WEBVTT - Keyon Dooling's First Interview After Release - The Full Story 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:03.360 M m. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:21.560 Mm hmmmm mm hmm. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:27.760 Welcome back to all the Smoke Miami, our basil. Shout 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.360 out to the lazy Susan House been blessing us this. 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:36.440 Uh, we just smoke this trip. Shout out Trey. Yes, indeed, Jack. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.520 I think we pride ourselves on making people feel comfortable 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.479 enough to really express themselves because there's no ind agenda, 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:51.200 there's no tricks here. We genuinely care and love our guests, 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:56.440 and I think today is a really special opportunity to 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.560 find out what's going on with with one of our 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.960 favorite people. This dude has always been standing up since 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:04.800 day one. I met him, played against him in college, 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.200 played with him in the pros, and just one of those. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.039 Real, genuine good people. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.880 But he was also haunted by some ship and it 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.040 came to a tipping point. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:20.800 And correct me if I'm wrong. You just got out Monday. 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.560 Six days, Bro, it's been six days, six days. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:26.679 Welcome to the show, my brother. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.120 Yeah you already know. 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.640 Let's let's you just told this is your first interviews? Yeah, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.080 what I mean, let's walk down what's been going on 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.720 because a lot of people have kind of read stuff 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.319 and heard stuff, but a lot of us really love 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.120 you and really want to know from your mouth are 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:46.680 you good? 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:47.800 And what happened? 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.560 Oh? Absolutely, Matt? So first off, thank you for having me, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.440 you know, you know, just kind of watching you'll growth 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.200 in this space has been inspiring to me and to 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.000 most of us, right, you know, because we all inspire 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:02.040 and learn from one another. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:03.400 So you really know it too. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.360 So I know you're not You're not now, but you 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.560 know I'm good, man, I'm good. I think you know. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.520 You know, last two years probably been the most difficult 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.919 season of life for me. And you know the good 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.560 thing about seasons is that they don't last forever, right, 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.840 They change, they grow, they evolve, and it's how you 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.080 come out of that season, right do you do You 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:31.720 get stuck in pity, embarrassment, guilt, shame, fear, whatever could 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.440 stagnate you. You can get stuck in that, right And 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.840 this ain't the season of fear, of stagnation. This is 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.560 the season of redemption for me. This is the season 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:47.640 to embrace the experience, the journey, honesty, transparency, because I think, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.400 like you know, especially for us as Hoopers, we learned 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.640 from one another, right, you know, we learned from one another. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.440 We learned so much. We teach each other so much. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.400 Eddie Jones showed me how to tie my double windsor tie. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.160 You know, there's so many guys who you know, show 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.280 you about work ethic and how to deal with the media, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.080 and how to help me your family, and how to 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.960 be a professional. So this is an opportunity for us 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:14.840 to learn, learn from mistakes, learn from adversity, and embrace 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.720 that shit. Right, don't be afraid of what you go through. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.160 You grow through it. Absolutely sure. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:27.400 A bunch of NBA brothers went down with the health 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:32.600 insurance situation. Our brother Glenn Davis just sat down and 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.680 a few other people. But talk to us about how 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.560 that came about across your plate and why you chose 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:41.400 to participate in it. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:46.520 Yeah, So, you know, I try to be very clear 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.240 on the fact that it was just a bad judgment. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.680 It was a mistake, It was greed. It was trying 0:03:55.720 --> 0:04:01.280 to you know, navigate in an the wrong way. You know, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.800 I didn't wait on God for opportunities, you know what 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.200 I'm saying to open up for me. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.840 I saw not even an opportunity. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.160 I won't call it an opportunity, you know, I saw 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:15.440 a lick, so to speak, Right, obviously we had the 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:20.640 supplemental supplemental Benefits card. You know, if you played long enough, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.359 you have a lot of money on that card, and 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:27.960 that's supposed to be for you know, medical dental vision. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.000 Not only you, but your family, YEP, and your. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.719 Family, and you know, if you don't use it, you 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.400 lose it. And I saw it sitting there and I saw, 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.200 you know, it's a it's a brotherhood league or whatever. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.400 And I'm not pointing a finger at anybody, but I 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.360 got exposed to it. You know, some cash was moving 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.200 around doing that, and I decided to do it. And man, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.880 one of the worst, not one of the worst, the 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.320 worst decision I made in my entire life. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.680 And you know, I embrace it. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.880 You know, I'm apologetic for it, and you know what 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.080 I mean, Like, that's why I'm open to speaking about it, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.040 right because I don't want anybody else to put themselves 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.640 in harm's way. I don't want anybody to bite that 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.200 apple from that tree in any way, shape or form. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:20.520 And so I decided to do it and made that mistake, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.359 but I did my time for it. Did eighteen months 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.480 in federal custody, ten months in six months halfway house, 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.920 two months home confinement and I'm here right. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.800 I'm over those days, like though, because again and we're 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.520 going to dig into it, your childhood. We're going to 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.800 talk about what happened there. But you beat that. Oh 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.000 you went on to college. You beat college, you went 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.200 onto the league, and you were at the top of 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:43.760 the mountain. 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:44.400 Oh yeah. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.640 So to have that, to have you personally step away 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.480 from the game and then next thing, you know, a 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.000 handful of years later, you're in. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.800 Locked up. What is I like? 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:01.599 Well, I mean it's a world wind somewhat, right, because 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.280 like when you go through things like unhealed trauma, it's 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.800 stored in your body, right, and when somebody touches the 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.200 right button, pokes the right button, we could be triggered. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.240 And coming from an environment where I come from, I'm 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.800 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the heart of the city, and like, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.520 it's a lot of shit that we experienced growing up 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.360 that we pushed down, right. And when you hooping, man, 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.920 you're so busy accomplishing and becoming, and there's always these 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.320 benchmarks that you're trying to achieve that you don't really 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.320 get the process, the journey. What you've seen, you know, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.880 gunshots you know, you know, molestation, you know, poverty. It 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.960 brings a certain amount of trauma. And I think, like 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.640 what we're so fortunate about is that, like we were 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.359 able to channel that shit in the hoops. We was 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:51.240 able to go out and put that energy into something positive. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.720 And I think we came up in a time where 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.480 the game was really starting to grow, the AAU seem 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.760 was starting to grow. We had some transformational players during 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.400 that time. I played AAU with T Mac and Yourdonnas 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.520 and you know a lot of guys from you know, 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.520 the state of Florida. Kobe had just came out. So 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.600 I was able to channel you know what I mean 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.600 that into basketball. And you know one thing about me 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.040 is I was able to dig deeper than most people, 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.560 you know what I mean. I was super athletic, super quick, 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.280 but like that dog. It was other people who were 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.080 super athletic quick could do everything with it, but I 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.120 could do it longer and harder. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:29.840 And dwell there. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.120 And so I was able to, you know, channel a 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.320 lot of that trauma into my hoops. But it's still 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.520 there because a certain amount of challenges come as you elevate. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.400 And you take on so much, take on so much for. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:48.440 Your family, for your community, from your homeboys and people 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.400 who you come up with. There's so many expectations and 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:58.080 entitlements that are hard to navigate. And the programming wasn't 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.520 as good then, you know what I mean, The culture 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.400 around the game wasn't as good, It wasn't as professional, 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.000 and you know, like you, you know, you you go 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.960 through these different phases, right. So when I got indicted, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.280 I was coaching. It was right after Game six. I 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.440 was coaching with the Utah Jazz. I've been around the 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.320 game of basketball. It's the only thing I know, you know, 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.120 working for the Players Association, working for the Celtics in 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.320 the front office, coaching for the Utah Jazz. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.320 I've always been around the game. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.480 And you know when that when that had knock, came 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.560 that phone call, you know, about four or five in 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.920 the morning, you know, five calls in a row. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.439 I was like, oh, something's going on. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.800 Looked outside the Feds were there five six cars, you 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.199 know what I mean, strapped up to the te right, 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.120 and you know, I just had to go back and 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.120 you know, tell my wife like little Bay, I'm about 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:52.800 to go to jail. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.000 Had there been any previous discussion about anything going on 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.640 or was this the first time he kind of sprung 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:58.079 it on her? 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.760 No, I sprung it, Yeah, on it. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.240 Hey, dude, I didn't know I was gonna get indicted, right, 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.640 So they did a superseding indictment for me. So the 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.360 first group of guys went through their situation probably a year. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.400 You know, he couldn't tell her she wasn't gonna support that. No, No, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.880 she wouldn't. She wouldn't. And you know, a lot of 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:22.440 times as men, you know, being vulnerable, it's very difficult, 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:23.400 you know what I mean. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.040 It's like, you know, I'm here to protect and provide, and. 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.280 When you can't do that, when you at the point 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.280 where you you know, I understand, Bro, I understand. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:32.280 You know, I understand. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.599 And one of the most difficult things I had to 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:36.559 grapple with is that. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.240 Dude, I didn't have to do it. 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:39.200 Mm hmm. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.280 You know what I'm saying. And that that that's where 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.360 a lot of my internal work came. You know, in 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.640 sitting down, it's like, Okay, you made a decision that 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.640 hurt your family. Ultimately, not just your family, bro, you 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.839 hurt your community, You hurt your friends, you hurt your 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.679 allies in the basketball space who love you, adore you, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.200 respect you, appreciate you. Because I did a lot of 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.760 good work, a lot of good work, a lot of 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.040 good work, and mentored a lot of young men, potty 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:09.480 trained them. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.360 As I like to say, this small ship situation can't 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.640 overshadow that though I don't think so. This small situation 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:15.839 will not overshadow the good. 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.000 Yeah, yeah, and I agree with that, Steve. But when 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:21.840 you're in it right. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:22.559 It gets really silent. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.240 It's really cold, and people who you know you were 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.959 in relationship with, in friendship with, you know, with bonds 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.320 that go back twenty years, won't pick up the phone, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.960 won't check on your family. It's not a lot of 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.959 guys who checked up on my wife and my kids 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.680 wild away, you know. But the ones who did, you 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.640 know what I mean, and the ones who were supportive, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.280 I thank God for them, right, because sometimes you have 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.000 to go through adversity to see who really. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.720 Fucks with you. Absolutely, you know what I mean. 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.480 So I'm so thankful, you know what I mean that, Like, 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.160 you know, so many of my friends, not so many, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.760 but a handful of my friends, my old teammates, some 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.040 of the guys who I grew up with, and then 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:09.240 it's some unlikely people, right, people who you you might know, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.960 y'all might have a great relationship, but you ain't know 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.480 they love you like that. You love me more than 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.960 some of the people who I, you know, had to 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.280 take care of. You gave the most too, you know. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.600 And so you deal with all those different elements, right, 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.520 and you try and process them, and you try and 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.959 learn from them, and you're try and be accountable for them. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.319 I think that's when the real change comes, right, it's 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.160 the accountability part of your mistakes to fall out. And 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.400 just because guys you know, got silent and cold, I 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:42.400 ain't mad at them for that. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.600 I went through the angry phase. You know. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.520 It could be fear associated with that. Some of those 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:49.319 guys could have been doing some of the things that 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.360 kind of got me locked up that they might be 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.120 intimidated by, right, you know. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:53.600 And so. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.360 It's just a part of the game. It's a part 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.760 of the experience. But it's like that anger and the 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:05.240 resentment and the the off that I felt, I don't 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:06.160 have that anymore. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.800 What did you learn about yourself during this process? Man? 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.640 You know what I learned one that I'm not invincible, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:14.760 I'm not Superman. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.880 But they build us up to be that, Yeah, they do. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:18.880 And not only that, you know, we have to have 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.360 that internal confidence in ourselves in order to you know, 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.160 like ascend to the levels. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:24.439 That we like. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.280 Dude, we played what over? How many years did you play? 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:32.040 Fourteen fourteen? I played in thirteen seasons? Right, Like, even 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.720 within the elite group of the NBA, there's not many 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.960 people who got that tenn right, you know what I mean. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.920 So there's a certain amount of you know, Superman syndrome 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.040 that we embrace. You know, like, hey, man, I loved 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.559 love being able to help my family and my friends 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.599 and inspire and you know what I mean, bring sustenance 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.679 to them when they needed something and things like that. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.960 So you embrace that, right. But you know, with that virtue, 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.000 with that giving, you know what I mean, when it's 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.400 not reciprocated, man, it could make us isolate. It can 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:08.040 make us go deeper into drinking, smoking, being promiscuous, being angry, 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.880 making bad decisions, you know what I mean, Because we 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.120 give so much virtue and then we're not getting reaped, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.920 We're not getting anything back, you know what I mean, 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.440 And so then you start to even question the people 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.319 around you, like you know what I mean, how they 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.079 really view you? So and going through this, what did 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.960 I learned about myself? I learned that I'm a resilient motherfucker. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.600 I learned that I stand on business. I don't have 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.839 no snitching me, no cutting. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:32.600 Me, you know what I mean. 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.760 Like you know, when when the folks came and knocked 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.760 on my door, you know, I accepted, you know the 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.160 responsibility that came with it. I wasn't gonna put anybody's 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.720 family through what me and my family was experienced rules, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.480 you know what I mean. I learned also learned that, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:55.120 like you know, the decisions that we make can have. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.319 Such an impact on the people who rely. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.560 On and love you. You know what I mean? 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.440 You know what we bring to our families, what we 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.559 bring to our careers, what we bring to the buildings. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:14.560 Where we bring this energy, this swagger, this confidence, this authenticity. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:20.120 And you let those folks down. Man, that was very 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.480 difficult for me to grapple with. I lost about thirty 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:23.920 pounds during the indictment process. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:24.720 Really and you. 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.040 Already yeah, I'm already as well, you know what I'm saying. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.240 But I lost about thirty pounds. I couldn't eat I 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.760 couldn't sleep. I was embarrassed, you know, like I was 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.520 concerned for my family because I was facing I was 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:38.800 facing some time, you know. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.760 So I was very fortunate to get thirty months. 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.560 Was there a part during that, not to cut you off, 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:47.400 there a part during that that that clicked, like when 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.080 when you're in there with her, a part that clicked, 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.280 Like you said, you went through all these emotions from 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.480 frustrating to embarrassed. Was it a part where Okay, was 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.080 it in there when you realize you need to turn 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:00.760 the page when you got like what was that? 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:01.160 Yeah? 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:02.320 It was in there. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.680 Yeah, it was in there because you know, like when 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.400 you're incarcerated, bro, you're own locked down. 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.480 A lot, you're on locked down a lot. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.560 You know, my ten months in there, we probably just 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.000 locked down for three of those months where you necessarily 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.600 can't go outside. The TV rooms might be locked, you 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.080 know what I mean, and no commisary, you know what 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.680 I mean. Like, it's a whole bunch of things that 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.680 happened in that environment that you know, most people don't 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.360 know about, they don't understand. Well, I understand it now. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.880 That's why I'm so, That's why I want to be 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.240 a voice, you know for you know, some reform and 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.760 some accountability, you know, within what goes on with guys 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:44.480 who are incarcerated. But something clicked in my writings, you know, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.480 as as Hooper's Dog. We got to be routine based. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.120 So I got my routine. I jumped on my routine 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.000 as soon as I got there. You know, the first night, 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.200 I did not shower. I didn't want to go to 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.680 the restroom, you know what I mean, I just really 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.360 wanted to kind of sit there right, But the brus 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.600 in there wouldn't let that happen, you know what I mean. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.960 They came brought me a bag because we was locked down, 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.080 so they brought me some shoes, brought me some commissary, 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.840 brought me some clothes and things like that. It's really humbling, brother, 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.080 It's really humbling. I took a lot of pride in 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.880 my swag, in my attire old way, you know, and uh, 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.680 you know, to to you know, to have to wear 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.120 grays and browns is very humbling. 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.400 What was it like in there with obviously the hit 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.400 where you came from. You came from the NBA. Yeah, 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:32.840 you know what I mean, you played with some of 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.400 the greatest players. You were you were special in your 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.520 own way, that that helping situations that fuck you up 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.160 in situations like how was that? 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:46.280 Well, it was twofold with that. I think initially it 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:52.160 was difficult because being high profile in that system, you 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:53.840 know what I mean a lot of times, you know, 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.000 it could just bring a certain elements target, Yeah, you 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.200 can bring. You can bring a certain element from the 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.480 officers you know, from you know, the inmates alike, right, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:06.800 and everything you. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.040 Do is being watched. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.080 So the way you carry yourself, who you're speaking to, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.879 you know what I mean, Like you know, just everything 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.639 you know, the raid always kind of on me. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.040 But you know what I just did is I just 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:22.040 went and did what I know. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.320 Treat people with respect, you know what I mean, Learn 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.240 the rules of the environment that you're in. Be authentic, 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.560 be routine based, not rely on anybody for anything, you 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.840 know what I mean. Get with the right people who 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.879 you know you can work out with, cook and eat with. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.040 You have to put the past. Did you have to 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:44.600 put them palls in? 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.880 I did not have to put them palls on nobody. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:49.800 No, I ain't have to. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.520 I didn't have to throw my knuckles at all, you know, Like, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.800 no I saw some ship in there. You know, there 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.960 was a riot while I was there. You know, I saw, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.480 you know, I saw, you know, some stuff happened. You'll 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.879 be really surprised that, like how quick shit can change 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:06.160 in there. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.320 Right, No, I didn't have to throw hands with anybody. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.320 I had a couple disagreements or anything, you know like that, 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.160 but you know, nothing that I couldn't verbally work out, 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.000 so you know what I mean, Like my manhood wasn't 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.800 tested or anything like that, you know. And I ain't 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.359 no small dude. I'm skinny and small like in our space, 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.080 but we like we like Netflix, we like Anaanaki, like 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.240 we ain't like natural humans, we like super huge. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.200 Right, so yeah, no, I didn't have to throw my knuckles. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.320 What I took from all that is is, you know, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.520 when I retired too, I went through a little time 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.760 and you said something that resonated to me. And I 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.800 heard this more than anything you said. And we I 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.159 think everybody is guilty of that at some point in 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.280 their life, when they're thinking that I can get up 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:51.600 and just do what I want to do or make 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.080 something happen. But I had a situation where I had 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.480 to sit and wait on guard too. So that that 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.399 shit touched me. Yeah, because I had a time when 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.359 I retired I had to sit and wait on guard too. 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.679 Yeah, and he brought him in my life. Yeah, I 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.520 felt you on that. Yeah. No, we all have to 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.240 learn from that, bro, We all have to learn. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.119 The Bible tells me, man that the steps of a 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.000 good man or ordered by the Lord. Right now, on 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.560 my vision board, I had that I wanted to be 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:16.040 a coach. 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.520 It was what I was trying the work to become. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.840 And two a year and a half after, you know, 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.840 I was, you know, hustling with what I got locked 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:33.199 up for coaching, opportunity came right and so you know, 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.760 it was so anti climatic for me because, like you know, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.560 the apex of one of my goals to be able 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.480 to be around the game and to learn from Quinn 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.119 Snyder who was my college coach, and he trusted me 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.480 to hire me. Good dude, and something that I had 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.880 done in the past, you know what I mean, came 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:51.760 to kind of knock me off. 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:52.680 That man. It broke my. 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.800 Heart, not only for myself and my family, but Quinn. 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.159 I let Quenn down. I was my college coach. I 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.480 was his first pro I love the dude and uh 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:04.040 to go down on his watch, you know, really hurt 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.840 through text. You know, I keep in touch with a 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.760 few of the guys from my coaching staff. But like man, 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.800 I got really authentic and good relationships with with some 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.879 really and good authentic people. So anybody who I didn't 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:21.400 speak to or anything like that, it could be two things, 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:21.720 you know. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.199 One they couldn't maybe they ain't fuck with me like 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:24.800 I thought. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.320 Or two they could be afraid of the stigma associated 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.440 with what I've gone through, right, you know, the affiliation 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.840 of somebody who's going down, because that is a real 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.560 thing when you're feeling. Man, you know, it is like 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.440 a author and it's like an a on your chest. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:40.600 It's enough on your chest. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.720 And in our industry that's not common, I know, you 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.080 know what I mean, Like, it's not common in our 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.480 industry because like in our industry, you almost have to 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.879 be flawless at every intersection, and when you get a 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:55.320 stain on it, you can be replaced. 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.000 And so yeah, man, it's just a part of it. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.439 For the upbringing same Sea making vc Omar in Florida. 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:02.880 To paint the. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.040 Picture, well, man, I grew up in the eighties man, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.399 and it was, Man, it was so awesome growing up 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.480 in the eighties. We got a car culture down here. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:15.879 We ride donks, we like, you know, it was the eighties. 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.400 It was a dope boy central, you know what I mean. 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.800 A lot of a lot of narcotics was coming. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:21.800 Through this area. 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.359 So it was it was great growing up there in 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.040 a sense because we had a sense of family since community, 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.520 you know, you knew somebody who knew your people. 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.640 So it still was like that generation. It felt like. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.600 Old school takes a village. 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:37.719 It takes a village. 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.000 But you saw the impact of crack and how that 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.240 impacted the family, like you really saw the change, like 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.920 pretty quickly. And you know, just growing up down in 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.240 South Florida. Man, we're big on sports, so you know, basketball, 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.399 football especially, we play in the street football, you know 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:55.800 what I mean. 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.880 We you know football during football season. 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.720 Basketball during basketball seas. So I grew up man in 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.160 a time where I think it was very unique and 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.439 it was fun. It's shaped it shaped me right on 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.280 my journey. And man, I just I got a soft 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.080 spot for for a lot of it. I love being 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.680 from the crib. I love what's happening in Florida. Obviously 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.760 it's a football state, but we're kind of changing that 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:19.199 a little bit. 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:20.240 It's so much talent. 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.520 We always had great athletes with dogs, but now, man, 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:25.800 you know, with a lot of the skills trainers staying 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:27.080 Remy from Remy. 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.800 Workouts, there's a lot of guys who are. 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:34.800 Training our athletes now with skill and precision. So I'm 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:36.879 excited on, like, you know, with the future holes for 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:37.879 Florida's basketball. 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:42.560 We all had our own reasons becoming you know, men 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.320 at a young age. Me growing up in a single 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.159 parent home. I think you had your own situation that 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:48.640 forced you to be a man at a young age. 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:49.399 Can you talk about it? 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:53.480 Yeah? Man, I mean obviously you know, everything on your 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:58.160 journey that you experience is an opportunity for growth, right, 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.840 and they ain't all swet. So you know, when I 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.800 was a child, I went through sexual abuse, and you 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.439 know I pushed that down and didn't really deal with 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.359 that until I was in my early thirties. 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:14.040 You know, the guilt, the fear, you know what I mean. 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.280 Also just not enough information about that, right because you 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:23.360 know a lot of times you just don't know how 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.600 to respond. You're seven eight years old and so you know, 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.159 it forced me to grow up and toughen up a 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:31.480 little bit, you know what I mean. 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.080 But it also made me start drinking early. 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:36.920 It started made me start smoking early, being promiscuous with. 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:38.280 My body very early. 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.000 And it also like made me a little bit more angry, 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.160 you know what I mean, like if somebody tried me 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.240 or if you know, somebody touched me inappropriate, like you know, 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.239 I'm willing to like go all the way there, and 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:53.320 so you know, I had to learn and work through that. 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:56.840 And you know, it's something that like as a man, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.919 it's difficult to talk about, but you know, we do 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:03.040 the difficult man. You know, like as at the end 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:04.800 of the day, if we don't share these stories and 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.080 share these experiences, man, we could be neglecting one of 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.399 the little young roles coming up behind us, you know 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.320 what I mean. So I think, like we have to 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.439 we gotta transfer this information good, bad, or indifferent. And 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.240 I think a lot of times, man, you know, we 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.520 just don't share the information, the good information enough, the 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:25.840 real authentic information enough. And that's why I love you guys' platform, man, 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.960 because you guys, you guys throw it off the backboard 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:30.800 for guys to really be able to come and finish, 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.480 you know, and I love it. But yeah, that's a 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:35.520 part of the journey. I wrote a book about it, 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.280 and you know, it's a part of my story. 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:42.960 We're saying that and sharing your story. What's some signs 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:44.320 that we can look out for for kids in the 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:45.560 hood that might be going through that. 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:49.240 Yeah, so few things, you know, you know, if kids 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:55.359 are experiencing anxiety, if you see, you know, a certain 0:24:55.400 --> 0:25:00.960 amount of anger, right if you notice you know, you know, 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:06.480 promiscuous behavior, you know, substance, you know, them starting to smoke, 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.080 maybe too early, and things like that are isolation. 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:10.480 Those are some things. 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.480 But like one of the best things, like as men, 0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.760 we could do for our families is have those conversations, 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:20.240 you know, sit your boys and your girls down and say, hey, look, 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:22.640 this is a healthy touch. This is your private part. 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:26.000 Don't let nobody touch this. Don't let nobody do that. 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:30.440 If something ever happens, you know, you let me know, 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.600 you know, And so that communication, because a lot of 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.679 times that usually happens from somebody close enough to be 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:42.080 able to touch you. So a family member, a friend, 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:47.280 you know, an older siblings, friend who may you know, 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.879 So sleepovers and things like that are like out of 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:53.520 the question for my kids unless they might have come 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.040 into my house. And I know that might sound a 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.080 little bit like unfair, but y'all don't come to my house. 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:00.720 But y'all ain't going to nobody house. 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:04.680 It just is what it is. When did basketball become 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:05.159 like for you? 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.240 I think basketball became like for me man at probably 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:13.320 about four or five years old. I'm the youngest of 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.800 four kids, and my older brother played college ball at 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:21.080 HBCU bethrom Cookman, And you know, I just fell in 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.320 love with the game, and my dad loved the game. 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.320 I could dribble the ball really good, really early, Like 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:30.960 I could dribble anything. And man, I had an incredible imagination. 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.960 So like you see this table right here, that was 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.959 a defender euro step in the table, you know what 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:39.880 I mean. You see the top of the door right there, 0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.200 Oh that's a rim. Every time I'm going in the bathroom, 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.560 I'm dunking, you know. And so I had this imagination 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.879 for myself, and then I had this incredible work ethic 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.840 that I wanted to develop that talent. And then my 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.200 big brother was nice. He was small, but he was nice. 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.520 So he was like taking me through drills and stuff 0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.240 like that. So I fell in love with the game 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.919 at a very early age. When I got indicted, man, 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.639 I thought I lost my love for the game. I 0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.959 was like, Man, you know, the basketball world won't embrace 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.920 me anymore. All the things that I've done and I've accomplished, 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.520 you know what I mean, will be minimized. And boy 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.560 was I wrong, because soon as I got you know, 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:25.199 to Coleman, Man, I became the commissioner of the Basketball League. 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:26.280 You know what I mean. 0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.440 I'm training guys you know, on the court, like literally 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:33.760 scheduling like people like want me to train them. So 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:35.560 I was like, man, I can't run from this game. 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.520 It's a part of my DNA. It's what I love. 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:41.719 It's my love language. I love this shit, bro. I 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:43.560 love this game, man, and I love what it can 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:45.680 do for you, what it's allowed us to experience. I 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:48.280 been in fourteen countries, you know, I've been to forty 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.320 four states, you know what I mean. I met some 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:54.320 incredible people. I've seen and experienced some amazing things. I've 0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.959 ate some good restaurants. 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:57.120 You know what I mean. 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.320 Like, I've seen a lot of shit because of this game, 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.080 and I love it. And I will never let anybody 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.119 take that from me, right, I can't do it. 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:06.280 Yeah, I never. 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:10.000 Let that happen. When did you know you was nice? Oh? 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:11.159 High school? 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.920 It's like I knew I was a good player coming 0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.359 up or whatever. I was a little bit small, But 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.639 like when I got to like eleventh grade, you know, 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.399 going into senior year and shit like that, I was like, 0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:24.840 you know, something was different. 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:24.959 Man. 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:26.960 I used to run in the pool with my shoes on. 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.760 I would go to the beach and train, you know 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:31.800 what I mean. And one day I went to sleep, 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.000 I was slapping backboard. Next day I woke up, I 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.040 was putting my arm in the realm, you know what 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:39.520 I mean. So it wasn't the day that happened. It 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.080 was all the work leading into that moment, right, you 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.440 know what I mean. So like I just always tell youngsters, 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:48.360 you know what I mean, It's like, you know, you 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:51.000 put the work in, you know, you know you put 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:55.000 the work in, and you know, incrementally you can develop 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.160 that talent. Like you know, I feel like the biggest 0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.800 room in all of our lives is the room for improvement. 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:02.280 You know, we can get better at it. So if 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:04.400 you're deficient, you know, with your left hand, you can 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.240 work on it. If your jump shot is broke, you 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:07.760 can work on it. You know what I mean. Now, 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:12.000 one thing that's hard to teach is that dog. You 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.320 got to be born with that, you know what I'm saying. Now, 0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:16.840 I've seen some I've seen something like being around a 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:18.920 person like yourself or a person like you are, even 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.960 like how I played the game, I've helped you, you know, 0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:27.880 you know, like you able to like indoctrinate or put 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:30.000 some dogs in them a little bit, you know, a 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:31.680 little bit, but you are who you are. 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.200 Yeah, when it comes to that dog. 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.520 Yeah, I got a question though, because all three of 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.120 us had it, and all three of us had somewhat 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:43.400 traumatic childhood experiences and traumas, and to be able to 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:47.360 focus that energy into fire, like you said, it comes 0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:48.120 out in different ways. 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:48.840 Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.440 I know my my, my, my upbringing fueled a lot 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:55.360 of the snappiness me want to slap people, the fights. Yeah, 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.040 on edge, you know what I mean. Like to be 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:03.400 able to turn something negative and use as a chip 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.760 or fire. That's a unique because not everybody can do 0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.960 that and most of the times and not speculating or 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.920 making it in a blanket situation. People like that have 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.440 gone through some real shit. Yeah you know what I mean, 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.880 Like we don't choose to just be on edge or 0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.000 be on it. They're like, yeah, we were turned into that. 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.440 Yeah yeah, I mean, life happens. Shit happens, right, and 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.360 a lot of it comes out in a lot of 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:30.480 different ways. Like going back to it, the game of 0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:34.200 basketball is so great, right because not only can we 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.880 channel that energy into our sport, but the resources that 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:43.240 we are exposed to early in life, the speakers that 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.440 we've heard, you know what I mean, the program and 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:50.200 that we've got an opportunity to be exposed to. Most 0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:54.040 people don't get that, so they don't necessarily know what 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.360 emotional intelligence is. They don't know what their triggers are. 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.360 There's certain things. They just haven't been exposed to the 0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.800 information enough. So when we have these talks and things 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.160 like that, the great thing about it is that people 0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:08.640 watching they can see a piece of themselves and us 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.920 and like, okay, like damn, maybe I didn't recognize that 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:14.760 I snapped because of this. Maybe I got to go 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:18.080 back to that childhood. So therapy, man, is therapeutic. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.240 Yeah, I was gonna ask you what, like what age? 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.240 Because I took like I. 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.400 Was at one point in two different types of therapy 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:26.720 post retirement. 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:27.720 You know what I mean? 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.640 When did you did you realize like, Okay, I thought, 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.000 as long as I can fight by myself, I need 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:35.000 some real help. 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:36.280 Yeah for me. 0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:41.800 You know, Look, I didn't feel like I needed therapy 0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:45.520 until I got triggered and I lost it. And it 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.440 took about two weeks for me to like even like 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.760 when I say I lost it, I lost it like 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.880 I was out of there. I spent four days in 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.920 a mental institution. You did say you was on the street? Yeah, 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:59.120 god man, yeah, so you know I'm in the restroom 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.920 in Seattle. Why you remember the biggest sist that we 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:03.760 used to do when we give up all the stuff, 0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.400 you know, in these different communities. And man, I gotta 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.360 grab my butt while I was paying bro. And man, 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:13.920 when I tell you, when I tell you, like it's 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.320 like like like I turned into like the hawk, Like 0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:21.400 it's like all this energy said instant. It's in that 0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.800 moment I lost it, And like as I was trying 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.760 to calm down, I was like, damn, why did I 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:31.200 I lost it so quick? Like and then all these 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:35.560 little memories that I had compressed down start popping back 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.800 up from my childhood and damn, I haven't talked about that. 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:45.400 In a minute. Take your time, bro. 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:58.080 So when I talk about those triggers, like, I. 0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.360 Want everybody to kind of know those things so you 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:01.800 can do preventive things. 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.600 So we don't let people take us there. 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.920 So we don't so we know we aren't gonna control 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.040 because like in that moment, you can lose it and 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:14.640 your family can suffer, You can hurt yourself and hurt others. 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:18.400 You could become a danger to yourself and others. So 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.960 for us, especially guys like us who've seen a lot 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.120 of shit, we gotta know them triggers and try and 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.320 avoid them as much as we can. Ended up in 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.840 Missou Big twelve hoops. Yeah, how was that being in Missouri? 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:32.160 Man? 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:37.360 Missoo was great, Mancazoo was great. I enjoyed my college 0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:41.280 experience over there. We did we did with Quin your 0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.080 coach both years. No so, I got an opportunity to 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.720 play for Norm Steward my first year and then Quinn's 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:47.760 night of my second year. 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.560 And man, I had some great teammates in Missoo. It 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:52.720 was a great little. 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:56.200 College town and had a lot of fun at Missou 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.280 good recruiting, and they say, how did how did you 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:02.200 guys end up in in Missouri? That good recruiting? 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:03.080 You know what I mean? 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:04.120 They call it nils. 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:09.839 Now you played against Jamal Samseley too while he was there. 0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:10.239 Yeah. 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:14.319 Man, when Tinsley came in, shout out JT JT J 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.200 T was spinding the phone booth. So he came in, 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:19.040 I ain't know who he was. I think he came 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.960 from like Juco or something like that. Right, and we 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.120 went in there like the year before we ran through 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.319 Iowa State, like, oh, we're running through that, right. They 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:29.280 had marcut spires or they had a nice little squad. 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.960 But then they get this point guard. So me, I'm 0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:36.520 picking up for a court, I'm turning them and he 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:39.520 acting like I'm not even there. He's spinning he inside 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:43.719 out in eight, nine, ten times and you look up. 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.279 He had like ten points Tennessee's tim rebound. He had 0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:48.920 a triple double in college in the Big twelve, And I'm. 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.239 Like, who is who is he? 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:51.960 Man? 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.280 Paul was cold, he was tough. 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:59.239 Yeah, you had that one dunk on old boys at Kansas. Yeah, 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.680 was probably one of the worst right here. That was 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:05.319 what do you see when you see young kd right here? 0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.160 What do you think well used to fly? 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:08.040 Yeah, I used to. 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.520 I used to get off, get up in the air. 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:13.400 They called that a charge. 0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:17.200 The dude didn't fall anything like that. But it's Kansas 0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:19.640 and Lawrence. You know they gonna cheat. 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.399 Who is that thirty two? Never been heard from this. 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:27.600 Shanty Johnson or something like that. I don't want to 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:28.200 butcher the brothers. 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:30.560 I couldn't believe. 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:33.160 It was like you trying to see me go to 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.720 the league. 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:43.200 Yeah, yeah, you got any good Quinn Snyder stories? 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:43.879 Yeah, I got. 0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.160 I mean, like like man Quinn is you know, full 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:51.240 of energy, full of life, got a hearder goal, super smart, 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.040 super talented. But he was young when he coached me 0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.680 in college, so he still was active, right, still couldunk 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.000 all that, right, But one day was doing a charge 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.200 drill and you know what I mean, I guess we 0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.120 wasn't doing the drill right, So Quinn put himself in 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.440 the drill and he had this cat who was like 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.240 a grad assistant at the time. I think Jason Sutherland, 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:18.280 and Jason was a country Midwest like wow, boy right, strong, 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.040 stocky like just so. 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.400 You know, just a thundercat. 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.920 So Jason, you know, Quinn's taking positioning himself to take 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:26.600 the charge. 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:30.279 So Jason tries to kind of go up soft on. 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:34.760 Quinn pushed him out there, running me over, running me over. 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:41.520 So he looked around, he peeled his ears back and 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:43.640 he went up, and he went up. 0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:44.840 Quinn took the charge. 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.920 And that's how you take a when you take a charge, 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:49.560 he threw his rolex all that. 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:50.520 Man. 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.600 I think Quinn still got back problems to this day. 0:36:54.440 --> 0:37:03.920 From that charge to this day, I still think. 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:02.640 Got out there and started taking charge of trying to 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:03.560 show people how to tell that. 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:06.799 I think Quenn still stretching his back. 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.440 I want to rewind because we didn't ask. But uh 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.400 t Mac Yeah, Matt, what was the because I'm not mistaken. 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:17.840 He's one year older than us, right, yeah, but he 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:19.880 kind of he might have been killing out here, but 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.000 he jumped on the national scene just all of a sudden, 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.560 and he was going from high school to the pro. 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.320 Yeah, man's playing with him like t Max. 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.320 From Pope County. So I think he was at Auburndale 0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:32.239 before he went to Mountain Zion. And you look back 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:34.360 at his numbers and he was killing. But it's a 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.399 small town, so we didn't know who he was. So 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.160 we met t Mac at Adidas camp and Mack was like, Oh, 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:42.200 I'm from Florida. We all playing together. Y'all come watch 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.920 me play. So we go and we roll up and 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:46.120 we go watch team at play. 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.600 Now he's unknown, nobody knows who he is at this point, 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:51.399 and he's going to be a junior or scene. He's 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:52.640 going into his senior year. 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:53.840 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:58.120 So we go see this guy play man and I 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:02.960 had never seen somebody that skill, that athletic, that smooth, 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.520 that fast with the ball, because the team act was 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.960 super fast, Like he was tall and he was smooth 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:11.040 and all that, but his first step he was real 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.440 tweaty with it. And so we got to play that 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.880 summer with a matter of fact, he went milled on 0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.640 somebody in the All Star Game, Like he went milled 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.399 on this cat in the All Star Game. I saw 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:25.279 all the college coaches, NBA scouts lose their professionalism. You know, 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:29.440 it was at the rook he cleared the gym. He 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:31.560 went milled on somebody at the All Star Game. And 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.680 so we got to play that that that summer together 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.919 and to see his development and his focus. He knew 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:41.640 what he wanted. He killed the whole summer. He killed 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.600 the whole summer. I mean, it was just amazing to 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.000 watch team at Florida fla Florida Flash. 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.040 We played, y'all. I don't know where we played, you 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:50.680 guys at probably a long beach. 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.200 It was as you know, we had a squad man 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.840 like eleven twelve D one players from that squad Adida, 0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.160 Sony Vicarrol, Elvis Smith, those guys man, and they really 0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.640 had a They really were good for our lives. And 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.680 at that point, you know what I mean, we really 0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:11.080 needed that exposure. And you know, Mac was just an 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:14.399 incredible talent man. And you know, because we played with Mac, 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.200 we got more exposure. That's when my ranking and stuff 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:21.239 start going up. So we have a we have a 0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.680 unique way of like getting lucky and being around the 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:25.759 right people at the right time that helps you get 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:26.480 to your destiny. 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:31.319 Two thousand and two Drafts two thousand, excuse me, two thousand, Yeah, 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:32.200 I was two thousand and two. 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:33.000 Two thousand and two. 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:39.080 You came out of Yeah, you know, Donald Sterling collects 0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:43.279 you with the tenth pick in the lost of this Clippers. 0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:46.600 First of all, what was that experience like being drafted? 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.719 It's a lottery pick. Yeah, come into La. You're a 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.799 small town guy, yeah somewhat Yeah, coming to La. 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:53.400 What was that? Man? It was dope. 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:56.279 Man, I didn't get invited to the draft. You know 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:58.400 what I'm saying. I didn't get invited to the combine. 0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:00.000 So I liked it, like. 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:04.560 Twelve thirteen pre draft workouts and there was some cats 0:40:04.600 --> 0:40:05.120 ducking me. 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.520 During that time. Who was in that draft duck and 0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:07.920 you talked to. 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.239 About I mean, you know, I ain't gonna you know, 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.279 it was just let's just say I didn't get to 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.400 work out against everybody. But when I ran in the guys, 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.400 it was it was you know, I was able to 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.040 separate myself during that draft process a little bit, but 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.560 it was doping with the Clippers because man, me Q 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.880 and D all babies, you know, me Q, D Miles 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:29.080 got drafted together. 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:32.760 So we got to experience a lot of firsts together. 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:35.200 And you know, man, it still was some of the 0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:39.040 most fun I think I've ever had playing basketball. We 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.960 just weren't good. You know, you can't win with a 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:44.680 lot of young players. It was an older league at 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:46.800 that point. It was it was a grown man league. 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:49.920 It was a grown man league. The resources that the 0:40:49.920 --> 0:40:53.640 Clippers had were very minimal. They didn't have an environment 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:55.959 that would cultivate your talent. 0:40:56.080 --> 0:41:00.000 That's kindly put the league. Yeah, practice South Southwest commune 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:01.879 to college. You used to have to leave the back 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.000 doors open so people didn't break in your cars. There 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.160 was no showers, there's no real lot. You shared the 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:09.160 locker room with like regular students. Like, what was that like? 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:10.560 So you get the. 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:12.680 Idea I'm drafted, I'm a lottery pick, I'm going to 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:16.319 the NBA. And then the resources are less resources than 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:17.080 you had in college. 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:18.200 Yeah, how was that? 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.080 It was tough? Man, You didn't feel like you was 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:24.000 in the league. You know, you just didn't feel like 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:25.360 you was in the league. You couldn't go back to 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:27.000 the gym and work on your jumper if you want. 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.280 You know, I struggled with my shooting early in my career, 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.960 and I just couldn't put enough extra time. Yeah, it 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.240 just wasn't The environment wasn't good enough for that amount 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:41.880 of young talent, and so it staggered. I feel like 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:43.200 I got staggered. 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:43.719 In my development. 0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:47.520 And it wasn't until I went to Miami that I 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:49.560 that I learned how to be a pro. 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:52.719 We're gonna get back to that, but I want to 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:53.680 get because I want to get. 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:57.279 Some more l A Okay, okay, what was l Like? 0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.640 How nice was l O Man? L O was super 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:03.440 nice man. Ll O man six eleven can dribble past 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.480 shoot man? What a nice human being man. L O 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.000 just you know, l O was just a lot of fun, 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:17.480 super charismatic, ship talker, extraordinariy like Llo was that dude man, 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:19.960 just a good dude man. 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:20.439 We man. 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:24.960 We barbecued, we fish fried pretty much every day out there. 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:26.399 We kicked it in La. 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:27.839 It was beautiful, Like were you guys imply? 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.759 Yeah, we was down in the marina. I don't even 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.680 think they was still developed. We was down in the marina. 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.320 And good when I tell you, every day it was 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.880 a Saturday. 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:42.680 We had a lot of fun. 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.680 But l O man, he had a hearter goal, you 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:49.320 know what I mean, super talented, super humble, just a 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:50.840 just all around good. 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:52.520 Just good man, you know what I mean. 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.319 And this in this this generation right here, the things 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:59.160 that kind of got Lamar in trouble you know he 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:00.120 could smoke free. 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:03.880 Now, yeah, absolutely, you know what I mean? Yeah, Q 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.040 Rich and D Miles knuckleheady, Yes, what was that like? 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:09.680 Because although you guys weren't good, y'all were still popping 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.440 in the l like absolutely popping in that absolutely. 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.799 So I played against Q like probably at twelve. Men, 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:18.200 I've known Q Rich since I was twelve years old, 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.320 you know, one of my best friends on the planet. 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:25.560 And man, Q was a dog. And when we would 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:27.640 go in the summertimes at U C l A and 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.279 things like that, like the battles that Q would have 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:31.920 with Paul and those guys. 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:33.879 I'm like Q dog, you know me and Cali bro 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.359 like man, you can give it like Q. 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.520 Just Q is like Q. 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:42.400 He trained to go. But Q was super talented. We 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:46.200 played USA together, man, we just and those my brothers 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:50.719 right there and D MOUs Man young D Mouse. Young 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:55.360 D MOUs was a wizard. Man played both ends, you know, 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:59.359 played with a motor. Had a high basketball Iq six 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:05.200 eleven six eleven probably seven foot four wingspan, could handle 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:08.960 the rock, great mid range game, had a passion for 0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:12.160 playing with a really good passer, and man, it was 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:13.799 a lot of fun playing with those guys, man, Q 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.279 and D is to this day man like especially like 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:17.120 through this process. 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:20.920 Man, some guys been all the way, all the way 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:21.440 one honey. 0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.280 I love Q and D. That's my boys. So speaking 0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:26.840 of Q brings you to my first practice with you guys. 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:30.879 Okay, that's why they're so tight. I walk into gym. 0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:34.040 I'm tighted with Rico because of that Rico fun in college. 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.600 I walk into the gym my first NBA practice, y'all. 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:39.920 First I get caught up on atten day, my first practice. 0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:43.879 This man and Q Richard tangled up. Yeah, but KD 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.000 wasn't doub KD was getting his little jabbed and then 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:47.560 getting out the way. Yeah, he had a lot of 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.040 move but when he would get a couple of jazz, 0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:52.520 if you wanted to grab it. Yeah, have you ever 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.280 seen that rock Wiland and Chihua? 0:44:55.360 --> 0:45:00.000 Listen, man, listen, man, I am so thankful for everybody 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:02.440 who was in that gym because if you would have 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:03.680 got his hands. 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:09.279 On I just walk into the gym to my first. 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:12.120 Gimcome to the NBA first man. 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.279 But I was like, okay, this is cool. Yeah, man, 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:15.640 I was like, all right, cool see. 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:18.200 But the good thing about that man, is like, man, 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.080 we left that ship on the court. That was cool, 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:24.719 and we you know, we talked about it, and you know, 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.719 we was mad at each other for a little bit, right, 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:29.560 But then that next year, man, we get out the Phoenix. 0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:32.319 Q was playing in Phoenix and Q pulls up and 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:33.200 scoops me up. 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:34.520 Man, And you know. 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.000 What I mean, Like, men, this is the thing about 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.399 real authentic friendships and relationships. It's not gonna be all 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.520 peaches and creamy. Sometimes you go on but head right, 0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.680 but at the end of the day, man, like that 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:47.680 is my brother. 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:48.960 And I loved them. 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:51.480 I just hate that's that was your first practice. 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.040 I loved it. I'm glad no one really got hurt. 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.719 But he was getting a couple of you little, I said, 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:57.879 I've seen them knuckles work. 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.960 No, I'm just glad I made it out of that one. 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:04.440 Say still was in two thousand and three, two thousand 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:05.440 and three, Yep, I was there. 0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.719 I'm actually remember this. I was with the Spurs. Yeah, 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:10.440 your whole team came to my house. 0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:11.200 Yeah, you came through. 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.640 You came through. We've been doing this, we could doing it. 0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:19.000 Which I smoking came the whole team, the whole team. 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.640 Man, at my house like yesterday. 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:25.319 That was one time that was really that was the 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.280 one time when you got there the test and the preseason, 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:29.439 you was good the rest of the year. 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.080 Right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're still good. 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:32.920 Yeah. 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.000 So after that one, you was. 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.680 To go, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, you remories a 0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:40.719 whole on too, bro. Yeah you got you. Yeah, man, 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:42.280 you know what I'm saying, my boy. 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:47.080 It was the ultimate host all the smoke before all 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.840 the smoke, straight up, but that you always had that 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.120 impact on this though. You know, I always just always 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:58.480 had like an incredible impact. You probably impacted more people 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.160 the most superstars, right, because it's not the superstars who 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:05.400 spend time and develop you and correct and show you 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.680 how to be a real man in the league, right 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.560 and stand up for yourself and stand on business Like 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.440 a lot of times those guys have. 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.200 A tough job because they're they're isolated. Yeah you know 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:19.000 what I mean, they're isolated so much from the common 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.480 every day. Not saying that you was coming just being different, 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.279 but you you had such an impact on like the 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.759 whole culture of the game, and most if you don't 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:31.680 have platforms like this, most mainstream media wouldn't even know that. 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:35.080 Yeah, he was great at getting people together. I mean 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:36.960 he brought a whole new energy that Golden State team. 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:39.080 So she was a dude that got us all hanging out. 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.399 I mean like we're practicing and going to Jack's house 0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:43.520 and eating and smoking and watching game film. Yeah, like 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.239 we wasn't doing that before you got no you know 0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.440 what I mean. So yeah, he definitely does. I was 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:51.080 just spreading out. My burns burned out. Now as soon 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.920 as he got the team, he had crusty lips. I'm 0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:59.279 looking at a lot. Yeah, the Mexican I've seen it. 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:04.480 Let me go back to l O for a second 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:08.480 because I remember, so I started smoking like when I 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.320 was like twelve years old, and I had. 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:17.719 Never like got high off weed until I smoked California. 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:19.280 Yeah, that's the difference. 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:22.720 And I just remember one night it was me, Lamar 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:27.680 and Wheezy Wilcox. My man, my Weezy. We're doing amazing too, 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:32.840 you talk. Oh yeah, I talked to her. YEA doing amazing, 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:34.880 that's the homie. But I just remember we was in 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:39.640 sack and everything was closed, and I remember we called 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.239 downstairs like, hey man, y'all ain't got no sandwiches or 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:45.960 nothing right, y'all, ain't got no sandwiches. So a little 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.600 time goes by, I could hear everything, like I could feel. 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.160 I felt like I could hear my heartbeat. 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:53.600 I could hear you know, first time, get yeah, like 0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:54.319 it was. 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:57.160 The first time like where you know, like ice cube, 0:48:58.040 --> 0:48:59.799 like like that's how this. 0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.879 So we were really hungry. So about twenty minutes later, man, 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:04.839 we went back to. 0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:07.680 The phone and say, hey, man ya, we ain't got 0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:12.000 no sandwiches or nothing down there, you know, just like. 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:19.839 Uber yeah read you know, and you know second one 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:20.520 of them cities. 0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:26.120 Yeah, ship early, so you get that late after game, they. 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:31.920 Got no sandwiches, get nothing. Man, we went to sleep. 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:33.799 We smoked good, but we was. 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:41.640 Oh oh, I was like George, I already know like 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:43.920 that young that that young Clipper team was crazy, but 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.520 like there was good camaraderie. Everybody wuck with each other. 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:50.200 We and everybody was young. Yeah, they was young. 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.080 And you know what, everybody went on to have good careers, 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:55.759 right when you put them in the good system and 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.520 get them in the right environment, get them out. 0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:00.040 Of that ship. But that ship was fun though. It 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.600 was fun for yeah. 0:50:02.760 --> 0:50:05.279 Two thousand and five Miami Heat Shack's first year d 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.279 Wade's second year. You talk about kind of understanding and 0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.200 how to becoming a pro. Yeah, in this environment, tell 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:12.960 me what it was to be able to come back home, 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:14.200 man and play for it. 0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:15.600 There was a lot of pressure, man. 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.080 I was on the minimum and everybody wanted to come 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.600 to the games, and they weren't giving tickets like that. 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:23.000 So it was a lot of pressure on You get 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.640 four around that time, yeah too, Yeah, you're just getting 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.719 four yeah yeah, yeah. But you know, man, that's the 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.160 good thing about relationships and the heat culture, right, they 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:34.319 understood that. So anytime there was extra tickets or something 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.399 like that, they would, yeah, they would come through. And 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:39.040 you know, teammates, you use to trade tickets and things 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:39.480 like that. 0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:41.200 But man, it was fun. 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:41.359 Man. 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:43.360 I learned how to be a pro, you know. And 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:44.560 I remember Pat Riley. 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:48.280 I wasn't playing initially, and I was kind of pouting, 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:50.960 you know what I mean, And I remember having a 0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:51.399 note to. 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:52.440 Go see Pat. 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:54.560 So I'm like, damn, okay, it's like going to see 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:58.080 the principle like this is intimidating. So I go up 0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:00.600 and see Pat and Pat just tells me how man. Look, 0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:04.920 you know, like I know, you know you're not playing. 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.920 It's not going well for you. But the way you're. 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.399 Handling it, it's not right. You know what I mean? 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:13.839 Your body language in there, you looking disconnected, said, man, 0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:16.240 don't let coach band gun you know, see you pouting. 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.600 Let them see you watching film, Let them see you 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.160 on the court early, let them see you cheering. Start 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:22.839 sitting up closer by the bench so you can hear 0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:25.040 the game plan. I guarantee you gonna get your opportunity. 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.720 And you got to be ready for And that happened. 0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:27.919 Man. 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.160 You know, as a as a professional, they develop you 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:35.439 as a basketball player. They develop you and they push 0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:38.080 you to the brink of you know, asking yourself, am 0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:38.879 I doing the right thing? 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:43.120 Do I really love this? Were on the track doing 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:44.439 what eight? 0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:45.719 Uh? 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:47.000 We had to do six? 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:52.319 It's two times around, that's the eight hundred had six 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.840 eight hundreds for time and pass it. You would have 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:58.480 to do it again, right, So I just remember like 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:02.520 questioning like, am I. 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.879 Am I doing the right thing? Here? With my life? 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:05.600 Is this? What life is? 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:07.120 The humidity in South Florida? 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:11.120 I gotta do eight eight? And the guys who are 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:14.080 part of the culture, they just they d Wade's out there, 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.000 Eddie Jones out there. Rosue used to run like a 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:20.200 dear Rossue. Butler, you donas. You know, nobody without work, 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.080 you donas. But playing for the heat Man changed my life, 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.239 It really did. Man, Like you know, Spo was our 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.720 position coach, and you just knew he had superstar written 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:30.560 all over him. 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:31.399 A lot of. 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.440 People don't like staying van Gundy. He's one of my 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:34.560 favorite coaches of. 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:37.080 Now. It's tough. 0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:38.319 He's tough as a coach, but. 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:39.359 Man, what a good man. 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.080 You know you could be honest with them, transparent with him, 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:45.719 and he's gonna coach you. I remember he wrote in 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:47.879 the huddle one time d Wade was mad at him, 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:52.000 so he drew a star on the on the whiteboard 0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:55.160 and tapped a star like twenty times. He said, here 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:58.960 it is your star, right, your star, And now I 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:02.200 can't coach him. You're starting, I can't coach you. So 0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:05.000 Stan had smoke for everybody. It's gonna call you out. 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:08.160 He accountable and you know, to this day one of 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.680 my favorite Him and Doc are probably my favorite coaches 0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:11.239 that I played for. 0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:16.040 Young d Wade. Yeah, what was that like? 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:19.360 It was like he was Dwayne Wade one day and 0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:20.680 he was the Flash the next. 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:22.520 I mean, you know. 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:26.319 What a talent like you know what I mean, like 0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:30.120 mean as a Rattle State, strong as a Knox, you know, 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:34.000 so much agility, so much poise, and you would just 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.759 see him and spoke crafting on his footwork. You know, 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:40.040 Spoe was like one of the best like developmental coaches 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:44.080 I've ever seen, Like as far as skilled development, Spoe 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:48.920 was so cold at developing talent, right. I know, people 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:50.879 you know see him as this exitent of the old 0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:53.560 guy and all that, but man like the way that 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:56.480 he could teach the game and break it down and 0:53:56.680 --> 0:54:00.120 he just Wade was just crafting. Wave was amazing, and 0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.320 he was fun. He was hard working, he was humble, 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:05.640 he was mean, he was tough. I like playing with 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:07.120 them more than like playing against it. 0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:13.440 Yeah, d Wade always made Shaq obviously coming off a 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:15.320 Laker team where they had a lot of success and 0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:17.520 now he's there. I know, he was a big joker. 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:19.960 Did that ship go off well? And did jokes fly 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:21.440 in Miami the wayther. 0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.200 Well not maybe not with Pat, but Shack is maybe 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:29.120 and Shaq man, you know, Shaq could talk that ship. Yeah, 0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:32.719 Shaq was man just a great teammate, you know what 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:36.440 I mean, like a larger in life figure that you know, 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:40.279 had a hearder goal. But Shaq taught me a very 0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:42.880 important lesson because I used to talk big ship like 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.719 I'm like, what you're wearing? Like you know what I mean, 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:47.759 how you look like, whatever your flaw is, I was 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:49.160 gonna point it out and I was gonna bring it 0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:51.200 up to you, to you in a very comedic way. 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:54.200 I would talk hell of ship. And one day. 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:56.759 Shaq can't want to hit that ship and he just 0:54:56.800 --> 0:54:57.400 got tired. 0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:00.319 God damn it, I can't time to ship. 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:01.560 We're on the plane. 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.719 You. I can't stand this ship. 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:05.000 I'm tired of this ship. 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:06.799 You fucking thoughts in there. 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:11.400 I said, Oh, I ain't even I ain't even messing. 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:12.719 I said I had to. 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:16.760 I had to reevaluate, like you know, going hard on people. 0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:17.719 After that, I was like you. 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:19.879 D was like, man a man, I don't like that ship. Man, 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:20.759 I'm on the minimum to. 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:26.000 Man kind of ship. 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:32.399 Know what a team? Man? Yeah? Was j will there 0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:34.839 with you? No, I was there the year before. They 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:35.399 want it all. 0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.759 So it was like Damon Jones and Eddie Jones and 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:42.120 d Wade, Shaq, your donnas. Like, we had a lot 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:44.520 of vet Steve Smith, Christian Lakener. 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:45.920 We talked about that on the way here. 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:47.680 You you want of the only guys in the NBA 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:49.960 to master the Steve Smith move. 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:51.399 That's you know, yeah, that's my vet. 0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:53.439 Oh yeah, Smithy Smithy man. 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:55.520 Like see, growing up in South Florida, we got to 0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:58.880 see the Heat games and so like when Steve Smith 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.960 came in the game, you know down here, like, yeah, 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:03.719 you got to see him play. And he had this 0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:06.680 little half spin and uh he hit me with it 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:10.120 one time. He was like, oh, young fella. He told me, 0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:11.600 I used to do it a little too fast. 0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:13.360 I'm like, dude, I ain't six eight. I gotta I 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:14.799 gotta be twitchy, you know what I mean. 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:19.080 But Steve is a mentor, a friend, you know, just 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:20.600 set a good example for us. 0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:22.359 Just a really really good man. 0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.279 That's just a mentor too overall, just a great man. 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.759 He taught me to part the post up as a guard. Okay, 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:30.040 that's why I learned how to post up a. 0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:32.640 Sure sure, Yeah, we ain't want to see you facing 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:36.320 up that. They don't even they don't even pivot. You 0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:38.399 don't even play out the triple thread anymore. You don't 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:39.600 even get logo posted. 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:42.320 Make it hard. It's tough. Now, it's a whole different 0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:42.919 ball game. 0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:45.839 You ended up in the Celtis in twenty twelve, Paul 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:47.440 Pierce kg rondo. 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:49.120 How was that? Man? It was? 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.680 It was amazing man, playing with the Celtics. You know, 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:56.960 obviously the Celtics is a prestigious organization. It's something about 0:56:57.080 --> 0:56:58.840 you know what I mean, when you go in that arena, 0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:01.560 you know what I mean, that's different and unique, and 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:03.840 when you go to other arenas, you know, Celtics fans 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:07.359 are everywhere. Yeah, But man, KG, I wish I would 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:09.640 have got to play with him earlier because like, he 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:14.040 unlocked something in you like nobody else. Man, he was 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.800 a sensey, you know what I mean, as far as 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:18.960 giving himself to the game. He did the same thing 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:22.640 the same way, the same time, every game, every practice, 0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:26.760 and he would get himself ready to play like no other. 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:28.920 He's a perfectionist, you know what I mean. 0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:31.680 From the way he watched Family Guy before the game before, 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:33.320 the way you know he go get in the steam 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:36.600 room before the game, the way he you know, blessed 0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:38.919 the environment before he get on the court like he 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:42.280 was systematically. He would do the same thing the same 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:46.240 way every day. And man, that was just a great experience. 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:48.880 I love playing with the Celtics. His My favorite experience 0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:51.640 in basketball was playing with the Celtics. It was a 0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:54.520 real brotherhood. It was like no other. 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:57.720 That year, you got to see the King in Wrath 0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:01.680 on game six, Yeah, yeah, can you walk walk us 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:02.080 through that? 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:05.920 I mean, I try and forget about it, but you 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.080 know it's the I know, right, It's like he was 0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:11.240 like hypnotized almost like you know what I mean, but. 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:13.440 Look at his face right there, you know, he looked. 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:16.280 Right there, you know, you know, and it was like, man, 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:20.080 man Ticket was doing everything to try and get him 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.960 off his game every time he walked, like you know, 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:27.320 bumping into him out like everything Ticket could do, and man, 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.000 we would just go back and just like we we couldn't. 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:32.120 We couldn't do nothing. We couldn't. We just couldn't do 0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:32.760 nothing with him. 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:35.720 But like you have, like great players have to have 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.600 those kind of moments, right, you know what I mean, 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:41.680 because it's something different about them, Like because all of 0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:45.120 us are talented, we can all run, jump, shoot whatever, 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:49.080 but like the super superstars. They have another level of 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:52.160 getting to the zone and then being able to dwell 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.760 there and he's done it for so long. Man, that 0:58:55.880 --> 0:58:57.360 was a long week. We thought we was going to 0:58:57.400 --> 0:58:59.600 the finals. I mean, that was an opportunity to close 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.959 them out. We had been, you know, playing very well. 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.040 We had them game six, we were three to two, 0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:08.600 and the man like just had a legacy game. 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:10.240 Yeah, he had a legacy game. 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:15.400 I know that was a fun team. You were calling 0:59:15.720 --> 0:59:17.120 any fun moments with that squad? 0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:19.120 I mean, you know, like. 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:25.240 Every family, every family you know, has its fuge, right, 0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:28.400 and there was some tension internally, you know with some 0:59:28.480 --> 0:59:34.080 of the guys. But I don't know, man, I think 0:59:34.160 --> 0:59:36.880 you know, I think some of those stories it's meant 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:37.400 for them. 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:39.920 To tell you know what I mean. I respect that, 0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:42.320 but let's just say you know what I mean. 0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:46.840 You know Ray and Rondo, you know what I mean, 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:50.840 Like they they had great feel for each other on 0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:53.760 the court, but like just from a personality standpoint, they 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:55.400 just kind of I. 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:58.040 Wouldn't talk about I'm talking about like fun stories, Okay, 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.280 going down like club shiit isn't it or any of 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:03.320 the stuff with Paul, Like like we work with them. 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:04.520 We burnt out there. 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:08.240 Yeah, we had we had some nights, you know what 1:00:08.320 --> 1:00:09.800 I mean, We had some nights. 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:10.560 Like but. 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:14.760 That was the lockout year, so we was playing back 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:17.480 to back to backs, you know what I mean, Like 1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:20.440 and so like a big part of us, you know, 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:23.480 getting together was like going out to hook a lounge, 1:00:24.360 --> 1:00:26.640 going to eat, you know what I mean, you know, 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:30.000 getting together at each other's cribs and ship like that. 1:00:30.080 --> 1:00:33.480 But like, no, no crazy story. Okay, you got to 1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:36.800 fight with rayam Man, I ain't get in all these fights, 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:39.320 like y'all saying, man, no, me and Ray, Yeah, me 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:42.160 and Ray. Uh we got tangled up, you know like 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:44.000 back in our days we used to compete. 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.240 Yeah, like you know, the game is physical, so. 1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:47.600 It was a lot of o. 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.640 Nah Nah, that wasn't That wasn't average though, y'all. 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:55.760 Yeah you dumped it. Well, Ray hit me with the elbow. 1:00:55.920 --> 1:00:57.680 You're trying to stop on the string, trying to stop 1:00:57.680 --> 1:00:57.800 on that. 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.959 Yeah, you lock on that shoulder and you're chasing coming 1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:04.440 on three staggers, right, and he stopped and he hit 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:08.440 me with that to get up. Yeah, and then you 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:11.240 know it just spilled over into the crowd, you know, 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:13.000 I got five games, probably because I. 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:13.960 Ran the locker room. 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:17.080 Are you the finishing Yeah, you know, I mean you're 1:01:17.120 --> 1:01:17.960 doing nice one too. 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:20.320 It was quick too, but they grabbed plastic. 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:22.400 Man, I know he got you back, But it was 1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:24.880 really Stacey fault though that we got in the fight 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:27.200 because they on the way there, Yeah, the way there, 1:01:28.880 --> 1:01:30.320 you know, hit him in the face, right, But it 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:30.880 wasn't even on. 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:32.600 Purpose, Store, It wasn't on purpose. No, it wasn't just 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:33.520 clipped him right. Yeah. 1:01:33.600 --> 1:01:38.160 Yeah, so Stacey hit him, but you know he hit me. 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:41.200 It's like any meaning money you Stacey. 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:43.560 The first one over there too, The first one over there. 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:47.720 Sta stage pulled Ray right, Stace pulled, he pulled and 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:57.480 put him in the full next and be like, as. 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:58.520 So I go to the locker room, I'm cussing theirs out. 1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:01.040 I'm like, bro, don't y'all never let nobody grab me 1:02:01.120 --> 1:02:02.880 if I'm fighting, somebody grabbed. 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:06.320 Them, like, don't grab me. Yeah, that's how you got 1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:08.600 that's that's that's long. That's how you get teed off. 1:02:08.920 --> 1:02:12.200 They got your arms, you man, I did run to 1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:12.600 the bag. 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:15.560 Are you trying to get them after here? 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:19.320 You don't grab me? What you don't grab me for 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:21.240 something happened. That's that. 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:23.200 That's that untreated trauma. 1:02:23.560 --> 1:02:24.919 That's what that was right there. 1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:28.840 Uh, Ship, you opened up on our instrumental Doc Rivers 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:30.880 and Danny A's work when you were value of your 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:31.880 mental health demons. 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:33.439 Can you shot some of those stories? Yeah? 1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:35.760 Man, I mean I spoke about it earlier. I spent 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:39.160 four days in the mental institution. And you know, here's 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:42.440 the thing about like this game behind the game, right, 1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:44.479 That's why what you guys do is so important because 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:47.800 it's these what what people see and then what really happens. 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:48.120 Right. 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:50.680 Doc Rivers came to see me every day while I 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:54.360 was in the mental institution. Every single morning, Doctor, I'm. 1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:56.680 Just coming leave alone. 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.200 I'll be here for you know, Doc and you know 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:01.520 that little one bowl, you know, he was there every 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:05.600 day to come and see me. Simultaneously, Danny was going 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:08.440 to our house in Wellesley to check on my family. 1:03:09.200 --> 1:03:12.920 And so when you talk about what makes organizations different, 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:18.600 it's not just the aesthetics, it's the infrastructure. 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:20.080 It's the people, you. 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:22.920 Know what I mean that create the heat culture or 1:03:22.960 --> 1:03:29.080 the Celtics mantras in Stigma and Danny Ainge and Doc rivers, 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:31.160 you know, or two of the best men our game 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:31.800 has ever seen. 1:03:32.920 --> 1:03:35.919 I love to hear it. What do the next few 1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:39.200 years look like for you? Oh man? 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:41.320 Getting back into the thing I got into. 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:44.000 Get back to it. We might have to work for 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:45.480 you over here if you want to come fuck with us. 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:46.680 Man, I need that work. 1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:46.959 Man. 1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:50.200 You know, like I have some gifts, right, you know 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:50.640 what I mean? 1:03:50.680 --> 1:03:54.440 Like I've always had a gift to speak, to communicate, 1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:59.160 to inspire, to motivate, and so I'm gonna stay true 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:03.720 to that. Doing a documentary on this experience, because I 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:09.560 think it's best we tell our own stories and control 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:13.120 the narrative, but like in an authentic way. And so 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:16.680 you know, I'm gonna push out the documentary, and you know, 1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:19.480 me and Trevor been, you know, kind of having some 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:21.760 conversations about some things that we can do. 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:25.520 But I'm gonna be around the game one way or another. 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:26.760 You know. 1:04:26.920 --> 1:04:29.600 I thank God for my buddy staying Remy from Remy 1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:32.520 workouts because while I was at the halfway House, I 1:04:32.560 --> 1:04:34.760 got to work on the court with NBA players every 1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:37.840 day and work with the youth every day. And I 1:04:37.880 --> 1:04:40.880 know there's a certain rhythm and cadence that I'm able 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:46.800 to you know, unlock in in in hoopers, and then 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:49.560 I think there's a certain wisdom from our experience that 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:50.200 I'm able to. 1:04:50.160 --> 1:04:52.360 Help them avoid a lot of things. 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:54.640 And so the next few years for me, man, I'm 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:58.920 really gonna focus on, you know, creating content, pushing out 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:03.400 this docuseriy, contributing to the game of basketball, right and 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:08.400 in a number of different ways, right, But more so 1:05:08.440 --> 1:05:12.000 than anything with that as well, it's like the prison reform, 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:14.000 you know what I mean. And it's not like just 1:05:14.080 --> 1:05:18.080 a reform. It's just like when I was down, we 1:05:18.120 --> 1:05:21.360 had no speakers that looked like me that came through, right, 1:05:21.880 --> 1:05:25.120 And I think there's a demographic in the lot of 1:05:25.120 --> 1:05:28.280 people that look like you in there that's being ignored 1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:33.480 somewhat neglected, you know. And I say that in the 1:05:33.600 --> 1:05:38.960 nicest way possible and isolated. And so, you know, because 1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:43.200 I went through this experience, I'm forever feeling right, and 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:45.840 I have a platform and I have a voice to 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:48.880 bring up, you know, some of the things that go on, 1:05:49.080 --> 1:05:50.520 so you can help, you. 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:52.800 Know, provoke change in a positive way. 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:56.520 It's not a judgment thing because everything was not bad there, right, 1:05:56.800 --> 1:05:59.480 You know everything was not bad, but there's room for 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:02.720 improvement in that system. And so yeah, man, I'm just 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:05.120 I'm locked in for that, man, and I'm here for it, 1:06:05.240 --> 1:06:06.000 and I'm. 1:06:05.800 --> 1:06:07.840 Looking forward to the next phase of life. 1:06:08.440 --> 1:06:11.040 And like at the end of the day, Matt, I'm 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:15.120 gonna stand ten toes down. I'm not the same me. 1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:17.880 I'm a different version of me right now because I 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:19.600 don't give a fuck as much as I used to 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:22.720 as far as how people view me or or what 1:06:23.280 --> 1:06:26.560 you know, somebody's image of me is I can't care 1:06:26.720 --> 1:06:29.320 about because I know who I am now and I 1:06:29.360 --> 1:06:31.800 know what I can endure, right and I also know 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:33.600 what I can have to avoid on a. 1:06:33.920 --> 1:06:38.640 Journey to find that person. Yes, I know what about Uh? 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:41.120 What about what about Big Three? 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:42.440 Oh? 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:45.320 So that's the question I had to ask my birthday. 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:47.560 Look like, great ship. 1:06:47.480 --> 1:06:49.400 I'm still dunking. I'm still dunking. 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:52.240 If you thinking about coming back in the game, the 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:53.480 Big Thing would love to have you. 1:06:53.640 --> 1:06:57.000 Okay, Well, I received that and we'll talk about okay that. 1:06:57.600 --> 1:07:05.040 I need a little cut it out, sir, well, quick 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:07.240 hitters before we get you out of your one piece 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:09.200 of advice you would give your younger self. 1:07:10.800 --> 1:07:13.919 The piece of advice that I would give my younger self. 1:07:15.080 --> 1:07:18.560 Is wow. I think I would have got my. 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:21.640 Relationship with the Lord better right and tried to follow 1:07:21.680 --> 1:07:25.480 the teachings of my faith a little bit more. I 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:29.160 wish I would have been honest about, you know, some 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:33.080 of the things that I experienced, so that I could 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:34.560 have dealt with them along the way. 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:36.640 A lot of times when you don't deal with things 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:37.200 along the. 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:41.840 Way, other habits and things come because you're masking and you're. 1:07:41.720 --> 1:07:43.440 Hurting and you're avoiding certain things. 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:46.600 And so I would have done my work earlier, and 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:49.080 I would have tried more to you know what I'm saying, 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:50.880 get be in alignment with my faith. 1:07:52.000 --> 1:07:52.880 Kind of off script. 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:56.040 But the woman behind you, uh huh, they held you 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:58.520 down through all this, huh absolutely? 1:07:58.560 --> 1:07:59.120 What about her? 1:07:59.280 --> 1:07:59.440 Man? 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:01.200 You know what, man, Tash, go back. 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:04.760 We got together when we were sixteen years old, and 1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:07.959 you know, we got four beautiful kids together, and every 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:10.520 step of the way she's been, you know, right here 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:14.040 for me. And the good thing about like, you know, 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:17.719 relationships and things like that. Man, Hey, they're not always perfect. 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:21.439 They're not always peaches and cream. You're gonna have highs 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:24.400 and lows, Lord knows, I made a shitload of mistakes 1:08:24.640 --> 1:08:28.880 all the way right, and you know, like through it all, 1:08:29.280 --> 1:08:30.960 you know what I mean, through it all the ups, 1:08:31.000 --> 1:08:33.720 the downs, the trials, the tribulations, and because we've been 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:37.080 together so long, it's really all we know. And so 1:08:37.439 --> 1:08:39.880 like in this process, there was a time where we 1:08:39.920 --> 1:08:41.320 had to take some space. 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:44.960 And evaluate, Hey, it's just where we want to be. 1:08:45.280 --> 1:08:47.439 Like we've been doing this thing for twenty plus years, 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:50.519 where all each other knows it's a lot going on 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:53.759 right now. And I couldn't do anything but respect that part, 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:55.800 right because like at the end of the day, you 1:08:55.880 --> 1:08:57.760 have to make your bed, you have to sleep in it. 1:08:58.240 --> 1:09:01.799 But man, God is so good man. And love is kind, 1:09:02.120 --> 1:09:05.960 love is patient, love is forgiveness, and you know, we 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:08.680 found it in our hearts to you know, say that 1:09:08.760 --> 1:09:11.360 it's better for us to be together. We better together. 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:14.960 Our kids are stronger when we're together, you know what 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:17.440 I mean. We still love each other like we're youngsters. 1:09:17.439 --> 1:09:19.680 When I look at my babe, I look at her 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:23.200 and I see you know myself, I see my children, 1:09:23.640 --> 1:09:26.840 different versions of my children's face in her, and I 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:27.439 just love her. 1:09:27.439 --> 1:09:28.240 Man, that's my girl. 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:32.200 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, they love it. I love it. I 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:32.479 love it. 1:09:32.520 --> 1:09:37.479 Go ahead, Jack one album on repeat right now that 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:42.680 I can't stop with Dad, k Dot not enough, Like 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:47.160 I can't stop man like Dot like Dot, don't like Dot, 1:09:47.200 --> 1:09:50.000 don't discipline like Kendrick Dogg. 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:52.840 It's like, man, it's like, I don't know, man. It's 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:56.160 something about the way that he raps in the content 1:09:56.280 --> 1:10:00.800 that he creates that I feel in my spirit. It's 1:10:00.880 --> 1:10:04.960 like like like, so I got that. 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:06.840 I got that Dot on repeat right now? 1:10:07.400 --> 1:10:10.439 Five dinner guests dead, are alive? You plus five at 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:13.679 the dinner table. Food, great environment, great who you're sitting 1:10:13.680 --> 1:10:14.400 around that table with. 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:14.800 Man. 1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:17.040 You know what, man, one of my favorite people, if 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:21.400 not my favorite man in history, you know, besides Jesus, Right, 1:10:21.640 --> 1:10:22.400 it's my pops. 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:24.799 And I really miss my dad. 1:10:25.240 --> 1:10:27.920 And if I could sit down and have dinner with 1:10:27.960 --> 1:10:31.240 my pops, we'll talk plenty of ship. Right, And so 1:10:31.320 --> 1:10:33.479 I missed my dad. I would love to sit down 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:36.640 with him. My wife always invited to my table, so 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:39.040 I ain't gonna never, you know, have a table and 1:10:39.120 --> 1:10:43.000 she can't be at it. But man, you know, like 1:10:43.040 --> 1:10:45.160 some of my favorite people. Man, it's like I love 1:10:45.240 --> 1:10:49.200 Dion Sanders. Yeah, man, like you know Deon Sanders, is. 1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:53.920 You got a chance? No, no, got got? I would 1:10:53.920 --> 1:10:54.439 be real cool. 1:10:54.479 --> 1:11:00.120 Yeah, is such an inspiration. I would have to say, 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:04.840 you know, Malcolm X brother, but that man, you know, 1:11:04.960 --> 1:11:08.320 just reading his just reading some of his books and 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:11.240 hearing some of his speeches, and you know, his his 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:14.680 command of the language and his toughness in his s 1:11:14.680 --> 1:11:21.200 nenness unbelievable. And you know, last, but not least, I'll say, 1:11:21.280 --> 1:11:24.400 you know President Obama, you know what I mean, Like, 1:11:24.479 --> 1:11:27.559 you know, President Obama is somebody I always felt like 1:11:27.680 --> 1:11:30.080 if you can, you know, sit at a table with him, 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:31.760 you know what I mean. He's like one of the 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:32.839 few people who make. 1:11:33.280 --> 1:11:34.240 Everybody kind of blush. 1:11:34.400 --> 1:11:35.760 It's like, damn, that's Baraccover. 1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:38.240 So those would be like the people would like to 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:38.879 sit down. 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:42.760 With best Florida raised athlete of all time. 1:11:42.880 --> 1:11:47.160 Oh that's very easy, Prime, Yeah, no question. 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:50.160 It ain't even seen them Windmill like you go back 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:53.400 and see him in those dogs. Yeah, it's like the 1:11:53.400 --> 1:11:55.200 greatest athlete maybe of all time. 1:11:55.920 --> 1:12:00.479 Jackson. Yeah, man, you know, like Prime, if. 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:02.400 It was one guess that you would like to see 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:05.120 on all the smoke, who would it be, But you 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:07.439 have to help us get your answer on the show. 1:12:07.640 --> 1:12:13.840 Okay, all right, man, you guys do such great work 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:20.320 and y'all like the environment is so relaxing. Who would 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:25.040 I love to see come on this show. Have y'all 1:12:25.080 --> 1:12:26.080 had mellow yet? 1:12:26.439 --> 1:12:28.560 Yeah? I've had mellow guaranteed. 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:32.559 Okay, Yeah, let me think. 1:12:32.400 --> 1:12:35.040 You that where's wzy Att? 1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:38.960 Yeah? Let me man. 1:12:39.040 --> 1:12:41.439 Most people don't know this man. Chris Wilcox is an 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:42.520 amazing businessman. 1:12:43.880 --> 1:12:49.280 I want to let him the reservation stuff he got. 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:52.960 Yeah, Man, we'll do shout out spoon to spoon with him. 1:12:53.200 --> 1:12:58.120 Yeah, but yeah, no, Wheelcox would be somebody you know, obviously. 1:12:57.840 --> 1:12:59.960 A national champion, played a long time, went. 1:12:59.800 --> 1:13:02.960 Through heart issues and so you know he had had 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:05.719 to face you know, morality, you know, in a sense. 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:07.920 But yeah, Chris will also be somebody pretty cool that 1:13:08.000 --> 1:13:08.760 y'all could deal with. 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:10.320 The old school I had in the bet he bought 1:13:10.320 --> 1:13:12.080 it from. Did he tricked it out? 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:14.679 Yeah? He looked good. Hey man, we love you, man, 1:13:14.800 --> 1:13:15.280 I love man. 1:13:15.280 --> 1:13:19.599 I love you too, Man, I always will always. 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:22.760 I feel like the best hag you have to come 1:13:22.800 --> 1:13:26.320 for you you've always been and the reason why you've 1:13:26.360 --> 1:13:28.880 messed up in the past, and even before we started talking, 1:13:28.920 --> 1:13:31.879 I'm like, nah, you tell your side because you've always 1:13:31.880 --> 1:13:33.800 been stand up and your heart has always been in 1:13:33.840 --> 1:13:35.639 the right place. You just slipped up a few times 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:38.200 to be able to address the childhood trauma and everything 1:13:38.240 --> 1:13:41.240 that came from it and have that humility to accept 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:44.639 responsibility and better yourself. The doors are going to open 1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:46.240 back up and in a matter of time, so I'm 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:47.400 glad you was able to fun with. 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:49.559 Thank you so much for having me. Man All the Smoke. 1:13:49.680 --> 1:13:52.360 Next time I come on All the Smoke, I should 1:13:52.439 --> 1:13:53.200 be a probation. 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:01.280 You can catch this on All Smoke Production YouTube and 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:02.439 the Draft Cans Network. 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:03.599 We'll see y'all next time. 1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:26.120 H mm hmmmm mm, hmmm hmm