1 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. We are kind of splitting 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: up this Philly series because I think we have to. 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Those first two games were horrible and we need to 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: talk about it. In a four games series, especially, there's 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: so much that goes on. Let's go in the next 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: two and we'd feel a lot better, But right now 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: we feel pretty pretty freaking bad. So we're gonna talk 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: about everything that's gone on in game one and two 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: of the Philly series and just a little bit of 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: a heat check of how this team feels, a little 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: bit of a vibe check. Just gotta talk. We gotta 13 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: get some words out for you guys. As always, make 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: sure you're following us on all our social media at 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Mets up on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. Subscribe to the 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: Mess Up podcast YouTube channel if you have not yet 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: done so for the video version and for listening to 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: us Apple podcasts, Spotify, Google drops the rating, drops a review, 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: download and subscribe. James, where are you ranking that one 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: on losses for the season? Because Game two was bad. 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: One of the worst. Maybe not exactly the way the 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: game was played, but the way you feel when you 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: walk out of it is just I thought this was 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: so bad. I thought you were going to start one 25 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: of these episodes when your patented, because this was this 26 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: was just miserable. Also, the way you look the way 27 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: you lost on Monday was arguably worse because at least 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: Tuesday you can come confidently say you got out played. 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: One day. You had chances to win that game, you 30 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: didn't really take advantage of any of them. Harrison Bay 31 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: is the greatest player in the history of the world. 32 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: Sitting like five hundred against the mess this year, I 33 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: did you did say that. I just can't even like, 34 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 2: where where do you want to start to start Mendoza? 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: Do you want to start with the pitching? Do you 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: want to start with not hitting Aaronola? 37 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: I do think let's start with Mendoza. I want to 38 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: start hot. 39 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: He's been horrible, Yeah, bad, I would say, I would 40 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: say quite bad. I think that, ironically that he did 41 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: something really good in the game on Tuesday, which was 42 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: like calling in Seam and I to the tunnel after 43 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: and I had some of the words by language I've 44 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: ever seen Sean and I have literally literally like what 45 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: they say hanging his head. After that Hair and Bay 46 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: their home run and that ridiculous idle Chemp home run 47 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: before that I still can't believe got out. But was 48 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: that Yeah it was Camp, Yeah, it was Camp. So 49 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: then after that Showman and I comes out and kind 50 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: of firing and kind of starts pitching out loser, the 51 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 2: damage already done. Who the fuck cars? But then that 52 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: Monday was one of Mendoza's worst managed games I've ever 53 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: seen him, have the fact that he used Louis and 54 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: Helocuny as a pinch hither and then brought him in 55 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: to play his unnatural position third base, only to not 56 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: have any pinch runners available for the ninth inning when 57 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: you needed one really, really badly, and that wound up 58 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: costing the Mets a chance to tie the game. Apart 59 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: from Jeff McNeil for Squelves not having good at batting 60 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: as Joan Duran, that was an inn ex with that 61 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 2: happened was why why is he hitting? Why is he 62 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: hitting right now? Louis he Lacunie probably shouldn't hit the 63 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: rest of the season. Truthfully, things going on. 64 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: Luisn helacune is a guy who's he He's not on 65 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: the New York Meds in twenty twenty six. It's just 66 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: it's plain and simple. I don't think he's on this roster. 67 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: He's not gonna have an option. 68 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: I think he might be on the meds in twenty 69 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: twenty six. But I think that being said, he's got there. 70 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: There's a few things that he does really really well 71 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: right now and none of the No. 72 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: It's definitely not hitting, and even with a lefty on 73 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: the mound, Ronnie Mauricio's Ronnie Maricio's not any worse of 74 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: a hitter than luisn Helikouni is against the lefty. Mauricio's 75 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: bad against lefties. But I would still probably take Ronnie 76 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: Mariiso every time, especially knowing that Ronnie is one of 77 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: the slowest players on this team, so using him in 78 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: the pinch running situation was crazy. Multiple bad things happened 79 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: to Ronnie got the worst read I've ever seen in 80 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: my life on a ball that was down immediately against 81 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: the double. Me and you were watching the game together, 82 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: We're like, how are we not even close to scoring 83 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: on that? Ronnie's incredibly slow one. I know he's come 84 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: back from knee injury, but incredibly slow. Unto he got 85 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: the worst read of all time on a ball that 86 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: was never for a million seconds ever being caught, and 87 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: he was. 88 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: Taking a small lead because he was very scared to 89 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: get picked off. Becau Durant does have a good move. 90 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: So the fact that you brought in a guy to 91 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: pinch run, you took out p Lonzo in a one 92 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: run game, and then take him out in a one 93 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: run game. You brought in a guy who there's no 94 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: chance to steal. He's not out of himself as a 95 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: base run enough to take a big lead, and you 96 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: still can't score from first on a double. Why even 97 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: pinch run at that point? I get that, I don't know, 98 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: And also like the way he also burns Marte, not 99 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: saying that I wanted Martin in any situation based on 100 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: away he's played recently, But to bring Marte is a 101 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: pinch hitter for Brett Baty, where I understand you don't 102 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: want the lefties facing the lefties, but then the way 103 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: you organize it Sarnny Marte is going into the outfield. 104 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: Brandon was playing center fields for the first time all seasons, Like, 105 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: how how was this the way we wanted to deploy 106 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: the chess pieces the end of a game that was 107 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: highly highly very winnable. 108 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: The Mets had every opportunity they should have won it. 109 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: Again if if basically anybody but three guys on the 110 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: Mets are on the base. They scored that run easily. 111 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: Like Cassy Allaens is fumbling with the ball in the 112 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: right field wall. It's like, I just can't the fact 113 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: that it got to that point. Even still, at that point, 114 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: you justin and Jeff McNeill put the ball and play 115 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: and you still score the run. 116 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: And he missed a couple of miss felt ball by 117 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: an inch. It was like smacked the umpire umpire. I mean, 118 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: come on, we. 119 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: Thought it hit the base because it took such a 120 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: weird hop. We were celebrating and we're like, shit, it 121 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: was the and then also the one that's gotten the 122 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: most publicity. But I think a little bit wrongfully. The 123 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: Francisca Abra is a bad way, too very bad at bad. 124 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: But also people are just being ridiculous. 125 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: I had the unfortunate. I don't know. I happened to 126 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: be home in Westfield. I didn't know the word I 127 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: wanted to use. I happened to be home in Westfield 128 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: in Jersey, and me and my dad were just like 129 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: it's it's three PM. Nothing's on TV, so we just 130 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: turned on the TV version of Evan and Tiki, which 131 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: is crazy. And I like Evan objectively, like he's a 132 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: nice dude, He's been nice to us. He's a big 133 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: MET fan, obviously, But they brought on Joe Beningo, who's 134 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: obviously he's a pistol. The guy is like, is a 135 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: WFA legend, and he's got some crazy stuff behind the 136 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: scenes as well, but he comes on. He talks about 137 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: how one Francisco Alvarez had like the worst at Bad 138 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: he's ever seen, and then two was like, I feel 139 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: more comfortable with Louis nz every day catching and he 140 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: then even doubled down and said I think I'd feel 141 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: better with Singer, which that's also not his name. 142 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: I mean literally, it's also I was just thinking about 143 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: the entire sequence again, It's like so many things had 144 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: to go wrong for those runs just to score, and 145 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 2: even just the cherry on top was Jared Young coming 146 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: as a pinch runner, and I think. 147 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Jared Young is faster than Ronnie Mauricio too. 148 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: I could see that. But also the funny thing is 149 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 2: that with Jose Siri being activated before the game on Tuesday. 150 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: It seemed like they wanted to keep Jared Young on 151 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 2: the roster yesterday with a right handed pitcher on the mound. 152 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: But if you have Jose Siri on the roster, win, 153 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: it seems like he was probably ready to be activated 154 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: for Jared Young. He probably pinched runs or he just 155 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: pinch hits for Mullins and then Kunia pinch runs. But 156 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: no matter what, you score that run and we might 157 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: be having a very different conversation right now. 158 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: This is the problem right now that the Mets are having. 159 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: And I think it's it's David Stertns. I think it's 160 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: Carlos Mendoza. I think it's the entire organization right now 161 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: trying to be a little too cute at times. I 162 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: think there is a lack of a kill switch that's 163 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: being engaged right now with this team. Like, like you said, 164 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: wanting Jared Young there for maybe one at bad against 165 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Nola is a pretty insane trying to thread the needle, 166 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 1: rather than having Jose Sierri, who I mean, he dropped 167 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: the fly ball today. We don't have to talk about that. 168 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: But he's a much better fielder. Defensively, he brings you value, 169 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: and he's a demon on the bass pass. Every time 170 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: he's been on base this year he has scored a run, 171 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: which is an insane stat because he doesn't get on 172 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: base much, but he scores every time. That's like trying 173 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: to thread the needle, even letting Hagenman face Kyle Schwarburn 174 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: this game, trying to get Hageman through all this, trying 175 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: to thread the needle a lot, and even some of 176 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: the decisions that David Sturns has made when we've been 177 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 1: like trying some of these weird pitchers at times, trying 178 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: to thread the needle when like I'm gonna I'm gonna 179 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: say something that maybe isn't fair, but like Rico Garcia 180 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: should still be on this team and he's awesome. Ount 181 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: in Baltimore tried to thread the needle atle too much. 182 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't think that the Schwarber Hageman was threading the needle. 183 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: I think that was just a horrible, horrible moment by 184 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: Cross the blows away. 185 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: We've said this, We've said this before about Mendoza, but 186 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: it seems like sometimes when ending spiral out of control, 187 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: it seems like sometimes he's not hair for the next situation. 188 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,119 Speaker 2: That might be occurring, and in this game, right before 189 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: that happened, the ending that the Kyle schworret bat should 190 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: never have happened because he Marciano should have made the 191 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: routine play just throwing out Bryce's stott instead of tapping 192 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: his glove five times, start hustling down the line. But 193 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: at the same time, you get to that situation now 194 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: that the innings kind of starts again spiral out of 195 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: the control. Do you have you know, there's two lefties 196 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: right there the second Brices doots on base, like I 197 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: don't care what's going on. That was still close game 198 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: at the time, Brooks RALI, you have two red lefties 199 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: a bullpen raally so though someone should be warming up, 200 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: those guys are on this team to literally face literally 201 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: the Philly. The Phillies make it very available to you. 202 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: We're stacking these two lefties. We know you still can't 203 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: get them out for some reason, justin Haiggenman is out 204 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: there to face and I really I think that again, 205 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,479 Speaker 2: Mendoz just kind of made the decision in his mind 206 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: that the game was over after the Sean and I 207 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 2: whole situation. I don't really really think it was the Phillies. 208 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Bullpen is good. It's not great. Time like it was. 209 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: It was not great, But at the end of the day, 210 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: for seum and I to be able to get through 211 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: five was huge for him and huge for the team 212 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: because four runs a that's like a coin flip. That's 213 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty winnable. 214 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: Game, definitely, and we scored a run off every single 215 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: leaeve the Phillies brought in this game, and we had 216 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: a chance to score more. I think if the if 217 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: the game didn't again begin to inspiral after that College 218 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 2: Howard at home run, I just couldn't. I couldn't even 219 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: I just can't believe that he was left his own 220 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: device to do that. I think that was a situation, 221 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: like we've been critical about Mendoz in the past, where 222 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: he wasn't I'm not gonna say he was sleeping, but 223 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: it seems like he wasn't prepared for the next situation 224 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: that had the possibility of happening. 225 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: I'll definitely say he was sleeping. If he wasn't sleeping, again, 226 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: then he's trying to throw the needle, and then we're 227 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: back to the whole thing where he like it's just 228 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: trying to get a little bit too cute. 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We had a stretch in 264 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: the beginning of August where we lost how many games 265 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: in a row one, two, three, four, five, six seven 266 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: one point one lost three more? You lost ten out 267 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: of eleven before that you even lost four, So you 268 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: lost what fourteen out of sixteen. We've seen this team 269 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: go really streaky in both directions at plenty of plenty 270 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 2: of different times this season. You can't do that again, No, dude, 271 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: you don't. If you lose aight out of nine right now, No, 272 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: you're just going to miss the playoffs. Like, maybe then 273 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: you can get hot win the last five like this 274 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: team would be. That would be the exact way this 275 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: team would actually play the shit out because that's how 276 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: they are. But you don't really have the time or 277 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: the space or the energy to fight through another one 278 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: of these ridiculous cold streaks. And the question just keeps becoming, 279 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: like why did these cold streaks keep happening? How are 280 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: you not able to start to pull out these games? 281 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 2: Because two of these games we lost were one run games, Yes, 282 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: these were. You probably shouldn't have lost all four of 283 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: these last games we just lost. 284 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: In a row. The team's inability to win any close 285 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: game is crazy. It's absolutely in how they can't win 286 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: a close game or the only team in baseball that 287 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: hasn't won a game after trailing after eight innings, that's unbelievable. 288 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: The Rockies have won six I think they have thirty wins. 289 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: It's like a fifth of their wins. They were trailing 290 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: going into the last inning and they've won those games. 291 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: The Mets haven't done it once. And that's not even 292 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: the problem with the Tuesday game, because a Tuesday game, 293 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: nobody came out from the first pitch. It was just 294 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: a mega, mega ass Lindor one to oh pitch. Like 295 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: I remember it vividly because I was frustrated because Ranger 296 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: Suarez first that bat of the game, gets behind Lindor 297 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: one to oh. Lindor then takes like a very lazy, 298 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: bad right handed swing on a fastball that is a 299 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: pitcher's pitch on the outside corner, hits a lazy flyball 300 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: to right field. I'm like, feel like you need to 301 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: be a little more patient leading off the game against 302 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: a guy like Ranger Suarez, who has had issue at 303 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: times with throwing strikes consistently. I didn't love what we 304 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: knocked him out of the game recently, Like the last 305 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: time we faced Ranger, he threw a ton of pitches. Yeah, 306 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: Like we've been able to make this guy work and 307 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: get him out of the game. We know we need 308 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: to get to this Phillies bullpen. Maybe the command comment 309 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: wasn't technique true, but his more it's more about he 310 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: does throw a lot of pictures. 311 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: Though totally it takes him a lot, He's not, I mean, 312 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: but also he takes him a lot if you aren't 313 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: very aggressive like that. Yeah, that's exactly what Ranger Suarez 314 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: wants is he wants you swinging at that pitch to 315 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: make a swing out of pitchers pitch. Like that's what 316 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: he does. He doesn't really again in this game, oddly 317 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 2: that wasn't the case because he was blowing guys pause. 318 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: He was just destroying dudes. He had twelve strikeouts most 319 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 2: ever most of his career, but. 320 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: Shutout Soto three times, Pete three times. 321 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: I think so though, Yeah, it's crazy one for fifteen 322 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: against him, but like nine strikeouts in his career. 323 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: Came out of the game. Soto got a hit immediately. 324 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: Exactly even after the second or third strikeouts, so though 325 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: gave him a look like where he was like, you 326 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: gotta be kidding me, and Suarez had like a little 327 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: chuckle on his face like they were. I seemed like 328 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 2: him and Martine were talking about facing Suarez too, like 329 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: talking about the Wales pitches. 330 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: With Martee didn't know what was going on either today, so. 331 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: No one's going off for about two weeks now kind 332 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: of just does this. But like Suarez is a good picture, 333 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 2: is also not one of the few best pitches in 334 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: the league. I mean, we made him look definitely better 335 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: than he is. But and even the flip side of this, 336 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 2: the mania stuff, he couldn't put anybody away. The first 337 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: two winnings, every single one of those hits came with 338 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: two strikes and the first he struck them out. Yeah yeah, no, 339 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: not fort that bad. Yeah yeah, because that he actually 340 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: struck out bitter twice. The home round the middle, that 341 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: rally was no one on, two outs and then two 342 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: strikes on that was. That was that was real Muto. 343 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: And then he winds up walking him after. 344 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: But no, that was I'm thinking of last No he 345 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: hit he hit real Muto, that was Yeah, But it's 346 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: just you. It's an inability to put someone away, to 347 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: get out of these situations. And he and then it 348 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: got the one credit the credits to Windos for like 349 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: pulling them the tunnel, be like, hey, you got fucking 350 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: spark up, dude, Like he immediately like went like this 351 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: pulled him right in. 352 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: But bad. I just this was bad from the second 353 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: this game began. You're like, we have no chance to win. 354 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: I think, like, gotta be cheating at home. They're so 355 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: bad on the road. 356 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: I hope they're cheating it. But why do you think 357 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: we just didn't cheat against the Marlins? 358 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe, I mean they scored a lot of runs. 359 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they they hit fine, they didn't pitch well. 360 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean because as much as Eric shav is the 361 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: best hitting coach in baseball, loves to parade around about 362 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: when this team gets hits, it's crazy when you know, 363 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: when the stuffs goes bad, Eric shavas his radio silent. 364 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: You hear nothing from him again. I fucking hate him. 365 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: I hate his guts. 366 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: I just it's it's I feel like the same conversation 367 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: we had where it's an energy thing like this team 368 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: playing low tie something. It's such a different energy when 369 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: they're at home versus on the road, which is like, 370 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: not an excuse, it's just an observation. I'm not saying 371 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: that this. 372 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Is what it is. 373 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: It's bad. 374 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'll tell you the opinion. 375 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: It's bad. And also again like that played by Vianzos 376 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: is so bad. So there's and again he did make 377 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: a diving stop in this game. Whether get a home 378 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: run yeah, still smashing, yes, but he's just a continuously 379 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: liability at their base. Like he's very bad there. And 380 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: there's probably a bit too much of obsession right now 381 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: with needing to get a guy like Starling Martell on 382 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: the field. 383 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: Definitely way too much of an obsession trying to get 384 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: some Martell on the field when he's hot, forcem into 385 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: the lineup right now he's ice cold. Let him sit 386 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: for like two three days. Who cares use him in 387 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: a pinch hitting situation He's allowed to make an impact 388 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: without getting four at bats. 389 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: Again, Like why, I don't know why Brett Baby just 390 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: can't start the guests to left team or play third, 391 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 2: like that's the best thing. I think him playing third 392 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: is more important than him I agree, than having to 393 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: hide them against the left handed pitcher like that. To me, 394 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: I'm just like, it's we don't really, I don't know, 395 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: Like this even we were kind of lying on Brett 396 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: Baby day and day out. That's the way he's been 397 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: playing third the last few days. Unbelievable, over and over again, 398 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: you give up so much when you take him off 399 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: the field and put Vienso's there. It's just, it's fucking 400 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: just it's bad. It's so bad right now. I can't 401 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: believe how bad I feel, and I wish there were 402 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: fewer games left in the season because it feels like 403 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: every single game the Mets play a compounds their chance 404 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: of losing more games and blowing this playoff spot. 405 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a team get this hot and cold. 406 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: It's like the most polar team I can remember in 407 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: my lifetime, where you can win fifteen out of twenty 408 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: games and then also lose fifteen out of twenty at 409 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: the same time. There's no like the Mets. It feels 410 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: like they haven't had actually like thirty games where it's 411 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: like win loss win loss, win loss, win lost fifteen 412 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: and fifteen, it's been like win eight, lose eleven, win nine, 413 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: lose seven. 414 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: Don't they don't do it evenly. It's just win a lot, 415 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: lose a lot. I mean, truthfully, that's happened to the 416 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: Yankees this season. I guess yeah, that's the other team too. 417 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: Who the Mets and the Yankees are one and one 418 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: if they both win, if they're both playing well, they're winning, 419 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: one play is poorly, the other joins them. The Yankees 420 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: got smoked tonight. It's so weird how they're like in 421 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: line with each other. 422 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: I feel like I remember a Red Sox season like 423 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: six or seven years ago where something else happened. It's 424 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: just it's it's they can't sustain. There's no consistency. And like, 425 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: how much this reflects on those guys at the top, 426 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: how much of a reflects on Mendoza, Like there's a 427 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: lot of I think a lot. I think it's tough 428 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: for all that I think Lindor Alonso, So though Mendoza 429 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: like this, I think consistent team with as much talent. 430 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: It kind of reflects on those guys. Yet, after the 431 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: game on Monday, especially, Alonzo said all the same spiel 432 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: where it was like, you know know how we know 433 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 2: how talented we are, just got again to the dance. 434 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: We know what we can do. It's almost kind of 435 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: like what happened last year is working against them. Yes, 436 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: you kind of feel like, oh we gotta do is 437 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: get there. We know we're gonna flip a switch. You 438 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: can't really know you're going to flip a switch. Switch 439 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: has to flip organically. 440 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: And they kind of and they kind of didn't once 441 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: like it took Peter Lonzo whitting a miracle home run. 442 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: And Francisco Door first sitting America. 443 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: It took mirror. It took miracles for this team to 444 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: make it to where they le Miracles took a big 445 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: fat purple miracle as well, and it took a Latino 446 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: pop star. Like again, you couldn't write what the Mets 447 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: did last year, And it does feel like, I like 448 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: what you said there. It does feel like they're kind 449 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: of just like waiting for last year to happen again. 450 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was I think there was a bit 451 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: of a change of tone. I felt like after this 452 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: game from Mendoza where he kept saying like, hey, like 453 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: there's no time like where we need to fight, we're 454 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: in the middle of it kind of seemed like he 455 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: was speaking with emergency the players might not have had, 456 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: but still again like to speak without urgency. But then 457 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: also let Hagenan face kylesh Warbur Like those two things 458 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: don't really go together for me. 459 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: No, those the ven diagram doesn't intersect there of thinking 460 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: games are important and justin Hagenman innings, they don't really intersect. 461 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 2: No, not at all. Should at least briefly just heap 462 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: more credit on to Nolan McLay. 463 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's really good. We'll be we might 464 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: need just a cleanse. Let's get a quick cleanse. Let's 465 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: be positive for five minutes. Noel McLain is my game 466 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: one starter if we make the postseason. I've declared that. 467 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: Oh definitely, he's the way that he's I think that 468 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: it's almost like being undersold how much better he's gotten 469 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: in a short period of time. I even think that 470 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: he's rapidly improving since that first start he made against 471 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: the Mariners. That's the way that he's able to do. 472 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: The sinker. He threw more change ups in this one 473 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: because it's very lefty heavy. Phillies lineup like he's outrageous. Also, 474 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,479 Speaker 2: the sinker for the righties is it's kind of unfair 475 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: like that. He throws the most fun looking sinker I've 476 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: ever seen. It's got such crazy movement. It's almost like 477 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: remember the Bigs with the video game The Bigs. Yeah, 478 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: when you'd get like the perfect turbo sinker and it 479 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: would like come straight and then just hump back. 480 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 1: That's what it looks like. 481 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: He has one of the one of the most some 482 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: of the most drop at any sinker if any started 483 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 2: in the league. It's crazy, like that's the real thing 484 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: that he has, and that in the sweepershes he every 485 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: single rity. Like again, the same thing with last week. 486 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: Ja tub Riemuts was like emo thing when he was 487 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: like getting out against Note he was looking back like 488 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: what the fuck is he doing right now? But just 489 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: it sucks that like a rookie can go out there 490 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: and give you that performance, you just can't. You can't 491 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 2: too much with it because again this wasn't even like 492 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: a dominant McCain startle. He definite struggled this Philly's lineup 493 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: is pretty good like they are, and there were guys 494 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: on base he had to fight in and out of 495 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: jams like he was kind of struggling to throw a 496 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: strike one at times. But it's to not be able 497 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 2: to pick him up, honestly, sucked like that. That was 498 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 2: really pissing me off a lot. 499 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: Another positive? Can I can I give one positive? 500 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 501 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley won two three inning, Yeah. 502 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: Sure, I forgot about that. 503 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's it is so perfect for him to 504 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: get hot and figure it out as the Mets cannot 505 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: win or have any leads. 506 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: Well, so this is a funny one. I talked to 507 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: my dad on the phone after this game, but he 508 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: mentioned something I didn't even notice about that Hellsley outing 509 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: because we were playing softballatch between innings. So you obviously 510 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: you have the problem tipping pitches, right, Yes, just through 511 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: eleven straight sliders. 512 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: Isn't that the thing? 513 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: I said? 514 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: I was like, what if he just only throws one pitch, 515 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: can't tip? You don't throw one pitch, you can't tip, 516 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: just you know it's coming, be better. 517 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: And he's throwing the curveball that's just like a slower pitch, 518 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: so he's like, slither ninety, curveball eighty. That's it. They 519 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: moved the same way, but you're not gonna be able 520 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: to them up as much. It's kind of kind of 521 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: funny that was the and the sliders swings and missus 522 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: left and right because suddenly the guys didn't know they 523 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 2: were coming. So it's it's nice to know that it 524 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: is still there for Helsley. Sadly, the damage may have 525 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 2: already been done. But I just even like going back 526 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 2: to him, like watching Nola, like I always respect Aaronola. 527 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: He's had a great career. I think he's still a 528 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: very good pitcher, but very good. Maybe a stretch seemed 529 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: quite hitable. Watching this one had nothing. I was just 530 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: like they were just curve balls and his own. It 531 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: was like, come on, guys, anyone. 532 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: If I told you his name was Jack Flaherty and 533 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: he pitched for the Tigers, he'd be like, this guy's 534 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: mega turbo dog shit. 535 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah fuck yeah. But you know what, it's not his name. 536 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 2: He doesn't And at least in this one, he was 537 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: spotting the fastballs better, like for Aaron Nola, Like if 538 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: those fastballs get played, they get annihilated. This time they 539 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: were released like eating that was at that outside the 540 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: edge against the lefties, like that was something he was 541 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: able to do. But at the same time, to not 542 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: score the run in that game on Monday night was deplorable. 543 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: The Phillies, Yeah, you got. He had every opportunity to 544 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 2: do things that you couldn't. 545 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: What was the worst part about Monday night watching that 546 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: Mets game losing one nothing or the fact that we 547 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: joined up modified Soft Bald League, went all the way 548 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: to the West side of Manhattan and got absolutely fucking 549 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: annihilated guys. We lost by like twenty two runs too. 550 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: We got house where we think we have a pretty 551 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 2: good softball team, Like we really competed our league. We 552 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: decided to move up with division and was modified fast 553 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: huge new softball as well. New softball. We tried to 554 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: tried to be let's make this harder, modified fast pitch. 555 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: We were not ready for what we had to face. 556 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: We faced a kid who played club baseball Maryland. He 557 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: was smaller than me. He had a fucking nuke. Nukes, yeah, 558 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 2: they were there were it was. It was intense. We 559 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 2: have to wear masks behind the plate. Now, none of 560 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: none of us knew how to throw modified fast patch. 561 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: It was a real mess. The other team. I hopefully 562 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: they had the best team that league, but yeah, watching 563 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: the Mets not score in between innings and then watching 564 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: Duran strike out Alvarez but with the boys after that 565 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 2: was just horrific. 566 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was painful. It's been a horrible, horrible two 567 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: days in Mets world. I was just want to say, 568 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: for a second, obligatory, I have to mention it. We 569 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: disagree on this one here. Lots of people hear it once. 570 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: So the stealing third base was insane. Uh like it's 571 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: it is conceptually insane. I also think it should not 572 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: be talked about at all. I think like talking about. 573 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: It, bro it should not be I think just got 574 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: mentioned because I think it was kind of crazy. 575 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: I think it was crazy, and I can understand why 576 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: somebody could be upset, but I think harping on it 577 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: and also making it a way bigger deal than it is. 578 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: It's like, who fucking cares? Oh no, the Mets lost 579 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: by six and want so to stole a base, or 580 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: oh no, the Mets loss by six and he didn't 581 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: steal a basic. That's that's where we're at right now. 582 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: That's where we're nitpicking the guy who has carried this 583 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: team offensively all season long. I'll tell you what, I 584 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: don't give one hundred fucks. Steal as many bases as 585 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,719 Speaker 1: he wants, he never gets thrown out. I don't care 586 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: what the rules of baseball say. I don't care how 587 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: much money's getting paid. I don't care what the situation was. 588 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: He was safe. 589 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: Who gives a. 590 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: Shit time for your weekly arena club segment where we 591 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 4: see what AJ pulls from a slab pack, and here 592 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 4: we go, Paul Emerald pack this week. AJ looking for 593 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 4: something big. 594 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 5: Always, I'm always looking for the big thing, next big. 595 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: Thing, Scott, big money, big money baby. No ways, We've 596 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 4: got a Dave Winfield card from nineteen to seventy four, 597 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 4: seventy four tops card from this Emerald pack. Estimated value 598 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 4: three hundred bucks. You could sell it back for two 599 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 4: seventy So I feel like you are into more of 600 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 4: the current players. Would that be accurate? 601 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 5: Like legend in my showroom might have a Robin you out, 602 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 5: I have a Griffy Rookie card. I think that's true, 603 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 5: So I mean I have some older vintager players. Bob Gibson. 604 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you have Gibson, So I know I disagree Scott. 605 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 5: But Dave Winfield for that amount of money back, I'm 606 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 5: reselling it. 607 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 4: And if you want to get your own pack or 608 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: new card, you can get twenty percent off your first 609 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 4: slab pack or card purchase at arenaclub dot com. 610 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 3: Slash foul. 611 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: The next time the Mets are trailing by five, would 612 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: you be okay with him stealing third? With you outs 613 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: and met another guy on base? 614 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: Is you safe? 615 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, you'll know he before to play. 616 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: If he's safe, then yes, if he's out, I'm gonna 617 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: be like, what the fuck are we stealing for? 618 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's the problem out there. Maybe next time, 619 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: just don't do it again. Is he saved every single 620 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: time he steals? So whatever. But I don't know. It's 621 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: just like when I saw that happen, I was like, 622 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: that's not that cool. 623 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care. 624 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: I actually the series did it? 625 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: Oh, people would be people will be screaming epithets at 626 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: all series. What would you think I would be saying, dog, 627 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: he must have the pictures a racist or something as Yeah, 628 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: It's like that was just one of those things where 629 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: now people are gonna harp on it. But this is 630 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. Bigger problems, way way problems. 631 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: Not even top ten biggest problems in this individual game 632 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: let alone. This is like the first half of the series. 633 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: And now it feels like we're gonna do like a 634 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: Letterman bit, like top ten biggest problems from the New 635 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: York Mets game today and then like ten the Mets 636 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: like players coming on. So it was like I stole 637 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: third base, all. 638 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: Right, we could we could do that one right now. 639 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: Top ten biggest problems in the Mets today, won Sean 640 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: and I are just not being able to spot those 641 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 2: sweepers at all. Okay, Number two, wait, let's go back 642 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: and forth. Let's okay, give me number two two. Carlos 643 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: Mendoza leave and Justin Hagenman all right? Number three? What 644 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 2: could we get for number three? 645 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:53,239 Speaker 1: Here? 646 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: Now, I'm already out. 647 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: You want me to give you one? Yeah, keep going, 648 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: Mark Fiento's not charging a ground ball, Brice is Stock 649 00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: getting a hit there. 650 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: That's three. These bad things happen, and I just choose 651 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: to remove them from my brains. I'm I'm so good compartmentalizing. 652 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: Number four Jose Sirie dropped a fly ball in centerfield. 653 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: Didn't matter, but he did do it. Number five p 654 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: Alonso could not hit left handed ranger Suarez to save 655 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: his life. Number six Jan Soto could not hit left 656 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 1: handed ranger Swarez to save his life. 657 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: Number seven Mark Fanta couldn'tally hit left handed rangers war 658 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: and save his life. And in that bat when well, 659 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: Fianto's did steal the base. If you had to sole 660 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: the bass, you have to have golden opportunity against left 661 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: handed tander Banks also did not have a good at 662 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: bat went down two like that. 663 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: Let me think, let me think we got two more 664 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: when oh, we're at number eight, so we need three 665 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: more because we get to ten. Number eight though, Starling 666 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: Martay having competitive at bats in the lineup, only to 667 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: face a left handed pitcher, and he absolutely just did 668 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: horrible things every single time at the plate. Number nine. 669 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: The Giants are playing red hot and they are dangerous. 670 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: That's one of the bad things that happened with the 671 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: Mets today. 672 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean William Domas hit the home run, three 673 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 2: run home run, third bat of the game and flips 674 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 2: his bat and the next. 675 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: Universe number ten, Harrison Bader, a guy who we could 676 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: have traded for at the trade deadline, fucking owns our ass. 677 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: And we can't get this guy out. Despite him being 678 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: on the team last year and knowing what pitches he 679 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: can hit, we still continue to throw the pitches that 680 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: are right in his hot happy zone. And Cedric Mullins 681 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: I think is over his last twenty. 682 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: Eight I think twenty six. But yeah, that has a thing. 683 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: Harrison Baither. Also, it's it's a three mile and hour 684 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: basbe increase two min and ire Bassy know me, I 685 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: was telling him I know you were right. I just 686 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: I know it's true. And yeah, Trades, I we've gotten 687 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: this point of talking Aboutmullins. I think that while he's 688 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 2: been turbo dog shit, it's another situation where I think 689 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: he a lot of people are piling on him with 690 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: us again, many deeper and bigger problems this whole situation 691 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: going on. 692 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think our nine hitter not hitting when 693 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: they haven't hit for us all year is our biggest issue. 694 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. We've seen this now with like 695 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: almost every player on the Mets getting in this insanely 696 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: deep slump. Where's the help? Where's the adjustment? 697 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: And also again, if you're if you're even considering pinch 698 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: hitting Cedric Mullin for Luis on Helicunya, that's crazy. There's 699 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: probably just needs to be another conversation there, like maybe 700 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 2: after the game, someone'd be like, what, Carlos, why why 701 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: was that? I'm sure you can't. 702 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: You can't possibly think Louis on Helicunya is ever a 703 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: better hitter than Zadrick Mullins, unless unless it was twenty 704 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: twenty four Luis on helicun you remember that, that was crazy? 705 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: I would say that that actually it was insane. 706 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: Think about that, because there's I actually don't know how 707 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: he did it. I have no clue. 708 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 2: And this is also a situation where like any of 709 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: these guys can just get hot for a hot second here, mullins, Siri, 710 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: Jeff Marte, anybody, just anybody just say to give this 711 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: team a parachute, because you're going into face Christopher Sanchez 712 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 2: next game. It's like he's going to be pissed half 713 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: away at last one win. Oh, he is going to 714 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: be throwing bullets. And it's just I can't I can't 715 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: see the best winning on Wednesday either, And then there 716 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: is a's going to be avoid a literal catastrophe. And 717 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: then we have the Rangers come this weekend, who are 718 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: very much in the AL playoff conversation right now and 719 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: are playing some pretty decent baseball of late. Chack up 720 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: the ground before the night's going to be crazy to 721 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: be a resid right now says we're not We're not 722 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: done recording. I mean we are almost done recordings the 723 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: almost the end of the night. Here, Reds are up, 724 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 2: Giants are up. This could be it could be a 725 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: two game lead. 726 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: I believe the Mets at which I hate these stats. 727 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: I hate him so much. I think the Mets, according 728 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: to Fangrafts, were like ninety six percent chance to make 729 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: the playoffs coming into today before the game happened to 730 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: in the middle of the game, it dropped to seventy 731 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: six percent. I can only imagine what it's going to 732 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: be when the Giants and Reds win tonight. 733 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: Sixty I mean, with you, with you, honestly, Fiel, what's 734 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 2: you like your what's your gut check percentage? Right now? 735 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: Oh? I felt so good today. I felt so good 736 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: before today's game. I said, like ninety five percent chance. 737 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: I think the Mets still make the playoffs. And now 738 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm fifty to fifty. 739 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: I'm a little bit than fifty fifty. I'm sixty forty. 740 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: But I'm fifty to fifty until they show until they 741 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: show me otherwise, until they show me a little fight, 742 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: until they showed me that someone's aware of what's going on, 743 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: that someone's paying attention. I can't. I can't get off 744 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: the fifty to fifty ledge. 745 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: Then it is funny though, because a lot of people 746 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 2: are now like harping onto like the Drew Gilbert situation 747 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: that he's kind of galvanized the Giants team, and he 748 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 2: kind of has emotionally and seems like that, Like it's 749 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: kind of it's honestly hilarious the content that's coming out 750 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: about him with Matt Chapman, that he's kind of like 751 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: the Chihuahua of that team where he's just screaming. Matt 752 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: Chapman chokes him out basically because he's such a little nut. 753 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: At the same time, like his stats do look good. 754 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: It was really helped by his series. Right when he 755 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: got called up in Coors Fields. 756 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: I would love to get called up in debut and 757 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: Coors That must be sick. 758 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: Must be incredible. I do want to cast people about 759 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: like the excitement about because gain Drew Giblard seems super fun. 760 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: I get. I would love to have on in this 761 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: fucking clubhouse right now. 762 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I don't know if he could 763 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: act the way that he is right now in this clubhouse, 764 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: his clubhouse. I don't really got the vibes like that. 765 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: Does the Giants clubhouse have the vibes like that? No, 766 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: But like I think he would act like this no 767 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: matter what. I think that's the whole point of what 768 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 2: he is. 769 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: Who's gonna Who's gonna choke slam him? 770 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: Pete? You think Pete would one hundred percent? 771 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: I hope. So I don't know this. 772 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: This see I think I don't. I think it's a 773 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 2: week take. No, is it about specifically about Drew Gilbert 774 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: acting the way he would act. But I do think 775 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 2: is now that we take in the fact that there 776 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: are just the whole season, it's been kind of a 777 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 2: strange clubhouse vibe. 778 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,239 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't think it's 779 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: actually a bad take. I think Drew Gilbert comes to 780 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: that clubhouse and feels a little weird about what's going 781 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: on on it. 782 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, But also like it did take the Giants 783 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: starting to play red hot baseball for all his content 784 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: starting to hack. He's been up for three weeks, then 785 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: they started winning. Danie still he was acting like a 786 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: little bit of a cycle path Now he was a 787 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: full blown cycle. 788 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: He would have came up and the Mets would have 789 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: kept losing. 790 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: Maybe or who Even though I just thought it was fine, 791 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: I just wanted to bring the name up because people 792 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: are talking about it. 793 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it fucking sucks that the team that we 794 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: traded to that sold to us is gonna possibly knocks 795 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: out of the playoffs. I fucking hate the Giants. 796 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: Multiple sellers are creeping up, creeping up on us in 797 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: the playoffs, and the Reds who soft bought. It was 798 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: just like, it's if you miss again, We're far away 799 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 2: from this actually becoming reality. The Mets missed the playoffs. 800 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 2: It's an overwhelming failure. 801 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: Oh, it's one of the worst failure. It's it's probably 802 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: the worst failure in franchise history. 803 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: Is that fair? That's that's not true? Why I think? 804 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: I think'll know's it'll be hard to match two thousand 805 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: and seven as a failure. I mean, yes, but nineteen 806 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty eight, those are massive failures. 807 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: This one's so big. I don't know. 808 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: Two thousand and one was a huge failure. Twenty twenty 809 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: three was a pretty intense failure. 810 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: This one, like, it's just so bad they've been I 811 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: guess it's it feels less bad because we've now seen 812 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: three months of them being a bad baseball team. 813 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just about whether or not I think, 814 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: how are they so bad? 815 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: How is this team this bad? I can't Everything does 816 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: not point to this team being this bad. 817 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: Some things point to this team being this bad. 818 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: Some things, but. 819 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: No, Ballen's not very good. The rotation is not very good. 820 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: But the bullpens should be better. 821 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: The bullpens should be better. I wasn't I would that. 822 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: I could not have anticipated Ryan Helsley just tipping every 823 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: one of his pitches. That's a hand up. That's a 824 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: hand up on me. 825 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: I saw that coming. 826 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: That was fucking insane that that's happened. 827 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: I also didn't expect, like I. 828 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: Didn't expect Sean ma and Ia was saying, and give 829 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: us nothing in the second half, nothing at all, Yeah, 830 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 2: zero nothing. 831 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: I know, like we a lot of people give David 832 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: certain shit about Frankie Manta, so that Sean ma and 833 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: I contracts a million percent worse at this exact moment. 834 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: I think that's also the take I dropped from my 835 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: dad a couple episodes ago, where it's like that was 836 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: a situation where it's still David Stearns learning how to 837 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: operate in a big market. 838 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: Like a lot of people say David Searan's obsessed with 839 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: the small market. Those were big market signings. 840 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: Get he would have never signed traum and Iya to 841 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: the Brewers and the best. 842 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: He never looked at either of those guys walk down 843 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: there with Katana Nick. 844 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: That being said, I wanted Shamaniya back on this team. 845 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 2: I was a little I was a little more lukewarm 846 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 2: on I was fine. I just really thought he would. 847 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: Also, I think it's so obvious he's part Yeah, of course, 848 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: his arm slot is so different. And I don't know 849 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: if you know this is too Maybe you could take 850 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: a look and we can let the people know in 851 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: the next episode. Watch how he throws that sweeper verse 852 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: the fastball. I'm telling you, he's slowing down a ton. 853 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I could. I can probably find that while I'm 854 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: just filibustering here talking. But at the same time, it 855 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: does seem like this something I said before, he was 856 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 2: so dead set and coming back, like he had pressure 857 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: to help this team, like he knows he's like a leader, 858 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: like emotional, spiritual and also literally on the mound like 859 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: he like we talked, we can talk about a lot 860 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: of the reasons why the Mets got so hot and 861 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: made the run they had last year. He was one 862 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: of the biggest for that whole thing. Yes, and even 863 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: this game riders Swarezwi strikes out twelve bad is six 864 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 2: corre less indings showman, I kind of gets blown up 865 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: for five yder swarz on like it's one more swing 866 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: and missed the shamania. 867 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: How do you have twelve strikeouts? 868 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: I'd mean we just were taking bad swings left and right. 869 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: God, this team so frustrating. I don't know. I don't 870 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: want to talk about it anymore. Yeah deal, I'm good. 871 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: All right, that's it. Thank you for listening, Thank you 872 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: for watching. Make sure you subscribe to the mess of 873 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: podcast YouTube channel. See the video version of this Apple 874 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: podcast Spotify, Google. If you're listening to us, follow us 875 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: on social media at mess up on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. 876 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 2: Can follow James at James Shano. 877 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm Draftnick Bark with the CEE. Thank you guys for listening. 878 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for watching. We'll catch you at the end 879 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: of the Philly series. Maybe we win the next two. 880 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 2: I'll take one at this point. 881 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: We'll see see you guys. 882 00:34:27,080 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: That peace outs at the