1
00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:13,399
Speaker 1: What's that happens spooky? Hey, juky, I'm really sure it's dead.

2
00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:14,920
Speaker 1: It's coming this way.

3
00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,439
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I said.

4
00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,840
Speaker 1: Nandas.

5
00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:32,920
Speaker 3: Please Hey boo, it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted

6
00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,320
Speaker 3: by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people

7
00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,519
Speaker 3: that I like about the paranormal.

8
00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,640
Speaker 1: I said just here at the beginning of the year

9
00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,559
Speaker 1: that this year I'm going to start occasionally bringing on

10
00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:56,320
Speaker 1: people that aren't necessarily my wacky show business friends to

11
00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:03,240
Speaker 1: laugh about the silliness of the other side. And today's

12
00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,640
Speaker 1: one of those examples. I have on two people that

13
00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,679
Speaker 1: I have never met before, but they have a new

14
00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:19,080
Speaker 1: documentary film. It is called It's Coming, and it is well,

15
00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:25,400
Speaker 1: it's coming, honey. It's different than most ghost hunting type

16
00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,760
Speaker 1: things that we've all seen in the in the sense

17
00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,360
Speaker 1: that it's done by a filmmaker who doesn't work in

18
00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:39,039
Speaker 1: that world, and he's essentially just documenting for months what

19
00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,800
Speaker 1: it's like to be one of these families that lives

20
00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,360
Speaker 1: in a place where stuff happens all the time, and

21
00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,240
Speaker 1: the stresses that come with that and the daily activity

22
00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,640
Speaker 1: of it. And so when I talk to him, he said,

23
00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's a portrait. I think it's a great word.

24
00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,440
Speaker 1: Is a portrait of a family that is in a

25
00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,280
Speaker 1: situation where there are spirits in the house, and so

26
00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,640
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a really interesting approach.

27
00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,320
Speaker 1: And I got to talk to the filmmaker and the

28
00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:23,800
Speaker 1: mother of the family, and the activity is really based

29
00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,359
Speaker 1: around her. So that's what you have to look forward

30
00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,200
Speaker 1: to today. Before we get to that, let me read

31
00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,919
Speaker 1: you a ghost story. This one comes from a listener

32
00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:42,520
Speaker 1: named Jeanette. Jeanette writes, for several years, I commuted to

33
00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,560
Speaker 1: and from work on a bike, and that commute took

34
00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:53,760
Speaker 1: me across the Golden Gate Bridge twice a day. They

35
00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:59,120
Speaker 1: say that Golden Gate Bridge is haunted. The bridge is

36
00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,000
Speaker 1: open to cars and cyclists twenty four to seven, but

37
00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:11,280
Speaker 1: pedestrians are only allowed during daylight hours. During dusk, though,

38
00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,360
Speaker 1: there's a bit of overlap where there are some pedestrians

39
00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,160
Speaker 1: still lagging on the bridge, but the gates only open

40
00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,840
Speaker 1: to let them off or let people with bicycles on.

41
00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,600
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time on that bridge by

42
00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,440
Speaker 1: myself at night, as during the winter months it was

43
00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,480
Speaker 1: always dark when I finished work. The Golden Gate Bridge

44
00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,840
Speaker 1: is well known for its beautiful views and architecture, and

45
00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,440
Speaker 1: is a popular attraction for tourists in San Francisco, but sadly,

46
00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,720
Speaker 1: it also has a reputation for being a quite popular

47
00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,200
Speaker 1: final destination for those who have found life to be

48
00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,080
Speaker 1: too much. Oh my god, listen, there's a documentary about that.

49
00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,320
Speaker 1: I do not recommend anybody watch it. I watched it

50
00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:09,440
Speaker 1: probably a decade ago, and its very heavy. Okay, back

51
00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,280
Speaker 1: to Jeanette. Jeanette says, I have definitely felt a mix

52
00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,520
Speaker 1: of emotional energy on that bridge day and night. But

53
00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,400
Speaker 1: on one particular night, the fog was hanging over the

54
00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,839
Speaker 1: water in such a way that you could see the

55
00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,080
Speaker 1: reflection of the city on the water, but you couldn't

56
00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,640
Speaker 1: see the actual city, and it was so thick you

57
00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,039
Speaker 1: couldn't see the bridge more than about twenty five meters

58
00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,800
Speaker 1: overhead either. As I rounded the bridge suspension tower on

59
00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,480
Speaker 1: the city side of the bridge, I saw a guy

60
00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,520
Speaker 1: standing looking out into the fog. This was really odd

61
00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,080
Speaker 1: because it had been dark for some time and he

62
00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a bike. I suppose he could have been

63
00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:59,080
Speaker 1: a straggler, but usually the bridge patrol would have cleared

64
00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,520
Speaker 1: the bridge of pedestrians by that hour, but who knows

65
00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,520
Speaker 1: at any rate. I stopped next to him and I said,

66
00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,960
Speaker 1: isn't it cool how you can see the reflection of

67
00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,560
Speaker 1: the city on the water. He said he hadn't really noticed,

68
00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,520
Speaker 1: but now that I pointed it out, he said, it

69
00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,240
Speaker 1: is cool. I responded by pointing out, that's just a

70
00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,680
Speaker 1: reminder that there is a lot out there on the

71
00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,560
Speaker 1: other side of the fog. Something I couldn't even imagine

72
00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,680
Speaker 1: was coming out of my mouth. But here we were,

73
00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,840
Speaker 1: he said, I suppose you are right. I told him

74
00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,839
Speaker 1: I had to get home and to have a good night,

75
00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,200
Speaker 1: and then I pushed off on my bike. Something made

76
00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,960
Speaker 1: me look back over my shoulder, and dude was gone.

77
00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,000
Speaker 1: There was no way that he could have disappeared that

78
00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,560
Speaker 1: fast without sprinting lightning fast, nor could he have hopped

79
00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,039
Speaker 1: the railing. But I did look over just in case,

80
00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,480
Speaker 1: and there was no sign of him. As I was

81
00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,440
Speaker 1: riding home that night, I had the strange feeling of

82
00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,960
Speaker 1: sadness and peace that I can't really explain. I wondered

83
00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,479
Speaker 1: if that had happened at all. I still don't know

84
00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,280
Speaker 1: if I imagined it, but I get goosebumps whenever I

85
00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:21,800
Speaker 1: think about it. Oh myshhh. Well, thank you Jeannette so

86
00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,919
Speaker 1: much for sending that a love a San Francisco story.

87
00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,440
Speaker 1: And one thing I didn't even mention, as annoying as

88
00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,440
Speaker 1: I am about it, this conversation that we're about to

89
00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:40,080
Speaker 1: have is a New York City Brooklyn story. Hello, let's

90
00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:45,720
Speaker 1: get into it. Here is my conversation with filmmaker Shannon

91
00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:52,080
Speaker 1: Alexander and Ashley Rowland White, the subject of the new

92
00:06:52,160 --> 00:07:08,400
Speaker 1: film It's Coming and with the show. Oh my goodness.

93
00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:15,360
Speaker 1: We are joined right now by Ashley and Shannon. Hello. Hello,

94
00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,040
Speaker 1: how are you.

95
00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,600
Speaker 2: We're good? Happy to be here cold, We're good?

96
00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is you're You're in the house right, the house, yes, okay, Aculey's.

97
00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,559
Speaker 4: House, Yes, where it takes place, where the documentary was shot.

98
00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,440
Speaker 1: And this is in New York City, right.

99
00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,200
Speaker 2: This is Brooklyn, New York. Yes, Oh my god.

100
00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,040
Speaker 1: That's always I'm always staying in Brooklyn. Like I go

101
00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,880
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn a couple of times a year. So, like,

102
00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,760
Speaker 1: one of these things that we always talk about in

103
00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,440
Speaker 1: this podcast is how we never get good New York

104
00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,000
Speaker 1: ghost stories. So that's one of the biggest reasons why

105
00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about talking to you, because you haven't

106
00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,480
Speaker 1: actively haunted home. I mean, is it still is it

107
00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:05,200
Speaker 1: still haunted?

108
00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,800
Speaker 2: It's pretty much the same. I'm just learning how to

109
00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,760
Speaker 2: navigate a little better, you know, ignoring certain things, taking

110
00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,440
Speaker 2: a break from here when I need to. It's hard

111
00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,200
Speaker 2: to just get up and leave because I run business

112
00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,200
Speaker 2: from here, so it's I'm dealing with it. But there's

113
00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,440
Speaker 2: certain times where it is it's okay for a little while.

114
00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,320
Speaker 5: But it's not just the house. It's definitely not.

115
00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's me myself, so it is it doesn't really

116
00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:27,360
Speaker 2: matter where I go.

117
00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:33,240
Speaker 1: Basically, right, because this is something that started young for you, right,

118
00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,600
Speaker 1: and it's all connected. It's the same, you know, it's

119
00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,600
Speaker 1: started as a child, and now you still have that

120
00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,199
Speaker 1: present more presences like what's what's the stories?

121
00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,560
Speaker 2: So basically, spirits surround me period. Some of them are

122
00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,640
Speaker 2: ones that I've seen since I'm younger. Some of them

123
00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,640
Speaker 2: I've never seen. I see them so much that most

124
00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,400
Speaker 2: of the time when I do see them, I try to,

125
00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, just ignore it. But it does get a

126
00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,200
Speaker 2: little hard because some spirits I feel like when I

127
00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,760
Speaker 2: ignore them, they make their presence known by throwing things

128
00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,200
Speaker 2: or you know, causing embarrassment. When I have company over.

129
00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,120
Speaker 2: So it's that type of thing. But I've been seeing

130
00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,439
Speaker 2: spirits since eleven and it's been normal since eleven.

131
00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:24,960
Speaker 1: Do you identify as like a psychic, you know, medium.

132
00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,439
Speaker 2: I honestly never did because I don't think I ever

133
00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,560
Speaker 2: thought that deep into it. I think when you're as

134
00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,520
Speaker 2: young as I was, you just start to think that

135
00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,440
Speaker 2: this is this is normal for me. I didn't start

136
00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,040
Speaker 2: to think of myself as any type of medium until

137
00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,200
Speaker 2: I started to, you know, help people that were going

138
00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,320
Speaker 2: through or lost someone in their lives. And you know,

139
00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,760
Speaker 2: as far as like communication, you know, given messages. That's

140
00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,880
Speaker 2: when it kind of rang in my head. But I still,

141
00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,640
Speaker 2: you know, didn't take it too seriously. But spirit gives

142
00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,640
Speaker 2: me a message for someone, I'll give it, but I

143
00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,360
Speaker 2: haven't made it, like, you know, my business to go

144
00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,360
Speaker 2: out and try to.

145
00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,200
Speaker 1: Do that right. Because it started with you were saying

146
00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,240
Speaker 1: in the documentary a person appeared to you that looked

147
00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,760
Speaker 1: like Kevin from the Backstreet Boys.

148
00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,640
Speaker 2: I did you know what? I had to be honest, Okay,

149
00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,559
Speaker 2: when we were filming, I was asked to describe what

150
00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,960
Speaker 2: the entity looked like. So Kevin used to wear these

151
00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,439
Speaker 2: long black Jackets when he had the longer hair. Yes,

152
00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,400
Speaker 2: and it was the only thing that stuck out because

153
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,280
Speaker 2: ever since I've seen this entity, I've always said that

154
00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,640
Speaker 2: to myself, like, from the back, it looks like Kevin

155
00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,640
Speaker 2: So yes.

156
00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so you saw him. You didn't see his face.

157
00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,640
Speaker 2: Though, No, his face is always just you know, dark

158
00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,000
Speaker 2: and kind of faded a little bit. But from the back,

159
00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,720
Speaker 2: I can see full body, and that's exactly what you

160
00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,040
Speaker 2: know it would look like from the back. Now, some

161
00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,920
Speaker 2: of them I see just like I see you and me.

162
00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,720
Speaker 2: But that entity and some other entities I see as dark.

163
00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,400
Speaker 1: Figures, and that one is still around. Yes, wow, Wow.

164
00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,960
Speaker 4: That might be Astley's spirit God who's being with her

165
00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,960
Speaker 4: her whole life since she was eleven up to this point.

166
00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,280
Speaker 4: Here intimately comes in and out of your life.

167
00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,480
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I'm not really sure if he's a

168
00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,720
Speaker 2: spirit guide, to be honest, I just know he's the

169
00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,079
Speaker 2: first one I've seen in one I see quite often.

170
00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,080
Speaker 2: And it's confusing because sometimes I do see that entity

171
00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,920
Speaker 2: right before something bad is gonna happen. You know, Sometime

172
00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,920
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a warning because most of the

173
00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,160
Speaker 2: time when I see this entity, he just stands there.

174
00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,960
Speaker 2: So and when he stands there, it's like telepathically, like

175
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,160
Speaker 2: he's trying to tell me something. And there's been a

176
00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,960
Speaker 2: few times in my life where it was, you know,

177
00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,840
Speaker 2: I was needed to avoid something and I ended up

178
00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,160
Speaker 2: doing that because I had seen that entity. So but

179
00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,240
Speaker 2: it's still scary. So that's why I think I'm confused

180
00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,720
Speaker 2: as far as like, do I spirit guide not a

181
00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:53,920
Speaker 2: spirit guide type of thing.

182
00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,440
Speaker 4: He has helped you in a lot of instances with

183
00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,600
Speaker 4: your health a couple.

184
00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,240
Speaker 1: Well that's good. I mean, so it sounds like he's

185
00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,959
Speaker 1: not one of the ones to look out for like

186
00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,280
Speaker 1: you have you have worse.

187
00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,720
Speaker 2: No. Originally, when I was younger, I thought so, But

188
00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,920
Speaker 2: as I got older, No, I don't think so. I've

189
00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:12,720
Speaker 2: seen much worse.

190
00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,520
Speaker 1: So how many are we talking? Like, how how many

191
00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:22,079
Speaker 1: are there that are reoccurring spirits reoccurring?

192
00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,400
Speaker 2: If you want me to give your account reoccurring, I

193
00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,360
Speaker 2: would say there's four.

194
00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,040
Speaker 1: Okay, for that I.

195
00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,640
Speaker 2: Would see, And I don't mean like an everyday basis,

196
00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,520
Speaker 2: but when things are very stressful in my life, I'm

197
00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,240
Speaker 2: just going through a lot of chaos, they always appear.

198
00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,880
Speaker 2: So I would say at least four and for the

199
00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,200
Speaker 2: most part, I see spirits who I've never met before.

200
00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,040
Speaker 2: I call them pastors, people who have passed away, people

201
00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,160
Speaker 2: that have been in accidents, and things of that nature.

202
00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,160
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't particularly know them, never seen

203
00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,679
Speaker 2: them before. In the living world. I see sometime. I

204
00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,439
Speaker 2: would feel like more people in the afterlife world than

205
00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,760
Speaker 2: I do here.

206
00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,839
Speaker 1: So and you're talking like walking down the street or

207
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,800
Speaker 1: they like come visit you in your home.

208
00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,760
Speaker 2: Well, most of the time I see okay outside. I

209
00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,920
Speaker 2: have seen some outside that I'm mistaken for regular people,

210
00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,080
Speaker 2: until later on, maybe days later, I would see the

211
00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,480
Speaker 2: same entity in my house or in a hotel. I

212
00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,839
Speaker 2: travel a lot, so I get that too. I really

213
00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,760
Speaker 2: don't know how to explain why. I've been asking myself

214
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,720
Speaker 2: forever why if it's if I could cut it off

215
00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,559
Speaker 2: sometime I would. But I can literally just be sitting

216
00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,280
Speaker 2: home watching TV and see two people just walk right

217
00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,040
Speaker 2: past like they're not in my house, you know. And

218
00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,480
Speaker 2: it became normal to the point where I just ignored

219
00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,559
Speaker 2: it until my kids started to see it. That's when

220
00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,400
Speaker 2: it kind of got uncomfortable.

221
00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,960
Speaker 1: Did you have, like any other relatives besides yourself that

222
00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,040
Speaker 1: had this stability or whatever you want to call it.

223
00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say the exact ability as in seeing full

224
00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,439
Speaker 2: body apparitions like I do. But my mother does get

225
00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,640
Speaker 2: a lot of premonitions, and she'll get premonitions about, you know,

226
00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,880
Speaker 2: someone passing away or something about to happen. And I

227
00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,600
Speaker 2: can tell you that she's never been wrong. So I

228
00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,800
Speaker 2: would say, you know, in a way, she's spiritually connected

229
00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,800
Speaker 2: in that way, but just not I don't think she

230
00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,680
Speaker 2: she doesn't have the abilities I have to actually see

231
00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,080
Speaker 2: and speak to them and you know, do that.

232
00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,200
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because, like I mean, but that's what's

233
00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,400
Speaker 1: so difficult is to wrap your head around because like

234
00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:50,160
Speaker 1: you also are getting physical manifestation, like things are moving,

235
00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,240
Speaker 1: things are happening that aren't just you guys are sort

236
00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,960
Speaker 1: of seeing things that you know are in your mind's

237
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,280
Speaker 1: eye or however you want to look at it. You're

238
00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,680
Speaker 1: actually like they're actually something going on.

239
00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,880
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, when your child comes to you and says

240
00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,080
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I'll say, like this, when your

241
00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,360
Speaker 2: child describes the exact same entity that you've been seeing

242
00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,400
Speaker 2: or that you've just seen five minutes ago, down to

243
00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,000
Speaker 2: the tee or spirits call my name a lot, so

244
00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,120
Speaker 2: my son started coming to me saying, who is that

245
00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,440
Speaker 2: calling you? So that's when I figured out that, Okay,

246
00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,040
Speaker 2: not only is he seeing the exact same people I'm seeing,

247
00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,280
Speaker 2: he's hearing what I'm hearing. He'll even come and get

248
00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,400
Speaker 2: me sometimes to say, Ma, there's someone standing in the

249
00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,880
Speaker 2: living room. You know, I know that they're deceased, but

250
00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,680
Speaker 2: can you tell me what you see to see? If

251
00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,040
Speaker 2: we see the same thing? And we do.

252
00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,680
Speaker 1: I wonder if you have other relatives that just never

253
00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,440
Speaker 1: told you thought about that.

254
00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,600
Speaker 2: That's so weird you said that because I literally thought

255
00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,720
Speaker 2: about that, because if you think about it, this is

256
00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,560
Speaker 2: not something that I think people feel comfortable talking about

257
00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,960
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe they just they

258
00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,040
Speaker 2: just don't me personally. Growing up, people that were in

259
00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,080
Speaker 2: my family, they definitely knew that I could see what

260
00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,280
Speaker 2: I could see, but I wouldn't take it like outside

261
00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,440
Speaker 2: the family because I didn't want to see, you know,

262
00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,800
Speaker 2: nuts or anything like that. So I thought about it.

263
00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,960
Speaker 2: Maybe they just never talked about it.

264
00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:18,680
Speaker 1: So what changed?

265
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:18,840
Speaker 2: Like?

266
00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,760
Speaker 1: What made you be like, Okay, I'm going to tell

267
00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:22,360
Speaker 1: people about this.

268
00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,840
Speaker 2: Okay. So when this originally started, it was supposed to

269
00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,840
Speaker 2: be about sleep, aaralysis because I do suffer from that,

270
00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,640
Speaker 2: and I feel like I suffer from sleep paralysis because

271
00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,360
Speaker 2: the spirits they interact with me, they won't let me sleep,

272
00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,400
Speaker 2: They keep me up some nights. So when I was

273
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,800
Speaker 2: trying to explain just that part of it, things started

274
00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,760
Speaker 2: happening while we were filming. They were throwing things, knocking

275
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,640
Speaker 2: things over. So I think I got to the point

276
00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,760
Speaker 2: where I just told Shannon, like, listen, this is gonna

277
00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,720
Speaker 2: sound weird, but spirits follow me. My house is haunted,

278
00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,760
Speaker 2: and reality I'm haunted. So that's how we worked, you know,

279
00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,720
Speaker 2: That's how it ended up turning into that direction.

280
00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,679
Speaker 4: And then two of the children backed up everything actually

281
00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,679
Speaker 4: was saying when I first met Ashley in the family,

282
00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,879
Speaker 4: and I spoke to Javier, who was seven at the time.

283
00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,520
Speaker 5: And then her eldest daughter, Selena, who.

284
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,120
Speaker 4: Was like thirteen, She was thirteen, and then they they

285
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,720
Speaker 4: second everything that actually was saying and had spoken about

286
00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,760
Speaker 4: seeing things themselves, and I realized that's where the story is.

287
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,800
Speaker 4: It's not really about well I initially planned, this is

288
00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,359
Speaker 4: about a family inundated with these entities in the middle

289
00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,359
Speaker 4: of Brooklyn somewhere. So that's what we went with.

290
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,160
Speaker 2: You can imagine you're going to someone's house and all

291
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,840
Speaker 2: these things are happening. At a certain point that person

292
00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,360
Speaker 2: has to say something. So, you know, because I never

293
00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,199
Speaker 2: planned to get that in detailed, what they were making me.

294
00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,919
Speaker 2: The spirits were making me get into detail because they

295
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,920
Speaker 2: kept We had to stop recording a few times because

296
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,639
Speaker 2: you know, things were happening. So once I explained it

297
00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,880
Speaker 2: to them, I said, you know, it's nothing to worry about.

298
00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 2: They're not going to hurt you, but this is what's

299
00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:58,439
Speaker 2: going on.

300
00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,320
Speaker 5: You did say they didn't like me though, didn't not

301
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,280
Speaker 5: want the cameras there.

302
00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,840
Speaker 2: No, they didn't. I don't think they liked him, but

303
00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't think the entities that reside around me liked

304
00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,760
Speaker 2: that I was speaking about what I was speaking about.

305
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,320
Speaker 2: I think because I had never spoke about it before,

306
00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,479
Speaker 2: unless it was just family, that they probably said, well,

307
00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,919
Speaker 2: what is she doing? Is she just telling everything? And

308
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:20,920
Speaker 2: I guess I was.

309
00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,159
Speaker 1: Have you like talk to them since the documentary has

310
00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,680
Speaker 1: been out? Yeah, do they know that they are now,

311
00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, movie stars.

312
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,080
Speaker 2: I haven't had that exact conversation, but I have had

313
00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,040
Speaker 2: two of them tell me that, you know, everybody might

314
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,679
Speaker 2: not take well to it, people are gonna think you're nuts,

315
00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,359
Speaker 2: you know, that type of negativity to make me, you know,

316
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,080
Speaker 2: maybe stop in my tracks and don't proceed anymore. Mm.

317
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,919
Speaker 4: That has happened, right, people have been saying, I mean

318
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 4: most it was being positive.

319
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to you know, they were giving me warnings

320
00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,119
Speaker 2: about how people would proceed it. And then after that,

321
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,760
Speaker 2: I actually did get weird emails, you know, text messages

322
00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 2: from different people. I don't even know how they got

323
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 2: my number, but saying that the church wouldn't like what

324
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I shouldn't speak about spirits and any spirit

325
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,120
Speaker 2: that you come across as what do they call them,

326
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,359
Speaker 2: familiar spirits? So I was told that all spirits are

327
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,400
Speaker 2: bad and I shouldn't be you know, engaging that. Yeah.

328
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 2: Someone said I was being watched too. That was weird.

329
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,920
Speaker 1: See, all that kind of stuff is always gonna happen

330
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 1: if you do anything paranormal. I've been doing this podcast

331
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 1: podcast for six years and I have had, like I've

332
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,679
Speaker 1: I've had so much of that. And you encounter a

333
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,880
Speaker 1: lot of people that are one hundred percent convinced that

334
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 1: they know what all these things are and they're either

335
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,639
Speaker 1: going to save you or just start running their mouths

336
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 1: at you whatever it is. But they're like, how our

337
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 1: demons those are what? I don't know, Yeah, it just happens.

338
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 1: Or they'll just say you're making it up, you're crazy. Whatever,

339
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,679
Speaker 1: it happens, no matter what. But there's also a lot

340
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 1: of people that don't feel that way.

341
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're gotta have tough skin to talk

342
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 2: about it, because it's one of those things where you know,

343
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 2: like we're saying, people might think you're nuts. So you know,

344
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 2: every time I do an interview or anything, in the

345
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 2: back of my mind, I'm like, people are gonna think

346
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm crazy, But I can only tell you that this

347
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 2: is my life and this is what I've been going

348
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 2: through since eleven, so it's nothing new. I think people

349
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 2: find it more intriguing than I do myself, because it's

350
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,959
Speaker 2: happening to me, you know, on a normal basis. But

351
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 2: for those people who did see it and we're skeptics

352
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,439
Speaker 2: and said to me, wow, I don't think I'm a

353
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 2: skeptic anymore. I mean, you know, that's good in a way.

354
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 1: I mean, see that's that that would be my temptation,

355
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 1: would be like to round up all those haters and

356
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: be like, then come over, We're gonna do everybody, come

357
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 1: over here and I'll show you.

358
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 5: I love that idea.

359
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Shannon, did you believe in this kind of

360
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: stuff when you started? And where are you at with

361
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 1: all that?

362
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,199
Speaker 5: I didn't disbelieve it.

363
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 4: I was open, but I had a healthy amount of

364
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 4: skepticism going into it when I was speaking to it

365
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 4: Ashley initially, but then all the odd experiences definitely added

366
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 4: up to me forming my opinion of Ashley's testimony and

367
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 4: the kids and really believing them pretty early on. And

368
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 4: I just think it's really difficult for kids to lie

369
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 4: at such a sophisticated level as the way the kids

370
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 4: came across. So I just didn't think that they were

371
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 4: capable of it. With the questions I was asking and

372
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 4: hanging out with them for that period of time six seven,

373
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 4: eight months.

374
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 5: Or whatever, it was.

375
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: Wow.

376
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 5: So I completely hardly.

377
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 2: Believed and they weren't. Originally it was just me and

378
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: him originally, you know, it was my getting my perspective

379
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 2: on things. So when we would take breaks, you know

380
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: what you have to do, you know, the kids would

381
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: be around, So just in conversation, you know, my kids

382
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, that's normal here, I mean around us,

383
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: this is we always, you know, have those type of encounters.

384
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 2: And they had the same attitude like I did, you know,

385
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: likes it's normal.

386
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,719
Speaker 4: And it was the physical things we recorded early on,

387
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,439
Speaker 4: like the shadows running across, dancing from one side of

388
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 4: the front to the other that we had seen down

389
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 4: that hallway that actually and the kids mentioned where they

390
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: were seeing these figures and shadows, and we saw literally

391
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 4: shadows being captured while we were filming. But then after

392
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,479
Speaker 4: the fact, when I was editing, sifting through the footage

393
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 4: and I came across things, the fire brigade came because

394
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 4: I was that odd odor, the microphans, the microphone stands

395
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 4: falling over, almost as though they were attacking. Actually, all

396
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 4: these physical things would happen, lots of lights and electrical

397
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: objects cutting in and out when I would enter the house,

398
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 4: and things. It's just the combination of too many things

399
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: that really really swayed me in a particular direction. But now,

400
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 4: I'm not from a paranormal background. My background is in filmmaking.

401
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 4: I was just open to the idea of people with

402
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 4: sleep issues, and then it just evolved from that.

403
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, where did that come from? How did you own.

404
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: My own problems with I mean, I can sleep, but

405
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 4: I'm more of a knot person. A nod out quote unquote, Sorry,

406
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 4: I just had difficulties sleeping.

407
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 5: I was just interested in.

408
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 4: People had in so many or sleep prowls or clan

409
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 4: to have these experiences, so that I didn't know what

410
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: I wanted to do with it at the time. I

411
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 4: just wanted to investigate it. And then this this project

412
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 4: just unfolded really organically. Wow.

413
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think very organically because it went a whole

414
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: other direction than what we were originally doing.

415
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 4: Totally, but we went with it and it became what

416
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 4: it became.

417
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: And we've had We did Q and a's also, you know,

418
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: leading up to the release, and we did live interviews

419
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: where the interviewer would come to the house and almost

420
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: everyone that came things happened. We had one come and

421
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: there's a guy named James. He's an entity that's usually

422
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: around my house. He yelled. The entity yelled, and the

423
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: other person heard it in real time like I did,

424
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: and well we all did. The group Yeah, yeah, they

425
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 2: were like, oh my god, did you hear that? And

426
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: for the first time, I'm like, okay, So people are

427
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: hearing what I'm what I'm going for.

428
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 5: Also, the people on the zoom would hear it.

429
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 4: On the other end, you picking up on people's yeah,

430
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 4: crying and and reading into what they were going through.

431
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 6: And the cords, the cables on the ceiling that were flickering,

432
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 6: a lot of odd voices that everyone who partook in

433
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 6: the zoom was saying first time in real time.

434
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 4: So your idea was about having people over for a

435
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 4: little U don't know experience would be crazy.

436
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, it's very intimate to have people

437
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: in your home and you've got kids and stuff. But

438
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 1: I always just I just want to shut those people up.

439
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: I just want those people to see something that they'll

440
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 1: never forget. Do you feel right now that there's like

441
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: anybody in the room with you.

442
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: Well, there's one girl. Her name is Emily, and she's

443
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 2: always here so that I I can't say I don't

444
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: count her, but she's just always around, so yes, okay,

445
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: and she's just chilling and we've been conflicted. I've told

446
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: other people about her, and some people said, well, do

447
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: you really think it's a child, Because you do know

448
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: that entities, bad entities, can you know they can take

449
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: on any shape or anything they want to try to

450
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: fool you. This particular entity I know is a child

451
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: because I ended up doing just my own research once

452
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: she started coming around and found out that she died

453
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: in a car accident at seven years old.

454
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: Oh you found a real person.

455
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. This was a real child. She died

456
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 2: at seven years old in a car accident. And the

457
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: thing is, this entity told me that, but I decided

458
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: let me go do a little research. You know, we

459
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: live in a digital era now, and I was able

460
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: to find her death. So this entity is a child,

461
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: and I really don't mind her being around. She's never

462
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: shown any aggression or anything, you know, where I would

463
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: be nervous or paranoid about.

464
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: So is she attached to this apartment or.

465
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: Is she No, she's attached to me for some reason. Okay,

466
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: still haven't figured that out. It's been h five years

467
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: that she's been you know, she comes around, especially when

468
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: I do these you know, little events more like curiosity.

469
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: You know, she's lost her What could I don't know

470
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: because she's never said anything about why she's attached. I

471
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: just know she's attached.

472
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: Well, she she probably knows that you're a great mother

473
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 1: and she's just like.

474
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: I thought of that reason too. One of my friends

475
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: had had said that to me, you know, when I

476
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: was running it past her, like I keep seeing this

477
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: this one little girl, and she was like, well, it's something,

478
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: especially once I found out that she actually was a

479
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: child when she died, and it was a real kid.

480
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: She was like, she must feel comfortable around you.

481
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: Where did she live?

482
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 2: Where does she live in Tennessee?

483
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: Did you go there?

484
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: No? I didn't go there. I looked it up to be,

485
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, just going off of, you know, the conversations

486
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: that me and her had. And to be clear, every

487
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: time I run into an entity, they do not communicate.

488
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: All of them do not communicate. There are some that

489
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: I'm just seeing they see me, I see them, and

490
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: that's that. But the ones that want to communicate to me.

491
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: This is just my opinion. I feel like most of

492
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: the time, those have not been the bad ones. Those

493
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: have not been evil. They haven't been I get a

494
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: cold feeling when I'm looking at one of them that

495
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: doesn't speak at all. That's usually bad. Oh, bad things

496
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: always happened, you know around that time or the next day.

497
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: I'll have a really bad day. So I'm convinced the

498
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: ones that speak, most of the ones that speak are good.

499
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: So how many do you think are attached to the home?

500
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 2: I never thought of a number that are attached to

501
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: the home since I've been seeing them.

502
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: But there are ones that are attached to the home,

503
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: and you.

504
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: I feel like there are a couple that are attached

505
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: to the home. My grandfather died I want to say,

506
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: eight years ago, and he lived here. We all lived

507
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: here together, so his spirit, I know, is here, and

508
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: that would make sense. Now. There was some buraya done

509
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: if Spanish people call it that, that was done here

510
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: years before I moved here, because the place that I'm

511
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: in is actually where my husband grew up, so his

512
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: family was here and they, some of them used to

513
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: have parties where they do, you know, stuff that wehch

514
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't be doing. And in my opinion, what I

515
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: think happened is a door was opened and it was

516
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: not closed correctly, and my hallway, which is where most people,

517
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: even guests that come here, happened to see or hear things.

518
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: I think that that's where the portal or door, whatever

519
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: you want to call it, is open. Because at certain times,

520
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: certain nights I can walk through the hallway and I

521
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: can see the whole hallway almost light up. So I'm

522
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: seeing that and it's it's it's so illuminating to me

523
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: that I even thought about trying to put my hand

524
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: through it a couple of times. But I'm smarter than that,

525
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: so I was like, no, I don't think that would

526
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: be a good idea because you know, I could get

527
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: stuck over wherever that is.

528
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, Like, and it was the same with Selena

529
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: in the whole way where we saw the shadows initially. Yeah,

530
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: and when have was speaking that was Rotteney the whole

531
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: way when he was on the couch, another instance where

532
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: we picked up some.

533
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: Shadow somehow work.

534
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's the hallway. I believe the door was

535
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: was not closed, And like I said, because this has

536
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: always been normal to me, I never tried to put

537
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: any real effort into having it closed. And I know

538
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: that sounds crazy, but I think maybe I should have.

539
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Well do you want to?

540
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: I definitely do that that I want I want closed

541
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: because I feel like what it does is play games,

542
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: like I won't see anything in that hallway maybe sometime

543
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: for maybe two weeks, so I'll think that Okay, maybe

544
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: the positive vibes and you know, maybe those types of

545
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: things are working and then one night it just lights

546
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: back up and you know, and I feel like when

547
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: that whull weight is like that, that's when I can

548
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: come into my kitchen and see two different people, maybe

549
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: even three different people sometimes standing there.

550
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: So interesting.

551
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm definitely sure. I just think I need navigation because

552
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing as far as really

553
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: closing anything.

554
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Maybe you need somebody that practices through had yeah, and

555
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: they'll get in there and close it the you know

556
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I'm not sure that that's so weird,

557
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: Like that's just it's weird to think. Like just like

558
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: if you think physically speaking, like a door open in

559
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: your home out in the street where anyone can just

560
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: walk into. Now, I don't want that with invisible people either. Yeah,

561
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: I don't want them just coming in and out of here.

562
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. My worry is the children. See, I know to

563
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: stay away from certain things. I'll get a feeling when

564
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: I know it's not right. But children might not be

565
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: able to decipher right and might say, okay, well if

566
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 2: they happen to see that, well, what's on the other

567
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: side of that? And that's my fear. Is almost like

568
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: a movie because that's what I'm living. You know, all

569
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: those scary things that you see and you hope you avoid.

570
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: That's basically what I go through on an almost daily basis.

571
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: And have you caught these spirits trying to lure your

572
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: children or tell your children that I have not?

573
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: I have not. I've caught the conversations. I've even caught

574
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Javier talking to entities that I'm looking at myself, so

575
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: like I can see what he's seeing. I've caught that,

576
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: but I haven't caught them actually even acknowledging to this day.

577
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: I've never told them about what I think about the

578
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: whole way and what I see, you know, because I

579
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: don't want to implant it in their mind somehow and

580
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: then the entities can really take advantage on They don't

581
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: even know about that. To my knowledge, I don't know if.

582
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 4: It was established. But actually has five children, and only

583
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 4: two or three of them actually see things. And I've

584
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: had certain encounters. The other two I haven't really seen anything.

585
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: Right, Well, there was one instance and then the other

586
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: one no interesting, So three out of five.

587
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: There was one weird photo with Antonio. Oh yeah, there

588
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: was with a figure behind one of the kids.

589
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: At one point last I want to say, last March

590
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: for the spring pictures. He was in fourth grade, and

591
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: you know, I'm getting him ready, trying to make sure

592
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: everything looks good, and I'm like, well, let me get

593
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: a picture of you before you go and mess up

594
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 2: your hair and everything. Let me take a picture now, right,

595
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 2: And we took the picture, but I didn't look at it.

596
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: When my son looked at it, he said, Ma, who

597
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: was that in the picture? There was a whole other

598
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: person standing right behind him in the picture, and the

599
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: person actually had glasses on.

600
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: I want to see.

601
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: So if you yeah, I have that, I can give

602
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: that to you. There's a few things I have here.

603
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: This happened after we wrap the documentary shooting in the film,

604
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: so just to show that things are still continuing, I.

605
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: Have I have also a footage of not that long ago,

606
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: I want to say, a month ago of because ever

607
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: since the film, you know, I set up cameras so

608
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 2: I could see what's going on. You can see a

609
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: full person sitting right at my dining room table at

610
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: like two in the morning. Like it's completely okay. Now

611
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: listen to this part. My son at two in the morning,

612
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: he's coming out his room to use the bathroom, and

613
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: the entity realizes that my son is coming out, and

614
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: then you just see it vanished. Oh yeah, I got

615
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: really tech with it. I started looking at different cameras

616
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: and the angles and figured it out. So yeah, I'm like,

617
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: imagine all the stuff I didn't you know.

618
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Oh there's a lot we missed. We missed

619
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 5: a lot unfortunately, but we captured a lot to it.

620
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's how it is, because I've done paranormal

621
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: filming stuff and yeah, these coasts are not like, they're

622
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: not actors. They're not They don't know when their camera

623
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: angles and everything, and so if you take a break

624
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: to eat some food, that might be when they come out. Yeah,

625
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: that's what I hate.

626
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 5: It's like not on cue, never on queue.

627
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like when I stay in haunted hotels and stuff,

628
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, not when I'm going to the bathroom

629
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: or I'm like in the shower or something like, because

630
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: then I have to use like and then if I

631
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: get really good footage, I gotta shell people. So yeah,

632
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. But wait, I'm so curious about Shannon. Just

633
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: all of your like involvement in this, So you did

634
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: you have a crew, like was it just you or

635
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: other people?

636
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: It was very intimate production. It was more more or

637
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 4: less the COVID type approach where it was just one

638
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: person crubing myself. I ran down, I did camera. It

639
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: was just in me hanging out here with the family

640
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: in the family home like we're doing right now, talking

641
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 4: to the kids. He had to know the family over

642
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 4: the course of a few months, and we got what

643
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: we got. We did leave the house, We did shoot

644
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: outside the house, as you know, we shot in other

645
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: hotels and outside courtyards.

646
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: I think we got more when Chris came, when the

647
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: demonologists came. Now he has his cameras as well.

648
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: So that was yeah, multiple angers.

649
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: One of the days where there was you know, not

650
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 2: just him, and that was the day where I've had

651
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 2: There were so many entities in the house at one

652
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: time that it became so overwhelming. I was just crying

653
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: because I was looking at one and one I could

654
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: feel her sorrow, one kept saying I can't find my body,

655
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: and all of that at one time was just like

656
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: too much.

657
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 5: Actually actually had seen it.

658
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: Chris Christuffer, the demologious camera was recording everything on the

659
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: SLS camera. The stick figures that's how it appears in

660
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: one particular corner of the living room.

661
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 5: And then my camera was picking up the shadow on.

662
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: The wall as well, So it was kind of like, yeah,

663
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: three perspectives, one towards the end of the.

664
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: Liclementary, Yeah, that's the best.

665
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 4: And Harmony his wife, Harmony had another camera as well

666
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: that was trained on actually, so that was that was

667
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: one instance that we had multiple cameras. But other than that,

668
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: we had surveillance foot well, we had security footage that

669
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: you had recording in the house, like when the fire

670
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: brigade came actually was recording that host self.

671
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 5: She had the laptop on running and then we could

672
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 5: see that.

673
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: The Firies come through and investigate what was going on

674
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 4: with the so called ghas lik even though it wasn't

675
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: a ghas liak whatever that was.

676
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 5: That was kind of unexplained.

677
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: But did you come fieries firefighters?

678
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 5: Yes?

679
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: I never heard that before.

680
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: I love it. Are you're Australian? Yes, Australian people say

681
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: like the cutest that, Like, I know they cast sunglasses.

682
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Sammis like, ugh, we abbreatheate a lot. I love it. Fieries. Yeah,

683
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: so the fire, the firefighters showed up because you thought

684
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: you had a gas lik possible, but they did not.

685
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we didn't know what we had. Actually the

686
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: alarm had went off, and later when I thought about it,

687
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: I knew that this was a spirit who was doing

688
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: this because I I want to say it was. It

689
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: was twenty ten. I suffered carbon monoxide poisoning me and

690
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: my husband and my two children. Wow, and we had

691
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: levels so high that we were all over the news.

692
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: There was, you know, a lawsuit in this and that

693
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: this is en upstate New York's. Yes, so for that

694
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: same type of thing to kind of mimic something like that,

695
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: I knew that it had to be. Yeah. So like

696
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: my life has been crazy for a long time.

697
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: But it wasn't that the fiber Gay determined that it

698
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: was not It was a league, but it would make

699
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 4: He then said it like we could sell.

700
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 5: They didn't know what it was.

701
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: Well, because like you know, apparently that can make people hallucinate,

702
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: and it is something that a lot of skeptical paranormal

703
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: investigators look for us like if there's a ghast leak,

704
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: because maybe that's causing you to see these things or whatever. Yeah,

705
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: but it's almost like maybe maybe these spirits were trying

706
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: to make it seem like they make the thing go

707
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: off so that it's like, see, she's just hallucinating. She's

708
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: not real, Like, you know, don't believe her. Those ghosts

709
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: are shady.

710
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: Well, the sex was real, but because all these other

711
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: professionals would come through and confirm.

712
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 2: They yeah, they just didn't. They knew it wasn't gas,

713
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: but it was something. But the smell was so strong

714
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: that they were so intent themselves on trying to find

715
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: what it was. Because after the fire department left, they

716
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: actually called National Grids and said, listen, you gotta go

717
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: over to that apartment because there's something definitely off in

718
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: there and it's not gas. They pulled out my entire

719
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: stoves to make sure because in the past I did

720
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: have you know, issues like that, and know there was

721
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: no gas, no, no nothing. We actually took the batteries

722
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: and the wires and it was still going on.

723
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 5: This was a smoke on or the CEO to no.

724
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: Well, today they have what's called their two and lunch

725
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: smoke alarm and it's a seal two.

726
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Oh that's scary, Shannon. What's like the one thing that

727
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: you experienced, whether it was on camera or not, that

728
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, this was legitab.

729
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: From the beginning, they didn't like me. The lights would

730
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 4: flicker on and off as soon as I entered the house.

731
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: Actually would unplug the lights and put it back on

732
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: and they would work again.

733
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 5: Globes wouldn't blow.

734
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 4: But there was just lots of coincidental little things like

735
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 4: that that you wouldn't even think of in the moment

736
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: that you had to look back after and realize, and

737
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: just capturing shadows and all these weird all be things

738
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: on camera that you would see on the view find

739
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: or not. You would miss it and you would see

740
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 4: it after the fact, and the edit really just made

741
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 4: me think some type of activity has gone on.

742
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 5: I've never captured anything before.

743
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: I've shot who knows how many countless hours of footage

744
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 4: in the past.

745
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 5: I've never seen this stuff before.

746
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: Were just so happens to coincide with his family that's

747
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: claiming they're seeing these things and the children are scared

748
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: for their well.

749
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 5: Being in safety.

750
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: So when the when the the microphone stand fell like

751
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 4: it was almost attacking. Actually in that instance when we

752
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: had the windows were closed in the apartment. There was

753
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: no drafts coming in. It was a heavy duty stand.

754
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: It was all secured. Actually, was talking about that, that

755
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: weird odor and the kids running past at the time,

756
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 4: and it was right on a que when you were

757
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: discussing the children that it seemed to just fall out

758
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: of nowhere, and that again, things like that had never

759
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: happened before. Maybe outside if you don't secure stands properly,

760
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: and there's a massive wind gust that come through, but

761
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 4: not in a house where there's no there's no.

762
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 5: Breeze or anything.

763
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: It's all secured, like as though it was intent on

764
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: shutting actually up.

765
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 5: That was kind of odd. Lots of lots of weird

766
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 5: little things like that.

767
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when he came into the first time, you were.

768
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: Like, I thought this was a sleep thing. What is this?

769
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, well not anymore. That's okay, We've got something more interesting.

770
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself doing more this kind of content?

771
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: Well, I mean actually, and we say that hopefully not

772
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: Hopefully they won't be a stay cool because it was

773
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: actually kind of a rough time for you in the faunily.

774
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 4: It wasn't fun and games that they were going through

775
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 4: a lot, and they were kind of terrified. Especially half

776
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: the family was two or three of the kids who

777
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: aren't actually still with it.

778
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 5: For a long time.

779
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: So hopefully, Yeah, there isn't anything new to report on.

780
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: I mean, actually he's probably always going to experience it. Yeah,

781
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: but it's slightly a little bit better, I think, but

782
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: the kids. But the kids are still reporting with phenomena.

783
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't planned, but I'm glad I did do

784
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: it because I mean, it's not all bad. It was

785
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: a lot of good feedback. Also, like people who see

786
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: stuff like that but never just wanted to talk about it, like,

787
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: you know, they'll tell me their stories and stuff like that.

788
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: But I'm convinced at thirty nine, I don't think it's

789
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: going to stop. I'm going to see them. I see

790
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: them all the time, and there's pretty much nothing I

791
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: can do about it. If I get a bad feeling,

792
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: I just ignore it for the most part. But it

793
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: gets to be very it's very distracting. It's even distracting

794
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: now because they don't like some of them don't like

795
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: when I speak about what I'm speaking about. So you'll

796
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: have ones that are right next to me, you know,

797
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: And I got to sit here and do the interview

798
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: knowing that there's a guy named Brian right here. You

799
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean, But it's it's what it.

800
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: Is, Brian from the Backstreet Boys. No, you know, well,

801
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: if the ghosts want to speak, do they want to

802
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: say anything?

803
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: You never know. You end up playing it back later

804
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: and then that's when you see something or most of

805
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: the time that that's what happens. A lot of people,

806
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: you know, told us about their experiences just from participating

807
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: in like the Q and A. They would, you know,

808
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: have things happen. A lot of them got headaches afterwards

809
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 2: for the next day, and a lot of them actually

810
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: on the live there were a few people who things

811
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: knock over in their house just and I know it

812
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: was because they were, you know, engaging with me, because

813
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: I get that a lot from people that engage with me.

814
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: But this is during the screening when we had the

815
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 4: screening of VA documentary and then the QO and I

816
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: off the on Zoom that was hosted by various people

817
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: in the paranormal world and their fans would come in

818
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: on Zoom and we would.

819
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Talk cause I imagine having this, I mean, what do

820
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: you call it an ability? Do you view it as

821
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: like a good thing.

822
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: You know what. I always refer to it as an

823
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: ability like any other ability. Yeah, I'm kind of on

824
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: the fence with the gift word because it's like when

825
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: you help somebody because the spirit told you to tell

826
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: them something, then that's the good part. But the bad

827
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: part is the going days sometime without sleep because you

828
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 2: can't sleep because a lot of the time, what happens

829
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: if I'm sleep, I'll hear different entities talking amongst themselves,

830
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: not to me, but I can hear their conversations, so

831
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: that and that it will intrigue me to get up

832
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: and try to see what's going on or see, you know,

833
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: see what they're talking about. So that can be the

834
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: curse part. People don't want to come to your house

835
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: again sometime after They not just your house, but sometimes

836
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: they won't want to come around you because they'll feel

837
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: like I gave them bad luck. I wouldn't say lost,

838
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: but I would say become kind of a strange because

839
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: they don't want to they feel like I'm putting something

840
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: on them, which obviously that's not what I'm trying to do.

841
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: But they feel like things have followed them from being

842
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: around me, and things like that. So we don't talk

843
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: as much, and that's unfortunate, but you know, what can

844
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: I do.

845
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that could be

846
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: perceived as like a gift from this is that you

847
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: can help people to experience it and see this stuff

848
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: for real, you know, because as you know, from a

849
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: young age, people are very skeptical and they get very

850
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: angry with their bapticism about it, calling names and whatever.

851
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, through some ghosts that these

852
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: people invite them over.

853
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm glad that there was a lot of things that

854
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: were picked up though that you could see in the film,

855
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: because it kind of turns it into well, she's not

856
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: just talking, you know, because yes, I could come on

857
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: here all day and just talk about what I see, right,

858
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: but watching the film and seeing that there's even when

859
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, when the demonologies was there,

860
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: there were things happening that everyone else can now see

861
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: that it's not just me. So it was it was

862
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: kind of helpful a little bit because now to certain

863
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: people who might have thought I was nuts, they don't

864
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: think that anymore. I've had people that do know me say, okay,

865
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: I thought she was a little crazy for some years,

866
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: but I don't think so anymore.

867
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: But that's major. And it's so beautiful that your children

868
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: that have this ability as well are growing up with

869
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: some validation you know, from you and and now everyone

870
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: else that can see this that like, no, you're not

871
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: You're not just seeing these things in your head. This

872
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: is other people are seeing that. Yeah, well, we can

873
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: wrap this up. I so appreciate you guys taking the

874
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: time to talk to me. Where do people see the film?

875
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 4: The handle is It's coming film. It's coming film is

876
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: the handle. It's currently on the usual places, Prime, Apple TV.

877
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: You choose.

878
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 5: It's on DVD too, you can patch on DVD, every.

879
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: Smart TV basically, you know how they have all the

880
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: app it's all of them. Yeah.

881
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

882
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: Well, And the thing that I feel like people should

883
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: should know when they decide to watch it is I

884
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: feel with paranormal TV documentary style that there's a like

885
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: preconceived notion. It's it's a well established now genre that

886
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: you come to exp back to certain effects and sounds

887
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: and uh production or whatever, and and then people go, oh,

888
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: I've seen this kind of thing, it's fake or whatever.

889
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: But the thing that's interesting about uh, this approach that

890
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: you guys have done. Is that it's real, stripped down

891
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: and it's essentially just showing a family that is dealing

892
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: with this situation. It's it's not even super heavy on

893
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: the ghost hunting necessarily. I think it's I wouldn't even

894
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: like put it in the ghost hunting category.

895
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 5: It's a portion of family.

896
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: Like you said, I think he captured things that were

897
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: just happening. It's live.

898
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 5: No reenacting.

899
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the most scary reenactments of devils and Damon's coming

900
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: to people or anything like that.

901
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 5: Now, this is is so real and capture in the

902
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 5: moment in camera.

903
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much to Shannon and Ashley.

904
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: It's coming it came? Who was that a tale? Yeah,

905
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, check it out. I thought it was certainly

906
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: interesting and loved talking to them. Thank you all so

907
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: much for listening. I love you all, both living and dead.

908
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

909
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: haunt me came on. This has been an exactly right production.

910
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I

911
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you.

912
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: So email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

913
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: You can send a DM or voice message to the

914
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: show's Instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

915
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

916
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: roz Hernandez and on tick talk and Twitter at it's

917
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: raz Hernandez. My senior producer is the startling Jeeha Lee.

918
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was

919
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: mixed and sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My

920
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kottner. Additional production support

921
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music

922
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by

923
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: the Spooky Vanessa Lilac, Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen.

924
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: Executive produced by the chilling Karen Kilgareff, the spooky Georgia

925
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: hart Stark, and the frightening Danielle Kramer.