Speaker 1: What's that happens spooky? Hey, juky, I'm really sure it's dead.
Speaker 1: It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I said.
Speaker 1: Nandas.
Speaker 3: Please Hey boo, it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted
Speaker 3: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people
Speaker 3: that I like about the paranormal.
Speaker 1: I said just here at the beginning of the year
Speaker 1: that this year I'm going to start occasionally bringing on
Speaker 1: people that aren't necessarily my wacky show business friends to
Speaker 1: laugh about the silliness of the other side. And today's
Speaker 1: one of those examples. I have on two people that
Speaker 1: I have never met before, but they have a new
Speaker 1: documentary film. It is called It's Coming, and it is well,
Speaker 1: it's coming, honey. It's different than most ghost hunting type
Speaker 1: things that we've all seen in the in the sense
Speaker 1: that it's done by a filmmaker who doesn't work in
Speaker 1: that world, and he's essentially just documenting for months what
Speaker 1: it's like to be one of these families that lives
Speaker 1: in a place where stuff happens all the time, and
Speaker 1: the stresses that come with that and the daily activity
Speaker 1: of it. And so when I talk to him, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a portrait. I think it's a great word.
Speaker 1: Is a portrait of a family that is in a
Speaker 1: situation where there are spirits in the house, and so
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a really interesting approach.
Speaker 1: And I got to talk to the filmmaker and the
Speaker 1: mother of the family, and the activity is really based
Speaker 1: around her. So that's what you have to look forward
Speaker 1: to today. Before we get to that, let me read
Speaker 1: you a ghost story. This one comes from a listener
Speaker 1: named Jeanette. Jeanette writes, for several years, I commuted to
Speaker 1: and from work on a bike, and that commute took
Speaker 1: me across the Golden Gate Bridge twice a day. They
Speaker 1: say that Golden Gate Bridge is haunted. The bridge is
Speaker 1: open to cars and cyclists twenty four to seven, but
Speaker 1: pedestrians are only allowed during daylight hours. During dusk, though,
Speaker 1: there's a bit of overlap where there are some pedestrians
Speaker 1: still lagging on the bridge, but the gates only open
Speaker 1: to let them off or let people with bicycles on.
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time on that bridge by
Speaker 1: myself at night, as during the winter months it was
Speaker 1: always dark when I finished work. The Golden Gate Bridge
Speaker 1: is well known for its beautiful views and architecture, and
Speaker 1: is a popular attraction for tourists in San Francisco, but sadly,
Speaker 1: it also has a reputation for being a quite popular
Speaker 1: final destination for those who have found life to be
Speaker 1: too much. Oh my god, listen, there's a documentary about that.
Speaker 1: I do not recommend anybody watch it. I watched it
Speaker 1: probably a decade ago, and its very heavy. Okay, back
Speaker 1: to Jeanette. Jeanette says, I have definitely felt a mix
Speaker 1: of emotional energy on that bridge day and night. But
Speaker 1: on one particular night, the fog was hanging over the
Speaker 1: water in such a way that you could see the
Speaker 1: reflection of the city on the water, but you couldn't
Speaker 1: see the actual city, and it was so thick you
Speaker 1: couldn't see the bridge more than about twenty five meters
Speaker 1: overhead either. As I rounded the bridge suspension tower on
Speaker 1: the city side of the bridge, I saw a guy
Speaker 1: standing looking out into the fog. This was really odd
Speaker 1: because it had been dark for some time and he
Speaker 1: didn't have a bike. I suppose he could have been
Speaker 1: a straggler, but usually the bridge patrol would have cleared
Speaker 1: the bridge of pedestrians by that hour, but who knows
Speaker 1: at any rate. I stopped next to him and I said,
Speaker 1: isn't it cool how you can see the reflection of
Speaker 1: the city on the water. He said he hadn't really noticed,
Speaker 1: but now that I pointed it out, he said, it
Speaker 1: is cool. I responded by pointing out, that's just a
Speaker 1: reminder that there is a lot out there on the
Speaker 1: other side of the fog. Something I couldn't even imagine
Speaker 1: was coming out of my mouth. But here we were,
Speaker 1: he said, I suppose you are right. I told him
Speaker 1: I had to get home and to have a good night,
Speaker 1: and then I pushed off on my bike. Something made
Speaker 1: me look back over my shoulder, and dude was gone.
Speaker 1: There was no way that he could have disappeared that
Speaker 1: fast without sprinting lightning fast, nor could he have hopped
Speaker 1: the railing. But I did look over just in case,
Speaker 1: and there was no sign of him. As I was
Speaker 1: riding home that night, I had the strange feeling of
Speaker 1: sadness and peace that I can't really explain. I wondered
Speaker 1: if that had happened at all. I still don't know
Speaker 1: if I imagined it, but I get goosebumps whenever I
Speaker 1: think about it. Oh myshhh. Well, thank you Jeannette so
Speaker 1: much for sending that a love a San Francisco story.
Speaker 1: And one thing I didn't even mention, as annoying as
Speaker 1: I am about it, this conversation that we're about to
Speaker 1: have is a New York City Brooklyn story. Hello, let's
Speaker 1: get into it. Here is my conversation with filmmaker Shannon
Speaker 1: Alexander and Ashley Rowland White, the subject of the new
Speaker 1: film It's Coming and with the show. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: We are joined right now by Ashley and Shannon. Hello. Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you.
Speaker 2: We're good? Happy to be here cold, We're good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is you're You're in the house right, the house, yes, okay, Aculey's.
Speaker 4: House, Yes, where it takes place, where the documentary was shot.
Speaker 1: And this is in New York City, right.
Speaker 2: This is Brooklyn, New York. Yes, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That's always I'm always staying in Brooklyn. Like I go
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn a couple of times a year. So, like,
Speaker 1: one of these things that we always talk about in
Speaker 1: this podcast is how we never get good New York
Speaker 1: ghost stories. So that's one of the biggest reasons why
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about talking to you, because you haven't
Speaker 1: actively haunted home. I mean, is it still is it
Speaker 1: still haunted?
Speaker 2: It's pretty much the same. I'm just learning how to
Speaker 2: navigate a little better, you know, ignoring certain things, taking
Speaker 2: a break from here when I need to. It's hard
Speaker 2: to just get up and leave because I run business
Speaker 2: from here, so it's I'm dealing with it. But there's
Speaker 2: certain times where it is it's okay for a little while.
Speaker 5: But it's not just the house. It's definitely not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's me myself, so it is it doesn't really
Speaker 2: matter where I go.
Speaker 1: Basically, right, because this is something that started young for you, right,
Speaker 1: and it's all connected. It's the same, you know, it's
Speaker 1: started as a child, and now you still have that
Speaker 1: present more presences like what's what's the stories?
Speaker 2: So basically, spirits surround me period. Some of them are
Speaker 2: ones that I've seen since I'm younger. Some of them
Speaker 2: I've never seen. I see them so much that most
Speaker 2: of the time when I do see them, I try to,
Speaker 2: you know, just ignore it. But it does get a
Speaker 2: little hard because some spirits I feel like when I
Speaker 2: ignore them, they make their presence known by throwing things
Speaker 2: or you know, causing embarrassment. When I have company over.
Speaker 2: So it's that type of thing. But I've been seeing
Speaker 2: spirits since eleven and it's been normal since eleven.
Speaker 1: Do you identify as like a psychic, you know, medium.
Speaker 2: I honestly never did because I don't think I ever
Speaker 2: thought that deep into it. I think when you're as
Speaker 2: young as I was, you just start to think that
Speaker 2: this is this is normal for me. I didn't start
Speaker 2: to think of myself as any type of medium until
Speaker 2: I started to, you know, help people that were going
Speaker 2: through or lost someone in their lives. And you know,
Speaker 2: as far as like communication, you know, given messages. That's
Speaker 2: when it kind of rang in my head. But I still,
Speaker 2: you know, didn't take it too seriously. But spirit gives
Speaker 2: me a message for someone, I'll give it, but I
Speaker 2: haven't made it, like, you know, my business to go
Speaker 2: out and try to.
Speaker 1: Do that right. Because it started with you were saying
Speaker 1: in the documentary a person appeared to you that looked
Speaker 1: like Kevin from the Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 2: I did you know what? I had to be honest, Okay,
Speaker 2: when we were filming, I was asked to describe what
Speaker 2: the entity looked like. So Kevin used to wear these
Speaker 2: long black Jackets when he had the longer hair. Yes,
Speaker 2: and it was the only thing that stuck out because
Speaker 2: ever since I've seen this entity, I've always said that
Speaker 2: to myself, like, from the back, it looks like Kevin
Speaker 2: So yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you saw him. You didn't see his face.
Speaker 2: Though, No, his face is always just you know, dark
Speaker 2: and kind of faded a little bit. But from the back,
Speaker 2: I can see full body, and that's exactly what you
Speaker 2: know it would look like from the back. Now, some
Speaker 2: of them I see just like I see you and me.
Speaker 2: But that entity and some other entities I see as dark.
Speaker 1: Figures, and that one is still around. Yes, wow, Wow.
Speaker 4: That might be Astley's spirit God who's being with her
Speaker 4: her whole life since she was eleven up to this point.
Speaker 4: Here intimately comes in and out of your life.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I'm not really sure if he's a
Speaker 2: spirit guide, to be honest, I just know he's the
Speaker 2: first one I've seen in one I see quite often.
Speaker 2: And it's confusing because sometimes I do see that entity
Speaker 2: right before something bad is gonna happen. You know, Sometime
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a warning because most of the
Speaker 2: time when I see this entity, he just stands there.
Speaker 2: So and when he stands there, it's like telepathically, like
Speaker 2: he's trying to tell me something. And there's been a
Speaker 2: few times in my life where it was, you know,
Speaker 2: I was needed to avoid something and I ended up
Speaker 2: doing that because I had seen that entity. So but
Speaker 2: it's still scary. So that's why I think I'm confused
Speaker 2: as far as like, do I spirit guide not a
Speaker 2: spirit guide type of thing.
Speaker 4: He has helped you in a lot of instances with
Speaker 4: your health a couple.
Speaker 1: Well that's good. I mean, so it sounds like he's
Speaker 1: not one of the ones to look out for like
Speaker 1: you have you have worse.
Speaker 2: No. Originally, when I was younger, I thought so, But
Speaker 2: as I got older, No, I don't think so. I've
Speaker 2: seen much worse.
Speaker 1: So how many are we talking? Like, how how many
Speaker 1: are there that are reoccurring spirits reoccurring?
Speaker 2: If you want me to give your account reoccurring, I
Speaker 2: would say there's four.
Speaker 1: Okay, for that I.
Speaker 2: Would see, And I don't mean like an everyday basis,
Speaker 2: but when things are very stressful in my life, I'm
Speaker 2: just going through a lot of chaos, they always appear.
Speaker 2: So I would say at least four and for the
Speaker 2: most part, I see spirits who I've never met before.
Speaker 2: I call them pastors, people who have passed away, people
Speaker 2: that have been in accidents, and things of that nature.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't particularly know them, never seen
Speaker 2: them before. In the living world. I see sometime. I
Speaker 2: would feel like more people in the afterlife world than
Speaker 2: I do here.
Speaker 1: So and you're talking like walking down the street or
Speaker 1: they like come visit you in your home.
Speaker 2: Well, most of the time I see okay outside. I
Speaker 2: have seen some outside that I'm mistaken for regular people,
Speaker 2: until later on, maybe days later, I would see the
Speaker 2: same entity in my house or in a hotel. I
Speaker 2: travel a lot, so I get that too. I really
Speaker 2: don't know how to explain why. I've been asking myself
Speaker 2: forever why if it's if I could cut it off
Speaker 2: sometime I would. But I can literally just be sitting
Speaker 2: home watching TV and see two people just walk right
Speaker 2: past like they're not in my house, you know. And
Speaker 2: it became normal to the point where I just ignored
Speaker 2: it until my kids started to see it. That's when
Speaker 2: it kind of got uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Did you have, like any other relatives besides yourself that
Speaker 1: had this stability or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say the exact ability as in seeing full
Speaker 2: body apparitions like I do. But my mother does get
Speaker 2: a lot of premonitions, and she'll get premonitions about, you know,
Speaker 2: someone passing away or something about to happen. And I
Speaker 2: can tell you that she's never been wrong. So I
Speaker 2: would say, you know, in a way, she's spiritually connected
Speaker 2: in that way, but just not I don't think she
Speaker 2: she doesn't have the abilities I have to actually see
Speaker 2: and speak to them and you know, do that.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because, like I mean, but that's what's
Speaker 1: so difficult is to wrap your head around because like
Speaker 1: you also are getting physical manifestation, like things are moving,
Speaker 1: things are happening that aren't just you guys are sort
Speaker 1: of seeing things that you know are in your mind's
Speaker 1: eye or however you want to look at it. You're
Speaker 1: actually like they're actually something going on.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, when your child comes to you and says
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I'll say, like this, when your
Speaker 2: child describes the exact same entity that you've been seeing
Speaker 2: or that you've just seen five minutes ago, down to
Speaker 2: the tee or spirits call my name a lot, so
Speaker 2: my son started coming to me saying, who is that
Speaker 2: calling you? So that's when I figured out that, Okay,
Speaker 2: not only is he seeing the exact same people I'm seeing,
Speaker 2: he's hearing what I'm hearing. He'll even come and get
Speaker 2: me sometimes to say, Ma, there's someone standing in the
Speaker 2: living room. You know, I know that they're deceased, but
Speaker 2: can you tell me what you see to see? If
Speaker 2: we see the same thing? And we do.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you have other relatives that just never
Speaker 1: told you thought about that.
Speaker 2: That's so weird you said that because I literally thought
Speaker 2: about that, because if you think about it, this is
Speaker 2: not something that I think people feel comfortable talking about
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe they just they
Speaker 2: just don't me personally. Growing up, people that were in
Speaker 2: my family, they definitely knew that I could see what
Speaker 2: I could see, but I wouldn't take it like outside
Speaker 2: the family because I didn't want to see, you know,
Speaker 2: nuts or anything like that. So I thought about it.
Speaker 2: Maybe they just never talked about it.
Speaker 1: So what changed?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What made you be like, Okay, I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: people about this.
Speaker 2: Okay. So when this originally started, it was supposed to
Speaker 2: be about sleep, aaralysis because I do suffer from that,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I suffer from sleep paralysis because
Speaker 2: the spirits they interact with me, they won't let me sleep,
Speaker 2: They keep me up some nights. So when I was
Speaker 2: trying to explain just that part of it, things started
Speaker 2: happening while we were filming. They were throwing things, knocking
Speaker 2: things over. So I think I got to the point
Speaker 2: where I just told Shannon, like, listen, this is gonna
Speaker 2: sound weird, but spirits follow me. My house is haunted,
Speaker 2: and reality I'm haunted. So that's how we worked, you know,
Speaker 2: That's how it ended up turning into that direction.
Speaker 4: And then two of the children backed up everything actually
Speaker 4: was saying when I first met Ashley in the family,
Speaker 4: and I spoke to Javier, who was seven at the time.
Speaker 5: And then her eldest daughter, Selena, who.
Speaker 4: Was like thirteen, She was thirteen, and then they they
Speaker 4: second everything that actually was saying and had spoken about
Speaker 4: seeing things themselves, and I realized that's where the story is.
Speaker 4: It's not really about well I initially planned, this is
Speaker 4: about a family inundated with these entities in the middle
Speaker 4: of Brooklyn somewhere. So that's what we went with.
Speaker 2: You can imagine you're going to someone's house and all
Speaker 2: these things are happening. At a certain point that person
Speaker 2: has to say something. So, you know, because I never
Speaker 2: planned to get that in detailed, what they were making me.
Speaker 2: The spirits were making me get into detail because they
Speaker 2: kept We had to stop recording a few times because
Speaker 2: you know, things were happening. So once I explained it
Speaker 2: to them, I said, you know, it's nothing to worry about.
Speaker 2: They're not going to hurt you, but this is what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 5: You did say they didn't like me though, didn't not
Speaker 5: want the cameras there.
Speaker 2: No, they didn't. I don't think they liked him, but
Speaker 2: I don't think the entities that reside around me liked
Speaker 2: that I was speaking about what I was speaking about.
Speaker 2: I think because I had never spoke about it before,
Speaker 2: unless it was just family, that they probably said, well,
Speaker 2: what is she doing? Is she just telling everything? And
Speaker 2: I guess I was.
Speaker 1: Have you like talk to them since the documentary has
Speaker 1: been out? Yeah, do they know that they are now,
Speaker 1: you know, movie stars.
Speaker 2: I haven't had that exact conversation, but I have had
Speaker 2: two of them tell me that, you know, everybody might
Speaker 2: not take well to it, people are gonna think you're nuts,
Speaker 2: you know, that type of negativity to make me, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe stop in my tracks and don't proceed anymore. Mm.
Speaker 4: That has happened, right, people have been saying, I mean
Speaker 4: most it was being positive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to you know, they were giving me warnings
Speaker 2: about how people would proceed it. And then after that,
Speaker 2: I actually did get weird emails, you know, text messages
Speaker 2: from different people. I don't even know how they got
Speaker 2: my number, but saying that the church wouldn't like what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I shouldn't speak about spirits and any spirit
Speaker 2: that you come across as what do they call them,
Speaker 2: familiar spirits? So I was told that all spirits are
Speaker 2: bad and I shouldn't be you know, engaging that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Someone said I was being watched too. That was weird.
Speaker 1: See, all that kind of stuff is always gonna happen
Speaker 1: if you do anything paranormal. I've been doing this podcast
Speaker 1: podcast for six years and I have had, like I've
Speaker 1: I've had so much of that. And you encounter a
Speaker 1: lot of people that are one hundred percent convinced that
Speaker 1: they know what all these things are and they're either
Speaker 1: going to save you or just start running their mouths
Speaker 1: at you whatever it is. But they're like, how our
Speaker 1: demons those are what? I don't know, Yeah, it just happens.
Speaker 1: Or they'll just say you're making it up, you're crazy. Whatever,
Speaker 1: it happens, no matter what. But there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of people that don't feel that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're gotta have tough skin to talk
Speaker 2: about it, because it's one of those things where you know,
Speaker 2: like we're saying, people might think you're nuts. So you know,
Speaker 2: every time I do an interview or anything, in the
Speaker 2: back of my mind, I'm like, people are gonna think
Speaker 2: I'm crazy, But I can only tell you that this
Speaker 2: is my life and this is what I've been going
Speaker 2: through since eleven, so it's nothing new. I think people
Speaker 2: find it more intriguing than I do myself, because it's
Speaker 2: happening to me, you know, on a normal basis. But
Speaker 2: for those people who did see it and we're skeptics
Speaker 2: and said to me, wow, I don't think I'm a
Speaker 2: skeptic anymore. I mean, you know, that's good in a way.
Speaker 1: I mean, see that's that that would be my temptation,
Speaker 1: would be like to round up all those haters and
Speaker 1: be like, then come over, We're gonna do everybody, come
Speaker 1: over here and I'll show you.
Speaker 5: I love that idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Shannon, did you believe in this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff when you started? And where are you at with
Speaker 1: all that?
Speaker 5: I didn't disbelieve it.
Speaker 4: I was open, but I had a healthy amount of
Speaker 4: skepticism going into it when I was speaking to it
Speaker 4: Ashley initially, but then all the odd experiences definitely added
Speaker 4: up to me forming my opinion of Ashley's testimony and
Speaker 4: the kids and really believing them pretty early on. And
Speaker 4: I just think it's really difficult for kids to lie
Speaker 4: at such a sophisticated level as the way the kids
Speaker 4: came across. So I just didn't think that they were
Speaker 4: capable of it. With the questions I was asking and
Speaker 4: hanging out with them for that period of time six seven,
Speaker 4: eight months.
Speaker 5: Or whatever, it was.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: So I completely hardly.
Speaker 2: Believed and they weren't. Originally it was just me and
Speaker 2: him originally, you know, it was my getting my perspective
Speaker 2: on things. So when we would take breaks, you know
Speaker 2: what you have to do, you know, the kids would
Speaker 2: be around, So just in conversation, you know, my kids
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, that's normal here, I mean around us,
Speaker 2: this is we always, you know, have those type of encounters.
Speaker 2: And they had the same attitude like I did, you know,
Speaker 2: likes it's normal.
Speaker 4: And it was the physical things we recorded early on,
Speaker 4: like the shadows running across, dancing from one side of
Speaker 4: the front to the other that we had seen down
Speaker 4: that hallway that actually and the kids mentioned where they
Speaker 4: were seeing these figures and shadows, and we saw literally
Speaker 4: shadows being captured while we were filming. But then after
Speaker 4: the fact, when I was editing, sifting through the footage
Speaker 4: and I came across things, the fire brigade came because
Speaker 4: I was that odd odor, the microphans, the microphone stands
Speaker 4: falling over, almost as though they were attacking. Actually, all
Speaker 4: these physical things would happen, lots of lights and electrical
Speaker 4: objects cutting in and out when I would enter the house,
Speaker 4: and things. It's just the combination of too many things
Speaker 4: that really really swayed me in a particular direction. But now,
Speaker 4: I'm not from a paranormal background. My background is in filmmaking.
Speaker 4: I was just open to the idea of people with
Speaker 4: sleep issues, and then it just evolved from that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where did that come from? How did you own.
Speaker 4: My own problems with I mean, I can sleep, but
Speaker 4: I'm more of a knot person. A nod out quote unquote, Sorry,
Speaker 4: I just had difficulties sleeping.
Speaker 5: I was just interested in.
Speaker 4: People had in so many or sleep prowls or clan
Speaker 4: to have these experiences, so that I didn't know what
Speaker 4: I wanted to do with it at the time. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to investigate it. And then this this project
Speaker 4: just unfolded really organically. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think very organically because it went a whole
Speaker 2: other direction than what we were originally doing.
Speaker 4: Totally, but we went with it and it became what
Speaker 4: it became.
Speaker 2: And we've had We did Q and a's also, you know,
Speaker 2: leading up to the release, and we did live interviews
Speaker 2: where the interviewer would come to the house and almost
Speaker 2: everyone that came things happened. We had one come and
Speaker 2: there's a guy named James. He's an entity that's usually
Speaker 2: around my house. He yelled. The entity yelled, and the
Speaker 2: other person heard it in real time like I did,
Speaker 2: and well we all did. The group Yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 2: were like, oh my god, did you hear that? And
Speaker 2: for the first time, I'm like, okay, So people are
Speaker 2: hearing what I'm what I'm going for.
Speaker 5: Also, the people on the zoom would hear it.
Speaker 4: On the other end, you picking up on people's yeah,
Speaker 4: crying and and reading into what they were going through.
Speaker 6: And the cords, the cables on the ceiling that were flickering,
Speaker 6: a lot of odd voices that everyone who partook in
Speaker 6: the zoom was saying first time in real time.
Speaker 4: So your idea was about having people over for a
Speaker 4: little U don't know experience would be crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, it's very intimate to have people
Speaker 1: in your home and you've got kids and stuff. But
Speaker 1: I always just I just want to shut those people up.
Speaker 1: I just want those people to see something that they'll
Speaker 1: never forget. Do you feel right now that there's like
Speaker 1: anybody in the room with you.
Speaker 2: Well, there's one girl. Her name is Emily, and she's
Speaker 2: always here so that I I can't say I don't
Speaker 2: count her, but she's just always around, so yes, okay,
Speaker 2: and she's just chilling and we've been conflicted. I've told
Speaker 2: other people about her, and some people said, well, do
Speaker 2: you really think it's a child, Because you do know
Speaker 2: that entities, bad entities, can you know they can take
Speaker 2: on any shape or anything they want to try to
Speaker 2: fool you. This particular entity I know is a child
Speaker 2: because I ended up doing just my own research once
Speaker 2: she started coming around and found out that she died
Speaker 2: in a car accident at seven years old.
Speaker 1: Oh you found a real person.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. This was a real child. She died
Speaker 2: at seven years old in a car accident. And the
Speaker 2: thing is, this entity told me that, but I decided
Speaker 2: let me go do a little research. You know, we
Speaker 2: live in a digital era now, and I was able
Speaker 2: to find her death. So this entity is a child,
Speaker 2: and I really don't mind her being around. She's never
Speaker 2: shown any aggression or anything, you know, where I would
Speaker 2: be nervous or paranoid about.
Speaker 1: So is she attached to this apartment or.
Speaker 2: Is she No, she's attached to me for some reason. Okay,
Speaker 2: still haven't figured that out. It's been h five years
Speaker 2: that she's been you know, she comes around, especially when
Speaker 2: I do these you know, little events more like curiosity.
Speaker 2: You know, she's lost her What could I don't know
Speaker 2: because she's never said anything about why she's attached. I
Speaker 2: just know she's attached.
Speaker 1: Well, she she probably knows that you're a great mother
Speaker 1: and she's just like.
Speaker 2: I thought of that reason too. One of my friends
Speaker 2: had had said that to me, you know, when I
Speaker 2: was running it past her, like I keep seeing this
Speaker 2: this one little girl, and she was like, well, it's something,
Speaker 2: especially once I found out that she actually was a
Speaker 2: child when she died, and it was a real kid.
Speaker 2: She was like, she must feel comfortable around you.
Speaker 1: Where did she live?
Speaker 2: Where does she live in Tennessee?
Speaker 1: Did you go there?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't go there. I looked it up to be,
Speaker 2: you know, just going off of, you know, the conversations
Speaker 2: that me and her had. And to be clear, every
Speaker 2: time I run into an entity, they do not communicate.
Speaker 2: All of them do not communicate. There are some that
Speaker 2: I'm just seeing they see me, I see them, and
Speaker 2: that's that. But the ones that want to communicate to me.
Speaker 2: This is just my opinion. I feel like most of
Speaker 2: the time, those have not been the bad ones. Those
Speaker 2: have not been evil. They haven't been I get a
Speaker 2: cold feeling when I'm looking at one of them that
Speaker 2: doesn't speak at all. That's usually bad. Oh, bad things
Speaker 2: always happened, you know around that time or the next day.
Speaker 2: I'll have a really bad day. So I'm convinced the
Speaker 2: ones that speak, most of the ones that speak are good.
Speaker 1: So how many do you think are attached to the home?
Speaker 2: I never thought of a number that are attached to
Speaker 2: the home since I've been seeing them.
Speaker 1: But there are ones that are attached to the home,
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 2: I feel like there are a couple that are attached
Speaker 2: to the home. My grandfather died I want to say,
Speaker 2: eight years ago, and he lived here. We all lived
Speaker 2: here together, so his spirit, I know, is here, and
Speaker 2: that would make sense. Now. There was some buraya done
Speaker 2: if Spanish people call it that, that was done here
Speaker 2: years before I moved here, because the place that I'm
Speaker 2: in is actually where my husband grew up, so his
Speaker 2: family was here and they, some of them used to
Speaker 2: have parties where they do, you know, stuff that wehch
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't be doing. And in my opinion, what I
Speaker 2: think happened is a door was opened and it was
Speaker 2: not closed correctly, and my hallway, which is where most people,
Speaker 2: even guests that come here, happened to see or hear things.
Speaker 2: I think that that's where the portal or door, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, is open. Because at certain times,
Speaker 2: certain nights I can walk through the hallway and I
Speaker 2: can see the whole hallway almost light up. So I'm
Speaker 2: seeing that and it's it's it's so illuminating to me
Speaker 2: that I even thought about trying to put my hand
Speaker 2: through it a couple of times. But I'm smarter than that,
Speaker 2: so I was like, no, I don't think that would
Speaker 2: be a good idea because you know, I could get
Speaker 2: stuck over wherever that is.
Speaker 4: So yeah, Like, and it was the same with Selena
Speaker 4: in the whole way where we saw the shadows initially. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and when have was speaking that was Rotteney the whole
Speaker 4: way when he was on the couch, another instance where
Speaker 4: we picked up some.
Speaker 5: Shadow somehow work.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's the hallway. I believe the door was
Speaker 2: was not closed, And like I said, because this has
Speaker 2: always been normal to me, I never tried to put
Speaker 2: any real effort into having it closed. And I know
Speaker 2: that sounds crazy, but I think maybe I should have.
Speaker 1: Well do you want to?
Speaker 2: I definitely do that that I want I want closed
Speaker 2: because I feel like what it does is play games,
Speaker 2: like I won't see anything in that hallway maybe sometime
Speaker 2: for maybe two weeks, so I'll think that Okay, maybe
Speaker 2: the positive vibes and you know, maybe those types of
Speaker 2: things are working and then one night it just lights
Speaker 2: back up and you know, and I feel like when
Speaker 2: that whull weight is like that, that's when I can
Speaker 2: come into my kitchen and see two different people, maybe
Speaker 2: even three different people sometimes standing there.
Speaker 1: So interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely sure. I just think I need navigation because
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing as far as really
Speaker 2: closing anything.
Speaker 1: Maybe you need somebody that practices through had yeah, and
Speaker 1: they'll get in there and close it the you know
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I'm not sure that that's so weird,
Speaker 1: Like that's just it's weird to think. Like just like
Speaker 1: if you think physically speaking, like a door open in
Speaker 1: your home out in the street where anyone can just
Speaker 1: walk into. Now, I don't want that with invisible people either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want them just coming in and out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My worry is the children. See, I know to
Speaker 2: stay away from certain things. I'll get a feeling when
Speaker 2: I know it's not right. But children might not be
Speaker 2: able to decipher right and might say, okay, well if
Speaker 2: they happen to see that, well, what's on the other
Speaker 2: side of that? And that's my fear. Is almost like
Speaker 2: a movie because that's what I'm living. You know, all
Speaker 2: those scary things that you see and you hope you avoid.
Speaker 2: That's basically what I go through on an almost daily basis.
Speaker 1: And have you caught these spirits trying to lure your
Speaker 1: children or tell your children that I have not?
Speaker 2: I have not. I've caught the conversations. I've even caught
Speaker 2: Javier talking to entities that I'm looking at myself, so
Speaker 2: like I can see what he's seeing. I've caught that,
Speaker 2: but I haven't caught them actually even acknowledging to this day.
Speaker 2: I've never told them about what I think about the
Speaker 2: whole way and what I see, you know, because I
Speaker 2: don't want to implant it in their mind somehow and
Speaker 2: then the entities can really take advantage on They don't
Speaker 2: even know about that. To my knowledge, I don't know if.
Speaker 4: It was established. But actually has five children, and only
Speaker 4: two or three of them actually see things. And I've
Speaker 4: had certain encounters. The other two I haven't really seen anything.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, there was one instance and then the other
Speaker 1: one no interesting, So three out of five.
Speaker 4: There was one weird photo with Antonio. Oh yeah, there
Speaker 4: was with a figure behind one of the kids.
Speaker 2: At one point last I want to say, last March
Speaker 2: for the spring pictures. He was in fourth grade, and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting him ready, trying to make sure
Speaker 2: everything looks good, and I'm like, well, let me get
Speaker 2: a picture of you before you go and mess up
Speaker 2: your hair and everything. Let me take a picture now, right,
Speaker 2: And we took the picture, but I didn't look at it.
Speaker 2: When my son looked at it, he said, Ma, who
Speaker 2: was that in the picture? There was a whole other
Speaker 2: person standing right behind him in the picture, and the
Speaker 2: person actually had glasses on.
Speaker 1: I want to see.
Speaker 2: So if you yeah, I have that, I can give
Speaker 2: that to you. There's a few things I have here.
Speaker 4: This happened after we wrap the documentary shooting in the film,
Speaker 4: so just to show that things are still continuing, I.
Speaker 2: Have I have also a footage of not that long ago,
Speaker 2: I want to say, a month ago of because ever
Speaker 2: since the film, you know, I set up cameras so
Speaker 2: I could see what's going on. You can see a
Speaker 2: full person sitting right at my dining room table at
Speaker 2: like two in the morning. Like it's completely okay. Now
Speaker 2: listen to this part. My son at two in the morning,
Speaker 2: he's coming out his room to use the bathroom, and
Speaker 2: the entity realizes that my son is coming out, and
Speaker 2: then you just see it vanished. Oh yeah, I got
Speaker 2: really tech with it. I started looking at different cameras
Speaker 2: and the angles and figured it out. So yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 2: imagine all the stuff I didn't you know.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Oh there's a lot we missed. We missed
Speaker 5: a lot unfortunately, but we captured a lot to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's how it is, because I've done paranormal
Speaker 1: filming stuff and yeah, these coasts are not like, they're
Speaker 1: not actors. They're not They don't know when their camera
Speaker 1: angles and everything, and so if you take a break
Speaker 1: to eat some food, that might be when they come out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I hate.
Speaker 5: It's like not on cue, never on queue.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like when I stay in haunted hotels and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, not when I'm going to the bathroom
Speaker 1: or I'm like in the shower or something like, because
Speaker 1: then I have to use like and then if I
Speaker 1: get really good footage, I gotta shell people. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. But wait, I'm so curious about Shannon. Just
Speaker 1: all of your like involvement in this, So you did
Speaker 1: you have a crew, like was it just you or
Speaker 1: other people?
Speaker 4: It was very intimate production. It was more more or
Speaker 4: less the COVID type approach where it was just one
Speaker 4: person crubing myself. I ran down, I did camera. It
Speaker 4: was just in me hanging out here with the family
Speaker 4: in the family home like we're doing right now, talking
Speaker 4: to the kids. He had to know the family over
Speaker 4: the course of a few months, and we got what
Speaker 4: we got. We did leave the house, We did shoot
Speaker 4: outside the house, as you know, we shot in other
Speaker 4: hotels and outside courtyards.
Speaker 2: I think we got more when Chris came, when the
Speaker 2: demonologists came. Now he has his cameras as well.
Speaker 5: So that was yeah, multiple angers.
Speaker 2: One of the days where there was you know, not
Speaker 2: just him, and that was the day where I've had
Speaker 2: There were so many entities in the house at one
Speaker 2: time that it became so overwhelming. I was just crying
Speaker 2: because I was looking at one and one I could
Speaker 2: feel her sorrow, one kept saying I can't find my body,
Speaker 2: and all of that at one time was just like
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 5: Actually actually had seen it.
Speaker 4: Chris Christuffer, the demologious camera was recording everything on the
Speaker 4: SLS camera. The stick figures that's how it appears in
Speaker 4: one particular corner of the living room.
Speaker 5: And then my camera was picking up the shadow on.
Speaker 4: The wall as well, So it was kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 4: three perspectives, one towards the end of the.
Speaker 1: Liclementary, Yeah, that's the best.
Speaker 4: And Harmony his wife, Harmony had another camera as well
Speaker 4: that was trained on actually, so that was that was
Speaker 4: one instance that we had multiple cameras. But other than that,
Speaker 4: we had surveillance foot well, we had security footage that
Speaker 4: you had recording in the house, like when the fire
Speaker 4: brigade came actually was recording that host self.
Speaker 5: She had the laptop on running and then we could
Speaker 5: see that.
Speaker 4: The Firies come through and investigate what was going on
Speaker 4: with the so called ghas lik even though it wasn't
Speaker 4: a ghas liak whatever that was.
Speaker 5: That was kind of unexplained.
Speaker 1: But did you come fieries firefighters?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: I never heard that before.
Speaker 1: I love it. Are you're Australian? Yes, Australian people say
Speaker 1: like the cutest that, Like, I know they cast sunglasses.
Speaker 1: Sammis like, ugh, we abbreatheate a lot. I love it. Fieries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the fire, the firefighters showed up because you thought
Speaker 1: you had a gas lik possible, but they did not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we didn't know what we had. Actually the
Speaker 2: alarm had went off, and later when I thought about it,
Speaker 2: I knew that this was a spirit who was doing
Speaker 2: this because I I want to say it was. It
Speaker 2: was twenty ten. I suffered carbon monoxide poisoning me and
Speaker 2: my husband and my two children. Wow, and we had
Speaker 2: levels so high that we were all over the news.
Speaker 2: There was, you know, a lawsuit in this and that
Speaker 2: this is en upstate New York's. Yes, so for that
Speaker 2: same type of thing to kind of mimic something like that,
Speaker 2: I knew that it had to be. Yeah. So like
Speaker 2: my life has been crazy for a long time.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't that the fiber Gay determined that it
Speaker 4: was not It was a league, but it would make
Speaker 4: He then said it like we could sell.
Speaker 5: They didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: Well, because like you know, apparently that can make people hallucinate,
Speaker 1: and it is something that a lot of skeptical paranormal
Speaker 1: investigators look for us like if there's a ghast leak,
Speaker 1: because maybe that's causing you to see these things or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's almost like maybe maybe these spirits were trying
Speaker 1: to make it seem like they make the thing go
Speaker 1: off so that it's like, see, she's just hallucinating. She's
Speaker 1: not real, Like, you know, don't believe her. Those ghosts
Speaker 1: are shady.
Speaker 4: Well, the sex was real, but because all these other
Speaker 4: professionals would come through and confirm.
Speaker 2: They yeah, they just didn't. They knew it wasn't gas,
Speaker 2: but it was something. But the smell was so strong
Speaker 2: that they were so intent themselves on trying to find
Speaker 2: what it was. Because after the fire department left, they
Speaker 2: actually called National Grids and said, listen, you gotta go
Speaker 2: over to that apartment because there's something definitely off in
Speaker 2: there and it's not gas. They pulled out my entire
Speaker 2: stoves to make sure because in the past I did
Speaker 2: have you know, issues like that, and know there was
Speaker 2: no gas, no, no nothing. We actually took the batteries
Speaker 2: and the wires and it was still going on.
Speaker 5: This was a smoke on or the CEO to no.
Speaker 2: Well, today they have what's called their two and lunch
Speaker 2: smoke alarm and it's a seal two.
Speaker 1: Oh that's scary, Shannon. What's like the one thing that
Speaker 1: you experienced, whether it was on camera or not, that
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, this was legitab.
Speaker 4: From the beginning, they didn't like me. The lights would
Speaker 4: flicker on and off as soon as I entered the house.
Speaker 4: Actually would unplug the lights and put it back on
Speaker 4: and they would work again.
Speaker 5: Globes wouldn't blow.
Speaker 4: But there was just lots of coincidental little things like
Speaker 4: that that you wouldn't even think of in the moment
Speaker 4: that you had to look back after and realize, and
Speaker 4: just capturing shadows and all these weird all be things
Speaker 4: on camera that you would see on the view find
Speaker 4: or not. You would miss it and you would see
Speaker 4: it after the fact, and the edit really just made
Speaker 4: me think some type of activity has gone on.
Speaker 5: I've never captured anything before.
Speaker 4: I've shot who knows how many countless hours of footage
Speaker 4: in the past.
Speaker 5: I've never seen this stuff before.
Speaker 4: Were just so happens to coincide with his family that's
Speaker 4: claiming they're seeing these things and the children are scared
Speaker 4: for their well.
Speaker 5: Being in safety.
Speaker 4: So when the when the the microphone stand fell like
Speaker 4: it was almost attacking. Actually in that instance when we
Speaker 4: had the windows were closed in the apartment. There was
Speaker 4: no drafts coming in. It was a heavy duty stand.
Speaker 4: It was all secured. Actually, was talking about that, that
Speaker 4: weird odor and the kids running past at the time,
Speaker 4: and it was right on a que when you were
Speaker 4: discussing the children that it seemed to just fall out
Speaker 4: of nowhere, and that again, things like that had never
Speaker 4: happened before. Maybe outside if you don't secure stands properly,
Speaker 4: and there's a massive wind gust that come through, but
Speaker 4: not in a house where there's no there's no.
Speaker 5: Breeze or anything.
Speaker 4: It's all secured, like as though it was intent on
Speaker 4: shutting actually up.
Speaker 5: That was kind of odd. Lots of lots of weird
Speaker 5: little things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when he came into the first time, you were.
Speaker 1: Like, I thought this was a sleep thing. What is this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well not anymore. That's okay, We've got something more interesting.
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself doing more this kind of content?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean actually, and we say that hopefully not
Speaker 4: Hopefully they won't be a stay cool because it was
Speaker 4: actually kind of a rough time for you in the faunily.
Speaker 4: It wasn't fun and games that they were going through
Speaker 4: a lot, and they were kind of terrified. Especially half
Speaker 4: the family was two or three of the kids who
Speaker 4: aren't actually still with it.
Speaker 5: For a long time.
Speaker 4: So hopefully, Yeah, there isn't anything new to report on.
Speaker 4: I mean, actually he's probably always going to experience it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's slightly a little bit better, I think, but
Speaker 4: the kids. But the kids are still reporting with phenomena.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't planned, but I'm glad I did do
Speaker 2: it because I mean, it's not all bad. It was
Speaker 2: a lot of good feedback. Also, like people who see
Speaker 2: stuff like that but never just wanted to talk about it, like,
Speaker 2: you know, they'll tell me their stories and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But I'm convinced at thirty nine, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to stop. I'm going to see them. I see
Speaker 2: them all the time, and there's pretty much nothing I
Speaker 2: can do about it. If I get a bad feeling,
Speaker 2: I just ignore it for the most part. But it
Speaker 2: gets to be very it's very distracting. It's even distracting
Speaker 2: now because they don't like some of them don't like
Speaker 2: when I speak about what I'm speaking about. So you'll
Speaker 2: have ones that are right next to me, you know,
Speaker 2: And I got to sit here and do the interview
Speaker 2: knowing that there's a guy named Brian right here. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, But it's it's what it.
Speaker 1: Is, Brian from the Backstreet Boys. No, you know, well,
Speaker 1: if the ghosts want to speak, do they want to
Speaker 1: say anything?
Speaker 2: You never know. You end up playing it back later
Speaker 2: and then that's when you see something or most of
Speaker 2: the time that that's what happens. A lot of people,
Speaker 2: you know, told us about their experiences just from participating
Speaker 2: in like the Q and A. They would, you know,
Speaker 2: have things happen. A lot of them got headaches afterwards
Speaker 2: for the next day, and a lot of them actually
Speaker 2: on the live there were a few people who things
Speaker 2: knock over in their house just and I know it
Speaker 2: was because they were, you know, engaging with me, because
Speaker 2: I get that a lot from people that engage with me.
Speaker 4: But this is during the screening when we had the
Speaker 4: screening of VA documentary and then the QO and I
Speaker 4: off the on Zoom that was hosted by various people
Speaker 4: in the paranormal world and their fans would come in
Speaker 4: on Zoom and we would.
Speaker 1: Talk cause I imagine having this, I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you call it an ability? Do you view it as
Speaker 1: like a good thing.
Speaker 2: You know what. I always refer to it as an
Speaker 2: ability like any other ability. Yeah, I'm kind of on
Speaker 2: the fence with the gift word because it's like when
Speaker 2: you help somebody because the spirit told you to tell
Speaker 2: them something, then that's the good part. But the bad
Speaker 2: part is the going days sometime without sleep because you
Speaker 2: can't sleep because a lot of the time, what happens
Speaker 2: if I'm sleep, I'll hear different entities talking amongst themselves,
Speaker 2: not to me, but I can hear their conversations, so
Speaker 2: that and that it will intrigue me to get up
Speaker 2: and try to see what's going on or see, you know,
Speaker 2: see what they're talking about. So that can be the
Speaker 2: curse part. People don't want to come to your house
Speaker 2: again sometime after They not just your house, but sometimes
Speaker 2: they won't want to come around you because they'll feel
Speaker 2: like I gave them bad luck. I wouldn't say lost,
Speaker 2: but I would say become kind of a strange because
Speaker 2: they don't want to they feel like I'm putting something
Speaker 2: on them, which obviously that's not what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: But they feel like things have followed them from being
Speaker 2: around me, and things like that. So we don't talk
Speaker 2: as much, and that's unfortunate, but you know, what can
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that could be
Speaker 1: perceived as like a gift from this is that you
Speaker 1: can help people to experience it and see this stuff
Speaker 1: for real, you know, because as you know, from a
Speaker 1: young age, people are very skeptical and they get very
Speaker 1: angry with their bapticism about it, calling names and whatever.
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, through some ghosts that these
Speaker 1: people invite them over.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that there was a lot of things that
Speaker 2: were picked up though that you could see in the film,
Speaker 2: because it kind of turns it into well, she's not
Speaker 2: just talking, you know, because yes, I could come on
Speaker 2: here all day and just talk about what I see, right,
Speaker 2: but watching the film and seeing that there's even when
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, when the demonologies was there,
Speaker 2: there were things happening that everyone else can now see
Speaker 2: that it's not just me. So it was it was
Speaker 2: kind of helpful a little bit because now to certain
Speaker 2: people who might have thought I was nuts, they don't
Speaker 2: think that anymore. I've had people that do know me say, okay,
Speaker 2: I thought she was a little crazy for some years,
Speaker 2: but I don't think so anymore.
Speaker 1: But that's major. And it's so beautiful that your children
Speaker 1: that have this ability as well are growing up with
Speaker 1: some validation you know, from you and and now everyone
Speaker 1: else that can see this that like, no, you're not
Speaker 1: You're not just seeing these things in your head. This
Speaker 1: is other people are seeing that. Yeah, well, we can
Speaker 1: wrap this up. I so appreciate you guys taking the
Speaker 1: time to talk to me. Where do people see the film?
Speaker 4: The handle is It's coming film. It's coming film is
Speaker 4: the handle. It's currently on the usual places, Prime, Apple TV.
Speaker 2: You choose.
Speaker 5: It's on DVD too, you can patch on DVD, every.
Speaker 2: Smart TV basically, you know how they have all the
Speaker 2: app it's all of them. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, And the thing that I feel like people should
Speaker 1: should know when they decide to watch it is I
Speaker 1: feel with paranormal TV documentary style that there's a like
Speaker 1: preconceived notion. It's it's a well established now genre that
Speaker 1: you come to exp back to certain effects and sounds
Speaker 1: and uh production or whatever, and and then people go, oh,
Speaker 1: I've seen this kind of thing, it's fake or whatever.
Speaker 1: But the thing that's interesting about uh, this approach that
Speaker 1: you guys have done. Is that it's real, stripped down
Speaker 1: and it's essentially just showing a family that is dealing
Speaker 1: with this situation. It's it's not even super heavy on
Speaker 1: the ghost hunting necessarily. I think it's I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: like put it in the ghost hunting category.
Speaker 5: It's a portion of family.
Speaker 2: Like you said, I think he captured things that were
Speaker 2: just happening. It's live.
Speaker 5: No reenacting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the most scary reenactments of devils and Damon's coming
Speaker 4: to people or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Now, this is is so real and capture in the
Speaker 5: moment in camera.
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much to Shannon and Ashley.
Speaker 1: It's coming it came? Who was that a tale? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, check it out. I thought it was certainly
Speaker 1: interesting and loved talking to them. Thank you all so
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Speaker 1: mixed and sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My
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