truly, it's just you just get used to it,

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:50.119
<v Speaker 1>or you don't get used to it, you just do it.

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.639
<v Speaker 1>So what's road life like now? What was it before?

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Like in the early days? What was road life like

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.159
<v Speaker 1>with Lady A? And now what is it like with

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Lady A and all the families? Because every s a

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.720
<v Speaker 1>one of the members has baby. Yes I have three,

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 1>which is just she got that double whammy, those twins.

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 1>But I know, I like don't know how she does

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 1>everything with such grace that she does. She's such an

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.439
<v Speaker 1>amazing mom. And she toured pregnant with twins too, right,

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, she so well. The twins were born

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>in January. So the last tour, I mean they had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of like one off shows, but it was

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Europe in October. She was pregnant with twins in Europe

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<v Speaker 1>in October. Dang, I know, wow, yeah, she's done. And

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>then with Osle she toured up until Osley was born.

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Um she was born on Prince William's birthday, I think

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:49.200
<v Speaker 1>or not. Prince William, Prince George, the oldest little kids,

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the little buddy. Um so Asley was born end of July,

0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 1>and she toured up until the beginning of July with Aslie.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, gosh Renaissance woman, but life on

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<v Speaker 1>the road. I mean again. When Charles and I started dating,

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>they weren't assigned banned, so they were in his jeep

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Cherokee like drive into Chicago to play Joe's Bar opening

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:20.439
<v Speaker 1>up for she Daisy and Phil Vasster. He opened up

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 1>for Phil Vaster on my birthday in Chicago. I remember,

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 1>I love Philaster. I saw Lululemon the other day. I

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, I love you. Just another

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 1>day in paradise. Yeah, every day, um right, and then

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 1>uh they got signed and I remember, um, like one

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>of Charles and I first big fights was they were

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 1>opening up for the Doobie Brothers in Ohio, which was

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:47.160
<v Speaker 1>like a big thing. This is a big one. Yeah.

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:51.240
<v Speaker 1>They had a Winnebago okay, which was like huge sleep

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>in it a sleeping thing. Yeah, there was like a

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>bed in the you know. Um. And he asked I

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 1>was going to go. We've been dating for probably like

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>five months, and he asked if I would sell merch

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, uh no, we need the help.

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I know, which in hindsight that was so rude of me.

0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 1>But I was like, I, this is not mixed, Like

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I okay, So you drew boundaries from the beginning, which

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>again maybe I shouldn't have. I should have sold the

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 1>freaking T shirts. He was like, well, we don't have

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>room for you if you're not going to do something

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to help you have a job, which is true. Um,

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that was a big fight that we had.

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't sell merch. Did you end up going or

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 1>not going? No? I didn't go. Oh wow, okay, he

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>drew boundaries to everybody has their their undred um. So

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 1>then they you know, we're in their Winnebago. And they

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>took that Winnebago also to open up for Carrie Underwood

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and Doe b that's a big deal. Yeah, they had

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.159
<v Speaker 1>some good They signed with CIA before they signed with anyone,

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>so they got some good shows for everyone listening to

0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:00.200
<v Speaker 1>booking company. Yes they book all the shows, yes of

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>artist agency. Um. And then they got signed and they

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:09.239
<v Speaker 1>went on radio tour um that fall, and um, I

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>mean played every kind of show, like on a pontoon

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 1>boat in Texas and at a gas station. The opening

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of Deer season in Wisconsin. That's the thing with the

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.680
<v Speaker 1>radio tour. It's not glamorous, No, it is grinding. And

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you played the craziest shows because radio stations have all

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>sorts of events that they put on for their listeners

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and they need artists. Yes, and when you are new

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 1>and that's say, you got to get in there. The

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>opening of Deer season, when Maybe takes the cake for

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>them at a gas station, they were like standing singing

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Acapello by the cashier while everyone's like getting there sausage

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:49.439
<v Speaker 1>biscuit after going out that morning. Is that recorded? I

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>think they have footage of it, which is amazing. Um,

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 1>and then their album came out that following April, and um,

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>you know things things really went fast went fast for

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>them and we ended up actually breaking up. That may

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.719
<v Speaker 1>how long have you been together? I guess we've been together,

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>um for like a year and a half. I feel

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes a break is a good thing. It was huge,

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it was amazing. I mean he and he was so busy,

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>So we were broken up for pretty much that whole

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>summer two thousand eight. Kind of lets you like see

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>do I really want to do this with this person

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>or not? Because when you get to that point, especially

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>with this lifestyle, you gotta you gotta really know. Yeah,

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>and I think for him too, he was like, I

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:35.199
<v Speaker 1>just have so much to focus on and so much

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>on my plate, Like, can I mentally also have a

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>relationship totally because we all know men can't multitask. That

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>is very true. Um, but it was great, and I

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>uh dated other people, and how was it? Was it

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>weird or I mean it was My heart honestly was

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 1>always with Charles. UM, but I met a lot of

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>nice people. Yeah, hey, it's a good try. It was fun,

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>right and um then he was basically gone that whole

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 1>summer anyway, So even had we been together, like I

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have seen him. And he was on the road

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>so much. And then he um called me one day

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>like early August and said, you know, I'm coming back

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 1>from the road and I just want to talk about,

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe next steps for us. And I was

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 1>thinking like just getting back together, and he was talking

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>about getting engaged. He was like ready. So his summer

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>of uh solo nous made him really, I'm ready to

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>do this. Yeah. He got to see what else was

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>out there and realized he didn't want any of that. Yeah,

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that's really awesome. It was good. It was It was

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>good for us because then he came back to our

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>relationship knowing ready. Some people are so afraid of a break,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and like for me and Michael, we had a two

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>year break. We would not be happily married if we

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>had not broken up, just because I don't know, we

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>had things we just sort out and we just couldn't

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>do it as a couple at that point. Yeah, so

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>we all got engaged right away. We got engaged, so

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that was in August, and we got engaged um that

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Christmas Day, and then got married the following July. Oh

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, did you all get married at thirty eight? No,

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 1>we got married in Bahamas, you guys. But we got

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>married on Harbor Island because y'all beach people. Yes, we're

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>beach people for sure. Okay, you love thirty A, y'all,

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 1>that's your second little getaway. We love it so much.

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>That was our first like a trip together, was thirty A.

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>And Charles had grown up going to beaches on the

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>East Coast and he'd never seen white sand like that.

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we love it. Something about the beach. I

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>feel just so peaceful y'all just got back from the Bahamas.

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>So is it a regular thing that you'll do go

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>to the Bahamas? I mean, I love it so much. Um,

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>this was and it ward. This was his third trip

0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to the Bahamas, which is hilarious. And I love that

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>he's saying Bahamas everything he's got. He's got such a

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>charmed life. It's it's amazing. He's so charming, he's a sweet,

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 1>so cute, he's really just his heart is in the

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>right place. I hope it stays like that forever. It will. Um. Yeah,

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>we just got back from Mohamas. It's about to get

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>busy for um Charles, and so we just had one

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>more family getaway. Y'all be going on the road again

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this year. We are we he starts his he has

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>a Vegas residency. Oh heck yeah yeah. So there, Um

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.280
<v Speaker 1>there's five shows and people are asking me like, are

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>you moving to Vegas for the year. And it's not

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>like a Britney Spears residency. It's um, is it five

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>shows total? No, it's fifteen shows total. But there's five

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 1>shows in February, five shows in May, and then five

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>shows in August. That's gonna be awesome. Yeah, so our

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>first jaunt is out to Vegas in February. We are

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>just kind of post up at a hotel. We rented

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>a house. Yeah, we're gonna have Ward with us. Um,

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>and you just like need a kitchen and a washer

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and dryer and not to be in a casino, which

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>is a good thing that we learned this. Or we

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>went ahead and rented a house because in the Bahamas

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>we were staying at a place called Bahamar that has

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>a casino, and we went to dinner one night with

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>him at a restaurant that was off the casino floor,

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>and he Ward was so furious that he couldn't play

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>all of the games. He was like, yeah, I mean

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>he thought they were kids games. Why can't I touch

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>any of these machines? Oh my gosh. Good to So anyway,

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.959
<v Speaker 1>had we decided to stay at the Palms where their

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>residency is and had to like be in the casino

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>every day with a crazy little toddler, I don't think

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that would have worked. Vegas is so pretty. The Strip

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>is wild, but outside of Vegas it is so pretty. Yeah,

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>we left a hike and um, so I think there's

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>some really good hikes around there, and I'm excited. Okay,

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>so you actually never told me. So how has read

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 1>life changed with the babies? Yes, I got off on

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 1>the tangents. I mean I definitely don't watch every show anymore. Yeah,

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 1>that's a thing like watching every show in the beginning.

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, every show. Um. But now um, and thankfully

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>we have an absolutely amazing nanny and um she comes

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>with us, and so if I do want to go

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>out and watch a show, I can. I don't have

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to leave my kids so along the bus probably the

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 1>baby monitor stretches right, but you know, he goes to

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>bed before they go on stage. So if I do

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>want to watch the show, and he's an early riser,

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>the timing of a show, you know, if they don't

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 1>get off stage till eleven o'clock and then you kind

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of unwind and you don't end up going to bed

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>until at the earliest midnight, and then your child wakes

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 1>up at six am. It's not the most conducive schedule.

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>So um, our nannie will wake up with him. Um

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>some and then if I have to get up with him,

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times I just won't watch the show.

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 1>But now it's filled with I mean, you're up early

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 1>you're not sleeping till noon anymore. And we try to

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:12.760
<v Speaker 1>find fun activities for him to do in the cities

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>that we're in and just so he's not on the bus.

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>But he likes the camaraderie of just running around with

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the other kids when they're out there. He's worship sizely.

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>He does. She the Queen Asley is the queen. She

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 1>she's five, she'll be six in July. Um, and she

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 1>he like gets on her nerves sometimes she's like, I

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>just need some space. Word did she say that? Oh

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, that's so cute. But he just adores her

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 1>and wants to do whatever she's doing. So cute. Um.

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.760
<v Speaker 1>And then he plays so sweet with Cash, who's Dave's

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 1>oldest son, and he is four, so he'll be five

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>in Charles Ward will be three in February, and then

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Cash will be five and staid Org is to hang

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>all the big kids. He does. And then Lily Haywood

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>just turned one, and then the twins are about to

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.360
<v Speaker 1>turn one at the end of this month. My god,

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 1>he's right in the middle. How fun. So just kids own,

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>it's kid's own. Dave is like super dad and he

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>when his kids are out. He always plans for a

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>fun backstage activity. We'll have a bounce house, We'll have

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>an ice cream truck come stop. He always has a

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Disneyland dad mentality, and it's like, what can we do

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:32.439
<v Speaker 1>for the kids? That's awesome? I know. He always brings

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>really good toys Cash, and we have like one toy

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 1>for awards, and Cash has like a slew of amazing

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>toys back there. So Ward's super happy when Cash is up,

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 1>I know, because Dave always has something fun planned. So

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it is. It's just it's not hanging out and drinking

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 1>after the show anymore. So it's probably nice to transition.

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm almost thirty six years old. Like the

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>hangovers get bad, right, I can't really have a hangover

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>anymore and me out for the rest of the day.

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>And if you have to get up with a toddler

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>with a hangover, like pure torture. Yeah, not worth it

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>on a moving bus. It has to be worth it

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 1>for me to like really go hard. And I say,

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, I'm gonna like embrace the party. I'm gonna

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>go hard. I still even when I try, I get

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>a point, I'm like, I just have to go to bed.

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Nothing's fun enough for me? Is that bad? No, I'm

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 1>the same way. I'm like, I don't get fomo. I

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>used to think I wanted to do everything, and now

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my gosh, when I get tired, it's

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 1>over for me. Like the thought of staying up past

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>one am really eleven pm. But if we want to

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>get into party zone one am, I don't think I

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>can physically do it. Michael, he could stay up forever

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>if there's people around that he likes to hang out

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 1>with and something fun to do. I mean, he could

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 1>say untill the sun comes up, and he wouldn't care

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>if you told me how to wake up two hours

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.720
<v Speaker 1>later to be like fines great, That to me would

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>wreck my week. Yeah, I'm the same way. And you

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 1>know it goes from club and on a Friday night

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>to date line on a Friday night and that is

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 1>like the best time ever. So I don't know, We're

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>just we've grown up. So tell me how you started.

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>A woman used to back in the day because you

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 1>were one of the very first bloggers, and this was

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a huge deal because you're blogging road life, you're blogging

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>just all things fashion, fabulous, travel. So I um, really

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>just needed a creative outlet to do while on the

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>road or that I could do from anywhere. And um,

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:31.720
<v Speaker 1>so blogging fit that niche and blogging was just getting

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>going to well maybe in Nashville, but people like had blogs.

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Um I uh, I went to a blogger conference. So

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>I started Woman used to uh in like all the

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:51.760
<v Speaker 1>back leg work of it in February two thousand twelve. Um,

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and then I my first post went live on my

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 1>word press site. So it was like, you know, word

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 1>pressed woman to dot com or whatever it was in

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>uh March and then a woman easta dot com. Like

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I did a site design which at the time felt

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 1>really legit. That launch, um, and that was such a

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 1>great name. Thank you. I loved that name. I still

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>love that name. Such a great name. UM. So you

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>know it has an air of feminism but doesn't feel preachy.

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 1>It feels like all encompassing totally. So anyway, I was

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>very happy with that. So how did what was it

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>like having woman soa What did you do to keep

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>it running? Um? Well, in the beginning, I mean it

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>was just I wasn't doing it with the intent of

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>make growing some giant brand. It was more just like

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>a creative outlet for me and if I had I remember,

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, the first week I had like fifty people

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 1>click on a post, was like I have made it. There,

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>people have watched this or read this or whatever it was. Um.

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>So that gave me a lot of pride and you know,

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>again just being able to create something with no um,

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 1>worry about any sort of production of it. What were

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>your favorite topics? Um, I did a lot of travel.

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I did fashion, I did beauty, I did food. Um,

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 1>we were obviously traveling so much. You know. I think

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the first week I did UM, we were in Calgary

0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and I did like we went to dinner and I

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>was like taking pictures on my iPhone at like the

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>quality of the production of it was terrible looking back,

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, hey, what you're doing it? Yeah, it was

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>just fun for me to do. UM. And so I

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 1>started doing that and then just toned in on it

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.399
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more and my photo quality got better.

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 1>I had a professional photographer taking pictures, and UM, you

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 1>know started planning, like not just so what am I

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 1>doing this week? It was like making a plan for content.

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 1>When did you realize it was a business? Um? Well,

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, it got to be a business for me,

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 1>like a viable business where you know it adds right part?

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>What is it? Like? What do you have when it's

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a business as a blog like ads sponsors? So yes,

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 1>all of that. Um, but that didn't really happen for

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 1>me until I partnered with a company here in Nashville

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 1>to relaunch it as a media site. So is that

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>like a like an all encompassing website. Yes, so there's

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 1>more than just a blog that it was more than

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.440
<v Speaker 1>just like my perspective on something. It was truly like

0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>a when you read Pop Sugar or Refinery twenty nine,

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you know those are media sites. Um, so that's a

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>big deal. Yeah. And the the irony of it was

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the week that I signed the paperwork to partner with

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 1>this company to you know, relaunch as the media site

0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>was the week I got pregnant. God. So and that

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>sign wasn't lost on me either of like, wow, what

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a transition, what a new chapter. How amazing is that?

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I know? So uh yeah, that just became incredible. I

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:22.320
<v Speaker 1>learned so much and what it takes to run media site,

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>you know that to make something a viable business. Um,

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sort of on the content creation side,

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and I am a dreamer, and you know that doesn't

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.319
<v Speaker 1>always keep the lights on. I mean, you really like

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the amount of back in technical the way something appears

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 1>in a Google search, Oh my gosh, all that stuff

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>that it knows about that stuff. Not me, I mean

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 1>the whole other team that is much smarter than me.

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>But you know, and just for instance, say you're doing

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>a content calendar for no member, Google actually um categorizes

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>what the top searches are for for each day, so

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>like pumpkin pie might be the top search at nine

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 1>am on November nine, and so we would try to

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>do our content calendar based on those key searches. I

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 1>mean that wasn't always the case. But you can just

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>dive into the tech side and even if you're the

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>content isn't great. I mean I thought our content was

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 1>was good. But even if it's not great content, just

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:38.320
<v Speaker 1>the traffic that you'll get based on those tech decisions alone,

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. So people can just track all that

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's crazy, it's crazy. Yeah. Well, I know, my

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>iPhone listens to me right again. If I'll like talk

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>about something, it pops up. So I mean it doesn't

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>shock me that you can track literally anything that's trending, right,

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I learned a lot and then, you know,

0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:00.399
<v Speaker 1>the gift of it was then I had my son

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the following February, and I mean, as all new moms

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 1>can attest, like trying to do anything when you have

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a newborn, it's impossible. It's divine timing that it had partnered,

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that had gotten this new wasn't just up to me

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.399
<v Speaker 1>that it was running on its own. You can now

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.799
<v Speaker 1>do what you love, which is adding blogs content, but

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to keep the whole thing going. But

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I really had such a um guilt that went along

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 1>with like letting go of some of those pieces because

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 1>I felt like it was in the first year of

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:42.320
<v Speaker 1>its um you know, birth essentially in this new form,

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 1>and that after you know, I had ward, I just

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have any I couldn't give it what I

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>wanted to, and so I had a lot of guilt

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 1>about that. It just felt like, you know, because it

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>was a startup um and we had it was completely

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>incapable hands, like they didn't need me for anything. But

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>but I was you maybe your little dream that has

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>now grown into this big flower. Right, So my own

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>personal I went through like a really a period of

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of which was probably also a postpartum depression.

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 1>At least you had somewhere to put it right right.

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Um So, I you know, we did that and we

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>grew it and then um my partner also had a

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>company called comic book dot Com and we ended up

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 1>repackaging Woman Needs To and Comic Book as pop culture

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>dot com oh wow, called pop culture dot com cop

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 1>pop culture dot Com. And we sold it to CBS

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 1>last April. Well, okay, so hello media mogul. Well I

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.799
<v Speaker 1>mean that what a big deal? Yeah, it's it was

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 1>of csh my god, like legit, I know it was legit.

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 1>That's what like I love so much, is like this

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:54.880
<v Speaker 1>tiny little thing that you started just because out of passion,

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 1>out of passion, got attention to grow it into media website,

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 1>got more attention to grow it even bigger, and then

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 1>sell it to CBS. How does that make you feel?

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I know you have all the feelings that go along

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.839
<v Speaker 1>with creating something from scratch, but like, how do you

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 1>feel the end of the day that your little dream

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 1>went all the way? Honestly, Caroline, I don't know if

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I've even like processed that because it coincided with the

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>beginning of my son's life, and so I just like

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.240
<v Speaker 1>and we were on the road, like it was such

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:36.240
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years of complete exhaustion and insanity that

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 1>um and so many blessings, but it just was like insane.

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 1>I hope you know how incredible that is to have

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:49.840
<v Speaker 1>something start from your passion to develop into something that

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>CBS wants to buy. That is really I'm very proud

0:45:55.719 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>of it, thank you. But the something I start to think, like, well,

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>what have I contributed to this family? And then I'm like, oh,

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.200
<v Speaker 1>wait a second, lot do you think as women, it's

0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>hard to realize what you contribute because like you're just

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.800
<v Speaker 1>always doing things. It's part of your nature. And we

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>talked you're an Instagram number two. Yes, you're a helper,

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.839
<v Speaker 1>so you're already always doing things. So you probably don't

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.040
<v Speaker 1>even realize all the things you do because it's just

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>so natural. I think it gets especially in this job

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:29.800
<v Speaker 1>or you know, any job that's in the entertainment businesses,

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 1>you get so hyper focused on you know, whoever's the

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:37.359
<v Speaker 1>performer their career, and you know the things that you're

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.719
<v Speaker 1>doing is to you know, that makes your family go.

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, if my husband can't do his job, then

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, we can't pay O bills. So you know,

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the things that you end up doing

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>as a wife, at least in my case, is you know,

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 1>you're you're helping this whole machine run, um, and as

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 1>much as you contribute to that, there's not really like

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 1>a tangible paycheck obviously, UM that comes with that. And

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 1>so for me to think about, you know, the sale

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of pop culture, it's like, wow, we were able to

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 1>accomplish that. Wow, life was insane, and you know it

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.879
<v Speaker 1>feels I mean, women can do anything that they want

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>to do. They can't even while they you know, have

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 1>an infant. And also being the one who is the

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>soul caretaker mainly of the child keeping. You have a

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.839
<v Speaker 1>lot of help truly, but keeping the family together, being

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:39.320
<v Speaker 1>that rock for Charles, I mean that makes a huge difference,

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 1>having stability, having someone keeping the family together. It just

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 1>really shines a light to you know how. I mean,

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 1>we have full time help, but you make sacrifices to

0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>live on the road, I mean, to sacrifice your dreams.

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, not that you have you found ways to

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.000
<v Speaker 1>get your dreams out there, right, but you know, you

0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.839
<v Speaker 1>never moved back to New York like to be that

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:03.400
<v Speaker 1>support for Charles. It takes a lot to be willing

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to sacrifice like that. I think that this life is

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>not for everyone. It is definitely not. I mean it

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>is it might look glamorous, and I'm sure every wife

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>who you've interviewed has said that, like, it is not

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:20.400
<v Speaker 1>glamorous at all. Like here, I am, Um, you always

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>know you always look glamorous, but it, Um, it's not

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 1>for everyone. I mean I feel like there's probably a

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:32.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of twos who are you no country music wives?

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Because it takes a mentality that isn't selfish. You just

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 1>see the bigger picture to have a to be in

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 1>a happy family. Yes, um, you know if you're expecting

0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to sign up to be in like a rap video, like,

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>it is not like that whatsoever. I mean, we get

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of amazing things. And we were

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 1>talking just the other day about all the travel that

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:04.960
<v Speaker 1>we've done and how it's like ten lifetimes for a

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of people. And I love to travel, so that

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 1>has been such a gift getting to do that. So

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>we get to do so much and we get to

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:15.239
<v Speaker 1>live in a beautiful home and UM not have to

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>worry about putting food on the table or paying for

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 1>our healthcare crazy experiences. Yeah, I mean there are so

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.399
<v Speaker 1>many gifts that come along with it that don't take

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:28.240
<v Speaker 1>for granted. But the emotional toll that it can take

0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 1>UM as well as physical just it's the amount of

0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>God yeah, UM is high, and so I think you

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 1>have to have a a real resilience and a real

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 1>sense of self UM too. You know that's what you sacrifice,

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:46.560
<v Speaker 1>is the emotional toll that it can take on you

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 1>totally talk to me about all your girlfriends because we're

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:54.000
<v Speaker 1>talking before. The girl group in Nashville is so strong,

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:56.759
<v Speaker 1>and I know you have some incredible girlfriends that are

0:49:56.760 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 1>your rocks. How is country music different with like the

0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 1>wives and just the support because I know that you

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 1>are such a supportive person and you've surrounded yourself with

0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:11.240
<v Speaker 1>women who are so supportive. I just feel lucky, um,

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to get to be in the same business as women

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 1>who are such good people. UM. I truly feel that's

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the case. You know, we all UM don't take anything

0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:24.920
<v Speaker 1>for granted, I think for the most part, and we

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 1>know we aren't trying to put on a show about

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:33.280
<v Speaker 1>what life really looks like to each other, especially um,

0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>we can all just be really honest with each other.

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is that so? I don't know. I think

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 1>we all just are innately that way. I think because

0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, we see other people being that way and

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 1>being vulnerable and um, you know, not feeling like we

0:50:56.040 --> 0:51:00.640
<v Speaker 1>have to show outwardly anything that isn't often tick to us.

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, we just all are that way because

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:08.800
<v Speaker 1>that's rare. It is rare, especially in entertainment, it is rare. Um.

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, I definitely have a whole closet of nice

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 1>shoes that I used to wear when I was younger,

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:18.399
<v Speaker 1>but now, like, what you see is what you get.

0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think, um, you know, we're going through a

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:26.160
<v Speaker 1>phase of new motherhood um together and you know, a

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of I know what it's like to be married

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.240
<v Speaker 1>to someone whose success is taking off on a rocket

0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:33.400
<v Speaker 1>ship and what that feels like. And I think a

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:37.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of my friends um have recently gone through that too.

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's just when it comes down to it, you know, faith,

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:46.839
<v Speaker 1>family and friendship is what keeps us all afloat in

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:50.760
<v Speaker 1>any business. So I think I just we share those

0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>commonalities and I feel incredibly lucky for that. That's amazing.

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think being in Nashville too, Like obviously National

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.920
<v Speaker 1>is growing so much, but it's just it's not a

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:06.839
<v Speaker 1>fake place. No it's not. There's pockets of you know,

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:11.120
<v Speaker 1>b s, but Nashville to me just feels so thriving

0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>in every way, Like it just feels like a place

0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to thrive and to just be the best version of yourself.

0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Which another statistic off topic, but you'll appreciate this. Um,

0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Nashville has the most the most number of women UH

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 1>created companies, businesses really in all the US. Well, you

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>know what, I could totally see. Yeah, so I feel like,

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 1>you know again, as a woman here, like it is

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:43.000
<v Speaker 1>a place to thrive. So maybe that plays into you know,

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>friendship and not feeling stifled and feeling like you have

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a creative outlet. Yes, and I feel like the men

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:54.439
<v Speaker 1>support it too, you know. Yeah. My husband every day

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 1>is like what do you what do you love? What

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 1>do you want to wake up and do? Or where

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 1>do you want to wake up and be? You know,

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:02.399
<v Speaker 1>one of our favorite things to say is like being

0:53:02.560 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>a human being, not a human doing. I love that,

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:08.440
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I don't have to like have any

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:10.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of job or anything that I produced other than

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:14.160
<v Speaker 1>taking care of you are right. That is something I've

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 1>had to really learn because in my twenties I was

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:21.319
<v Speaker 1>very much I'm a four on the Instagram, So like

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 1>finding my self worth has been a journey for me,

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I have had to feel I felt like I needed

0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 1>to prove myself with accomplishments and validations to to feel

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:33.840
<v Speaker 1>like I was a worthy person to exist, and that

0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.279
<v Speaker 1>if I hadn't gotten a few big things checked off

0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>of a list and I wasn't worthy. And I think

0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 1>in my thirties especially, I have learned that you are

0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.920
<v Speaker 1>worthy because you're here and coming to terms of that

0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and just realizing that me being a human being put

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:54.359
<v Speaker 1>on this earth, being myself loving is enough and then

0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:57.759
<v Speaker 1>anything is great that I want to pursue out of

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:00.399
<v Speaker 1>love and passion. But I don't need that. I don't

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:02.680
<v Speaker 1>need to prove to people that I'm a worthy person

0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 1>because I've done something. And that was what my twenties

0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:07.439
<v Speaker 1>are all about, was just proving that I'm good enough

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:12.280
<v Speaker 1>for me to um, you know, becoming a mother didn't

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.239
<v Speaker 1>automatically give me that. Oh my purpose as a mother

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 1>now not. I mean a lot of women have that,

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's incredible, but I didn't feel that. I felt

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 1>almost the opposite of I'm you know, I don't want

0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to say I'm just a mom, but I had to

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.879
<v Speaker 1>really walk through that same mentality of like, Okay, I'm

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:39.480
<v Speaker 1>not doing anything even though you're doing everythreething. Um. You know.

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I really struggled with that too, of feeling like my

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:47.759
<v Speaker 1>purpose was you know, me achieving um. And when you're

0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 1>a mom, you know, especially the very early newborn phase,

0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>sometimes all you can achieve is like changing from one

0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>pair of pajamas to another pair of pajamas, Like you

0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:01.280
<v Speaker 1>just it's you're keeping a human alive and not sleeping,

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:04.319
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's a really hard season. So how did

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you overcome those lies? I mean I feel like I still,

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, battle that um. But again, my girlfriends like

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:20.240
<v Speaker 1>just the validation that you get of like, hey, you're great,

0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 1>just exactly what you just said, just because I'm here

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 1>on this earth and I am a breathing, you know, thinking,

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 1>loving person. That makes me enough. That has been my

0:55:33.000 --> 0:55:35.760
<v Speaker 1>biggest lesson in my whole life is just being okay

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:38.440
<v Speaker 1>with myself and just like and I've gone through all

0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 1>sorts of seasons when I felt like I was on

0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a hamster or chasing and everything seemed to be happening,

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and then losing all of these goals and dreams come

0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:49.120
<v Speaker 1>crashing down, and all these things have taught me that, Okay,

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 1>you've got to get okay with just being here just

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 1>exactly as you are. Who cares what's going on around you.

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:57.799
<v Speaker 1>But that has been a big, big lesson for me,

0:55:57.840 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure it will continue to always be the

0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 1>lesson ever evolving. My mom, I mean, so much of

0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:05.480
<v Speaker 1>my you know, parents got divorced, and my mom was

0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.880
<v Speaker 1>always you know, working and supporting herself. And so the

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:11.560
<v Speaker 1>model that I got um from a mother, which I

0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:14.160
<v Speaker 1>think is very positive, is you know, never let a man,

0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:18.560
<v Speaker 1>never rely on a man like never you know, always

0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 1>have your own thing. And that's just not the case

0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:26.840
<v Speaker 1>in our marriage, um, at least financially. And so you know,

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:30.799
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, overcoming that too has is just a

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the same way of like I feel

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.839
<v Speaker 1>like I need to be doing something that is, you know,

0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.279
<v Speaker 1>doing X, Y Z in order to have self worth.

0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>But you're right, I know, like sometimes like if I

0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:45.359
<v Speaker 1>don't have something to do I'm like Caroline, you can

0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:48.759
<v Speaker 1>just not have anything to do, and that people would

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:51.279
<v Speaker 1>die to not have anything to do, So embrace it

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:54.879
<v Speaker 1>because what a blessing, right right, It's just getting out

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 1>of the head. But I mean, I think everyone goes

0:56:57.160 --> 0:57:00.600
<v Speaker 1>through that, especially as women, especially as women's men too,

0:57:00.680 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 1>who have big careers, and you know, like you said,

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 1>like with me and Michael, his schedule is always going

0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:08.919
<v Speaker 1>to come first. It just is. So I think that's

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:11.520
<v Speaker 1>why I tried to navigate my life into fitting around it,

0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:14.759
<v Speaker 1>to figure out an outlet for myself, like hosting that

0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:17.000
<v Speaker 1>is flexible and on my own terms, but I can

0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:19.840
<v Speaker 1>still do it well exactly. I mean that what you're

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:22.040
<v Speaker 1>doing right now with everything that you have going on,

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:25.720
<v Speaker 1>that's all amazing and creative. You know, you created that platform,

0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:28.600
<v Speaker 1>But I built it around Michael, right, you know, and

0:57:28.640 --> 0:57:30.800
<v Speaker 1>that's how blogging started for me. It was like, all right,

0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 1>what can I do that? Like I can do wherever

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I am exactly what can I still do to fill

0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:41.680
<v Speaker 1>my passion? But I can still be there, right because

0:57:41.800 --> 0:57:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I know, And it's just I think that women are

0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I do think that falls on women a lot, and

0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to take it because I want to have

0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:52.560
<v Speaker 1>a family that's connected. It's always been a priority for me.

0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:55.520
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm like, Okay, if I'll just figure it out,

0:57:57.160 --> 0:57:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and here we are, and here we are, I could

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:01.240
<v Speaker 1>talk to you forever. Obviously I've got to wrap up.

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:04.640
<v Speaker 1>You have a sweet boy sleeping sticking an app. I

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:08.200
<v Speaker 1>like to end my episodes with leave your Light, And

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:12.919
<v Speaker 1>this whole podcast with you is light inspiring. But just

0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:15.240
<v Speaker 1>what is some advice that you would want to share

0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>with someone maybe who is struggling, or just something that

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 1>you've learned, Just some wisdom that you would like to

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:26.600
<v Speaker 1>impart to anyone listening that you have gathered through all

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of your experiences. Maybe a lesson you've learned that you

0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 1>wish you would have known, or just a piece of

0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 1>advice that you would want to live by that you've

0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:41.280
<v Speaker 1>learned through everything. Oh man, I don't know. I don't

0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:50.360
<v Speaker 1>know if I have any advice. Um, I don't. I think, Uh,

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Just being kind to yourself I think

0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:59.240
<v Speaker 1>is so important and most um you know, if if

0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you can you know that, like be do unto others

0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:04.920
<v Speaker 1>as you would want done unto you. I think flipping

0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that on its head and saying do unto yourself, how

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you would treat others is really important because we definitely

0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I I don't always do that. So not to put

0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:20.720
<v Speaker 1>yourself down or to think of yourself last right, um,

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:24.840
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I walked through a lot of body issues,

0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:28.440
<v Speaker 1>um in the years since I've had Ward, and I

0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:31.840
<v Speaker 1>still like basically in the same way I was when

0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I was nine months pregnant. But you know, learning to

0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:40.720
<v Speaker 1>have self acceptance of you know what, who cares? Who cares?

0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Who cares? Who cares? That is a hard one. I've

0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I've had to eating disorders and struggle to wait my

0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:49.200
<v Speaker 1>whole life. Also, I think that's a woman thing because

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:53.520
<v Speaker 1>we put such a value on beauty and perfection, and

0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:56.680
<v Speaker 1>when you get to a point where perfection and beauty

0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:59.840
<v Speaker 1>isn't your goal, you know, like, of course we love it,

0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:02.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's not the goal, right, like being a great mom,

1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:06.360
<v Speaker 1>having Ward, right, being a wife, having your family. So

1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:13.760
<v Speaker 1>how have you flipped that script? Honestly, I just prayed

1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:16.600
<v Speaker 1>about it so much. Last August, I like really hit

1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:22.840
<v Speaker 1>a low point and just so much just self I

1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:27.240
<v Speaker 1>mean really just body hatred, and I just prayed about it,

1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and I heard very clearly, like you don't have to

1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:33.880
<v Speaker 1>fix everything, just sweat every day. I love that, Yeah,

1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean that was the message after I prayed, Like,

1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to fix everything to sweat every day.

1:00:38.720 --> 1:00:43.800
<v Speaker 1>And so I've just made it a point to have

1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:47.919
<v Speaker 1>health in my life in that way, even if I'm

1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:52.120
<v Speaker 1>not moving the needle on the scale. Um, and I've

1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:56.720
<v Speaker 1>you know again, I just it's changed everything. Like my

1:00:56.800 --> 1:01:00.640
<v Speaker 1>body hasn't changed very much, but my mind your right,

1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:03.640
<v Speaker 1>because all that our body does for it, I know,

1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think about that because like the things

1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I used to do to myself with like bulimia and

1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:14.800
<v Speaker 1>diet pills and laxatives and all sorts of awful things

1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:17.880
<v Speaker 1>to be away in Caroline that nobody cares about, right,

1:01:18.120 --> 1:01:19.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like, and that's the thing with you. You

1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:22.480
<v Speaker 1>are so stunning. No one but you even thinks about

1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. But that can take away

1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:26.440
<v Speaker 1>so much joy. I mean, had I been in the

1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:30.560
<v Speaker 1>hot Bahamas, in this beautiful, stunning place with my dressing

1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and husband and like been insecure in a bathing suit,

1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:35.080
<v Speaker 1>you would have missed it? Who would have missed it?

1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:37.560
<v Speaker 1>You'd have missed the whole moment or not, you know,

1:01:37.720 --> 1:01:41.320
<v Speaker 1>eating a slice of pizza or a taco or enjoyed,

1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, a margarita, and you would have missed the

1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:49.480
<v Speaker 1>experience obsessing about this number and this body image that

1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:51.800
<v Speaker 1>no one else is obsessing about. But because we have

1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:54.920
<v Speaker 1>this standard of perfection, miss playing with my son in

1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the pool, you know, like I can wear a large swimsuit.

1:02:00.920 --> 1:02:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Who cares? It's a cute cares. Who cares. That's why

1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed with women like Ashley Graham. I follow her

1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:10.960
<v Speaker 1>religiously because to me, she's one of the most beautiful

1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:14.560
<v Speaker 1>people have ever seen, and she flaunts her curves all

1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the time. And it's all about the way you few

1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.720
<v Speaker 1>yourself and speak to yourself. I've had to work on

1:02:19.760 --> 1:02:21.800
<v Speaker 1>my self talk a lot this year because I realized

1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I am so hateful to myself, like my self talk

1:02:24.720 --> 1:02:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I are. We're friends with I don't know if you

1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:29.600
<v Speaker 1>know Michael and Bree Chandler, They're like, Okay, he talks

1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:32.400
<v Speaker 1>about self talk all the time and just like having

1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:35.640
<v Speaker 1>positive self talk. So I started noticing mine and I

1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:39.600
<v Speaker 1>was like, I am so awful to myself. I would

1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:42.840
<v Speaker 1>never speak to anyone the way I speak to myself

1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to do unto yourself as you would do unto others.

1:02:45.800 --> 1:02:47.960
<v Speaker 1>And so I've really tried to catch myself on that

1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and be like, because when we were trying to get

1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:53.040
<v Speaker 1>pregnant and went through miscarriages and all that last year,

1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:55.080
<v Speaker 1>it was really like sad year for me, and I

1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:57.840
<v Speaker 1>was so hateful to myself, just feeling like I wasn't worthy,

1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:01.120
<v Speaker 1>that I wasn't good enough, that I hasn't chosen, you know,

1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:03.320
<v Speaker 1>like even the baby doesn't want you, and just like

1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I know it makes me sad that I could be

1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:08.320
<v Speaker 1>so hard to myself. But then I started checking myself.

1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Why am I being so brutally awful to myself? You know?

1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:16.760
<v Speaker 1>So I've tried to, like you're saying, retrain myself, like

1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:19.800
<v Speaker 1>if I go off on one of those tangents, turn it,

1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:23.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, because it's just lies and it's just trying

1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:27.240
<v Speaker 1>to be perfect, which is not my goal. Right. Well,

1:03:28.000 --> 1:03:30.720
<v Speaker 1>all of that said, I felt like hearing that message

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<v Speaker 1>of you don't have to fix everything. Just sweat every day,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the same way that maybe you just

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<v Speaker 1>have like one mantra that makes you feel good, and

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<v Speaker 1>just treating myself with that kindness of a sweat or

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<v Speaker 1>a run, or just today I just stretched. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really tired, I need to just do a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of yoga moves and like just stretch and treating myself

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<v Speaker 1>and my body with that kindness has just it's changed

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<v Speaker 1>my mentality about it. That is so inspiring. And thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for sharing that. Thank you for Katty,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so fun. You're the best. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>joining me. Thank you, Caroline. I appreciate it. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you and your heart you too. Bye. Thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining me. I know you're so inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by Cassie's story and just what a bright light she is.

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<v Speaker 1>She just blesses anyone that she touches and anyone that

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<v Speaker 1>gets to be around her presence. So I know her

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<v Speaker 1>story inspired you all just like it did me. Next week,

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<v Speaker 1>I have the beautiful, amazing Kaylee Dickerson. She is married

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<v Speaker 1>to Russell Dickerson, and we talk all about the past year,

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<v Speaker 1>how it has been a rocket for them. Russell has

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<v Speaker 1>been on a giant wave to stardom, had two number

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<v Speaker 1>one songs. She talks about how it was before they

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<v Speaker 1>had all the hits and how life has changed and

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<v Speaker 1>just how grateful they are their journey with God. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really truly inspiring, so tune in next week for Kayleie

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<v Speaker 1>Dickerson The Apple about