Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh, I see you my own and
Speaker 1: look over there. How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, Dan
Speaker 1: don less culturesta calling. I you know what, I was
Speaker 1: gonna just come in hot with this breaking news. You
Speaker 1: know what you're going to talk about Sesame Street. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into it later. It might be my
Speaker 1: own thing. I actually want to say something right up top. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's time might come clean about So there's a story
Speaker 1: out which is the Sesame Street. You know, the writers,
Speaker 1: the producers, they all come out to say that Burton
Speaker 1: Ernie are not gay. The Sesame Workshop has released his
Speaker 1: statements saying that they are not gay. They are best friends.
Speaker 1: But the writer, the creator of Burton Ernie um a
Speaker 1: gay man sort of said in an interview with Queer Ta,
Speaker 1: I believe that when he was writing, when he was
Speaker 1: conceiving them of them, that he had no other way
Speaker 1: to view them. But as a couple, I have hooked
Speaker 1: up with Burt consistently since I moved to New York City,
Speaker 1: and I am willing to take a polygraph to that
Speaker 1: at Bert I will share this. His penis is shaped
Speaker 1: like a mushroom toadstool. Oh, we're really not unlike synthesizing
Speaker 1: news stories today, truly we are and I'm like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to take a polygraph. I just think visibility
Speaker 1: is so important. And a lot of people have been
Speaker 1: asking me what I would say to Ernie. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I would say. I don't know him, but
Speaker 1: this is but this is I don't know what the
Speaker 1: nature of the relationship is. I just know what my
Speaker 1: nature of with my relationship with Burt was. He's my
Speaker 1: lover and it's been like that for ten years. So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but it's it's really about truth and people
Speaker 1: understanding the truth. I am the Stormy Daniels of the
Speaker 1: Sesame Street universe, and I will burn this to the ground. Actually,
Speaker 1: this is the thing about this is this The thing
Speaker 1: that I have an issue with with the Sesame work,
Speaker 1: with Sesame Workshop statement is that they ended by saying
Speaker 1: they share they identify as male, they share many qualities
Speaker 1: with human as humans that humans have um but they
Speaker 1: are puppets and therefore do not have a sexual orientation.
Speaker 1: But then can be autistic. Puppets can be bitches, and
Speaker 1: dumpsters can be you know, birds can be walking around.
Speaker 1: It can be like Puerto weekend like whatever. Like they
Speaker 1: have race, they have mental, they can have every quality
Speaker 1: except not a sexual orientation. Interesting, and I'm here to
Speaker 1: say I'm so sorry that is Actually it might hurt
Speaker 1: a lot of people, but it's Ara. And then you
Speaker 1: know that we love to come out and scream erasure. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we will continue to do that. And I, as
Speaker 1: the Stormy Daniels of the Sesame Street Universe, will continue
Speaker 1: to blow the whistle on this. And you will see
Speaker 1: me on television and on red carpets with my lawyer
Speaker 1: presidential hopeful Michael Abanati, who could break my arm. Sexually,
Speaker 1: I'm into it all right, Um, we don't have the
Speaker 1: time to impact all of that. I'm sexually into Avanati.
Speaker 1: Um okay, and uh, what's that. I don't know how
Speaker 1: our guests is going to feel about the title of
Speaker 1: this EPP being I'm sexually but we'll find out. I
Speaker 1: would let's let's let's try to center on on his experience.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm just so emotional about today. So emotional. Okay.
Speaker 1: Our guest is a really really, really great This is
Speaker 1: a big big get funny man and like truly legs
Speaker 1: and dairy legend, dairy you know what I'm saying. Would
Speaker 1: you go to big terrific shows back in the day.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, so him gave Leeman Jenny's slate, like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, one triumvirate. Truly, like in my conception, I'm
Speaker 1: a little zigo, like the first great Brooklyn show that
Speaker 1: like like came to my mind like that like Crops
Speaker 1: that like came on my dumb little radar back when
Speaker 1: I was like twenty in this stupid town. But it
Speaker 1: was I very much enjoyed the Comedy Lineup special. Oh
Speaker 1: and the Comedy Line Up special on Netflix. Maybe the
Speaker 1: quartadater space is open it up. He's the quarter hour
Speaker 1: space is really opening up, but in the digital space.
Speaker 1: But I have to talk to him about some stuff
Speaker 1: that he covers that you're because he's here. He's here.
Speaker 1: We have to talk to him to talk about the school. Um,
Speaker 1: the school that he talks and I always think about
Speaker 1: that that's school and that was brave to cover all this.
Speaker 1: Thank god, he's a game. We can talk to him
Speaker 1: about it. And he's a writer for the amazing show
Speaker 1: Big Mouth A season two drops October, the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is really kind of kind of Tago war from
Speaker 1: my attention on that, You're like, oh, do I go
Speaker 1: for Bradley and Gaga or Millennium and truly the the
Speaker 1: the Bradley and Gaga of the of the ligital space,
Speaker 1: digital space. Um, he's so funny, he's so great, he's
Speaker 1: just really the best person. Cut cutie. Everyone, Welcome into
Speaker 1: your years, Max. Wow, thank you guys. That was a
Speaker 1: really really wonderful intro. You know, that's we we here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Just to make it clear, I liked I
Speaker 1: like my arm being broken sexually, so that is helpful,
Speaker 1: right from Yeah, he's the type I would like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you were to swing that way, yeah, it would
Speaker 1: be you'd be an avanti gay. Oh. I don't think
Speaker 1: of it as like, okay, yeah, being gendered or any
Speaker 1: kind of binary. It's more just like, whoever is going
Speaker 1: to break my arm sexually needs to be strong enough
Speaker 1: to do it. It It does seem like he could seem
Speaker 1: like the Sesame Street. It doesn't matter what's going on
Speaker 1: below the weights. It's just about that he physically has
Speaker 1: the power to break the bone and muscle. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so much sin you it's like difficult. There's a
Speaker 1: reason we don't just fall and break all the time.
Speaker 1: There's so much you're talking about your own sinor yeah,
Speaker 1: all of if you've ever just like asked a friend
Speaker 1: like break my arm, Like even if they're trying, he
Speaker 1: looks like guess, And maybe that's what we need in
Speaker 1: someone that's going to head up against Trump. And I
Speaker 1: know it's too early talking about guys. The mid terms
Speaker 1: right around the corner. Oh my god, fifty days now
Speaker 1: less when this one comes. I'm doing a weird d
Speaker 1: register campaign right now, which among people in my community,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, the roles are too big, you know,
Speaker 1: unless you've really thought it through, get off those and mail.
Speaker 1: It's more about the environment, and so where where are
Speaker 1: you doing this stuff Florida? Like what like taxes? That'd
Speaker 1: be smart to actually do it on the ground. I'm
Speaker 1: more just like I'm reaching out to people over d
Speaker 1: M and being like, are you registered to vote on register?
Speaker 1: Here's the link to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: if you, if you, and then and then it's like
Speaker 1: a sort of like a not a pyramid thing, but
Speaker 1: it's like you tell them to go to five people,
Speaker 1: and the truth is is like if you know, um,
Speaker 1: very little information about someone, you can just de register
Speaker 1: them on your own. I mean, you know, like if
Speaker 1: you like look at someone's mail, you have most of
Speaker 1: what you need. You listen to podcast, I probably know
Speaker 1: all your security words. Anyone out there could do you
Speaker 1: register us? No, I'm certain that you could steal my identity.
Speaker 1: I'm certain of it. You know what truly happened the
Speaker 1: other day, I want to go cast my vote for
Speaker 1: Miss Cynthia. That it didn't go our away. Didn't go
Speaker 1: our away. Um. By the way, that's what my mom
Speaker 1: texted me the day after the Electuly. She said, well,
Speaker 1: that didn't go our way, but no one asked for
Speaker 1: my ID. Really, no, I know they've been that's not
Speaker 1: I also heard that a lot from people. It's a fame.
Speaker 1: The General's people. People in your district are like so
Speaker 1: I think are They were like, um, yeah, we know
Speaker 1: who you are. Oh my god. People volunteering. I'm sure right, Um.
Speaker 1: But the thing is I was like this is crazy,
Speaker 1: and then a dark thought ran through my mind. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like I could go to so I could
Speaker 1: just be like, my name is um and just know
Speaker 1: my friends that aren't like growing kind of scoop, right,
Speaker 1: in there vote twice. You have all your various wigs
Speaker 1: and costumes on like a like a you know, like
Speaker 1: a thing you're pulling in like a big chest on
Speaker 1: wheels or whatever. You're like, I gotta run outside for
Speaker 1: a second. Yeah, A lot of my wigs are like
Speaker 1: kind of red and curly. People like, oh, wow, Benda,
Speaker 1: you haven't wrote it in so long. We're so happy
Speaker 1: to have you back here. You are registered in South
Speaker 1: Slope I and technically committing voter fraud. I will say,
Speaker 1: how is that. I will just confess it on the
Speaker 1: pod on the record, and I will just change this.
Speaker 1: But I'm registered in Colorado. I pay my taxes here.
Speaker 1: It's it's voter fron California voter. I am a California voter,
Speaker 1: which is you know, there's a rule following part of
Speaker 1: me that was just like, well, I want to get
Speaker 1: a Actually it's because I wanted to get a marijuana cart,
Speaker 1: so I had to change my d m V stuff.
Speaker 1: So I was like, well in New York, it's just
Speaker 1: as useless in l A. But um, my partner of
Speaker 1: many years, like, she has family in San Diego that
Speaker 1: is like, and I'm like, oh, we should we're there
Speaker 1: a lot, were there enough that it would not be fraudulent,
Speaker 1: like like it's her parents spent half the year there
Speaker 1: and we're there a lot, and it's just like I
Speaker 1: should do. That's just as much as being like I
Speaker 1: never unregistered from my college town or whatever, like, just
Speaker 1: to actually have a vote that matters. So the point
Speaker 1: is if you are registered, get off those roles. It's
Speaker 1: it takes five seconds registered? Do you registered to vote? Um,
Speaker 1: I know someone that just reregistered in Michigan. That's all
Speaker 1: I'll say about that. I think I know who this is,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a smart strategic move. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't live there. But there's very much not living there,
Speaker 1: all right. But we have to fight fire with fire.
Speaker 1: In fact, that's what Michael Avanadi said. That might be
Speaker 1: his campaign slogan, no joke, fight fire with fire. Otherwise
Speaker 1: they're going to break your arm and you're not gonna
Speaker 1: like it as much. And I always say that I
Speaker 1: saw Darren Chris in his suit last night on the
Speaker 1: Emmy's I said, I'd let that man break my arm,
Speaker 1: you know, like give him an extra Emmy for the
Speaker 1: performative heterosexuality. I think he I think he's the real deal.
Speaker 1: I had a barbecue at my house and I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of his work and I loved American Horror Story. Um.
Speaker 1: He a friend that came invited him. It was the
Speaker 1: day after he'd gotten the Emmy nomination. I think they
Speaker 1: they'd had a bit of a party the night before,
Speaker 1: like a surprise thing for him, but because it was
Speaker 1: a party, they didn't eat the cake that was made
Speaker 1: for his uh, that his like wife got for him.
Speaker 1: And so just in this last minute invite to come
Speaker 1: to this barbecue at my house, they brought the cake
Speaker 1: and they were being silly about it and embarrassed, but
Speaker 1: ultimately did put down with like a handful of homemade
Speaker 1: complers a cake that said like congratulations on your Emmy.
Speaker 1: No, no no, Darren, like my barbecue. Yes, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: my birthday or anything, but it was just like this
Speaker 1: beautiful like Matt chocolate. It was like a gorgeous cake
Speaker 1: but next to like you know, stuff that friends and
Speaker 1: I had cooked. And it was appreciated, but also like
Speaker 1: they suddenly got embarrassed and we're like should we wipe
Speaker 1: the words off? And I was like that feels you
Speaker 1: don't have to do that, but then they did. They
Speaker 1: felt so bad because they didn't want to be It
Speaker 1: was just like, we have a full cake. Straight It
Speaker 1: would have been way more queer and radical to just
Speaker 1: lay that cake on the table and be like, this
Speaker 1: is my party. Now, I take it back, I take
Speaker 1: it back. He seems um. I loved his sou and
Speaker 1: I was like, but he was very you have a
Speaker 1: fly suit. A straight man who wears that kind of
Speaker 1: suit is too much of an ally and there might
Speaker 1: be such a thing. But the suit of the night
Speaker 1: was your friend John Malanya Emmy winner John mulaney, can
Speaker 1: be unbelievable. That light blue suit. That was? That was
Speaker 1: that was. I always say if I ever go to
Speaker 1: the Emmy's I'm wearing a color. Yeah, I'm wearing a
Speaker 1: canary yellow. And I think it's hard for like kind
Speaker 1: of like boring ish white guys to pull off color
Speaker 1: without seeming yeah ironic or like, oh, like, he looked good.
Speaker 1: I thought it looked classy, not just like transgressive or whatever. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like in the past few years he is
Speaker 1: up to the glam factor in a major way. Someone's
Speaker 1: styling kid gorgeous, kid gorgeous? Is that Karat is that
Speaker 1: the doing of Kara Maslin. It might be Kara Maslin
Speaker 1: got a shout out. Kara Maslin's and our sister, Our
Speaker 1: sister are What I loved about his speech is that
Speaker 1: he thinked the assistance and they and I got an
Speaker 1: applause break. Huge deal, um Max, we have to talk
Speaker 1: about the school. First of all, everyone should listen to.
Speaker 1: Everyone should listen watch. You could listen to what you
Speaker 1: could watch it. It's a it's an audio visual experience.
Speaker 1: I think Netflix stuff. They don't. They should advertise more.
Speaker 1: Just put it on while you drive, as long as
Speaker 1: you don't lock the screen. It's like there's some act outs,
Speaker 1: but you'll get it. You're not staring at the TV
Speaker 1: at home now. But it's it's noise. You know, you
Speaker 1: have your car iPad, you put in your headphones, you
Speaker 1: throw it on the passenger sides, you know for footwell,
Speaker 1: that feels right. Yeah, a lot of ways to enjoy
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Speaker 1: she's gonna she's gonna love that. He's gonna text us immediately.
Speaker 1: I see Max can read ad copy better than we can. Ye, honestly,
Speaker 1: you want to be improvised it. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: it used to be a bad TV host, you know
Speaker 1: I can. What did you host on the television? Was?
Speaker 1: It was a cooking show. I had three food shows,
Speaker 1: all failed after one season very quickly. Let let's let's
Speaker 1: run through them, because because I I needed I need
Speaker 1: a little because I'm fascinated. Um, and let's let's first
Speaker 1: acknowledge that this is brave for me to acknowledge this.
Speaker 1: I've been obviously spent years trying to rebrain it, get
Speaker 1: people like you younger up and you know, like the future,
Speaker 1: to forget that. That was sort of my path. I
Speaker 1: had a show with Gail Simmons and Marcus Marcus Samuelson,
Speaker 1: like a talk show thing called The Feed. The Feed,
Speaker 1: that's a great title thing. It was kind of like
Speaker 1: top Gear, which I also don't watch, but about food
Speaker 1: instead of cars. Uh. You know that audience is almost
Speaker 1: too obvious. It's like they're all right here, you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I did a show that was kind of
Speaker 1: like the amazing Race meets Chopped that was like dangerous
Speaker 1: it was called pressure Cooker and couples. God, I've done.
Speaker 1: Do they run with cutlery? Kind of yeah, yeah, culture
Speaker 1: number six you cannot run with cutlery, You're gonna stab
Speaker 1: an eye out, which would have made for good television.
Speaker 1: More people would have watched the episode where they had
Speaker 1: to like have v O at the end explaining why
Speaker 1: there's no footage. But no, the idea was like a
Speaker 1: couples like brothers, sister, husband, wife, etcetera. One who's a
Speaker 1: professional cook, one who's bad. Three teams would be dropped
Speaker 1: in a state they've never been in. Um. They would
Speaker 1: get like clues basically to um where grocery stores were.
Speaker 1: They weren't allowed to use GPS, only had to flip phone,
Speaker 1: so half of the show was kind of like a
Speaker 1: you know, like the like weird uh. They'd be trying
Speaker 1: to get to some grocery store, but then like a
Speaker 1: herd of sheep would cross the road and they're like honey,
Speaker 1: and they'd be fighting. And then they got the grocery
Speaker 1: store and they're like, we're only liquor store and they're
Speaker 1: like we only have twenty minutes to get and then
Speaker 1: the and then it was outdoor cooking for the second
Speaker 1: half in the vista of like we did Portland, Maine, Philly.
Speaker 1: It was like then localized. I mean it was crazy.
Speaker 1: That's incredibly you need so many skills to be good
Speaker 1: at that. Oh my god. Yeah. And then I did
Speaker 1: a show on Bravo called Recipe for Deception that was
Speaker 1: even more complicated. What's the deception? Okay, yeah, what is this?
Speaker 1: So it was kind of like chopped and that you had,
Speaker 1: like I guess it was four shift was like one
Speaker 1: on one, one on one, and then the winners would
Speaker 1: face off, so three rounds each had to make a
Speaker 1: dish with a secret ingredient. The trick was they didn't
Speaker 1: know their own secret ingredient, but the other chef did,
Speaker 1: so they were allowed at the top of the show
Speaker 1: to ask three questions of the other chef yes or
Speaker 1: no questions to narrow down their secret ingredient, and that
Speaker 1: chef answered with two truths in a lie. Jesus. It
Speaker 1: was like you needed to paper. It was a mob
Speaker 1: a mobius strip of a reality. I had to do
Speaker 1: so much a d R trying like as they tried
Speaker 1: to piece the story of each thing because they'd be
Speaker 1: like so like the whole show is that weird, hushed
Speaker 1: padma Top Chef style like a d R done years later. Uh,
Speaker 1: just me being like, so right now Doug is trying
Speaker 1: to cook a shrimp dish, but he misunderstand the clue.
Speaker 1: That was the lie lie clue. His ingredient is actually marshmallow.
Speaker 1: He's got nothing sweet going. I like it was the same,
Speaker 1: Agree it was. It was a lot and then like
Speaker 1: at ten minutes they got to ask one more question
Speaker 1: if they got it right, if they guessed it with
Speaker 1: this a lie. They then got to ask a fourth question.
Speaker 1: It was it was a little bit doomed, just fun
Speaker 1: to make, manifold. Are you a food show fan? Now?
Speaker 1: You know? Um, that stuff came out of me, like
Speaker 1: writing Eater and grant Land recaps of shows for many
Speaker 1: many years, and I think all that time spent watching
Speaker 1: and having to be like, you know, look for the moment,
Speaker 1: find the animated Jeff or whatever. Um. After those shows,
Speaker 1: I like, I have not watched any of them, but
Speaker 1: not out of any like I'm above it or beyond it,
Speaker 1: just being like I can't jump back into Top Chef.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good show. But yeah, yeah, totally
Speaker 1: I have to say, I have a blind spot for
Speaker 1: like food show same. I try to watch Nail Did,
Speaker 1: but I feel that the stakes are I know that
Speaker 1: the whole point is that like it's it's their stakes
Speaker 1: aren't there. But and I do love Nicole. That was
Speaker 1: also my fourth show The stakes aren't there, which is people.
Speaker 1: It was like a butchery cut off, but they didn't
Speaker 1: know where their stakes were, so they would have to
Speaker 1: follow a map that was only half real. Live stare there.
Speaker 1: And so someone would say that in every episode organically
Speaker 1: they would be would it would be like a plate
Speaker 1: and they revealed the plate and the stakes wouldn't be
Speaker 1: there and there, and then the show would begin, and
Speaker 1: then I will say that, um, speaking of stakes, A
Speaker 1: Great British Bakeoff has turned me around. I watched that
Speaker 1: religiously now because it's sort of like diametrically opposite from
Speaker 1: what we're used to. It's just so it's so genteel
Speaker 1: and it's so like lovely. And I used the acronym
Speaker 1: incorrectly all the time, I'm sure, but it's a like
Speaker 1: a SMR, you know. Like we literally in our new apartment,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and I like we were like, we're not
Speaker 1: going to have a TV in the bedroom. We used
Speaker 1: to we watched too much TV in the bedroom, but
Speaker 1: we put one back on the dresser just for ten
Speaker 1: minutes of Great British Bakeoff before bed. It is the
Speaker 1: most soothing tonight cap It's a it's a fun little
Speaker 1: I think what's missing from Great British Bake Off from
Speaker 1: me is the cutthroat, bitchy quality that I need, which
Speaker 1: is why I think I'd like Top Chef. You're never
Speaker 1: going to get that from g BB. No, I'm not,
Speaker 1: I know, but like I didn't think I was gonna
Speaker 1: like Project Runway, and then I started watching Project Runway
Speaker 1: and I loved it because they're truly nasty, right, But
Speaker 1: Padma's Padma's fantastic. I haven't seen that much. Top Chef
Speaker 1: either was wonderful. She's really really Yeah. I got to
Speaker 1: meet her and hang out with her once, since she
Speaker 1: was everything I wanted her. What happened was is that like,
Speaker 1: uh they I got to guest judge on an episode
Speaker 1: of Top Chef, like kind of his cross promotion from
Speaker 1: my yes, so um, someone in the Bravo marketing department
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we've got you there where we're
Speaker 1: filming for the day, we should do like kind of
Speaker 1: a web you know, like, well, let's do this thing
Speaker 1: where you maybe do like a funny kind of sketch
Speaker 1: with Padmo. You know, we have her for twenty minutes
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, So, before I even pitched anything out there,
Speaker 1: like and just you know, some ground rules with Padma,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like obviously she loves to great
Speaker 1: sense of humor about herself, loves to have fun, you know,
Speaker 1: like she's up for anything, though, you know, no jokes
Speaker 1: that makes it seem like she doesn't know about food. Uh,
Speaker 1: no jokes that undercut this nothing that points out like
Speaker 1: it was kind of an intense, like calculated like don't
Speaker 1: do that. But then the idea I pitched was like, well,
Speaker 1: I am genuinely in awe of her and not as
Speaker 1: experienced as her. Why don't we do a thing where
Speaker 1: I play up being like a nervous new food host
Speaker 1: interviewing the queen, and just like I can just be
Speaker 1: kind of bad at it, and she can be a
Speaker 1: little like condescending and her and they're like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: totally gonna tell her about that, Like that'll be great,
Speaker 1: and like it seems easy. She can just lean into
Speaker 1: what she does and I can do whatever. So we're
Speaker 1: placed in this tiny, little unair conditioned green room like
Speaker 1: that clearly interrupts her hair and makeup for the real
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm doing a favor for the like
Speaker 1: Bravo Web department, but obviously yeah yeah. And she's sitting
Speaker 1: there and like her, you know, like hair and makeup
Speaker 1: birds are flooding around, and I'm just like, no, it's fine,
Speaker 1: I'll sweat through this suit. I don't care at all. Genuinely,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there kind of almost like knee to knee
Speaker 1: with her because it's like a tight one camera, two
Speaker 1: shot or whatever, and no one really introduces me or
Speaker 1: someone's like, uh, patma, this is Max. He's he's he's
Speaker 1: gonna be judged it, but he's also he's hosting Recipe
Speaker 1: for Deception. She just kind of does like a nod
Speaker 1: and looks at me, clearly not prepped, not ready to
Speaker 1: do the sketch, and so off camera. Um, she's like
Speaker 1: looking at me and she's like, so, like, so, what
Speaker 1: is what is your show that you're hosting? And I say, well,
Speaker 1: it's called Recipe for Deception. It's it's gonna be on
Speaker 1: after Top Chef this this coming season. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's a it's a food competition show. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like yours, it's not Top Chef. It's kind
Speaker 1: of more like Chopped, kind of like one offs. And
Speaker 1: she's like, I've never seen Chopped such a neverent way,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yes, of course, I guess what
Speaker 1: I mean is it's not a King of the Hill.
Speaker 1: Is just there's four chefs, and the thing is they
Speaker 1: don't know their secret. And she's just staring at me
Speaker 1: like unblinking, you know, statuesque as I just like bluff
Speaker 1: burr and fast talk and like blank blank blank blank.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so anyway, they're really getting away from you.
Speaker 1: And You're like, I'm totally. I'm like, so, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't know, but it's kind of fun and they lie,
Speaker 1: and so there's a little bit of pustling and uh
Speaker 1: and she's just just like, you know, if you're going
Speaker 1: to be hosting the show, a lot of people are
Speaker 1: going to be asking you what the show is about,
Speaker 1: so you should probably get good at answering that question
Speaker 1: in under twenty seconds and then looks away from me
Speaker 1: and the producers just like, yeah, that's the energy we
Speaker 1: were thinking Padbot, like perfect, perfect whole interview when it's
Speaker 1: just me motor mouthing. The thing is, I've there. I
Speaker 1: have one experience, um where somebody I think they didn't
Speaker 1: mean anything by it, but shook me to my car,
Speaker 1: which was my Seinfeld experience. I booked a thing Comedians
Speaker 1: and Cars like years ago, where I played um, Jerry
Speaker 1: Seinfeld and Michael Richards Michael Richard's assistant and so Jerry,
Speaker 1: I guess you're crumbling down all my beliefs about the
Speaker 1: veracity of comedians and cars. Jerry, I guess, doesn't shake hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I went up to shake his hand because he
Speaker 1: actually had cast me for the part like he was
Speaker 1: when I when I auditioned, Like no one knew that
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. It's like for this tiny part like
Speaker 1: thing Crack days right well back when they were doing
Speaker 1: like sketch and Michael Richards was like he played like
Speaker 1: the head of Crackle. That was the whole thing, Okay,
Speaker 1: And so basically what happened was I'm there on set
Speaker 1: and I'm excited. It's the first thing I've ever booked
Speaker 1: and it's Seinfeld and so I booked it in the room,
Speaker 1: I mean he chose me. And then then he called
Speaker 1: me and he was like, Matt, come in here. I
Speaker 1: was like, he knows my name. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: go up and it's him and it's like, um, this
Speaker 1: like a guy who's like his head writer. And I
Speaker 1: go to shake his hand and I say, this is so,
Speaker 1: this is such an honor, thank you so much. He goes,
Speaker 1: I don't shake hands, and I was like okay. And
Speaker 1: then I was he goes, this is my head writer.
Speaker 1: This is so and so. And I go to shake
Speaker 1: his hand and he goes, I don't shake hands either,
Speaker 1: and I go oh for two. And they cocked their
Speaker 1: head and they were like, well, this is gonna be great.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, hadn't shot one thing, and
Speaker 1: I was like ruined that man. My energy in those
Speaker 1: situations is I would be like, well, I ope, you're
Speaker 1: a hugger. You know. I'm always over, Like when I
Speaker 1: sense a waiter not liking like light bits at the
Speaker 1: top of the I'm just like, well, I'm I'm doubling down,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to have like a whole routine of
Speaker 1: where the menus are like it's as she just loses
Speaker 1: patience and I just keep like getting sweatier and like
Speaker 1: my collar getting looser or whatever I've taken as well,
Speaker 1: What do you have any experience with the celebrity where
Speaker 1: you were like, throw you you have to see a
Speaker 1: lot of celebs. But what are my experiences? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Here's a good one we can share, Okay, what So
Speaker 1: we did Vulture Festival. We were like hosting at Vulture Festival.
Speaker 1: We were doing like the press room and Julianna Margharie
Speaker 1: and the publicist runs in and she's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what this is. But Juliette coming in and you know,
Speaker 1: she's Julianna Margolis, Like she doesn't do like this. She
Speaker 1: was like, she's like what if you guys have planned,
Speaker 1: she's probably not gonna be game to do it. Just
Speaker 1: just forget about it. And she's really cold, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's really cold in this place, and she's freezing. She's freezing.
Speaker 1: She has prepared answers about process and we were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. We were in these ridiculous suits, were
Speaker 1: like not journalists were like, oh my god, it's like
Speaker 1: Vulture fest, like right, the RuPaul's drag Riss recaps, that's
Speaker 1: the only reason. First move is to touch everyone's hair,
Speaker 1: like literally like we had just done something with Jonathan
Speaker 1: Jonathan van Ness where we were just like screaming, like screaming,
Speaker 1: and then Julianna comes in and we were so terrified.
Speaker 1: It was Marty Well, first it was Marty Knox in yes,
Speaker 1: who was a queen legend. And then um, oh may
Speaker 1: may something that actress in Dietland. Yes, fantastic, So it
Speaker 1: was it was for some Dietland pressed thing. So Marty
Speaker 1: and this actress come in and then Julianna comes in
Speaker 1: just clenched at her biceps, just like it's so so
Speaker 1: cold in this room? Is is it gonna be as
Speaker 1: cold and this from as it is in the other room,
Speaker 1: And we were like, oh my god, no, this is
Speaker 1: really going to happen. Were journalists were also in charge
Speaker 1: of the temperature in all these rooms, so glad you asked?
Speaker 1: So then she sits down and then like the cameras
Speaker 1: start rolling and then what do we do? I mean
Speaker 1: like this is all blurting me honest, Well, basically it
Speaker 1: was like at that point it's like, well, we're still
Speaker 1: going to be us, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: then we start playing going to suddenly I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: like I don't I wouldn't know what to ask Joanna
Speaker 1: Margarlies about her process, like we we didn't know. So
Speaker 1: we end up doing like a bit with her and
Speaker 1: she actually was gained to do it, and then so
Speaker 1: basically like by the end of it, she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like super like down the clown and like, why doesn't
Speaker 1: my team let me do more bits? And then like
Speaker 1: that that kept happening to like throughout the thing, like
Speaker 1: the publicity people would come in and they'd be like,
Speaker 1: m this is gonna be the way it is, and
Speaker 1: don't straight from it and don't ask this question. And
Speaker 1: literally one celebrity came in and we were asked explicitly
Speaker 1: while he was right there this the publicist was like,
Speaker 1: do not ask any questions about their personal life, and
Speaker 1: he made a face at me like I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I mean of course we would.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, publicists are often those people's worst
Speaker 1: enemy of like they're being they're making everyone hate that
Speaker 1: person on their back. But it's like about the publicist thing.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's probably there's some actors that
Speaker 1: are like, I mean, it's just so fun comedians, I'd
Speaker 1: love to do bits and then like having the past
Speaker 1: done the like Liam Neeson and that Ricky Gervais show
Speaker 1: where he's like wants to do an improv and just
Speaker 1: like keep saying as full blown age. There's clearly actors
Speaker 1: who like should be protected from riffing off the top
Speaker 1: of their head where the publicist is like, you were
Speaker 1: going to say such a horrible thing if you're allowed.
Speaker 1: And then but by the end of the Julianna interview,
Speaker 1: she came over does and she said, quote, well, you
Speaker 1: two are a hoot and holler. And then she said
Speaker 1: she said to me and she goes, you know, you
Speaker 1: could be Matt Bohmer's little brother. And I was like wow.
Speaker 1: I literally looked her in the eyes and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the best thing anyone's ever said to me. She
Speaker 1: was like very kind. And but that's the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's like you don't know who's who's telling the truth there.
Speaker 1: It's it's a weird situation because it's like the publicists
Speaker 1: probably has been told by the celebrity before, like how
Speaker 1: dare you let me do that? But also you know
Speaker 1: they're overcompensating because they don't want to be put in
Speaker 1: that situation. I always think every like I watched all
Speaker 1: of the Good Wife really like Julianna Margarlie, She's amazing.
Speaker 1: But I remember reading a thing um probably on Vulture
Speaker 1: that like uh Les moon viz r I P thank
Speaker 1: god had had. I guess the only way Julianna link
Speaker 1: was is it Julianna Julianna, Juliana, Julianna Julianna. The only
Speaker 1: way she was willing to do The Good Wife after
Speaker 1: obviously being doing the grind of an hour drama for
Speaker 1: so many years and she didn't want to get back
Speaker 1: on those waters is she's like, I'm not gonna straighten
Speaker 1: my hair and do hours in the chair to play
Speaker 1: this like waspy, like whatever's wife. So she's like, if
Speaker 1: we can figure out a wig situation and didn't like her,
Speaker 1: you know, her hair the whole time. It's like a
Speaker 1: very expensive wig. So she could go up and plug
Speaker 1: it in and save herself like you know, over the
Speaker 1: eight seasons, but that it was like such a success
Speaker 1: to convince like this lead nervous about the TV that
Speaker 1: we like that wigs or the future that Les Moon
Speaker 1: Viz would like farm out Julianna Margati's to like sit
Speaker 1: down with other actresses nervous about doing TV or taking
Speaker 1: weird character swings, being like, no, no, you can do
Speaker 1: it in a wig. Like Julianna will have like show
Speaker 1: and she would she be like, I'd love to talk
Speaker 1: to other actors about how great it is to just
Speaker 1: wear a wig every days. But I just what used
Speaker 1: to like imagine these like weird generals or whatever at
Speaker 1: the self Beverly Grill just being like, you know, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's crazy. Your kids go to cross roads
Speaker 1: and like, oh we thought it anyway, bigs Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do the Artichok tips of wigs. You know, like,
Speaker 1: what is your experience in the past been with the whigs?
Speaker 1: Because the technology is whatever, That technology is crazy. It's
Speaker 1: moving quickly. Because now I'm trying to think back to
Speaker 1: the Good Wife and think, was there ever a time
Speaker 1: when she was I was like that, when it was
Speaker 1: like pulled back or something. Yeah, your kids going to
Speaker 1: cross roads? My god. And the thing is I'm happy
Speaker 1: you brought up Less Moon Vez because I've been waiting
Speaker 1: to talk about this on the pod. So Julie Chen
Speaker 1: is going to leave the talk. Just saw that headline today, right.
Speaker 1: We're triumphant about it because she came after us. She
Speaker 1: came after us because at that very same Vulture Festival,
Speaker 1: we interviewed Tracy Morgan and maybe you don't remember this,
Speaker 1: but there was that weird thing about Tracy Morgan's talking
Speaker 1: about Tiffany Hattish like that, but they worked together, yes,
Speaker 1: And so we we were doing and we didn't even
Speaker 1: know Tracy was coming, and no Harry publicist ran in
Speaker 1: and said, we were told all day Tracy is not
Speaker 1: doing this room. Were like, great, and was he doing
Speaker 1: press for? And so then he finally comes in and
Speaker 1: then he sits down and he's giving us great vibes,
Speaker 1: and then like we start the interview. And then the
Speaker 1: first thing we asked him is, uh, congrats on the
Speaker 1: lasto G. How does it feel to be working with
Speaker 1: all these great actors um like Tiffany Harnish And then
Speaker 1: he goes, we're not going to talk about her. He
Speaker 1: said that, Yeah, he said that, And then but then
Speaker 1: it became this thing that he became this longer meditation
Speaker 1: about how it takes so many people to make a
Speaker 1: successful TV show, and he's memorized every crew member's names,
Speaker 1: and it was a beautiful sort of he was on
Speaker 1: that if you're going to ask about Tiffany, asked about said,
Speaker 1: ask about the crew, asked about craft services, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I know all their names, and so I'm thinking, like
Speaker 1: we're doing a little bit of a bit now, but
Speaker 1: he's hard to read. So then the way it was
Speaker 1: edited down and the way it got picked up in
Speaker 1: the media was like Tracy Morgan talk about Tiffany Haddish.
Speaker 1: So they planned on the talk and Miss Julie Chen says,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Julie. Sorry, Julie invest signing off confidently standing
Speaker 1: with her abuser husband important to nail this home is
Speaker 1: the real big brother. So Julie Chen Moonves says, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was really kind of disrespectful of the
Speaker 1: interviewers to ask a question about the co star when
Speaker 1: the star of the show was sitting right there. When meanwhile,
Speaker 1: a to act like she's never asked someone about their
Speaker 1: co star and her entire journalistic career is truly insane
Speaker 1: and be the whole point of what he was saying
Speaker 1: was shine a light on other people, all the stars.
Speaker 1: So it was truly insane. So like Julie Chen Moonvez's
Speaker 1: downfall is one that we are we're we're just fine with,
Speaker 1: We're just fine with. I mean, yeah, he's the Howard
Speaker 1: stuff today was interesting Howard Howard sting that came after
Speaker 1: and after and both of them. I mean it it
Speaker 1: feels hard to it's hard to separate the total him
Speaker 1: when you're you know, like a badass unit. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: he was like, how are you going to leave? Like
Speaker 1: you're going to leave the talk and like where women
Speaker 1: talk about these things that to slap in the face
Speaker 1: two women, you know, to side and he was mainly
Speaker 1: saying to side with Les Moonves right now. Totally truly crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, of course, like, of course she is right.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course I think she's old school. But
Speaker 1: that's a very good wife narrative, very good wife narrative.
Speaker 1: My god, that's definitely like an easy thing to put
Speaker 1: in the like, like, well for season three, we're thinking that,
Speaker 1: you know, like just really thought it out. But how
Speaker 1: was a good show The Good Wife? Huh? So I
Speaker 1: haven't watched the new Yeah, here that's great. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: I never I never got into I'm still in the
Speaker 1: the first couple of seasons where it's still like a procedural.
Speaker 1: I still like The Good Wife. I feel like the
Speaker 1: reason it's hard to get into The Good Wife is
Speaker 1: because now you have all these prestige shows that are
Speaker 1: like twelve episodes, and The Good Wife was still harkening
Speaker 1: back to the era four episodes seasons, and it's just like, really,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't love um cooling out with comedy
Speaker 1: as far as binging goes, like, that's just like if
Speaker 1: I'm cooking or whatever, that's usually not what I want
Speaker 1: to put on. But Good Wife is a show where like,
Speaker 1: because it's twenty four episodes, because it's only semi serialized,
Speaker 1: it's not like, well, I gotta sit down and watch
Speaker 1: my homework. It's like blowing through four at a time
Speaker 1: while I'm like half paying attention. You know, I maybe
Speaker 1: have missed some scenes totally. That's interesting that you feel like,
Speaker 1: So do you feel like when you are watching comedy shows,
Speaker 1: other comedy shows that you're not working on, it feels
Speaker 1: like homework. No no, I was talking about prestige drama homework,
Speaker 1: but comedy is just it's more the serial serialized thing
Speaker 1: where I there's so much TV to watch that people
Speaker 1: will be like, well, you have to check out this
Speaker 1: comedy show, and I'll watch it and like it, but
Speaker 1: it will never occur to me to keep watching. So
Speaker 1: why I thought Search Party was so effective of just
Speaker 1: like give you the thinnest not that it's thin, but
Speaker 1: just like just a little bit of a thread that
Speaker 1: I want to watch the next one, rather than being like, okay,
Speaker 1: that felt that felt good. Anytime I do watch good comedies,
Speaker 1: I enjoy them. I just mostly I'm like, I'd rather
Speaker 1: watch this show about you know, a pile of dead
Speaker 1: British children found you know in a rectory or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't so fucking into When it was
Speaker 1: on The Killing, Oh my god, that was the thickest,
Speaker 1: darkest show you could ever imagine. It was truly like
Speaker 1: and then that show would happen because it was it
Speaker 1: was thirteen episodes whatever, they would just have three episodes
Speaker 1: were being like, oh, you know, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: when we found that like the pile of kid toes,
Speaker 1: we thought that was probably the guy that has been
Speaker 1: cutting off kids heads. It actually and that was just
Speaker 1: a separate, separate kid toe thing that's not really central
Speaker 1: as kids are alive. And and by the way, here's
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes of the mother from last season still heaving. Stop.
Speaker 1: Remember remember all the deep grief we thought we at
Speaker 1: least would move past that. We'll just come back around
Speaker 1: to scream about you know, I love that. The height
Speaker 1: it was like the first two seasons was still based
Speaker 1: on that first case of the girl, and then the
Speaker 1: third season was I think they took like a year
Speaker 1: off and then they came back and they were like
Speaker 1: the heightened was fifteen times more dead kids. It was
Speaker 1: like you thought there was just one. No bitch, we're
Speaker 1: killing a lot of kids. And we had to get
Speaker 1: a bigger back co from Oregon to come clean out
Speaker 1: the dead kids. We filled a swamp full a dead
Speaker 1: kid and some of the dead kids had kids, and
Speaker 1: like their kids are underneath. Did you watch the Killing? Now?
Speaker 1: I watched the Killing with someone I was dating, and
Speaker 1: I remember it was I guess we were in a
Speaker 1: dark place because I was dating this guy and we
Speaker 1: were watching the Killing and then like the first time
Speaker 1: we were gonna like hook up, he goes you know
Speaker 1: what album we have to listen to Adele. This this
Speaker 1: is the real thing that happened. This is a psychopath.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so our life is devastating.
Speaker 1: It didn't work out. But I mean like every time
Speaker 1: he said that he heard from a friend, it's like
Speaker 1: like that that was the good album to hook up to.
Speaker 1: Know why I did that? That is like your your
Speaker 1: Pavlov That sets the mood. Anytime it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: an album, we have to listen to Adele and you're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna take a quick shower of
Speaker 1: hand job too, don't you remember? Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: like someone yeah, wanting to get blown to, like Blue
Speaker 1: by Joanie, Like yes, put on put on de'angelo, anything else.
Speaker 1: I masturbate to bosh the show on. I don't watch it.
Speaker 1: I just need to have, you know, some saxophone sounds
Speaker 1: of him driving around away. Here's a sexy question. Music
Speaker 1: or no music during the sexy time? Oh, I've done either,
Speaker 1: but I love it. I love a good little soundtrack soundtrack.
Speaker 1: I almost never listen to music, like there's something about it.
Speaker 1: There's music on in the house, but like there's there's
Speaker 1: such an artifice not that like sex, especially in a
Speaker 1: long term relationship, doesn't have quite a bit of artifice
Speaker 1: around right anyway, But like there's such a I've always
Speaker 1: felt so self conscious about the vibe of like picking
Speaker 1: a playlist any time I would read like a New
Speaker 1: York mag sex diary or something like real thing of
Speaker 1: someone being like, oh they always had sex to like
Speaker 1: this R and B album. I'm like, you, like go
Speaker 1: to your phone and like cast it to your Apple TV,
Speaker 1: Like you know this song is a little too like
Speaker 1: bass heavy or like I just also the intensity of
Speaker 1: it can creep up on you, Like I remember my
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, like the second or third time we had
Speaker 1: sex like one plus one by Beyonce Come On, which
Speaker 1: is about being eternally in love and having like true
Speaker 1: ground swell like love making, And she's like, what should
Speaker 1: you want to hold Beyonce thing? You might do a
Speaker 1: shuffle and like like one of your own like voice memos,
Speaker 1: like there's a good bit a voiceover audition from your
Speaker 1: voice memo, just being like you whatever, like trying to
Speaker 1: like something. It's a footwell and so the footwell. It
Speaker 1: said that they were looking for naturalistic, but then the
Speaker 1: guy they went with I mean this guy's theater train.
Speaker 1: I mean he's booming here. I'm like, you're like in someone.
Speaker 1: Um wait, but that's not to say that you have experience,
Speaker 1: of course blasting the classical music. So that the Now
Speaker 1: we're going to get back to what you said, Bowen,
Speaker 1: which was about in the special, it's revealed that during
Speaker 1: during metime you had to block out the sounds of
Speaker 1: the children who went to the elementary school that you
Speaker 1: lived next. Literally, yes, that's a horrifying thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I mean, do either you guys live in Williams work. Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's the school on Metropolitan and Leonard. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like a it's a grade school. And like something
Speaker 1: I forgot with the bit is that most people that
Speaker 1: know schools and like the suburbs, like there is grass
Speaker 1: and there are like things to climb on and fields
Speaker 1: like city schools are just like sound. It's it's asphalt
Speaker 1: and like cage and brick, yeah, and traffic right there
Speaker 1: and like so this sound was that much and the
Speaker 1: kids didn't have anything to do except scream run around
Speaker 1: in a circle. Yeah exactly, just screaming each other. And
Speaker 1: like I was writing at home alone and constantly procrastinating
Speaker 1: and like ten feet away and was always I don't
Speaker 1: talk about this as much in the bit, but I
Speaker 1: like I I like, at some point, all these people
Speaker 1: that have come out as um like dark perverts in
Speaker 1: a way that's gotten I don't want to misuse a
Speaker 1: term perfect brix perversion implies a certain normally you know,
Speaker 1: but that have come out is like, oh, there's something
Speaker 1: graduated to like sexual assault or like disrespect other people.
Speaker 1: At some point, like at some point they did cross
Speaker 1: the threshold and just be like, oh the thing that
Speaker 1: I I didn't mean to jerk off in front of
Speaker 1: someone the first time that I did, but like but
Speaker 1: it didn't kind of have huge consequences and that was
Speaker 1: like definitely the best time I ever jerked out. Like
Speaker 1: that's at some point, as circumstances came together. They weren't
Speaker 1: like I imagine and I don't know and not a psychologist.
Speaker 1: They weren't born with an impulse to just be like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's specifically what it's you know, like it
Speaker 1: things happen and escalator whatever. So I weirdly like always
Speaker 1: living next with school just felt like I'm just an
Speaker 1: adult with weird thoughts, and I watch pornography and I like,
Speaker 1: but there's just innocence there and I don't know, you're
Speaker 1: giving this all the the appropriate contours, I think, so
Speaker 1: thank you for doing that. But that is crazy though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're there, and also they're the that's the loudest stage
Speaker 1: you can't and you're in your special about like it's
Speaker 1: truly just when you get to recess, you just scream
Speaker 1: and the kids just screaming, and you're in your home
Speaker 1: that you own. Yeah, and you're well within your rights
Speaker 1: to procrastinate quote unquote any time anyway you would like.
Speaker 1: If anything, they've transgressed by putting their screams into my
Speaker 1: personal space. I'm doing due diligence to keep my business
Speaker 1: out of theirs. You know. If anything, they should come
Speaker 1: knock at the door and thank me. You know what,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I want. And actually that's the thing
Speaker 1: I just discovered. That teacher knocking on my door and
Speaker 1: thanking me just as I finished is my thing. Hey,
Speaker 1: just we all very much. Yeah, it also used to
Speaker 1: be and I don't I guess it's because I would
Speaker 1: like be thinking about weird stand up premises. Well, there
Speaker 1: was children around like they always used to park busses
Speaker 1: on my street and around the corner that would have
Speaker 1: these signs in the back that said um, like printed
Speaker 1: out on paper taped to the back door window that said,
Speaker 1: um no sleeping children inside. And I think it was
Speaker 1: a thing of like just someone has checked, the bus
Speaker 1: can drive away. There's not like we know all the
Speaker 1: kids are off the bus. We don't have a situation
Speaker 1: where it's like in the heat of a depot in Queens.
Speaker 1: Just like the idea of like that was like like
Speaker 1: who would volunteer for that job? Just like I love
Speaker 1: to check check for kids. Yeah, and they're these kids
Speaker 1: are like exhausted, they haven't had breakfast. They just oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, I'll carry them out. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: trust me, trust me. I'm really good. Yeah, I'm really
Speaker 1: I can respond. Yeah. No, I'll take my shoes off
Speaker 1: before you get in the bus. So I don't wake them.
Speaker 1: You're welcome to wake them. That's actually a big part
Speaker 1: of it. No, you can't wake they're angels because then
Speaker 1: we won't know if they're sleeping. Were the sleeping So anyway,
Speaker 1: I got fired because I kept putting up a sign
Speaker 1: that said no sleeping angels, and they said, you have
Speaker 1: to say no sleeping children angels. So take yourself back
Speaker 1: to the time when you were the angel, the angelic Cheruba. Sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And now we'll ask you the question that we ask
Speaker 1: all of our guests, which is Max, what is the
Speaker 1: culture that made you say? Culture is for me? This
Speaker 1: is a piece of culture or just a larger cultural
Speaker 1: concept like the town you grew up in, or a movie,
Speaker 1: a book, a play, whatever it is that sort of
Speaker 1: set you off in this path. Um. You know, I
Speaker 1: gotta say the culture um for me, that both kind
Speaker 1: of like I don't know, taught me about the first
Speaker 1: culture I got obsessed about, obsessed about like part of
Speaker 1: the fun for me and culture and Internet has made
Speaker 1: it a little bit easier. Is like searching out more
Speaker 1: of a thing and being able to find a thing
Speaker 1: and knowing more about it and being a completist. In
Speaker 1: this collection vibe, it's something millennial and I'm right on
Speaker 1: the edge. You guys get it. Uh, But it was
Speaker 1: goose Bumps, the original goose Bumps here mr st Mr
Speaker 1: arl Stein, And you know I never got into the
Speaker 1: later like he you know, he continues to create the
Speaker 1: franchises keep like bubbling out. But for you know, when
Speaker 1: I first got into them, and like I guess maybe
Speaker 1: it was like the fourth, fifth, sixth grade. Um, I
Speaker 1: was like always a super reader as a kid, Like
Speaker 1: I was an only child. We did a lot of
Speaker 1: like road trips for my parents, like work and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I could read in the car, so they library
Speaker 1: books and books. They were always happy to like whatever
Speaker 1: you need. But that was the first thing where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is number two, and like you go in a
Speaker 1: certain Walden books and they have like one, seven, ten,
Speaker 1: and fourteen, but it's like, oh, I've never seen six around.
Speaker 1: Like the idea of ordering online and all that stuff
Speaker 1: didn't exist. So like it was this excitement of like collection,
Speaker 1: a collection of like I want them all, I want
Speaker 1: to read them all. I want to have a bookshelf
Speaker 1: that shows all the pretty colors of like one through forty.
Speaker 1: So that like prime set of goose bumps, like was
Speaker 1: when I became in middle school in high school, like
Speaker 1: obsessive about my fandom about or just about the completest
Speaker 1: thing is important here because it's just about filling a
Speaker 1: set or of just having a thorough breadth of everything
Speaker 1: about this one thing and saying I know every thing
Speaker 1: about this and saying I'm the guy that has like
Speaker 1: more goose bumps than you, like, you know, like a
Speaker 1: kid being like, oh I read that one. I'm like,
Speaker 1: well did you read all the other ones? And you know,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that weird. I'm a little o
Speaker 1: C d uh, just a little obsessive in some ways.
Speaker 1: And there's the ability to be like, well, I want
Speaker 1: to read them in order. I want I want to
Speaker 1: know all the side stories. And you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna like and going this little thing and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: write I'm gonna a word document that has the list
Speaker 1: of the ones I had, Like all that's mellowed in
Speaker 1: my adult you know, learning about priorities and such, But
Speaker 1: as middle schooler, that was the beginning of that. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that came out of that.
Speaker 1: That's a great one. Was that an entry point until
Speaker 1: like you're liking more scary ship it? Weirdly it like
Speaker 1: for me. For me, it wasn't because as a fellow
Speaker 1: goose bumps, now this is it's all coming not to me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about horror. It was just about the franchise.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and they were like I think it was
Speaker 1: definitely about getting into novels. They were page turners in
Speaker 1: a way that not all chapter books. Y a chapter books,
Speaker 1: I don't even need all that why it's almost younger
Speaker 1: than that. But like a lot of times they weren't scary.
Speaker 1: They're almost silly. But every two page chapter just ended
Speaker 1: with like uh And then Shelly opened the closet and
Speaker 1: there was a shark and you turn the page to
Speaker 1: be like, actually, it was a stuff Doug left that
Speaker 1: I forgot. They were like that are like foll your
Speaker 1: feet out from you, like nothing there, Like it's just
Speaker 1: like the thinnest of mysteries and you go to the
Speaker 1: next gooey number and the chap and also like that
Speaker 1: started my my fandom for trippy fonts. I don't know
Speaker 1: if everyone knows that I love trippy fonts. I think
Speaker 1: letters are melting, or they wet or they sweating. I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of a big thing. I think they're gooey.
Speaker 1: I think they don't think. I don't think it's more
Speaker 1: more complicated than that. Okay, best in the series for you,
Speaker 1: um are you staying out of the basement? Queen not
Speaker 1: of the Living dummy, not living dummy. And I actually like,
Speaker 1: I haven't even seen the new Ghosts goose Bumps movie.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not hitting like it no longer. I
Speaker 1: don't have that connection to it. When the I saw
Speaker 1: the trailer for the new one, say you were like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it like brought this stuff out and sloppy
Speaker 1: as iconic, sloppy as canon slappy, don't. I mean he
Speaker 1: is the like iconic scary ventriloquist dummy, you know, like
Speaker 1: that those those eyebrows, the mouth, I looks like us.
Speaker 1: He looks like he looks like Teddy Perkins from Atlanta. Right,
Speaker 1: did you watch it this season? Like I've seen that
Speaker 1: episode I watched, but but Donald Glover is in whitefaced
Speaker 1: as this crazy looking person, and it just looks I
Speaker 1: think whoever vision boarded this, whoerever like whatever sloppy on
Speaker 1: his reference absolutely guaranteed. I was talking with um somebody
Speaker 1: the other day about like they were like, why isn't
Speaker 1: there like an alt comedy ventriloquist, And I really think
Speaker 1: that like ventriloquism, like I was into magic. I was
Speaker 1: into comedy as a kid, Like I like the idea
Speaker 1: that stuff like vul it seems so hard. It seems
Speaker 1: so hard, Like, no, no person who's doing a joke
Speaker 1: about ventriloquism is going to learn how to do it,
Speaker 1: to learn to be good at both things. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was trying for the longest time to either build or
Speaker 1: buy or commission like a robot like like like a
Speaker 1: like a robot head face thing that would just like
Speaker 1: do comedy with you that I would like program things
Speaker 1: to say, but also like you could program it to
Speaker 1: blow you. I couldn't mean that's what he's eventually and
Speaker 1: like you're like recursive learning it like it would you
Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to. You want it to decide
Speaker 1: to learn to blow You don't want to. You don't
Speaker 1: want to. You're not. It's not your because then that's
Speaker 1: just too much of a god complex. But if it
Speaker 1: also want it could it could replace carams lit Oh
Speaker 1: my god, wait, goose Bumps, Okay, you guys need to
Speaker 1: say no to more things. Oh my god, wait, but
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what I'm realizing now it's
Speaker 1: goose Bumps is bleeding in with me with are You
Speaker 1: Afraid of the Dark, which also was for you that
Speaker 1: was very like are you afraid of Dark as a
Speaker 1: weird show where I used to babysit on Saturday nights,
Speaker 1: um like when I was maybe in like a second
Speaker 1: grade or something like that. And snick and are You
Speaker 1: Afraid of Dark? Was like big, that'd be right before
Speaker 1: they'd come home. That would be the last thing I thought.
Speaker 1: People in Hollywood like, I didn't know it was Canadian
Speaker 1: until I was like nineteen years old, and like everyone
Speaker 1: is just like, you know, what are you being so
Speaker 1: like nervous about it? Like come on, like it's just
Speaker 1: a deep Canadian show. But I thought that's what Like
Speaker 1: the child actor accent was, Oh they talked different. That's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not the Valley, but it's like
Speaker 1: that must be just l A not knowing it was
Speaker 1: just it's a weird It's it's like this. It's everybody
Speaker 1: just like, come on, we gotta be serious. I just
Speaker 1: didn't know. I don't do a great Canadian But they
Speaker 1: don't sound they don't sound like that show was truly scary.
Speaker 1: Are You Free of the Dark was you? We've talked
Speaker 1: about this on the pod before, but there's also sticky
Speaker 1: letter also are You Free of the Dark? It was
Speaker 1: the Magic Match a slab Sarah. Fun it was big
Speaker 1: and bold design queen slap Sarah. But of course, I mean, listeners,
Speaker 1: you've heard us talk about this episode before. But the
Speaker 1: iconic episode for me is the ta and or one
Speaker 1: of them one of a lizard turns into one of them,
Speaker 1: and then the girl has to decide which one is
Speaker 1: her friend, which one is the lizard, like who has
Speaker 1: become a Maori sister? Like in the talking you know
Speaker 1: it's she has to shoot one of them with water
Speaker 1: and guess what she shoots? You find out the wrong one?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it ends? Why does it? Why does
Speaker 1: water kill the real one's? It was a signs type
Speaker 1: they had twenty three Wait was Are You Afraid of
Speaker 1: the Dark? Do they have like three stories in each
Speaker 1: episode or was it? I think it was full. It
Speaker 1: was full. The first anthology, the first anthology theories. I
Speaker 1: mean that's and Tamara, Are You Afraid of the Dark
Speaker 1: was a precursor to everything. Ryan Murphy is just that
Speaker 1: claim bold claim. I claim it boldly. Also, I just
Speaker 1: like I remember being just jealous of the bumper, the
Speaker 1: idea that like these it's kind of know each other
Speaker 1: and they all just like meat in the woods and
Speaker 1: it's like it all worked out with no cell phones.
Speaker 1: They're allowed out, like this is there a sexual energy here?
Speaker 1: Like whatever? You know, Oh you're finally here the spot
Speaker 1: in the woods, sitting on the rock, boys might behind perkin,
Speaker 1: you know, the rough Yeah, and we throw sand onto
Speaker 1: the fire, and the sand was always the sexiest part.
Speaker 1: They would know the stand on the thing, snuff it
Speaker 1: would snuff it would. I forgot about the frame. I
Speaker 1: totally forgot about It's it's a sexy frame. But yeah,
Speaker 1: those kids, those kids had something. Man um, did you
Speaker 1: watch the goose Bumps TV show? I watched the originally,
Speaker 1: but I think made me realize it was like after
Speaker 1: I kind of settle on the books, but they were
Speaker 1: doing one to one adaptations of the series I've read,
Speaker 1: but I remember realizing I'd gotten better reading. I remember
Speaker 1: realizing like, oh, these books must be pretty thin if
Speaker 1: they can get everything in one app sure, Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't like, well, we're the first book will be the
Speaker 1: first season we're thinking and it was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it. That was There were two turns. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never thought about that, Like a good feeling that
Speaker 1: comes with like watch seeing your books in a row.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like gorgeous. I don't even I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize I was doing this, but I do it
Speaker 1: with Harry Potter too, I like line them all up,
Speaker 1: and mother's me to to this day. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I can totally, I can feel that in my body.
Speaker 1: How good that probably feels. But it bothers me so
Speaker 1: much that my Sorcerer's Stone is a paperback. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: need them are hardcover. I need to go buy the
Speaker 1: You know, now that you're a successful adult ran with
Speaker 1: a wildly successful podcast empire, there is this company and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I plug it correctly. I got in a
Speaker 1: gift from my girlfriend. Uh. They basically they will take
Speaker 1: any book you want, um and they will make a
Speaker 1: custom like binding and uh cover four it that you
Speaker 1: can have like four your like uh like art that
Speaker 1: goes across all the books. So like my girlfriend and
Speaker 1: she especially loves the like Elena Ferrante novels, and like
Speaker 1: they have only ever been out in paperback in English,
Speaker 1: but like this company made hardcover versions and then and
Speaker 1: then made like a cover that like sits It's almost
Speaker 1: like an art piece that sits in your shelf. And
Speaker 1: like one image goes across and they do like custom
Speaker 1: that's not like the catalog. It's worth it just to
Speaker 1: get the catalog on the mail because they like obviously
Speaker 1: have these demo wall bookshelves that are like all the
Speaker 1: classics but like all in like Sepia with the same
Speaker 1: fonts and just like batches of images across five So
Speaker 1: it just feels like looking at this like mural with
Speaker 1: your books. It's so hard. I'm rock hard. Promo code caramels.
Speaker 1: That's it. Okay, Well I have we we need to
Speaker 1: talk about Goosebumps more. Was it was it? U? No,
Speaker 1: this is huge for me. This is huge for me
Speaker 1: Max because the series was very good. The series was
Speaker 1: a Fox. It was Fox. I was in Canada, it
Speaker 1: was white TV for for a minute. That's much where
Speaker 1: I watched it. But um, the Haunted Mask adaptation was
Speaker 1: masterful because the mask that they got, so it's basically this,
Speaker 1: they get this mask, they put it on. It's haunted,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, it has it does crazy things to the kids.
Speaker 1: Well it turns the kid evil. And the mast for
Speaker 1: it was truly like Emmy worthy props. Wait, was it
Speaker 1: like a large mask green? Yes? Remember they it's like
Speaker 1: green Goblin style. It was like, yes, the art, like
Speaker 1: the art is very evocative, Like I would show you
Speaker 1: a picture and you would be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: yes this is I think I also remember reading and
Speaker 1: this could be apocryphal. And all Stein's on Twitter, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he can correct this. Uh that for a lot
Speaker 1: of like that series, he would come up with the
Speaker 1: title in the cover image before the reverse engineered from there.
Speaker 1: You know, like just this idea of like you know,
Speaker 1: the boy with the you know, wasp in his brain
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like and they just have like an
Speaker 1: age of like wasp eyes or something, and then like
Speaker 1: be like, okay, I can imagine that, like a kid's
Speaker 1: at camp and he gets whatever. Like I'm always very
Speaker 1: impressed by the business. The business you can pump them out.
Speaker 1: But because sometimes I'm gonna say something, sometimes the content
Speaker 1: of the books didn't live up to the art. I
Speaker 1: mean it can't possibly, especially when that idea comes first.
Speaker 1: And I will say that, like part of this collector
Speaker 1: thing at birth in me was like the object, the
Speaker 1: physical object, and the hunt was as important to me
Speaker 1: in my fandom as the content. You know, Like I
Speaker 1: I in middle school in early high school, I got
Speaker 1: really into like Star Wars novels, like the expanded universe
Speaker 1: before all the prequels can for you, you know, I
Speaker 1: I see that's another fandom. I like pulled my foot
Speaker 1: off the like I'll see the movies, but I'm not like, well,
Speaker 1: I've got a delete thrawn out of my database, like
Speaker 1: I live in a very casual way with that now.
Speaker 1: But I liked um. I liked holding them. I like
Speaker 1: the look of like it's trilogy and this like that.
Speaker 1: Even if the book was weird, I still was like,
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna read it all. I'm still gonna put
Speaker 1: it on the shelf, like I liked finding it and
Speaker 1: having it as much as you know, I was really hard,
Speaker 1: like I was like on the Star Wars website. So
Speaker 1: it's very kind of and I know all about the
Speaker 1: novels that extended the universe and everything. So it's hard
Speaker 1: to see the movies now because they've literally thrown that
Speaker 1: all out, which is very confusing. Yeah, and I liked
Speaker 1: some of the choices they had made back then. Lucas,
Speaker 1: yeah all that. The kids, Yeah, the kids were great twins.
Speaker 1: Jaden and right, yes, Jaden and whatever. And now it's
Speaker 1: like in in um My God, what was the name
Speaker 1: of the last movie? Last Jedi? You spoiler alert for
Speaker 1: people haven't seen The Last Jedi you find out that
Speaker 1: Ray has no familial connection to the Skywalkers at all,
Speaker 1: which is I guess was like their big reviews. It's
Speaker 1: very it's very uh, it's the big sci fi eighth grade.
Speaker 1: All our stories are important, and the point is you
Speaker 1: shouldn't just you shouldn't judge your own story if it
Speaker 1: doesn't match up to the ones in the big screen.
Speaker 1: It's true. Bo Burnham, What's up at Me? Following that
Speaker 1: was the movie what I mean? And he was a
Speaker 1: great interview at Multura Fest. He was so nice. He
Speaker 1: was a sweetheart, so sweet. Have you met him? No? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know him a little bit. Oh No, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to ask you. I want to ask would really quickly?
Speaker 1: Have you met all? That's what I was. No, he
Speaker 1: is at really he has done the monologues for ASCAT
Speaker 1: I think a couple of times, like one time he
Speaker 1: did that shown, which is like they do a monthly
Speaker 1: late night show with I've been there, I've been at
Speaker 1: u c be like several times when he's like rolling
Speaker 1: through when they're like preparing the green room and everything,
Speaker 1: like r L is a he's a little I mean
Speaker 1: that's like all the more power too, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that would be delightful to you meet him or see
Speaker 1: him on that stage. He's someone that like I liked.
Speaker 1: I liked the lack of access I had to his persona,
Speaker 1: his process and was like, Oh, you're a spooky man
Speaker 1: that just like, where do these ideas come from? I
Speaker 1: bet you live in a weird like main Stephen King
Speaker 1: scary thing and just like I don't know my fingers
Speaker 1: one stuff typing. And then to have him just be like,
Speaker 1: you know, follow me on my Space and like I'm
Speaker 1: doing a meet and greed and like very out and
Speaker 1: about like people that like are into knowing. Beverley Cleary
Speaker 1: is not who I'm thinking. Who's just like Judie Blue
Speaker 1: and that she's like on Twitter and like we d
Speaker 1: M or whatever. I'm just like, I don't interesting. But
Speaker 1: arl Stein statement out speaking about statements about who's gay
Speaker 1: and who's not. Because every spec pilot I've ever written,
Speaker 1: I years later sent all the production companies had gone
Speaker 1: out to a statement about who's game. You know everyone
Speaker 1: you thought was they wasn't that you know, this never
Speaker 1: went beyond the second drafts in our meeting didn't go great.
Speaker 1: But I just like you to know that those two
Speaker 1: characters they do end up getting married. There was a
Speaker 1: great ClickHole thing. Whoever wrote it, Uh, ClickHole was like
Speaker 1: a cross crossing a line. Dick Carroll has revealed the
Speaker 1: has crowns um because okay, but he always had so
Speaker 1: he peeled back somewhere even back in the day where
Speaker 1: at the end of each Goosebumps book he'd be like,
Speaker 1: now and come join the Goosebumps fan club, like remember
Speaker 1: those pages like those, Yeah, he would always want he
Speaker 1: always He's always been this person who's like wanted to
Speaker 1: interact with the Yeah, and I think like publishing as
Speaker 1: a thing, pre j k. Rowling has always wanted how
Speaker 1: do we get people? Like even more on the train
Speaker 1: of like he was an early guy that had a website,
Speaker 1: like if there had been social media, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's a mailing list, we'll send you
Speaker 1: a newsletter, Like you know, they want that engagement. I
Speaker 1: just like always had this thing of being like I
Speaker 1: don't I'm happy with the books and I don't look
Speaker 1: look new creators, and I'm down to find out more
Speaker 1: about them. I'll stalk anybody's Instagram like a weird like
Speaker 1: director of a movie that I kind of like, would
Speaker 1: be like, well, I want know about you know, his life,
Speaker 1: but for that stuff from childhood, I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need to, like now be your peer, wouldn't interesting?
Speaker 1: Like I never? I never, yeah, I never. I have
Speaker 1: never sought out information about J. K Rowling's life. I'm
Speaker 1: a Harry Potter person. But like whenever she's like has
Speaker 1: an interview, like and they're like, this is J. K
Speaker 1: rowling story, I'm like, I know her story. Her story
Speaker 1: is Harry. You don't watch the interview? No, I mean
Speaker 1: I've watched the interview, but oftentimes is great. I did
Speaker 1: watch the one with Opera. Did you like Harry Potter?
Speaker 1: You're Harry Potter? You know I enjoyed Harry Potter. I
Speaker 1: love the uh Cormer and Strike novels. Oh, what's those are? Robert?
Speaker 1: She wrote it under the super right, like they are fantastic,
Speaker 1: better than the Casual Vacancy. Uh. It's like it is
Speaker 1: like truly great, great detective writing and a sort of
Speaker 1: pulpy but she's like a very very you know, great
Speaker 1: great literary writer. But they're straight for their mysteries, but
Speaker 1: like super well done, very re British, they're like and
Speaker 1: she like pumps them out almost the first three were
Speaker 1: one a year. I think in the midst of everything else,
Speaker 1: she's putting a play out in writing screen like she's incredible. Really,
Speaker 1: Like there's some writing in the Harry Potter books that
Speaker 1: is stunning, like when when when he died? When he
Speaker 1: dies and the ghost of the ghost of his last
Speaker 1: laugh still on his face when fred Fred Weasley dies
Speaker 1: and then um, just like the whole imagery around Cedric dying,
Speaker 1: Like how sudden that felt, and like that that just
Speaker 1: felt like she's good, the whole chapter where he's where,
Speaker 1: where he's dead at King's crossed, Like do you perfectly
Speaker 1: match up with my girlfriend's sister who is the biggest
Speaker 1: Harry Potter So is my girlfriend, but the sister is
Speaker 1: the exact age. Actually I do perfectly match up you do.
Speaker 1: I never even thought of that. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that must have been unbelievable to get that
Speaker 1: book every August or whatever legitimately start seventh grade legitimately
Speaker 1: did you read it as they came out. I grew
Speaker 1: up with them, but that one was so That's what
Speaker 1: was so weird about it is it was like when
Speaker 1: that the tone of the books changed, I almost didn't
Speaker 1: notice because my kind of perception of of of like
Speaker 1: the dramatic sticks was also changing, like I felt like,
Speaker 1: and then you read them back and that first book
Speaker 1: is genuinely written at a different reading totally well, but
Speaker 1: like they matched up for us towards the end because
Speaker 1: the last one came out when we were seniors in
Speaker 1: high school. I think that you're right, yeah, because the
Speaker 1: first one I read in fourth grade would have been
Speaker 1: a little bit younger totally, So they ended up matching
Speaker 1: towards the end. And then like when the movies first
Speaker 1: came out, and that's when they matched. When they cast
Speaker 1: the kids as the actors, they were the same, they
Speaker 1: were the same age as It was crazy, and I
Speaker 1: remember reading a reading like a casting breakdown or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was like only looking I don't know why this
Speaker 1: is coming out in British, only looking for British actors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like heartbreaking. And my dad said to me,
Speaker 1: you know what, if you worked hard enough, you could
Speaker 1: be Harry Potter. I was like, I don't think they're
Speaker 1: checking from me. Dad. He's like, if you worked hard
Speaker 1: enough and you put your mind to it, you would
Speaker 1: be Harry Potter's casting guys. They're on your side. All
Speaker 1: they want to do is find a good tape exactly.
Speaker 1: They don't know what they want until they see. But
Speaker 1: wait now, I do want it. Before we got on,
Speaker 1: before we started the pod, we were having a really
Speaker 1: good conversation you guys about Mr Holland's Open and I
Speaker 1: want to share one thing. Well, one thing is my dad.
Speaker 1: We were watching Mr Holland's Opus and there's the character
Speaker 1: of Rowenna, who is the teen girl that Mr Holland
Speaker 1: almost fucks, he fully and then he encourages her moving
Speaker 1: away to the second act, temptation of being like your
Speaker 1: man with a kid and a wife, responsibilities and just
Speaker 1: but you got the student. It's just like, I mean,
Speaker 1: she's got something in her eyes. I mean there's a
Speaker 1: spark and when she left the town. My dad had
Speaker 1: a classic land which I only just recalled in this
Speaker 1: conversation before, which was, let me tell you something, I
Speaker 1: don't think she makes it because I don't know anybody
Speaker 1: out there named Rowenna, and what's like, like, does he
Speaker 1: mean and he could mean both make it that if
Speaker 1: the character had made it, she'd be famous, be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is from or that she in
Speaker 1: some weird time loop. She the character makes it so
Speaker 1: big that people are now naming their children after the
Speaker 1: fictional It's a weird world within a world. I don't
Speaker 1: know where his mind was existing at the time. I
Speaker 1: just remember he was like, well, she shouldn't have done that,
Speaker 1: because I would tell you something. She didn't make it.
Speaker 1: We don't hear anyone named Roguanna, like as if she
Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a share Madonna. That's a
Speaker 1: classic Rich Rogers. I cannot work out the logic of that.
Speaker 1: This is I'm sure you guys don't watch this. Uh.
Speaker 1: I very much love the show Bosh uh. And it's
Speaker 1: based on these novels named Bosh. But in the novels,
Speaker 1: originally the character of Bosh is Rich because there was
Speaker 1: a Bosch TV show based on a case of So
Speaker 1: the TV show starts and he's got a Bosch poster
Speaker 1: in his house and you're kind of like, okay, so
Speaker 1: there's a different Bosch TV show in the TV universe. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. But another weird thing about the novels,
Speaker 1: and they've sold, you know, a hundred million copies is
Speaker 1: The Lincoln Lawyer is the half brother of Bosh. It's
Speaker 1: written by the same author. They also made a movie
Speaker 1: of The Lincoln Lawyer with Matthew McConnelly. Yes, and they
Speaker 1: do overlap in some of the novels. I guess I
Speaker 1: haven't read those, but in a recent Bosh book. I'm
Speaker 1: reading the book which is narrated by the actor who
Speaker 1: plays Bosh an audiobook, he calls his half brother Mickey
Speaker 1: Holler the Lincoln Lawyer, and his half brother answers, uh hey,
Speaker 1: like hey, little brother, alright, alright, alright, And then in
Speaker 1: the book it says his brother has taken to doing
Speaker 1: a Matthew McConaughey impression after they made a movie based
Speaker 1: on him starring Matthew McConaughey. So like in now the
Speaker 1: universe of the Bosh novels, they there's the real Matthew
Speaker 1: McConaughey movie, but it's nonfiction. It's nonfiction, and there's a
Speaker 1: Bosch TV show that's not this. It's like strip and
Speaker 1: you know what that is? Also it's in the Oceans
Speaker 1: franchise now where there's Julia Roberts exists in the Oceans universe,
Speaker 1: but Anne Hathaway doesn't. But then meanwhile, fucking Daphne Kluger does.
Speaker 1: But then it's all, wait, okay, so you're saying, because
Speaker 1: I been seen all the Oceans movies, Julia Roberts the
Speaker 1: actress exists in the Oceans universe, and Julia Roberts plays account.
Speaker 1: The big twist of the second movie is they keep
Speaker 1: referencing talking about I think her name is Trish or
Speaker 1: something cast you're going to pose as Julia Roberts, but
Speaker 1: being like, you know what we could do because test does,
Speaker 1: and everyone keeps being like she's not gonna do it, no,
Speaker 1: and then they finally are like will you and they
Speaker 1: and You're like they must not be talking about this,
Speaker 1: and then it's like they are so like Bruce Willis
Speaker 1: plays himself, it's like a whole because she happens to
Speaker 1: be her identical stranger. It's like, it's so because in
Speaker 1: any other movie where there are real celebrities in there,
Speaker 1: you can like make some logical you can you can
Speaker 1: suspend some disbelief and say, oh, every other celebrity accepted
Speaker 1: that the actors who are playing these people exist in
Speaker 1: this world. The only thing that would have made Oceans
Speaker 1: a better is if Anne Hathaway that's true. I think
Speaker 1: it would have made it so much funnier. And I
Speaker 1: already think that movie was great and huge amazing for her.
Speaker 1: Like I think, I think the public narrative on Ann
Speaker 1: Hathaway right now is like so positively down for because
Speaker 1: I like, she also got to play the I've only
Speaker 1: seen half the movie. I'm sorry, but the heck, but
Speaker 1: she gets to play She gets to make fun of
Speaker 1: totally without having to be literal about it. She's not
Speaker 1: so indulgent that she's playing and Hathaway is a big
Speaker 1: buffoon or or whatever public I and she's playing this
Speaker 1: like fake version. It's perfect. I think the way that
Speaker 1: the character was conceived and presented and performed would have
Speaker 1: been such a funny comment on Anne Hathaway. I just
Speaker 1: think it. Soderberg would have taken that swings a little
Speaker 1: Gary Gary Garry Ross, Cooper, Ross, very Ross. How many carrots?
Speaker 1: Is it enough enough? She's very good, it's towards the delicious,
Speaker 1: very good. Um Wait, we were having this conversation about
Speaker 1: movies that unfailingly make his crap right. I was saying
Speaker 1: that Mr. Holland's Opus is one of two films that
Speaker 1: has a scene that I can access any time and
Speaker 1: like make myself overcome. And it's not a movie that
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's the most important movie to me
Speaker 1: or the yes, we're Mr like like to win a
Speaker 1: fight with my girlfriend, you know, like a yeah. Mr
Speaker 1: Hans opens when he uh he discovers that his retirement
Speaker 1: ceremony is actually the first performance of his American Symphony
Speaker 1: and he stands in the current raises and it's all
Speaker 1: his former students grown up and he chokes up Richard
Speaker 1: Dreyfussance and then Forrest Gump when at the end he
Speaker 1: meets Haley Joe Osmond and he asked Robin, right, um,
Speaker 1: is he smart or is he stupid? Like? And She's like,
Speaker 1: He's one of the smartest boys in this class. That's
Speaker 1: a really good one. I'll say mine is the culmination
Speaker 1: of Big Fish. When the father is dying and the
Speaker 1: son has to tell him a story and basically he
Speaker 1: just reveals that like they had this great adventure to
Speaker 1: take him back to the river and then when they
Speaker 1: get to the river to put the father in the
Speaker 1: water so that he can be the big Fish. Um,
Speaker 1: all his family and friends had were there waiting for
Speaker 1: him and cheering, and none of them were sad. They
Speaker 1: were all so happy to see you. Oh my God.
Speaker 1: And just the music. I can think of it at
Speaker 1: any time if I want to cry, you can find
Speaker 1: me in my room listening to the big Fish track.
Speaker 1: So a question about that, because I don't remember that
Speaker 1: scene perfectly. Is anyone on camera crying? Because that's my
Speaker 1: big thing, Like if not that, any time I watched
Speaker 1: someone cry, I cry. But like in those two movies,
Speaker 1: it is like the first time you see those characters
Speaker 1: like Buckle and like I was at a wedding this
Speaker 1: weekend and like looking at an aunt I've never met
Speaker 1: start to cry during bows when kick into me, Like
Speaker 1: it's like laughter, begetting laughter, Like I get very social
Speaker 1: about it. So it's interesting that you're big Fish has
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. They weren't crying, but they
Speaker 1: were very sure yes you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I think there's a shot there's a shot of Helen
Speaker 1: a bottom carter and she's like trying in of happiness,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like and I honestly, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what what what's doing it for me? There? The thing
Speaker 1: that I'm like keying into is the father son thing. Also,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen the movie? I often talk about
Speaker 1: this movie? Um, oh my god? Why am I not
Speaker 1: able to think of Kira Sedgewick, Robert Downey Jr. Uh
Speaker 1: Uh sorry sorry? Um, oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Heart and Souls. Heart and Soul, No, I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: Heart and Souls is one of the like suddsist like
Speaker 1: soapy kind of movies. It's like literally it's Alfrey Woodard, Um,
Speaker 1: Tom Sizemore, Uh, Kira Sedgewick and some other actor from
Speaker 1: that guy from this. It's just the movie in general
Speaker 1: is like they they're in a bus accident and they
Speaker 1: die and their souls are latched onto a young child,
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. And he starts to see them around. Wait,
Speaker 1: so this is super young Robert Downy Well, but he's
Speaker 1: a child playing Robert Downey Jr. And then this this
Speaker 1: the parents start to realize that their kids like a
Speaker 1: little funked up because he sees these ghosts, but they
Speaker 1: can't see write them. So he is all he's all weird,
Speaker 1: and the parents like get divorced and it's horrible, and
Speaker 1: we've got a whole crew of ghosts. He's got a
Speaker 1: crew of ghosts that are like attached to him, and
Speaker 1: they don't know why. And so they when they say,
Speaker 1: we're kind of ruining those kids, like we have to
Speaker 1: leave him. And so they make a conscious decision to
Speaker 1: all one time tell him we're going to leave you.
Speaker 1: And they're his best friends. And this is the beginning
Speaker 1: of the movie. So as they're all leaving him one
Speaker 1: by one and Alfrey Ward is the last to go.
Speaker 1: Alfree is the queen. It's actually culture number four is
Speaker 1: the queen. And they all leave and this kid, this
Speaker 1: child actor is just crying weeping. This one from me
Speaker 1: but you need to see it also has Elizabeth shot Elizabeth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really really really my god. But and then so
Speaker 1: then us go on from there. It's so the ghosts
Speaker 1: are then they're able to see him, but but he can't.
Speaker 1: So they essentially grow up with him, or they don't
Speaker 1: grow up them. They're there as themselves. But he grows
Speaker 1: up into Robert Downey Jr. And becomes like a douche
Speaker 1: and so then they hear to him again because they
Speaker 1: realize they need him to help them do their unfinished business.
Speaker 1: And then the movie gets going. It's a really good movie.
Speaker 1: It's really good, and it's like weepy and like early nineties,
Speaker 1: like when they used to make movies like this. But
Speaker 1: Robert Downy Jr. You're so good. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: good scenes of like the ghost taking over his body,
Speaker 1: so he'll like take on the characteristic stuff like Hera
Speaker 1: and Alfrey and Tom Sizemore, who's like crazy. Were they
Speaker 1: were going to make that now, it would have to
Speaker 1: be faith based, like yeah, they're like, you know, Katherine
Speaker 1: Hegel and like another TV actor, and it would just
Speaker 1: be like, why isn't all the scenes in the daytime?
Speaker 1: People would make it more complicitive. Enjoy the movie. Does
Speaker 1: it exist in the vacuum that it currently exists? Is
Speaker 1: my recommendation. Do you have one of those movies but
Speaker 1: it's a weepy one for you? Yeah, but they're they're
Speaker 1: and but we were saying this before off off Mike
Speaker 1: that it's they're not prestigie films, but yes, but mine
Speaker 1: are so so basic and it's fine, but without fail
Speaker 1: and I did this before a scene where I had
Speaker 1: to cry, Um the fucking this like when just what
Speaker 1: I got you there on high maintenance? This is this
Speaker 1: is high maintenance. This was um. I was literally in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, I know. I was like, I'll do it
Speaker 1: on the day and then was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to watch this clip this
Speaker 1: part and inside Out when they're in the bottom of
Speaker 1: the pet and I was like, and then and then
Speaker 1: it's it's amy just like sobbing and don't you remember
Speaker 1: like when she used to do this thing? And then
Speaker 1: and that part unfailingly makes me cry and I don't
Speaker 1: cry it stuff. And then the other one is these
Speaker 1: are both Disney movies twist for you never really when
Speaker 1: she yeah, when when she loved me, it was great.
Speaker 1: But mulan on at the end where she brings the
Speaker 1: sword in the metal, she's like, father, I brought you
Speaker 1: back this and then he takes it, doesn't even look
Speaker 1: at it, throws it, throws it to the side, hugs
Speaker 1: her God parents stuff gets me. It's yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: a parent stuff too. That's that's a parent thing too.
Speaker 1: And then the inside Out thing is a childhood thing.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's all, it's it's that. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm working with, very good ones, but they're both like
Speaker 1: both like super like Blockbuster Disney movie, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, those prestige movies that are
Speaker 1: that are that would make me cry. They just kind
Speaker 1: of sit in my gut and make me very They're heavy.
Speaker 1: I just like, sit with in my despair. Yea you
Speaker 1: you walk out like stunned or whatever. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Hollywood it's a criticism of them, but they're
Speaker 1: like they're wilfully taking like narrative coding steps to manipulate
Speaker 1: you in a way that I think artsy tour people
Speaker 1: are like, well, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna like have swelling music. I'm not going to zoom
Speaker 1: in on a trembling lip. I'm gonna play it truth
Speaker 1: or cut away or let you think about it. It's like, sure,
Speaker 1: do that, but like the manipulation work works for that
Speaker 1: if you want to get people like tissues. You know, Also,
Speaker 1: it's a movie, and whenever people are like, oh look,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's a movie. Like people like the
Speaker 1: early reviews of a Star is Born. They're like, it's
Speaker 1: a little like treakily at times, I'm like, yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's a melodrama, like it's it's a it's a musical,
Speaker 1: and it's a reboot, it it's a it's a bunch
Speaker 1: of things. And I will weep at that movie. And
Speaker 1: the way that I will get my spirits back up
Speaker 1: is I Wild Binge Big Mouth season two, which will
Speaker 1: be premiering just minutes after we get home. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: listen to it on the drive and it's it's not
Speaker 1: even a visual medium television cartoons. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: come on, all right, is it time? I think it's time.
Speaker 1: That's time for I don't think so, honey, nervous. This
Speaker 1: is our segment Max. We we kind of know what
Speaker 1: Max is is. But it's gonna be great. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be one one for the books. I have a concept
Speaker 1: but and I don't know what i'll say, but I
Speaker 1: know how I feel. I don't know my words, but
Speaker 1: I do in my heart. I don't know, do you
Speaker 1: know my heart? Okay? Great? Um, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, his time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Robin Right, because I could smell
Speaker 1: it on you. I could smell the Kevin Spacey apologism
Speaker 1: when you said you didn't really know him when they
Speaker 1: asked you, you worked with them every single day, and
Speaker 1: now you're saying he deserves a second chance. No, Kevin
Speaker 1: Spacey does not deserve a second chance, Robin Right. I'm sorry. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I'm gonna come for your
Speaker 1: performance as well. I've kind of been doing the same
Speaker 1: thing for five seasons. Very good at sitting stone face
Speaker 1: and receiving information coldly. You are one of the best
Speaker 1: in the biz. But honey, nah. Also, look, you're not
Speaker 1: doing much more to lift the material up from where
Speaker 1: it's been for the past three seasons, which is not
Speaker 1: that good house of cards. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: You died with Bo william I am absolutely not watching
Speaker 1: this last season now that you said what you said,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Money. Please tell victims of assault
Speaker 1: that they are not as worthy as Kevin Spacey of
Speaker 1: a second chance. I could I could smell it on
Speaker 1: her for months before it came, this like thing of
Speaker 1: her saying I think everyone can be rehabilitated and should
Speaker 1: be given a seconds. I could smell she said she
Speaker 1: did not. She was very tight lipped about the whole
Speaker 1: thing and never came out with a statement. And then
Speaker 1: she got a lot of praise for like being the
Speaker 1: one to spearhead the fact that like the show was
Speaker 1: going to continue, people were going to lose their jobs.
Speaker 1: But she could have done all that and said all
Speaker 1: that without saying that Kevin Spacey can be rehabilitated, deserve
Speaker 1: a second chance. Go ahead and think that in your
Speaker 1: own time. Don't make a public statement about it up.
Speaker 1: Don't bring that opinion to the table at the seller. No,
Speaker 1: and you know that Robin Wright has been trying to
Speaker 1: get just because just because we gave you a little
Speaker 1: bit of props for being part of a scene that
Speaker 1: tugs at the ear the tear ducts of one Max Silvestre,
Speaker 1: not mean you're getting out Scott free in this episode
Speaker 1: of Last COI. You're just a tool to Max. Somebody says,
Speaker 1: somebody tweeted how about Robin. I was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think honey, that tweet. But they weren't wrong.
Speaker 1: They were They weren't wrong. I was a fan of
Speaker 1: her earlier work on the show. No, she's not growing
Speaker 1: and changing. I'm gonna watch the new season, but like,
Speaker 1: do you think you will? You're gonna watch it? I am.
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely curious because it's not that far away, and
Speaker 1: it will be the first mass product with like mass
Speaker 1: money behind it that is trying to you know, it's
Speaker 1: not going to be a Pucci thing. It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be like minute one, they're just like the bus just
Speaker 1: hit them and then they just don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna somehow being mentioned in it. And like not
Speaker 1: that I think that show is pitched perfect. I've always
Speaker 1: found it very like binge able. But I'm like, how
Speaker 1: are you how are you guys gonna try to stick
Speaker 1: this landing? Like putting aside over trying to save jobs
Speaker 1: or it was already it was her story anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: very curious and how people accept like I'm I'm the rationale.
Speaker 1: I don't want to just read the headline, you know,
Speaker 1: so I and I so often have just it's been
Speaker 1: easy to just be like, well, I don't care about
Speaker 1: that person's work, so I don't need context on the
Speaker 1: bed put them in a bucket um. But this, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, how are you gonna do it? Prediction car bomb,
Speaker 1: but there's see, I think there's no way. I think
Speaker 1: it's like a gun in the mouth. I think there's
Speaker 1: no way that they can make the character a hero
Speaker 1: without like awkwardly, if they make him a martyr in
Speaker 1: the show, it's going to conflate mourning Kevin Spacey with
Speaker 1: Kevin Space's character with morning Kevin space the actor's career,
Speaker 1: like like it's gonna have to be like something terrible
Speaker 1: comes out, like murder, sue or whatever, and just like
Speaker 1: everyone tried. Like I think they're gonna do a meta
Speaker 1: swing where it's like them trying to cover up what
Speaker 1: he did to just like keep the country. I don't
Speaker 1: know that's me being optimistic, but it's a huge opportunity, Yeah,
Speaker 1: huge opportunity to kill the man. Yeah, to figure out
Speaker 1: the way. I mean, I think there's those scenes in
Speaker 1: movies where someone's on top of the train and then
Speaker 1: they look up and their head gets snapped off. Like
Speaker 1: I think I think you could have a sort of
Speaker 1: satisfying Dennis Hopper, phil Seymour Hoffman just take the top
Speaker 1: of the head off. Do you think with that crazy
Speaker 1: accent he does, it would feel right for an anivil
Speaker 1: to come follow him. I feel like that actually would
Speaker 1: feel right. He's doing barbershop. He's doing barbershop quartet, like
Speaker 1: the reunion of the Military Academy and like the anchor
Speaker 1: on top of the school like kill yeah, he is
Speaker 1: just Yo Semin Sam. Why did we Yeah? Anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. His
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: you know what, all these tapes are coming out from
Speaker 1: minding anyone stuff and I didn't I didn't follow this
Speaker 1: obviously because it wasn't but like he's asking her some
Speaker 1: like bullshit questions and like he was supposedly the good
Speaker 1: guy on the Judiciary Committite back then, and like because
Speaker 1: then like Manner did this thing last night where she
Speaker 1: like cuts between him and Arlen Specter and Arlen's a
Speaker 1: full monster and he's he's being awful. But then like
Speaker 1: but then you google, if you google Joe Biden old photos,
Speaker 1: you see like the ones where everyone's like, oh soon
Speaker 1: Joe Biden his bay, but then they're the ones where
Speaker 1: he's just has some shit eating grin next to Clarence Thomas,
Speaker 1: like whatever, Like it's just I don't know. Joe's Joe's great.
Speaker 1: Study's gonna kill me when she hears this Delari and
Speaker 1: study Green. But if she stands for Joe Biden in
Speaker 1: the election, I'm gonna freak out. Continue God, but like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it's all this sceneded hell stuff
Speaker 1: is like really upsetting me, and like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: if you go, everyone should read her op ed today
Speaker 1: in the New York Times. It's fantastic, and that's one minute.
Speaker 1: You know, this definitely doesn't help him. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: a good luck, it's not cute stuff that's good. I
Speaker 1: don't think he survives, you know, correctly, like critical rethinking
Speaker 1: of like the buddy buddy, like we're all different sides
Speaker 1: of the same, you know, like it was it was
Speaker 1: slimy in collegiate and like you put up and smiled
Speaker 1: at a lot of gross stuff like maybe you thought
Speaker 1: you didn't have to judge it, but guess what now,
Speaker 1: And and then you helped and then you let through
Speaker 1: some fucking sexual assailant into the Supreme Court. Already, did
Speaker 1: you see confirmation the HBO movie with Kerry Washington where
Speaker 1: she now but literally today after after I read this
Speaker 1: Need of Health and I was like, I have to
Speaker 1: watch Everyone should watch that movie. It's a really good
Speaker 1: remind did she win an Emmy for that or no,
Speaker 1: she was nominated, not she was nominated. But you know
Speaker 1: who else is in at Jennifer Hudson as the woman
Speaker 1: who also was allegedly assaulted by Clarence Thomas or he
Speaker 1: made advances on and they don't allow her testify. Which
Speaker 1: people also don't understand is that there was more than
Speaker 1: one woman that was willing to come forward and they
Speaker 1: kept her in a room and told her you're going
Speaker 1: to testify, and hours and hours and hours went by.
Speaker 1: Watch the movie. Jenn For Hudson plays that character. I
Speaker 1: forget who plays Biden, but um, Greg, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you might be right. Yeah, Number one hundred and three books. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's time for Max Silvestris. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be really good. Okay, okay, go no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is Matt you call it off. This is Maxilvestris.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. And as time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so Honey, honey, you taste weird. You
Speaker 1: are annoying sugar. You are sugar that refuses to own
Speaker 1: a TV. You are sugar on rollerblades trying to explain
Speaker 1: to a group of girls at a party what inception
Speaker 1: was about. You figured out how to make tea worse.
Speaker 1: You are bumblebee ship. You answer the question what would
Speaker 1: it taste like to felch maple syrup out of Jeff
Speaker 1: Goldbloom in the fly? Also, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: you are not healthy. That is some debunk to eighties
Speaker 1: Newsweek cover story snack well Ship. You are for people
Speaker 1: on a diet who also move their lips when they read.
Speaker 1: You are a y for British grandma's with dementia. You
Speaker 1: are sweetener for basic people. How dare you get served
Speaker 1: at a restaurant? You are brief cheese. You are sun
Speaker 1: dried tomatoes. You are spinach flavored wraps. You are an
Speaker 1: egg white omelet with a scoop of cottage cheese in
Speaker 1: the middle. You're a sticky thigh master covered in flies. Kids,
Speaker 1: look at Winnie the Poo's asshole. I don't think And
Speaker 1: that's one minute, and it's gotta be one of the
Speaker 1: best water, the best ever. You know what, you are
Speaker 1: single handedly changing the way we attack. We attacked this
Speaker 1: on the podcast. We have to come in with with
Speaker 1: good ones from now we do because this was a
Speaker 1: sleigh and I can tell you know it was a sleigh.
Speaker 1: I can see in your eyes athlete is coming out
Speaker 1: and I'm like trying to catch my breath. You look
Speaker 1: at Serena. I'd rather lose Max sylvestryst Thanks guys. That
Speaker 1: was But I will say this, I like, honey, it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. No, no, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean that was not this, not me. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to be clear that this was not like a
Speaker 1: meta joke writing exercise, likeney. I don't like honey, honey.
Speaker 1: It's ruined, like ruine, Like I lost security deposits and
Speaker 1: more than one apartment because of some shitty thing of honey.
Speaker 1: I bought for a recipe that fell over on the
Speaker 1: pantry and like takes the pain out like it is
Speaker 1: always annoying to me. Wow, I never thought about what
Speaker 1: it can do to a home. Yeah, clover, honey, the
Speaker 1: whatever plain honey is bullshit. I understand everyone's Max's Reservations
Speaker 1: with honey Manuka honey from New Zealand. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: not from a come, it's from the minuca flower. It's
Speaker 1: still bubble, Okay, I eat literally eat it from a spoon.
Speaker 1: You're disgusted. No, because not because I like the taste,
Speaker 1: kids that listen to them. Not because I like the taste,
Speaker 1: but because literally I've been getting sick all year, like
Speaker 1: once a month any time over the summer, when I
Speaker 1: felt a tickle in my throat, would take a scoop
Speaker 1: of manuka honey and the next day would feel fine.
Speaker 1: It's just it's medicinal. It's not homeopathic, it's not any
Speaker 1: of that bullshit. But it's like, oh this is there's
Speaker 1: just like literal and I'm out. It's no, it's not
Speaker 1: even that. It's like there's there's stuff. There's stuff in
Speaker 1: it because it's a lot, because because like alive, it's
Speaker 1: flower sort of right exactly. Like it also tastes like
Speaker 1: me to being forced to drink lemon honey, like when
Speaker 1: I was like a kid, just being like no, no,
Speaker 1: you have to have lemon and honey and stop making
Speaker 1: me drink this. It tastes like medicine. I understand that,
Speaker 1: but Manuka, honey might be sort of not not the gateway,
Speaker 1: but an exception. I'm willing to there's so much to explore,
Speaker 1: there's so much willing I'm willing to open my mind. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know thinking next, open your mind, open your mouth
Speaker 1: and open your mind, your big mouth. That is Oh
Speaker 1: my god, zing zinging. That was one of the goats,
Speaker 1: one of the goats, greatest of all times. Absolutely, thank you,
Speaker 1: man I was guessing at wut goat. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'm really proud. You should be so proud. You're the
Speaker 1: athletes here. This is huge, Max, It's this is such
Speaker 1: a pleasure. And you are only the third straight man
Speaker 1: to have Tim Popular Domino, John Gabres and finally, sorry Bill,
Speaker 1: I forgot you. Guys are true like American Canadian treasure.
Speaker 1: You have the most sterling reputation among Pierre's friends and
Speaker 1: fans that like I have ever encountered. People love you,
Speaker 1: and you know we're going to have to award you
Speaker 1: yea allied the year you take it away from who
Speaker 1: do we give it him? John Gabriel my brother. Now
Speaker 1: he doesn't need it, he doesn't need it. Um Wow,
Speaker 1: this is fantastic. Please check out his comedy line up
Speaker 1: special on Netflix, Big Mouth on Netflix October five. Yes,
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to say that we're going to
Speaker 1: be ending this episode right now with of course the song,
Speaker 1: which is the theme from A Star is Born. And
Speaker 1: for the rest of that song, you go see the film.
Speaker 1: Go see the film. This has been a Forever Dog production,
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