1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Lie 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: presented by Coors Light right here on Giants dot Com. 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Lance Meadow, John Schmelk with you at two four or 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: five one three. It's all presented by cores Light. Download 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: the Coors Light rewards apt to an amazing Giants prizes 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: throughout the season. A happy Monday in East Weather for 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: New Jersey for the New York Football Giants their second 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: straight home victory. They defeat the Chicago Bears in overtime, 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: thirty to twenty seven Lands. It probably should have been 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: a little easier than it was, but they got there eventually, 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: and they come home with a win in a game 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: against the team that was in first place, that only 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: three losses before the day began, and an overall high 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: quality victory. Absolutely, John, I think that obviously, when you 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: have a ten point lead, you didn't think necessarily you're 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: gonna go to overtime under the circumstances. But what Pat 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: Shermer said in his postgame press conference, I think summed 18 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: it up. The resiliency of the team and the team's 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: ability to bounce back, specifically on the defensive side of 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: the ball, and Genera's Jenkins knocking the ball away on 21 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: that final fourth down play after the Bears really had 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: their way with the Giants defense in the fourth quarter, 23 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: John moving the ball up and down the field like 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: it was nothing and getting themselves in position to get 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: the field goal, quickly recover the on side kick and 26 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: then get the touch now. And it was nice to 27 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: see the defensive unit bounce back. I think it overtime 28 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: to make those necessarily plays. You know, this was a 29 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Bears defense that was very stingy and stopping the run, 30 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: and the Giants, you know, the numbers in terms of 31 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: yards per carry don't jump off the page, but at 32 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: least able to consistently run the ball in the second half. 33 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: So that was I think a big positive from an 34 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: offensive standpoint. And the takeaways, of course, it's not a surprise. 35 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: We've said this every single week. The Giants are four 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: and one this season. When they win, turnover differential goes 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: hand in hand because this team has issues which have 38 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: been well documented over the course of the season. But 39 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: when they take away the ball and they change field 40 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: position and they scored touchdowns John, which they did again, 41 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: it covers up and protects them from having some of 42 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: those other issues. Exposed lance. In every game where they've 43 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: been plus two or better, they've won. Is that simple. 44 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: The one in they lost, I believe there were plus 45 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: one in if that's correct. Correct, So when they're plus two, 46 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: are better their four? Now, Yeah, it's a simple formula. 47 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: And heading into this game, we thought and everyone else 48 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: did logically that it would be the opposite. The Bears 49 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: were the best team in the league in terms of 50 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 1: taking the ball away twenty nine takeaways, we were tied 51 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: for first and turnover differential at plus fourteen over the 52 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: course of the year, and you figured they would win 53 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: the takeaway battle, and that's what the Giants were gonna 54 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: lose the game. But the Giants won the takeaway battle 55 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: and that's why they won the football game. And as 56 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: many big plays that were in the second half, and 57 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that and I wrote about this and 58 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: cover three i'll see up on giants dot com later 59 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: on today. This game was one of the first half. 60 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: It was one of the first half. There were three 61 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: plays lands in this first half that made the difference 62 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: in the game that swung the game seventeen points. The 63 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: first was Yallagogel tree interception and turned for a touchdown 64 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: that turned into seven points where the Giants offense didn't 65 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: have to earn that at all. It was all ogletree. Okay. 66 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: The second one, which was a prey lude to what 67 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: would come later in the fourth quarter, Trei Cohen, burns 68 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: Land and Collins on a steam route out of the backfield, 69 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: has an easy touchdown. I looked at the all twenty 70 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: two and no one else was getting there. That's a score. 71 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: Alg Gultry comes over, makes an unbelievable one hand and interception, 72 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: takes seven points off the board. That's a fourteen point 73 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: swing right there. Okay. Then on what Pat Shermer termed 74 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: a give up play at the end of the first 75 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: half on the third and twenty three, which if i'm 76 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: the Giants actually tried to run the time out in 77 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: the half because it was third and twenty three. They're 78 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: in their own territory. The Bears called the time out 79 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: of the reason the Giants actually ran a play on 80 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: third down. Barkley runs for twenty two sets up a 81 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: fourth and one. I think the Bears and I thought 82 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: so too, Frankly thought the Giants at Thorhell Mary and said, 83 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: they complete a nine yard pass Rosa's that's a fifty 84 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: six yard kick. So those three plays lands two interceptions 85 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: by Ogletree and then a Barkley twenty two yard run 86 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: and to give up play swung the game seventeen points. 87 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: It could have easily been twenty one nothing at the 88 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: start of the second half. Now oviously Curtis ribably makes 89 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: that interception, then it turns into fourteen nothing instead of 90 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: twenty one nothing because the Bears turned that um possession 91 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: that could have stopped on that Riley drop pick uh 92 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: into a score. Even so, you're still looking at a 93 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: two or three score game if not for those three 94 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: big plays, and then the second half is completely different. 95 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: The Giants can't run the ball twenty two times in 96 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: the second half if they're down twenty one nothing. Heck, 97 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: they might not have be able to do it. The 98 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: fourteen nothing. That trick play might not work if it's 99 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: a two score game because the Bears are protecting against 100 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: the past. Instead it's only fourteen to ten, so they 101 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: have to worry about the run. So that trick play 102 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: with Beckham the Shepherd works. So those plays in the 103 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: first half, and that's why people say, oh, you know, 104 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: you gotta play well, when the game's on the line, 105 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: and when the plays are big, every play is big, 106 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: they add up, they add up, and if it wasn't 107 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: for those big plays in the first half, the second 108 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: half could never have gone the way it went. No, 109 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: I think it's a great point, especially in terms of 110 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: how game flow played out in strategy. And then if 111 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: you go back and you look at the difference between 112 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: the second half and the Eagles game and the set 113 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: at half in the Bears game, John look at all 114 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: the plays that they ran too in the second half, 115 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: noticed that there were many more opportunities and that's why 116 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: say Kwan Barkley, by the way, had more touches. They 117 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: had in the second half. They put together a thirteen 118 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: play sixt r drive, which to me was by far 119 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: one of their most impressive offensive possessions because they first 120 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: of all converted third downs, which was not necessarily pretty. 121 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: Over the course of the game, they were six of seventeen, 122 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: but they converted a third and four, They converted a 123 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: third and five. Now they got the incomplete pass on 124 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: third and goal on the one, but then they came 125 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: back and went for and on fourth and goal. That's 126 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: when Eli threw what was like a fade away jump 127 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: shot pass and old Dell caught it. But not those 128 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: numbers by far the most impressive drive third and four 129 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: and third and five. They were able to run the football, 130 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: and that to me was the big difference. Like this 131 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: was a mirror image of the game against Eagles, where 132 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: the offense worked the way I was supposed to in 133 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: the first half. They got away from what worked in 134 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: the second half and everything fell apart. Well in the 135 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Bears game, in the first half, I thought They're run 136 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: pass ratio was poor. I thought they should have ran 137 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: the ball more. In the first half. It was nineteen 138 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: Eli drop backs too. I believe seven se kwon Barkley runs. Yeah, 139 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 1: Eli got sacked twice, So nineteen drop backs for seven runs. 140 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: That's not the balance you want if you're the Giants. 141 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: And it's not only Barkley was getting stopped for losses either. Now, 142 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: he wasn't running for a twenty yards, but he was 143 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: getting three yards to carry and third and four against 144 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: his Bears defense is fine, and he ran for seven 145 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: for forty three in the first half. But I'm gonna 146 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: take that twenty two yard run off the board, because, 147 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: like I said, that was a give up player wasn't 148 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: really in the flow of the game, so he was 149 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: really only six for twenty one in that first half. 150 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: Now three and a half yards per carry. Whoop. They 151 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: do well against the Bears defense that was second best 152 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: in the league. That's pretty good. And they weren't negative 153 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: plays mixed in there. It was consistently you know, two yards, 154 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: three yards, in four yards and that's fine, that's okay. 155 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: And I didn't like the way they kind of got 156 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: away from that. And they were in shotgun a lot 157 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: more in the first half than they were for the 158 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: second half. In the second half, they were under center 159 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot more. There was a lot more two tight ends, 160 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: there was a lot more fullback stuff and half number 161 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: two than there was half number one. They got back 162 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: to playing lands the way they had to play. If 163 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: you look at this first half summary, the offense was abysmal, 164 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: which is why those big plays were so important. Let 165 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: me take you through the drives in the first half. 166 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go through every play, but in the 167 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: first half, the Giants had seven possessions. Okay. In those 168 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: seven possessions, the Giants pumped it five times, were picked 169 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: off once, and had the late field goal and four 170 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 1: three and outs. Offense wasn't doing much of anything nothing, 171 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: but those plays saved him in. Then in the second 172 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: half they had a four place seventy five yard drive 173 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: which was the the trick play thirteen for fifty two, 174 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: which one you reference that turned into the touchdown on 175 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: the throne of Beckham. And then the drive that I 176 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: think gets overlooked because it didn't end in the score. 177 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: The Giants got the ball back when to play in 178 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: the game, they held the ball for seven minutes and 179 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: when fifty three yards now, Eli takes a sack on 180 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: third down, which knocked them at a field goal range, 181 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: which is Pat Shermerstad. That's the game. Is a bad play. 182 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: I don't mind trying to pass the ball there and 183 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: getting the first down and not settling for the field 184 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: goal from forty seven yards, but you can't take a 185 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: sack there. You gotta stay in field goal range. You 186 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: have to, Okay, But that was another very good drive 187 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: with you use play action a lot. They threw to 188 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: the tight ends a lot of big personnel and they 189 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: ran play action out of that, which is kind of 190 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: what's been working during this winning streak. And those three 191 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: drives in the second half really made the difference because 192 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: there the three drives with four were only three plays 193 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: in a punt and four plays in the field. That 194 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: four play drive, by the way, yielded negative six yards. 195 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: They only pumped. They only pumped it twice in the 196 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: second half. That's pretty darn good against a good defense 197 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: in the Bears. Well, that's why I went back to 198 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: the difference between the Eagles and the Bears second halves. 199 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: I understand you said it's a reverse of the Philly game, 200 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: But the at bats were there, the opportunities were there, John, 201 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: and it's because they stay on the field. But that 202 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: was what they couldn't do in the Philadelphia games. So 203 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: you know when everybody starts looking at well, why the 204 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: touches go down? Because they had negative plays and negative 205 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: runs if you look through some of the drives we 206 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: just talked about. Yeah, there were some penalties in the 207 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: second half. I mean, I'm looking at there was a 208 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: penny holding call. So I'm not saying it was perfectly 209 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: clean football, But there were a lot less negative plays John, 210 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: in the second half against the Bears than there were 211 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: against the Eagles, which allowed them to face manageable third 212 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: downs so that it was suitable for their offense to 213 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: stay on the field. That to me was a huge difference. 214 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: And you know, you mentioned the game changing plays with 215 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: respect to the defense and Barklay's play, but I don't 216 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: think you could talk about the game without at least 217 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: acknowledging the job Aldrich Rosas did. Kicked the fifty seven 218 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: yard field goal, which is, by the way, the new 219 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: longest field goal make enfranchise history. And then a play 220 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: that didn't turn out to be a huge difference maker, 221 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: but Russell Shepherd to Antonio Hamilton's Zach Yossi to save 222 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: the ball from going into the end zone to get 223 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: touch back and down in it too. Two. You know, 224 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: those are the types of plays that have not necessarily 225 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: been consistently showcase over the last few years. And I 226 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: think special teams that started to be a bright spot 227 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: for the Giants. I know they didn't recover the onside kick, 228 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: and I get people are gonna at least focus on that, 229 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: But big picture perspective, the trend I see is I 230 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: they're getting production out of special teams. John and we 231 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: have not talked about that over the last few seasons. 232 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: Forget just this season kick return game has been good. Yeah, 233 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: they had to punt down on the one yard line, 234 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: which p happened right before the Teller Gabriel fumble which 235 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: turned into a Giant's field goal, which game a ten 236 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: point lead, which we thought had sealed the game with 237 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: one to play. UM. Overall, the defense lands, let's talk 238 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: about that a little bit. They held the Bears only 239 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: two or fifteen on third down, which is an excellent number. UM. 240 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: But at the end of the game, again, they gave 241 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: up some big plays when they could least afford it. 242 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: Uh Tarik Cohen had quite the day. Lyndon Collins had 243 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: some issues covering him out of the backfield and the 244 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: Bears got those two scores late and then aided by 245 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: some poor center quarterback snap snapping and catching u the 246 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: Giants got to stop in overtime. UM. But the defense, again, 247 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: it was kind of up and down early. They played well, 248 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: you know. Obviously they had some issues later when the 249 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: when the Bears committed to throw in the football, but 250 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: through into seven six yards given up. That's a lot 251 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: given up twenty seven points, that's a lot. But they 252 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: did enough to win the game in overtime well, and 253 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: then also the inability to stop the run consistently, John, 254 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: and that seems to be something that's rearing its ugly 255 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: head each and every week. We talked about that NonStop 256 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: Jordan Howard sixteen carry seventy six yards. He had a 257 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: big twenty five yard run. Toreo into your point did 258 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: really always damage as a receiver. But to them, the 259 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: Bears are looking at as an extension to the run game. 260 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: And like I said, takeaways, which are extremely flukey and unpredictable, 261 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: have done wonders for this Giant's defense. It is no 262 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: coincidence that in the last four games, three of them 263 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: they want turnover differential. All three of those games they won, 264 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: and all three of those games, John, you could argue 265 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: came down to the wire where it's a play here 266 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: or play there. The Niners game came down to the wire. Bucks. 267 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: They built a big lead, but then Tampa Bay had 268 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: an opportunity. Jameis Winston then threw the interception, and now 269 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: here we're talking about the Bears have an opportunity overtime 270 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: and generics Jenkins knocks it away. But the defense scored 271 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: points and had three takeaways. It has covered up the 272 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: issues that you just alluded to, and then I just 273 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: pointed out with respect to the inability to stop the run. Yeah, 274 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: and it's been a consistent trends here. Absolutely, And it's funny. 275 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: The first couple of drives actually a pretty good job 276 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: against the run. Cohen start the game for one. Um, 277 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: later on in the next drive, Uh, excuse me, Howard 278 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 1: went for four. Howard's first run of the game was 279 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: negative too, So they started against the run. I think 280 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: fairly well. Then it got worse than the game has 281 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: gone along, which is kind of what we've seen over 282 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: the course of the year. Um. But again, I think 283 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: the defense is a work in progress. George Jenkins, I 284 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: thought played a nice game in the first half of 285 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: the Dalvin Thomlinson played a nice game. Pat Shermer spoke today. 286 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: He said he thought Olivia Vernon played his best game 287 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: of the year. Um. And look, the defense made enough 288 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: plays and those takeaways really turned out to be everything 289 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: b W web had to strip late. We've mentioned the 290 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: two obl three interceptions. Um. The onside kick was a problem. Um, 291 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: it was just poorly executed. As Pat Schremer said today, 292 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: there was a miss block upfront and O'Dell trying to 293 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: slap the ball too forward from the sideline, doesn't try 294 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: to get the top of it. That's a problem. Um. 295 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: And then you had the big plays in overtime against 296 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: the defense. So um, some good, some bad. Um. There 297 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: are some things we could talk about that you want 298 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: to discuss. Of course the two, one four, five, one 299 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: three one other thing that I wanted to mention with 300 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: respect to the offense, and Russell Shepherd spoke about this 301 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: after the game play. UH certainly wanted to bring that up. 302 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: And I went back and after listening to what Russell 303 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: Shepherd had to say, John, I went back and I 304 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: looked at the play because I think what's very interesting 305 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: is he was not the intended target on the play. 306 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: He was actually supposed to block. And if you go back, 307 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: for our listening audience and our viewing audience, you should 308 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: go back and look at the instant replay that Fox 309 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: had on the clip that they've put up on social media, 310 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: because you can't really tell on the actual play at 311 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: full speed, John, but he's on the left side of 312 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: the field, he's in the slot, and he engages Khalil 313 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: Mack for a very split set briefly, very brief and 314 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: then goes right down the middle of the field, heads 315 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: off to the right, and Odell Beckham had enough time 316 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: and Shepherd basically was wide open. He could have back 317 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: pedaled into the end zone. Essentially, he was that open, 318 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: and he did. Actually he he basically did, because by 319 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: the time the defender came over, Shepherd was about a 320 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: step away from getting into the end zone. But those 321 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: are the types of plays that don't necessarily show up 322 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: in the box score, and it's important to emphasize it's 323 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: the cliche phrase about going above the xs and ohs. 324 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: It's ad libbing, which would be a phrase that we 325 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: used sometimes in this industry, going off script. Essentially, Shepherd 326 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: saw the defense, he made the adjustment. It wasn't necessarily 327 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: what the call was for, it wasn't what the play 328 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: was for. He made the adjustment and as a result 329 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: they were able to capitalize on that. And the player 330 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: who was supposed to block when after the running back, 331 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: which is why he didn't have to block him from 332 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: attacking Beckham on the end of round, and then he 333 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: just ran the route. I talked to him in the 334 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: locker room today. That's a strolling Shepherd play. But he 335 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: was out at that point with the ribbon jury and 336 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: by the way, gift strolling Shepherd credit for battling through 337 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: that ribb injury. He was in a lot of paying 338 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: the whole game and he had never run that before 339 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: in practice, so that was the first time he ever 340 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: ran the play and he goes down the field and 341 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: he makes the catch. We should also give them credit 342 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: to the offensive line, who I thought did a really 343 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: good job. And I think, you know, people only talk 344 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: about past protection. I think to me, the biggest jump 345 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: lance in this offensive lines play since the bye week 346 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: has been in the running game. And I think there's 347 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: so much better blocking in the running game, which is 348 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: why Sae Kwon Barkley has been able to run more decisively. 349 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: And give him credit to because he has changed his 350 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: running style a little bit. He's running a lot more 351 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: like in Hivitt Smith than he's like a Barry Sanders 352 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: spread that one placed in the first half when he 353 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: had to be Barry Sanders and have worked out. Um, 354 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: but they've played a lot better. Uh, They've getting a 355 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: lot more space in the running game. You're not having 356 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: those negative plays in the running game. And while I 357 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: think the design of the offense helps them in pass 358 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: protection when they've been asked to block on straight block 359 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: dropped backs, they've done a much better job on those two. 360 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: So I think you really have to tip your cap 361 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: to job they've done um over the course of the 362 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: last few weeks, and they the Giants would not have 363 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: won three or the last four if the offensive wines 364 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: play hadn't improved well. And to your point, look at 365 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: early in the season John against the Jaguars seven runs 366 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: for no gainer negative yards, five against the Cowboys of 367 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: that kind, six against the Texas, So the first three 368 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: weeks of the season, they had eighteen runs for nothing 369 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: or negative yardage. And then on the flip side, you 370 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: turn now to some of these games. After the buy 371 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: Niners Game four, Bucks game four two against the Eagles 372 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: went a little bit up against the Bear six, but 373 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily a killer because they had four runs 374 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: for ten yards or more, including the twenty two yard runs, 375 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: so they were able to get some of those explosive 376 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: runs on the ground. Than when you do that, you 377 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: can afford to have a run or two that goes 378 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the opposite way, and they were not getting those big 379 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: explosive runs consistently in the first half of the season, 380 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: and that's why the negative runs really jumped off the page. 381 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: They did, and give a lot of credit for that. 382 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: They did an excellent job. Um and Eli Manning, by 383 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: the way, And you never want to give a guy 384 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: credit for just drowing one interception because you don't want 385 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 1: any interceptions. But he started this game struggling. He had 386 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: a bad first half. Guys weren't getting open. He didn't 387 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: miss a couple open wide receivers. I thought he was 388 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: locked on the Beckham a little bit too much. Just 389 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: seven of seventeen for seventy three yards in that first half. 390 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: No touchdowns at a pick um. There were two other 391 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: passes that could have been intercepted that that weren't. And 392 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: he really struggled. I mean that that is it was 393 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: a rough two quarters of football. It looked like the 394 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: Bears are ready for what the Giants wanted to do, 395 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: but they settled down second half against this Bears defense. 396 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: Eli Manning was twelve of sixteen uh for about a 397 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: hundred yards, and those numbers don't jump off the page. 398 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: But he protected the football, he didn't turn it over. 399 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: The Giants moved the football thanks to see Kwan Barkley 400 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: who ran in the game, and in the second half 401 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: he ran for almost eighty yards. So give Manning credit 402 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: for staying in the game, playing well in that second half, 403 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: and keeping the Giants in the game and not making 404 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: that big mistake that the Bears are so good at 405 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: getting to help the Giants win the football game. Yeah, 406 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: I think the team overall, I would take it even 407 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: a step further. John, Clearly the quarterback is the most 408 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: important factor of protect the football. But I mean, let's 409 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: put things in perspective here. This Bears team had twenty 410 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: nine takeaways entering the game three, a game number one 411 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL. To only have one against this team, 412 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: for a team that has had its ups and downs 413 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: this season, I mean, that is a remarkable accomplish because 414 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: they did not give the Bears gifts. You know, most 415 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: of the points that the Bears got yesterday, Let's face it, 416 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: they had to put together seven eight play drives. They 417 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: had to go sixty some odd yards down the field. 418 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: If you go back to that late touchdown that ended 419 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: with the trick play. I mean, it wasn't as if 420 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: the Giants gave the Bears great tremendous field position. I 421 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: know that they had to get the on side kick, 422 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: but they still had to move the football a decent 423 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: amount of yardage to get in position for that, and 424 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: they were given a benefit of a I think dodgy 425 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: pass interference penalty in the ends of the high pass 426 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: where b W Webb was called for the pass interference. 427 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: That's fair. So with all that being said, you know 428 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: they had to earn that final touchdown. And like I said, 429 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: the Giants protecting the football was huge in this game 430 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: because they took the ball away and they didn't give 431 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: it back and therefore they got a plus two edge. 432 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: And this is the first time, by the way, the 433 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 1: Bears lost turnover differential battle. The entire season. They had 434 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: been even four times and they won all of their 435 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: other seven games. First time this season they were in 436 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: the negative in turnover difference. We want to remind you 437 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: that Big Blue Kick Golf Live is presented by coreps 438 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: Light download the Coors Light Awards. After an amazing Giants 439 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: prizes throughout the season. Let's get to the calls at two, one, nine, four, five, 440 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: one three. Jimmy up in rose Hill. He's calling him 441 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: from the bronze. What's up, Jimmy? Hey, guys, how are you. 442 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: What's up, buddy right, Jimmy, Well, if there's any Giant 443 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: fan out there isn't you know off the charts, excuse 444 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: me with this win yesterday. Is not a Giant fan. 445 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: I've been, as I've told you, guys off and I 446 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: went to my first game at fifty nine. We had 447 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: season tickets in sixty two. Uh to through the hell 448 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: of the game. Anyway, Um, you guys once again did 449 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: a great job. He took you probably touched on all 450 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: my points. But anyway, as I was going through the game, 451 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: I got this list of things. You know that as 452 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there watching and just writing down all these notes, 453 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: and all these things in my notes, you guys have covered. 454 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: So I want to flip to something that Sherman said 455 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: in his press confidence about about culture and changing it. 456 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: And I think Giant fans can feel pretty confident that. 457 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: I think that's that's what's being built here. And we've 458 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: seen spick of spots of it in the whole second 459 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: half of the season. These guys aren't done yet. They're 460 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: building a rosters. I'm watching that game yesterday. You know 461 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know what you know someone talked 462 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: earlier about Eli Heli has got a good game going. 463 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: But you know what, gentleman, is not going to reach 464 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: for a quarterback in the and it's not gonna reach 465 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: for a quarterback in the draft. We imagine if we 466 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: had a pass rusher in that game yesterday, half of 467 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: all this stuff that we're talking about, you know, in 468 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: terms of a while finish probably wouldn't happen. And I 469 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: know they put some nice pressure. They had five times 470 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: in those had um when coverage a little bit too 471 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: much time to Toby. But there was nothing negative about 472 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: yesterday at all. But I think what what captured it 473 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: for me as a long long time Giants fan, was 474 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: here in Sherman be talking about changing, changing the culture, toughness, resiliency. 475 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: If you know anything at all about a football team, 476 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: you can't begin to get better until you have players 477 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: that encompass that um, that attribute. Jimmy, and here's the thing, 478 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: and absolutely anything at all. Yeah, it doesn't happen overnight either. 479 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: That's not something that coaching in the summer and flip 480 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: a switch and say all right now we're gonna be tough. No, no, 481 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: you have to weed out the guys that aren't gonna work. 482 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: You have to make sure, you know, you deliver that 483 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: message every week, every week, every week until it becomes 484 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: ingrained them. And once it does, that's when the culture 485 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: has changed. And I talked to Russell Shepard today in 486 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the locker room and in the same interview see on 487 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: Giant dot com probably tomorrow where he talked about the 488 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: trick play. He also talked about how winning games like 489 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: this can reestablish the culture. Learning how to win is 490 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: every group of players has to win a different way. 491 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: No one wins the same way as somebody else, so 492 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: it takes some time to figure out how to win 493 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: and and to to to persevere and get through the 494 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: bad stuff and stick with it. And I think you're 495 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: seeing this team start to do those types of things now, 496 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: which is why when fans say, oh, we don't want 497 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: to win, we don't care, you know, I think for 498 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: a football team is different. This isn't the n b A, right, 499 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: this is the NFL where a lot of those intangible 500 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: things do matter. So I think it is important and 501 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: I think they will try to win games the rest 502 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: of the way. Yeah, and John, I mean, just you know, 503 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: just again, de follow up on that point, when you 504 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: look at when you take the eleven and five playoff 505 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: season out of the Giants over the last five or 506 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: six years, good and and and so you know they've 507 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: got to they've got to rebuild. I got guys like 508 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: Thomas Shepard. These are the types of guys Ogletree. I 509 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: know he's had his ups and downs, but these are 510 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: the types of guys that when the when the the 511 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: Giant team is at the stage of its rebuilding, that 512 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: it is you gained nothing by losing these games, nothing 513 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: at all. Position Jimmy, you also have to I think 514 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: the other thing you got, Jimmy, well before you do that. 515 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: The other thing you have to understand is that when 516 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: you look at the makeup of this roster, there is 517 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: a young roster. So when when people talk about how 518 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: well these guys are just gonna go out and go 519 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: through the motions and lose games, nobody on this roster, 520 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: for the most part, even a guy like Russell Shepherd, 521 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: who has been on a variety of teams, can say, 522 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to come back next season. I have 523 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: a roster spot reserved. So when you have a roster 524 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: made up of that, I think it's very easy for 525 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: these guys to go out. They don't care about the record. 526 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: They're gonna go out, They're gonna execute because they know 527 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: their jobs are on the line. So that's why I 528 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: really never really thought that was a concern for this roster. 529 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: If you have a bunch of veterans who have been 530 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: in the league for you know, fifteen years, and yeah, 531 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: you could say maybe they're gonna check out the last 532 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: five games. There's a relatively young roster for the most part, 533 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: and that's why it's and that's why is I think 534 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: either you guys mentioned it or Bob Papa mentioned it 535 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: last night. There's only sixteen guys, seventeen guys that are 536 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: on there on his roster last year. So these all 537 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: these fans that talked about how this thing has to 538 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: be blown up and and there's nothing to be gained 539 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: by winning these games, Gentleman Chuma, this regime, they had 540 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: blown it up, and there's every reason to believe that 541 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: that there. Look, there will be some different guys next year, 542 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: but what they're finding at now by winning is, you know, 543 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: maybe we got some of these guys already on the 544 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: on the team. I thought b J hill Um, that's 545 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: the guy I want to talk about b J. Hill. 546 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: I mean, he really jumped out at me. He's a rookie, 547 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: he's had it. He too has had his ups and downs. 548 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: But I thought he just flashed yesterday and from that technique, 549 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: that that three techniqu to be doing that, and I 550 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: think that's his development. I think is a real positive. 551 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: And I'd like to hear what you guys think about 552 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: his season and also how he played yesterday. Thank you, Jim. 553 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. Look like three success, can't You 554 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: can't get upset about that. Um. I think a lot 555 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: of them are the covered variety of the other one. 556 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: The guy just decided not to block him in your 557 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: hands tread. Sometimes you gotta take those places and you 558 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: take him. Um. Look, I think b J. Hill is 559 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: a good player. He's solid, he's a professional, he looks 560 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: like an NFL player. He's a good kid. He's gonna 561 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: work hard. Um, there's still things from the work on 562 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: to be more consistent pass rusher, to get penetration, but 563 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: lance for third round pick from the start and be 564 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: as solid as he's been, you can't complain about that. Great. 565 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean, he's shown flashes before 566 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: in the first half of the season, you know, play 567 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: here or they're a sack here there. Yesterday seemed to 568 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: be the game where you saw a little bit more consistency, 569 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: and to your point, Johnny took advantage of his opportunities, 570 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: and that's a big part of football. Lorenzo Carter, I think, 571 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: is in the same boat. He was inactive yesterday, but 572 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: he's also he was injured. Yeah, he was injured. He 573 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: was he was hurt. That's why he was scrapped. He 574 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: has shown flashes and you know, you want to also 575 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: see him now put together games, assuming he gets back 576 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: to full health. Where you get two sacks, you get 577 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: a number of key stops in terms of stopping the run. 578 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: Because the one thing I will say is the Niners 579 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: game with someone of a turning point talk about the 580 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: development of some of these young defensive lineman john that 581 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: was the game where they said, Lorenzo, we're gonna put 582 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: you out in coverage and we're gonna expect you to 583 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 1: make plays. And to his credit, he made plays. He 584 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: was really outstanding when they were bringing the running back 585 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: out of the backfield and Carter was lined up. So 586 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: those are things that you want to see they're encouraging 587 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: to show that the coaching staff is developing these players 588 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: and they have confidence that they could put them in 589 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: those positions. But like any young player flash here there 590 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: is great In order to be reliable in this league, 591 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: you can't just be a flash guy. You've got to 592 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: be a guy that could stack together a group of games. 593 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: And I think both of them are trending in the 594 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: right direction, which is all you can ask for for 595 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: a pair of third round picks to do in year 596 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: number one. He's a starter, He's I'm he's a starter 597 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: in the NFL. How good of a starter he'll be 598 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: you will see. But he's certainly is starting caliber player 599 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And if you get down in the 600 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: third round, you can't complain well, And the consistency is 601 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: going to determine John what type of his daughter he's 602 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: gonna be down the road five one three, Billy in Middletown, 603 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: New Jersey. He's on next day, Billy. Hey, John, how 604 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: you guys, what do you got for us? Hey? John? 605 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: You touched on in a little bit, uh offensive line 606 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: blocking for sake? Kwon Just wow, I mean just wow. 607 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: It was great. Yeah, And it started slow to Billy. 608 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: They're only getting to three yards of pop in the 609 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: first half, but that's fine. The second half you keep 610 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: at it and and you know what, you and you 611 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: start getting four or five six in the second half. 612 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: And that's why they were able to come back in 613 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: this game and win. And it's not just that the 614 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: fact that Eli isn't in a hospital today from what 615 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: Kalil Mack was supposed to do to him. I mean, 616 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: those guys all get a game ball for that. So yeah, 617 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, and it's not just Khalil Mack, by the way, 618 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: I mean, think about some of the other person know 619 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: that they have a chem Hicks. Did you feel a 620 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: chem Hicks was a disruptive force yesterday? He did more 621 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: damage as a running back on the goal line than 622 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: he did necessarily on the defensive line. To write the game. 623 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: And you know, Lorenzo Floyd is another guy, Leonard Floyd. 624 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: Excuse me as I'm combining a giant and a bear together. 625 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: That's very creative on my part. Leonard Floyd's and other 626 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: disruptive player. You didn't really hear about him. You didn't 627 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: see him do much. So there's a lot of depth. 628 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent on that front, and I 629 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: thought the fact that they contained them kept them quiet. 630 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Does to your points speak volumes of the Giants offensive line? Hey, 631 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: what do you think they're saying in Chicago tonight? Do 632 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: you think? Uh? I know, if I was in Chicago 633 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: and I was a beston, I'd be like, you guys, 634 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: look past the Giants, didn't Chick. I don't know about that. 635 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: You know. I listened to Matt Nike's press conference, I 636 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: listened to Chase Daniel and Maggie was actually asked that 637 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: very question because I think it's easy to turn to 638 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: you got a three and eight team against an eight 639 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: and three team. I just think the Giants deserve credit 640 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: for executing on things that perhaps they haven't done next 641 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: severally consistently throughout the course of the first half of 642 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: the season. And listen, if you're the Bears too. On 643 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: the flip side here, let's not dismiss the fact they 644 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: were down by ten with very little time left. They 645 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: fought their way back, and you know, things go right, 646 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: things go wrong, and over time there may be a 647 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: field goal away from perhaps walking away with the victory 648 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: after all that went wrong. So I mean the fact 649 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: that Chicago fought back in that game. I think they 650 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: deserve credit if anything, coming out of that contest. Uh 651 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: weather you know, to me, that's why, that's why they 652 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: had so many fumbles. That ball was pretty slick yesterday. 653 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: It didn't rain, but it was just enough to make 654 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: you miserable. No, absolutely, And look, I think and appreciate 655 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: the call. I think when you go into the game, 656 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: you would think conditions like that would hurt the Giants 657 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: because they have more like the big play guys and 658 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, control the bootball. The Bears are so good 659 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: at going after the football with that hurting the turnover category. 660 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: But I agree, I think the Bears with their fumbles 661 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: had troubles holding onto it with the snaps late. Uh 662 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: you the big Tyler Gabriel fumble, So yeah, I agree. 663 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: I think I think that did play somewhat of a 664 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: role here. And the Bears did lose the ball a 665 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: few times, they happened to recover it themselves, uh, to 666 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: save them from more turnovers in the game. Two of 667 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: the guys I want to bring up that they'll play 668 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: real well as Red Ellison and Scott Simonson. Ellison had 669 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,719 Speaker 1: to come out of the game a little bit with 670 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: an injury win right back in. But Simons and I 671 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: thought did a good job blocking. So to Red Ellison 672 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: the run game, Simonson a nice pancake block on Cleil 673 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: Mac on a run, which is something called banks will 674 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: break down and strategy that will be up on Giants 675 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: dot Com later during the day. And I think those 676 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: two guys with Evan Ingram out, you know, not gonna 677 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: be flashy as wide receivers and and go out there 678 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: and catch a billion balls and you know, run past people. 679 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: But for what they've been asked to do, I think 680 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: they've done a pretty darn good job, especially with Evan 681 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: Ingram out. Now you want some production from that position. 682 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: And what Scott Simonson and Red Ellison didn't Ellison remember 683 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: did that against the Eagles too. Yeah, he was productive. John. 684 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: There's now two straight weeks where he's made some plays, 685 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: he's gotten some yak yardage, which is encouraging as well. 686 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: The point that the last caller, Billy brought up with 687 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: respect to the whether I think it impacted and you 688 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: alluded to this earlier, John, the bear is much more 689 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: so than it impacted the Giants because of that final 690 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: drive in overtime where Cody white Hair. Their center just 691 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: did not seem to be on the same page where 692 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: Chase Daniel and maybe that is a reflection of and 693 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: this is, by the way, I'm gonna wrap this around 694 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: to what Pat Shermer's brought up why Alex Tanney was 695 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: mainly the backup earlier in the season, Because you want 696 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 1: to have a backup quarterback that can step in with 697 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: very few reps and be able to run the offense. 698 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: And Chase Daniel fits that criteria. But the negative is 699 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: when you are not taking snaps and you're not on 700 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: the same page with the center, and you've got weather issues, 701 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: this is where you're run into problems. And I think 702 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: the Bears saw that, at least in overtime, because you know, 703 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: there were times where Daniel had to run jump on 704 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: the football and they could have got maybe two or 705 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: three yards moving forward as opposed to go in five 706 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: yards backwards. And that clearly changes down in distance when 707 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: you get to third down situations to a one four 708 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: or five on three. Let's go to line to Dave 709 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: Atticus in the Poconos, He's on next. It's not bad. 710 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: I guess say, guys, how are you doing today? Doing great, 711 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: what's up? Alright? So is that that game yesterday? And uh, 712 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: I tell you the way it started off, it was 713 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: everything that you thought the Bears would bring to us. 714 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: It was punt, punt, punt, interception, punt, punt. It was 715 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: really rough to sit through, especially while you're getting wet 716 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: in the stands. But the Giants did enough. And let 717 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: me tell you the offensive line, you guys touched on it. 718 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: They did a great job of keeping eliman and upright 719 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: for the most part. I mean, they got three sacks 720 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: on them, but our guys got five sacks on air quarterback, 721 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: So we beat that battle in that regard, which was 722 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: pretty nice to see. Um. But I tell you, man, 723 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: you know we won that game. And I'm sitting here 724 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: and I'm saying to myself, like, who are we right? Who? 725 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: Who is the New York Football Giants? What is their identity? 726 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: Pat Shermer and the post game um Um speech to 727 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: the players in the locker room he talked about and 728 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: I love what the other guy brought up, um who 729 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: called a couple of callers ago talking about the culture, 730 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: and I was I was wondering, what are we trying 731 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: to do? Where are we trying to go, um who, 732 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: what is our identity? What do other teams see when 733 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: they look at the Giants? And I think that Pratt 734 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: Shermer really gave us a peek into the window of 735 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: what they're looking for. They're looking for a culture that 736 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: they're trying to develop this year, not necessarily looking towards 737 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: the draft in another quarterback. I honestly don't think that 738 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: they're too thrilled about anybody other than Bosa coming out, 739 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: but because we desperately need a pass rush, well, I 740 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: think it's real quick. There are a slew of really 741 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: good pass rushers out of you coming out in this draft. 742 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: It's not just Nick Bosa, and they don't even know 743 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: where they gotta pick, so I don't know how they 744 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: could be. Yeah, I agree. I wasn't trying to minimize 745 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: any of the other um um guys that are going 746 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: to be coming out, but he's the big name that's 747 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: out there. That's why I brought him up. But I 748 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: just really don't think that we're looking towards replacing or 749 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: find an Eli's replacement next year. I mean, they've taken 750 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: a look at Herbert, who hasn't even declared. Will Greer 751 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: from what I'm here and won't even transition well to 752 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: the NFL. He's putting up great numbers. I don't know. 753 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: He might two is the biggest hot prospect, but he's 754 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: another year away. I think that we're they're looking to 755 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: build the line, develop the culture. I'm talking line on 756 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. Maybe pick up some help 757 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: in the secondary next year and stick with Eli because listen, 758 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: you know Eli's got his problems. Just like any other 759 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: player in the National Football League. You're going to go 760 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: up against National Football League talent. Yesterday was was by far, 761 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: in my opinion, his worst game of the year. But 762 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: look who he was playing against, the number one rated 763 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: defense in the league, and he was still able to 764 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: muster up enough points with the help of sake Kwon 765 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: Barkley of course, and and some some some gratuitous passes 766 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: by Chase Daniel to allow us to score on defense. 767 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: But we did enough to win a game against the 768 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: number one defensively, not to mention Safan put up over 769 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: a hundred yards and Russians. So I think we're looking 770 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,959 Speaker 1: for two years down the road as opposed to next year, 771 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: which is what you hear a lot of the chatter 772 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: and people talk, well, yeah, I think it's real quick. 773 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: Here's how I look at it. Look, he's gonna be 774 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: thirty eight next year. He's in the last year of 775 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: his contract, right, so I think you're always on the 776 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: lookout for who could be the next guy. But since 777 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: they controls rights for one more year, you don't have 778 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: that we have to get one this offseason type of 779 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: attitude because you do have one more year if you 780 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: want to have him here. So, um, they have their 781 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: eyes open. They'll keep their eyes open. They will try 782 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: to find that next guy, but it doesn't have to 783 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: be this offseason if they don't find the right piece 784 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: that fits the way they wanted to. And I don't 785 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: think they're looking there. I don't think they have seen 786 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: anything to make them feel like that next guy is 787 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: there and next year's draft and they're comfortable with playing 788 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: Eli man and because he listens. Statistically, he's playing one 789 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: of the best years of his career here, I mean, 790 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: he's got the highest completion percentage, and the fact that 791 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: he's been sacked as many times as he has, I 792 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: think he leaves the league and being sacked at this point, well, 793 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: Dak Dak Prescott's actually up there too. I didn't necessarily 794 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: look at what the totals are, but Dallas after they 795 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: played Thursday night. Believe it or not, Dak is up there. 796 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: He's over forty so so mobile how does he get sucked? 797 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: Don't get me started with that narrative. I think I've 798 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: said enough about that. But but real quickly out of 799 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: guess the only place that I'm gonna disagree with you 800 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the draft philosophy that I think we 801 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: gotta be careful. Remember, the draft is not just for 802 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. The draft is to get players that 803 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: you could build around for four to five years. I 804 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: mean they looked at sa Kwan Barkley and not as 805 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: a guy that is just gonna rent for two thousand 806 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 1: eighteen and he's gonna help the running game. They expect 807 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: s Kuon Barkley to be a franchise changing type of players. 808 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: So where I disagree with you is just because they're 809 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: confident in ELI doesn't mean that it should prevent them 810 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: from looking for his success. And secondly, and you're entitled 811 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: to your opinion aticuts, so I'm not taking that away 812 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: from you, but I don't think there's anything that we've 813 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: seen just because Eli has been on the field that 814 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: says that the front office is not excited about any 815 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this year's draft class. I don't know that 816 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: that's just me. I've got no inkling whatsoever, John, And 817 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: maybe you disagree with me. Just because they've put Eli 818 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: out there and they're now putting together some productive games, 819 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: that that means that they're absolutely down on every quarterback 820 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: coming out of the draft is here or guys on 821 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: their roster. I've seen nothing to indicate that, so I 822 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: appreciate the call is always to a one four or 823 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: five on three. Let's go to Scott New Mexico. He's 824 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: up next, Scottie. Do hi, guys, Scott, Scott, question for you, 825 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: because so many Giants contributed to this victory in so 826 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: many different ways, do you consider this the signature win 827 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: for the season thus far? And if so, can the 828 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: Giants use what they learned in this game as they 829 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: approached the Washington game next week? Or is it, as 830 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 1: Lance you'd like to say, it's a week to week 831 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: league and we can't take what happened in the Chicago 832 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: game and apply it to the game. And Scott, here's 833 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: the thing, though, I think it's the same lessons we've 834 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: already learned. They simply applied what me and LANs have 835 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: talked about all year here and there are other wins 836 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: when they ran the ball well, they took the ball 837 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 1: away from the other team, and they protected the football 838 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: and they didn't get into a situation where elied to 839 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: throw the ball fifty times. Those are the games the 840 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: Giants have won this year. That's the trend. As far 841 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: as what you're indicating, Scott, I don't think it's so 842 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: much the lesson because I think John summarized it beautifully. 843 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: I think you're indicating is this a sign of that 844 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: momentum is going to start to build? Now? We could 845 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: have had this conversation, Scott after the Bucks game. You 846 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: could have asked me the same exact question. I would say, Yeah, 847 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: I think there's some encouraging signs. The Giants are finding 848 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: ways to finish games, close out games. There's still defensive 849 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: issues even after that Bucks game, and the offense is 850 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: still in consistent half to half. And then we looked 851 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: at the Philadelphia game and the offense jumped out to 852 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: a strong start and then they didn't find a way 853 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: to close out that game. So I'm not trying to 854 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: be a Debbie Downer here. You took the words right 855 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: out of the mouth. I've always said it's a week 856 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: to week league. I mean, who would have thought Dallas 857 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: would have completely shut down Drew Brees and company like that? 858 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: I mean things, Look at the Jaguar shot out the 859 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: Colts yesterday when the Colts thought, you know, they turned 860 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: things around, they were an offensive juggernaut and Jacksonville had 861 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: no answers on defense the last seven games. So I'm 862 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: not I just I don't buy in the fact that 863 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: just because how you finish one game means you're automatically 864 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: going to carry that over into the next Arizona one 865 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: in Green Bay another example. It's just it's such a 866 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: wacky league, such a wacky League's gun. Yeah. Oh, one 867 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: question I wanted to ask. I don't know if you 868 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: have the statistics there of how many times the Giants 869 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: blitz yesterday, But I think I talked to you on Friday, 870 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: John about I thought they needed to get pressure on 871 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: Jase Daniels and they seemed to do it through the blitz, 872 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: and I was wondering, Uh, is that a pattern that 873 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: they can continue with? Because I think when they went 874 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,959 Speaker 1: more standard defense, they seemed to get burned a little 875 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: bit more. So I was wondering if if that's actually 876 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: backed up by what happened in the game, Scott, I 877 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: have not watched the game on tape from defense yet. 878 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: I watched the offense this morning. Then we have media 879 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: availabilities that I I have not watched the defense yet. So 880 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: I cannot honestly give you a good answer to that question. 881 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: But I can tell you tomorrow after I look at 882 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: the tape. Okay, I appreciate you, guys. Thanks again. I 883 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: will tell you this. On that last play when Genor 884 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: Jenkins broke it up, they brought the house on that 885 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: play they were in zero coverage. Oh yeah, they brought 886 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: the wolves and they set attack, and you know, Daniel 887 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: got rid of the ball as a result of that, 888 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: and Jenkins was in prime position. I don't remember on 889 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: much of just off the top of my head, John, 890 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: most of the plays that Tarik Cohen got up the sideline, 891 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't remember Chase Daniel seeing a lot of pressure 892 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: in his face. I don't remember. I have to look Okay, No, 893 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like I said, I'm just going off the 894 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: top of my head. I just think it was a 895 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 1: matter of Cohen is very fast, he got a favorable 896 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,919 Speaker 1: match up, and I am not surprised by the way 897 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: that the Bears continued in the second half. Their philosophy was, 898 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: we're gonna match up Toreck Cohen on a safety in 899 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,760 Speaker 1: Landon Collins, We're gonna match him up on a linebacker. 900 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna match him up in a corner. Hell, we 901 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: don't care who you put on Trekohen, you run down 902 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 1: the field, Trek, We're gonna get you the ball. Because 903 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: they were running very similar plays, and to Tarik Cohen's credit, 904 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: Chase Daniel put the ball in the perfect position, he 905 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: made the play, and the rest is history. As we 906 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,320 Speaker 1: saw on that comeback, he was their top weapon period, 907 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,479 Speaker 1: whether it be the running back or the receiver. Who 908 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: else do you pick out of the Bears personnel, And 909 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: they didn't have necessarily the who's who have receivers to 910 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: begin with John, but I mean who else was a 911 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: disruptive force on offense. Jordan Howard had a few big runs. 912 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: Allen Robinson had that great thirty yard catch which I 913 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: don't know still how he hauled that in right off 914 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: a b WB's helmet. Taylor Gabriel had the fumble. That's 915 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 1: what jumps out to me about him. Anthony Miller was silent. 916 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: Trey Burden ca okay, so it was Trek Cohen. That's 917 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: why the Bears basically said, New York. Until you find 918 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: a way to slow down tri Cohen, we're gonna con 919 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: hinue to feed him the football period four five three. 920 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: Feeling about this, Hellelujah, been so long since you had 921 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: to miss the illness listen jokes. I am happy this 922 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: precious twenty seconds of airtime right here that we're wasting. 923 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: Just want the public to know that, Hi, hey guys, 924 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: how yes, you said off the top of your head, 925 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: but that's not too high, is it? What in terms 926 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: of blitz opportunities and he put his dead you're short 927 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,919 Speaker 1: because off the top that went right over my head. 928 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: That line is not hard, which is not hard to do. 929 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: But now that we continue the puns rolling off our tongues, 930 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: what else would you like to add to the discussion today? 931 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to take this 932 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: flip this a little bit. Okay, what would have happened 933 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: if we had lost this game? Oh? It would be 934 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: hell on Earth today? I'm it would have big book 935 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: kick off live. It would be calling for will Beattie 936 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: to return to the team. That's what would be had, 937 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: and I would have a team of people look at it. 938 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: It's like Riley had a surefire interception. You're right, you 939 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: know what. I totally forgot to bring that. I might 940 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: have mentioned it briefly that that was a really really, 941 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,439 Speaker 1: really really bad And then on that on side kick, 942 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: everybody's looking at Odell, but it was Riley by him 943 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: and he was looking the other way. Well, I think 944 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: he was usually the guys in the front line, charliey 945 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 1: is supposed to block. So while he didn't go after 946 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: the ball, I think his bigger hour was that he 947 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: didn't block the guy he was supposed to block, which 948 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: is why he crashed out on the football before O'Dell 949 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 1: managed to get down there. And then we had twelve 950 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: penalties for over a hundred yards. I'm glad you brought 951 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: that up. That's points let them have touchdowns because they kept, 952 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, giving him fifteen yard penalties. And and Simonson 953 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: you said had a good game, but he really didn't. 954 00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 1: He penalties holding penalties. One was on special teams, and 955 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: many had two others, two on defense, one on specials. 956 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: You're right, You're right. It was just I mean, this 957 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: is what we'd be talking about. How do you let 958 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: a team come back in a minute in seconds to 959 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: score ten points? And Charlie, no, I agree with you. 960 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 1: But that's why when John and I were recalling the game, 961 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: you can't dismiss the fact that takeaways, I've said this 962 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: have been covering up some of the issues. So I'm well, 963 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you. One they won the game, 964 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,240 Speaker 1: but Anders the first person that says he hates victory. 965 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: Monday's right. He's been quoted as saying that. Why because 966 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: he wants to come into the film room after a 967 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: victory and be very hard on the film and say, guys, 968 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: we got plenty more to clean up. And the penalties 969 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 1: and the defensive breakdowns are two things that reared their 970 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: ugly head again. Despite the fact the team won, they 971 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: had a season I twelve penalties, Charlie. They had double 972 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: digit penalties in three of their last five games because 973 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: they had two games with eleven. So yes, that is 974 00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: an ongoing trend, there's no doubt about that. And then 975 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: and then you have a quarterback who can't catch the 976 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: snap about three four times and you know what I mean. 977 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: So that helped us a lot. But I mean, I'm 978 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 1: so glad we want and then you had you know, uh, 979 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't sound like it. It's refreshing for 980 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: you to make that claim. But anyway, go ahead that 981 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: you're actually touchdown pass. He said, you know what, It's 982 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: funny on that play, it looked like when he came 983 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 1: out and when he kind of passed the defensive back, 984 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: it looked to me like he slowed down a little bit, 985 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: and I was wondering why he would do that. Um, 986 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: And I think the reason he slowed down because when 987 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: he broke open and he looked up, he probably didn't 988 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: pick the ball right away, which is why he kind 989 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: of took those two or three steps where he kind 990 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: of glided instead of running hard. The ball still hit 991 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: him in the hands. Catch the damn ball. And by 992 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,359 Speaker 1: the way, I also want to say this to give 993 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: Starring Shepherd credit. He played with bad ribs that whole game, 994 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: and you could tell every time he went down he 995 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: was grabbing and clutch and he played through some pain. 996 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,919 Speaker 1: So you gotta while you give him all you want 997 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: for dropping that pass and then zilling. It's fair game. 998 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: Give him credit for playing through the pain with the 999 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: bad ribs. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean he he got 1000 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: it it out, and there were some other guys who 1001 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 1: got it out. I mean it was a great win. 1002 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, man, if we had lost that game, 1003 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: it would have oh my god, it would have never 1004 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: That would have been like the Philadelphia DeShawn Jackson U punt, 1005 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,799 Speaker 1: you know in a return. That would have been one 1006 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: of those type of games. But hey, we won. We 1007 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: played against a great team, a great defense, which I 1008 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 1: didn't think they were that great anyway, you guys kept saying, oh, 1009 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: there's the great greatest defense, and I just thought we 1010 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,760 Speaker 1: we we would worked well against them for some reason, 1011 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,720 Speaker 1: and actually we did, and uh we had more sacks 1012 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: than they had. Ah. Man, I should have bet you 1013 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: guys on that one. Yeah you would have won. Yeah 1014 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: you would have received lobsters in return. Yeah. But anyway, 1015 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 1: it was a great game. I mean, you know, my 1016 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: heart was pounded, and I'm going on, I don't know. 1017 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: I just felt we were going to win in and 1018 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: over time for some reason with us. When we got 1019 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: the coin toss, I said now Eli is playing well, 1020 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: We're moving the ball, you know, I think we're gonna win. 1021 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: It's probably Eli. Eli didn't play like really well. He 1022 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 1: just I think, first of all, in the first half 1023 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: he played poorly. Okay, I don't think a lot of 1024 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: guys are open, but he didn't play well in the 1025 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: first half, and I hope be the first one to 1026 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: admit that, just like he didn't play well in the 1027 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,320 Speaker 1: second half of the Eagles game. But in the second 1028 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: half he played better against a really good defense, and 1029 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 1: he didn't make those big mistakes. And if Shepard would 1030 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: have caught that deep touchdown pass, his numbers will look 1031 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: a whole lot better. At a touchdown in forty yards 1032 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: to his totals another completion, his numbers look a lot 1033 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: more respectable. Yeah, and that touchdown passed to Beckham, I 1034 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: mean that, I mean he you know, he must have 1035 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: saw him in the last minute or he knew he 1036 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: was coming across, but he held onto the ball just 1037 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: as long as he could and just flung it and tack. 1038 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: It's amazing what happens when a guy gets a little 1039 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: extra time. Because if everybody recalls, Eli got destroyed for 1040 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: a play almost identical to that. I think it was 1041 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: against the Texans earlier in the year where the guy 1042 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: was bearing down on him and he just kind of 1043 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: floated the ball into the end zone and he overthrew 1044 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: Odell by about a foot or so. But he had 1045 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,240 Speaker 1: about a second or so less to make a decision 1046 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: on where to throw the past when it was incomplete, 1047 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: when he had a couple more seconds to play. Actually worked. 1048 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: It's funny how that works. Yeah, And the old line 1049 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: I think played really well up against a you know, 1050 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: hard front four in front seven. So I mean I think, 1051 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, and even Wheeler, I mean really gave up 1052 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: the sack, but I mean he didn't. He didn't, you know, 1053 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,240 Speaker 1: he didn't hear his name a lot um. He didn't 1054 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: have a penalty, I don't think. I don't know. He 1055 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: might have, but I don't recall that he even had 1056 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: a penalty holding or false start or whatever. Soldier I 1057 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: don't believe had a penalty. Yeah, And so you know, 1058 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: they're getting better. You know, the old line is getting better. 1059 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: That's why you know, uh Eli is getting a little 1060 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: bit better. But the thing that was amazing is how 1061 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: they couldn't even run the ball in the first half 1062 00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they run on the ball. 1063 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: That can have you know, that's why you have to 1064 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: stay committed to it. Again, the first half wasn't a disaster. 1065 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: It's not like there again, negative one, zero and negative two. 1066 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: They were getting you know, three or so yards per carry, 1067 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: which is fine, but you stay with it, you keep 1068 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: padding the football. They were in a lot more heavy 1069 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: personnel in the second half, much more one with the 1070 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: fullback and one tight and one more twelve with two 1071 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: tight ends. And when they do that, they run the 1072 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: ball better than when they do in shotgun. They just 1073 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: do Yeah, And that's it's And that was the other thing. 1074 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,160 Speaker 1: If we had lost that game, we would have been 1075 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: talking about Sherman's decision on third and eight to pass 1076 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: the ball instead of have an ELI on the center 1077 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 1: and doing a play action or running Barkley. So we 1078 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: could have gotten that field goals at least trying for 1079 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: that field Yeah, yeah, Charlie, And you know that somebody 1080 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: and and our buddy Ben Ben big and Os who's 1081 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: one of our you know, callers, and he's on Twitter. 1082 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: He pointed out after the game, and you know, I 1083 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,839 Speaker 1: don't mind trying to get the first down there, but 1084 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: you have to make sure and Sherman said this after 1085 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: the game too. I'm not breaking any news that you 1086 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: can't take a sack there. You know, you can't get 1087 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: back yourself up a field goal range. I don't mind 1088 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: going for the first down, but you've got to make 1089 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: sure you get that you can't give up field position. 1090 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:12,919 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a no note right there because your decision. Yeah, 1091 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,280 Speaker 1: if they had gone on the center instead of shotgun, 1092 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,200 Speaker 1: the defense would have had a respect Barkley is the 1093 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 1: runner and that might have given them a little bit 1094 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,680 Speaker 1: more time to throw that pass, you know what I'm saying. 1095 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,799 Speaker 1: But anyway that that's neither here nor there. We won 1096 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 1: the game, thank god. Hey, we're gonna win the last 1097 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: four games. We got left, four games left. Yeah, we're 1098 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,919 Speaker 1: gonna be eight and eight and if everything goes right, 1099 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 1: we can win. The division is still so we'll see 1100 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: what happens. The reason it's still going to be very difficult, 1101 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: and I understand mathematically there alive and appreciate the phone 1102 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,800 Speaker 1: called Charlie is because you have to understand the divisional 1103 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: foes are going to be playing each other. So you 1104 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: know everybody's saying that, Well, if the Giants win out, 1105 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: But how do you envision a spot where everybody loses 1106 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: out outside of the Giants, Because the Eagles and the 1107 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,360 Speaker 1: Redskins are playing each other twice, and the Cowboys are 1108 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 1: gonna play the Eagles again, so the divisional foods are 1109 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,879 Speaker 1: gonna play each other. So Dallas, for example, which at 1110 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: this point, even if they lose out, they would get 1111 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 1: to nine games, so then the Giants technically could move 1112 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: past them. But in some of these other mathematical situations, 1113 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,319 Speaker 1: it's not that easy. My point being is because you 1114 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: still have other divisional games that you have to watch 1115 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: out for. It's not like the Washington, Philadelphia, and Dallas 1116 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,880 Speaker 1: teams all play completely different teams. They have some overlap, 1117 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,239 Speaker 1: so that's going to create some challenges at least from 1118 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,880 Speaker 1: the mathematical standpoint. The one outlier in there is Indianapolis. 1119 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 1: He was a much better offensive team than the defense 1120 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: and any but the other three teams are all pretty 1121 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: darn good defensive. The challenges don't go away. Lenn In 1122 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,080 Speaker 1: Colombia will be our clean up in here today and 1123 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 1: wrap up the show high Land. Hey guys, all right, 1124 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: Well that was fun, and uh, it's always fun. When 1125 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,799 Speaker 1: you win. But it was fun and an entertaining game. 1126 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 1: And hey, quick story, I left my seat with one left, 1127 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,440 Speaker 1: and you know that's in an import in time, because 1128 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,920 Speaker 1: that's when the Bears took over their own. By the 1129 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: time I got down the escalator to the plaza, the 1130 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 1: Bears were driving for a touchdown, and so I stopped, 1131 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: along with about a thousand other people to look at 1132 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 1: the tell screen. A lot of people outside watching watching 1133 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: the tel screen. Now, the bad thing about doing that 1134 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,760 Speaker 1: is you have no idea how much time is left 1135 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: because they don't flash the time on there they keeping, 1136 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: so you absolutely go crazy. But that that's the way 1137 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 1: I finished it up. I watched probably the last minute 1138 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: on that teil screen, and then of course the overtime 1139 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: on that tail screen, and was very happy to get 1140 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,720 Speaker 1: to the car and start my right home. Hey Lance, 1141 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,880 Speaker 1: you will um I think appreciate this in terms of 1142 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 1: the most overused word in the New York metropolitan area 1143 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: today culture culture. We're going to change the culture. Actually, 1144 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 1: Gentleman and Sherman had two big challenges coming into the season. 1145 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: I think one was to change the culture, and secondly 1146 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,959 Speaker 1: was to manage the transition at the quarterback position, and 1147 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: they're they're in the process of doing that, and I 1148 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 1: think they're doing a good probably doing a good job 1149 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,879 Speaker 1: with both of them. And here's the thing. They can 1150 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 1: try to change the culture, but the only people that 1151 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,240 Speaker 1: they implement a culture are the players. So the players 1152 00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: have to buy in, and they have to have the 1153 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: right players in here that are willing to buy into 1154 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: the culture they want to set. So that's really what 1155 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: it's all about. Yeah, I wanted to talk about that word, 1156 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 1: but maybe later in the week or if we have 1157 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 1: a little time at the end of this maybe I 1158 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:31,759 Speaker 1: can get back to it. I want to make sure 1159 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: we're all talking about the same thing with regard to 1160 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: that word and what it what it really means. But hey, 1161 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 1: a nice win and if if you know Sherman talked 1162 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,160 Speaker 1: about it a little bit. Part of the part of 1163 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: the change is, you know, showing the resiliency. And if 1164 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,799 Speaker 1: there's a guy who showed have been showing resiliency for 1165 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 1: fourteen years, came in and game out, the guy who 1166 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,760 Speaker 1: just stops thinking about the last play and starts thinking 1167 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,520 Speaker 1: about the next play almost immediately, and that's Eli first half. 1168 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,239 Speaker 1: The second half. ELI will probably tell you he could 1169 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: probably remember every player the first half, but it didn't 1170 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: impact him in any way. He just came back in 1171 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,359 Speaker 1: that second half and made some big, big throws. I mean, 1172 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: it was a terrific second half of rely And I 1173 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: think that's that's that's part of what we're that's part 1174 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,360 Speaker 1: of what we're looking for. We're you know, we're looking 1175 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,919 Speaker 1: for people. I know Sherman used the word you used. 1176 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,280 Speaker 1: He used the word resiliency. But and that's that's indeed 1177 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: part of it. But Eli was a big part of that. 1178 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,520 Speaker 1: And some other players contributed obviously too. Now glance, here's 1179 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 1: here's what I think you're gonna you're going to appreciate 1180 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: if we really want to see a change in culture 1181 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,279 Speaker 1: or not. Really not that this is the definitive thing, 1182 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,359 Speaker 1: but the next step. We gotta win this division game. 1183 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: We got to start changing our outlook on these division games. 1184 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: I think we took the most important thing to me 1185 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: yesterday that went over the Bears. We've now won two 1186 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 1: in a row at home. The people row at home. Guy. 1187 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: That's a big change, and I think that's part of 1188 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,360 Speaker 1: the that's part of the culture of the Sherman is 1189 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 1: looking for. When people come into that stadium. When other 1190 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: teams come into that stadium with those allowed mount fans 1191 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: are there's I don't care what team it is, they're 1192 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,200 Speaker 1: gonna leave that stadium knowing they've been in a fight. 1193 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: I think you've been in a battle, and I think 1194 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: the key here to land and land I'll be real 1195 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,400 Speaker 1: quick for you. Um. I think what you hope they 1196 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,879 Speaker 1: take out of this game, And I think a big 1197 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,799 Speaker 1: part of culture is closing out games, and I hope 1198 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: they take what happened in the fourth quarter to carry 1199 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,360 Speaker 1: it on and don't get mental about what happened at 1200 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,720 Speaker 1: the end of the fourth quarter. The overtime was good, 1201 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter was bad and reminiscent reminiscent of what 1202 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,600 Speaker 1: happened against either Eagles last week. So you have to 1203 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,880 Speaker 1: make sure you take the right lesson out of this game. Finishing. 1204 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean that has been an issue, but before before 1205 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,279 Speaker 1: part of it and just just kind of uh an 1206 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,680 Speaker 1: overall uh an overall definition or idea. What we're talking 1207 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: about out with culture is the way we do things here, guys. 1208 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,399 Speaker 1: This is the way we do it. We close out 1209 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 1: the games, we stayed tough, we went in home, we 1210 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: fight in the division, on the field, off the field, 1211 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,200 Speaker 1: it's just the whole definition of who we are and 1212 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,960 Speaker 1: the way we practice, the way we do training camp, 1213 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,080 Speaker 1: everything is part of that. Everything is part of that 1214 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,239 Speaker 1: making it more. I just want to jump in that. 1215 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: To me, though, I'm not trying to take away from 1216 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: your point. I don't think that's unique to the Giants. 1217 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,319 Speaker 1: I would make an argument that every team that wants 1218 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: to show consistency in the National Football League has to 1219 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,439 Speaker 1: do all the things you're talking about. Now. I wanted 1220 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 1: to piggyback over the point you said, well, they've got 1221 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: to beat the Redskins to start changing the culture. The 1222 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,240 Speaker 1: Giants have gone into Philadelphia for the last five years, okay, 1223 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,439 Speaker 1: and they've lost. Now, the reason why I don't put 1224 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: much stock into your point is the roster has changed 1225 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,080 Speaker 1: tremendously this year. Lent you think that Russell Shepherd, okay, 1226 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: who's on the Giants for the first time, went into 1227 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: Philadelphia last week and said to himself, well, you know 1228 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,319 Speaker 1: what the Giants lost the last four years. Boy, there's 1229 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna be a real tough one. You see that. That's 1230 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,879 Speaker 1: why I don't I'm not buying into the narrative that 1231 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 1: what you do in two thousand eighteen against your divisional 1232 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 1: foes is indicative of what next year's roster is going 1233 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 1: to be thinking mentally when they go up against the 1234 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: same opponents in two thousand nineteen. I just don't see 1235 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 1: that being synonymous. Okay, can I respond absolutely? Yeah? Okay, yeah, No. 1236 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a big step forward. And understand it's 1237 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: it's not just the Redskins. It's the fact that it's 1238 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,120 Speaker 1: a division foe, and it's a road game, and all 1239 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,320 Speaker 1: those things that that are that are in there, and well, 1240 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,640 Speaker 1: you know my feeling last we got we gotta I mean, 1241 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:53,160 Speaker 1: we gotta go forward two in the division. Well, well, 1242 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 1: we look at our record in the division. I think 1243 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,800 Speaker 1: it's a positive we go it's it's an extra positive. 1244 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,640 Speaker 1: If we go into Washington on Sunday and again could 1245 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 1: be Philadelphia, could be dabas happened to be Washington this week, 1246 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,880 Speaker 1: and win a road game in the division, that's there's 1247 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: a there's a an amount of toughness that I think, 1248 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: and it's true of any division. And I agree with you, 1249 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 1: this is true of any organization. The important thing is 1250 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: for the organization, not just us, any organization to establish 1251 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: the way they want to do things, and that as John, 1252 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:31,040 Speaker 1: and as John said, very important, Thank you John. Everybody 1253 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: buys into it. Everybody buys into it. And I think 1254 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 1: we're moving that. I think Sherman and Gettleman, you know, 1255 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,000 Speaker 1: with doing that, and I think they were establishing that 1256 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 1: kind of things. This is, you know, as compared to 1257 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: last year. You heard me say it. Last year, this 1258 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,560 Speaker 1: group of guys, this is a likable group of people 1259 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 1: from the from the cup, from Gettleman to the coaching 1260 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 1: staff to these players. These are I mean last year 1261 00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't find anybody to like outside of Eli. I 1262 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 1: mean I really couldn't. I mean, Beckham wasn't on the 1263 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 1: field enough to for me to be, you know, be 1264 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,640 Speaker 1: talking about it. But this is genuinely a group of 1265 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: guys I can get behind, all right, n appreciate, and 1266 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,920 Speaker 1: I did think the one thing we can look out 1267 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,520 Speaker 1: for and we learned this lesson the hard way, going 1268 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,920 Speaker 1: from two thousand and sixteen to two thousand and seventeen. 1269 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 1: Every year is different and you start over now. I 1270 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 1: do think there's something from an organizational standpoint to get 1271 00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: things running the way you want and you know, maybe 1272 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,480 Speaker 1: even beyond just the players, but just have, like you know, 1273 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,800 Speaker 1: the mood and the way things operating the building, so 1274 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 1: the tone the players that do carry over can carry 1275 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 1: that message onto the new players that show up. Now, 1276 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't always work, it doesn't always happen, but you'd 1277 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 1: like to have that base to start from. And that's 1278 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,600 Speaker 1: what I think you hope you do this year. You 1279 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: find that who you can keep who's going to be 1280 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,640 Speaker 1: here from the roster in en and they can carry 1281 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 1: over that culture and that message and the foundation of 1282 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,560 Speaker 1: how you want to play to the group next year. 1283 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what you're looking for 1284 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 1: the last four or five games, and you build the 1285 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,280 Speaker 1: chemistry within the locker room. Guys like each other, they 1286 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 1: play hard for one another. There's chemistry between the positional 1287 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 1: groups and their respective coaches. And you know, also to 1288 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,320 Speaker 1: what you were pointing out from a front office perspective 1289 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 1: philosophy in terms of how you want to build a team, 1290 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,920 Speaker 1: John and the coaches on how you want to playing games. 1291 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 1: This is our strategy, this is our identity. We want 1292 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,040 Speaker 1: to be a run first team. We want to set 1293 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,320 Speaker 1: the tone with our offensive line. You know, those things 1294 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 1: I think can carry on because those are more John 1295 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,240 Speaker 1: philosophical things, but what what what? I think a lot 1296 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,680 Speaker 1: of what Lenn was talking about, And once again I'm 1297 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,160 Speaker 1: not saying he's completely off base, but execution can fluctuate 1298 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,959 Speaker 1: so much, John, year to year, game to game. That's 1299 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,320 Speaker 1: why to me, results from one year are just they're 1300 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,439 Speaker 1: They're not going to necessarily indicate what is the going 1301 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,800 Speaker 1: to be the result of following season, That's all I'm getting. 1302 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 1: I do think when you do carry over a lot 1303 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: of the same players from a really bad year, um, 1304 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,560 Speaker 1: you do get the oh no, what next? Here we 1305 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: go again? I think that does sneak in and I 1306 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,240 Speaker 1: think weeding that out is important. But I think that 1307 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,120 Speaker 1: gets weeded out as much with changing the players as 1308 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,440 Speaker 1: it does with changing the players that are already here's mindset, 1309 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they've done a lot 1310 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,400 Speaker 1: of that. Are only sixteen guys left with blast year's roster, 1311 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: so can't change much more than that, folks, Lands good times, 1312 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, We're back with more Big Blue Kick 1313 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: go off live tomorrow. Don't forget. It's all brought to 1314 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,960 Speaker 1: you by Corpse Light, Download the Cores, White Rewards. 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