1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis and 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. I am in Clay Trav, I am 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: in Clay Jo. I am in Miami. I am Clay 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Travis in our Miami affiliate studios. Buck is in New 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: York City, and we are on official ritten House Jury Watch. 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: As the overall drama, I would say, continues to build 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: surrounding everything in this case, we are going to continue 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: to update you and keep you apprized of what exactly 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: is going on. We also have big news the Department 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: of Justice and the FBI really maybe going after parents 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: for what they have said in school boards based on 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: information that was shared with the House Judiciary Committee from 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: an alleged whistleblower inside of the FBI. It is absolutely crazy. 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: We will be discussing that maybe yours truly has got 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: an FBI file on him, since I was one of 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: those parents who went and spoke out at a school 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: board meeting. We also have the continued absurdity of what 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: can and cannot be said online regarding masking and COVID policies. Buck. 20 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: We told you earlier this week had a tweet he 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: sent which called out the absurdity of masking locked by Twitter. 22 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: Now Twitter has done the same thing to me our 23 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: show under siege on social media for pointing out what 24 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: is at this point and basically without any evidence at 25 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: all to support the idea that masks work. Yet you 26 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: are not allowed to say that publicly on Twitter. Will 27 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: discuss all of that, but I want to start with 28 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: the continue viewed insistence from so many people in the 29 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: media that Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer. And I also 30 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: want to talk about the pressure that is being brought 31 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: to bear on jurors, every single one of whom buck 32 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: has to be in the back of their mind thinking 33 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: about what might happen to their community if they do 34 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: what they should do and find Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty 35 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: in this case based on the actual facts. They cannot 36 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: be held hostage by BLM protesters who are threatening to 37 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: burn down their community if Kyle Rittenhouse is not found guilty. 38 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: But listen to this. This is We talked about the 39 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: View and how the View is maybe one of the 40 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: leading places in all of media right now for both 41 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: stupidity and misinformation to be spread. We talked yesterday about 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: their refusal to allow any discussion about COVID that didn't 43 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: support their agenda. Listen to what tera Setmeyer said yesterday, 44 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: straight out, even before the jury has made a determination 45 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: book that Kyle Rittenhouse is a murderer. This is cut seven. 46 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm a gun owner in my family, were pro Second 47 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: Amendment in my family, and I look at the way 48 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: that this case because I think this guy's going to 49 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: get off Unfortunately, it's vigilante. Justice has gone wrong. But 50 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: I also think that it's going to embolden some of 51 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: the more rabid Second Amendment advocates and make it you know, 52 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: it's difficult for people who are responsible gun owners. This 53 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: guy is not a martyr. He is not a martyr. 54 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: He's a murderer and this should not be He should 55 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: not be empowered by technicalities like this. It's not a 56 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: technicality to be able to defend yourself when you're being 57 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: attacked by known criminals in a mob fashion who are 58 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: waving a gun in your face. There's video, folks. Don't 59 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: don't let any of the noise, don't let any of 60 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: the nonsense cloud what you can all see. We can 61 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: all see it with our eyes, thankfully, because there wasn't video, 62 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: and if one of these individual shot happened to be black, 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: I think the chance of Kyle Rittenhouse getting an acquittal 64 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: would be almost zero. But because there is video, and 65 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: because the three people he shot were all white, and 66 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: they're still talking about how this is a racist incident 67 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: because of the BLM riots in the summer of twenty twenty. 68 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: The left doesn't want you to think you're allowed to 69 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: stand in the way of this. When they want to 70 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: burn down your neighborhood, the left believes they have a 71 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: right to do so, and you do not have a 72 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: right to defend yourself or your community. Clay. They want 73 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: a situation where jurors are scared. The judge and his 74 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: family are receiving death threats in core case, and I 75 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: just have to say, I suppose the FBI is too 76 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: busy with its top tier collection strategy on concerned parents 77 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: to put any of the FBI men on that issue 78 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: of threatening a state judge across state lines, by the way, 79 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: a phrase we've heard a lot in recent weeks. Because 80 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: they want there to be pressure, they want there to 81 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: be coercion. It's not possible to be a rational adult 82 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: and watch the way this case has unfolded and the 83 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: facts of it presented, and think that Kyle Rittenhouse is 84 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: guilty of murder, It's not possible. The only way this 85 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: trial has, even in my opinion, gone to this point, Clay, 86 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: and why we don't have a verdict yet is because 87 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: the jurors are rightfully terrified about the consequences to them. 88 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: The judge is probably concerned at some level too, but 89 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: it's good enough not to show that in the trial. 90 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: And this is how the Left does what they do. 91 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: Mob violence is their currency. The threat of it looming 92 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: in the background, even at the expense of our own 93 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: justice system, is just fine with them. Well, this is 94 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: this is to me, part and parcel of what happens 95 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: when you intimidate people and you convince them that you 96 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: are going to be held responsible if you follow the 97 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: facts and the data and the law and find Kyle 98 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: Rittenhouse not guilty. I think it's impossible for all of 99 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: these jurors, Buck, I think it is utterly impossible for 100 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: as part of their analysis of this case, for them 101 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: not to be thinking, what's going to happen to me? 102 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: And this should never be a consideration of any juror 103 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: because the individual consequences of a juror who was selected 104 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: to be a member of this community should not be 105 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: at issue at all. All that should matters the facts. 106 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: Can we just get a statement from Joe Biden or 107 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: from Attorney General Merrick Garland about how threatening jurors or 108 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: a judge is contrary to the very foundation of our 109 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: justice system and that no person who thinks they believe 110 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: in justice, social or racial or whatever would ever engage 111 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: in that kind of behavior. Why not a statement, Clay. 112 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: The Attorney General could put out a letter about the 113 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: scary parents saying, hey, stop teaching my kids that skin 114 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: color determines their future one way or the other. But 115 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: the Attorney General doesn't have a word to say about 116 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: the sanctity of our judicial process as it's playing out 117 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: in state court in Wisconsin. Gee, I wonder why. Maybe 118 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: they don't want to upset the left wing activists base 119 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: a little too much. I also wonder if our riot's 120 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: gonna be good for the next couple of days, you know, 121 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: our insurrections when there's a really good reason, all of 122 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: a sudden acceptable Clay, I want everyone to think about that, 123 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: considering how much time we spend on the January sixth insurrection. Buck, 124 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: this is I don't want to overstate how significant I 125 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: think what's going on right now is. Because if a 126 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: jury duly selected in Kenosha, and look, we can, we 127 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: can Monday morning quarterback this thing, because a part of 128 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: me thinks, Buck, why in the world were these jurors 129 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: not sequestered, Why were they not kept out of the 130 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: constant media spotlight? In some way, we can have a 131 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: discussion about whether even having this trial in Kenosha was 132 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: helpful change of venue. All of those things are very 133 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: valid to debate, but right now, the essence of any 134 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: jury trial requires that the jurors know that they are safe, 135 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: that they are protected, and that they are able to 136 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: follow the law without worrying about what the consequences to 137 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: they or their community might be based on the choice 138 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: that they make. And I just ask you this, anybody 139 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: out there listening, based on what has happened over the 140 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: summer and the threats that have been made publicly about 141 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: what will happen if a not guilty verdict is the 142 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: verdict from this jury, is there any way that every 143 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: single juror right now deliberating is not in the back 144 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: of their mind thinking what's going to happen to me 145 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: if I vote not guilty. I just I find it impost. 146 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: I wish that I could believe. Hey, these jurors are 147 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: going to be able to compartmentalize everything. They're going to 148 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: just focus on what the facts are of the case. 149 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: They're gonna analyze self defense. They're not gonna get bogged 150 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: down and whether Kyle Rittenhouse should have been there. They're 151 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: going to look at that interaction, the video that we have, 152 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: which clearly shows him under threat of bodily harm and 153 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: danger that could be incredibly severe. He was justified to 154 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: defend himself as he did. I don't see how anybody 155 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: who's watched this trial or seen those tapes could have 156 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: any other decision to be made. Yet. I think they're terrified. 157 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: Of course, they're terrified the prosecution, and that's the whole point, right, 158 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: This is not something that is a surprise to anybody 159 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: who follows the way the violent lunatic left, which we 160 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: saw in full display all through the summer of twenty twenty. 161 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: Right people have started to forget a little bit which 162 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: side is really the party of riots, Which political party 163 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: takes to the streets, burns down buildings. Why were there 164 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: so many stores boarded up all across America in advance 165 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: of the Joe Biden election. We all know why the 166 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: left doesn't get their way. They throw a tantrum, they 167 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: cry like babies, they destroy things, they attack people. That's 168 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: still true now, that's still the reality they face in Kenocean, 169 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: which is why you have National Guard deployed, which is 170 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: why people are so concerned in that jury pool or 171 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: in that jury room rather about their safety. I can't 172 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: tell them that that's an irrational concern at all, because 173 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: the Left is completely insane. And we watch this and 174 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: it comes down to a very basic question of fact 175 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: or very basic statement you can make. The prosecution wants 176 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: people to believe that if there's a general political narrative 177 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: out there of people in the streets fighting for justice, 178 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: you have to let that mob beat you, maybe into 179 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: a comma, maybe to death, even if you are legally armed, 180 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: as we know Kyle was legal armed. Because it makes 181 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: the Left and Biden voters sad when people don't let 182 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: the angry BLM mob beat them senseless. That's it. That's 183 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: what the whole trial comes down to. And frankly, buck 184 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: the longer this goes on, the more I feel like 185 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: a mistrial might happen. And if a mistrial happens, what 186 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: we are going to do is have to determine the 187 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: judges is it a mistrial with prejudice because the prosecution 188 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: bungled so many things. Did you see the story that 189 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: the prosecution didn't share the HD version of one of 190 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: the drones with the standard definition instead of HD, which 191 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: is esstantially different. Did that surprise you for one second? 192 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: It didn't, because the prosecution has been dishonest throughout this 193 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: entire case. But the judge then would have to decide, 194 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: is am I going to grant a mistrial with prejudice, 195 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: which would mean that there's no longer charges able to 196 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: be brought in this case, or is it just going 197 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: to be a mistrial, in which case theoretically we go 198 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: through this entire procedure all over again, Which I mean, 199 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: at this point you gotta think that ritten house is 200 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: you want to believe based on the facts that it's 201 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: looking very good for him. But now we have to 202 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: take into the reality here jury coercion. Essentially, we have 203 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: to take the mob threat against this jury into effect. 204 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: We'll come back into this because you've also we've got 205 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: that holding back of evidence. We got Andy McCarthy joining 206 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: us in a few minutes here. You all know him 207 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: from Fox. He was at the Southern District of New 208 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: York for over twenty years as a federal prosecutor. He 209 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: knows the law inside and out. We'll talk to him 210 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 1: about miss trial, miss trial with prejudice. What are we 211 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: facing here. We've also got that I used to do 212 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: counter terrorism collection and analysis. 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Are there elements 241 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: within the FBI targeting parents for intelligence collection for speaking 242 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: out at school board dudings. It's kind of a crazy 243 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: question to say out loud, and also a really important 244 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: one at the same time. Welcome back to Clay and 245 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: Buck Show. We've been on this story from the very beginning. 246 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: We've been trying to make sure everyone hears about the 247 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: kind of things that are going on, the targeting, the 248 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: memo that came out from Americ Garland's office the clear 249 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: shot across the bow of parents. So in public, they 250 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,359 Speaker 1: basically said, we're looking to gather together law enforcement resources 251 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: because of the mom rebellion at school board meetings where 252 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: they were saying, you know, hey, can you stop brainwashing 253 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: my kids with CRT garbage? That was something the Attorney 254 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: General of the United States wait in on. Now we 255 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: find out, Well, first off, let's remember what he said 256 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: under back on the first of October. Here's Merrick Garland ag. 257 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: I can't imagine any circumstance in which the Patriot Act 258 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: would be used in the circumstances of parents complaining about 259 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: their children, Nor can I imagine the circumstance where they 260 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: would be labeled as domestic terrorism play. That's so weird 261 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: because in my hands I have a letter from Congressman 262 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, friend of the Show of Course, writing in 263 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: saying to Merrick Garland that we have quote received the 264 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: disclosure from a Department of Justice whistleblower calling into question 265 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: the accuracy and completeness of your testimony. It goes on 266 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: to talk about FBI personnel having a threat tag created 267 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: by the Counter Terrorism and Criminal Divisions specifically to track 268 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:54,359 Speaker 1: the threat of insurrectionist parents at school board meetings, A protected, 269 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: legally protected whistleblower coming forward, a patriot by the way, 270 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: from then the FBI. This is crazy, but it's real. Yeah, 271 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: and Buck, I mean, we are I really want to 272 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: know how extensive is this FBI investigation into parents. So 273 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: we are in the process of putting in a Freedom 274 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: of Information Act request on behalf of me because I 275 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: was one of those parents who showed up at one 276 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: of those school board meetings. Has the fbi've been investigating 277 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: me for domestic terrorism? Because I don't think my kids 278 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: should wear masks. I mean, I don't know what might 279 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: be out there, But on behalf of the show, we're 280 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: gonna see what's out there. I just gonna tell you 281 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: it had to be a whistleblower, Clay, because when you're 282 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: talking about CTD kind of terrorist and division stuff, all 283 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: of that will be outside the scope of a FOIA, really, 284 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: because they're gonna say it's classified. So that's why I 285 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: had to whistled. But but so we should put in 286 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: the FOIA because we should say, hey, is there any 287 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: other government agencies or any government communication And how wild 288 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: is this? This is like through the looking glass level 289 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: crazy buck that they would be investigating parents who show 290 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: up at school board meetings to advocate against critical race 291 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: theory or against mass or in favor of their kids 292 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: being able to be in school. This is next level madness, 293 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: it really is. And why is it so important to 294 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: the Democrats, to the Democrat apparatus, to the power center 295 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: of the Democrat Party to do something like this that 296 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: Clay obviously could have enormous backlash and ramifications that comes 297 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: from it. Why because they need people to shut up, 298 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: sit down, and let the education bureaucracy be run by 299 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: lunatic leftists and get all the teachers union donations flong 300 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: to Democrats, get all to get out the vote efforts 301 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: from the unions to Democrats, and to brainwash all your 302 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: kids in school into being leftists as they grow up 303 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: and start voting. So this is why they're willing to 304 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: take these kind of risks. You know, if we've learned 305 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: anything since twenty twenty, it's there's nothing quite as important 306 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: as a powerful immune system. 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Thanks to the fifth Circuit. 325 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: OSHA has announced that they are suspending all all implementation 326 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's COVID vaccine requirement as a result of 327 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: the Fifth Circuits decision, and so OSHA says this is 328 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: up on their up on their website. While OSHA remains 329 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: confident and it's authority to protect workers and emergency, OSHA 330 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: has suspended activities related to the implementation and enforcement of 331 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: this emergency temporary standard, the order that was put in place, 332 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: pending future developments in the litigation. So right now, OSHA's 333 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: mandate of January fourth that everyone be vaccinated is not 334 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: being enforced based on the Fifth Circuit standing up and 335 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: saying that they believe this is unconstant Tutional got a 336 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: good guest who may have a little bit of an 337 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: opinion on that as well as the Kyle Rittenhouse case. 338 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: He is Andy McCarthy, contributing editor at National Review and 339 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: the former Assistant United States Attorney for the Southern District 340 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: of New York. Andy, that news on OSHA is breaking. 341 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: I know you've got a variety of different opinions on 342 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: a ton of different cases out there right now, But 343 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: in your mind, did you read the Fifth Circuit opinion? 344 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Do you agree with it as it pertained to their 345 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: analysis of the vaccine mandate from the Biden administration. Clay, 346 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, I did. And one of the things I'm 347 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: struck by now that that Osha is backing off this. 348 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: And we should point out to people that this emergency 349 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,199 Speaker 1: procedure that they want to use, they've only used it 350 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: like a handful of times in history. Almost every time 351 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: they've litigated that they've lost. They haven't tried to do 352 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: it since the nineteen eighties. Yeah, and under the Administrative 353 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: Procedure Act. You know, this is one of these things 354 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: that's the most remarkable emergency I've ever heard. Biden announces 355 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: something that he's going to do on an emergency basis, 356 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: and nothing happens for two months, and then when it 357 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: finally happens, yes, they say it goes into effect two 358 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: months from now. So you know, if they complied with 359 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: the law, they could have told us all what they 360 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: wanted to do, and they would have had the normal 361 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: notice and commentary, and they didn't need to do this 362 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: by an emergency. But they obviously try to slam an 363 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: emergency provision pass people because they knew what they were 364 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: doing was not correct. Andy, how do you think it's 365 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: bucked by the way I get to talk to my friend, 366 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: how do you think this is going to shake out 367 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: in the courts? I mean, we got the Fifth Circuit, 368 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: people are saying there may be expedited Supreme Court review. 369 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: What do you see happening on this Biden Osha emergency 370 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: vaccine mandate? Buck, I think we're seeing a pattern of 371 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: behavior by this administration where basically they create a threatening, 372 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: intimidating atmosphere by saying they're going to do things, and 373 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: then they don't actually follow through and do them, but 374 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: they hope that the fact that they've threatened to do 375 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: them gets people to to, uh, you know, conform their 376 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: behavior to what the what the left and Biden wants 377 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: them to do. So it wouldn't stun me at all 378 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: if we never hear another thing promotion about this, just 379 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: like you know with the with Garland's memo from earlier, 380 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: I guess it was the last month the uh you know, 381 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: where he's threatening that they're going to have the FBI 382 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: and the US attorneys across the country investigate parents who 383 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: are protesting the progressive indoctrination in their schools. I don't 384 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: think they don't have any federal jurisdiction they're going to 385 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: bring a case about that what they wanted to do. 386 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: It's a brushback pitch. They want to make people think 387 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: that if they exploit their rights, if they use their rights, 388 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: that the FBI is going to conduct investigations on them, 389 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: and maybe they have to go into their pocket and 390 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: retain counsel, and maybe they have to go through all 391 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: the anxiety of being in an investigation. I think it's just, 392 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, they're filling the air with a lot of coercive, intimidating, 393 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: threatening stuff, but in the end they know legally that 394 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: they really don't have a great leg to stand on. Yeah. Andy, 395 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: So we got the Written House case out right now 396 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: with the jurors, and obviously there are many different legal issues, 397 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: and your analysis of OSHA and what might happen with 398 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: the Biden administration I tend to agree with. I think 399 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: it's more threat than anything else. What do you think 400 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: is going on with the Written House jury? What are 401 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: the chances based on what you have seen of this 402 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: case that we could get a mistrial and or a 403 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: mistrial with prejudice, And in your experience as an attorney, 404 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: how would you assess the overall atmosphere and basically the 405 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: actics of the prosecution, of the defense and of the 406 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: judge in this case. Well, it's very interesting. We just 407 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: heard that there's a note from the jury. You know, 408 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: we went all day yesterday, the first day of deliberations 409 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: without really any note, and notes are usually during deliberations, 410 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: that's the window that we have the tea leagues, they say, 411 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: we read to try to figure out what they're you know, 412 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: what the juries, if they're arguing, or what they're homed 413 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: in on. That's what usually tells us. This is one 414 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: of those oddball cases in the sense that most cases 415 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: where there's no real dispute about the facts of what 416 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: happened don't go to trial. They're usually guilty pleased. Here, 417 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: the facts are pretty clear of what happened here, and 418 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: what were the cases about is a straight up legal dispute, 419 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: which is did he did rittenhouse act in self defense 420 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: which would be a complete defense to murder and reckless 421 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: endangerment and attempted murder charges, which is what he's facing. 422 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: So we may not get a lot of notes because 423 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: the jury has the judge's legal instructions, and that's really 424 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: what the case comes down to, the self defense instruction. 425 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: But very interestingly today midday, they've now asked to see 426 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: the surveillance video. And what I assume they're homing in 427 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: on is the defense is contended all along, and I 428 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: think the video plainly shows us that Rittenhouse was being chase, 429 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: that is, that he's not the assailant. He's the one 430 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: who's being assaulted by other people. And the prosecution had 431 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: this drone video that they brought in at the end, 432 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: really after they shouldn't have been able to introduce any 433 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: new evidence into the case, which is alleged to be distorted, 434 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: and it looks like they held out the version of 435 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: it that they wanted to put into evidence, they didn't 436 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: give to the defense, the defense contends, until after the 437 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: evidence was closed. So the defense is saying they pulled 438 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: a fast one, but they're saying that this distorted video, 439 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: which is what the prosecution's making its argument from, shows 440 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: that in the first encounter with this guy Rosenbaum, who's 441 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: the first guy who got shot, that Rittenhouse is the 442 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: assailant rather than someone who's fleeing. Now, I don't think 443 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: that that's plausible under all of the evidence that we 444 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: heard in the trial, but that's their story, and they're 445 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: sticking to it, and I have a feeling what the 446 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: jury is asking for now is to see you all 447 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: the relevant videos that they can evaluate that claim. Andy, 448 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: I want to ask you before we let you go. 449 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: He always appreciate Andie McCarthy coming on to join us. 450 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: He's over at National Review dot com commedia stuff there. 451 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: Obviously you can see him frequently giving his analysis on 452 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: Fox News. Andy, Jake Angelie, better known as the Qann Shaman, 453 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: just got sentenced forty one months in prison. You were 454 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: at the Southern District for what over twenty years, so 455 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: you've dealt with lots and lots of federal criminal trials. 456 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: There's no dispute about the facts of him being in 457 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: the building and you know illegally, you know, on government property. 458 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: Is that Is that a fair sentence in your mind? 459 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: And also, is there anything about the detention of some 460 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: of these non violent offenders from January sixth that you 461 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: feel is excessively punitive and politicized? Well, let me start 462 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: with the second part. But because I think that's the 463 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: easier one, sure, and that is, you know, whether people 464 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: get bail is a big There's a big difference between 465 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: whether you're entitled to bail and whether you're guilty. So 466 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: even if we think they're guilty, they should be entitled 467 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: to bail if there's not a real risk of flight 468 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: or danger to the community. And I think there's a 469 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: lot of people who are being held under circumstances where 470 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: the government isn't really even saying when they can possibly 471 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: try this case, So they could be held for months 472 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: and months undercumstances where they're not really a risk of 473 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: flight or a danger to the community. And I think 474 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: that should be unacceptable and people should think that's not fair, 475 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: no matter what they think of January sixth, As far 476 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: as a forty one month sentence concerned, you know, three 477 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: and a half years, right, I don't have in the abstract, 478 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with the idea that somebody 479 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: who obstructs Congress when they're trying to conduct a constitutionally 480 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: required proceedings should get a three and a half year sentence. 481 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: But what I think people ought to take away from 482 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: this is the rhetoric of the Justice Department of Garland, 483 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: of the Democrats from the beginning on this has been 484 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: that this was an insurrection that threatened the United States, 485 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: that threatened democracy, and according to Garland, was worse than 486 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: nine to eleven, worse than terrorist mass murder attacks, which 487 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: I used to prosecute for a living. Now, if a 488 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: terror who wanted to destroy the United States and plotted 489 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: or carried out a mass murder attack, if he got 490 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: a three and a half year sentence, I think we'd 491 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: all say there was something really wrong with that, because 492 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: those people are the people who get thrown in jail 493 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: and you throw the key away, and everybody says that's 494 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: exactly what ought to happen. Yet, in connection with this guy, 495 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about a three and a half year sentence, 496 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: and there's actually a plausible question about whether that's a 497 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: little too harsh or none. So I think we really 498 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: get a good measure of some of the rhetoric around 499 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: January six. You don't have to like January six to 500 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: say that some of the things that have been said 501 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: about it by the Democrats not an insurrect. Not an insrect. 502 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: Andy mccarth everybody nasherview dot com check him out on 503 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: Fox News as well. Andy, appreciate you making the time 504 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: for us. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks. Guys. If 505 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: a new iPhone on your holiday gift list is there 506 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: for this season, pure Talk Cellular is making one available 507 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: now at a Black Friday sale price. 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That could just be 541 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: additional instructions from the judge, it could be something else. 542 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: We obviously have the eyes of the nation on this 543 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: courthouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and the moment that we have 544 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: more for you, the moment that we know more about 545 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: whether there is an imminent verdict or not, we'll bring 546 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: that to you right away. We are also seeing a 547 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: lot of moving the goal posts, I think in preparation 548 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: for what could be a tough winter when it comes 549 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: to COVID you've seen if you look at the latest 550 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: tracker of CDC data cases up of the last two weeks, 551 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: almost twenty percent nationwide, you're at about eighty five thousand 552 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: cases a day, and you're at about a thousand deaths 553 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: a day. So people are starting to say, hold on 554 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: a second. We're not even post Thanksgiving yet and we're 555 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: starting to see what looks like a bit of an uptick. 556 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: Don't worry, though, Doctor Fauci is out there and he's 557 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: just telling you, if you comply, if you comply more, 558 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 1: this goes away faster, this will end. We are not 559 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: going to be going through this indefinitely. How quickly we 560 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: get to the end depends on us, how well we vaccinate, 561 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: how will we get boosted, and how will we do 562 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: the kinds of things to protect ourselves. Clay, I did 563 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: someone to explain this to me? How does getting boosted 564 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: make this end faster? The very need for boosters is 565 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: proof to anybody with an IQ above that of a 566 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: toaster of it that the vaccines stop working well enough 567 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: for this virus to be blocked and to have defense 568 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: from it. So the booster is just another version of 569 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: what they already gave us, which goes away after six 570 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: months or drops down dramatically, sorry New York Times or 571 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: Bucks accent, but yeah, goes down dramatically after six months. Yeah. Look, Buck, 572 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: sixty people sixty five and older, over ninety nine percent 573 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: of them have gotten at least one dose of the 574 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: COVID vaccine. Now, these are people who were under the 575 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: most danger. Over ninety nine percent have gotten at least 576 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: one dose, and eighty six percent are fully vaccinated. Now 577 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: fully vaccinated. The definition is going to be changing because 578 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: of the of the COVID booster requirement. But listen to this, Buck. Minnesota, Michigan, 579 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: New Mexico, New Hampshire, and Wisconsin and Vermont, six of 580 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: the seven states with the highest rate of COVID right now, 581 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: are theoretically some of the most vaccinated places in the country. 582 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: Vermont and New Hampshire in particular, New Hampshire in the 583 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: last fourteen days up one hundred and twenty three percent 584 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: in the number of COVID cases, Vermont up seventy three percent, 585 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: Minnesota eighty four percent. What happens here is pretty clear. 586 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: Right in the summer, when it's hot in the South, 587 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: everybody goes indoors and that's when things start to spread COVID. 588 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: That's why the South had their rise with the delta variant. 589 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: What's happening now is Minnesota, Michigan, New Hampshire, Wisconsin. It's 590 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: cold and people are going inside now in those states 591 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: and they're seeing a surge. But what's ironic is Rohn 592 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: de Santis and the southern red state governors got destroyed 593 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: when their rates went up. Are you seeing any of 594 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: the mainstream media pundits going after these blue states and 595 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: these blue state governors over their COVID rate Skyron They're 596 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: still trying to find out how Rhonda Santis snuck up 597 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: to Vermont to spread COVID everywhere, because clearly that's what 598 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: he did all summer in Florida. Clay. You know, when 599 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: you look at the numbers that you just laid out 600 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: in the general COVID numbers across the country, if we 601 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: have basically everybody over sixty five vaccinated and and this 602 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: is just a this is a theory, right, but this 603 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: is the way we should think through this. Every number 604 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: sixty five is vaccinated, they're the ones who are at 605 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: highest risk. What exactly are we trying to do by 606 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: getting five to eleven year olds vaccinated and do all 607 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: this other We can't actually stop spread. That's not happening. 608 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: That's what we can't stop spread. Shouldn't we have focused 609 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: protection on those at risk? Get those boosters if you're 610 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: at risk. My parents just got their boosters, Clay, right, 611 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: get the boosts for your risks, ain't for mine, But 612 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: everybody else should be able to drop the mask, stop 613 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: with the shot. Nonsense, no mandates, no kids in school. 614 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: We protect those at high risk. The rest of society 615 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: goes on as normal because they can't actually stop the spread. 616 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: So what are they doing with all the rest of 617 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: us who aren't at high risk. It's a fantastic question. 618 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: And that's, by the way, the argument that you and 619 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: I and sane people who look at the data have 620 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: been making now for well over a year. We come back, 621 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: we'll give you the absolute latest on the Rittenhouse trial. 622 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: What exactly is going on with the jury returning to 623 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: the courtroom, all that and more as we roll into 624 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: the second hour, Clay and buck Chow. You're listening to Clay, 625 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: Travis said, Buck Sexton fund the EIB Network