1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: M m. 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm mm hmm. 3 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: Welcome back to all the Smoke Miami, our basil. Shout 4 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: out to the lazy Susan House been blessing us this. 5 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Uh, we just smoke this trip. Shout out Trey. Yes, indeed, Jack. 6 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 3: I think we pride ourselves on making people feel comfortable 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 3: enough to really express themselves because there's no ind agenda, 8 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 3: there's no tricks here. We genuinely care and love our guests, 9 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: and I think today is a really special opportunity to 10 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: find out what's going on with with one of our 11 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: favorite people. This dude has always been standing up since 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: day one. I met him, played against him in college, 13 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: played with him in the pros, and just one of those. 14 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: Real, genuine good people. 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: But he was also haunted by some ship and it 16 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: came to a tipping point. 17 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: And correct me if I'm wrong. You just got out Monday. 18 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: Six days, Bro, it's been six days, six days. 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, my brother. 20 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 4: Yeah you already know. 21 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: Let's let's you just told this is your first interviews? Yeah, 22 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 3: what I mean, let's walk down what's been going on 23 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: because a lot of people have kind of read stuff 24 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: and heard stuff, but a lot of us really love 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: you and really want to know from your mouth are 26 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: you good? 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: And what happened? 28 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, Matt? So first off, thank you for having me, 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 4: you know, you know, just kind of watching you'll growth 30 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: in this space has been inspiring to me and to 31 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 4: most of us, right, you know, because we all inspire 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 4: and learn from one another. 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: So you really know it too. 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 4: So I know you're not You're not now, but you 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 4: know I'm good, man, I'm good. I think you know. 36 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 4: You know, last two years probably been the most difficult 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 4: season of life for me. And you know the good 38 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 4: thing about seasons is that they don't last forever, right, 39 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 4: They change, they grow, they evolve, and it's how you 40 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 4: come out of that season, right do you do You 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: get stuck in pity, embarrassment, guilt, shame, fear, whatever could 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: stagnate you. You can get stuck in that, right And 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 4: this ain't the season of fear, of stagnation. This is 44 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: the season of redemption for me. This is the season 45 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 4: to embrace the experience, the journey, honesty, transparency, because I think, 46 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: like you know, especially for us as Hoopers, we learned 47 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 4: from one another, right, you know, we learned from one another. 48 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: We learned so much. We teach each other so much. 49 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: Eddie Jones showed me how to tie my double windsor tie. 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: You know, there's so many guys who you know, show 51 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: you about work ethic and how to deal with the media, 52 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: and how to help me your family, and how to 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: be a professional. So this is an opportunity for us 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: to learn, learn from mistakes, learn from adversity, and embrace 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 4: that shit. Right, don't be afraid of what you go through. 56 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 4: You grow through it. Absolutely sure. 57 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: A bunch of NBA brothers went down with the health 58 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: insurance situation. Our brother Glenn Davis just sat down and 59 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: a few other people. But talk to us about how 60 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: that came about across your plate and why you chose 61 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: to participate in it. 62 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, you know, I try to be very clear 63 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: on the fact that it was just a bad judgment. 64 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: It was a mistake, It was greed. It was trying 65 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: to you know, navigate in an the wrong way. You know, 66 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 4: I didn't wait on God for opportunities, you know what 67 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: I'm saying to open up for me. 68 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 5: I saw not even an opportunity. 69 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: I won't call it an opportunity, you know, I saw 70 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: a lick, so to speak, Right, obviously we had the 71 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: supplemental supplemental Benefits card. You know, if you played long enough, 72 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 4: you have a lot of money on that card, and 73 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: that's supposed to be for you know, medical dental vision. 74 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: Not only you, but your family, YEP, and your. 75 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 4: Family, and you know, if you don't use it, you 76 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 4: lose it. And I saw it sitting there and I saw, 77 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 4: you know, it's a it's a brotherhood league or whatever. 78 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 4: And I'm not pointing a finger at anybody, but I 79 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: got exposed to it. You know, some cash was moving 80 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 4: around doing that, and I decided to do it. And man, 81 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: one of the worst, not one of the worst, the 82 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 4: worst decision I made in my entire life. 83 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 5: And you know, I embrace it. 84 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: You know, I'm apologetic for it, and you know what 85 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: I mean, Like, that's why I'm open to speaking about it, 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 4: right because I don't want anybody else to put themselves 87 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: in harm's way. I don't want anybody to bite that 88 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 4: apple from that tree in any way, shape or form. 89 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 4: And so I decided to do it and made that mistake, 90 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 4: but I did my time for it. Did eighteen months 91 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: in federal custody, ten months in six months halfway house, 92 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 4: two months home confinement and I'm here right. 93 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: I'm over those days, like though, because again and we're 94 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: going to dig into it, your childhood. We're going to 95 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: talk about what happened there. But you beat that. Oh 96 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: you went on to college. You beat college, you went 97 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: onto the league, and you were at the top of 98 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: the mountain. 99 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 100 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: So to have that, to have you personally step away 101 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: from the game and then next thing, you know, a 102 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: handful of years later, you're in. 103 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: Locked up. What is I like? 104 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's a world wind somewhat, right, because 105 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 4: like when you go through things like unhealed trauma, it's 106 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: stored in your body, right, and when somebody touches the 107 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: right button, pokes the right button, we could be triggered. 108 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: And coming from an environment where I come from, I'm 109 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, the heart of the city, and like, 110 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: it's a lot of shit that we experienced growing up 111 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 4: that we pushed down, right. And when you hooping, man, 112 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 4: you're so busy accomplishing and becoming, and there's always these 113 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 4: benchmarks that you're trying to achieve that you don't really 114 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 4: get the process, the journey. What you've seen, you know, 115 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 4: gunshots you know, you know, molestation, you know, poverty. It 116 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 4: brings a certain amount of trauma. And I think, like 117 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 4: what we're so fortunate about is that, like we were 118 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 4: able to channel that shit in the hoops. We was 119 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: able to go out and put that energy into something positive. 120 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 4: And I think we came up in a time where 121 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 4: the game was really starting to grow, the AAU seem 122 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: was starting to grow. We had some transformational players during 123 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 4: that time. I played AAU with T Mac and Yourdonnas 124 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 4: and you know a lot of guys from you know, 125 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: the state of Florida. Kobe had just came out. So 126 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 4: I was able to channel you know what I mean 127 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 4: that into basketball. And you know one thing about me 128 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: is I was able to dig deeper than most people, 129 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I was super athletic, super quick, 130 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: but like that dog. It was other people who were 131 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 4: super athletic quick could do everything with it, but I 132 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 4: could do it longer and harder. 133 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: And dwell there. 134 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: And so I was able to, you know, channel a 135 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 4: lot of that trauma into my hoops. But it's still 136 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: there because a certain amount of challenges come as you elevate. 137 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 5: And you take on so much, take on so much for. 138 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: Your family, for your community, from your homeboys and people 139 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: who you come up with. There's so many expectations and 140 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: entitlements that are hard to navigate. And the programming wasn't 141 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 4: as good then, you know what I mean, The culture 142 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 4: around the game wasn't as good, It wasn't as professional, 143 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 4: and you know, like you, you know, you you go 144 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: through these different phases, right. So when I got indicted, 145 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: I was coaching. It was right after Game six. I 146 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: was coaching with the Utah Jazz. I've been around the 147 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: game of basketball. It's the only thing I know, you know, 148 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 4: working for the Players Association, working for the Celtics in 149 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: the front office, coaching for the Utah Jazz. 150 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 5: I've always been around the game. 151 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 4: And you know when that when that had knock, came 152 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: that phone call, you know, about four or five in 153 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 4: the morning, you know, five calls in a row. 154 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, something's going on. 155 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: Looked outside the Feds were there five six cars, you 156 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 4: know what I mean, strapped up to the te right, 157 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 4: and you know, I just had to go back and 158 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 4: you know, tell my wife like little Bay, I'm about 159 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 4: to go to jail. 160 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: Had there been any previous discussion about anything going on 161 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: or was this the first time he kind of sprung 162 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 3: it on her? 163 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 5: No, I sprung it, Yeah, on it. 164 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: Hey, dude, I didn't know I was gonna get indicted, right, 165 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: So they did a superseding indictment for me. So the 166 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: first group of guys went through their situation probably a year. 167 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: You know, he couldn't tell her she wasn't gonna support that. No, No, 168 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 4: she wouldn't. She wouldn't. And you know, a lot of 169 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: times as men, you know, being vulnerable, it's very difficult, 170 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 171 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 5: It's like, you know, I'm here to protect and provide, and. 172 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 6: When you can't do that, when you at the point 173 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 6: where you you know, I understand, Bro, I understand. 174 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: You know, I understand. 175 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,599 Speaker 4: And one of the most difficult things I had to 176 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 4: grapple with is that. 177 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 5: Dude, I didn't have to do it. 178 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 179 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And that that that's where 180 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: a lot of my internal work came. You know, in 181 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: sitting down, it's like, Okay, you made a decision that 182 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: hurt your family. Ultimately, not just your family, bro, you 183 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 4: hurt your community, You hurt your friends, you hurt your 184 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 4: allies in the basketball space who love you, adore you, 185 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 4: respect you, appreciate you. Because I did a lot of 186 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 4: good work, a lot of good work, a lot of 187 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: good work, and mentored a lot of young men, potty 188 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: trained them. 189 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 6: As I like to say, this small ship situation can't 190 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 6: overshadow that though I don't think so. This small situation 191 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 6: will not overshadow the good. 192 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I agree with that, Steve. But when 193 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: you're in it right. 194 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 5: It gets really silent. 195 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 4: It's really cold, and people who you know you were 196 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 4: in relationship with, in friendship with, you know, with bonds 197 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 4: that go back twenty years, won't pick up the phone, 198 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: won't check on your family. It's not a lot of 199 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 4: guys who checked up on my wife and my kids 200 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 4: wild away, you know. But the ones who did, you 201 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 4: know what I mean, and the ones who were supportive, 202 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 4: I thank God for them, right, because sometimes you have 203 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 4: to go through adversity to see who really. 204 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: Fucks with you. Absolutely, you know what I mean. 205 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 4: So I'm so thankful, you know what I mean that, Like, 206 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 4: you know, so many of my friends, not so many, 207 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 4: but a handful of my friends, my old teammates, some 208 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 4: of the guys who I grew up with, and then 209 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: it's some unlikely people, right, people who you you might know, 210 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 4: y'all might have a great relationship, but you ain't know 211 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 4: they love you like that. You love me more than 212 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 4: some of the people who I, you know, had to 213 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: take care of. You gave the most too, you know. 214 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: And so you deal with all those different elements, right, 215 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: and you try and process them, and you try and 216 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 4: learn from them, and you're try and be accountable for them. 217 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 4: I think that's when the real change comes, right, it's 218 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 4: the accountability part of your mistakes to fall out. And 219 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 4: just because guys you know, got silent and cold, I 220 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: ain't mad at them for that. 221 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: I went through the angry phase. You know. 222 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: It could be fear associated with that. Some of those 223 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 4: guys could have been doing some of the things that 224 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 4: kind of got me locked up that they might be 225 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 4: intimidated by, right, you know. 226 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: And so. 227 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: It's just a part of the game. It's a part 228 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 4: of the experience. But it's like that anger and the 229 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: resentment and the the off that I felt, I don't 230 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 4: have that anymore. 231 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: What did you learn about yourself during this process? Man? 232 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 4: You know what I learned one that I'm not invincible, 233 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: I'm not Superman. 234 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: But they build us up to be that, Yeah, they do. 235 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 4: And not only that, you know, we have to have 236 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: that internal confidence in ourselves in order to you know, 237 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 4: like ascend to the levels. 238 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: That we like. 239 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 4: Dude, we played what over? How many years did you play? 240 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 4: Fourteen fourteen? I played in thirteen seasons? Right, Like, even 241 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 4: within the elite group of the NBA, there's not many 242 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 4: people who got that tenn right, you know what I mean. 243 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: So there's a certain amount of you know, Superman syndrome 244 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 4: that we embrace. You know, like, hey, man, I loved 245 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 4: love being able to help my family and my friends 246 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 4: and inspire and you know what I mean, bring sustenance 247 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 4: to them when they needed something and things like that. 248 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 4: So you embrace that, right. But you know, with that virtue, 249 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: with that giving, you know what I mean, when it's 250 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 4: not reciprocated, man, it could make us isolate. It can 251 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: make us go deeper into drinking, smoking, being promiscuous, being angry, 252 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: making bad decisions, you know what I mean, Because we 253 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 4: give so much virtue and then we're not getting reaped, 254 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 4: We're not getting anything back, you know what I mean, 255 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 4: And so then you start to even question the people 256 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 4: around you, like you know what I mean, how they 257 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 4: really view you? So and going through this, what did 258 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 4: I learned about myself? I learned that I'm a resilient motherfucker. 259 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 4: I learned that I stand on business. I don't have 260 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 4: no snitching me, no cutting. 261 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: Me, you know what I mean. 262 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 4: Like you know, when when the folks came and knocked 263 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: on my door, you know, I accepted, you know the 264 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: responsibility that came with it. I wasn't gonna put anybody's 265 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: family through what me and my family was experienced rules, 266 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I learned also learned that, 267 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 4: like you know, the decisions that we make can have. 268 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 5: Such an impact on the people who rely. 269 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: On and love you. You know what I mean? 270 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 4: You know what we bring to our families, what we 271 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 4: bring to our careers, what we bring to the buildings. 272 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 4: Where we bring this energy, this swagger, this confidence, this authenticity. 273 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: And you let those folks down. Man, that was very 274 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 4: difficult for me to grapple with. I lost about thirty 275 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: pounds during the indictment process. 276 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: Really and you. 277 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 4: Already yeah, I'm already as well, you know what I'm saying. 278 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: But I lost about thirty pounds. I couldn't eat I 279 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 4: couldn't sleep. I was embarrassed, you know, like I was 280 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 4: concerned for my family because I was facing I was 281 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: facing some time, you know. 282 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 5: So I was very fortunate to get thirty months. 283 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: Was there a part during that, not to cut you off, 284 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: there a part during that that that clicked, like when 285 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: when you're in there with her, a part that clicked, 286 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: Like you said, you went through all these emotions from 287 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: frustrating to embarrassed. Was it a part where Okay, was 288 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: it in there when you realize you need to turn 289 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: the page when you got like what was that? 290 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? 291 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 5: It was in there. 292 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was in there because you know, like when 293 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 4: you're incarcerated, bro, you're own locked down. 294 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 5: A lot, you're on locked down a lot. 295 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: You know, my ten months in there, we probably just 296 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 4: locked down for three of those months where you necessarily 297 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 4: can't go outside. The TV rooms might be locked, you 298 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 4: know what I mean, and no commisary, you know what 299 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 4: I mean. Like, it's a whole bunch of things that 300 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 4: happened in that environment that you know, most people don't 301 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 4: know about, they don't understand. Well, I understand it now. 302 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 4: That's why I'm so, That's why I want to be 303 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 4: a voice, you know for you know, some reform and 304 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 4: some accountability, you know, within what goes on with guys 305 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: who are incarcerated. But something clicked in my writings, you know, 306 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 4: as as Hooper's Dog. We got to be routine based. 307 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: So I got my routine. I jumped on my routine 308 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 4: as soon as I got there. You know, the first night, 309 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 4: I did not shower. I didn't want to go to 310 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 4: the restroom, you know what I mean, I just really 311 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 4: wanted to kind of sit there right, But the brus 312 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 4: in there wouldn't let that happen, you know what I mean. 313 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: They came brought me a bag because we was locked down, 314 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: so they brought me some shoes, brought me some commissary, 315 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 4: brought me some clothes and things like that. It's really humbling, brother, 316 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 4: It's really humbling. I took a lot of pride in 317 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: my swag, in my attire old way, you know, and uh, 318 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 4: you know, to to you know, to have to wear 319 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 4: grays and browns is very humbling. 320 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: What was it like in there with obviously the hit 321 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 3: where you came from. You came from the NBA. Yeah, 322 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you played with some of 323 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: the greatest players. You were you were special in your 324 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: own way, that that helping situations that fuck you up 325 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: in situations like how was that? 326 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: Well, it was twofold with that. I think initially it 327 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 4: was difficult because being high profile in that system, you 328 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 4: know what I mean a lot of times, you know, 329 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 4: it could just bring a certain elements target, Yeah, you 330 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 4: can bring. You can bring a certain element from the 331 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: officers you know, from you know, the inmates alike, right, 332 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: and everything you. 333 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 5: Do is being watched. 334 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 4: So the way you carry yourself, who you're speaking to, 335 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like you know, just everything 336 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 4: you know, the raid always kind of on me. 337 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 5: But you know what I just did is I just 338 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 5: went and did what I know. 339 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 4: Treat people with respect, you know what I mean, Learn 340 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: the rules of the environment that you're in. Be authentic, 341 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: be routine based, not rely on anybody for anything, you 342 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 4: know what I mean. Get with the right people who 343 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 4: you know you can work out with, cook and eat with. 344 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: You have to put the past. Did you have to 345 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: put them palls in? 346 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 3: I did not have to put them palls on nobody. 347 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: No, I ain't have to. 348 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: I didn't have to throw my knuckles at all, you know, Like, 349 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 4: no I saw some ship in there. You know, there 350 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: was a riot while I was there. You know, I saw, 351 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 4: you know, I saw, you know, some stuff happened. You'll 352 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 4: be really surprised that, like how quick shit can change 353 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 4: in there. 354 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 5: Right, No, I didn't have to throw hands with anybody. 355 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 4: I had a couple disagreements or anything, you know like that, 356 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 4: but you know, nothing that I couldn't verbally work out, 357 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 4: so you know what I mean, Like my manhood wasn't 358 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 4: tested or anything like that, you know. And I ain't 359 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: no small dude. I'm skinny and small like in our space, 360 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 4: but we like we like Netflix, we like Anaanaki, like 361 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: we ain't like natural humans, we like super huge. 362 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 5: Right, so yeah, no, I didn't have to throw my knuckles. 363 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 6: What I took from all that is is, you know, 364 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 6: when I retired too, I went through a little time 365 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 6: and you said something that resonated to me. And I 366 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 6: heard this more than anything you said. And we I 367 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 6: think everybody is guilty of that at some point in 368 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 6: their life, when they're thinking that I can get up 369 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 6: and just do what I want to do or make 370 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 6: something happen. But I had a situation where I had 371 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 6: to sit and wait on guard too. So that that 372 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 6: shit touched me. Yeah, because I had a time when 373 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 6: I retired I had to sit and wait on guard too. 374 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he brought him in my life. Yeah, I 375 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: felt you on that. Yeah. No, we all have to 376 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: learn from that, bro, We all have to learn. 377 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 4: The Bible tells me, man that the steps of a 378 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 4: good man or ordered by the Lord. Right now, on 379 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 4: my vision board, I had that I wanted to be 380 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: a coach. 381 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 5: It was what I was trying the work to become. 382 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 4: And two a year and a half after, you know, 383 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 4: I was, you know, hustling with what I got locked 384 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 4: up for coaching, opportunity came right and so you know, 385 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: it was so anti climatic for me because, like you know, 386 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 4: the apex of one of my goals to be able 387 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 4: to be around the game and to learn from Quinn 388 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 4: Snyder who was my college coach, and he trusted me 389 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 4: to hire me. Good dude, and something that I had 390 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 4: done in the past, you know what I mean, came 391 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: to kind of knock me off. 392 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: That man. It broke my. 393 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 4: Heart, not only for myself and my family, but Quinn. 394 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 4: I let Quenn down. I was my college coach. I 395 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 4: was his first pro I love the dude and uh 396 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 4: to go down on his watch, you know, really hurt 397 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: through text. You know, I keep in touch with a 398 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: few of the guys from my coaching staff. But like man, 399 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: I got really authentic and good relationships with with some 400 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: really and good authentic people. So anybody who I didn't 401 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 4: speak to or anything like that, it could be two things, 402 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: you know. 403 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 5: One they couldn't maybe they ain't fuck with me like 404 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 5: I thought. 405 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: Or two they could be afraid of the stigma associated 406 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 4: with what I've gone through, right, you know, the affiliation 407 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 4: of somebody who's going down, because that is a real 408 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 4: thing when you're feeling. Man, you know, it is like 409 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 4: a author and it's like an a on your chest. 410 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 5: It's enough on your chest. 411 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 4: And in our industry that's not common, I know, you 412 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, it's not common in our 413 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: industry because like in our industry, you almost have to 414 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 4: be flawless at every intersection, and when you get a 415 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 4: stain on it, you can be replaced. 416 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 5: And so yeah, man, it's just a part of it. 417 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: For the upbringing same Sea making vc Omar in Florida. 418 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: To paint the. 419 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 4: Picture, well, man, I grew up in the eighties man, 420 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 4: and it was, Man, it was so awesome growing up 421 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 4: in the eighties. We got a car culture down here. 422 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 4: We ride donks, we like, you know, it was the eighties. 423 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: It was a dope boy central, you know what I mean. 424 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 4: A lot of a lot of narcotics was coming. 425 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 5: Through this area. 426 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 4: So it was it was great growing up there in 427 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 4: a sense because we had a sense of family since community, 428 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 4: you know, you knew somebody who knew your people. 429 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 5: So it still was like that generation. It felt like. 430 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: Old school takes a village. 431 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 5: It takes a village. 432 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 4: But you saw the impact of crack and how that 433 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: impacted the family, like you really saw the change, like 434 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 4: pretty quickly. And you know, just growing up down in 435 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 4: South Florida. Man, we're big on sports, so you know, basketball, 436 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 4: football especially, we play in the street football, you know 437 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: what I mean. 438 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 5: We you know football during football season. 439 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 4: Basketball during basketball seas. So I grew up man in 440 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 4: a time where I think it was very unique and 441 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 4: it was fun. It's shaped it shaped me right on 442 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 4: my journey. And man, I just I got a soft 443 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: spot for for a lot of it. I love being 444 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 4: from the crib. I love what's happening in Florida. Obviously 445 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 4: it's a football state, but we're kind of changing that 446 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 4: a little bit. 447 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 5: It's so much talent. 448 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 4: We always had great athletes with dogs, but now, man, 449 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: you know, with a lot of the skills trainers staying 450 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 4: Remy from Remy. 451 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 5: Workouts, there's a lot of guys who are. 452 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 4: Training our athletes now with skill and precision. So I'm 453 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 4: excited on, like, you know, with the future holes for 454 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 4: Florida's basketball. 455 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 6: We all had our own reasons becoming you know, men 456 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 6: at a young age. Me growing up in a single 457 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 6: parent home. I think you had your own situation that 458 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 6: forced you to be a man at a young age. 459 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 6: Can you talk about it? 460 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? Man, I mean obviously you know, everything on your 461 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 4: journey that you experience is an opportunity for growth, right, 462 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: and they ain't all swet. So you know, when I 463 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 4: was a child, I went through sexual abuse, and you 464 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 4: know I pushed that down and didn't really deal with 465 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 4: that until I was in my early thirties. 466 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 5: You know, the guilt, the fear, you know what I mean. 467 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 4: Also just not enough information about that, right because you 468 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 4: know a lot of times you just don't know how 469 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 4: to respond. You're seven eight years old and so you know, 470 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 4: it forced me to grow up and toughen up a 471 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 4: little bit, you know what I mean. 472 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 5: But it also made me start drinking early. 473 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 4: It started made me start smoking early, being promiscuous with. 474 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: My body very early. 475 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: And it also like made me a little bit more angry, 476 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like if somebody tried me 477 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: or if you know, somebody touched me inappropriate, like you know, 478 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 4: I'm willing to like go all the way there, and 479 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 4: so you know, I had to learn and work through that. 480 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 4: And you know, it's something that like as a man, 481 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 4: it's difficult to talk about, but you know, we do 482 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: the difficult man. You know, like as at the end 483 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 4: of the day, if we don't share these stories and 484 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 4: share these experiences, man, we could be neglecting one of 485 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 4: the little young roles coming up behind us, you know 486 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: what I mean. So I think, like we have to 487 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 4: we gotta transfer this information good, bad, or indifferent. And 488 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 4: I think a lot of times, man, you know, we 489 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 4: just don't share the information, the good information enough, the 490 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 4: real authentic information enough. And that's why I love you guys' platform, man, 491 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 4: because you guys, you guys throw it off the backboard 492 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: for guys to really be able to come and finish, 493 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 4: you know, and I love it. But yeah, that's a 494 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: part of the journey. I wrote a book about it, 495 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 4: and you know, it's a part of my story. 496 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 6: We're saying that and sharing your story. What's some signs 497 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 6: that we can look out for for kids in the 498 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 6: hood that might be going through that. 499 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so few things, you know, you know, if kids 500 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 4: are experiencing anxiety, if you see, you know, a certain 501 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 4: amount of anger, right if you notice you know, you know, 502 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 4: promiscuous behavior, you know, substance, you know, them starting to smoke, 503 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: maybe too early, and things like that are isolation. 504 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 5: Those are some things. 505 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 4: But like one of the best things, like as men, 506 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 4: we could do for our families is have those conversations, 507 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 4: you know, sit your boys and your girls down and say, hey, look, 508 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 4: this is a healthy touch. This is your private part. 509 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 4: Don't let nobody touch this. Don't let nobody do that. 510 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 4: If something ever happens, you know, you let me know, 511 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 4: you know, And so that communication, because a lot of 512 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 4: times that usually happens from somebody close enough to be 513 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: able to touch you. So a family member, a friend, 514 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 4: you know, an older siblings, friend who may you know, 515 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 4: So sleepovers and things like that are like out of 516 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: the question for my kids unless they might have come 517 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 4: into my house. And I know that might sound a 518 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: little bit like unfair, but y'all don't come to my house. 519 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 5: But y'all ain't going to nobody house. 520 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: It just is what it is. When did basketball become 521 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: like for you? 522 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 4: I think basketball became like for me man at probably 523 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 4: about four or five years old. I'm the youngest of 524 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 4: four kids, and my older brother played college ball at 525 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: HBCU bethrom Cookman, And you know, I just fell in 526 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: love with the game, and my dad loved the game. 527 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 4: I could dribble the ball really good, really early, Like 528 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 4: I could dribble anything. And man, I had an incredible imagination. 529 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 4: So like you see this table right here, that was 530 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 4: a defender euro step in the table, you know what 531 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 4: I mean. You see the top of the door right there, 532 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 4: Oh that's a rim. Every time I'm going in the bathroom, 533 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 4: I'm dunking, you know. And so I had this imagination 534 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 4: for myself, and then I had this incredible work ethic 535 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 4: that I wanted to develop that talent. And then my 536 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 4: big brother was nice. He was small, but he was nice. 537 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 4: So he was like taking me through drills and stuff 538 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 4: like that. So I fell in love with the game 539 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 4: at a very early age. When I got indicted, man, 540 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 4: I thought I lost my love for the game. I 541 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 4: was like, Man, you know, the basketball world won't embrace 542 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 4: me anymore. All the things that I've done and I've accomplished, 543 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, will be minimized. And boy 544 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 4: was I wrong, because soon as I got you know, 545 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 4: to Coleman, Man, I became the commissioner of the Basketball League. 546 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 547 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 4: I'm training guys you know, on the court, like literally 548 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 4: scheduling like people like want me to train them. So 549 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: I was like, man, I can't run from this game. 550 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 4: It's a part of my DNA. It's what I love. 551 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 4: It's my love language. I love this shit, bro. I 552 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 4: love this game, man, and I love what it can 553 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 4: do for you, what it's allowed us to experience. I 554 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: been in fourteen countries, you know, I've been to forty 555 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 4: four states, you know what I mean. I met some 556 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 4: incredible people. I've seen and experienced some amazing things. I've 557 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 4: ate some good restaurants. 558 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 559 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 4: Like, I've seen a lot of shit because of this game, 560 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: and I love it. And I will never let anybody 561 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 4: take that from me, right, I can't do it. 562 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I never. 563 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: Let that happen. When did you know you was nice? Oh? 564 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: High school? 565 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 4: It's like I knew I was a good player coming 566 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 4: up or whatever. I was a little bit small, But 567 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 4: like when I got to like eleventh grade, you know, 568 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 4: going into senior year and shit like that, I was like, 569 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: you know, something was different. 570 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 1: Man. 571 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 4: I used to run in the pool with my shoes on. 572 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: I would go to the beach and train, you know 573 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: what I mean. And one day I went to sleep, 574 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: I was slapping backboard. Next day I woke up, I 575 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: was putting my arm in the realm, you know what 576 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 4: I mean. So it wasn't the day that happened. It 577 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 4: was all the work leading into that moment, right, you 578 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 4: know what I mean. So like I just always tell youngsters, 579 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It's like, you know, you 580 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: put the work in, you know, you know you put 581 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 4: the work in, and you know, incrementally you can develop 582 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 4: that talent. Like you know, I feel like the biggest 583 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 4: room in all of our lives is the room for improvement. 584 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 4: You know, we can get better at it. So if 585 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 4: you're deficient, you know, with your left hand, you can 586 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 4: work on it. If your jump shot is broke, you 587 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 4: can work on it. You know what I mean. Now, 588 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 4: one thing that's hard to teach is that dog. You 589 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: got to be born with that, you know what I'm saying. Now, 590 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 4: I've seen some I've seen something like being around a 591 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: person like yourself or a person like you are, even 592 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 4: like how I played the game, I've helped you, you know, 593 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 4: you know, like you able to like indoctrinate or put 594 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: some dogs in them a little bit, you know, a 595 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 4: little bit, but you are who you are. 596 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, when it comes to that dog. 597 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a question though, because all three of 598 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: us had it, and all three of us had somewhat 599 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: traumatic childhood experiences and traumas, and to be able to 600 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: focus that energy into fire, like you said, it comes 601 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 3: out in different ways. 602 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. 603 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: I know my my, my, my upbringing fueled a lot 604 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 3: of the snappiness me want to slap people, the fights. Yeah, 605 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 3: on edge, you know what I mean. Like to be 606 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: able to turn something negative and use as a chip 607 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: or fire. That's a unique because not everybody can do 608 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: that and most of the times and not speculating or 609 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: making it in a blanket situation. People like that have 610 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: gone through some real shit. Yeah you know what I mean, 611 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 3: Like we don't choose to just be on edge or 612 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 3: be on it. They're like, yeah, we were turned into that. 613 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean, life happens. Shit happens, right, and 614 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 4: a lot of it comes out in a lot of 615 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 4: different ways. Like going back to it, the game of 616 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 4: basketball is so great, right because not only can we 617 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: channel that energy into our sport, but the resources that 618 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: we are exposed to early in life, the speakers that 619 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 4: we've heard, you know what I mean, the program and 620 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 4: that we've got an opportunity to be exposed to. Most 621 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 4: people don't get that, so they don't necessarily know what 622 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: emotional intelligence is. They don't know what their triggers are. 623 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 4: There's certain things. They just haven't been exposed to the 624 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 4: information enough. So when we have these talks and things 625 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 4: like that, the great thing about it is that people 626 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 4: watching they can see a piece of themselves and us 627 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: and like, okay, like damn, maybe I didn't recognize that 628 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 4: I snapped because of this. Maybe I got to go 629 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 4: back to that childhood. So therapy, man, is therapeutic. 630 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask you what, like what age? 631 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: Because I took like I. 632 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: Was at one point in two different types of therapy 633 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 3: post retirement. 634 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 635 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: When did you did you realize like, Okay, I thought, 636 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: as long as I can fight by myself, I need 637 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 3: some real help. 638 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 5: Yeah for me. 639 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 4: You know, Look, I didn't feel like I needed therapy 640 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 4: until I got triggered and I lost it. And it 641 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 4: took about two weeks for me to like even like 642 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 4: when I say I lost it, I lost it like 643 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 4: I was out of there. I spent four days in 644 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 4: a mental institution. You did say you was on the street? Yeah, 645 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 4: god man, yeah, so you know I'm in the restroom 646 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 4: in Seattle. Why you remember the biggest sist that we 647 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 4: used to do when we give up all the stuff, 648 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 4: you know, in these different communities. And man, I gotta 649 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 4: grab my butt while I was paying bro. And man, 650 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 4: when I tell you, when I tell you, like it's 651 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 4: like like like I turned into like the hawk, Like 652 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 4: it's like all this energy said instant. It's in that 653 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 4: moment I lost it, And like as I was trying 654 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 4: to calm down, I was like, damn, why did I 655 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 4: I lost it so quick? Like and then all these 656 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 4: little memories that I had compressed down start popping back 657 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: up from my childhood and damn, I haven't talked about that. 658 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: In a minute. Take your time, bro. 659 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 5: So when I talk about those triggers, like, I. 660 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 4: Want everybody to kind of know those things so you 661 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 4: can do preventive things. 662 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 5: So we don't let people take us there. 663 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 4: So we don't so we know we aren't gonna control 664 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 4: because like in that moment, you can lose it and 665 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: your family can suffer, You can hurt yourself and hurt others. 666 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 4: You could become a danger to yourself and others. So 667 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 4: for us, especially guys like us who've seen a lot 668 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 4: of shit, we gotta know them triggers and try and 669 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 4: avoid them as much as we can. Ended up in 670 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 4: Missou Big twelve hoops. Yeah, how was that being in Missouri? 671 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: Man? 672 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 4: Missoo was great, Mancazoo was great. I enjoyed my college 673 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 4: experience over there. We did we did with Quin your 674 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 4: coach both years. No so, I got an opportunity to 675 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 4: play for Norm Steward my first year and then Quinn's 676 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 4: night of my second year. 677 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 5: And man, I had some great teammates in Missoo. It 678 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 5: was a great little. 679 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 4: College town and had a lot of fun at Missou 680 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 4: good recruiting, and they say, how did how did you 681 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 4: guys end up in in Missouri? That good recruiting? 682 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 683 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 5: They call it nils. 684 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 6: Now you played against Jamal Samseley too while he was there. 685 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. 686 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 4: Man, when Tinsley came in, shout out JT JT J 687 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 4: T was spinding the phone booth. So he came in, 688 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 4: I ain't know who he was. I think he came 689 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 4: from like Juco or something like that. Right, and we 690 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 4: went in there like the year before we ran through 691 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 4: Iowa State, like, oh, we're running through that, right. They 692 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 4: had marcut spires or they had a nice little squad. 693 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 4: But then they get this point guard. So me, I'm 694 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 4: picking up for a court, I'm turning them and he 695 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 4: acting like I'm not even there. He's spinning he inside 696 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 4: out in eight, nine, ten times and you look up. 697 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 4: He had like ten points Tennessee's tim rebound. He had 698 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 4: a triple double in college in the Big twelve, And I'm. 699 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 5: Like, who is who is he? 700 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 4: Man? 701 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 5: Paul was cold, he was tough. 702 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, you had that one dunk on old boys at Kansas. Yeah, 703 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 3: was probably one of the worst right here. That was 704 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 3: what do you see when you see young kd right here? 705 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 3: What do you think well used to fly? 706 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to. 707 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: I used to get off, get up in the air. 708 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: They called that a charge. 709 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 4: The dude didn't fall anything like that. But it's Kansas 710 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 4: and Lawrence. You know they gonna cheat. 711 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: Who is that thirty two? Never been heard from this. 712 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 5: Shanty Johnson or something like that. I don't want to 713 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 5: butcher the brothers. 714 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. 715 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 4: It was like you trying to see me go to 716 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 4: the league. 717 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you got any good Quinn Snyder stories? 718 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got. 719 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 4: I mean, like like man Quinn is you know, full 720 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 4: of energy, full of life, got a hearder goal, super smart, 721 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 4: super talented. But he was young when he coached me 722 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 4: in college, so he still was active, right, still couldunk 723 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 4: all that, right, But one day was doing a charge 724 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 4: drill and you know what I mean, I guess we 725 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 4: wasn't doing the drill right, So Quinn put himself in 726 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 4: the drill and he had this cat who was like 727 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,240 Speaker 4: a grad assistant at the time. I think Jason Sutherland, 728 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 4: and Jason was a country Midwest like wow, boy right, strong, 729 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 4: stocky like just so. 730 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 5: You know, just a thundercat. 731 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 4: So Jason, you know, Quinn's taking positioning himself to take 732 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 4: the charge. 733 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 5: So Jason tries to kind of go up soft on. 734 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 5: Quinn pushed him out there, running me over, running me over. 735 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 4: So he looked around, he peeled his ears back and 736 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 4: he went up, and he went up. 737 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: Quinn took the charge. 738 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 4: And that's how you take a when you take a charge, 739 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 4: he threw his rolex all that. 740 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: Man. 741 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 5: I think Quinn still got back problems to this day. 742 00:36:54,440 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 4: From that charge to this day, I still think. 743 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 6: Got out there and started taking charge of trying to 744 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 6: show people how to tell that. 745 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: I think Quenn still stretching his back. 746 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 3: I want to rewind because we didn't ask. But uh 747 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 3: t Mac Yeah, Matt, what was the because I'm not mistaken. 748 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 3: He's one year older than us, right, yeah, but he 749 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 3: kind of he might have been killing out here, but 750 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 3: he jumped on the national scene just all of a sudden, 751 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: and he was going from high school to the pro. 752 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, man's playing with him like t Max. 753 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 4: From Pope County. So I think he was at Auburndale 754 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 4: before he went to Mountain Zion. And you look back 755 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 4: at his numbers and he was killing. But it's a 756 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 4: small town, so we didn't know who he was. So 757 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 4: we met t Mac at Adidas camp and Mack was like, Oh, 758 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 4: I'm from Florida. We all playing together. Y'all come watch 759 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 4: me play. So we go and we roll up and 760 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 4: we go watch team at play. 761 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 5: Now he's unknown, nobody knows who he is at this point, 762 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 5: and he's going to be a junior or scene. He's 763 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 5: going into his senior year. 764 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 765 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 4: So we go see this guy play man and I 766 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 4: had never seen somebody that skill, that athletic, that smooth, 767 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 4: that fast with the ball, because the team act was 768 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 4: super fast, Like he was tall and he was smooth 769 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 4: and all that, but his first step he was real 770 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 4: tweaty with it. And so we got to play that 771 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 4: summer with a matter of fact, he went milled on 772 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 4: somebody in the All Star Game, Like he went milled 773 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 4: on this cat in the All Star Game. I saw 774 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 4: all the college coaches, NBA scouts lose their professionalism. You know, 775 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 4: it was at the rook he cleared the gym. He 776 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 4: went milled on somebody at the All Star Game. And 777 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 4: so we got to play that that that summer together 778 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 4: and to see his development and his focus. He knew 779 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 4: what he wanted. He killed the whole summer. He killed 780 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 4: the whole summer. I mean, it was just amazing to 781 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 4: watch team at Florida fla Florida Flash. 782 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: We played, y'all. I don't know where we played, you 783 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: guys at probably a long beach. 784 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 4: It was as you know, we had a squad man 785 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 4: like eleven twelve D one players from that squad Adida, 786 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 4: Sony Vicarrol, Elvis Smith, those guys man, and they really 787 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 4: had a They really were good for our lives. And 788 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 4: at that point, you know what I mean, we really 789 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 4: needed that exposure. And you know, Mac was just an 790 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,399 Speaker 4: incredible talent man. And you know, because we played with Mac, 791 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 4: we got more exposure. That's when my ranking and stuff 792 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 4: start going up. So we have a we have a 793 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 4: unique way of like getting lucky and being around the 794 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 4: right people at the right time that helps you get 795 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 4: to your destiny. 796 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 3: Two thousand and two Drafts two thousand, excuse me, two thousand, Yeah, 797 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: I was two thousand and two. 798 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 4: Two thousand and two. 799 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 3: You came out of Yeah, you know, Donald Sterling collects 800 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 3: you with the tenth pick in the lost of this Clippers. 801 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 3: First of all, what was that experience like being drafted? 802 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 3: It's a lottery pick. Yeah, come into La. You're a 803 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 3: small town guy, yeah somewhat Yeah, coming to La. 804 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: What was that? Man? It was dope. 805 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 5: Man, I didn't get invited to the draft. You know 806 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. I didn't get invited to the combine. 807 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: So I liked it, like. 808 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 4: Twelve thirteen pre draft workouts and there was some cats 809 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 4: ducking me. 810 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: During that time. Who was in that draft duck and 811 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: you talked to. 812 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 4: About I mean, you know, I ain't gonna you know, 813 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 4: it was just let's just say I didn't get to 814 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 4: work out against everybody. But when I ran in the guys, 815 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 4: it was it was you know, I was able to 816 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 4: separate myself during that draft process a little bit, but 817 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 4: it was doping with the Clippers because man, me Q 818 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 4: and D all babies, you know, me Q, D Miles 819 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 4: got drafted together. 820 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 5: So we got to experience a lot of firsts together. 821 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 4: And you know, man, it still was some of the 822 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 4: most fun I think I've ever had playing basketball. We 823 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 4: just weren't good. You know, you can't win with a 824 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 4: lot of young players. It was an older league at 825 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 4: that point. It was it was a grown man league. 826 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 4: It was a grown man league. The resources that the 827 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 4: Clippers had were very minimal. They didn't have an environment 828 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,959 Speaker 4: that would cultivate your talent. 829 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 3: That's kindly put the league. Yeah, practice South Southwest commune 830 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 3: to college. You used to have to leave the back 831 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 3: doors open so people didn't break in your cars. There 832 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 3: was no showers, there's no real lot. You shared the 833 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 3: locker room with like regular students. Like, what was that like? 834 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: So you get the. 835 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 3: Idea I'm drafted, I'm a lottery pick, I'm going to 836 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 3: the NBA. And then the resources are less resources than 837 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 3: you had in college. 838 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, how was that? 839 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 4: It was tough? Man, You didn't feel like you was 840 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 4: in the league. You know, you just didn't feel like 841 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 4: you was in the league. You couldn't go back to 842 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 4: the gym and work on your jumper if you want. 843 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 4: You know, I struggled with my shooting early in my career, 844 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 4: and I just couldn't put enough extra time. Yeah, it 845 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,240 Speaker 4: just wasn't The environment wasn't good enough for that amount 846 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 4: of young talent, and so it staggered. I feel like 847 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 4: I got staggered. 848 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: In my development. 849 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 4: And it wasn't until I went to Miami that I 850 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 4: that I learned how to be a pro. 851 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 3: We're gonna get back to that, but I want to 852 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 3: get because I want to get. 853 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 4: Some more l A Okay, okay, what was l Like? 854 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 4: How nice was l O Man? L O was super 855 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 4: nice man. Ll O man six eleven can dribble past 856 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 4: shoot man? What a nice human being man. L O 857 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 4: just you know, l O was just a lot of fun, 858 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 4: super charismatic, ship talker, extraordinariy like Llo was that dude man, 859 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 4: just a good dude man. 860 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 1: We man. 861 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 4: We barbecued, we fish fried pretty much every day out there. 862 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 5: We kicked it in La. 863 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,839 Speaker 1: It was beautiful, Like were you guys imply? 864 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, we was down in the marina. I don't even 865 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 4: think they was still developed. We was down in the marina. 866 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 4: And good when I tell you, every day it was 867 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 4: a Saturday. 868 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 5: We had a lot of fun. 869 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 4: But l O man, he had a hearter goal, you 870 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 4: know what I mean, super talented, super humble, just a 871 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 4: just all around good. 872 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: Just good man, you know what I mean. 873 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 4: And this in this this generation right here, the things 874 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 4: that kind of got Lamar in trouble you know he 875 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 4: could smoke free. 876 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, absolutely, you know what I mean? Yeah, Q 877 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 3: Rich and D Miles knuckleheady, Yes, what was that like? 878 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 3: Because although you guys weren't good, y'all were still popping 879 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 3: in the l like absolutely popping in that absolutely. 880 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 4: So I played against Q like probably at twelve. Men, 881 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 4: I've known Q Rich since I was twelve years old, 882 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 4: you know, one of my best friends on the planet. 883 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 4: And man, Q was a dog. And when we would 884 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 4: go in the summertimes at U C l A and 885 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 4: things like that, like the battles that Q would have 886 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 4: with Paul and those guys. 887 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 5: I'm like Q dog, you know me and Cali bro 888 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 5: like man, you can give it like Q. 889 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: Just Q is like Q. 890 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 4: He trained to go. But Q was super talented. We 891 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 4: played USA together, man, we just and those my brothers 892 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 4: right there and D MOUs Man young D Mouse. Young 893 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 4: D MOUs was a wizard. Man played both ends, you know, 894 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 4: played with a motor. Had a high basketball Iq six 895 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 4: eleven six eleven probably seven foot four wingspan, could handle 896 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 4: the rock, great mid range game, had a passion for 897 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 4: playing with a really good passer, and man, it was 898 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 4: a lot of fun playing with those guys, man, Q 899 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 4: and D is to this day man like especially like 900 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 4: through this process. 901 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 5: Man, some guys been all the way, all the way 902 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 5: one honey. 903 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 1: I love Q and D. That's my boys. So speaking 904 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: of Q brings you to my first practice with you guys. 905 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 3: Okay, that's why they're so tight. I walk into gym. 906 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 3: I'm tighted with Rico because of that Rico fun in college. 907 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 3: I walk into the gym my first NBA practice, y'all. 908 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 3: First I get caught up on atten day, my first practice. 909 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,879 Speaker 3: This man and Q Richard tangled up. Yeah, but KD 910 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 3: wasn't doub KD was getting his little jabbed and then 911 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 3: getting out the way. Yeah, he had a lot of 912 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 3: move but when he would get a couple of jazz, 913 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 3: if you wanted to grab it. Yeah, have you ever 914 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 3: seen that rock Wiland and Chihua? 915 00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 4: Listen, man, listen, man, I am so thankful for everybody 916 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,440 Speaker 4: who was in that gym because if you would have 917 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,680 Speaker 4: got his hands. 918 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 1: On I just walk into the gym to my first. 919 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 4: Gimcome to the NBA first man. 920 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: But I was like, okay, this is cool. Yeah, man, 921 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, cool see. 922 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 4: But the good thing about that man, is like, man, 923 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 4: we left that ship on the court. That was cool, 924 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 4: and we you know, we talked about it, and you know, 925 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 4: we was mad at each other for a little bit, right, 926 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 4: But then that next year, man, we get out the Phoenix. 927 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 4: Q was playing in Phoenix and Q pulls up and 928 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 4: scoops me up. 929 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: Man, And you know. 930 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 4: What I mean, Like, men, this is the thing about 931 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,399 Speaker 4: real authentic friendships and relationships. It's not gonna be all 932 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 4: peaches and creamy. Sometimes you go on but head right, 933 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, man, like that 934 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 4: is my brother. 935 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 5: And I loved them. 936 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 4: I just hate that's that was your first practice. 937 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: I loved it. I'm glad no one really got hurt. 938 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 3: But he was getting a couple of you little, I said, 939 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,879 Speaker 3: I've seen them knuckles work. 940 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 4: No, I'm just glad I made it out of that one. 941 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 4: Say still was in two thousand and three, two thousand 942 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 4: and three, Yep, I was there. 943 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 6: I'm actually remember this. I was with the Spurs. Yeah, 944 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 6: your whole team came to my house. 945 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, you came through. 946 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: You came through. We've been doing this, we could doing it. 947 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 3: Which I smoking came the whole team, the whole team. 948 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: Man, at my house like yesterday. 949 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 3: That was one time that was really that was the 950 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,280 Speaker 3: one time when you got there the test and the preseason, 951 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,439 Speaker 3: you was good the rest of the year. 952 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 4: Right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're still good. 953 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 954 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 4: So after that one, you was. 955 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 6: To go, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, you remories a 956 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 6: whole on too, bro. Yeah you got you. Yeah, man, 957 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,280 Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying, my boy. 958 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 7: It was the ultimate host all the smoke before all 959 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,840 Speaker 7: the smoke, straight up, but that you always had that 960 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 7: impact on this though. You know, I always just always 961 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 7: had like an incredible impact. You probably impacted more people 962 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 7: the most superstars, right, because it's not the superstars who 963 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 7: spend time and develop you and correct and show you 964 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 7: how to be a real man in the league, right 965 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 7: and stand up for yourself and stand on business Like 966 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 7: a lot of times those guys have. 967 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 4: A tough job because they're they're isolated. Yeah you know 968 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 4: what I mean, they're isolated so much from the common 969 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 4: every day. Not saying that you was coming just being different, 970 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 4: but you you had such an impact on like the 971 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 4: whole culture of the game, and most if you don't 972 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 4: have platforms like this, most mainstream media wouldn't even know that. 973 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was great at getting people together. I mean 974 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 3: he brought a whole new energy that Golden State team. 975 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 3: So she was a dude that got us all hanging out. 976 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,399 Speaker 3: I mean like we're practicing and going to Jack's house 977 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 3: and eating and smoking and watching game film. Yeah, like 978 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 3: we wasn't doing that before you got no you know 979 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 3: what I mean. So yeah, he definitely does. I was 980 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 3: just spreading out. My burns burned out. Now as soon 981 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,920 Speaker 3: as he got the team, he had crusty lips. I'm 982 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 3: looking at a lot. Yeah, the Mexican I've seen it. 983 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 4: Let me go back to l O for a second 984 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 4: because I remember, so I started smoking like when I 985 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,320 Speaker 4: was like twelve years old, and I had. 986 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 5: Never like got high off weed until I smoked California. 987 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the difference. 988 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,720 Speaker 4: And I just remember one night it was me, Lamar 989 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 4: and Wheezy Wilcox. My man, my Weezy. We're doing amazing too, 990 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 4: you talk. Oh yeah, I talked to her. YEA doing amazing, 991 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 4: that's the homie. But I just remember we was in 992 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 4: sack and everything was closed, and I remember we called 993 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 4: downstairs like, hey man, y'all ain't got no sandwiches or 994 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 4: nothing right, y'all, ain't got no sandwiches. So a little 995 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 4: time goes by, I could hear everything, like I could feel. 996 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 5: I felt like I could hear my heartbeat. 997 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 1: I could hear you know, first time, get yeah, like 998 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: it was. 999 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 4: The first time like where you know, like ice cube, 1000 00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 4: like like that's how this. 1001 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,879 Speaker 1: So we were really hungry. So about twenty minutes later, man, 1002 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 1: we went back to. 1003 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 4: The phone and say, hey, man ya, we ain't got 1004 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 4: no sandwiches or nothing down there, you know, just like. 1005 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:19,839 Speaker 1: Uber yeah read you know, and you know second one 1006 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: of them cities. 1007 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, ship early, so you get that late after game, they. 1008 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: Got no sandwiches, get nothing. Man, we went to sleep. 1009 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: We smoked good, but we was. 1010 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,640 Speaker 3: Oh oh, I was like George, I already know like 1011 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 3: that young that that young Clipper team was crazy, but 1012 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 3: like there was good camaraderie. Everybody wuck with each other. 1013 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 3: We and everybody was young. Yeah, they was young. 1014 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 4: And you know what, everybody went on to have good careers, 1015 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,759 Speaker 4: right when you put them in the good system and 1016 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 4: get them in the right environment, get them out. 1017 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,040 Speaker 1: Of that ship. But that ship was fun though. It 1018 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: was fun for yeah. 1019 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,279 Speaker 3: Two thousand and five Miami Heat Shack's first year d 1020 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 3: Wade's second year. You talk about kind of understanding and 1021 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 3: how to becoming a pro. Yeah, in this environment, tell 1022 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 3: me what it was to be able to come back home, 1023 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 3: man and play for it. 1024 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: There was a lot of pressure, man. 1025 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 4: I was on the minimum and everybody wanted to come 1026 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 4: to the games, and they weren't giving tickets like that. 1027 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 4: So it was a lot of pressure on You get 1028 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 4: four around that time, yeah too, Yeah, you're just getting 1029 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 4: four yeah yeah, yeah. But you know, man, that's the 1030 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,160 Speaker 4: good thing about relationships and the heat culture, right, they 1031 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 4: understood that. So anytime there was extra tickets or something 1032 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,399 Speaker 4: like that, they would, yeah, they would come through. And 1033 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 4: you know, teammates, you use to trade tickets and things 1034 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 4: like that. 1035 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: But man, it was fun. 1036 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 4: Man. 1037 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 5: I learned how to be a pro, you know. And 1038 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 5: I remember Pat Riley. 1039 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,280 Speaker 4: I wasn't playing initially, and I was kind of pouting, 1040 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And I remember having a 1041 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:51,399 Speaker 4: note to. 1042 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: Go see Pat. 1043 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 4: So I'm like, damn, okay, it's like going to see 1044 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,080 Speaker 4: the principle like this is intimidating. So I go up 1045 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 4: and see Pat and Pat just tells me how man. Look, 1046 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 4: you know, like I know, you know you're not playing. 1047 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 4: It's not going well for you. But the way you're. 1048 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,399 Speaker 5: Handling it, it's not right. You know what I mean? 1049 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,839 Speaker 4: Your body language in there, you looking disconnected, said, man, 1050 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,240 Speaker 4: don't let coach band gun you know, see you pouting. 1051 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,600 Speaker 4: Let them see you watching film, Let them see you 1052 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 4: on the court early, let them see you cheering. Start 1053 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,839 Speaker 4: sitting up closer by the bench so you can hear 1054 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 4: the game plan. I guarantee you gonna get your opportunity. 1055 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,720 Speaker 4: And you got to be ready for And that happened. 1056 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:27,919 Speaker 1: Man. 1057 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 4: You know, as a as a professional, they develop you 1058 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,439 Speaker 4: as a basketball player. They develop you and they push 1059 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 4: you to the brink of you know, asking yourself, am 1060 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:38,879 Speaker 4: I doing the right thing? 1061 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: Do I really love this? Were on the track doing 1062 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,439 Speaker 1: what eight? 1063 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 4: Uh? 1064 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 5: We had to do six? 1065 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,319 Speaker 4: It's two times around, that's the eight hundred had six 1066 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,840 Speaker 4: eight hundreds for time and pass it. You would have 1067 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 4: to do it again, right, So I just remember like 1068 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 4: questioning like, am I. 1069 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,879 Speaker 1: Am I doing the right thing? Here? With my life? 1070 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: Is this? What life is? 1071 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 5: The humidity in South Florida? 1072 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 4: I gotta do eight eight? And the guys who are 1073 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 4: part of the culture, they just they d Wade's out there, 1074 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,000 Speaker 4: Eddie Jones out there. Rosue used to run like a 1075 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 4: dear Rossue. Butler, you donas. You know, nobody without work, 1076 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 4: you donas. But playing for the heat Man changed my life, 1077 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,239 Speaker 4: It really did. Man, Like you know, Spo was our 1078 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,720 Speaker 4: position coach, and you just knew he had superstar written 1079 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 4: all over him. 1080 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:31,399 Speaker 1: A lot of. 1081 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 4: People don't like staying van Gundy. He's one of my 1082 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 4: favorite coaches of. 1083 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: Now. It's tough. 1084 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,319 Speaker 4: He's tough as a coach, but. 1085 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,359 Speaker 1: Man, what a good man. 1086 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,080 Speaker 4: You know you could be honest with them, transparent with him, 1087 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 4: and he's gonna coach you. I remember he wrote in 1088 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,879 Speaker 4: the huddle one time d Wade was mad at him, 1089 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 4: so he drew a star on the on the whiteboard 1090 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 4: and tapped a star like twenty times. He said, here 1091 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 4: it is your star, right, your star, And now I 1092 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 4: can't coach him. You're starting, I can't coach you. So 1093 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 4: Stan had smoke for everybody. It's gonna call you out. 1094 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,160 Speaker 4: He accountable and you know, to this day one of 1095 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 4: my favorite Him and Doc are probably my favorite coaches 1096 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:11,239 Speaker 4: that I played for. 1097 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: Young d Wade. Yeah, what was that like? 1098 00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,360 Speaker 4: It was like he was Dwayne Wade one day and 1099 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 4: he was the Flash the next. 1100 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know. 1101 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 4: What a talent like you know what I mean, like 1102 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,120 Speaker 4: mean as a Rattle State, strong as a Knox, you know, 1103 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 4: so much agility, so much poise, and you would just 1104 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 4: see him and spoke crafting on his footwork. You know, 1105 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 4: Spoe was like one of the best like developmental coaches 1106 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,080 Speaker 4: I've ever seen, Like as far as skilled development, Spoe 1107 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,920 Speaker 4: was so cold at developing talent, right. I know, people 1108 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,879 Speaker 4: you know see him as this exitent of the old 1109 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 4: guy and all that, but man like the way that 1110 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,480 Speaker 4: he could teach the game and break it down and 1111 00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 4: he just Wade was just crafting. Wave was amazing, and 1112 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,320 Speaker 4: he was fun. He was hard working, he was humble, 1113 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 4: he was mean, he was tough. I like playing with 1114 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 4: them more than like playing against it. 1115 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, d Wade always made Shaq obviously coming off a 1116 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,320 Speaker 3: Laker team where they had a lot of success and 1117 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 3: now he's there. I know, he was a big joker. 1118 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,960 Speaker 3: Did that ship go off well? And did jokes fly 1119 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,440 Speaker 3: in Miami the wayther. 1120 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,200 Speaker 4: Well not maybe not with Pat, but Shack is maybe 1121 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 4: and Shaq man, you know, Shaq could talk that ship. Yeah, 1122 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 4: Shaq was man just a great teammate, you know what 1123 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 4: I mean, like a larger in life figure that you know, 1124 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 4: had a hearder goal. But Shaq taught me a very 1125 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,880 Speaker 4: important lesson because I used to talk big ship like 1126 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 4: I'm like, what you're wearing? Like you know what I mean, 1127 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 4: how you look like, whatever your flaw is, I was 1128 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,160 Speaker 4: gonna point it out and I was gonna bring it 1129 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 4: up to you, to you in a very comedic way. 1130 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 1: I would talk hell of ship. And one day. 1131 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,759 Speaker 5: Shaq can't want to hit that ship and he just 1132 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:57,400 Speaker 5: got tired. 1133 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,319 Speaker 1: God damn it, I can't time to ship. 1134 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 4: We're on the plane. 1135 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,719 Speaker 1: You. I can't stand this ship. 1136 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 4: I'm tired of this ship. 1137 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:06,799 Speaker 1: You fucking thoughts in there. 1138 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 4: I said, Oh, I ain't even I ain't even messing. 1139 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: I said I had to. 1140 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,760 Speaker 4: I had to reevaluate, like you know, going hard on people. 1141 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 4: After that, I was like you. 1142 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,879 Speaker 1: D was like, man a man, I don't like that ship. Man, 1143 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 1: I'm on the minimum to. 1144 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 4: Man kind of ship. 1145 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:32,399 Speaker 1: Know what a team? Man? Yeah? Was j will there 1146 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,839 Speaker 1: with you? No, I was there the year before. They 1147 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:35,399 Speaker 1: want it all. 1148 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,759 Speaker 4: So it was like Damon Jones and Eddie Jones and 1149 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 4: d Wade, Shaq, your donnas. Like, we had a lot 1150 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,520 Speaker 4: of vet Steve Smith, Christian Lakener. 1151 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: We talked about that on the way here. 1152 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 6: You you want of the only guys in the NBA 1153 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 6: to master the Steve Smith move. 1154 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,399 Speaker 1: That's you know, yeah, that's my vet. 1155 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,439 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Smithy Smithy man. 1156 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 4: Like see, growing up in South Florida, we got to 1157 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,880 Speaker 4: see the Heat games and so like when Steve Smith 1158 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,960 Speaker 4: came in the game, you know down here, like, yeah, 1159 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,719 Speaker 4: you got to see him play. And he had this 1160 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,680 Speaker 4: little half spin and uh he hit me with it 1161 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,120 Speaker 4: one time. He was like, oh, young fella. He told me, 1162 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,600 Speaker 4: I used to do it a little too fast. 1163 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,360 Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, I ain't six eight. I gotta I 1164 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,799 Speaker 5: gotta be twitchy, you know what I mean. 1165 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 4: But Steve is a mentor, a friend, you know, just 1166 00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 4: set a good example for us. 1167 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 5: Just a really really good man. 1168 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,279 Speaker 4: That's just a mentor too overall, just a great man. 1169 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,759 Speaker 1: He taught me to part the post up as a guard. Okay, 1170 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 1: that's why I learned how to post up a. 1171 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,640 Speaker 4: Sure sure, Yeah, we ain't want to see you facing 1172 00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,320 Speaker 4: up that. They don't even they don't even pivot. You 1173 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,399 Speaker 4: don't even play out the triple thread anymore. You don't 1174 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 4: even get logo posted. 1175 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,320 Speaker 1: Make it hard. It's tough. Now, it's a whole different 1176 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:42,919 Speaker 1: ball game. 1177 00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,839 Speaker 6: You ended up in the Celtis in twenty twelve, Paul 1178 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,440 Speaker 6: Pierce kg rondo. 1179 00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: How was that? Man? It was? 1180 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,680 Speaker 4: It was amazing man, playing with the Celtics. You know, 1181 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,960 Speaker 4: obviously the Celtics is a prestigious organization. It's something about 1182 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,840 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, when you go in that arena, 1183 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,560 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, that's different and unique, and 1184 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 4: when you go to other arenas, you know, Celtics fans 1185 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,359 Speaker 4: are everywhere. Yeah, But man, KG, I wish I would 1186 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,640 Speaker 4: have got to play with him earlier because like, he 1187 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 4: unlocked something in you like nobody else. Man, he was 1188 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 4: a sensey, you know what I mean, as far as 1189 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 4: giving himself to the game. He did the same thing 1190 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,640 Speaker 4: the same way, the same time, every game, every practice, 1191 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 4: and he would get himself ready to play like no other. 1192 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,920 Speaker 5: He's a perfectionist, you know what I mean. 1193 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,680 Speaker 4: From the way he watched Family Guy before the game before, 1194 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,320 Speaker 4: the way you know he go get in the steam 1195 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 4: room before the game, the way he you know, blessed 1196 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,919 Speaker 4: the environment before he get on the court like he 1197 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,280 Speaker 4: was systematically. He would do the same thing the same 1198 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 4: way every day. And man, that was just a great experience. 1199 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,880 Speaker 4: I love playing with the Celtics. His My favorite experience 1200 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,640 Speaker 4: in basketball was playing with the Celtics. It was a 1201 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,520 Speaker 4: real brotherhood. It was like no other. 1202 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,720 Speaker 6: That year, you got to see the King in Wrath 1203 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,680 Speaker 6: on game six, Yeah, yeah, can you walk walk us 1204 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:02,080 Speaker 6: through that? 1205 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I try and forget about it, but you 1206 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,080 Speaker 4: know it's the I know, right, It's like he was 1207 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,240 Speaker 4: like hypnotized almost like you know what I mean, but. 1208 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,440 Speaker 1: Look at his face right there, you know, he looked. 1209 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,280 Speaker 4: Right there, you know, you know, and it was like, man, 1210 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 4: man Ticket was doing everything to try and get him 1211 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 4: off his game every time he walked, like you know, 1212 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 4: bumping into him out like everything Ticket could do, and man, 1213 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,000 Speaker 4: we would just go back and just like we we couldn't. 1214 00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 5: We couldn't do nothing. We couldn't. We just couldn't do 1215 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:32,760 Speaker 5: nothing with him. 1216 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 4: But like you have, like great players have to have 1217 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 4: those kind of moments, right, you know what I mean, 1218 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 4: because it's something different about them, Like because all of 1219 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,120 Speaker 4: us are talented, we can all run, jump, shoot whatever, 1220 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 4: but like the super superstars. They have another level of 1221 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 4: getting to the zone and then being able to dwell 1222 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,760 Speaker 4: there and he's done it for so long. Man, that 1223 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,360 Speaker 4: was a long week. We thought we was going to 1224 00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,600 Speaker 4: the finals. I mean, that was an opportunity to close 1225 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,959 Speaker 4: them out. We had been, you know, playing very well. 1226 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 4: We had them game six, we were three to two, 1227 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 4: and the man like just had a legacy game. 1228 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, he had a legacy game. 1229 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 3: I know that was a fun team. You were calling 1230 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 3: any fun moments with that squad? 1231 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like. 1232 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,240 Speaker 4: Every family, every family you know, has its fuge, right, 1233 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,400 Speaker 4: and there was some tension internally, you know with some 1234 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:34,080 Speaker 4: of the guys. But I don't know, man, I think 1235 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,880 Speaker 4: you know, I think some of those stories it's meant 1236 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,400 Speaker 4: for them. 1237 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,920 Speaker 1: To tell you know what I mean. I respect that, 1238 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,320 Speaker 1: but let's just say you know what I mean. 1239 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,840 Speaker 4: You know Ray and Rondo, you know what I mean, 1240 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,840 Speaker 4: Like they they had great feel for each other on 1241 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 4: the court, but like just from a personality standpoint, they 1242 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 4: just kind of I. 1243 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,040 Speaker 3: Wouldn't talk about I'm talking about like fun stories, Okay, 1244 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 3: going down like club shiit isn't it or any of 1245 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,320 Speaker 3: the stuff with Paul, Like like we work with them. 1246 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:04,520 Speaker 1: We burnt out there. 1247 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, we had we had some nights, you know what 1248 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 4: I mean, We had some nights. 1249 01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Like but. 1250 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,760 Speaker 4: That was the lockout year, so we was playing back 1251 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 4: to back to backs, you know what I mean, Like 1252 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,440 Speaker 4: and so like a big part of us, you know, 1253 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 4: getting together was like going out to hook a lounge, 1254 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,640 Speaker 4: going to eat, you know what I mean, you know, 1255 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,000 Speaker 4: getting together at each other's cribs and ship like that. 1256 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 4: But like, no, no crazy story. Okay, you got to 1257 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,800 Speaker 4: fight with rayam Man, I ain't get in all these fights, 1258 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 4: like y'all saying, man, no, me and Ray, Yeah, me 1259 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 4: and Ray. Uh we got tangled up, you know like 1260 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,000 Speaker 4: back in our days we used to compete. 1261 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, like you know, the game is physical, so. 1262 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,600 Speaker 1: It was a lot of o. 1263 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,640 Speaker 6: Nah Nah, that wasn't That wasn't average though, y'all. 1264 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah you dumped it. Well, Ray hit me with the elbow. 1265 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,680 Speaker 6: You're trying to stop on the string, trying to stop 1266 01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 6: on that. 1267 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, you lock on that shoulder and you're chasing coming 1268 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 4: on three staggers, right, and he stopped and he hit 1269 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,440 Speaker 4: me with that to get up. Yeah, and then you 1270 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 4: know it just spilled over into the crowd, you know, 1271 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 4: I got five games, probably because I. 1272 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: Ran the locker room. 1273 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,080 Speaker 5: Are you the finishing Yeah, you know, I mean you're 1274 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:17,960 Speaker 5: doing nice one too. 1275 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 1: It was quick too, but they grabbed plastic. 1276 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,400 Speaker 4: Man, I know he got you back, But it was 1277 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 4: really Stacey fault though that we got in the fight 1278 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,200 Speaker 4: because they on the way there, Yeah, the way there, 1279 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 4: you know, hit him in the face, right, But it 1280 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 4: wasn't even on. 1281 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Purpose, Store, It wasn't on purpose. No, it wasn't just 1282 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,520 Speaker 1: clipped him right. Yeah. 1283 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Stacey hit him, but you know he hit me. 1284 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,200 Speaker 4: It's like any meaning money you Stacey. 1285 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,560 Speaker 1: The first one over there too, The first one over there. 1286 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,720 Speaker 4: Sta stage pulled Ray right, Stace pulled, he pulled and 1287 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:57,480 Speaker 4: put him in the full next and be like, as. 1288 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,520 Speaker 1: So I go to the locker room, I'm cussing theirs out. 1289 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, don't y'all never let nobody grab me 1290 01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,880 Speaker 4: if I'm fighting, somebody grabbed. 1291 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,320 Speaker 6: Them, like, don't grab me. Yeah, that's how you got 1292 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 6: that's that's that's long. That's how you get teed off. 1293 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,200 Speaker 6: They got your arms, you man, I did run to 1294 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:12,600 Speaker 6: the bag. 1295 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,560 Speaker 3: Are you trying to get them after here? 1296 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,320 Speaker 1: You don't grab me? What you don't grab me for 1297 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: something happened. That's that. 1298 01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,200 Speaker 5: That's that untreated trauma. 1299 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:24,919 Speaker 4: That's what that was right there. 1300 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,840 Speaker 6: Uh, Ship, you opened up on our instrumental Doc Rivers 1301 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,880 Speaker 6: and Danny A's work when you were value of your 1302 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:31,880 Speaker 6: mental health demons. 1303 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,439 Speaker 1: Can you shot some of those stories? Yeah? 1304 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,760 Speaker 4: Man, I mean I spoke about it earlier. I spent 1305 01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 4: four days in the mental institution. And you know, here's 1306 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,440 Speaker 4: the thing about like this game behind the game, right, 1307 01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,479 Speaker 4: That's why what you guys do is so important because 1308 01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,800 Speaker 4: it's these what what people see and then what really happens. 1309 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:48,120 Speaker 1: Right. 1310 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,680 Speaker 4: Doc Rivers came to see me every day while I 1311 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,360 Speaker 4: was in the mental institution. Every single morning, Doctor, I'm. 1312 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 1: Just coming leave alone. 1313 01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 4: I'll be here for you know, Doc and you know 1314 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,520 Speaker 4: that little one bowl, you know, he was there every 1315 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 4: day to come and see me. Simultaneously, Danny was going 1316 01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,440 Speaker 4: to our house in Wellesley to check on my family. 1317 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,920 Speaker 4: And so when you talk about what makes organizations different, 1318 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:18,600 Speaker 4: it's not just the aesthetics, it's the infrastructure. 1319 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,080 Speaker 1: It's the people, you. 1320 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,920 Speaker 4: Know what I mean that create the heat culture or 1321 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:29,080 Speaker 4: the Celtics mantras in Stigma and Danny Ainge and Doc rivers, 1322 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,160 Speaker 4: you know, or two of the best men our game 1323 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:31,800 Speaker 4: has ever seen. 1324 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,919 Speaker 1: I love to hear it. What do the next few 1325 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,200 Speaker 1: years look like for you? Oh man? 1326 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,320 Speaker 6: Getting back into the thing I got into. 1327 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Get back to it. We might have to work for 1328 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 1: you over here if you want to come fuck with us. 1329 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 4: Man, I need that work. 1330 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:46,959 Speaker 1: Man. 1331 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 5: You know, like I have some gifts, right, you know 1332 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:50,640 Speaker 5: what I mean? 1333 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,440 Speaker 4: Like I've always had a gift to speak, to communicate, 1334 01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:59,160 Speaker 4: to inspire, to motivate, and so I'm gonna stay true 1335 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,720 Speaker 4: to that. Doing a documentary on this experience, because I 1336 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:09,560 Speaker 4: think it's best we tell our own stories and control 1337 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,120 Speaker 4: the narrative, but like in an authentic way. And so 1338 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,680 Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna push out the documentary, and you know, 1339 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 4: me and Trevor been, you know, kind of having some 1340 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,760 Speaker 4: conversations about some things that we can do. 1341 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,520 Speaker 5: But I'm gonna be around the game one way or another. 1342 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:26,760 Speaker 5: You know. 1343 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,600 Speaker 4: I thank God for my buddy staying Remy from Remy 1344 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,520 Speaker 4: workouts because while I was at the halfway House, I 1345 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,760 Speaker 4: got to work on the court with NBA players every 1346 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 4: day and work with the youth every day. And I 1347 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 4: know there's a certain rhythm and cadence that I'm able 1348 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:46,800 Speaker 4: to you know, unlock in in in hoopers, and then 1349 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,560 Speaker 4: I think there's a certain wisdom from our experience that 1350 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:50,200 Speaker 4: I'm able to. 1351 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,360 Speaker 5: Help them avoid a lot of things. 1352 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,640 Speaker 4: And so the next few years for me, man, I'm 1353 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 4: really gonna focus on, you know, creating content, pushing out 1354 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:03,400 Speaker 4: this docuseriy, contributing to the game of basketball, right and 1355 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,400 Speaker 4: in a number of different ways, right, But more so 1356 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,000 Speaker 4: than anything with that as well, it's like the prison reform, 1357 01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,000 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And it's not like just 1358 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,080 Speaker 4: a reform. It's just like when I was down, we 1359 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,360 Speaker 4: had no speakers that looked like me that came through, right, 1360 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,120 Speaker 4: And I think there's a demographic in the lot of 1361 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,280 Speaker 4: people that look like you in there that's being ignored 1362 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,480 Speaker 4: somewhat neglected, you know. And I say that in the 1363 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,960 Speaker 4: nicest way possible and isolated. And so, you know, because 1364 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 4: I went through this experience, I'm forever feeling right, and 1365 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,840 Speaker 4: I have a platform and I have a voice to 1366 01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,880 Speaker 4: bring up, you know, some of the things that go on, 1367 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 4: so you can help, you. 1368 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,800 Speaker 5: Know, provoke change in a positive way. 1369 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,520 Speaker 4: It's not a judgment thing because everything was not bad there, right, 1370 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,480 Speaker 4: You know everything was not bad, but there's room for 1371 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,720 Speaker 4: improvement in that system. And so yeah, man, I'm just 1372 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,120 Speaker 4: I'm locked in for that, man, and I'm here for it, 1373 01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:06,000 Speaker 4: and I'm. 1374 01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,840 Speaker 5: Looking forward to the next phase of life. 1375 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,040 Speaker 4: And like at the end of the day, Matt, I'm 1376 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:15,120 Speaker 4: gonna stand ten toes down. I'm not the same me. 1377 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,880 Speaker 4: I'm a different version of me right now because I 1378 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,600 Speaker 4: don't give a fuck as much as I used to 1379 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 4: as far as how people view me or or what 1380 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,560 Speaker 4: you know, somebody's image of me is I can't care 1381 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 4: about because I know who I am now and I 1382 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,800 Speaker 4: know what I can endure, right and I also know 1383 01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,600 Speaker 4: what I can have to avoid on a. 1384 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Journey to find that person. Yes, I know what about Uh? 1385 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,120 Speaker 1: What about what about Big Three? 1386 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:42,440 Speaker 4: Oh? 1387 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,320 Speaker 1: So that's the question I had to ask my birthday. 1388 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Look like, great ship. 1389 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,400 Speaker 5: I'm still dunking. I'm still dunking. 1390 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,240 Speaker 6: If you thinking about coming back in the game, the 1391 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:53,480 Speaker 6: Big Thing would love to have you. 1392 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I received that and we'll talk about okay that. 1393 01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:05,040 Speaker 3: I need a little cut it out, sir, well, quick 1394 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,240 Speaker 3: hitters before we get you out of your one piece 1395 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,200 Speaker 3: of advice you would give your younger self. 1396 01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,919 Speaker 4: The piece of advice that I would give my younger self. 1397 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,560 Speaker 1: Is wow. I think I would have got my. 1398 01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,640 Speaker 4: Relationship with the Lord better right and tried to follow 1399 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,480 Speaker 4: the teachings of my faith a little bit more. I 1400 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,160 Speaker 4: wish I would have been honest about, you know, some 1401 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,080 Speaker 4: of the things that I experienced, so that I could 1402 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 4: have dealt with them along the way. 1403 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,640 Speaker 5: A lot of times when you don't deal with things 1404 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,200 Speaker 5: along the. 1405 01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:41,840 Speaker 4: Way, other habits and things come because you're masking and you're. 1406 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,440 Speaker 5: Hurting and you're avoiding certain things. 1407 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,600 Speaker 4: And so I would have done my work earlier, and 1408 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,080 Speaker 4: I would have tried more to you know what I'm saying, 1409 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,880 Speaker 4: get be in alignment with my faith. 1410 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Kind of off script. 1411 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,040 Speaker 3: But the woman behind you, uh huh, they held you 1412 01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,520 Speaker 3: down through all this, huh absolutely? 1413 01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:59,120 Speaker 1: What about her? 1414 01:07:59,280 --> 01:07:59,440 Speaker 2: Man? 1415 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 1: You know what, man, Tash, go back. 1416 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,760 Speaker 4: We got together when we were sixteen years old, and 1417 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,959 Speaker 4: you know, we got four beautiful kids together, and every 1418 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,520 Speaker 4: step of the way she's been, you know, right here 1419 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,040 Speaker 4: for me. And the good thing about like, you know, 1420 01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,719 Speaker 4: relationships and things like that. Man, Hey, they're not always perfect. 1421 01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,439 Speaker 4: They're not always peaches and cream. You're gonna have highs 1422 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,400 Speaker 4: and lows, Lord knows, I made a shitload of mistakes 1423 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,880 Speaker 4: all the way right, and you know, like through it all, 1424 01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:30,960 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, through it all the ups, 1425 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,720 Speaker 4: the downs, the trials, the tribulations, and because we've been 1426 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,080 Speaker 4: together so long, it's really all we know. And so 1427 01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,880 Speaker 4: like in this process, there was a time where we 1428 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,320 Speaker 4: had to take some space. 1429 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,960 Speaker 5: And evaluate, Hey, it's just where we want to be. 1430 01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,439 Speaker 4: Like we've been doing this thing for twenty plus years, 1431 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,519 Speaker 4: where all each other knows it's a lot going on 1432 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,759 Speaker 4: right now. And I couldn't do anything but respect that part, 1433 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,800 Speaker 4: right because like at the end of the day, you 1434 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,760 Speaker 4: have to make your bed, you have to sleep in it. 1435 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,799 Speaker 4: But man, God is so good man. And love is kind, 1436 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,960 Speaker 4: love is patient, love is forgiveness, and you know, we 1437 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,680 Speaker 4: found it in our hearts to you know, say that 1438 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,360 Speaker 4: it's better for us to be together. We better together. 1439 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,960 Speaker 4: Our kids are stronger when we're together, you know what 1440 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,440 Speaker 4: I mean. We still love each other like we're youngsters. 1441 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,680 Speaker 4: When I look at my babe, I look at her 1442 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,200 Speaker 4: and I see you know myself, I see my children, 1443 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,840 Speaker 4: different versions of my children's face in her, and I 1444 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:27,439 Speaker 4: just love her. 1445 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,240 Speaker 5: Man, that's my girl. 1446 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, they love it. I love it. I 1447 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:32,479 Speaker 1: love it. 1448 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:37,479 Speaker 6: Go ahead, Jack one album on repeat right now that 1449 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:42,680 Speaker 6: I can't stop with Dad, k Dot not enough, Like 1450 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,160 Speaker 6: I can't stop man like Dot like Dot, don't like Dot, 1451 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,000 Speaker 6: don't discipline like Kendrick Dogg. 1452 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,840 Speaker 4: It's like, man, it's like, I don't know, man. It's 1453 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,160 Speaker 4: something about the way that he raps in the content 1454 01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,800 Speaker 4: that he creates that I feel in my spirit. It's 1455 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,960 Speaker 4: like like like, so I got that. 1456 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,840 Speaker 5: I got that Dot on repeat right now? 1457 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,439 Speaker 3: Five dinner guests dead, are alive? You plus five at 1458 01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,679 Speaker 3: the dinner table. Food, great environment, great who you're sitting 1459 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 3: around that table with. 1460 01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:14,800 Speaker 2: Man. 1461 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,040 Speaker 4: You know what, man, one of my favorite people, if 1462 01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:21,400 Speaker 4: not my favorite man in history, you know, besides Jesus, Right, 1463 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:22,400 Speaker 4: it's my pops. 1464 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,799 Speaker 5: And I really miss my dad. 1465 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,920 Speaker 4: And if I could sit down and have dinner with 1466 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,240 Speaker 4: my pops, we'll talk plenty of ship. Right, And so 1467 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,479 Speaker 4: I missed my dad. I would love to sit down 1468 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,640 Speaker 4: with him. My wife always invited to my table, so 1469 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,040 Speaker 4: I ain't gonna never, you know, have a table and 1470 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,000 Speaker 4: she can't be at it. But man, you know, like 1471 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,160 Speaker 4: some of my favorite people. Man, it's like I love 1472 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:49,200 Speaker 4: Dion Sanders. Yeah, man, like you know Deon Sanders, is. 1473 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:53,920 Speaker 1: You got a chance? No, no, got got? I would 1474 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:54,439 Speaker 1: be real cool. 1475 01:10:54,479 --> 01:11:00,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, is such an inspiration. I would have to say, 1476 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,840 Speaker 4: you know, Malcolm X brother, but that man, you know, 1477 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,320 Speaker 4: just reading his just reading some of his books and 1478 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,240 Speaker 4: hearing some of his speeches, and you know, his his 1479 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,680 Speaker 4: command of the language and his toughness in his s 1480 01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:21,200 Speaker 4: nenness unbelievable. And you know, last, but not least, I'll say, 1481 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,400 Speaker 4: you know President Obama, you know what I mean, Like, 1482 01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,559 Speaker 4: you know, President Obama is somebody I always felt like 1483 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,080 Speaker 4: if you can, you know, sit at a table with him, 1484 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. He's like one of the 1485 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:32,839 Speaker 4: few people who make. 1486 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,240 Speaker 5: Everybody kind of blush. 1487 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:35,760 Speaker 4: It's like, damn, that's Baraccover. 1488 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,240 Speaker 5: So those would be like the people would like to 1489 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:38,879 Speaker 5: sit down. 1490 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,760 Speaker 6: With best Florida raised athlete of all time. 1491 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,160 Speaker 1: Oh that's very easy, Prime, Yeah, no question. 1492 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,160 Speaker 4: It ain't even seen them Windmill like you go back 1493 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,400 Speaker 4: and see him in those dogs. Yeah, it's like the 1494 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,200 Speaker 4: greatest athlete maybe of all time. 1495 01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,479 Speaker 1: Jackson. Yeah, man, you know, like Prime, if. 1496 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,400 Speaker 6: It was one guess that you would like to see 1497 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,120 Speaker 6: on all the smoke, who would it be, But you 1498 01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,439 Speaker 6: have to help us get your answer on the show. 1499 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:13,840 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, man, you guys do such great work 1500 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:20,320 Speaker 4: and y'all like the environment is so relaxing. Who would 1501 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,040 Speaker 4: I love to see come on this show. Have y'all 1502 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,080 Speaker 4: had mellow yet? 1503 01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? I've had mellow guaranteed. 1504 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,559 Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, let me think. 1505 01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,040 Speaker 6: You that where's wzy Att? 1506 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me man. 1507 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 4: Most people don't know this man. Chris Wilcox is an 1508 01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:42,520 Speaker 4: amazing businessman. 1509 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:49,280 Speaker 3: I want to let him the reservation stuff he got. 1510 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, we'll do shout out spoon to spoon with him. 1511 01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:58,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, no, Wheelcox would be somebody you know, obviously. 1512 01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,960 Speaker 5: A national champion, played a long time, went. 1513 01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 4: Through heart issues and so you know he had had 1514 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,719 Speaker 4: to face you know, morality, you know, in a sense. 1515 01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, Chris will also be somebody pretty cool that 1516 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:08,760 Speaker 4: y'all could deal with. 1517 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,320 Speaker 6: The old school I had in the bet he bought 1518 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,080 Speaker 6: it from. Did he tricked it out? 1519 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,679 Speaker 1: Yeah? He looked good. Hey man, we love you, man, 1520 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:15,280 Speaker 1: I love man. 1521 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,599 Speaker 4: I love you too, Man, I always will always. 1522 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,760 Speaker 3: I feel like the best hag you have to come 1523 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 3: for you you've always been and the reason why you've 1524 01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,880 Speaker 3: messed up in the past, and even before we started talking, 1525 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,879 Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, you tell your side because you've always 1526 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,800 Speaker 3: been stand up and your heart has always been in 1527 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,639 Speaker 3: the right place. You just slipped up a few times 1528 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,200 Speaker 3: to be able to address the childhood trauma and everything 1529 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,240 Speaker 3: that came from it and have that humility to accept 1530 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,639 Speaker 3: responsibility and better yourself. The doors are going to open 1531 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,240 Speaker 3: back up and in a matter of time, so I'm 1532 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:47,400 Speaker 3: glad you was able to fun with. 1533 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,559 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. Man All the Smoke. 1534 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,360 Speaker 4: Next time I come on All the Smoke, I should 1535 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:53,200 Speaker 4: be a probation. 1536 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,280 Speaker 3: You can catch this on All Smoke Production YouTube and 1537 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,439 Speaker 3: the Draft Cans Network. 1538 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:03,599 Speaker 1: We'll see y'all next time. 1539 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:26,120 Speaker 2: H mm hmmmm mm, hmmm hmm