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Speaker 2: Oh you got the side door over there, she'll get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote this.

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Speaker 2: We're an hour out from showtime and Evan's picking his

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Speaker 2: He's got a piece of cardboard in front of him

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Speaker 2: When did you write that?

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Speaker 2: Self titled record twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Now in twenty fourteen, by that time, you were pretty

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Speaker 3: We were just a club band.

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Speaker 2: I are we fixated on that song because we're hunters?

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Speaker 2: Is that one of your most popular songs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I played every night, played every night.

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Speaker 2: Did you get tired of people talking to you about it?

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised anybody. I'm surprised that it got to have

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Speaker 2: Is it one of your favorite?

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Speaker 1: It's my favorite because it was sort of exploring new

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Speaker 1: It was like an experiment that resonated, and that's always.

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Speaker 1: that happened that's allegory for you know, like the love

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Speaker 1: allegory for some stuff, and it's it's personal to me

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Speaker 5: Cooby tooling shotguns, singing fun the old love Danny Got three,

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Speaker 5: I look back grin in a fumbled around, tried to

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Speaker 8: Mys around the Belgian maid brown and the mind on

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Speaker 7: Ys.

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Speaker 2: In the song, two Buddies go quail hunting, and the

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Speaker 2: narrator recounts about when he left their small town for

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Speaker 2: now much older, but the land they've hunted since they

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what stood out most of me,

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Speaker 3: It's not far off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you left your bird dog, though, to go to

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Speaker 2: they may not have actually left town and haf their dogs.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just a just a data point in America, Okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's just a common thing, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that that period, I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so cool the thing that attracted me to

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Speaker 1: It was real enough and like the observations were valid

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this song has two things that are themes in

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Speaker 2: But there's more. The other thing that's in that song

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very much like it's funny because there's so

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Speaker 2: By the way, Well, I was afraid to ask you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's legitimate. I still have that one.

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Speaker 1: And that was the gun that I learned how to

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Speaker 3: That's real.

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Speaker 1: So that that's me just sort of putting my own

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Speaker 2: I made a huge mistake in not asking Evan to

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So in the difference, I would say is is

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Speaker 2: Why does that have to be for radio?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think it's it's why it's it's

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Speaker 7: have it as a background music. So when they want

442
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 7: you to like stuff, but they more than anything, they

443
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 7: don't want people to not like stuff. They don't want

444
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 7: people to dislike the music that's playing on the radio.

445
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 7: That's the whole goal of the radio. So people aren't

446
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 7: making there's.

447
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: No where they don't want them taking a chance on

448
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 2: doing something wild that may not work, but maybe the

449
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: greatest thing ever written.

450
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 7: Totally they don't want. They would rather have something safe

451
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 7: and have something that is is down the line that

452
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 7: doesn't that keeps people from turning the radio off.

453
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: A song like The bird Hunters was a gamble. Most

454
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: people who write songs like that you'll never know their

455
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: name because their music never makes it mainstream. I asked

456
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: Evan what he learned from the success of The bird Hunters.

457
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: It just reaffirmed that, like, if you're making the right

458
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you're making the right observations for the

459
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: right reasons, and if it's captivating to you, then it's

460
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: probably valuable enough to do, you know, and to it's

461
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: worth taking a shot putting it out there to see

462
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: if it really is.

463
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: When you say making the right observations, do you mean

464
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: like in life?

465
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: Like literally, yeah, what's interesting? What's captivating? Yeah, that's what

466
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean. So much of songwriting and being creative is

467
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: trusting yourself to pursue an idea, because it's so easy

468
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: to have an idea go through your head and just

469
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: let it go. The more that you go out on

470
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: a limit and any of these songs that work that

471
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: reaffirm that that's a valid idea, that's a you know,

472
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: go for it is good for me. You know, it

473
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: makes me more productive.

474
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: And I keep I keep talking about this bird Hunter

475
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 2: song as if that's the only song you've ever written.

476
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: But am I hearing you say that that was a

477
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: pinnacle moment.

478
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: Yes, because it is sort of out on a limb.

479
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: It is like not safe. It's not necessarily safe territory, right, yeah, yeah,

480
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: and not not that it's like outlandish, but it's it's

481
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: not it's not necessarily pedestrian either, you know.

482
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: It's it's sort of weird pedestrian. Well, I mean like commonplace.

483
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: It's like a love story set in the middle of

484
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: the hunt of quail hunting.

485
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: Did other stuff that you have written, did you take

486
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: cues off of what worked there?

487
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, using like concrete imagery and set in a scene

488
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: and then you know, telling a very broad stroke story

489
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: with a lot with breadcrumbs.

490
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

491
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: I like doing that. I mean, because that's even though

492
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: that sounds formulaic, it's not necessarily easy enough that they

493
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: all come out the same necessarily. So it's like nice

494
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: to having that approach in your back pocket when you

495
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: go sit down somewhere, you know.

496
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: Now, tell me about your actual experience.

497
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: With bird dogs.

498
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a kind of a love affair with

499
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: with pointer dogs since I was seventeen or eighteen.

500
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: When I got my first dog.

501
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: I went hunting in kind of the pine timber and

502
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: stuff down in southeast Oklahoma with some friends, and I

503
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: remember I was just talking to a friend of mine

504
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: about this because he took me and I realized at

505
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: that point in time that I couldn't shoot. I was

506
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: not nearly fast enough to shoot a Bob White Noptember

507
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: because the first covey your eyes went up and I

508
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: never shot. They were gone before I even like had

509
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: the wherewithal to even.

510
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: Think about it. And I was like, oh, this is

511
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 3: this is hard.

512
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: It's really challenging to get to that point where you

513
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: can really you know, get your get up and shoot

514
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: them and the effective and on top of that, you know,

515
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: train these dogs. And I've always liked messing with dogs so,

516
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's there. It's just it seemed like magic

517
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: or something.

518
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. It still still does every once in

519
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 3: a while. And yeah, bird dogs today, Yeah.

520
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had bird dogs today.

521
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: What about the song the uh your house fire song?

522
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 3: Is your house burned down?

523
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 7: No?

524
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: No, I'm a fraud. I've told you, I'm a fraud.

525
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: That is based on one of our neighbors' account of

526
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: their their house burning. I think they had I think

527
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: their house burned twice, oddly enough, but he just talked

528
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: about like waking up and it was happening, and they

529
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: got outside and then by the time he got back in,

530
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: they couldn't get anything, you know, and how quickly it happened.

531
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: What inspired you to write that song? Like, and I

532
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: think that's a great example. That song is a great

533
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: example of you picking out something that's interesting that we

534
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't think was, Like if you just looked in my head,

535
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: there's no place that I would think about a house fire.

536
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: But when when that song makes us all think what

537
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: it would be like to lose everything, well.

538
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: You know, like so the person that was telling me

539
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: about it when I was and I was a kid too,

540
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: and maybe they weren't even telling me maybe they're just

541
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: talking to somebody, and I overheard it, and it seemed

542
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: it's just like this huge event in someone's life on

543
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: top of like I don't know how to say what

544
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm what I mean necessarily, like it has so many layers,

545
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: Like there's loss of possessions, there's you know, danger, there's action,

546
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: and there's like the sentimentality of this stuff and the

547
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: uncertainty of knowing what you gotta do. And so to

548
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: put yourself in that spot seemed interesting.

549
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: And so you but you were able just to like

550
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: pick that kind of.

551
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: Out of the air, yeah, because it was interesting.

552
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: House Far probably was the first Turnpike Tribudoor song that

553
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: I consciously remember listening to. And I'll tell you the

554
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: verse that hooked me. It was when Laurie takes the

555
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: baby outside and wraps the child in a car heart

556
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: coat that she found.

557
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 8: In my ride.

558
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and man, again, that was one of those connector moments.

559
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: It was as if I was the only person in

560
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: America that had a car heart coat in their truck.

561
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: And I remember just being like, who are these guys?

562
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: But I think that's the detail in any good song,

563
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: But to me, it stands out in your work is

564
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: finding specificity that's kind of obscure that really stands out,

565
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: and if you probably hand pick your audience in a

566
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: way by what you talk about. Because now now car

567
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: Heart of all things today is like a hipster gear.

568
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: So funny, I was I was like me and you

569
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: were like pre hipster car guys. But you probably kind

570
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: of select for the kind of people that would identify that's.

571
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: What my dad would have in this truck, that's what

572
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: guys in this area and tax bracket war in the wintertime.

573
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and yeah, car Heart did all the heavy lifting.

574
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: But the brand, the brand name that had been around

575
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: for eighty Yeah that man, Well, yeah they ought to

576
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: get you know what they they should behind you, they

577
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: I think they should think. I don't think they need

578
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: anymore with the hipster hipster stuf. Yeah yeah, well you

579
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: probably helped make them hipster.

580
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: How did the how did growing up where you did

581
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: affect the way that you write and play music?

582
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know, I know that it did,

583
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: but uh, it's something that like now looking back, and

584
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people feel this way, probably

585
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: especially if you're kind of from a rural environment. You

586
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: grew up in a pretty special place, and you know,

587
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: we were far enough from cities and stuff that I

588
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: feel like the people were particularly interesting because they grew

589
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: up a different way or they you know. I feel like,

590
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, everything was like a generation behind, you know,

591
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: so you know, I grew up like the same as

592
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: like reading a field and Stream article about some kid

593
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: in the seventies.

594
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: Or something like that, you know what I mean.

595
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: Like, I don't feel like my life was my experience

596
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: with childhood was that much different than that stuff.

597
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: But the normalcy of it, I mean, that's kind of

598
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: the beauty of it is that for this part of

599
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: the world, you probably did have a normal child.

600
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

601
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: But somebody that can turn that into art that paints

602
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: a picture of a culture that's really powerful.

603
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

604
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: And so oftentimes you think that somebody that's making art

605
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: might have some like super unique insights into something, but

606
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: maybe they don't. Maybe they're like really good at just

607
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: observing the common things and making them noble or maybe

608
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: not even noble, but just interesting. It's wild how tickled

609
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: people get when they connect with the song, even at

610
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: the most base level. Yeah, like me saying you singing

611
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: about a car heart jacket watered up in your truck,

612
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: like told me a lot about who this guy was

613
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: whose house burned down, And I like that.

614
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: Like be one of my buddies, or that could have

615
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: been me, or that could have been my dad or whatever.

616
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: Why does that make me like the song? Because I

617
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: see Carhart coats wadded up in the back of the

618
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: trucks all the time. It's like not even that special,

619
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: but there's something about making it, making it into art.

620
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: That's I think that we're all looking for some kind

621
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: of connection with that stuff, you know, and it's nice

622
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: when you get to get to feel that.

623
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Turnpikes started in two thousand and six in obscurity, like

624
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: thousands of other bands, maybe millions, But by twenty fourteen,

625
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: even before the release of The Bird Hunters, the band

626
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: was in a category that few musicians ever find themselves in.

627
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: They were popular and successful by anyone's metric, But in

628
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen things came to an abrupt stopped when something

629
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: happened to the Turnpike Troubadours. This is a clip from

630
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: the YouTube channel Country Cast, published about six years ago.

631
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Speaker 9: The Turnpike Troubadours have recently canceled several shows abruptly again

632
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 9: over this past Memorial Day weekend, and according to an

633
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 9: article by Whiskey Riff earlier in May, there were rumors

634
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 9: circulating that Turnpike Troubadour's frontman, Evan Felker, appeared to be

635
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 9: under the influence and has had a hard time performing,

636
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 9: and after a benefit concert in Guthrie, Oklahoma, fans of

637
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 9: the band turned to social media to share their thoughts

638
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 9: and prayers. During that show, Felker appeared to have a

639
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 9: very hard time throughout the performance and now a post

640
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 9: was made to Turnpike Troubadour's official Instagram page where it read,

641
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 9: this weekend shows are unfortunately not going to happen for

642
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 9: Turnpike Troubadours. On behalf of the band, we apologize for

643
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 9: all the cancelations previously and this weekend. We are saddened

644
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 9: by the situation and what you ought to know. We

645
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 9: tried our best to stay positive during this stressful time. However,

646
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 9: we have been standing at the crossroads optimistically in hopes

647
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 9: of healing, but it was not meant to be. We

648
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 9: ask for your prayers and support as it is our

649
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 9: hope that our brother receives the encouragement and the help

650
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 9: he needs. Thank you for all the sold out shows,

651
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 9: the memories and support fans have since.

652
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: Gone to social media. I remember when this happened. I

653
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: didn't know Evan at the time, but I've got to

654
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: admit that my response was quite self interested. I thought,

655
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: that's a shame. I really like those guys music, and

656
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: there was this assumption that they wouldn't be making any

657
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: more of it. I was disconnected in my empathy or

658
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: thought about Evan and his family were non existent. Evan

659
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: was living out his own words. He was paying the

660
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: price of admission, which was pain, something every human can

661
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: relate to. Evan was an alcoholic, and for the first

662
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: time in his life, he knew he had to change.

663
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: When the band broke up in twenty nineteen, when you

664
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: stopped playing, what was that like? How did you How

665
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: did you know you had a problem? How did you

666
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: know how to fix it?

667
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 3: Well? I didn't.

668
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: I knew that there was a problem. I wasn't one

669
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure it was me. Turns out it was.

670
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: But I just just did some deductive reasoning came to

671
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: the conclusion that I was a part of the problem, No,

672
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: the whole problem. Yeah, m so it was one of

673
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: those things. I've just been in the bar so long,

674
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: and like all this stuff was going on, and I said,

675
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: with everything to do with the public, like I just

676
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: wanted to go live off the grid somewhere, not maybe

677
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: not off the grid, but like hide out somewhere, you know.

678
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: And so I did, and things were pretty good for

679
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: a while. You know, where did you go?

680
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: I went down to southeast Texas to to my buddy's

681
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: place down there, and I just lived down there and

682
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: we duck on.

683
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: It, and I mean, life was great.

684
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: But then eventually, you know, it caught back up with me,

685
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I just still just drinking.

686
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: Too much and everything, and so you thought you could

687
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: It's just a shift in geographic location, yeah, which is.

688
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: Like z textbook first thing anybody with a drug or

689
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: alcohol problem does is they change where they are. Yeah,

690
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: And you know, like we, I lived in this situation

691
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: where you know, I was like hanging out somewhere every

692
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: two or three months, and it was a party every

693
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: time I went there. So it didn't matter for a

694
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: long time. And then finally it caught up with me

695
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: where I was just not really able to play very

696
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: well or I couldn't keep my act together well enough

697
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: to keep from getting like two truck before I played,

698
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, And so then it started to cause problems there,

699
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: not that it wasn't causing problems everywhere else.

700
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: It just caused problems on the stage too, And it

701
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: was just turning into too much.

702
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: And we played so much, like over and over and over,

703
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: just never ending, and like it really did feel like

704
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: I was never gonna we weren't ever gonna take a breath.

705
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: You were your bandmates trying to talk to you. Did

706
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: you have people around you that are like drinking?

707
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: They all drink way too much too, I mean, you

708
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it wasn't like I wasn't

709
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: the only I mean I might've been the main problem,

710
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: but I wasn't the only person. Like it was a

711
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: good place for a person with a drinking problem.

712
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: We were, yeah, just out of the.

713
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Job description.

714
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: We were a drinking band, Like we were a drinking

715
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: bar band, drinking whiskey on stage, you know, just like it.

716
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 3: Was just live.

717
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: How do you how do you feel about alcohol now?

718
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: Like even with your like with your kids, with with

719
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: other people's kids, Like you're influential guy, how would you

720
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: want the message that you would send about alcohol, what

721
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: would that be in general?

722
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's any problem with alcohol other

723
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: than I can't have any like that's the only problem

724
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: with alcohol. Like I don't I don't care. I mean,

725
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: people do do what they want, but it's not for me,

726
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: you know. And there's a And the message that I

727
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: would send is that that's not a big deal. There

728
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: are going to be some people that hear this that

729
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: should probably assess their drinking. And there is like a

730
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: really good life on the other side of put of

731
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: not drinking anything.

732
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: So the not big deal is you don't need this

733
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: to have a great.

734
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: Remove one little thing from from your life and it

735
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: solves ninety seven percent of your problems. That's not a

736
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: bad trade off. Yeah, I mean life is is kind

737
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: of amazing, and it's it doesn't seem normal.

738
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: You know.

739
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: You see stuff on TV about like, you know, everything

740
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: to do with the recovery community and like everything to do.

741
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: With post addiction.

742
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: People that you see is like this, these sort of

743
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: sad zombies that are sort of drifting through life and

744
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: like don't have happiness, and you know, my life is

745
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: extremely full and like I get to go. We got

746
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: to have this morning today, you know, like I get

747
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: to I got to go to Alaska with Steve this.

748
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: You know, if I was drinking at all, that would

749
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: have not happened. Like every opportunity that I get now

750
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: is direct correlated with the fact that I don't drink anymore.

751
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: You know, how do you how.

752
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: Would you describe so briety, Like as I understand just

753
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: hearing you, I mean, like you were drinking a lot,

754
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: and just the clarity inside of life that comes when

755
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: you're not, when you're not using this thing to cope

756
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: with the difficulties of life.

757
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, yeah, so there there's one thing

758
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: that happens. So like I drink a lot, and number one,

759
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: I didn't do a whole lot of anything, and it

760
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: was still fun. Like alcohol makes doing nothing fun. So

761
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: the only answer to that is, like, do something that's

762
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: actually fun, actually.

763
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: Be actually go like actually be productive. Yeah, And I mean,

764
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: isn't that the lie of any kind of addiction? Is Yeah.

765
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 2: I had a guy one time that I worked with, Yeah,

766
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: that was kind of an old druggie and I had

767
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: never used drugs, and he told me something I'll never forget.

768
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: He said, drugs, And it was just like this simple thing.

769
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: He said, drugs take a normal day and make it

770
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: the most incredible day you've ever had in your life.

771
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: And that's obviously the biggest deception, like of all time

772
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 2: exactly because you're sitting on your couch having like a trip. Yeah,

773
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: I mean that's I guess that's the the fallacy of

774
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: the whole addiction world is that.

775
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: It might make it seem interesting or lend it lend

776
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: the illusion of interest, but you see it. Listen back

777
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: to a conversation that you have, Like, do I know

778
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: that nobody that drinks wants.

779
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: To hear themselves talk while they're drunk? Ever? Come on?

780
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 3: You know, so what I'm hearing you say is that

781
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: like now.

782
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: You're you're you're going out and actually doing interesting things.

783
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

784
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: I do my best, you know, I try to and

785
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: productive can be some days I'm productive too, Yeah, but

786
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: on my on my worst day, now, like I'm still

787
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: ten times more productive than I ever was.

788
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: When you know, well, what's the difference between somebody that

789
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: can handle it and somebody that can't.

790
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's so there's like a part of addiction

791
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: is physiology, and there are those of us who are

792
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: going to be more prone to that. You know, part

793
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: of it's maybe just overexposure to that that happens too,

794
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: But the question was what's the difference in people that

795
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: can handle it and people that can't. Well, if it's

796
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: causing you problems, or let's say, this is a very

797
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: very simple way to do it. If when you start

798
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: drinking you can't control how much you drink after you've

799
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: had one or two, then you have a drinking problem.

800
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: So you're saying, just that loss of control exactly the signal.

801
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: That's the signal, and that's probably where people get screwed

802
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: up because they it's so hard for somebody to admit

803
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: they have a problem any part of life.

804
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: It's the worst.

805
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not even with alcohol, but like just

806
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: a human problem is a condition where we have difficulty

807
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: assessing our own issues to say, okay, I have a problem,

808
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: whether it's a anger problem, or a problem with your

809
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: finances or ab album with the relationship, or a problem

810
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: like we have a hard time saying, okay, this is

811
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: a problem because it's out of control.

812
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not necessarily the admitting that there is a problem,

813
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: it's admitting that you need help solving it.

814
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: Hence the whole help thing.

815
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: What brought you to being able to do that?

816
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: I tried everything on my own and it and my

817
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: life was just becoming more and more unmanageable.

818
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: Where Evan were you were you really like miserable?

819
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, just you know, and mine was

820
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: a pretty cut and dry case of it, which I'm

821
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: very grateful for. It's something that I don't want to

822
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: go back to. Yes that I'm not, you know, I

823
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: would never ever want to.

824
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: Evan's life is a lot different than it used to be.

825
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: In April of twenty twenty two, the band reunited and

826
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: played their first show since the breakup. I think we

827
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: were all surprised. It was like the ultimate comeback. Even

828
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: fellow Oklahoma Zach Bryan was surprised. And then the song

829
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: east Side of Sorrow he mentions the band's comeback, and

830
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: it became the stuff of legend. When guys like Zach

831
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: Bryan start writing songs about your band's come back, you're

832
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: beyond the tipping point of influence on the culture. I

833
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: want to talk to Evan about this new chapter in

834
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: his life.

835
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: Pretty much risk.

836
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: So this is Kanes is where y'all came back to.

837
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: First show back yeah, we played here.

838
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: Is it's only like three years ago, right was it?

839
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 7: So?

840
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: What was that like? Coming back here?

841
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: It was amazing?

842
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, and it was it was a big like

843
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: because we weren't all like crazy shit we were gonna

844
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: do it again and then like really get out on

845
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: the road and play and so coming back and this

846
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 1: stuff was packed out and everybody was crying. Everybody was crying, groaning, crying,

847
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: girls crying. Everything is children crying, old people crying. No,

848
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: it was it was something else.

849
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: On April eighth, twenty twenty two, Turnpike played their first

850
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: show back after the hiatus. Now three and a half

851
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: years later, here we are and today, in late August

852
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Evan is playing an acoustic show back

853
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: at Cain's. This is his hometown.

854
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 3: Crowd.

855
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: Misty and I walk in the back door and sit

856
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: within thirty feet of Evan on stage. We feel really

857
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: cool coming in that side door. The place is going wild,

858
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: all right. Evan just went on the stage.

859
00:46:49,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Crowd's cheering, Caine's Ballroom. How are you doing tonight, ladies

860
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, And I really appreciate y'all packing the place

861
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: for us.

862
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: Here we go let's just let him play the whole thing.

863
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 5: Little Covey two going the shotgu singing fun dog down,

864
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 5: fel log.

865
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: Danny got.

866
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 5: I look back, grin in the thumbleed around.

867
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: I tried to reload.

868
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 5: The country was cold, with the sun westward, singing.

869
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: It's good to be back in this.

870
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 8: Place with mys around the bedge and made brown and

871
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 8: the mind on the lines of her face.

872
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: And now Danny's my buddy.

873
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 5: We got up black family. We hunted this timber before

874
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 5: we could drive in the old English poigner.

875
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 3: He wants belong to me, but I gave him out.

876
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: I moved to No.

877
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 4: Five Hap with the girl Hap to the city of Fining.

878
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 5: Game they can He'll like God and play out just

879
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: like some stories.

880
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Speaker 4: And we fairly love a rodeo day.

881
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Speaker 5: She said, gold on back Jerkee County. Won't you crawl

882
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 5: back with another butter raising and con says baby, if

883
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 5: you need me, I'll beware your family and go on.

884
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: The hell hoy I headed.

885
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Speaker 5: Then just look at old Jim a dozen decembers behind him.

886
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 5: No worse for the world, and your time has been

887
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 5: in told said not have your.

888
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: Shooting, and look at the gray and your.

889
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 4: How good doesn't feel you belong in these is its

890
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 4: best that you let it all in.

891
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 5: You married thegger you to married a family. He does

892
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 5: there bulleted my friend. She said, go on back to

893
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 5: Jerkee Cawn. Won't you cry back when another butter raisor

894
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 5: come s baby if you need me, happy.

895
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 4: Where you found me and going behead.

896
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 5: Now was beginning to deal with it, and then the

897
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 5: old dog upon it and bart of me dies. Then

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00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 5: a flutter of feathers, then a sharp.

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Speaker 4: Gun the shoulder fader for Julie. She'll be home on

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Speaker 4: fot July. Then we dance on the fo the jul.

901
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 5: Dan says, hello, shot, looks like it still got it.

902
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 3: That's what we came here to do.

903
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: Boy, it's live and not still at the foot of

904
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Speaker 1: the hill.

905
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: You could kick up a single or.

906
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 5: Two, she said, go on back to Jerkey County. Want

907
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 5: your car back with another butter raisor and calm says baby,

908
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 5: if you need me, I bey where you found.

909
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Speaker 6: Hit home.

910
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Speaker 3: A thank you. You guys are really really good at singing.

911
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: It's hard to nail down what connects us to the

912
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: music we love. Everyone is so different and there is

913
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: no standard for good music. It's uniquely calculated, not in

914
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: the head, but in the heart. Music is measured by

915
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: how it moves us, elevates us, how it reminds us

916
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Speaker 2: of what we value. It reminds us of the hard

917
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: times the good times. It reminds us of who we love.

918
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: Like riding a young cult, music momentarily extracts us from reality,

919
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: demanding all of our attention, elevating us to our best self.

920
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 2: Good music makes us feel like someone has written a

921
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: soundtrack for our life. It reminds us of something familiar.

922
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 2: It brings nobility to the mundaneness of the gift of

923
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: normal life. The fruit of good music is simple and childlike,

924
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: kind of like a nice ride on a good horse

925
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: through open country. I can't thank you enough for listening

926
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Speaker 2: to this Bear Grease Feed with Old Brent's This Country

927
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Speaker 2: Life podcast and Lakes Backwoods University. Keep the Wild Places Wild,

928
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Speaker 2: because that's where the bears live. Tell me about your

929
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: life here in Oklahoma.

930
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: When I moved down to Texas, you know, I started

931
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: getting really interested in ranching, getting really interested in cattle.

932
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: My buddy let me run some cows down there on

933
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: his place and help out with his And then I

934
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: started from there. You know, we were talking about I'd

935
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: just gotten sober, and so I had this like this

936
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: blessing of having this sort of free time to learn

937
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: like all this stuff that I had been missing out

938
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: because it was stuff that I would have been too

939
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: scared to do or too drunk to do or whatever.

940
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: And I had this whole like sort of renaissance period

941
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: of just like learning all this stuff about catt doogs,

942
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff about horses, riding, running cattle. I mean,

943
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: life in general. I was back to sort of being

944
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: a regular dude. Nobody gave a shit about my music.

945
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: I didn't stand out in any situation. I was very

946
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: much humbled, regular guy, you know. And so it rocked

947
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: on there and I stayed obsessed with it. I kept

948
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: doing kept doing stuff, kept learning stuff, and we had

949
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: our we found out we're going to have our second baby.

950
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: And that's like some of the happiest I've ever been

951
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: in my entire life, was living down there, and I

952
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: didn't never want to leave, but I knew that my

953
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: mom and dad weren't going to get to know our kids.

954
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: You know, we were kind of being selfish being that

955
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: far away from everybody, and you know, Stacy's parents would wouldn't.

956
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: Really get to know them either.

957
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: So this place came up for sale and we threw

958
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: everything we could together and got it together. Wasn't any

959
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: stitch a fence on it, hardly, and got it to

960
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: where we could run some cows.

961
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: I had cattle down there.

962
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: We moved everything, moved, moved moved livestock and went from

963
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, running just a few heads to turn it

964
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: into kind of a functioning kind of operation. I mean,

965
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: it's still got a long way to go, but we

966
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: do everything we can with horses and dogs, and you know,

967
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: it's it's something that keeps me busy all the time.

968
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: You know, there's always something to do, and that for

969
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: me is a good thing to like have this stuff.

970
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm really I'm really, like really proud of it.

971
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: My kids will get to spend a lot out of

972
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: time out here horseback if they want.

973
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 2: To, and this is a good part of the world

974
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: to be a cowboy.

975
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not bad.