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Speaker 1: like unblinking, you know, statuesque as I just like bluff

423
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 1: burr and fast talk and like blank blank blank blank.

424
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so anyway, they're really getting away from you.

425
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: And You're like, I'm totally. I'm like, so, you know,

426
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: they don't know, but it's kind of fun and they lie,

427
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 1: and so there's a little bit of pustling and uh

428
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 1: and she's just just like, you know, if you're going

429
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: to be hosting the show, a lot of people are

430
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 1: going to be asking you what the show is about,

431
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: so you should probably get good at answering that question

432
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: in under twenty seconds and then looks away from me

433
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: and the producers just like, yeah, that's the energy we

434
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: were thinking Padbot, like perfect, perfect whole interview when it's

435
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: just me motor mouthing. The thing is, I've there. I

436
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: have one experience, um where somebody I think they didn't

437
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 1: mean anything by it, but shook me to my car,

438
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: which was my Seinfeld experience. I booked a thing Comedians

439
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: and Cars like years ago, where I played um, Jerry

440
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: Seinfeld and Michael Richards Michael Richard's assistant and so Jerry,

441
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 1: I guess you're crumbling down all my beliefs about the

442
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: veracity of comedians and cars. Jerry, I guess, doesn't shake hands. Yeah,

443
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: So I went up to shake his hand because he

444
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: actually had cast me for the part like he was

445
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: when I when I auditioned, Like no one knew that

446
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. It's like for this tiny part like

447
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: thing Crack days right well back when they were doing

448
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: like sketch and Michael Richards was like he played like

449
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 1: the head of Crackle. That was the whole thing, Okay,

450
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: And so basically what happened was I'm there on set

451
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: and I'm excited. It's the first thing I've ever booked

452
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: and it's Seinfeld and so I booked it in the room,

453
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: I mean he chose me. And then then he called

454
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: me and he was like, Matt, come in here. I

455
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: was like, he knows my name. Oh my god. I

456
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 1: go up and it's him and it's like, um, this

457
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: like a guy who's like his head writer. And I

458
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: go to shake his hand and I say, this is so,

459
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: this is such an honor, thank you so much. He goes,

460
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,479
Speaker 1: I don't shake hands, and I was like okay. And

461
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: then I was he goes, this is my head writer.

462
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: This is so and so. And I go to shake

463
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: his hand and he goes, I don't shake hands either,

464
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: and I go oh for two. And they cocked their

465
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: head and they were like, well, this is gonna be great.

466
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, hadn't shot one thing, and

467
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: I was like ruined that man. My energy in those

468
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: situations is I would be like, well, I ope, you're

469
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: a hugger. You know. I'm always over, Like when I

470
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: sense a waiter not liking like light bits at the

471
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: top of the I'm just like, well, I'm I'm doubling down,

472
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: like I'm going to have like a whole routine of

473
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: where the menus are like it's as she just loses

474
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: patience and I just keep like getting sweatier and like

475
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: my collar getting looser or whatever I've taken as well,

476
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: What do you have any experience with the celebrity where

477
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: you were like, throw you you have to see a

478
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,239
Speaker 1: lot of celebs. But what are my experiences? I don't know.

479
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: Here's a good one we can share, Okay, what So

480
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: we did Vulture Festival. We were like hosting at Vulture Festival.

481
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: We were doing like the press room and Julianna Margharie

482
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: and the publicist runs in and she's like, I don't

483
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: know what this is. But Juliette coming in and you know,

484
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: she's Julianna Margolis, Like she doesn't do like this. She

485
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: was like, she's like what if you guys have planned,

486
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: she's probably not gonna be game to do it. Just

487
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 1: just forget about it. And she's really cold, by the way,

488
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: it's really cold in this place, and she's freezing. She's freezing.

489
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: She has prepared answers about process and we were like,

490
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: oh my god. We were in these ridiculous suits, were

491
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: like not journalists were like, oh my god, it's like

492
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: Vulture fest, like right, the RuPaul's drag Riss recaps, that's

493
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: the only reason. First move is to touch everyone's hair,

494
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: like literally like we had just done something with Jonathan

495
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 1: Jonathan van Ness where we were just like screaming, like screaming,

496
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 1: and then Julianna comes in and we were so terrified.

497
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: It was Marty Well, first it was Marty Knox in yes,

498
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: who was a queen legend. And then um, oh may

499
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: may something that actress in Dietland. Yes, fantastic, So it

500
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: was it was for some Dietland pressed thing. So Marty

501
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: and this actress come in and then Julianna comes in

502
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: just clenched at her biceps, just like it's so so

503
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 1: cold in this room? Is is it gonna be as

504
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: cold and this from as it is in the other room,

505
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: And we were like, oh my god, no, this is

506
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: really going to happen. Were journalists were also in charge

507
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: of the temperature in all these rooms, so glad you asked?

508
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: So then she sits down and then like the cameras

509
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: start rolling and then what do we do? I mean

510
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: like this is all blurting me honest, Well, basically it

511
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: was like at that point it's like, well, we're still

512
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: going to be us, you know what I mean. So

513
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: then we start playing going to suddenly I'm not gonna

514
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: like I don't I wouldn't know what to ask Joanna

515
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: Margarlies about her process, like we we didn't know. So

516
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: we end up doing like a bit with her and

517
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: she actually was gained to do it, and then so

518
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: basically like by the end of it, she was like, oh,

519
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: like super like down the clown and like, why doesn't

520
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: my team let me do more bits? And then like

521
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: that that kept happening to like throughout the thing, like

522
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: the publicity people would come in and they'd be like,

523
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: m this is gonna be the way it is, and

524
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: don't straight from it and don't ask this question. And

525
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: literally one celebrity came in and we were asked explicitly

526
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: while he was right there this the publicist was like,

527
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: do not ask any questions about their personal life, and

528
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: he made a face at me like I'm so sorry.

529
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I mean of course we would.

530
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, publicists are often those people's worst

531
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: enemy of like they're being they're making everyone hate that

532
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: person on their back. But it's like about the publicist thing.

533
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: But I also think it's probably there's some actors that

534
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: are like, I mean, it's just so fun comedians, I'd

535
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: love to do bits and then like having the past

536
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: done the like Liam Neeson and that Ricky Gervais show

537
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: where he's like wants to do an improv and just

538
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: like keep saying as full blown age. There's clearly actors

539
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: who like should be protected from riffing off the top

540
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: of their head where the publicist is like, you were

541
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: going to say such a horrible thing if you're allowed.

542
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: And then but by the end of the Julianna interview,

543
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: she came over does and she said, quote, well, you

544
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: two are a hoot and holler. And then she said

545
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: she said to me and she goes, you know, you

546
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: could be Matt Bohmer's little brother. And I was like wow.

547
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: I literally looked her in the eyes and I was like,

548
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: that's the best thing anyone's ever said to me. She

549
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: was like very kind. And but that's the thing is,

550
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: it's like you don't know who's who's telling the truth there.

551
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a weird situation because it's like the publicists

552
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: probably has been told by the celebrity before, like how

553
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: dare you let me do that? But also you know

554
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: they're overcompensating because they don't want to be put in

555
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: that situation. I always think every like I watched all

556
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: of the Good Wife really like Julianna Margarlie, She's amazing.

557
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: But I remember reading a thing um probably on Vulture

558
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: that like uh Les moon viz r I P thank

559
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: god had had. I guess the only way Julianna link

560
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: was is it Julianna Julianna, Juliana, Julianna Julianna. The only

561
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: way she was willing to do The Good Wife after

562
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: obviously being doing the grind of an hour drama for

563
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: so many years and she didn't want to get back

564
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: on those waters is she's like, I'm not gonna straighten

565
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: my hair and do hours in the chair to play

566
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: this like waspy, like whatever's wife. So she's like, if

567
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: we can figure out a wig situation and didn't like her,

568
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, her hair the whole time. It's like a

569
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: very expensive wig. So she could go up and plug

570
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: it in and save herself like you know, over the

571
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: eight seasons, but that it was like such a success

572
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: to convince like this lead nervous about the TV that

573
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: we like that wigs or the future that Les Moon

574
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: Viz would like farm out Julianna Margati's to like sit

575
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: down with other actresses nervous about doing TV or taking

576
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: weird character swings, being like, no, no, you can do

577
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: it in a wig. Like Julianna will have like show

578
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: and she would she be like, I'd love to talk

579
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: to other actors about how great it is to just

580
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: wear a wig every days. But I just what used

581
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: to like imagine these like weird generals or whatever at

582
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: the self Beverly Grill just being like, you know, oh

583
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: my god, that's crazy. Your kids go to cross roads

584
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: and like, oh we thought it anyway, bigs Okay, yeah,

585
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: we'll do the Artichok tips of wigs. You know, like,

586
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: what is your experience in the past been with the whigs?

587
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: Because the technology is whatever, That technology is crazy. It's

588
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: moving quickly. Because now I'm trying to think back to

589
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: the Good Wife and think, was there ever a time

590
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: when she was I was like that, when it was

591
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: like pulled back or something. Yeah, your kids going to

592
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: cross roads? My god. And the thing is I'm happy

593
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: you brought up Less Moon Vez because I've been waiting

594
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: to talk about this on the pod. So Julie Chen

595
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: is going to leave the talk. Just saw that headline today, right.

596
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: We're triumphant about it because she came after us. She

597
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: came after us because at that very same Vulture Festival,

598
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 1: we interviewed Tracy Morgan and maybe you don't remember this,

599
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: but there was that weird thing about Tracy Morgan's talking

600
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: about Tiffany Hattish like that, but they worked together, yes,

601
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: And so we we were doing and we didn't even

602
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: know Tracy was coming, and no Harry publicist ran in

603
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: and said, we were told all day Tracy is not

604
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: doing this room. Were like, great, and was he doing

605
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: press for? And so then he finally comes in and

606
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: then he sits down and he's giving us great vibes,

607
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: and then like we start the interview. And then the

608
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: first thing we asked him is, uh, congrats on the

609
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: lasto G. How does it feel to be working with

610
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: all these great actors um like Tiffany Harnish And then

611
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: he goes, we're not going to talk about her. He

612
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: said that, Yeah, he said that, And then but then

613
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: it became this thing that he became this longer meditation

614
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: about how it takes so many people to make a

615
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: successful TV show, and he's memorized every crew member's names,

616
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: and it was a beautiful sort of he was on

617
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: that if you're going to ask about Tiffany, asked about said,

618
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: ask about the crew, asked about craft services, and he's like,

619
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: I know all their names, and so I'm thinking, like

620
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: we're doing a little bit of a bit now, but

621
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: he's hard to read. So then the way it was

622
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: edited down and the way it got picked up in

623
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: the media was like Tracy Morgan talk about Tiffany Haddish.

624
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: So they planned on the talk and Miss Julie Chen says,

625
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Julie. Sorry, Julie invest signing off confidently standing

626
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: with her abuser husband important to nail this home is

627
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: the real big brother. So Julie Chen Moonves says, you know,

628
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was really kind of disrespectful of the

629
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: interviewers to ask a question about the co star when

630
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: the star of the show was sitting right there. When meanwhile,

631
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: a to act like she's never asked someone about their

632
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: co star and her entire journalistic career is truly insane

633
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: and be the whole point of what he was saying

634
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: was shine a light on other people, all the stars.

635
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: So it was truly insane. So like Julie Chen Moonvez's

636
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: downfall is one that we are we're we're just fine with,

637
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: We're just fine with. I mean, yeah, he's the Howard

638
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: stuff today was interesting Howard Howard sting that came after

639
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: and after and both of them. I mean it it

640
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: feels hard to it's hard to separate the total him

641
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: when you're you know, like a badass unit. Yeah. Well

642
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: he was like, how are you going to leave? Like

643
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: you're going to leave the talk and like where women

644
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: talk about these things that to slap in the face

645
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: two women, you know, to side and he was mainly

646
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,479
Speaker 1: saying to side with Les Moonves right now. Totally truly crazy. Yeah,

647
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: but I mean, of course, like, of course she is right.

648
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: Of course, of course I think she's old school. But

649
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: that's a very good wife narrative, very good wife narrative.

650
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: My god, that's definitely like an easy thing to put

651
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: in the like, like, well for season three, we're thinking that,

652
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, like just really thought it out. But how

653
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: was a good show The Good Wife? Huh? So I

654
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: haven't watched the new Yeah, here that's great. Yeah, I

655
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: I never I never got into I'm still in the

656
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: the first couple of seasons where it's still like a procedural.

657
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I still like The Good Wife. I feel like the

658
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: reason it's hard to get into The Good Wife is

659
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: because now you have all these prestige shows that are

660
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: like twelve episodes, and The Good Wife was still harkening

661
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: back to the era four episodes seasons, and it's just like, really,

662
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't love um cooling out with comedy

663
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: as far as binging goes, like, that's just like if

664
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: I'm cooking or whatever, that's usually not what I want

665
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: to put on. But Good Wife is a show where like,

666
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: because it's twenty four episodes, because it's only semi serialized,

667
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: it's not like, well, I gotta sit down and watch

668
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: my homework. It's like blowing through four at a time

669
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: while I'm like half paying attention. You know, I maybe

670
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: have missed some scenes totally. That's interesting that you feel like,

671
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: So do you feel like when you are watching comedy shows,

672
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: other comedy shows that you're not working on, it feels

673
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: like homework. No no, I was talking about prestige drama homework,

674
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: but comedy is just it's more the serial serialized thing

675
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: where I there's so much TV to watch that people

676
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: will be like, well, you have to check out this

677
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: comedy show, and I'll watch it and like it, but

678
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: it will never occur to me to keep watching. So

679
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: why I thought Search Party was so effective of just

680
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: like give you the thinnest not that it's thin, but

681
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: just like just a little bit of a thread that

682
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: I want to watch the next one, rather than being like, okay,

683
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: that felt that felt good. Anytime I do watch good comedies,

684
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: I enjoy them. I just mostly I'm like, I'd rather

685
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: watch this show about you know, a pile of dead

686
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: British children found you know in a rectory or whatever.

687
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, I don't so fucking into When it was

688
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: on The Killing, Oh my god, that was the thickest,

689
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: darkest show you could ever imagine. It was truly like

690
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: and then that show would happen because it was it

691
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: was thirteen episodes whatever, they would just have three episodes

692
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: were being like, oh, you know, you know, like you know,

693
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: when we found that like the pile of kid toes,

694
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: we thought that was probably the guy that has been

695
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: cutting off kids heads. It actually and that was just

696
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: a separate, separate kid toe thing that's not really central

697
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: as kids are alive. And and by the way, here's

698
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: thirteen minutes of the mother from last season still heaving. Stop.

699
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: Remember remember all the deep grief we thought we at

700
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: least would move past that. We'll just come back around

701
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: to scream about you know, I love that. The height

702
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: it was like the first two seasons was still based

703
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: on that first case of the girl, and then the

704
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: third season was I think they took like a year

705
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: off and then they came back and they were like

706
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: the heightened was fifteen times more dead kids. It was

707
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: like you thought there was just one. No bitch, we're

708
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: killing a lot of kids. And we had to get

709
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: a bigger back co from Oregon to come clean out

710
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: the dead kids. We filled a swamp full a dead

711
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: kid and some of the dead kids had kids, and

712
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: like their kids are underneath. Did you watch the Killing? Now?

713
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: I watched the Killing with someone I was dating, and

714
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: I remember it was I guess we were in a

715
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: dark place because I was dating this guy and we

716
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: were watching the Killing and then like the first time

717
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: we were gonna like hook up, he goes you know

718
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: what album we have to listen to Adele. This this

719
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: is the real thing that happened. This is a psychopath.

720
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so our life is devastating.

721
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: It didn't work out. But I mean like every time

722
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: he said that he heard from a friend, it's like

723
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: like that that was the good album to hook up to.

724
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: Know why I did that? That is like your your

725
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: Pavlov That sets the mood. Anytime it's like, you know,

726
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: an album, we have to listen to Adele and you're like,

727
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna take a quick shower of

728
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: hand job too, don't you remember? Oh my god, that's

729
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: like someone yeah, wanting to get blown to, like Blue

730
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: by Joanie, Like yes, put on put on de'angelo, anything else.

731
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: I masturbate to bosh the show on. I don't watch it.

732
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: I just need to have, you know, some saxophone sounds

733
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: of him driving around away. Here's a sexy question. Music

734
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: or no music during the sexy time? Oh, I've done either,

735
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: but I love it. I love a good little soundtrack soundtrack.

736
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: I almost never listen to music, like there's something about it.

737
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: There's music on in the house, but like there's there's

738
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: such an artifice not that like sex, especially in a

739
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: long term relationship, doesn't have quite a bit of artifice

740
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: around right anyway, But like there's such a I've always

741
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: felt so self conscious about the vibe of like picking

742
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: a playlist any time I would read like a New

743
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: York mag sex diary or something like real thing of

744
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: someone being like, oh they always had sex to like

745
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: this R and B album. I'm like, you, like go

746
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: to your phone and like cast it to your Apple TV,

747
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: Like you know this song is a little too like

748
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: bass heavy or like I just also the intensity of

749
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: it can creep up on you, Like I remember my

750
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, like the second or third time we had

751
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: sex like one plus one by Beyonce Come On, which

752
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: is about being eternally in love and having like true

753
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: ground swell like love making, And she's like, what should

754
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: you want to hold Beyonce thing? You might do a

755
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: shuffle and like like one of your own like voice memos,

756
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: like there's a good bit a voiceover audition from your

757
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: voice memo, just being like you whatever, like trying to

758
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: like something. It's a footwell and so the footwell. It

759
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: said that they were looking for naturalistic, but then the

760
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: guy they went with I mean this guy's theater train.

761
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean he's booming here. I'm like, you're like in someone.

762
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: Um wait, but that's not to say that you have experience,

763
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: of course blasting the classical music. So that the Now

764
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: we're going to get back to what you said, Bowen,

765
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: which was about in the special, it's revealed that during

766
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: during metime you had to block out the sounds of

767
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: the children who went to the elementary school that you

768
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: lived next. Literally, yes, that's a horrifying thing. Yeah, so

769
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, do either you guys live in Williams work. Okay,

770
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: So it's the school on Metropolitan and Leonard. It's like

771
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: it's like a it's a grade school. And like something

772
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: I forgot with the bit is that most people that

773
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: know schools and like the suburbs, like there is grass

774
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: and there are like things to climb on and fields

775
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: like city schools are just like sound. It's it's asphalt

776
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: and like cage and brick, yeah, and traffic right there

777
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: and like so this sound was that much and the

778
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: kids didn't have anything to do except scream run around

779
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: in a circle. Yeah exactly, just screaming each other. And

780
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: like I was writing at home alone and constantly procrastinating

781
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: and like ten feet away and was always I don't

782
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: talk about this as much in the bit, but I

783
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: like I I like, at some point, all these people

784
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: that have come out as um like dark perverts in

785
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: a way that's gotten I don't want to misuse a

786
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: term perfect brix perversion implies a certain normally you know,

787
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: but that have come out is like, oh, there's something

788
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: graduated to like sexual assault or like disrespect other people.

789
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: At some point, like at some point they did cross

790
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: the threshold and just be like, oh the thing that

791
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: I I didn't mean to jerk off in front of

792
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: someone the first time that I did, but like but

793
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: it didn't kind of have huge consequences and that was

794
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: like definitely the best time I ever jerked out. Like

795
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: that's at some point, as circumstances came together. They weren't

796
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: like I imagine and I don't know and not a psychologist.

797
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: They weren't born with an impulse to just be like,

798
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, that's specifically what it's you know, like it

799
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: things happen and escalator whatever. So I weirdly like always

800
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: living next with school just felt like I'm just an

801
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: adult with weird thoughts, and I watch pornography and I like,

802
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: but there's just innocence there and I don't know, you're

803
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: giving this all the the appropriate contours, I think, so

804
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: thank you for doing that. But that is crazy though. Yeah,

805
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: they're there, and also they're the that's the loudest stage

806
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: you can't and you're in your special about like it's

807
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: truly just when you get to recess, you just scream

808
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: and the kids just screaming, and you're in your home

809
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: that you own. Yeah, and you're well within your rights

810
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: to procrastinate quote unquote any time anyway you would like.

811
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: If anything, they've transgressed by putting their screams into my

812
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: personal space. I'm doing due diligence to keep my business

813
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: out of theirs. You know. If anything, they should come

814
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: knock at the door and thank me. You know what,

815
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I want. And actually that's the thing

816
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: I just discovered. That teacher knocking on my door and

817
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: thanking me just as I finished is my thing. Hey,

818
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: just we all very much. Yeah, it also used to

819
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: be and I don't I guess it's because I would

820
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: like be thinking about weird stand up premises. Well, there

821
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: was children around like they always used to park busses

822
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: on my street and around the corner that would have

823
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: these signs in the back that said um, like printed

824
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: out on paper taped to the back door window that said,

825
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: um no sleeping children inside. And I think it was

826
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: a thing of like just someone has checked, the bus

827
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: can drive away. There's not like we know all the

828
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: kids are off the bus. We don't have a situation

829
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: where it's like in the heat of a depot in Queens.

830
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: Just like the idea of like that was like like

831
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: who would volunteer for that job? Just like I love

832
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: to check check for kids. Yeah, and they're these kids

833
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: are like exhausted, they haven't had breakfast. They just oh

834
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, I'll carry them out. No, no, no,

835
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: trust me, trust me. I'm really good. Yeah, I'm really

836
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: I can respond. Yeah. No, I'll take my shoes off

837
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: before you get in the bus. So I don't wake them.

838
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: You're welcome to wake them. That's actually a big part

839
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: of it. No, you can't wake they're angels because then

840
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: we won't know if they're sleeping. Were the sleeping So anyway,

841
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: I got fired because I kept putting up a sign

842
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: that said no sleeping angels, and they said, you have

843
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: to say no sleeping children angels. So take yourself back

844
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: to the time when you were the angel, the angelic Cheruba. Sure. Yeah,

845
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: And now we'll ask you the question that we ask

846
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: all of our guests, which is Max, what is the

847
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: culture that made you say? Culture is for me? This

848
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: is a piece of culture or just a larger cultural

849
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: concept like the town you grew up in, or a movie,

850
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: a book, a play, whatever it is that sort of

851
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: set you off in this path. Um. You know, I

852
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: gotta say the culture um for me, that both kind

853
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: of like I don't know, taught me about the first

854
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: culture I got obsessed about, obsessed about like part of

855
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: the fun for me and culture and Internet has made

856
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: it a little bit easier. Is like searching out more

857
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: of a thing and being able to find a thing

858
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: and knowing more about it and being a completist. In

859
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: this collection vibe, it's something millennial and I'm right on

860
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: the edge. You guys get it. Uh, But it was

861
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: goose Bumps, the original goose Bumps here mr st Mr

862
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: arl Stein, And you know I never got into the

863
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: later like he you know, he continues to create the

864
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: franchises keep like bubbling out. But for you know, when

865
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: I first got into them, and like I guess maybe

866
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: it was like the fourth, fifth, sixth grade. Um, I

867
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: was like always a super reader as a kid, Like

868
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: I was an only child. We did a lot of

869
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: like road trips for my parents, like work and stuff,

870
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: and I could read in the car, so they library

871
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: books and books. They were always happy to like whatever

872
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: you need. But that was the first thing where I'm like, oh,

873
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: this is number two, and like you go in a

874
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: certain Walden books and they have like one, seven, ten,

875
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: and fourteen, but it's like, oh, I've never seen six around.

876
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: Like the idea of ordering online and all that stuff

877
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: didn't exist. So like it was this excitement of like collection,

878
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: a collection of like I want them all, I want

879
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: to read them all. I want to have a bookshelf

880
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: that shows all the pretty colors of like one through forty.

881
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: So that like prime set of goose bumps, like was

882
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: when I became in middle school in high school, like

883
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: obsessive about my fandom about or just about the completest

884
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: thing is important here because it's just about filling a

885
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: set or of just having a thorough breadth of everything

886
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: about this one thing and saying I know every thing

887
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: about this and saying I'm the guy that has like

888
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: more goose bumps than you, like, you know, like a

889
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: kid being like, oh I read that one. I'm like,

890
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: well did you read all the other ones? And you know,

891
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like that weird. I'm a little o

892
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: C d uh, just a little obsessive in some ways.

893
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: And there's the ability to be like, well, I want

894
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: to read them in order. I want I want to

895
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: know all the side stories. And you know, I'm just

896
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: gonna like and going this little thing and I'm gonna

897
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: write I'm gonna a word document that has the list

898
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: of the ones I had, Like all that's mellowed in

899
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: my adult you know, learning about priorities and such, But

900
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: as middle schooler, that was the beginning of that. So

901
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that came out of that.

902
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: That's a great one. Was that an entry point until

903
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: like you're liking more scary ship it? Weirdly it like

904
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: for me. For me, it wasn't because as a fellow

905
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: goose bumps, now this is it's all coming not to me.

906
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't about horror. It was just about the franchise.

907
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, and they were like I think it was

908
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: definitely about getting into novels. They were page turners in

909
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: a way that not all chapter books. Y a chapter books,

910
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't even need all that why it's almost younger

911
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: than that. But like a lot of times they weren't scary.

912
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: They're almost silly. But every two page chapter just ended

913
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: with like uh And then Shelly opened the closet and

914
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: there was a shark and you turn the page to

915
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: be like, actually, it was a stuff Doug left that

916
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: I forgot. They were like that are like foll your

917
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: feet out from you, like nothing there, Like it's just

918
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: like the thinnest of mysteries and you go to the

919
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: next gooey number and the chap and also like that

920
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: started my my fandom for trippy fonts. I don't know

921
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: if everyone knows that I love trippy fonts. I think

922
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: letters are melting, or they wet or they sweating. I

923
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: think that's kind of a big thing. I think they're gooey.

924
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: I think they don't think. I don't think it's more

925
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: more complicated than that. Okay, best in the series for you,

926
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: um are you staying out of the basement? Queen not

927
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: of the Living dummy, not living dummy. And I actually like,

928
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: I haven't even seen the new Ghosts goose Bumps movie.

929
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: It's like it's not hitting like it no longer. I

930
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: don't have that connection to it. When the I saw

931
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: the trailer for the new one, say you were like,

932
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it like brought this stuff out and sloppy

933
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: as iconic, sloppy as canon slappy, don't. I mean he

934
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: is the like iconic scary ventriloquist dummy, you know, like

935
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: that those those eyebrows, the mouth, I looks like us.

936
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: He looks like he looks like Teddy Perkins from Atlanta. Right,

937
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: did you watch it this season? Like I've seen that

938
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: episode I watched, but but Donald Glover is in whitefaced

939
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: as this crazy looking person, and it just looks I

940
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: think whoever vision boarded this, whoerever like whatever sloppy on

941
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: his reference absolutely guaranteed. I was talking with um somebody

942
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: the other day about like they were like, why isn't

943
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: there like an alt comedy ventriloquist, And I really think

944
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: that like ventriloquism, like I was into magic. I was

945
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: into comedy as a kid, Like I like the idea

946
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: that stuff like vul it seems so hard. It seems

947
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: so hard, Like, no, no person who's doing a joke

948
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: about ventriloquism is going to learn how to do it,

949
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: to learn to be good at both things. Yeah, I

950
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: was trying for the longest time to either build or

951
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: buy or commission like a robot like like like a

952
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: like a robot head face thing that would just like

953
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: do comedy with you that I would like program things

954
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: to say, but also like you could program it to

955
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: blow you. I couldn't mean that's what he's eventually and

956
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: like you're like recursive learning it like it would you

957
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: wanted to. I wanted to. You want it to decide

958
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: to learn to blow You don't want to. You don't

959
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: want to. You're not. It's not your because then that's

960
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: just too much of a god complex. But if it

961
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: also want it could it could replace carams lit Oh

962
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: my god, wait, goose Bumps, Okay, you guys need to

963
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: say no to more things. Oh my god, wait, but

964
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what I'm realizing now it's

965
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: goose Bumps is bleeding in with me with are You

966
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Afraid of the Dark, which also was for you that

967
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: was very like are you afraid of Dark as a

968
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: weird show where I used to babysit on Saturday nights,

969
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: um like when I was maybe in like a second

970
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: grade or something like that. And snick and are You

971
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: Afraid of Dark? Was like big, that'd be right before

972
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: they'd come home. That would be the last thing I thought.

973
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: People in Hollywood like, I didn't know it was Canadian

974
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: until I was like nineteen years old, and like everyone

975
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: is just like, you know, what are you being so

976
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: like nervous about it? Like come on, like it's just

977
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: a deep Canadian show. But I thought that's what Like

978
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: the child actor accent was, Oh they talked different. That's like,

979
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not the Valley, but it's like

980
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: that must be just l A not knowing it was

981
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 1: just it's a weird It's it's like this. It's everybody

982
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: just like, come on, we gotta be serious. I just

983
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: didn't know. I don't do a great Canadian But they

984
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: don't sound they don't sound like that show was truly scary.

985
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: Are You Free of the Dark was you? We've talked

986
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: about this on the pod before, but there's also sticky

987
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: letter also are You Free of the Dark? It was

988
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: the Magic Match a slab Sarah. Fun it was big

989
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: and bold design queen slap Sarah. But of course, I mean, listeners,

990
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: you've heard us talk about this episode before. But the

991
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: iconic episode for me is the ta and or one

992
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: of them one of a lizard turns into one of them,

993
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: and then the girl has to decide which one is

994
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: her friend, which one is the lizard, like who has

995
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: become a Maori sister? Like in the talking you know

996
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: it's she has to shoot one of them with water

997
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: and guess what she shoots? You find out the wrong one?

998
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it ends? Why does it? Why does

999
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: water kill the real one's? It was a signs type

1000
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: they had twenty three Wait was Are You Afraid of

1001
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: the Dark? Do they have like three stories in each

1002
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: episode or was it? I think it was full. It

1003
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: was full. The first anthology, the first anthology theories. I

1004
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: mean that's and Tamara, Are You Afraid of the Dark

1005
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: was a precursor to everything. Ryan Murphy is just that

1006
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: claim bold claim. I claim it boldly. Also, I just

1007
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: like I remember being just jealous of the bumper, the

1008
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: idea that like these it's kind of know each other

1009
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: and they all just like meat in the woods and

1010
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: it's like it all worked out with no cell phones.

1011
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: They're allowed out, like this is there a sexual energy here?

1012
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: Like whatever? You know, Oh you're finally here the spot

1013
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: in the woods, sitting on the rock, boys might behind perkin,

1014
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, the rough Yeah, and we throw sand onto

1015
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: the fire, and the sand was always the sexiest part.

1016
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: They would know the stand on the thing, snuff it

1017
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: would snuff it would. I forgot about the frame. I

1018
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: totally forgot about It's it's a sexy frame. But yeah,

1019
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: those kids, those kids had something. Man um, did you

1020
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: watch the goose Bumps TV show? I watched the originally,

1021
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: but I think made me realize it was like after

1022
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 1: I kind of settle on the books, but they were

1023
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: doing one to one adaptations of the series I've read,

1024
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: but I remember realizing I'd gotten better reading. I remember

1025
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: realizing like, oh, these books must be pretty thin if

1026
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: they can get everything in one app sure, Like it

1027
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: wasn't like, well, we're the first book will be the

1028
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: first season we're thinking and it was just like, yeah,

1029
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: that was it. That was There were two turns. You know,

1030
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: I've never thought about that, Like a good feeling that

1031
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: comes with like watch seeing your books in a row.

1032
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like gorgeous. I don't even I didn't

1033
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: even realize I was doing this, but I do it

1034
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: with Harry Potter too, I like line them all up,

1035
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: and mother's me to to this day. I know, I know,

1036
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: I can totally, I can feel that in my body.

1037
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: How good that probably feels. But it bothers me so

1038
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: much that my Sorcerer's Stone is a paperback. Yeah, you

1039
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: need them are hardcover. I need to go buy the

1040
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, now that you're a successful adult ran with

1041
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: a wildly successful podcast empire, there is this company and

1042
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I plug it correctly. I got in a

1043
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: gift from my girlfriend. Uh. They basically they will take

1044
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: any book you want, um and they will make a

1045
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: custom like binding and uh cover four it that you

1046
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: can have like four your like uh like art that

1047
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: goes across all the books. So like my girlfriend and

1048
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: she especially loves the like Elena Ferrante novels, and like

1049
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: they have only ever been out in paperback in English,

1050
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: but like this company made hardcover versions and then and

1051
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: then made like a cover that like sits It's almost

1052
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: like an art piece that sits in your shelf. And

1053
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: like one image goes across and they do like custom

1054
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: that's not like the catalog. It's worth it just to

1055
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: get the catalog on the mail because they like obviously

1056
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: have these demo wall bookshelves that are like all the

1057
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: classics but like all in like Sepia with the same

1058
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: fonts and just like batches of images across five So

1059
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: it just feels like looking at this like mural with

1060
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: your books. It's so hard. I'm rock hard. Promo code caramels.

1061
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: That's it. Okay, Well I have we we need to

1062
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: talk about Goosebumps more. Was it was it? U? No,

1063
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: this is huge for me. This is huge for me

1064
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: Max because the series was very good. The series was

1065
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: a Fox. It was Fox. I was in Canada, it

1066
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: was white TV for for a minute. That's much where

1067
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: I watched it. But um, the Haunted Mask adaptation was

1068
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: masterful because the mask that they got, so it's basically this,

1069
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: they get this mask, they put it on. It's haunted,

1070
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: it's crazy, it has it does crazy things to the kids.

1071
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: Well it turns the kid evil. And the mast for

1072
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: it was truly like Emmy worthy props. Wait, was it

1073
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: like a large mask green? Yes? Remember they it's like

1074
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: green Goblin style. It was like, yes, the art, like

1075
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: the art is very evocative, Like I would show you

1076
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: a picture and you would be like, oh my god,

1077
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: yes this is I think I also remember reading and

1078
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: this could be apocryphal. And all Stein's on Twitter, I'm

1079
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: sure he can correct this. Uh that for a lot

1080
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: of like that series, he would come up with the

1081
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: title in the cover image before the reverse engineered from there.

1082
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: You know, like just this idea of like you know,

1083
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: the boy with the you know, wasp in his brain

1084
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: or whatever, but like and they just have like an

1085
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: age of like wasp eyes or something, and then like

1086
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: be like, okay, I can imagine that, like a kid's

1087
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: at camp and he gets whatever. Like I'm always very

1088
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: impressed by the business. The business you can pump them out.

1089
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: But because sometimes I'm gonna say something, sometimes the content

1090
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: of the books didn't live up to the art. I

1091
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: mean it can't possibly, especially when that idea comes first.

1092
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: And I will say that, like part of this collector

1093
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: thing at birth in me was like the object, the

1094
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: physical object, and the hunt was as important to me

1095
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: in my fandom as the content. You know, Like I

1096
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: I in middle school in early high school, I got

1097
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: really into like Star Wars novels, like the expanded universe

1098
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: before all the prequels can for you, you know, I

1099
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: I see that's another fandom. I like pulled my foot

1100
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: off the like I'll see the movies, but I'm not like, well,

1101
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: I've got a delete thrawn out of my database, like

1102
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: I live in a very casual way with that now.

1103
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: But I liked um. I liked holding them. I like

1104
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: the look of like it's trilogy and this like that.

1105
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: Even if the book was weird, I still was like,

1106
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna read it all. I'm still gonna put

1107
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: it on the shelf, like I liked finding it and

1108
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: having it as much as you know, I was really hard,

1109
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: like I was like on the Star Wars website. So

1110
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: it's very kind of and I know all about the

1111
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: novels that extended the universe and everything. So it's hard

1112
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: to see the movies now because they've literally thrown that

1113
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: all out, which is very confusing. Yeah, and I liked

1114
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: some of the choices they had made back then. Lucas,

1115
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: yeah all that. The kids, Yeah, the kids were great twins.

1116
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: Jaden and right, yes, Jaden and whatever. And now it's

1117
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: like in in um My God, what was the name

1118
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: of the last movie? Last Jedi? You spoiler alert for

1119
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: people haven't seen The Last Jedi you find out that

1120
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: Ray has no familial connection to the Skywalkers at all,

1121
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: which is I guess was like their big reviews. It's

1122
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: very it's very uh, it's the big sci fi eighth grade.

1123
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: All our stories are important, and the point is you

1124
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't just you shouldn't judge your own story if it

1125
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: doesn't match up to the ones in the big screen.

1126
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: It's true. Bo Burnham, What's up at Me? Following that

1127
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: was the movie what I mean? And he was a

1128
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: great interview at Multura Fest. He was so nice. He

1129
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: was a sweetheart, so sweet. Have you met him? No? Yeah, yeah,

1130
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: I know him a little bit. Oh No, I didn't

1131
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: want to ask you. I want to ask would really quickly?

1132
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: Have you met all? That's what I was. No, he

1133
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: is at really he has done the monologues for ASCAT

1134
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: I think a couple of times, like one time he

1135
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: did that shown, which is like they do a monthly

1136
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: late night show with I've been there, I've been at

1137
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: u c be like several times when he's like rolling

1138
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: through when they're like preparing the green room and everything,

1139
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: like r L is a he's a little I mean

1140
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: that's like all the more power too, and I'm sure

1141
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: that would be delightful to you meet him or see

1142
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: him on that stage. He's someone that like I liked.

1143
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: I liked the lack of access I had to his persona,

1144
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: his process and was like, Oh, you're a spooky man

1145
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: that just like, where do these ideas come from? I

1146
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: bet you live in a weird like main Stephen King

1147
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: scary thing and just like I don't know my fingers

1148
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: one stuff typing. And then to have him just be like,

1149
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, follow me on my Space and like I'm

1150
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: doing a meet and greed and like very out and

1151
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: about like people that like are into knowing. Beverley Cleary

1152
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: is not who I'm thinking. Who's just like Judie Blue

1153
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: and that she's like on Twitter and like we d

1154
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: M or whatever. I'm just like, I don't interesting. But

1155
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: arl Stein statement out speaking about statements about who's gay

1156
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: and who's not. Because every spec pilot I've ever written,

1157
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: I years later sent all the production companies had gone

1158
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: out to a statement about who's game. You know everyone

1159
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: you thought was they wasn't that you know, this never

1160
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: went beyond the second drafts in our meeting didn't go great.

1161
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: But I just like you to know that those two

1162
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: characters they do end up getting married. There was a

1163
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: great ClickHole thing. Whoever wrote it, Uh, ClickHole was like

1164
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: a cross crossing a line. Dick Carroll has revealed the

1165
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: has crowns um because okay, but he always had so

1166
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: he peeled back somewhere even back in the day where

1167
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: at the end of each Goosebumps book he'd be like,

1168
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: now and come join the Goosebumps fan club, like remember

1169
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: those pages like those, Yeah, he would always want he

1170
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: always He's always been this person who's like wanted to

1171
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: interact with the Yeah, and I think like publishing as

1172
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: a thing, pre j k. Rowling has always wanted how

1173
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: do we get people? Like even more on the train

1174
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: of like he was an early guy that had a website,

1175
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: like if there had been social media, it was like,

1176
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, like there's a mailing list, we'll send you

1177
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: a newsletter, Like you know, they want that engagement. I

1178
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: just like always had this thing of being like I

1179
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: don't I'm happy with the books and I don't look

1180
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: look new creators, and I'm down to find out more

1181
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: about them. I'll stalk anybody's Instagram like a weird like

1182
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: director of a movie that I kind of like, would

1183
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: be like, well, I want know about you know, his life,

1184
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: but for that stuff from childhood, I'm like, I don't.

1185
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't need to, like now be your peer, wouldn't interesting?

1186
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: Like I never? I never, yeah, I never. I have

1187
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: never sought out information about J. K Rowling's life. I'm

1188
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: a Harry Potter person. But like whenever she's like has

1189
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: an interview, like and they're like, this is J. K

1190
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: rowling story, I'm like, I know her story. Her story

1191
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: is Harry. You don't watch the interview? No, I mean

1192
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: I've watched the interview, but oftentimes is great. I did

1193
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: watch the one with Opera. Did you like Harry Potter?

1194
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: You're Harry Potter? You know I enjoyed Harry Potter. I

1195
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: love the uh Cormer and Strike novels. Oh, what's those are? Robert?

1196
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: She wrote it under the super right, like they are fantastic,

1197
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: better than the Casual Vacancy. Uh. It's like it is

1198
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: like truly great, great detective writing and a sort of

1199
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: pulpy but she's like a very very you know, great

1200
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: great literary writer. But they're straight for their mysteries, but

1201
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: like super well done, very re British, they're like and

1202
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: she like pumps them out almost the first three were

1203
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: one a year. I think in the midst of everything else,

1204
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: she's putting a play out in writing screen like she's incredible. Really,

1205
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: Like there's some writing in the Harry Potter books that

1206
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: is stunning, like when when when he died? When he

1207
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: dies and the ghost of the ghost of his last

1208
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: laugh still on his face when fred Fred Weasley dies

1209
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: and then um, just like the whole imagery around Cedric dying,

1210
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: Like how sudden that felt, and like that that just

1211
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: felt like she's good, the whole chapter where he's where,

1212
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: where he's dead at King's crossed, Like do you perfectly

1213
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: match up with my girlfriend's sister who is the biggest

1214
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: Harry Potter So is my girlfriend, but the sister is

1215
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: the exact age. Actually I do perfectly match up you do.

1216
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: I never even thought of that. I was like, oh

1217
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: my god, that must have been unbelievable to get that

1218
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: book every August or whatever legitimately start seventh grade legitimately

1219
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: did you read it as they came out. I grew

1220
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: up with them, but that one was so That's what

1221
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: was so weird about it is it was like when

1222
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: that the tone of the books changed, I almost didn't

1223
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: notice because my kind of perception of of of like

1224
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: the dramatic sticks was also changing, like I felt like,

1225
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: and then you read them back and that first book

1226
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: is genuinely written at a different reading totally well, but

1227
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 1: like they matched up for us towards the end because

1228
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: the last one came out when we were seniors in

1229
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: high school. I think that you're right, yeah, because the

1230
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: first one I read in fourth grade would have been

1231
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: a little bit younger totally, So they ended up matching

1232
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: towards the end. And then like when the movies first

1233
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: came out, and that's when they matched. When they cast

1234
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: the kids as the actors, they were the same, they

1235
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: were the same age as It was crazy, and I

1236
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,439
Speaker 1: remember reading a reading like a casting breakdown or whatever.

1237
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: It was like only looking I don't know why this

1238
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: is coming out in British, only looking for British actors. Yeah,

1239
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: it was like heartbreaking. And my dad said to me,

1240
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: you know what, if you worked hard enough, you could

1241
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: be Harry Potter. I was like, I don't think they're

1242
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: checking from me. Dad. He's like, if you worked hard

1243
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: enough and you put your mind to it, you would

1244
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: be Harry Potter's casting guys. They're on your side. All

1245
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: they want to do is find a good tape exactly.

1246
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: They don't know what they want until they see. But

1247
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: wait now, I do want it. Before we got on,

1248
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: before we started the pod, we were having a really

1249
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: good conversation you guys about Mr Holland's Open and I

1250
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: want to share one thing. Well, one thing is my dad.

1251
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: We were watching Mr Holland's Opus and there's the character

1252
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: of Rowenna, who is the teen girl that Mr Holland

1253
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: almost fucks, he fully and then he encourages her moving

1254
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: away to the second act, temptation of being like your

1255
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: man with a kid and a wife, responsibilities and just

1256
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: but you got the student. It's just like, I mean,

1257
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: she's got something in her eyes. I mean there's a

1258
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: spark and when she left the town. My dad had

1259
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: a classic land which I only just recalled in this

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Speaker 1: conversation before, which was, let me tell you something, I

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Speaker 1: don't think she makes it because I don't know anybody

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Speaker 1: out there named Rowenna, and what's like, like, does he

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Speaker 1: mean and he could mean both make it that if

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Speaker 1: the character had made it, she'd be famous, be like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is from or that she in

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01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: some weird time loop. She the character makes it so

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Speaker 1: big that people are now naming their children after the

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Speaker 1: fictional It's a weird world within a world. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where his mind was existing at the time. I

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Speaker 1: just remember he was like, well, she shouldn't have done that,

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Speaker 1: because I would tell you something. She didn't make it.

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Speaker 1: We don't hear anyone named Roguanna, like as if she

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be like a share Madonna. That's a

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Speaker 1: classic Rich Rogers. I cannot work out the logic of that.

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Speaker 1: This is I'm sure you guys don't watch this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I very much love the show Bosh uh. And it's

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Speaker 1: based on these novels named Bosh. But in the novels,

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Speaker 1: originally the character of Bosh is Rich because there was

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Speaker 1: a Bosch TV show based on a case of So

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Speaker 1: the TV show starts and he's got a Bosch poster

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Speaker 1: in his house and you're kind of like, okay, so

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Speaker 1: there's a different Bosch TV show in the TV universe. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it. But another weird thing about the novels,

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Speaker 1: and they've sold, you know, a hundred million copies is

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Speaker 1: The Lincoln Lawyer is the half brother of Bosh. It's

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Speaker 1: written by the same author. They also made a movie

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Speaker 1: of The Lincoln Lawyer with Matthew McConnelly. Yes, and they

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Speaker 1: do overlap in some of the novels. I guess I

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Speaker 1: haven't read those, but in a recent Bosh book. I'm

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Speaker 1: reading the book which is narrated by the actor who

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Speaker 1: plays Bosh an audiobook, he calls his half brother Mickey

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Speaker 1: Holler the Lincoln Lawyer, and his half brother answers, uh hey,

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Speaker 1: like hey, little brother, alright, alright, alright, And then in

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Speaker 1: the book it says his brother has taken to doing

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Speaker 1: a Matthew McConaughey impression after they made a movie based

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Speaker 1: on him starring Matthew McConaughey. So like in now the

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Speaker 1: universe of the Bosh novels, they there's the real Matthew

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Speaker 1: McConaughey movie, but it's nonfiction. It's nonfiction, and there's a

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Speaker 1: Bosch TV show that's not this. It's like strip and

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Speaker 1: you know what that is? Also it's in the Oceans

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01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: franchise now where there's Julia Roberts exists in the Oceans universe,

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: but Anne Hathaway doesn't. But then meanwhile, fucking Daphne Kluger does.

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01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: But then it's all, wait, okay, so you're saying, because

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Speaker 1: I been seen all the Oceans movies, Julia Roberts the

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01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: actress exists in the Oceans universe, and Julia Roberts plays account.

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Speaker 1: The big twist of the second movie is they keep

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01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: referencing talking about I think her name is Trish or

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01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: something cast you're going to pose as Julia Roberts, but

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01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: being like, you know what we could do because test does,

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Speaker 1: and everyone keeps being like she's not gonna do it, no,

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01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: and then they finally are like will you and they

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01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: and You're like they must not be talking about this,

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01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: and then it's like they are so like Bruce Willis

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Speaker 1: plays himself, it's like a whole because she happens to

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Speaker 1: be her identical stranger. It's like, it's so because in

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Speaker 1: any other movie where there are real celebrities in there,

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Speaker 1: you can like make some logical you can you can

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Speaker 1: suspend some disbelief and say, oh, every other celebrity accepted

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Speaker 1: that the actors who are playing these people exist in

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Speaker 1: this world. The only thing that would have made Oceans

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Speaker 1: a better is if Anne Hathaway that's true. I think

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Speaker 1: it would have made it so much funnier. And I

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01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: already think that movie was great and huge amazing for her.

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01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: Like I think, I think the public narrative on Ann

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01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: Hathaway right now is like so positively down for because

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01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: I like, she also got to play the I've only

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01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: seen half the movie. I'm sorry, but the heck, but

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Speaker 1: she gets to play She gets to make fun of

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Speaker 1: totally without having to be literal about it. She's not

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01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: so indulgent that she's playing and Hathaway is a big

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: buffoon or or whatever public I and she's playing this

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01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: like fake version. It's perfect. I think the way that

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Speaker 1: the character was conceived and presented and performed would have

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01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: been such a funny comment on Anne Hathaway. I just

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01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: think it. Soderberg would have taken that swings a little

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Speaker 1: Gary Gary Garry Ross, Cooper, Ross, very Ross. How many carrots?

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Speaker 1: Is it enough enough? She's very good, it's towards the delicious,

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01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: very good. Um Wait, we were having this conversation about

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01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: movies that unfailingly make his crap right. I was saying

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01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: that Mr. Holland's Opus is one of two films that

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01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: has a scene that I can access any time and

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01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: like make myself overcome. And it's not a movie that

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01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's the most important movie to me

1344
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: or the yes, we're Mr like like to win a

1345
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: fight with my girlfriend, you know, like a yeah. Mr

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01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: Hans opens when he uh he discovers that his retirement

1347
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: ceremony is actually the first performance of his American Symphony

1348
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: and he stands in the current raises and it's all

1349
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: his former students grown up and he chokes up Richard

1350
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: Dreyfussance and then Forrest Gump when at the end he

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01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: meets Haley Joe Osmond and he asked Robin, right, um,

1352
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: is he smart or is he stupid? Like? And She's like,

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01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: He's one of the smartest boys in this class. That's

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Speaker 1: a really good one. I'll say mine is the culmination

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01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: of Big Fish. When the father is dying and the

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Speaker 1: son has to tell him a story and basically he

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01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: just reveals that like they had this great adventure to

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01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: take him back to the river and then when they

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01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: get to the river to put the father in the

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01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: water so that he can be the big Fish. Um,

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: all his family and friends had were there waiting for

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Speaker 1: him and cheering, and none of them were sad. They

1363
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: were all so happy to see you. Oh my God.

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01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: And just the music. I can think of it at

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01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: any time if I want to cry, you can find

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Speaker 1: me in my room listening to the big Fish track.

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Speaker 1: So a question about that, because I don't remember that

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Speaker 1: scene perfectly. Is anyone on camera crying? Because that's my

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01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 1: big thing, Like if not that, any time I watched

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Speaker 1: someone cry, I cry. But like in those two movies,

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01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: it is like the first time you see those characters

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Speaker 1: like Buckle and like I was at a wedding this

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01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: weekend and like looking at an aunt I've never met

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01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: start to cry during bows when kick into me, Like

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01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: it's like laughter, begetting laughter, Like I get very social

1376
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: about it. So it's interesting that you're big Fish has

1377
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. They weren't crying, but they

1378
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: were very sure yes you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 1: I think there's a shot there's a shot of Helen

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01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: a bottom carter and she's like trying in of happiness,

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: and I'm just like and I honestly, I'll tell you

1382
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: what what what's doing it for me? There? The thing

1383
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: that I'm like keying into is the father son thing. Also,

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: have you ever seen the movie? I often talk about

1385
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: this movie? Um, oh my god? Why am I not

1386
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: able to think of Kira Sedgewick, Robert Downey Jr. Uh

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01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: Uh sorry sorry? Um, oh my god, Oh my god.

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: Heart and Souls. Heart and Soul, No, I've never seen it.

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01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: Heart and Souls is one of the like suddsist like

1390
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: soapy kind of movies. It's like literally it's Alfrey Woodard, Um,

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Speaker 1: Tom Sizemore, Uh, Kira Sedgewick and some other actor from

1392
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: that guy from this. It's just the movie in general

1393
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: is like they they're in a bus accident and they

1394
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: die and their souls are latched onto a young child,

1395
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. And he starts to see them around. Wait,

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Speaker 1: so this is super young Robert Downy Well, but he's

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01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: a child playing Robert Downey Jr. And then this this

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01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: the parents start to realize that their kids like a

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01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: little funked up because he sees these ghosts, but they

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: can't see write them. So he is all he's all weird,

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: and the parents like get divorced and it's horrible, and

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01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: we've got a whole crew of ghosts. He's got a

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01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: crew of ghosts that are like attached to him, and

1404
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: they don't know why. And so they when they say,

1405
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: we're kind of ruining those kids, like we have to

1406
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: leave him. And so they make a conscious decision to

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01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: all one time tell him we're going to leave you.

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: And they're his best friends. And this is the beginning

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01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: of the movie. So as they're all leaving him one

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01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: by one and Alfrey Ward is the last to go.

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01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: Alfree is the queen. It's actually culture number four is

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01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: the queen. And they all leave and this kid, this

1413
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: child actor is just crying weeping. This one from me

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01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:57,480
Speaker 1: but you need to see it also has Elizabeth shot Elizabeth. Yeah,

1415
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: it's really really really my god. But and then so

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 1: then us go on from there. It's so the ghosts

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01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,799
Speaker 1: are then they're able to see him, but but he can't.

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: So they essentially grow up with him, or they don't

1419
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: grow up them. They're there as themselves. But he grows

1420
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: up into Robert Downey Jr. And becomes like a douche

1421
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: and so then they hear to him again because they

1422
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: realize they need him to help them do their unfinished business.

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01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: And then the movie gets going. It's a really good movie.

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: It's really good, and it's like weepy and like early nineties,

1425
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: like when they used to make movies like this. But

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Speaker 1: Robert Downy Jr. You're so good. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: good scenes of like the ghost taking over his body,

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01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: so he'll like take on the characteristic stuff like Hera

1429
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: and Alfrey and Tom Sizemore, who's like crazy. Were they

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Speaker 1: were going to make that now, it would have to

1431
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: be faith based, like yeah, they're like, you know, Katherine

1432
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: Hegel and like another TV actor, and it would just

1433
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 1: be like, why isn't all the scenes in the daytime?

1434
01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: People would make it more complicitive. Enjoy the movie. Does

1435
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: it exist in the vacuum that it currently exists? Is

1436
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: my recommendation. Do you have one of those movies but

1437
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: it's a weepy one for you? Yeah, but they're they're

1438
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: and but we were saying this before off off Mike

1439
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: that it's they're not prestigie films, but yes, but mine

1440
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: are so so basic and it's fine, but without fail

1441
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: and I did this before a scene where I had

1442
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: to cry, Um the fucking this like when just what

1443
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: I got you there on high maintenance? This is this

1444
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: is high maintenance. This was um. I was literally in

1445
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: the kitchen, I know. I was like, I'll do it

1446
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: on the day and then was like, what are you doing?

1447
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I need to watch this clip this

1448
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: part and inside Out when they're in the bottom of

1449
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: the pet and I was like, and then and then

1450
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 1: it's it's amy just like sobbing and don't you remember

1451
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: like when she used to do this thing? And then

1452
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: and that part unfailingly makes me cry and I don't

1453
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: cry it stuff. And then the other one is these

1454
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: are both Disney movies twist for you never really when

1455
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: she yeah, when when she loved me, it was great.

1456
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: But mulan on at the end where she brings the

1457
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: sword in the metal, she's like, father, I brought you

1458
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 1: back this and then he takes it, doesn't even look

1459
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: at it, throws it, throws it to the side, hugs

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: her God parents stuff gets me. It's yeah, and that's

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: a parent stuff too. That's that's a parent thing too.

1462
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: And then the inside Out thing is a childhood thing.

1463
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's all, it's it's that. That's what

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01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm working with, very good ones, but they're both like

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01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: both like super like Blockbuster Disney movie, right. I mean,

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01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, those prestige movies that are

1467
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: that are that would make me cry. They just kind

1468
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 1: of sit in my gut and make me very They're heavy.

1469
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: I just like, sit with in my despair. Yea you

1470
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: you walk out like stunned or whatever. And I mean,

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01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 1: I think Hollywood it's a criticism of them, but they're

1472
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: like they're wilfully taking like narrative coding steps to manipulate

1473
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: you in a way that I think artsy tour people

1474
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: are like, well, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not

1475
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna like have swelling music. I'm not going to zoom

1476
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: in on a trembling lip. I'm gonna play it truth

1477
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: or cut away or let you think about it. It's like, sure,

1478
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: do that, but like the manipulation work works for that

1479
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: if you want to get people like tissues. You know, Also,

1480
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: it's a movie, and whenever people are like, oh look,

1481
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's a movie. Like people like the

1482
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: early reviews of a Star is Born. They're like, it's

1483
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: a little like treakily at times, I'm like, yeah, because

1484
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: it's a melodrama, like it's it's a it's a musical,

1485
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: and it's a reboot, it it's a it's a bunch

1486
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: of things. And I will weep at that movie. And

1487
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: the way that I will get my spirits back up

1488
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: is I Wild Binge Big Mouth season two, which will

1489
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: be premiering just minutes after we get home. I'm sure.

1490
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. I mean, you know,

1491
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: listen to it on the drive and it's it's not

1492
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: even a visual medium television cartoons. I mean, it's just

1493
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: come on, all right, is it time? I think it's time.

1494
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: That's time for I don't think so, honey, nervous. This

1495
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: is our segment Max. We we kind of know what

1496
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: Max is is. But it's gonna be great. It's gonna

1497
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: be one one for the books. I have a concept

1498
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: but and I don't know what i'll say, but I

1499
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: know how I feel. I don't know my words, but

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: I do in my heart. I don't know, do you

1501
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: know my heart? Okay? Great? Um, this is Matt Rodgers.

1502
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, his time starts now. I

1503
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Robin Right, because I could smell

1504
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: it on you. I could smell the Kevin Spacey apologism

1505
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: when you said you didn't really know him when they

1506
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: asked you, you worked with them every single day, and

1507
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: now you're saying he deserves a second chance. No, Kevin

1508
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: Spacey does not deserve a second chance, Robin Right. I'm sorry. Also,

1509
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I'm gonna come for your

1510
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: performance as well. I've kind of been doing the same

1511
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: thing for five seasons. Very good at sitting stone face

1512
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: and receiving information coldly. You are one of the best

1513
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: in the biz. But honey, nah. Also, look, you're not

1514
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: doing much more to lift the material up from where

1515
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: it's been for the past three seasons, which is not

1516
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: that good house of cards. I don't think so, honey.

1517
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: You died with Bo william I am absolutely not watching

1518
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: this last season now that you said what you said,

1519
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Money. Please tell victims of assault

1520
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: that they are not as worthy as Kevin Spacey of

1521
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: a second chance. I could I could smell it on

1522
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: her for months before it came, this like thing of

1523
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 1: her saying I think everyone can be rehabilitated and should

1524
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 1: be given a seconds. I could smell she said she

1525
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: did not. She was very tight lipped about the whole

1526
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: thing and never came out with a statement. And then

1527
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: she got a lot of praise for like being the

1528
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: one to spearhead the fact that like the show was

1529
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: going to continue, people were going to lose their jobs.

1530
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: But she could have done all that and said all

1531
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: that without saying that Kevin Spacey can be rehabilitated, deserve

1532
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: a second chance. Go ahead and think that in your

1533
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: own time. Don't make a public statement about it up.

1534
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: Don't bring that opinion to the table at the seller. No,

1535
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: and you know that Robin Wright has been trying to

1536
01:16:54,040 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: get just because just because we gave you a little

1537
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: bit of props for being part of a scene that

1538
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: tugs at the ear the tear ducts of one Max Silvestre,

1539
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: not mean you're getting out Scott free in this episode

1540
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: of Last COI. You're just a tool to Max. Somebody says,

1541
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: somebody tweeted how about Robin. I was like, I mean,

1542
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't think honey, that tweet. But they weren't wrong.

1543
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: They were They weren't wrong. I was a fan of

1544
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: her earlier work on the show. No, she's not growing

1545
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: and changing. I'm gonna watch the new season, but like,

1546
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 1: do you think you will? You're gonna watch it? I am.

1547
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely curious because it's not that far away, and

1548
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: it will be the first mass product with like mass

1549
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: money behind it that is trying to you know, it's

1550
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: not going to be a Pucci thing. It's not gonna

1551
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: be like minute one, they're just like the bus just

1552
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: hit them and then they just don't talk about it.

1553
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: It's gonna somehow being mentioned in it. And like not

1554
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: that I think that show is pitched perfect. I've always

1555
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: found it very like binge able. But I'm like, how

1556
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: are you how are you guys gonna try to stick

1557
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: this landing? Like putting aside over trying to save jobs

1558
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: or it was already it was her story anyway, I'm

1559
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,959
Speaker 1: very curious and how people accept like I'm I'm the rationale.

1560
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to just read the headline, you know,

1561
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 1: so I and I so often have just it's been

1562
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: easy to just be like, well, I don't care about

1563
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: that person's work, so I don't need context on the

1564
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: bed put them in a bucket um. But this, I'm

1565
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: just like, how are you gonna do it? Prediction car bomb,

1566
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: but there's see, I think there's no way. I think

1567
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: it's like a gun in the mouth. I think there's

1568
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: no way that they can make the character a hero

1569
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: without like awkwardly, if they make him a martyr in

1570
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: the show, it's going to conflate mourning Kevin Spacey with

1571
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,759
Speaker 1: Kevin Space's character with morning Kevin space the actor's career,

1572
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 1: like like it's gonna have to be like something terrible

1573
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: comes out, like murder, sue or whatever, and just like

1574
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: everyone tried. Like I think they're gonna do a meta

1575
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: swing where it's like them trying to cover up what

1576
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: he did to just like keep the country. I don't

1577
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: know that's me being optimistic, but it's a huge opportunity, Yeah,

1578
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: huge opportunity to kill the man. Yeah, to figure out

1579
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: the way. I mean, I think there's those scenes in

1580
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: movies where someone's on top of the train and then

1581
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: they look up and their head gets snapped off. Like

1582
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: I think I think you could have a sort of

1583
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: satisfying Dennis Hopper, phil Seymour Hoffman just take the top

1584
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: of the head off. Do you think with that crazy

1585
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: accent he does, it would feel right for an anivil

1586
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: to come follow him. I feel like that actually would

1587
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: feel right. He's doing barbershop. He's doing barbershop quartet, like

1588
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: the reunion of the Military Academy and like the anchor

1589
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: on top of the school like kill yeah, he is

1590
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: just Yo Semin Sam. Why did we Yeah? Anyway, Okay,

1591
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: this is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. His

1592
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Joe Biden,

1593
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: you know what, all these tapes are coming out from

1594
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: minding anyone stuff and I didn't I didn't follow this

1595
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: obviously because it wasn't but like he's asking her some

1596
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: like bullshit questions and like he was supposedly the good

1597
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: guy on the Judiciary Committite back then, and like because

1598
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: then like Manner did this thing last night where she

1599
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: like cuts between him and Arlen Specter and Arlen's a

1600
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: full monster and he's he's being awful. But then like

1601
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 1: but then you google, if you google Joe Biden old photos,

1602
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: you see like the ones where everyone's like, oh soon

1603
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: Joe Biden his bay, but then they're the ones where

1604
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,879
Speaker 1: he's just has some shit eating grin next to Clarence Thomas,

1605
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: like whatever, Like it's just I don't know. Joe's Joe's great.

1606
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: Study's gonna kill me when she hears this Delari and

1607
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: study Green. But if she stands for Joe Biden in

1608
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: the election, I'm gonna freak out. Continue God, but like

1609
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it's all this sceneded hell stuff

1610
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 1: is like really upsetting me, and like, oh my god,

1611
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: if you go, everyone should read her op ed today

1612
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: in the New York Times. It's fantastic, and that's one minute.

1613
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: You know, this definitely doesn't help him. Yeah, it's not

1614
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: a good luck, it's not cute stuff that's good. I

1615
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 1: don't think he survives, you know, correctly, like critical rethinking

1616
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: of like the buddy buddy, like we're all different sides

1617
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: of the same, you know, like it was it was

1618
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: slimy in collegiate and like you put up and smiled

1619
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: at a lot of gross stuff like maybe you thought

1620
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: you didn't have to judge it, but guess what now,

1621
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: And and then you helped and then you let through

1622
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: some fucking sexual assailant into the Supreme Court. Already, did

1623
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: you see confirmation the HBO movie with Kerry Washington where

1624
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: she now but literally today after after I read this

1625
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: Need of Health and I was like, I have to

1626
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: watch Everyone should watch that movie. It's a really good

1627
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: remind did she win an Emmy for that or no,

1628
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: she was nominated, not she was nominated. But you know

1629
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: who else is in at Jennifer Hudson as the woman

1630
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: who also was allegedly assaulted by Clarence Thomas or he

1631
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: made advances on and they don't allow her testify. Which

1632
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: people also don't understand is that there was more than

1633
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 1: one woman that was willing to come forward and they

1634
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: kept her in a room and told her you're going

1635
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: to testify, and hours and hours and hours went by.

1636
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: Watch the movie. Jenn For Hudson plays that character. I

1637
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: forget who plays Biden, but um, Greg, yeah, I think

1638
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 1: you might be right. Yeah, Number one hundred and three books. Okay,

1639
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: it's time for Max Silvestris. I don't think so, honey.

1640
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: This is gonna be really good. Okay, okay, go no, no, no,

1641
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: this is Matt you call it off. This is Maxilvestris.

1642
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. And as time starts now,

1643
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so Honey, honey, you taste weird. You

1644
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: are annoying sugar. You are sugar that refuses to own

1645
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: a TV. You are sugar on rollerblades trying to explain

1646
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: to a group of girls at a party what inception

1647
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: was about. You figured out how to make tea worse.

1648
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: You are bumblebee ship. You answer the question what would

1649
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 1: it taste like to felch maple syrup out of Jeff

1650
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: Goldbloom in the fly? Also, I don't think so, honey,

1651
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: you are not healthy. That is some debunk to eighties

1652
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: Newsweek cover story snack well Ship. You are for people

1653
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: on a diet who also move their lips when they read.

1654
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: You are a y for British grandma's with dementia. You

1655
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 1: are sweetener for basic people. How dare you get served

1656
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: at a restaurant? You are brief cheese. You are sun

1657
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: dried tomatoes. You are spinach flavored wraps. You are an

1658
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: egg white omelet with a scoop of cottage cheese in

1659
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: the middle. You're a sticky thigh master covered in flies. Kids,

1660
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: look at Winnie the Poo's asshole. I don't think And

1661
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: that's one minute, and it's gotta be one of the

1662
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: best water, the best ever. You know what, you are

1663
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: single handedly changing the way we attack. We attacked this

1664
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: on the podcast. We have to come in with with

1665
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: good ones from now we do because this was a

1666
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: sleigh and I can tell you know it was a sleigh.

1667
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: I can see in your eyes athlete is coming out

1668
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like trying to catch my breath. You look

1669
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: at Serena. I'd rather lose Max sylvestryst Thanks guys. That

1670
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: was But I will say this, I like, honey, it's fine,

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01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. No, no, no, I don't.

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01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean that was not this, not me. I just

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01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 1: wanted to be clear that this was not like a

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01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:07,679
Speaker 1: meta joke writing exercise, likeney. I don't like honey, honey.

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01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: It's ruined, like ruine, Like I lost security deposits and

1676
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: more than one apartment because of some shitty thing of honey.

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01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: I bought for a recipe that fell over on the

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01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: pantry and like takes the pain out like it is

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01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: always annoying to me. Wow, I never thought about what

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01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: it can do to a home. Yeah, clover, honey, the

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01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 1: whatever plain honey is bullshit. I understand everyone's Max's Reservations

1682
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: with honey Manuka honey from New Zealand. It's it's it's

1683
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: not from a come, it's from the minuca flower. It's

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01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: still bubble, Okay, I eat literally eat it from a spoon.

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01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,759
Speaker 1: You're disgusted. No, because not because I like the taste,

1686
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 1: kids that listen to them. Not because I like the taste,

1687
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: but because literally I've been getting sick all year, like

1688
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: once a month any time over the summer, when I

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01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: felt a tickle in my throat, would take a scoop

1690
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 1: of manuka honey and the next day would feel fine.

1691
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: It's just it's medicinal. It's not homeopathic, it's not any

1692
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: of that bullshit. But it's like, oh this is there's

1693
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: just like literal and I'm out. It's no, it's not

1694
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: even that. It's like there's there's stuff. There's stuff in

1695
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: it because it's a lot, because because like alive, it's

1696
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: flower sort of right exactly. Like it also tastes like

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01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: me to being forced to drink lemon honey, like when

1698
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: I was like a kid, just being like no, no,

1699
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: you have to have lemon and honey and stop making

1700
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: me drink this. It tastes like medicine. I understand that,

1701
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: but Manuka, honey might be sort of not not the gateway,

1702
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 1: but an exception. I'm willing to there's so much to explore,

1703
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: there's so much willing I'm willing to open my mind. Okay,

1704
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: you know thinking next, open your mind, open your mouth

1705
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: and open your mind, your big mouth. That is Oh

1706
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,879
Speaker 1: my god, zing zinging. That was one of the goats,

1707
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: one of the goats, greatest of all times. Absolutely, thank you,

1708
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: man I was guessing at wut goat. Yeah, yeah, And

1709
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm really proud. You should be so proud. You're the

1710
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 1: athletes here. This is huge, Max, It's this is such

1711
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: a pleasure. And you are only the third straight man

1712
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: to have Tim Popular Domino, John Gabres and finally, sorry Bill,

1713
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:05,919
Speaker 1: I forgot you. Guys are true like American Canadian treasure.

1714
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: You have the most sterling reputation among Pierre's friends and

1715
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: fans that like I have ever encountered. People love you,

1716
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: and you know we're going to have to award you

1717
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: yea allied the year you take it away from who

1718
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: do we give it him? John Gabriel my brother. Now

1719
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't need it, he doesn't need it. Um Wow,

1720
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: this is fantastic. Please check out his comedy line up

1721
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: special on Netflix, Big Mouth on Netflix October five. Yes,

1722
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to say that we're going to

1723
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: be ending this episode right now with of course the song,

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01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: which is the theme from A Star is Born. And

1725
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 1: for the rest of that song, you go see the film.

1726
01:26:53,840 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 1: Go see the film. This has been a Forever Dog production,

1727
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: executive produced by Brett Ballhum, Joe Silio, and Alex Ramsey.

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01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,120
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