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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. David Carr, NFL Network analyst, former NFL quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and he joins us now. The Thursday night game, by

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Speaker 1: the way, Cowboys without their head coach Mike McCarthy against

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Speaker 1: the Saints on Fox, NFL Network and Amazon Prime Video,

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Speaker 1: and David kind enough to join us. How important is

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Speaker 1: that head coach when you make your decision to go play? Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's extremely important. Have you You've seen when Lincoln left Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: how many top five recruits and just five stars said yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm going with him or I'm gonna go somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: It's it's vitally important. Coach. I'm a huge believer in coaching.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter what level you're at. You

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Speaker 1: could be high school football. You can give your kids

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Speaker 1: an extreme advantage just by the xus and those that

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Speaker 1: you draw up. So you know what, it goes beyond

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Speaker 1: that as well. It goes to the type of person

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Speaker 1: with the guy is um I mean, there's so many

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Speaker 1: different levels to it. But to think that, you know,

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Speaker 1: all these guys can just roll out there and it's

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Speaker 1: just a matter of will and it's a matter of

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Speaker 1: just being tougher than the other guy. That's crazy. You

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Speaker 1: can do so much just with xers and o's in

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Speaker 1: the scheme. You can create offense for your quarterback, you

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Speaker 1: can make it easy for your offensive line. You can

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Speaker 1: make it also extremely difficult. So yeah, I mean, coaching

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Speaker 1: is coaching is everything. Did USC recruit you? No? And

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Speaker 1: I'm really upset about it. You know what I am

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Speaker 1: going to go. I'm going to spring ball because Lincoln

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to keep me off that field.

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Speaker 1: I have to. I have to see this thing person.

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Speaker 1: This is I told William again us yesterday we were

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Speaker 1: doing our show. I said, look, man, I don't I'm

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Speaker 1: just tagging along. So you're just gonna have to deal

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Speaker 1: with it because I steal Lincoln's plays all the time,

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Speaker 1: runn from high school fotball team. So you're definitely bringing

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Speaker 1: me with you. But you know, um etc did in

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Speaker 1: Washington did But then ironically we just lost our coach

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Speaker 1: at President State to Washington, so you know it happens everywhere. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what do you see? You say you steal plays when

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Speaker 1: you coach with Lincoln Riley, What is separating him from

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Speaker 1: a lot of these other coaches I was talking to

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Speaker 1: on just some of the numbers that we're hearing from

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Speaker 1: this guy. But honestly, when you watch his scheme, it's

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Speaker 1: not that difficult, but it's brilliant because he has subtle changes.

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Speaker 1: And Tony Dengee was like this Tony Dengie when he

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Speaker 1: was the coach of the Colts. They on the surface,

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Speaker 1: changes that they would make to the front, to the

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Speaker 1: linebacker's responsibilities, to the corners responsibilities, and it would match

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Speaker 1: what you do and try to effectively take away what

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Speaker 1: the same way. When you watch his office schemes, it

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Speaker 1: looks like he only runs five plays, but those five

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Speaker 1: plays have so many different tweaks and combinations, and the

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Speaker 1: brilliance of what he does is he'll show you something

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Speaker 1: you know, another element to the play. So it's almost

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Speaker 1: like just Another example, the Seattle Seahawks. They used to

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Speaker 1: one could complete passes against him, no one could move

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Speaker 1: brilliance is he's gonna run stuff that looks exactly the

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Speaker 1: same as everything you've seen on film. He's gonna hit

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Speaker 1: the time. So that's the brilliance of what of what

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Speaker 1: he does is on the surfaces. It's simple, it's easy

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not a it's not a big

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Speaker 1: during the game. Are are just brilliant. Best coaching job

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Speaker 1: So I get that, But I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great job. I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: And when he watches the Seattle Seahawks, he gets visibly

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Speaker 1: They think about Marshawn Lynch. I mean, they were pounding

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Speaker 1: You know, they're not really pushing the pile, and they'll

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Speaker 1: even when Oi was there, based on the offensive line

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Speaker 1: is Shane Waldron is a young offensive coordinator. Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: from the pocket. The problem is they have an identity crisis,

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Speaker 1: That's why it's hard to watch. That's why it's difficult

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Speaker 1: because they don't even know really what they want to do,

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Speaker 1: and their best plays are still with Russ just kind

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Speaker 1: of making things happen. But the problem is that's not

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Speaker 1: they're kind of just trying to figure it out right now,

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Speaker 1: and that's why it looks so bad. David, great to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. As always, we appreciate your insights. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. You got a buddy. Thanks. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: they were a super Bowl contender? I don't think at

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Speaker 1: one point I said the Seattle Seahawks or a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl contender. It was all about letting Russ cook and

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Speaker 1: how good he looked. But ultimately I think this thing

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Speaker 1: has just ran its course and the peat goals, and

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Speaker 1: they get the right type of guy. Potentially it could

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Speaker 1: keep Russ there, but Russ his family life, all of

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Speaker 1: those things I think are going to factor into him.

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Speaker 1: Maybe want to change locations. If I gave you a

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Speaker 1: free shot at Keyshawn Johnson, Ryan Clarker, dann Or life

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Speaker 1: Dan or a Lobski, and I try to saw him

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Speaker 1: in ham DP. I gotta be honest with you. And

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Speaker 1: I love him because he my brother. But I would

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Speaker 1: try to saw him in had because he has that

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Speaker 1: little staking arrogance of a quarterback that sometimes comes off

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Speaker 1: that you just want to like, You just want to

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Speaker 1: make them know that you really aren't an athlete. You

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Speaker 1: had a really good arm and you could throw, but

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Speaker 1: you can't get away. And I would want to saw

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Speaker 1: him in half. I absolutely would. And I love him,

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Speaker 1: I love him like him have stayed at his home,

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Speaker 1: his kids, of my nephews and nieces. But if I

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Speaker 1: had a shot on any of them, it'll be dead. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not Patrick. What if I threw Greeny in there?

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Speaker 1: You want to take a poppet, my greenbird? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to see how long hid be in the hospital. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's great to catch up with you. We hope to

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Speaker 1: have you back and thank you again for all the

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Speaker 1: kind words. Marcus, my man, Thank you man, appreciate it. It

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Speaker 1: It was fun, and have me back because if not,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about your bad That's okay, that's okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: you won't be alone and doing that. Thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Marcus's Marcus Spears, ESPN NFL Analyst and you can see

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Speaker 1: him on NFL Live Monday through Friday at for Eastern

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Speaker 1: with the host Laura Rutledge. Thanks for listening to The

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live

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Speaker 1: every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine

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Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live

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Speaker 1: on the Peacock app. He's my Carmen, I'm Dan Byer.

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Speaker 1: We have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I

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Speaker 1: Want Your Flex. Twice a week every Tuesday and Friday,

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Speaker 1: we come up with new episodes to not only look

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Speaker 1: back at what happened, what you need to do at

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Speaker 1: that minute, and also look ahead of what's coming up

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Speaker 1: in the fantasy football world. That's right, Dan. Every week

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Speaker 1: we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find the pickups

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Speaker 1: to turbo boost your fantasy lineup six starts, fantasy football

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Speaker 1: players rankings to get you ready to dominate the competition.

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Speaker 1: Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmen and

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Speaker 1: met Dan Buyer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast and

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Eric Campson has covered Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame since the mid nineties nineteen ninety seven, and he

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Speaker 1: covers Notre Dame football and for the South Ben Tribune.

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Speaker 1: Where's this rank on Shocking days at Notre Dame and

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame history. There, Eric, shocking days of my career.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing this since nineteen eighty three and that

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Speaker 1: was number one. I mean, I just didn't see it

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Speaker 1: coming and I'm still kind of shaking my head. Brian

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Speaker 1: Kelly just finished building a new house near campus and

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Speaker 1: oh boy, it was. It's just, you know, as much

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Speaker 1: as he's his whole identity has been tied into Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame winning a national championship, in him fighting to put

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame in a position to make that a reality,

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Speaker 1: and ruffling some feathers along the way. It's just an

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Speaker 1: interesting left turn for me from my perspective. How would

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Speaker 1: you sum up the last twenty four hours? And do

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Speaker 1: you think all of this happened in a twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour period? I do. I think that Brian was you know,

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Speaker 1: was always willing to listen to people, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think he thought saw himself as walking away from Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think it just all kind of

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Speaker 1: came together. I mean, his own assistant coaches didn't know,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, Jack Swarberg mentioned that, you know,

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Speaker 1: he had conversations with Brian last night. That's when they

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Speaker 1: first talked about it. So you know, the thing about

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Speaker 1: it is Brian did leave the program in a good

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Speaker 1: place and whoever walks in the door next is going

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Speaker 1: to have a much easier job than Brian did walking

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Speaker 1: in the door. And December of two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: why did he leave? You know, I was talking to

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Speaker 1: a friend of his just before we got on the

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Speaker 1: air here, and you know, I think the money had

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Speaker 1: something to do with it, But I just think, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe a different challenge. Maybe he just got tired of

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Speaker 1: trying to fight the same fights and just thought, well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's try to do this somewhere else. It's surprises again.

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Speaker 1: We're still kind of walking through the shock of his

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Speaker 1: own friends, of his own inner circle that this happened.

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Speaker 1: And so it just I wish I had a better

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Speaker 1: answer for you, Dan, Well, you sound like somebody who

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Speaker 1: is shocked I have. I'm shaking my head. At sixty

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Speaker 1: years old, you know, two to go and Brian's a

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Speaker 1: young sixty takes care of himself, He does yoga, He

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Speaker 1: has a lot of balance in his life. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, he was the oldest coach to ever coach

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Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. He's the first one to be sixty

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Speaker 1: years old to be on that sideline. So he's doing

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Speaker 1: something right. But you know, his whole identity was tied

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Speaker 1: in recruiting and everything else was tied into his belief

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Speaker 1: when nobody else was believing him that Notre Dame could

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Speaker 1: win a national championship and all the battles that he

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Speaker 1: had to fight for, the JumboTron and facilities and artificial turf.

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Speaker 1: That just made the traditionalist mad. You know, that was

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Speaker 1: all who Brian Kelly he was. And that's why, you know,

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Speaker 1: right last night I wrote he kind of broke the

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Speaker 1: promise to himself that he could do this, that he

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Speaker 1: could pull it off. All right, So the short list

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Speaker 1: of candidates to replace him, you know, the two that

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Speaker 1: are the most intriguing to me is Luca Fickle, who's

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Speaker 1: the head coach at Cincinnati and who has no interest

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Speaker 1: in being distracted from what they're trying to do this

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Speaker 1: weekend with Houston. So I would be shocked if any

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Speaker 1: there was any movement this week with him. And then

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Speaker 1: I think Marcus Freeman's intriguing. I think it's a risk

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Speaker 1: only from the standpoint that non head coaches, non head

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Speaker 1: college coaches, haven't done well in this job and no

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Speaker 1: matter how talented they seem, kind of coming in and

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Speaker 1: Marcus has only been at Notre Dame for a year.

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Speaker 1: Boy is he a sharp guy when you talk to him.

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Speaker 1: A defensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, he can recruit, He handles

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Speaker 1: having six kids pretty well, so he's a good multitasker.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's an intriguing pick. I think it

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Speaker 1: would be a risk. I think that is the guy

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Speaker 1: that the players are building support for. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how much of a voice they'll have in this, but

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Speaker 1: that's kind of who they're kind of pushing Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: to look at, and I think he will get a look.

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Speaker 1: I wonder about this, Eric, we're talking to Eric Hanson.

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Speaker 1: He covers Notre Dame football for the South Bend Tribune.

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Speaker 1: Let's say this is I don't know, eight months ago,

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Speaker 1: a year ago, Urban Meyers on the Fox pregame show set,

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Speaker 1: and you have openings including Jacksonville, but you have Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame as an opening. And Urban famously, when he was

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Speaker 1: leaving Utah, I think did a pitch stop at Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame and then didn't like what he heard and then

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Speaker 1: kept going south to Florida. But Urban Meyer on the

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Speaker 1: radar here at all name. I think the circumstances that

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Speaker 1: led him to leave Ohio State would be a tough

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Speaker 1: sell for the Notre Dame trustees, as much as they'd

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Speaker 1: love to have him, as much as that was kind

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Speaker 1: of always the dream coach. I think that would keep

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame from moving on that, even if there were

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Speaker 1: interested interest from Urban On the other side of that,

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Speaker 1: what's a better opening USC? Lshe Notre Dame. I'd throw

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Speaker 1: okloone in there, but Oklahoma. I mean, if you want to,

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Speaker 1: But best job out of those four, I think Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame is a great job. I think it's the hardest

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Speaker 1: job of the four. Ya you know, Okloma. You have

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Speaker 1: Texas sitting there, USC of California recruiting, Louisiana per capita

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Speaker 1: has great talent and Notre Dame. You know where Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame's biggest draw has been for talent in the last

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Speaker 1: four years, California, and number two is Georgia. It's not

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Speaker 1: Ohio or Indiana or Illinois. I mean, they're going all

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Speaker 1: over the place. And I think that's and now Brian

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Speaker 1: Kelly's raised the bar on expectations. I think it's the

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Speaker 1: most difficult of those jobs. What would be the best job?

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Speaker 1: I would say probably USC, just because they have the tradition,

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Speaker 1: the recruiting and everything all rolled into one. And I

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Speaker 1: think they can stop those California stars from being so transy.

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Speaker 1: And I mean you look at Ohio State, air quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: from California. Alabama their quarterbacks from California. What are you

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Speaker 1: gonna do? Air quarterbacks from California? What are you going

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Speaker 1: to do? The rest of the day, Eric, I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of writing to do the rest of the day.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna write a column on what the next steps

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Speaker 1: should look like. And then we have the beautiful college

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Speaker 1: football playoff show tonight. Wouldn't that be wild if all

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Speaker 1: the tumblers fell and Notre Dame somehow backed into the

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Speaker 1: playoff picture? Well, if if somebody slips up here in

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Speaker 1: these conference title games, if Alabama loses, Notre Dame may

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Speaker 1: may slip in there. And then who's coaching Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: in the bowl game? They are not gonna or they're

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Speaker 1: not gonna have an interim coach right now. I think

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Speaker 1: they would appoint one at that point. But again, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a tugo war with Brian Kelly wanting to

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Speaker 1: pull some people to LSUS. I know it may be

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Speaker 1: you and me coach and Notre Dame in the bowl game. Well,

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Speaker 1: o'klum was bringing back Bob Stoops. Can Notre Dame bring

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Speaker 1: back Lou Holtzer Rudy. How about Rudy coaches him? Then

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving the beat. That would be I'd rather see

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Speaker 1: somebody from the media coach Eric. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: now you've got a busy day. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me on