WEBVTT - A Ghost Portal in a Brooklyn Apartment! 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:13.399 What's that happens spooky? Hey, juky, I'm really sure it's dead. 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:14.920 It's coming this way. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.439 Wait a minute, I said. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.840 Nandas. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:32.920 Please Hey boo, it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.320 by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:40.519 that I like about the paranormal. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.640 I said just here at the beginning of the year 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:49.559 that this year I'm going to start occasionally bringing on 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:56.320 people that aren't necessarily my wacky show business friends to 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:03.240 laugh about the silliness of the other side. And today's 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.640 one of those examples. I have on two people that 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.679 I have never met before, but they have a new 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:19.080 documentary film. It is called It's Coming, and it is well, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:25.400 it's coming, honey. It's different than most ghost hunting type 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.760 things that we've all seen in the in the sense 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.360 that it's done by a filmmaker who doesn't work in 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:39.039 that world, and he's essentially just documenting for months what 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.800 it's like to be one of these families that lives 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.360 in a place where stuff happens all the time, and 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:52.240 the stresses that come with that and the daily activity 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.640 of it. And so when I talk to him, he said, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.880 you know, it's a portrait. I think it's a great word. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.440 Is a portrait of a family that is in a 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:09.280 situation where there are spirits in the house, and so 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.640 I think it's I think it's a really interesting approach. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:17.320 And I got to talk to the filmmaker and the 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:23.800 mother of the family, and the activity is really based 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:28.359 around her. So that's what you have to look forward 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.200 to today. Before we get to that, let me read 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.919 you a ghost story. This one comes from a listener 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:42.520 named Jeanette. Jeanette writes, for several years, I commuted to 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.560 and from work on a bike, and that commute took 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:53.760 me across the Golden Gate Bridge twice a day. They 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:59.120 say that Golden Gate Bridge is haunted. The bridge is 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:03.000 open to cars and cyclists twenty four to seven, but 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:11.280 pedestrians are only allowed during daylight hours. During dusk, though, 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.360 there's a bit of overlap where there are some pedestrians 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.160 still lagging on the bridge, but the gates only open 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.840 to let them off or let people with bicycles on. 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.600 I spent a lot of time on that bridge by 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.440 myself at night, as during the winter months it was 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.480 always dark when I finished work. The Golden Gate Bridge 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.840 is well known for its beautiful views and architecture, and 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:44.440 is a popular attraction for tourists in San Francisco, but sadly, 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.720 it also has a reputation for being a quite popular 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:53.200 final destination for those who have found life to be 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:58.080 too much. Oh my god, listen, there's a documentary about that. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:02.320 I do not recommend anybody watch it. I watched it 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:09.440 probably a decade ago, and its very heavy. Okay, back 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.280 to Jeanette. Jeanette says, I have definitely felt a mix 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:18.520 of emotional energy on that bridge day and night. But 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.400 on one particular night, the fog was hanging over the 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.839 water in such a way that you could see the 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.080 reflection of the city on the water, but you couldn't 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.640 see the actual city, and it was so thick you 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.039 couldn't see the bridge more than about twenty five meters 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.800 overhead either. As I rounded the bridge suspension tower on 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.480 the city side of the bridge, I saw a guy 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:46.520 standing looking out into the fog. This was really odd 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.080 because it had been dark for some time and he 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.120 didn't have a bike. I suppose he could have been 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:59.080 a straggler, but usually the bridge patrol would have cleared 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.520 the bridge of pedestrians by that hour, but who knows 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.520 at any rate. I stopped next to him and I said, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.960 isn't it cool how you can see the reflection of 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.560 the city on the water. He said he hadn't really noticed, 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.520 but now that I pointed it out, he said, it 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:21.240 is cool. I responded by pointing out, that's just a 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.680 reminder that there is a lot out there on the 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:27.560 other side of the fog. Something I couldn't even imagine 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.680 was coming out of my mouth. But here we were, 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:36.840 he said, I suppose you are right. I told him 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.839 I had to get home and to have a good night, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.200 and then I pushed off on my bike. Something made 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.960 me look back over my shoulder, and dude was gone. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.000 There was no way that he could have disappeared that 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.560 fast without sprinting lightning fast, nor could he have hopped 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.039 the railing. But I did look over just in case, 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.480 and there was no sign of him. As I was 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.440 riding home that night, I had the strange feeling of 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.960 sadness and peace that I can't really explain. I wondered 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.479 if that had happened at all. I still don't know 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.280 if I imagined it, but I get goosebumps whenever I 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:21.800 think about it. Oh myshhh. Well, thank you Jeannette so 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.919 much for sending that a love a San Francisco story. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.440 And one thing I didn't even mention, as annoying as 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.440 I am about it, this conversation that we're about to 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:40.080 have is a New York City Brooklyn story. Hello, let's 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:45.720 get into it. Here is my conversation with filmmaker Shannon 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:52.080 Alexander and Ashley Rowland White, the subject of the new 0:06:52.160 --> 0:07:08.400 film It's Coming and with the show. Oh my goodness. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:15.360 We are joined right now by Ashley and Shannon. Hello. Hello, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:17.040 how are you. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.600 We're good? Happy to be here cold, We're good? 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:28.960 Yeah, it is you're You're in the house right, the house, yes, okay, Aculey's. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.559 House, Yes, where it takes place, where the documentary was shot. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.440 And this is in New York City, right. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.200 This is Brooklyn, New York. Yes, Oh my god. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.040 That's always I'm always staying in Brooklyn. Like I go 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.880 to Brooklyn a couple of times a year. So, like, 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.760 one of these things that we always talk about in 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.440 this podcast is how we never get good New York 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:53.000 ghost stories. So that's one of the biggest reasons why 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:59.960 I'm so excited about talking to you, because you haven't 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:04.480 actively haunted home. I mean, is it still is it 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:05.200 still haunted? 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.800 It's pretty much the same. I'm just learning how to 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.760 navigate a little better, you know, ignoring certain things, taking 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.440 a break from here when I need to. It's hard 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.200 to just get up and leave because I run business 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.200 from here, so it's I'm dealing with it. But there's 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.440 certain times where it is it's okay for a little while. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.320 But it's not just the house. It's definitely not. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.640 Yeah, it's me myself, so it is it doesn't really 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:27.360 matter where I go. 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:33.240 Basically, right, because this is something that started young for you, right, 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.600 and it's all connected. It's the same, you know, it's 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:40.600 started as a child, and now you still have that 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.199 present more presences like what's what's the stories? 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:48.560 So basically, spirits surround me period. Some of them are 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.640 ones that I've seen since I'm younger. Some of them 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.640 I've never seen. I see them so much that most 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.400 of the time when I do see them, I try to, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.560 you know, just ignore it. But it does get a 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.200 little hard because some spirits I feel like when I 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.760 ignore them, they make their presence known by throwing things 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:12.200 or you know, causing embarrassment. When I have company over. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.120 So it's that type of thing. But I've been seeing 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.439 spirits since eleven and it's been normal since eleven. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:24.960 Do you identify as like a psychic, you know, medium. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.439 I honestly never did because I don't think I ever 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.560 thought that deep into it. I think when you're as 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.520 young as I was, you just start to think that 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:37.440 this is this is normal for me. I didn't start 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.040 to think of myself as any type of medium until 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.200 I started to, you know, help people that were going 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.320 through or lost someone in their lives. And you know, 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.760 as far as like communication, you know, given messages. That's 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.880 when it kind of rang in my head. But I still, 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.640 you know, didn't take it too seriously. But spirit gives 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:55.640 me a message for someone, I'll give it, but I 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.360 haven't made it, like, you know, my business to go 0:09:58.440 --> 0:09:59.360 out and try to. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.200 Do that right. Because it started with you were saying 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:08.240 in the documentary a person appeared to you that looked 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.760 like Kevin from the Backstreet Boys. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.640 I did you know what? I had to be honest, Okay, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.559 when we were filming, I was asked to describe what 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.960 the entity looked like. So Kevin used to wear these 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.439 long black Jackets when he had the longer hair. Yes, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.400 and it was the only thing that stuck out because 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.280 ever since I've seen this entity, I've always said that 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.640 to myself, like, from the back, it looks like Kevin 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.640 So yes. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.800 Okay, so you saw him. You didn't see his face. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.640 Though, No, his face is always just you know, dark 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.000 and kind of faded a little bit. But from the back, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.720 I can see full body, and that's exactly what you 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.040 know it would look like from the back. Now, some 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:51.920 of them I see just like I see you and me. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.720 But that entity and some other entities I see as dark. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:11:00.400 Figures, and that one is still around. Yes, wow, Wow. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.960 That might be Astley's spirit God who's being with her 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.960 her whole life since she was eleven up to this point. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.280 Here intimately comes in and out of your life. 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.480 Right, I mean, I'm not really sure if he's a 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.720 spirit guide, to be honest, I just know he's the 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.079 first one I've seen in one I see quite often. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.080 And it's confusing because sometimes I do see that entity 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.920 right before something bad is gonna happen. You know, Sometime 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.920 I feel like it's a warning because most of the 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.160 time when I see this entity, he just stands there. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.960 So and when he stands there, it's like telepathically, like 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.160 he's trying to tell me something. And there's been a 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.960 few times in my life where it was, you know, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.840 I was needed to avoid something and I ended up 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.160 doing that because I had seen that entity. So but 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.240 it's still scary. So that's why I think I'm confused 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.720 as far as like, do I spirit guide not a 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.920 spirit guide type of thing. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.440 He has helped you in a lot of instances with 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.600 your health a couple. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.240 Well that's good. I mean, so it sounds like he's 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.959 not one of the ones to look out for like 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:06.280 you have you have worse. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.720 No. Originally, when I was younger, I thought so, But 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.920 as I got older, No, I don't think so. I've 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:12.720 seen much worse. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.520 So how many are we talking? Like, how how many 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:22.079 are there that are reoccurring spirits reoccurring? 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.400 If you want me to give your account reoccurring, I 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:26.360 would say there's four. 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.040 Okay, for that I. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.640 Would see, And I don't mean like an everyday basis, 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.520 but when things are very stressful in my life, I'm 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.240 just going through a lot of chaos, they always appear. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.880 So I would say at least four and for the 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.200 most part, I see spirits who I've never met before. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.040 I call them pastors, people who have passed away, people 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.160 that have been in accidents, and things of that nature. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.160 But you know, I don't particularly know them, never seen 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.679 them before. In the living world. I see sometime. I 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.439 would feel like more people in the afterlife world than 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:03.760 I do here. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.839 So and you're talking like walking down the street or 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.800 they like come visit you in your home. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.760 Well, most of the time I see okay outside. I 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.920 have seen some outside that I'm mistaken for regular people, 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.080 until later on, maybe days later, I would see the 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:25.480 same entity in my house or in a hotel. I 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.839 travel a lot, so I get that too. I really 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.760 don't know how to explain why. I've been asking myself 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.720 forever why if it's if I could cut it off 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.559 sometime I would. But I can literally just be sitting 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.280 home watching TV and see two people just walk right 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.040 past like they're not in my house, you know. And 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.480 it became normal to the point where I just ignored 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.559 it until my kids started to see it. That's when 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.400 it kind of got uncomfortable. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:14:00.960 Did you have, like any other relatives besides yourself that 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.040 had this stability or whatever you want to call it. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.320 I wouldn't say the exact ability as in seeing full 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.439 body apparitions like I do. But my mother does get 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.640 a lot of premonitions, and she'll get premonitions about, you know, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.880 someone passing away or something about to happen. And I 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.600 can tell you that she's never been wrong. So I 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.800 would say, you know, in a way, she's spiritually connected 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.800 in that way, but just not I don't think she 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.680 she doesn't have the abilities I have to actually see 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.080 and speak to them and you know, do that. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.200 That's so interesting because, like I mean, but that's what's 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:45.400 so difficult is to wrap your head around because like 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:50.160 you also are getting physical manifestation, like things are moving, 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.240 things are happening that aren't just you guys are sort 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.960 of seeing things that you know are in your mind's 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.280 eye or however you want to look at it. You're 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.680 actually like they're actually something going on. 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.880 Yes, Yes, when your child comes to you and says 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.080 a matter of fact, I'll say, like this, when your 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:14.360 child describes the exact same entity that you've been seeing 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.400 or that you've just seen five minutes ago, down to 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:21.000 the tee or spirits call my name a lot, so 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.120 my son started coming to me saying, who is that 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.440 calling you? So that's when I figured out that, Okay, 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.040 not only is he seeing the exact same people I'm seeing, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.280 he's hearing what I'm hearing. He'll even come and get 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.400 me sometimes to say, Ma, there's someone standing in the 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.880 living room. You know, I know that they're deceased, but 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:40.680 can you tell me what you see to see? If 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.040 we see the same thing? And we do. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.680 I wonder if you have other relatives that just never 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.440 told you thought about that. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.600 That's so weird you said that because I literally thought 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.720 about that, because if you think about it, this is 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.560 not something that I think people feel comfortable talking about 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.960 all the time. Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe they just they 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.040 just don't me personally. Growing up, people that were in 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.080 my family, they definitely knew that I could see what 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.280 I could see, but I wouldn't take it like outside 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.440 the family because I didn't want to see, you know, 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.800 nuts or anything like that. So I thought about it. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.960 Maybe they just never talked about it. 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:18.680 So what changed? 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:18.840 Like? 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.760 What made you be like, Okay, I'm going to tell 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:22.360 people about this. 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.840 Okay. So when this originally started, it was supposed to 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.840 be about sleep, aaralysis because I do suffer from that, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.640 and I feel like I suffer from sleep paralysis because 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.360 the spirits they interact with me, they won't let me sleep, 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.400 They keep me up some nights. So when I was 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.800 trying to explain just that part of it, things started 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.760 happening while we were filming. They were throwing things, knocking 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.640 things over. So I think I got to the point 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.760 where I just told Shannon, like, listen, this is gonna 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.720 sound weird, but spirits follow me. My house is haunted, 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.760 and reality I'm haunted. So that's how we worked, you know, 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.720 That's how it ended up turning into that direction. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.679 And then two of the children backed up everything actually 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.679 was saying when I first met Ashley in the family, 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.879 and I spoke to Javier, who was seven at the time. 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.520 And then her eldest daughter, Selena, who. 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.120 Was like thirteen, She was thirteen, and then they they 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.720 second everything that actually was saying and had spoken about 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.760 seeing things themselves, and I realized that's where the story is. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.800 It's not really about well I initially planned, this is 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.359 about a family inundated with these entities in the middle 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.359 of Brooklyn somewhere. So that's what we went with. 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.160 You can imagine you're going to someone's house and all 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.840 these things are happening. At a certain point that person 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.360 has to say something. So, you know, because I never 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.199 planned to get that in detailed, what they were making me. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.919 The spirits were making me get into detail because they 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.920 kept We had to stop recording a few times because 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.639 you know, things were happening. So once I explained it 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.880 to them, I said, you know, it's nothing to worry about. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.040 They're not going to hurt you, but this is what's 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.439 going on. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.320 You did say they didn't like me though, didn't not 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:01.280 want the cameras there. 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:03.840 No, they didn't. I don't think they liked him, but 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:08.080 I don't think the entities that reside around me liked 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.760 that I was speaking about what I was speaking about. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.320 I think because I had never spoke about it before, 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.479 unless it was just family, that they probably said, well, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.919 what is she doing? Is she just telling everything? And 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:20.920 I guess I was. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.159 Have you like talk to them since the documentary has 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.680 been out? Yeah, do they know that they are now, 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:31.760 you know, movie stars. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.080 I haven't had that exact conversation, but I have had 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:39.040 two of them tell me that, you know, everybody might 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.679 not take well to it, people are gonna think you're nuts, 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:46.359 you know, that type of negativity to make me, you know, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.080 maybe stop in my tracks and don't proceed anymore. Mm. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:52.919 That has happened, right, people have been saying, I mean 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:53.960 most it was being positive. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.760 Yeah, and to you know, they were giving me warnings 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.119 about how people would proceed it. And then after that, 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.760 I actually did get weird emails, you know, text messages 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.840 from different people. I don't even know how they got 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.000 my number, but saying that the church wouldn't like what 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:15.000 I'm doing. I shouldn't speak about spirits and any spirit 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.120 that you come across as what do they call them, 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.359 familiar spirits? So I was told that all spirits are 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.400 bad and I shouldn't be you know, engaging that. Yeah. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.040 Someone said I was being watched too. That was weird. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.920 See, all that kind of stuff is always gonna happen 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.040 if you do anything paranormal. I've been doing this podcast 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:39.680 podcast for six years and I have had, like I've 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.679 I've had so much of that. And you encounter a 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.880 lot of people that are one hundred percent convinced that 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:52.200 they know what all these things are and they're either 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:57.639 going to save you or just start running their mouths 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.359 at you whatever it is. But they're like, how our 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.840 demons those are what? I don't know, Yeah, it just happens. 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.280 Or they'll just say you're making it up, you're crazy. Whatever, 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.679 it happens, no matter what. But there's also a lot 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.160 of people that don't feel that way. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:13.680 Yeah, I think you're gotta have tough skin to talk 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.399 about it, because it's one of those things where you know, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.119 like we're saying, people might think you're nuts. So you know, 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.560 every time I do an interview or anything, in the 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:25.879 back of my mind, I'm like, people are gonna think 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.480 I'm crazy, But I can only tell you that this 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.160 is my life and this is what I've been going 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.159 through since eleven, so it's nothing new. I think people 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.640 find it more intriguing than I do myself, because it's 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.959 happening to me, you know, on a normal basis. But 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.240 for those people who did see it and we're skeptics 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.439 and said to me, wow, I don't think I'm a 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.720 skeptic anymore. I mean, you know, that's good in a way. 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.160 I mean, see that's that that would be my temptation, 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.399 would be like to round up all those haters and 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.280 be like, then come over, We're gonna do everybody, come 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.400 over here and I'll show you. 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:05.000 I love that idea. 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.879 Yeah, So, Shannon, did you believe in this kind of 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.879 stuff when you started? And where are you at with 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:11.199 all that? 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:13.199 I didn't disbelieve it. 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:15.480 I was open, but I had a healthy amount of 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.960 skepticism going into it when I was speaking to it 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.879 Ashley initially, but then all the odd experiences definitely added 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:26.159 up to me forming my opinion of Ashley's testimony and 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:30.280 the kids and really believing them pretty early on. And 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.160 I just think it's really difficult for kids to lie 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.520 at such a sophisticated level as the way the kids 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.760 came across. So I just didn't think that they were 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.000 capable of it. With the questions I was asking and 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.800 hanging out with them for that period of time six seven, 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:43.399 eight months. 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:43.960 Or whatever, it was. 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:44.520 Wow. 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:46.880 So I completely hardly. 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.840 Believed and they weren't. Originally it was just me and 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:53.200 him originally, you know, it was my getting my perspective 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:55.639 on things. So when we would take breaks, you know 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:57.600 what you have to do, you know, the kids would 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.000 be around, So just in conversation, you know, my kids 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.720 are like, yeah, that's normal here, I mean around us, 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.520 this is we always, you know, have those type of encounters. 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:08.919 And they had the same attitude like I did, you know, 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:10.040 likes it's normal. 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:12.719 And it was the physical things we recorded early on, 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.439 like the shadows running across, dancing from one side of 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.720 the front to the other that we had seen down 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.080 that hallway that actually and the kids mentioned where they 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:24.119 were seeing these figures and shadows, and we saw literally 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.800 shadows being captured while we were filming. But then after 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.479 the fact, when I was editing, sifting through the footage 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:34.520 and I came across things, the fire brigade came because 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:38.560 I was that odd odor, the microphans, the microphone stands 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.840 falling over, almost as though they were attacking. Actually, all 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:45.159 these physical things would happen, lots of lights and electrical 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.040 objects cutting in and out when I would enter the house, 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.400 and things. It's just the combination of too many things 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.760 that really really swayed me in a particular direction. But now, 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.440 I'm not from a paranormal background. My background is in filmmaking. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:00.439