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Speaker 1: It's ready, are you? Didn't touch? With technology? With tech

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Speaker 1: Stuff from how stuff flix dot com. Hello there, everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Poulette

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Speaker 1: and I am an editor at how Stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: Sitting across from me, as always, is senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, all right, today I wanted to take control

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. This is different from any other week

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Speaker 1: how us. Yeah, we'll see now I'm singing Janet Jackson

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Speaker 1: in my head. That's how it's different from every other week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were going through some other songs before we started

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Speaker 1: the podcast. It was it was kind of a loopy morning.

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Speaker 1: But today we wanted to talk about something that's not loopy,

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Speaker 1: although you can have a loop in the programming for it.

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Speaker 1: It is a micro controller. We've actually touched on these

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Speaker 1: in the past, well a segment of these, because we've

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Speaker 1: talked about the Ardueno, which is a kind of micro controller.

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Speaker 1: But Jonathan said, why don't we take a step back

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Speaker 1: had some people ask us about micro controllers. We even

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Speaker 1: and really the distinction is not black and white. There

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Speaker 1: a there's certain characteristics that micro controller has, and if

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Speaker 1: call it a micro controller versus a microprocessor. Now, in general,

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Speaker 1: when most people talk about a microprocessor, they're speaking primarily

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Speaker 1: type of microprocessor. That's what I think of when I

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Speaker 1: think micropross UM. And there is a processor as part

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Speaker 1: of a micro controller. But a micro controller is a

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Speaker 1: very very tiny computer. UM. What doesn't have to be

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Speaker 1: a board. UM. So it would have the board, which

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Speaker 1: and it would have a processor sawdered into it. But

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Speaker 1: be a lot of different things, but usually it's a

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Speaker 1: general purpose or i'm sorry, a specific purpose that the

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Speaker 1: in your desktop, right. It's a very specific use. So

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Speaker 1: we know we've talked about these and things like we

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Speaker 1: had our our podcast about microwavest about a little bit

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Speaker 1: on that. But yeah, these are these are computers that

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Speaker 1: have very specific uses and because they have these narrow parameters,

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Speaker 1: how micro controllers work, which is an extensive article. It

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Speaker 1: is it is one of our I mean, and it

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Speaker 1: goes into detail if you want technical details about micro controllers.

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Speaker 1: It's an excellent resource, and it was written by Marshall Brain,

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Speaker 1: who was the founder of how Stuff Works dot com.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he uh he took a specific kind of

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Speaker 1: So we're not going to get into that much detail.

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Speaker 1: So like a calculator and you you use a calculator

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Speaker 1: So for example, you know, you might have a full

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Speaker 1: It's amazing we've gotten through four hundred without hitting each other.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna need a bigger podcast. I think

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