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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Oh it's another Monday. That means

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Speaker 1: people are pissed off in combat sports. Hey, wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: know what we are too? Hi? Everyone, it's the twenty

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Speaker 1: second of May of twenty twenty three, and it's time

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Speaker 1: for Morning Combat. Somehow the best and yet the dumbest

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Speaker 1: podcast involved in combat sports that you know of. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 1: I'm nearly one half of your hosting Duwell. My name

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Speaker 1: is Luke Thomas. I joined you from the Capitalistatus with needles,

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Speaker 1: as the customarily do, joined by my friend, the King

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Speaker 1: of Connecticut, the CTE of the Something Something, Hi, Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: Luke? I think we learned a valuable lesson in the

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Speaker 2: r Kelly trial that sometimes it's actually not better to

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Speaker 2: get pissed off than pissed on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks be, Sie. I don't know if we needed the

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Speaker 1: r Kelly trial to know that getting urinated on was

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Speaker 1: not an ideal way to go through life, but that's

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Speaker 1: certainly a joke. You can shoehorn into the intro.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, sorry Dad? Should I should I check up

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Speaker 2: on your property while I'm.

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Speaker 1: Here, and listen, I'll turn this car around. All right.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to get to today. So Devin

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Speaker 1: Hanyan and Vasili Limachenko had an incredible contest in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: and everyone is mad about it. We would talk about it, dude.

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Speaker 2: Every MMA fan that we ever convinced to watch boxing

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Speaker 2: is now sending me angry dms looking for a life refund.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, now the reality you didn't. The

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Speaker 1: problem is we haven't properly explained how to be a

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Speaker 1: They don't really get that part yet, so this feels

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Speaker 1: we talk about that. Hello, Francisennganu and Dan excuse me

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Speaker 1: about the implications of that. Plus, Hey, we have the

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Speaker 1: results from UFC Vegas seventy three, and my wedding ring

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Speaker 1: Good programming is what will take you to the nuks level.

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Speaker 2: Before you start this award winning show. Have you watched

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Speaker 2: McGregor forever yet? Beyond our multiple.

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Speaker 1: Appearances, not even a second? Will you watch the quick review?

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Speaker 1: So here's what I was gonna say. Under that condition,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just a little bit of a slow combat

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Speaker 2: sports week beyond today's reaction to finding out what it's

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Speaker 2: which is what it's like to be a boxing fan, Luke.

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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe if we've got some time to

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Speaker 1: Do you want to see us review the nw McGregor doc.

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Speaker 1: That's something we can produce if you have interest. You

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Speaker 1: well let us know what you think. With that in mind,

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Speaker 1: He defeats Vasili Lomachenko BC and what can only be

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Speaker 2: Was a fight close enough for your boy, BC to say,

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Speaker 2: Meaning it's a fight so close with so many even

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Speaker 2: I don't watch your sport because they break my heart.

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Speaker 2: it's somewhere in the middle right between, meaning, look, this

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Speaker 2: not that time. I do not believe this was corruption

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Speaker 2: the story of the fight. If you're judging it as

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Speaker 2: if there's no knockdowns and no points deducted, it's a

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Speaker 2: one fifteen, one to thirteen Loma bad left Hook had it.

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Speaker 2: And there's no corruption here. So, Luke, I'm gonna back

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Speaker 2: And basically, at the end of the day, for all

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Speaker 2: A robbery. I see a lot of things in boxing

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Speaker 2: is a great fight between two fighters that are great,

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Speaker 2: Outside of that, Luke, I'd love to know how you

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll talk about Dave Moriady in just a second,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Sometimes who would you rather be? It does align

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Speaker 2: which is who won the story of the fight. Both

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Speaker 2: go to Lomachenko. Why because again, close fight through about

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Speaker 2: two thirds of the way. I had Haney up four

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Speaker 2: that doesn't always mean that he on more rounds based

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Speaker 2: seeing how did you have it? Max Kellerman? How did

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Speaker 1: Scored?

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Speaker 2: Throughout the twelve? Are we gonna act like there wasn't

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what I would say. If the task is,

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Speaker 1: no knockdown, there's no ten eight round so they're all

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Speaker 1: ten nine rounds, right, Could I find seven ten nine

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's that's impossible, But I think for

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Speaker 1: say the eleventh round was maybe even better for Lomachenko,

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Speaker 1: if Dave Moretti is getting that wrong, you begin to

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Speaker 1: wonder where else his judgment has fallen apart, like in

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Speaker 1: cases Moretti's been I want folks to understand something. Dave

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Speaker 1: Moretti has been officiating since before I was born. Look

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Speaker 1: at me. That is how long that man has been

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Speaker 1: in that chair. I am very, very skeptical that if

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Speaker 1: well anymore. It's not merely round ten. It's what round

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Speaker 1: the Max Kellerman test, Lomachenko came out ahead in this contest.

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Speaker 1: But BC, there's a couple of things that really kind

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Speaker 1: of righteous indignation. Number one, he admitted Lomachenko later he

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Speaker 1: took round twelve off. Yeah, kata klismic mistake. Kata klismic mistake.

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Speaker 1: And even if he's not telling the truth, he's trying

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Speaker 1: That hurt him BC big time in the end, did

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Speaker 2: It did?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: If he look, I actually scored the twelve for Lomachenko,

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Speaker 2: like to rewatch that and investigate that. If I had

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Speaker 2: scored the twelfth for Hany and I recognize that Heiny

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Speaker 2: ten and eleven. I just thought that Lomachenko's work across

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Speaker 2: could have had that seven to five for Loma suddenly,

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Speaker 2: so my score is a lot closer. And if Loma

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Speaker 2: the punch stats, Loma outlanded Hany thirteen to eleven in

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Speaker 2: that final round. That doesn't necessarily mean you win it obviously, right,

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Speaker 2: because that's just a jab is not equal to a

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Speaker 2: if he wins that round, doesn't he then doesn't it

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Speaker 2: then a majority draw at that.

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Speaker 1: Point, Yeah, it would change the scoring. It would at

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Speaker 1: least put it automatic rematch scenario or run this one back,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know if that favors Wmachenko either. I

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Speaker 1: the result. His better rounds, Like what's the Hany equivalent

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Speaker 1: of round eleven? Right, it doesn't really exist, like maybe

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Speaker 2: Six, four, round six. Even then, Haney's best round where

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Speaker 2: he hurt Lomo Tokkati, he outlanded him twelve to seven,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like Lomo was slowing down because of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Lomachenko outlanded Hany twenty to two in round eleven,

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Speaker 1: twenty to two, in jabs eight to one, and in

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Speaker 1: Hany round like that.

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Speaker 2: Here's what's interesting, And I think it's going to better

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Speaker 2: illustrate how close this fight actually was. So can I

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: And I think on the instant reaction that I filed

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Speaker 2: you know what, You're probably right he did score it

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Speaker 2: to ten ten round When when Ryan Garcia got dropped

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Speaker 2: So if the argument is that, hey, Vegas, you're using

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Speaker 2: I'll take you on that argument. But looke, I scored

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Speaker 2: the entire second half for Lomachenko the final six rounds.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying everyone else should. In fact, there were

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Speaker 2: Round ten, you can't really defend Loma out landed him

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Speaker 2: eleven to five. Heiny did have some moments late to

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Speaker 2: three judges got it right that Loma one. Obviously, Round

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Speaker 2: eleven is Loma's widest round, And I do think that

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Speaker 2: second half and he just said the most dominant round

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Speaker 2: examine parts of round six through twelve from a scoring standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Even though I scored all six for Loma, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: just you know, not thinking and running his name down

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Speaker 2: look at the punch stats, Hani did outland Loma Chenko

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Speaker 2: in round six and seven, Loma only landed two more punches.

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Speaker 2: In round eight, their output was equal, and round nine

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Speaker 2: Hani landed four more punches and then Loma clearly won.

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Speaker 2: Ten and eleven and twelve is another toss up round.

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Speaker 2: So considering I already scored the first half four to

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Speaker 2: ten and eleven that Lomo was really walking down Haney,

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Speaker 2: Before that, there is there's arguments for both sides. So

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Speaker 2: certainly the guy who scored it one sixteen, one, twelve,

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Speaker 2: eight rounds to four for Hany. A lot of us

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Speaker 2: are seeing that and going, wow, I just can't get

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Speaker 2: behind that.

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Speaker 1: Look.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he saw Al Bernstein tweeted, who's

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Speaker 2: not even part of this broadcast or any connection to

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Speaker 2: these fighters? He works for Showtime. He watched the fight

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Speaker 2: with the sound down, and he had had a draw,

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Speaker 2: and he felt like seven to five Haiti was still

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Speaker 2: a good scorecard if that's how you went. But like me,

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Speaker 2: he couldn't get on board to eight four for Handy

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Speaker 2: and I get that, But if again, if you just

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Speaker 2: not understanding that it very easily could have been seven

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Speaker 2: and how close they were. And look, could you tell

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Speaker 2: if you've shared that yet, and if you have it

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Speaker 2: there exactly how your brown breakdown went.

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Speaker 1: I have scored it multiple different ways under multiple different watchings,

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Speaker 1: here's the conclusion I come to. I am not super

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Speaker 1: upset about Devin Haney winning. I do feel like Lomachenko

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Speaker 1: has a better argument for it, but I recognize your

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Speaker 1: argument that, like guys, they're just not far apart enough

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Speaker 1: to be filled with righteous indignation. Again, especially with Lomachenko

432
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Speaker 1: admitting he took round twelve off, like that was just

433
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Speaker 1: such a bad decision, really really cost him in the end.

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Speaker 1: So I am a sort of here's where I come

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Speaker 1: down to BC. This is basically just it. Like you know,

436
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Speaker 1: when you make it the argument that's a math problem,

437
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Speaker 1: it kind of dissolves what people get really upset about

438
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Speaker 1: because you're like, look, there's a mechanism and there's a

439
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Speaker 1: process we have to follow to to basically add up

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Speaker 1: the scores in a way that takes some of the

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Speaker 1: feeling of what you have out of this equation. But

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Speaker 1: I just want, I mean, I just want to point

443
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Speaker 1: out something. Dave Mouretti. It's like everyone's beating him up

444
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Speaker 1: and like he is a symptom of a larger problem,

445
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Speaker 1: and I really want folks to more closely focus on that.

446
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Speaker 1: We're living in a world where the folks in charge

447
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Speaker 1: of decision making and officiating. They're forcing onto us, not

448
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Speaker 1: in totality, but in a lot of ways. This kind

449
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: of like gerontocracy, right. They're forcing onto us people who

450
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 1: are like The notion is that their tenure provides greater wisdom,

451
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Speaker 1: and I really, really, really really don't think that is true.

452
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Speaker 1: I think there is a window. I think folks need

453
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Speaker 1: to think more about judging and reffing like they do athletes.

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Speaker 1: There's actually a prime, and then you can get out

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Speaker 1: of it, at which point your judgment becomes a little

456
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Speaker 1: bit suspect. We are in a world where so much

457
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Speaker 1: of this process is far outside the officiants prime, which

458
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Speaker 1: gets to this position where listen, can you make an

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Speaker 1: argument for Devin Haney. Yes, quite obviously you can. You

460
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Speaker 1: can find seven rounds for him, that's not that difficult.

461
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Speaker 1: But we keep ending up with what feels like suboptimal results,

462
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Speaker 1: suboptimal outcomes that don't really express the nuance, like it

463
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Speaker 1: would just be nice if in boxing we had more

464
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Speaker 1: decisions that express the nuance in a way that corresponded

465
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Speaker 1: with what you were wanting on the screen. And it

466
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Speaker 1: always feels like they're divorced at the worst times.

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Speaker 2: Right, But This is also an mma problem. It's the

468
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Speaker 2: ten point less system. It would be different if we

469
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Speaker 2: did this by pride rules. And to be honest, people

470
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Speaker 2: that are scoring at home with a beer in their hand,

471
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Speaker 2: you know you're not watching it always subjectively on point

472
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Speaker 2: by point, round by round. You're watching the romanticism of

473
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Speaker 2: the older guy making the surge in the second half.

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Speaker 2: But the reason why I stress the math problem that

475
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Speaker 2: gets people so pissed off is you have to remove

476
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Speaker 2: the emotion unless it's a ten eight round, unless it's

477
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Speaker 2: a dominant, obvious ten eight round, or there's a knockdown

478
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Speaker 2: ten nine Lomachenko in which he outlanded Hany twenty to two.

479
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it gets the same points on the scorecard

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Speaker 2: as Hany barely edging Loma in an earlier round in

481
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Speaker 2: which maybe he landed less overall punches, but he landed

482
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Speaker 2: more harder shots. That's the ten point must scoring system.

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Speaker 2: The judges are literally taught that every round is its

484
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Speaker 2: own fight. Do not carry over the momentum from the

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Speaker 2: round before the storylines. Look, I talked to a lot

486
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Speaker 2: of judges. I happen to be close to a few

487
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Speaker 2: of them, and they they purposely stay out of like

488
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Speaker 2: the themes leading up to the fight. They don't do

489
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Speaker 2: media to talk about who they think could win or

490
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Speaker 2: should win. They're not focused on the interviews of each fight.

491
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Speaker 2: They're only focused on what happens in those three minutes,

492
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Speaker 2: and they're also focused on the letter of the law.

493
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Speaker 2: They're also watching from one foot away without the internet,

494
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Speaker 2: without instant replay, and they have to make an instant decision.

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Speaker 2: If anything, the arguments here should be more toward the

496
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Speaker 2: scoring structure and the system in this case then, particularly

497
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Speaker 2: this fight, and why we because look when you look

498
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Speaker 2: at the punch stats, which again could tell the story,

499
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Speaker 2: Loma landed fourteen more punches overall, nine more jabs overall,

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Speaker 2: and five more power punches overall. But he also had

501
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Speaker 2: a round eleven and twelve statistically in which he absolutely dominated.

502
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Speaker 2: So when you bring those more back down to earth,

503
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Speaker 2: heine's still connected on forty one percent of his power shots.

504
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Speaker 2: You know that old boxing added, if you land at

505
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Speaker 2: least forty percent of your power shots, you probably should

506
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Speaker 2: have won that fight. There's obviously exceptions. Judges do look

507
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Speaker 2: at that. They do look at which fighters walking down

508
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: the other more landing the bigger shots if from one

509
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Speaker 2: or two feet away, they favored more of Hany in

510
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Speaker 2: the earlier mid rounds before Loma came on. I'm sorry,

511
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Speaker 2: that's the scoring system. That's and it's the same thing

512
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Speaker 2: at MMA. It's just the rounds are longer and there's

513
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Speaker 2: less of them. I get it where one guy looks

514
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Speaker 2: like he one more, and it should be that. Unless

515
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Speaker 2: we're gonna change to Pride rules in boxing, you gotta

516
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Speaker 2: win seven rounds to fight, you know, clean, clear and defiantly.

517
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Speaker 2: The punch stats don't tell you that this was clean

518
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Speaker 2: and clear, and neither do the media scores across the board.

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Speaker 2: It's a great fight. Look, I saw people who had

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Speaker 2: at four nothing Loma, and I saw people who had

521
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Speaker 2: four nothing Haney off the start. That's what happens when.

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Speaker 1: You have a great fight, no doubt about it. I

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Speaker 1: just you know, it's a interesting point, like, unless we're

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Speaker 1: gonna judge boxing by Pride rules, you know this what

525
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Speaker 1: we've got. I I'm not going to show up to

526
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Speaker 1: commission meetings and lobby for a rule change. So the

527
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Speaker 1: most that I am doing is just airing a viewpoint

528
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Speaker 1: on YouTube. On May twenty second of twenty twenty three,

529
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Speaker 1: and I'm not really advocating for any kind of major change,

530
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Speaker 1: but I just feel like, and I think a lot

531
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Speaker 1: of fans have a sneaking suspicion about this too. And

532
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: this is much more of a pronounced conversation in MMA.

533
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Speaker 1: We should be glad that we actually have these conversations

534
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Speaker 1: in MMA, because we actually do have now one coming

535
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Speaker 1: to the United States convincing Colorado to use an alternate

536
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Speaker 1: scoring system. It's in its infancy, but that is a

537
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Speaker 1: big coup that we now can judge MMA in two

538
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Speaker 1: very different scoring systems. Boxing does not have that luxury.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I mean to say, BC the most

540
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Speaker 1: the institutions and the worlds that are most ready for change,

541
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Speaker 1: that are most ready for disruption, I use I hate

542
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: that word, but it really is true. And most ready

543
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 1: for updates are the sclerotic ones. And dude, Boxing is

544
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Speaker 1: nothing if run as a sclerotic, slow moving.

545
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Speaker 2: Hell sleurotic mean luke, Can we get back down to

546
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 2: more Monday morning words that we'd use at the water cooler?

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Unresponsive to change, unresponsive to demand, unresponsive to need.

548
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: It just lurches along and kind of gets old and

549
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: just sort of limps to the finish line. And I'm

550
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Speaker 1: talking not so much about the industry where we're getting

551
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Speaker 1: some younger guys who are taking on new challenges. What

552
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 1: I mean is the institutions that cradle and support and

553
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: give it direction and frankly legal legitimacy. These institutions are

554
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: so old, they are so unresponsive, they are so desperately

555
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: in need of a better way to do it. And

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Speaker 1: I am just saying pie in the sky shit because

557
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Speaker 1: no one is going to advocate for this. So to

558
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Speaker 1: end the conversation about the scoring, BC, I accept that

559
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Speaker 1: a scorecard for Devin Haney is legitimate, and at the

560
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Speaker 1: end of the day, if you can say that, then

561
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Speaker 1: it kind of, you know, takes away the criticism. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, BC I and I think men people

563
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Speaker 1: just feel like, whether it's who's staffing the seating jobs

564
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Speaker 1: with the judge's ringside, or the way in which we

565
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: do it, this just doesn't feel like we're getting this right.

566
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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like we're doing this the right way,

567
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Speaker 1: and that leaves a lingering, bitter feeling in your mouth.

568
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Speaker 1: And I understand that would.

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Speaker 2: You have do you think that the the outcry would

570
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: have been less if it had been a split decision

571
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Speaker 2: or a majority with one card being.

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Speaker 1: Even probably And of course if folks don't understand our audience,

573
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Speaker 1: I think understand understands this. But a lot of casual

574
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Speaker 1: fans don't like an individual judge b see, as you

575
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Speaker 1: are well aware, cannot score ified a split decision like

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Speaker 1: they just put in a card and however the math

577
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Speaker 1: turns outs. However the math turns out. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of how the public accepts it, I think they would

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Speaker 1: also people have been like, well, one sixteen one twelve

580
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Speaker 1: is bullshit. I don't agree with one sixteen one twelve

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Speaker 1: at all. I do think that's fairly crazy. But I

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Speaker 1: get I again, I can understand, given how things work,

583
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Speaker 1: how you end up in a position like that. But finally,

584
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: the question, the real question is did the right guy win?

585
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Speaker 1: Did the right guy win?

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Speaker 2: And that was my point all along. The right guy

587
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Speaker 2: could have not won, And it doesn't mean robbery. It

588
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: may mean, as you said, larger issues with the scoring

589
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Speaker 2: system or how we pick these judges. But I just

590
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Speaker 2: want to close with this. We all have to come

591
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Speaker 2: in with a bias. Judges at the end of the

592
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: day are are told and taught not to have any bias,

593
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Speaker 2: And like I said, I know judges who like purposely

594
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Speaker 2: won't read preview stories. They don't want anything to influence

595
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: them to like look out for this. If this fighter

596
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: is doing this, that might mean they win. So they're

597
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: supposed to be unbiased and just judge it. Sometimes they

598
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 2: get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. But they

599
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: are like field goal kickers in the NFL. They're on

600
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Speaker 2: an island with a lot of pressure on them for

601
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Speaker 2: that job, whether they're the right people or not. But

602
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Speaker 2: let's let's make an MMA equivalent, Luke. I watched Jones

603
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Speaker 2: Gustafson wan I remember that, went to the scorecards. I'm like, man,

604
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Speaker 2: finally somebody beat Jones. I never thought i'd see augustuson

605
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: deserves this man. He won three to two, and then

606
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 2: you know, I think he lost the United's decision. It's like,

607
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: all right, maybe they saw something different. Now subsequently I

608
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: rewatched that fight. I see it. But remember GSP versus

609
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Speaker 2: Johnny Hendricks, the damage on GSP or I remember going to

610
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: the scorecards, going, man, somebody finally beat this version of GSP.

611
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: Look at it's indisputable he did it. Yeah, no, he didn't.

612
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: It turns out Dyla Shaw versus Dom Cruz. There's been

613
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: a million of these fights where you come in but

614
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: to act like you don't have a bias when you're

615
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: sitting at home and firing on your Twitter, you may

616
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Speaker 2: have not been paying fully attention because you're drinking, or

617
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: in the a throw, you may have had money on

618
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: one guy. You might be from one country and the

619
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Speaker 2: other opponents from the opposite, And there's these natural biases

620
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: that are in there. Those do matter whether you're fan, judge,

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Speaker 2: or media member and you're tasking yourself with scoring very

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Speaker 2: close rounds. If a fighter has the success you expect

623
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Speaker 2: them to coming in a lot of times the way

624
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 2: you expect that. If you think Devin Haynes's gonna win

625
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Speaker 2: a gonna win around by putting that jab out there

626
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: and going big to the and then he does it,

627
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Speaker 2: you're gonna naturally probably give him the round. Even though

628
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: Lomachenko kept that close flip flop, same thing. So look,

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Speaker 2: this is not always the easiest job. At the end

630
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Speaker 2: of the day, when things are so even, I'm here

631
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Speaker 2: to tell you in this fight, for the largest majority

632
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Speaker 2: of this fight, things were very even. I don't love

633
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Speaker 2: Luke that we have to sit here and defend the

634
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: system here because this is some fucking sucks. Let's be fair, okay,

635
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Speaker 2: but I don't want grenades thrown at hande because look

636
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: I already I got killed because OHBC, you scored it

637
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Speaker 2: for Loma, so you must be all about this pro

638
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: Ukraine movement that's flooding our screens. Then I got equal

639
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: dms of people going, man, you scored it against Hany.

640
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: You just don't want to see a black man be

641
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: on top. So like we all have biases coming in here.

642
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: It's a great fight, close fight. Let's do it again

643
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: and figure it out. Is that asking too much? Am

644
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: I supporting a broken sport? Or did we just have

645
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: a great contest and the people that most people thought

646
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: one didn't so let's do it again.

647
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: Well, they might do it again and we'll talk about

648
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: what's next for Loma, But I'd rather ask about this

649
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: as we moved the conversation forward, what did you learn

650
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: about Devin Haney? Because I found myself BC feeling much

651
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: better actually about his upside. And I do mean that

652
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: like DoD he he had a strong performance. He looked

653
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: to be if not Loma's equal. Again, depending on one's perspective,

654
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: certainly a worthy adversary. I very much got that sense.

655
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: But I he made a leap without answering all the questions.

656
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: He still made a decent leap.

657
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: I thought, Yeah, I think that's a interesting way to

658
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: put it, because I was gonna say this BC, we'll

659
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: talk about the rankings. To me, Shakur Stevenson is the

660
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: best in class at one thirty five. Yes, and Hani

661
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: might be better than Tank. But do he gets hit

662
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: a fair amount and you get hit like that against

663
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: Tank and problems start emerging very very quickly. Yes. What

664
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: did you learn about Devin Haney from this experience?

665
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: Well?

666
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: What I love about this experience and people that watch

667
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Hane is I've I've seen the so many things. I've

668
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: seen people go oh man, now, if Tank fights either

669
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: of these guys, he's gonna get handled. And I've seen

670
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: people on the flip side go, oh my god, Tank

671
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: knocks out both of these guys. Maybe shakurr too. I

672
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: think that's good that there's still some of that uncertain

673
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: and the things that could only be solved by these

674
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: people fighting each other. But what I learned about Hani

675
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: is look, the biggest criticism against him, largely outside of

676
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: the chin minor issue he showed in the late rounds

677
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: against Lenaris, was he's not offensive enough. He may be

678
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: perfectly well rounded in a lot of ways, but he

679
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: doesn't step his foot on the gas and go after

680
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: it with power shots. I thought the first half of

681
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: this fight on Saturday, we saw some very good leaps.

682
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: I mean, look, that was the message I gave on

683
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: Saday Knight's post show, which people didn't like of I

684
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: know you didn't love this decision, but don't let it

685
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: cloud What we saw was Loan was Haini at twenty

686
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: four largely making a big leap, and Loma at thirty

687
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: five just doing ridiculous things. But Hani's leap wasn't perfect,

688
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: which is why ultimately you could have had it scored

689
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: the other way. I had an eight to four Loma,

690
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: and I acknowledged that he broke in that second half.

691
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Luke.

692
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: The good news for Hani as he didn't break, and

693
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: the good news is that happened against one of the

694
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: best of all time and one of the best in

695
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: the world in this moment, So there's certainly some justification.

696
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: I don't think he gassed out. But I do think

697
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: actually in around ten and eleven, when Loma just started

698
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: to completely time him. I mean Loma had already taken

699
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: away his jab, but once Loma really took away his

700
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: power shots too, with the angles and the daring nature

701
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: of which he got up inside on him and started

702
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: to land on the inside. You know, Hani was mentally

703
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: at a little bit of a crossroads. And this is,

704
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: by the way, like when someone's so great and they're

705
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: so young, and they're beating a certain level of competition

706
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: so thoroughly, these are the questions that can only be

707
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: answered on the biggest stage. I mean, this experience is

708
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: so great for Devin Hainey really win or lose, I'll argue,

709
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: even though he ended up winning it because he got

710
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: a chance to go in there and face another super

711
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: elite and we got to see more about both his

712
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: strengths and his weaknesses. So Luke, ultimately I liked that

713
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: he was more offensive. Look his head movement, shoulder movement, fainting, faking.

714
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: He was able to match Loma for a large part

715
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: of this. I thought he made a leap in that

716
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: regard too. Sometimes facing the best competition brings out aside

717
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: of you that you're not always forced to show, because

718
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: it's usually out of necessity that you have to bring

719
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: it out. I certainly didn't love that Hainy faded in

720
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: the end, but the fact that he recovered in round twelve,

721
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: it's almost similar but different to what Tao did. Tayo

722
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: Fema Lopez came out so hot against against Loma, overwhelmed him,

723
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: forced this inevitable change that happens for Loma, like Floyd

724
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 2: before more and once they figure it out and make

725
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: their move, they go after it. Tayo was so good

726
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: early that he forced a late adjustment out of Loma,

727
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: but to prevent any major issue, to prevent losing that fight,

728
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: we all remember, Tayo came out in round twelve, sat

729
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: down in his punches and established, no, let me close

730
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: this strong, I'm the bigger man, the bigger puncher. Hani

731
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: didn't fully do that, but he did it close enough

732
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: to me, Luke, that show is okay. We watched him bend.

733
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: We've seen him bend before. We watched him bend against

734
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: a great one. But he did figure it out and

735
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: closed the show and may have been the better man

736
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: in that twelfth round. Not perfect could you argue yourself

737
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: points of why Shakur or Gervante or anybody else could

738
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: potentially beat him. Sure, don't overlook how great he is

739
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: and how young and great he is. He's going to

740
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: be a lot better because of this experience. You gotta

741
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 2: believe that, Luke.

742
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no den I mean, I do his body

743
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: punching early was tremendous, tremendous work he was doing early.

744
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: I thought the game plan was good. I also have

745
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: to say to the connection he has with his father

746
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: in the corner. His father gives him excellent tactical advice.

747
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: He is alert, listening, and for the most part, implements

748
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: it in subsequent rounds. I mean, I just feel like

749
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: they've got to.

750
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: Can I pause you there?

751
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: Please?

752
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: Because Bill Haney, father trainer manager of Devin, who I

753
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: like a lot and think is a very smart guy.

754
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: I did not love his second half voice in the corner,

755
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: and I did see a lot of Twitter saying, man,

756
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: Bill Haney looked lost in there. I'm not gonna go

757
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 2: to the extendments.

758
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: But I actually turned it down after round six, So

759
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: maybe after round six he was really bad. But I

760
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: get through round six, I thought he was really good.

761
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: So after here's as much as we don't like that,

762
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: Lomachenko admits, afterwards, I took the twelfth round off because

763
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: I felt like I was ahead, and by the way,

764
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: that gives me flashbacks. Unfortunately Oscar de la Hoya against

765
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: Felix Trinidad. Do I feel Oscar de la Hoya got

766
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: screwed on the scorecards in that fight? Yes? Do I

767
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: feel he also cannot complain about it because he purposely

768
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: gave up the last few rounds and listened to his

769
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: corner's advice. Yes, right in this regard Luke. As much

770
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: as we want to villainize Loma for that move, Bill

771
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: Haney told the son after round eleven, the round that

772
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: Hani got dominated one sided, head snapped back three separate times.

773
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: It felt like he told them, oh, you're winning the fight.

774
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: You're doing great now. It turns out he was right,

775
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: just so we know, But that's not the advice to me.

776
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you gotta fire that ass up and say, look,

777
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna lose this fight if you don't come out

778
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: in the twelfth and handle it and put it, you know,

779
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: and close the show. I think there were a few

780
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: moments in that second half, Luke, where we can look

781
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: back and say the Hainy corner didn't necessarily look fully

782
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: ready for prime time. And I get why that feels

783
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: the anger of people that thought Yoma one and go, look,

784
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: these guys are clowns. They almost they almost dropped the bag, right,

785
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: they almost did, Luke. To be fair, they almost did well.

786
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: They had a tough opponent. I mean, it's very, very

787
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: difficult for the kinds of things in the end. Okay,

788
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: So where does each go from here? See, he talked

789
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: about a potential rematch. I suppose that might happen. I

790
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: doubt Haney wants to do it after having to go

791
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: back to back with cambosis, but one never knows. What

792
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: do you think?

793
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: I think that we can't really talk about what's next

794
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: until we find out what's next business wise for Devin Haney.

795
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: I mentioned it on Friday Show that look, if he

796
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: wins here and this is the this is the end

797
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: of his three fight top ranked deal, and it is

798
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: he could be boxing's biggest free agent. Now that tag

799
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: might not stick because again there's a lot of people

800
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: that thought Haney didn't finish the job and lost that fight.

801
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: But look, he's still a monster free agent named twenty

802
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: four years old, the undisputed a lightweight champion, operating in

803
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: from one thirty five to one forty this window of

804
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: where all the great young fighters you know, reside, along

805
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 2: with somebody like Lomachenko, the old Wizard. On top of that,

806
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: it really depends ultimately on who he goes with. Look

807
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 2: if he goes the way of a reunion with Mattroom,

808
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: Sport and Eddie hearn although recent comments from Hearne don't

809
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: seem to be don't seem to lead me to believe

810
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: that's the direction. But let's keep in mind to Zone

811
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: has two other promoters under house, Golden Boy, which I

812
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: don't think would be the match for him, and Jake

813
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: Paul MVP Promotions. I only say that because there's been

814
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: some there's been some comments from Devin Haney even in

815
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 2: the build up to this fight that said he's received

816
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: an offer or talk from some point from Jake and MVP,

817
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: and it's something he's considering. If he goes that route, obviously,

818
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: you could be looking at Ryan Garcia, You could be

819
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: looking at Regis Progray, who just signed with Matt Troom

820
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: and has a one forty title. You could be looking

821
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 2: at a few things. If you're resigned with todp, Frank

822
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: Luke and the ESPN, we're talking about two major fights

823
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: Shaker Stevenson, a rematch with Loma, or look, if you

824
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: want to move up to one forty, the winner of

825
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: June's Josh Taylor versus Tayo Feeble fight is massive. A

826
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: lesser likely option, of course, is the PBC slash Showtime Lane,

827
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: where you've got Tank Davis, Frank, Martin Rowley, all these

828
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: other guys. I don't actually know. I don't actually know

829
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: at this point which side is more likely. But let's

830
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: say for a minute that it is ESPN. Is it

831
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: more likely, considering everyone's want network promoter fighters, that we

832
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: would see hany defend those titles at one thirty five

833
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: against Shakur or run back a pay per view with

834
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: Loma that has storyline which could fuel into the idea

835
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: of its selling. Well, what do you think, Luke.

836
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: I think he goes to one and tries to fight

837
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: Garcia on his own, That's what I think. I think

838
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: he looked a little drained, he looked a little bit

839
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: whether and obviously we saw in the second half I

840
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: mean he has a game plan, right, Like, what was

841
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: one of the things you noticed early? Tim Bradley pointed

842
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: it out where he was able to close the distance

843
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: on Hany relatively easily. Now there were there was certainly

844
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: early on. Not when I say he closed the distance early,

845
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he was able to make effective use

846
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: of it to the first four or five rounds very effectively.

847
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: But over time he certainly did. When he had Hany

848
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: in the in the up, against the ropes or in

849
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: the corner, he was doing tremendous flurrying work and really

850
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: had i'm a great deal of success and I think

851
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: over time that played a role in how the fight

852
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: was ultimately viewed. And I think that weight cut really

853
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: hurts him. I think he's going to go to one

854
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: forty and try something out there. I really believe that,

855
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: and then from there I think he might look to

856
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: run it back with whoever is relevant. But I don't

857
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: I think this is one and done with Loma. I don't.

858
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to do this one again.

859
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I wonder if he would feel more

860
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: if it came down to if he did resign with

861
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: top rank and it came down to do you want

862
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: to do the Lama side or do you want to

863
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: do the Shakhur side. That's where we start having some

864
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: questions here, Luke, about what you know when any you

865
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: look at a Loma fight and go okay, I did

866
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: it once. I see where I can improve and make changes.

867
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 2: Shakur is obviously the unknown wildcard. You and I both

868
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: agree with the growing sentiment across boxing that, especially with

869
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: how offensive SHAKUURR was in his last fight, which was

870
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: his debut at one thirty five, that it doesn't matter

871
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: who you put out there, maybe even Tank, and Shakur

872
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: is going to get through that. He might be our

873
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: this generation's Floyd. I don't know.

874
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: He might be Luke, he might be Chelsea. It's an

875
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: important question. One more boxing note if we.

876
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: Made one more, Luke, I did want to. I didn't

877
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: get enough from you about what Loma did great and

878
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: about how great of her performance was this. This is

879
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: a cheeky question, but is this lost the biggest win

880
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: of Loma's career? Is this performance the best we've ever

881
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: seen of the surefire first ballot Hall of Famer given

882
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: the circumstances.

883
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't necessarily feel that way. I think

884
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: the way that I feel is that you know, there's

885
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: a video of him. I don't know if the producers

886
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: have it. I didn't turn it in, so I don't

887
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: mean to suggest that somebody should have it. Was this

888
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: something that I just saw I'm sure you saw it

889
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: as well, circulated on social media of Lomachenko like really

890
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: crying in the locker room, and these were like, this

891
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: was not just a tear falling down his h his

892
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: face with his face sullen, sort of accepting that he

893
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: had lost. There seemed to be something a little bit

894
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: more there, and it seemed to me, B see that

895
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: what you know, I can only speculate, but it just

896
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: felt to me like you crying about I had one

897
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: go at this and I can't get it back. At

898
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: thirty five, I bet that was a very difficult camp

899
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: to get ready for dude this skilled, who is this young,

900
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: and to produce that kind of a result. Granted, still

901
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: taking the twelfth off, taking other parts of rounds off,

902
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: which I think speaks to his age. You're asking what

903
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: he did well. Partly, I feel like he marshaled all

904
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: of his personal forces to make a win here. Possible.

905
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: I think that's why it weighed so heavily on him

906
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: when he lost, because I don't think he left any

907
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: stone unturned in that preparation. Yes, here's the video. Just

908
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: watch him cry. This is a deep cry, man. There's

909
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: different kinds of cries, you know, Like this is such

910
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: a profound with saddening one when you really watch it,

911
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: Like look how hard it is. It is hitting him

912
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: like this is getting to the soul of things. So like,

913
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: obviously his adjustments were pretty great. I thought his flurrying

914
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: was pretty great. I thought his corralling was pretty great.

915
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: I thought his overall output was pretty great. I thought

916
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: he had an opponent was pivoting with him, but he

917
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: was still able to get the better of the turns

918
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: and the angles over time. Like in many ways, it

919
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: was the most overall both technical and workmanlike performance from

920
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: from uh from Loma Chenko. So it sounds like I'm

921
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: actually agreeing with the premise of your question, but I

922
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: did not necessarily get from it like vintage Loma. I

923
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: got maximum Loma in terms of like all the different forces.

924
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: And maybe for that reason, BC, you think it is special,

925
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't really disagree with that I got, But

926
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: in terms of like the highlight reel and what will

927
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: be left there, this was not really that.

928
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: This was not But there's some reasons why I got

929
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: shades of vintage Loma executed through the mindset and body

930
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: of a thirty five year old who, like you said, yeah,

931
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: was harnessing kind of like pouring out the jug of

932
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: greatness and going one more time. But like you can't

933
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: discount what we saw. Hani's a massive lightweight who's probably

934
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: gonna end up at welterweight and one fifty four down

935
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: the road, and Loma is a tiny one thirty five who,

936
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: as we already know, like probably would still be at

937
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: one twenty six if that division during that whole run

938
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: was red hot and there were more champions willing to

939
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: fight him. It does show you, Luke, that Loma, like

940
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: three losses in twenty fights, already first bat Hall of

941
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: Famer in terms of the accomplishments. But like, what could

942
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: this guy have even been down at his own weight

943
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: if he had stayed there this whole time? Look at

944
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: what he did at one thirty five, at thirty five

945
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: years old against a twenty four year old young stud

946
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: in his first monster moment he made the adjustments. He

947
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: walked down the bigger man and acted like the bigger

948
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 2: man after getting beaten to the body in the middle

949
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: point of the like everything about this to me from

950
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: a moral victory almost folk hero standpoint, that may be

951
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: the best, the best form of excellence that Loma's ever

952
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: shared with us. And I do want to stop and

953
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: give him that respect in those flowers because that was

954
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: just just brilliant on Saturday Night. But we'll see what

955
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: happens with Hane's dependent upon a few things, Luke, But

956
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: as a boxing fan, to close this for good here,

957
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: Haini Lomachenko two to me, if Devin resigns with top rank,

958
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: if they're willing to put up money and make this

959
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: a thing, I'm down. Yeah. I know you hate rematches,

960
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: but I'm down, Luke. I'm down for that she is.

961
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: In the interest of moving the conversation alone, BC, you'd

962
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: love to get a reaction about the Katie Taylor losing

963
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: a majority decision to Chantell Cameron over on his own.

964
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: It was for folks who know it was a homecoming

965
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: for Katie Taylor, the first time she's fought professionally in Ireland.

966
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: A very, very big deal for her as a thirty

967
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: six year old arguably and contended for best women's boxer ever,

968
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: and she did lose. Now she was going against, as

969
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: we indicated, someone who is basically naturally much bigger than her.

970
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: And I have to say Cameron had a excellent effort, dude.

971
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: She was on top and pushing Taylor back from the

972
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: word go. She never let off the gas. BC, li

973
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: like to me, Taylor did have spirited moments, probably claimed

974
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: a few rounds. I know that some folks had her

975
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: a draw. I think that's a Homer scorecard. I don't

976
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: really see a strong case for a draw, but nevertheless,

977
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: the right person one. The big difference to MEBC was

978
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: that even when Taylor was landing, it didn't really have

979
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: much an effect of an effect on comrade. She was

980
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: able to do whatever she wanted physically. That was not

981
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: true the other way around. So the question is this,

982
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: did you finally see age catching up at thirty six

983
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: years old with Katie Taylor?

984
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: Yes, you did to some degree. Yes, with the Katie

985
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: Taylor of you know, four years ago, three years ago,

986
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: have have found a second gear to figure this out?

987
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: Certainly it's quite possible, but I want to give Chantell

988
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: Cameron respect because I didn't see that on the tape,

989
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: that effort, and it's particularly her right hand that won

990
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: the fight. Well, one of the fight was she was

991
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: the bigger puncher. She ended up being more active and

992
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: brought the fight to Taylor right off the start. But Luke,

993
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: that right hand, I mean she loops that and telegraphs that.

994
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: Normally she was direct with it in this fight, and

995
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: I just think the totality early on of a bigger

996
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: fighter who's all over you and is landing clean. I

997
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: think that rattled Katie. It may have heard her, may

998
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: have buzzed her and got her off her game plan

999
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: because in the rounds that mattered. As Katie tried to rally,

1000
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: her head was in the center line far more than normal.

1001
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: She was there to be hit. Her trainer Ross and Ammel,

1002
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: I think is that might be how you say his

1003
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: name was all over her the whole time, swearing, trying

1004
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: to be like, look, stop brawling with her, try to

1005
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 2: box some distance. But it's funny, Luke. Normally, I say

1006
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: Katie Taylor benefits from the ten round, two minute rounds

1007
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 2: set up that we have in women's boxing, which I

1008
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: don't agree with in this fight. I think it actually

1009
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: held her back from winning it or trying to rally

1010
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: more because Shantell Cameron was stingier and tougher and stood

1011
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: right there with her and just outworked her, and her

1012
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: punches had more meaning, and I think that's what made

1013
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 2: it look like Katie was having an off night, which

1014
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: she did. I thought the crowd would be able to

1015
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: rally her back, and that atmosphere was good, but the

1016
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: combination with age and sometimes look, I didn't think moving

1017
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: up five pounds would matter to her. We've seen Serrano

1018
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: moniacally jump up and down and wait, sometimes you do

1019
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: hit that wall. For Katie Taylor's style with camera, with

1020
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: a strong jab right hand and using that act, you

1021
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: know that volume, she hit a wall. Luke, it's got

1022
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: to be at least partially induced. It has to be

1023
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: at this point.

1024
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. I just felt like, again, I

1025
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: do think part of the story really has to be

1026
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: that Cameron was naturally quite bigger. You could see that

1027
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: when they were locked up with one another. But she

1028
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: just felt like she was moving downhill the whole fight.

1029
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: That's what it looked like to me. She was just

1030
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: constantly moving forward on her, pressing her as you indicated,

1031
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: getting off the better shots. In general, Katie Taylor having flurries,

1032
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: having moments, having a respectable effort to be sure, just

1033
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: really not enough in the end, real quickly. Job done.

1034
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: Coach Phil mccagan, our guy, he's always I love texting

1035
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: this guy during fights. He was saying, Man, this looks

1036
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: a lot like Canelo Beevall, and I think you can

1037
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: make that comparison. But what about the Canelo Beevall comparison

1038
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: On the way out. I didn't realize Katie Taylor had

1039
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: a mandatory rematch clause, and it took her one second

1040
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: on the post fight interview to mention that, hey, I'll

1041
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: see you next time. I don't really necessarily need or

1042
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: want to see this when we've been building toward this

1043
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: Serrano rematch. Where do you come in on this? It

1044
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 2: does feel a little Canelo Bevalish in that regard.

1045
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. I don't think it many favors for that.

1046
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's still obviously, I mean, because they had

1047
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: such a special first fight, I think plenty of folks

1048
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: are willing to be like, well, we still want to

1049
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: see Katie Taylor in the Manasarono Box like, it doesn't

1050
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: really hurt it in that way, but it doesn't really

1051
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: help it. I would not be interested in the rematch.

1052
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: This was not again. I know there's some folks had

1053
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: there was one draw was a majority of decision. I

1054
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: did see some scorecards for a draw. It's homer shit,

1055
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: that's not It's yeah, that's just not really a very fair,

1056
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: I think an accurate scorecard. So to me, it's like,

1057
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: I think they should just move to that. You know,

1058
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: thirty six, you're wasting time otherwise, just go in that

1059
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: direction and leave it be. I think it'll do fine.

1060
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: They could put it back in Ireland, they could put

1061
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: it in New York or some other major market and

1062
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: do quite well with it, and I think most folks

1063
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: would be happy with that, to be honest. Here, yeah,

1064
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: all right with that in my NBC. Let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about UFC, but before we get to what

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00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: happened over the weekend. I do feel like this was

1067
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: really big news, so I'd like to start with it here.

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Speaker 1: Dana White and Francis and Gan, who basically volleyed in

1069
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: the media related to in Gan who's signing with the

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Speaker 1: PFL over the weekend, and my question to you is BC,

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00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: what did you learn from this exchange? So well, first

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Speaker 1: let's do this. We've got Dana White talking about it.

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00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: This came from the post fight presser of UFC Vegas

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00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: seventy three. We've got a few tweets from Francis Anghanu

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00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: to respond to that. So let's air what Dana had

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00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: to say. Let's talk about what Francis said and then

1077
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: react to it. Here's data. We also got to ask

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00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: about Francis Sincona going to PFO.

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Speaker 4: I'm just hearious about your thoughts on that deal. You know,

1080
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 4: based on what I know about the deal, which is

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00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 4: not much, it makes no sense to me. I mean,

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00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 4: you're going to pay a guy not to fight for

1083
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 4: a year and it's already been like eighteen months. He's

1084
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: fought three times in the last three years. It's just

1085
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: not what we do here. It's not what we do.

1086
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: And the day that we released him, I knew exactly

1087
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: what was going to happen. And Francis wants to take

1088
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 4: zero rests, doesn't want to take any chances, and he

1089
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 4: obviously didn't want to take a chance against Sean Jones.

1090
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 4: And after we saw what happened with Cyril Gone. You know,

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00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 4: I don't blame him. I think the outcome would have

1092
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 4: been exactly the same, and I'm sure most of you do,

1093
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: and I'm sure Francis does too, you know, And the

1094
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 4: media makes it sound like that I'm saying that he's

1095
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 4: afraid of him. I don't think that he's afraid of anybody.

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00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 4: It's just the fact that he doesn't want to take

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00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: any risk he wants to. You know, PFL is going

1098
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 4: to pay this guy to train for a boxing match

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00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 4: that may not even happen and that they might not

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00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: even be involved in. How does that make any sense?

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00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense to me. I mean, Anthony Joshua

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00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: called it a gimmick fight this week, you know, he

1103
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 4: when asked about that fight, He's like, I'm focused on

1104
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 4: fighting the best guys in the world. You know, I'm

1105
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 4: not interested in the gimmick fight right now. And that's

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00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: one of the big problems with boxing right now is

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00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 4: it's it's all about these gimmicky type fights, and that's

1108
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: just not what I do here. It's not what I do.

1109
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 4: I put on fights with the best fighters in the world,

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00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 4: and fights that people want to see Francis could have

1111
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: done a deal here hunter through the kitchen sink at

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00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 4: that guy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there you have it. Whoops, forgot to sit up there.

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00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: My bad. All right?

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00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: So were you playing a little pocket pool corner?

1116
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, I was just checking some of my

1117
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: messages on Twitter. I apologize. Okay, b see with that

1118
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: in mind. So that's Dana's side of the story. Let's

1119
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: put up the tweets now from Francis and Gan, and

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00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: we have them right here. So he responds, and I'll

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00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: read it out loud for the people who are listening

1122
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: over the podcast, quote, what is your problem with me?

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00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: He doesn't tag Dana in it, He just sort of

1124
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: speaking cryptically, but we all know who it's for. Number One,

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00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: I completed my contract, he writes, was a free agent

1126
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: and chose to walk away. You didn't release me. Number Two,

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00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: I hate taking risks. That's why I decided to defend

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00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: my title to fulfill my contract with no ACL or MCL.

1129
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: The couple more tweets that follow from here. Three, the

1130
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: reason I fought three times in three years is because

1131
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: you wanted to control my deal and sign a new

1132
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: one and freeze me out. I owe these guys, three

1133
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: fights a year? Isn't that what you say? What happened?

1134
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: I always asked for and never said no to any

1135
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: fight in the three years, and I think there's one

1136
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: more last, but not least. I'm finally getting paid and

1137
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: respected and have a deal that's fair and equal for

1138
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: all parties. Why are you so against me being free

1139
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: and happy? We see your reaction.

1140
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: Well, look, you know, Dan, if you want to stay consistent,

1141
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: then isn't Nate Diez scared of matching himself against elite competition,

1142
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: which is why he fought out his contract and is

1143
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: now taking on a YouTube boxer. And hey, while we're

1144
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: at it, isn't the great one Habib, you know, afraid

1145
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: of the new generation of lightweights and doesn't want to

1146
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,959
Speaker 2: match himself because he had some promise to his mother

1147
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: and late father. You know, why aren't you out there

1148
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: fighting Charlie Olives and all these other guys you know?

1149
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: And why don't you fight your own boy?

1150
00:53:59,600 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: Maha?

1151
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: It's humorous, Luke at the end of the day. So

1152
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: we've already related, we've already litigated who we think is

1153
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: right or wrong in this scenario. But it's one of

1154
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: two things. Ultimately, on Dana's reaction here, one, Luke, in

1155
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: Ghanu can't succeed, because that's the greatest danger to UFC

1156
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: creating a blueprint for how the modern athlete. Now, look,

1157
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: it's already gonna be harder because they changed the contract

1158
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: rules and specifications immediately after and Ghanu left and did

1159
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: it by exhausting the five year what do they call

1160
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: that thing, Luke, the five year sunset clause. You know

1161
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: that's not going to be easier to do anymore into

1162
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: the new current contracts. But if in Ghanu succeeds and

1163
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: is happier and makes a ton of money, and oh,

1164
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 2: by the way, Dana kind of misconstrued what Anthony Joshua

1165
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: was actually trying to say. He was basically just saying,

1166
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: right now, my focus is specifically on a big fight

1167
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: that we're building to it, and not Francis. But I

1168
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: wouldn't be against that because, look, it proves that everything

1169
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: that Dana says is wrong. It shows you that if

1170
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 2: you are a different way, and if you do believe

1171
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 2: in certain virtuous things above just money, that this would

1172
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: be the path to do it. Dana doesn't want anything

1173
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: that starts trends that leads to further problems of them

1174
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: making money and limiting the business leverage of the fighters

1175
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: underneath him. The other half of it, Luke is, maybe this,

1176
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 2: maybe Dana just doesn't understand this. Here's a swinging corporate

1177
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: raider who's monstrously successful in everything he does related to

1178
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: cutthroat business and finances, most of the time. Dangling the

1179
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: carrot and making it all about money is how he

1180
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: solves problems or issues. Fighters are unhappy, Let's give you

1181
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: a little bit more money. They try that with and

1182
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 2: gone to a lot. Data is also not properly phrasing

1183
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: what that contract would have been, as Eric Nixon told us,

1184
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: as Francis said a bunch of interviews, it was eight

1185
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: million to fight Jones, but then the money dropped off

1186
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 2: considerably after that, and it was more in line with a

1187
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: lot of the issues Francis had. You also take into

1188
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: account how like Dana's lied publicly consistently for years about Francis.

1189
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 2: In Dana's world, at the end of the day, money

1190
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: is the god and the boss, and they couldn't get

1191
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 2: Francis to bend to that. So in Dana's mind, something's

1192
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: gotta be wrong with him. He's got to be scared. No,

1193
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: but Beep's not scared earlier either. Nate's not scared either.

1194
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: Like it's a joke and it's comical, but I'm trying

1195
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: to give Dana the bend for the doubt. Luke, maybe

1196
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, he just doesn't understand

1197
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: what some of these virtual virtuous blocks that in Ganu's

1198
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: standing on for and standing for and to him, if

1199
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: you don't fit in in line of chasing the carrot,

1200
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 2: well you're scared. And that's how it is. It's one

1201
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: of the two where both Luke, that's how I justify it.

1202
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 2: But either way, it's increasingly petty without question.

1203
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's funny, I didn't have a super

1204
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: strong reaction to really either guy because I sort of

1205
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: understand what the point is here. Listen, it doesn't take

1206
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: a rocket scientist to figure out Dana is saying untrue

1207
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: or half truth or basically just unflat ring things of

1208
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: his opinion or maybe not even his opinion, just whatever

1209
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: he needs to say to disparage this move by Francis,

1210
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: to undercut what the PFL wants to do, to undercut

1211
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: what fans should view of Francis and the PFL and

1212
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: their deal, and right, he's just this is what he was,

1213
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: this is what this is the playbook. I've seen a

1214
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: million times in a million different scenarios over the over

1215
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: the years, when there was someone else who was interesting

1216
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: in Sengoku or someone interesting in Pride or whatever the case,

1217
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: anybody that was not doing business with them, that the

1218
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: UFC perceived to be some kind of competitive threat and

1219
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: however big or small enough to address anyway, they do

1220
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. So in that sense, like trying

1221
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: to parse it for what it is was not really

1222
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: all that interesting to me. And then I thought Francis's

1223
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: response was kind of, you know, pretty fair and legitimate,

1224
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: like he didn't really resort to insults like the I mean,

1225
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: the idea that like the guy is risk averse is

1226
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: just so just so absurd, Like how do you get

1227
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: from Cameroon to where he is here today being risk averse?

1228
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: It's quite silly. And you could say, well, maybe he's

1229
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: being risk averse at this stage of his career at

1230
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: thirty five, but like if you're trying to lure people

1231
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: away from the UFC, you know, with money that is

1232
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: basically unheard of outside of the UFC, if not for pride.

1233
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 1: I don't really know how risk avers youre really being,

1234
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: but okay, trying to get to the specifics of it

1235
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: just seems like a waste of time. I just want

1236
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: to point something out, dude, Like John Nash has a

1237
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: report out this morning based on the financials that came

1238
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: from this this UFC and WEC parent company that was created.

1239
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: There's some financial documents obviously related to what the UFC

1240
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: made in twenty twenty two. Folks, they made in profit profit. Right,

1241
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: This is how much they get to fully keep on

1242
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: their own after all of their expenses. This is take

1243
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: home pay. They made three hundred and eighty seven million

1244
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: dollars in twenty twenty two alone, profit profit. For folks

1245
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: who are wondering what, like other promoters make, Matchroom, which

1246
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest ones in the sport, made

1247
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: fourteen million in twenty twenty two. Guys, the UFC made

1248
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: more in twenty twenty two than every MMA and boxing

1249
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: promoter combined. Three hundred and eighty seven million might be

1250
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: the most that and probably almost certainly is the most

1251
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: that any promoter in combat sports has ever made in

1252
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: a single calendar year. They are printing money absolutely just

1253
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: Scrooge McDuck swimming in it, and a lot of that,

1254
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: of course, is a very much fair and totally earned.

1255
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: We're not suggesting they're not entitled to a healthy profit.

1256
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: They most certainly are. But like when they say things

1257
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: that like Francis is making unreal demands, it's like, dude,

1258
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: you can't really believe that with a straight face anymore.

1259
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: John Nash has talked about this as well, like, how

1260
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: can you take the claims about what Francis must have

1261
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: been demanding and what his value is in a world

1262
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: where they're making truly I mean this historic levels of

1263
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: not just revenue, not not you know, we're making more

1264
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: on sponsorships than we used to. No, no, no, the

1265
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: amount of overall money they are making is without president

1266
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: in the history of fight sports. Just noodle that for

1267
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: a second. And then what Francis wants is like out

1268
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 1: of pocket. Before that, by the way, because everyone's talking

1269
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: about John Jones not getting Deontay Wilder money, can you

1270
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: now see that they could have paid him Deontay Wilder

1271
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: money and never even noticed it in the math? I mean,

1272
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Speaker 1: that's the levels.

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01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: I see that we could have had Jones and Gano

1274
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: at Raiders Stadium, like a year ago.

1275
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: We could we could have had this a long long

1276
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: time ago. So you can blame John Jones for ducking,

1277
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: you can blame Francis for duck, and you can blame

1278
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: whoever you want for this, But dude, the idea that

1279
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: there's not the money to satisfy everyone's demands and move

1280
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: this process forward is just simply not fucking true. It's

1281
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: it's the least true it's ever been in the history

1282
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: of MMA. Just see it for what it is.

1283
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also, like, was Dana risk averse luke because

1284
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: he didn't stand up to the Boston Mafia when they

1285
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: went into his kickboxing Cardio Jim and he didn't defend

1286
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: his ground and he went running back to his old

1287
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: rich friends and vas, Oh, come on, what are we

1288
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: doing here? You know what I mean? And look, it's

1289
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: great that they can make this record money, and I

1290
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: want them to do great. I want UFC to expand

1291
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: to other countries and make p I love this sport,

1292
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: I do love this brand. But you're making all this

1293
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: record money and we're still seeing questionable matchmaking week to

1294
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: week and wondering if this is all the help and

1295
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: devor pay off buying the WWE. So yeah, I think

1296
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: there's some questions that we can throw back at you too, there, Dana,

1297
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 2: that we just want truth. I really, I just want truth.

1298
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't I'd much rather respect Dana if he came

1299
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: on the microphone and been like, you know what, I

1300
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: don't really care about Francis and Ghano. I'm not gonna

1301
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: comment about him. I hope he fails. You know, he didn't.

1302
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: He didn't. He doesn't want to match himself against the

1303
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: top whatever, like just say what you really feel and

1304
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: move on. But Luke, maybe this is again, and which

1305
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: is why I gave that second scenario. Maybe this is

1306
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: what he really feels. Maybe Dana just doesn't understand a

1307
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: world where somebody would want to do this, And you know,

1308
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: they got to bury him as much as possible, Luke,

1309
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: and pray and hope he fails so that nobody else

1310
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: does it too.

1311
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there certainly is that. Just you know, it

1312
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: seems to me, B see, like you're with the last

1313
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: week or so, the last couple of weeks, you've gotten

1314
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: a glimpse of like two thousand and eight, two thousand

1315
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: and nine, era UFC two thousand and seven, even two

1316
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: thousand and seven era UFC, where they had a super

1317
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: hardcore competitive mindset about what they were going to even

1318
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: allow their competitors to do and what contracts were gonna

1319
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: look like, and they went balls out hard nos to win.

1320
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: And again like if you've got contracts, It wasn't like

1321
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: they were the only ones who had bad contracts, by

1322
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,959
Speaker 1: the way, like a lot of promoters in the space

1323
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: had messed up contracts at that time. But you get

1324
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: the idea like they were they were obviously the beneficiaries

1325
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: of some of those controlling mechanisms as well. And you

1326
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: see that they won, But the problem is they've like

1327
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: not only won, they've won times one thousand and then

1328
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: they're still doing that, Like they're still doing that at

1329
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: the point where they're barreling down on probably this year

1330
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna make over four hundred million in profit alone.

1331
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: In profit alone, they're headed towards a system like that.

1332
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: Just in twenty fifteen they only had I think ninety

1333
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: eight million in profit. Here we are in twenty twenty

1334
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: three and it's three hundred and eighty seven million dollars.

1335
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: They've got the money to pay for every fight you

1336
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: want to see three times over, three times over, they

1337
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: could afford it and never even notice it.

1338
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: But I think you can argue how much of that

1339
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: is going to still pay off the four billion that

1340
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: they spent on buying the UFC. How much is going

1341
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: into the what they bought on WWE how much?

1342
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: I guess the point I'm trying to make is people

1343
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: look at this and say, oh, man, like they're making

1344
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: so much money because it's proof of concept of what

1345
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: the UFC says is good for making money. And on

1346
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: some level of course that's true, right. I mean, they

1347
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: are a successful, well run business at its core. I

1348
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: don't think any of that is necessarily false. But what

1349
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to point out is right. But it gets

1350
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: to a point where one firm in the market can

1351
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: have such control that they actually don't have the same

1352
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: level of competitive pressure to adjust their market, they aren't

1353
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: as responsive to fan demand, and then they can still

1354
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: make shitloads of money hand over fist by virtue of

1355
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: what kind of control the exercise over the industry at large.

1356
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the takeaway. Francis's demands in no way

1357
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: seem like there are they gonna break the bank? Are

1358
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: they gonna ruin it. Maybe they would do nothing other

1359
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: than be a small change in the overall amount that

1360
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: they're looking for. You didn't get it because they've got

1361
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: this insanely hyper competitive worldview that I wonder if that's

1362
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: really what is best for the overall industry at this point.

1363
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: Certainly one can debate.

1364
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: All right, best for the industry lobbying privately against your

1365
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: own fighter's ability to negotiate. That's great.

1366
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: Someone make the case for me that asking state commissions

1367
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: to not report fighter pay is good for the industry.

1368
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: I would love to see it, all right, BC, Let's

1369
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: move on to what actually happened though. Inside the ufc

1370
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: Apex point number three, McKenzie Dern storms back and wins

1371
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: something pretty interesting. I'm gonna say that she showed renewed promise. Honestly,

1372
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: renewed promise is how I would say, beating Angela Hellvy

1373
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: a wide unanimous decision on the scorecards, winning several ten eights,

1374
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: although I think angel Hill did get one round in

1375
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: the end. BC, here's the question for you about Mackenzie Dern.

1376
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: How big of a rebound was this?

1377
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really big. It was really big. I

1378
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: don't want to discount Angela Hill's toughness, because that's the

1379
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: reason why this went five rounds when it looked like

1380
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: she was gonna get finished in the first. To be fair,

1381
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 2: she fought her ass off in what might be, at

1382
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: her age, the last big opportunity to get into that

1383
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: rankings and title picture up at the top of the division.

1384
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 2: But this was domination from Dern. I obviously knew it

1385
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: was coming. I predicted that this was the leap she

1386
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: needed for confidence, reasons, for the reasons of adapting her

1387
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 2: game further. I love, which I'm gonna be interested to

1388
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: hear how you break it down, but I love the

1389
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: aggressiveness standing behind the one two, walking out, really putting

1390
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: punch punches together, still searching for submissions aggressively. Luke. She

1391
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 2: said something after the fact that jumped out through the

1392
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: screen at me, And it's surprising sometimes I remember Anthony

1393
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,479
Speaker 2: Pettis used to have quotes like this deep into his career,

1394
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: where you're like scratching your head. But she's like, you know,

1395
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 2: for the first time, I'm actually listening to my coaches

1396
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: about how to game plan, meaning I don't necessarily need

1397
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: the finish even though I'm going for it. I'm learning

1398
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: how to that all you have to do is win

1399
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: two out of three rounds and you win the fight,

1400
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: or in a five round fight, three out of five.

1401
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: She's actually learning for the first time how to mentally

1402
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: look at those five minutes and say, what do I

1403
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: want to get from it? Outside of just constantly chasing

1404
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: the submission? These are this is the evolution we need

1405
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: to see from her. Was it perfect?

1406
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: No?

1407
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: Do I still think even with Angela's toughness, she should

1408
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: have finished this fight. Yes, But Luke, she's a nine

1409
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: Lives type fighter because she has such plus assets in

1410
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: certain categories like toughness, like the ground game. Obviously, you

1411
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: know at any given point she could try to end

1412
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 2: the fight. But for everything she's going through personally, which

1413
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 2: was very much outfront in this build to this fight,

1414
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: the divorce, to everything, she needed a performance like this.

1415
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 2: She was fighting with emotion, full emotion, almost vengeance, and

1416
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: I think for her, Luke, in a lot of ways,

1417
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 2: it was best case scenario. Maybe going the full twenty

1418
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: five also helps her in the long run further round

1419
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 2: out her game into the best possible championship form she

1420
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: could be. Is she there yet?

1421
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: No?

1422
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: But could she be anybody on any given night. Yeah,

1423
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: I mean she's calling for Rosnami unis next, Luke. I'm

1424
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: not gonna like her chances on betting odds wise, but

1425
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 2: I like her confidence, which is constantly evolving along with

1426
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: her striking. It's coming together, Luke. It's not perfect, but

1427
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: it's coming together. And this had the chance to be

1428
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: a showcase fight, and I think ultimately it was.

1429
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in many ways this was a

1430
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: really great showing for her and she should be very

1431
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: happy with a lot of it. I had a slightly

1432
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: different view than everyone else, but I want to be

1433
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: clear that I'm mostly in agreement that this was a

1434
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: big rebound for her. I mean, I mean, here's where

1435
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: it was definitely a big rebound, big rebound. Excuse me,

1436
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: I think spiritually for her. I mean I that's one

1437
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: of the wrong word maybe, but like just to feel good,

1438
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: get back strong, dominant, win where you look great, you'll

1439
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: win wide on the judges scorecards, you go the distance.

1440
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: She didn't make any had aclismic mistake, right, didn't get

1441
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: the finish, you know, but like there's so many positive things.

1442
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: So I want to be clear that, like I agree

1443
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: with that overall narrative, she showed clear improvement, and I'd

1444
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: like to identify specifically where I thought she showed very

1445
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: good improvement. Number one, Obviously, she showed great improvement with

1446
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: just urgency right being striking first, getting after it, disrupting

1447
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: Angela Hill's base, not giving her a room to move

1448
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: and score nearly as much. There was obvious a lot

1449
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 1: of clinching along the fence line, but you know, pushing

1450
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: into Angela Hill, getting her to back up, and again

1451
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: just fighting with significantly more intensity. This clearly paid dividends. Also,

1452
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: if you just look at her output in this fight BC,

1453
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: she was a five round contest. She threw three hundred

1454
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: and forty total strikes, two hundred of ten were significant atempts,

1455
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: landing one hundred and twenty six. This is the most

1456
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: amount of volume she's ever thrown in any of her

1457
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: five round fights by a fairly wide margin. She's really

1458
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: never been that active before, so it kind of tells

1459
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: you purpose direction, urgency volume, it was there. I thought

1460
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: some of her ground and pound positions were not altogether improved,

1461
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: but definitely much better there right, striking for much more

1462
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: controlled positions where you have the ability to really leverage

1463
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: power and then go after it. These were some really

1464
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: key areas of improvement. However, this is the only point

1465
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to make, and I do think this is

1466
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: not in any way being unfair. I think this is

1467
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: actually what the tape exactly shows. People keep trying to say, Oh,

1468
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,440
Speaker 1: if she had wrestling, this would solve all of her problems.

1469
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: No it would not. No, it would not. That is

1470
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: not true. I have identified on the actual ground some

1471
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: significant problems with some of the strategy, not her skill level,

1472
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: but her strategy and tactics that she was employing that

1473
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: I think have really set her back on the feet

1474
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: as well. Here was another big problem, just marching head up,

1475
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: no movement, no bringing the hands back at all, doing

1476
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: this dide. You do that against Jessica Androge or someone

1477
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: else at the top of that division, and they're going

1478
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: to set you on fire. Please believe me, you will

1479
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: not be able to get away with that with the

1480
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: better women in this division. Yeah, takedown still appear to

1481
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: be an issue. There's still some I think some ground

1482
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: positioning issues. My point being is one fight is not

1483
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 1: going to fix all of the problems that we're holding

1484
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: her back in terms of what one fight can do

1485
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: getting back. She got a lot out of it, maybe

1486
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: the most you honestly could. It's going to take a

1487
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: few more to fully get back what I think has

1488
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,759
Speaker 1: been lost or has at least gone on the wrong direction.

1489
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: So BC, how big of a rebound is it huge?

1490
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: Majorly restores confidence, clear, demonstrable ways you can identify that

1491
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: she got better. All I'm arguing is there's enough other

1492
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: things that still haven't been addressed. She just needs more

1493
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: time to get to that place. Don't think that's unfair,

1494
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: you know.

1495
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: I do wonder if there will always be technical holes

1496
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 2: in her game, like are you always going to be

1497
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: able to bring up the statistics that show she's not

1498
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 2: as necessarily dangerous on the ground or on defensive takedowns

1499
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 2: than you think. But as long as the aggression is

1500
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: not only there but dialed up as it was on Saturday,

1501
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 2: I wonder if she's one of those rare ones who

1502
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 2: can overcome that or bypass that. And what I mean,

1503
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: Luke is if we didn't see what you mentioned the

1504
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: just getting after it and being more aggressive on the ground,

1505
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 2: seeking ground and pound finishes, I would have more questions

1506
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: about can she get to the tidal level than will

1507
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 2: she be a threat. She might just be somebody at

1508
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: the end of the day who's the aggression mixed with

1509
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: everything else she has is that calling card? Because Luke

1510
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 2: against somebody like Rose, let's say that's a five round

1511
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 2: main event. I mean, from a technical standpoint on the feat,

1512
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 2: she's gonna get picked apart. She gonna absolutely get picked

1513
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: apart and have trap set for her. But can't she

1514
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: overcome that with explosion to take you down and to

1515
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 2: put the threat on of the submission. And look, she

1516
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: does have a big right hand. And look, if she

1517
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: didn't have a chin, this style wouldn't last. She wouldn't

1518
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 2: be able to be so technically flawed on her feet

1519
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: because people would be lighting her up. I get your

1520
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 2: point that the elites are gonna have a much better

1521
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: There is a gap certainly between the elite strawweights and

1522
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: everybody else from the standpoint of punching power and the

1523
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: ability to put it together with technique and put you

1524
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: in trouble. But Dern does have a big chin. She

1525
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 2: seems to have a big hunger and a motor to

1526
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,520
Speaker 2: go after it. As long as she stays this aggressive

1527
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: and is working on her game. She may end up

1528
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: getting there, Luke, whether and I mean when I say

1529
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: nine lives, what I mean is I think she can

1530
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: endure more defeats in key moments where where you expect

1531
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: her to break through because a lot of the intangibles

1532
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: are there. If they make this Rose fight, do you

1533
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: think it's must win, because I still think it's not

1534
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: as long as she can. I mean, she's only thirty, Luke,

1535
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: you expect that now is the time you gotta put

1536
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: wins together and get to the title shot. But if

1537
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 2: she fights Rose, that's almost the equivalent of a title

1538
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 2: shot in my eyes. The eggs she laid against Carlo

1539
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: and the rematch notwithstanding. If she wins this, this is huge.

1540
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: But I don't even think at this point it's a

1541
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: death sentence if she does it. It's more about the

1542
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 2: growth and now getting a chance against a super Elie,

1543
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 2: which would be Roseen. Sorry, Angela Hill wasn't to find

1544
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 2: out exactly what is a non negotiable change that needs

1545
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 2: to be there. There's still more growth coming.

1546
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: Look, it's really I think there's Honestly, here's the good news.

1547
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: I think if you're a Mackenzie Dern fan, I think

1548
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: there's still significant growth potential based I mean, listen to the

1549
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: cards on the table. I thought we were gonna get

1550
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: a regression. I thought Mackenzie durn was good enough to

1551
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: beat Angela Hill, and clearly she was. But I thought

1552
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: that the divorce and the change of camps and everything

1553
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: else was gonna come. Maybe these can be in people's

1554
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: lives traumatic events, and BC and I have talked about it.

1555
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: Some athletes take trauma and then rise to the occasion,

1556
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 1: and some it really ruins and you can't judge them.

1557
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: Athletes are gonna be either way. In this particular case,

1558
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: it clearly made her even better. She really got turned

1559
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: a corner here, and all I'm pointing out is she

1560
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: has other corners that can be turned, and if she

1561
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 1: tightens up some of those things, like BC, she's still

1562
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: going for head and arm throws. I mean, are head

1563
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,679
Speaker 1: throws like hip tosses, Like that's just not gonna That's

1564
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: not gonna win you a title. It doesn't matter how

1565
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: good your ground game is, especially if Angela Hill, while

1566
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: getting beat up pretty substantially, can avoid submission for five rounds,

1567
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: Like that's just not enough. Coming in like this at

1568
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 1: the championship level is gonna get you decapitated. You can,

1569
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: it's just not enough. So my point being is, even

1570
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: if she loses to Rose here, if they make the

1571
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: fight bec if she shows improvement based off or I

1572
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: should say, from the Hill to the Rose fight, and

1573
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: you can be like, Okay, this is still moving the

1574
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: right direction to me. It doesn't really hurt her stock

1575
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: at all. You're pointing out thirty years old, still has

1576
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: more time. All I want to see is can she

1577
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: maximize what I would consider to still be pretty incredible potential.

1578
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: That's all that matters here, just taking the next step forward.

1579
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 2: And don't forget Rose was at a similar point in

1580
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 2: UFC two one where it was like, Okay, finally she's gonna,

1581
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: you know, get into the title shots to try to

1582
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 2: win back after losing the inaugural one. And she lost

1583
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 2: this split decision to Carolina in Atlanta that night, but

1584
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: and left a little bit on the table, but grew

1585
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 2: from that, came out of that fight and put together

1586
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 2: a hell of a wind streak. So it's still possible

1587
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 2: for her winner lose here. But Luke, that divorce wasn't easy,

1588
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: and I I think once money got involved, the stress

1589
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 2: wiled up, but it did seem to spur Mackenzie on

1590
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: to put all of that aggression into place, and it

1591
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: wasn't an opponent who could expose her technically who was

1592
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: overwhelmed by the pressure. In the end, so hey, look

1593
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: survive in the vance. UFC got what they wanted with

1594
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: her in the main event, a fun fight, but a

1595
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: clear win.

1596
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: Let's move forward, Yeah, no doubt about it. She she

1597
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: did exactly what I think the promotion wanted her to do.

1598
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: She looked great. My only thing is let's just see

1599
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: what else she can do as time moves forward. Any

1600
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: comment on at thirty eight where Hill goes from here?

1601
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: I think this was an attempt to see what was

1602
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: left of what she could do. Yeah, unfortunately not just

1603
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: the level.

1604
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 2: Look, she still can be a certain level in this

1605
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: division and put together win streaks, but I don't think

1606
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 2: she has had the firepower to get over the hump

1607
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: to truly get to that elite level.

1608
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: That was the problem. She couldn't really do much to

1609
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: Dern right, like, she couldn't really hit hard or physically

1610
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: control or there's just did she didn't quite Like yan

1611
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: Cho Nan has volume striking and there's much better timing

1612
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: about it or whatever, big power and just gone draw

1613
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: even jeohng Wi Lee to an extent, she just didn't

1614
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: seem to have that ace in the hole that didn't

1615
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: seem to be there for her. Okay, BC, how about this.

1616
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: Anthony Hernandez is starting to look like a problem in

1617
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: the middleweight division. He absolutely had a bit of a

1618
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: roughish start to his fight with Edmund Shabazim but just

1619
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: overwhelms him in the end. BC, are you impressed with

1620
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: his effort and more to the point, it looks to

1621
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: me like Anthony Hernandez has one of the best gas

1622
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,799
Speaker 1: tanks at middleweight and that helps him overcome some technical

1623
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: flaws because his doggedness in pursuit of the fight. Even

1624
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: for guys who are technically very gifted, they just can't

1625
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: keep that pace.

1626
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, this fight was about a lot of the things

1627
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: under the radar about Anthony Hernandez, because to survive that

1628
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 2: first round was not easy. But Luke, I do have

1629
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: questions about how much of this victory came down to

1630
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 2: the issues that are recurring with Edmund Shabazi and you know,

1631
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 2: switching trainers, taking time off, all that hasn't seemed to

1632
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: change this he's an electric first round fighter, but he

1633
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: tends to fall apart due to a faulty gas tank

1634
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 2: immediately after. If he can't get you out of there

1635
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: in the first after dominating you and putting you in

1636
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,799
Speaker 2: some very tough spots, both on the feet and sometimes

1637
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: on the ground, Dude, he's I hate to say, I

1638
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 2: hate to say this, but he's not only becoming he

1639
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 2: may have already become. MMA's a mere Khan. Now. Con

1640
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: certainly had more success at the highest level, but the whole,

1641
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 2: the whole stigma against Con if he didn't follow his

1642
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: boxing career, was one of the best first round fighters

1643
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 2: of all time, and skill for skill and speed and

1644
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 2: explosiveness just can blow a leaven elite guys out of

1645
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 2: the way. Remember the first five rounds he put on

1646
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 2: against Canelo in that weird fight. But he just did

1647
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: not have the chin or the recuperativeness to equal the

1648
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: heart he had. Edmund Schabasian's got heart. He's got an

1649
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 2: electric skill across the board in multi categories, but look,

1650
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 2: he's got a gaping hole in either his gas tank

1651
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 2: or his recouperative ability that once you get past you know,

1652
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 2: the first four to five minutes. It's not just that

1653
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: he's a different fighter. He falls off the cliff and

1654
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 2: I want to give Anthony Hernandez his flowers, and he

1655
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 2: had a great win and we should start talking about

1656
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 2: him more. But the wheels fell off again. Luke about

1657
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: Edmund and we can't blame head movement this time.

1658
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: No we can't. I mean he dode his jab. Looked

1659
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: like he was giving Hernandez serious problems early I thought

1660
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: he was accurate with his punching. He just looked like

1661
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 1: he was much cleaner and crisper of the two. But

1662
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: in mm MMA and BKFC are two of these sports where, yeah,

1663
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: you think that the skills win fights, Like in the end,

1664
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: that's what the champions have. They have tremendous skill. But

1665
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: there are certain levels to it and certain portions of

1666
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 1: the game where guys who have ridiculous gas tanks can

1667
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: very much make up for the limits. Now that the

1668
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 1: technical limits that they might have, that ends up stopping

1669
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: at a certain point, but it didn't end up happening

1670
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: in this one. Dude, Anthony Hernandez, his gas tank is nuts.

1671
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 1: It is crazy, the level of pace he puts on

1672
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: these guys. He forces them to play speed chess when

1673
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: they want to play more normal chess, and they just

1674
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: he essentially produces errors on their part because they can't

1675
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,480
Speaker 1: keep up with the pace of the challenges that he's presenting.

1676
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,719
Speaker 1: He gives them one to compute, and the computational skills

1677
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: fade over time by just how much he's throwing at them.

1678
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: It's really quite overwhelming. But BC, to your point about

1679
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: Edmund Shabazi, and here's when you know that there's a problem.

1680
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like this is the thing that

1681
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: finally tells us that we've known for some time Edmund

1682
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: has had some development issues. Again, another guy who went

1683
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: to the UFC very early, right everyoney, Oh, let's list

1684
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: send a guy who's eighteen years old to the UFC.

1685
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: That wasn't Edmund. I think he was what twenty one

1686
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: when he went to the UFC. But you see my point, like,

1687
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: very very very early, not necessarily the best idea, But

1688
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to say, BC. When the

1689
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: narrative about the fighter is the same after every fight,

1690
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: that's when you know you've got a problem. In other words,

1691
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: like the narrative should be very much a function of

1692
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: what happened in that fight and then it changed just

1693
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: fight to fight a little bit. It becomes new wrinkle here,

1694
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: positive here, or something different here. Maybe some things reveal

1695
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: themselves over time, but with edmun Shavasi and just the

1696
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: same one every time. It's like he got really close

1697
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: and then faded, got really close and then faded, looked

1698
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: good and then faded or looked good in the first

1699
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: round and then one, but there was no question about

1700
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,520
Speaker 1: subsequent rounds after that. It's the same narrative after every contest.

1701
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: Now at twenty five, again, they would be a little

1702
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 1: bit foolish to, you know, throw the baby out with

1703
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 1: the bathwater here that we see. Would you not agree

1704
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: when we're having the exact same conversation about a prospect

1705
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: after every contest, it tells you that they're stuck in

1706
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: the same place.

1707
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's now four losses in five fights

1708
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 2: and pretty much the same narrative at all four. Yes,

1709
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 2: he's only twenty five years old. But when you switch

1710
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 2: camps to try to mix things up and change things,

1711
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 2: and then you're back to the same result. Luke, we

1712
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: have legitimate questions about his fighting future, legitimate right now,

1713
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: we do, Luke. I mean, it's not like when when

1714
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 2: the wheels fell off for like let's say Marlon Reisch.

1715
01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 2: You know, it just kind of became like, man, we

1716
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 2: got to to save him from himself. But he's in

1717
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,480
Speaker 2: his thirties, Like, you know, Shabazi is not getting knocked cold.

1718
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 2: But dude, Like, I don't know how you fix this, Luke,

1719
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 2: how do you fix this?

1720
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't think the UFC is the place for him

1721
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: to be. I don't think you can fix it in

1722
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: the UFC. I think you have to go somewhere else.

1723
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: And you know, listen, I've said it before, like, what's

1724
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: an interesting thing that Belatre has. They took aj McKee

1725
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: from pro debut to champion. You know, Bellatore doesn't have

1726
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: as many high level fighters as the UFC. I've at

1727
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: this point. I mean, there's certainly no debate about that.

1728
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: But what they do have is the capacity to give

1729
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: you fights that are representative of all the different stages,

1730
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: including the World Championship, World Championship stage, and so as

1731
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: a consequence, you can just really get you can. It's

1732
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: just easier to nurture development in Bellator by design than

1733
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: it is in UFC. And Aaron Pico getting a real

1734
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: soft touch there for now quite some time. I think

1735
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 1: some folks are like, Okay, let's see him really tested

1736
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: at this point, which is fair. I think it is

1737
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: time to put some of that laboratory work into practice,

1738
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: and they've tried. I get the whole thing, but you

1739
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: get the idea. He got to go back and get

1740
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: really soft touches. Guys. He was much better than to

1741
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: restore confidence, to work on a game plan, to work

1742
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: on an overall skill set, to just dude, rebuilding is hard,

1743
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: and it takes time, and there's a lot of psychological

1744
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: factors that go into it. I don't think the UFC

1745
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: is the best place for a guy who needs that

1746
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: much retouching. Quite candidly, I think he needs to go

1747
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: someplace where he can really dominate, get his groove back,

1748
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: so to speak, and then make another second charge at

1749
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: It easy for me to say I don't have his

1750
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: bills to pay, but I'm just telling you from a

1751
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: developmental perspective, I think it would work better for him there.

1752
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 2: Would you say the DWCS is creating a microwave system here,

1753
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 2: in which I mean, we've had this type of debate before,

1754
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 2: but we're seeing a lot of guys get rushed into

1755
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 2: big things because they had one spectacular knockout on the

1756
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 2: Dana White Contender Series, when in reality, they're like five

1757
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: fights into their pro career and like you said, haven't

1758
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,879
Speaker 2: been matched against tough styles yet, haven't taken early losses.

1759
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, spoiler alert if we ever talked

1760
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 2: about that McGregor doc at all or not. They focus

1761
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 2: so much in there on just the mindset of Connor

1762
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 2: constantly being able to do just that. Reset himself, accept

1763
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: a loss as part of the journey, take the you know,

1764
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 2: really take the lessons from it, and you know, and

1765
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 2: bleed for it. Not everybody is that, And then you

1766
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: rush them quickly and put a lot of pressure on

1767
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 2: them and bring him in at almost no cost due

1768
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 2: to the Dana White Contender Series financial strategy. It allows

1769
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 2: them to be quickly disposable, Luke, once they start putting

1770
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 2: together these type of losses, and it's it's tough because offensively, man,

1771
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: this guy is a is a juggernaut. For five minutes,

1772
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,719
Speaker 2: he looks fantastic. Dude, he looks great, and he's Armenian. Luke,

1773
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: aren't pitch stink, Yeah.

1774
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Here's what I was gonna say

1775
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 1: though he didn't have just one good knockout on the

1776
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Contender series, Like remember he stopped Brad Tavares. I think

1777
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: inside the first round, that's a big win. It's a

1778
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: really big win. Like Brat Tavarrez is tough to do

1779
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: that too, especially at the time in when she did it,

1780
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: and so even I I think was like, wow, that's

1781
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: pretty impressive, but like it's just something I've always known.

1782
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: Until you have seen that person, no matter what you

1783
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: think of them, until you have seen them stress tested

1784
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 1: in the particular kind of different styles of MMA, or

1785
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: in different kinds of fights where they have to fight

1786
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 1: out of a deficit or takedowns or whatever the situation

1787
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: may be. Until you've really seen that worked over, you

1788
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: simply don't know. And there's been just too much consistent

1789
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: difficulty with Edmond and those portions of the game. I

1790
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: think a hard reset is really in order.

1791
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 2: Before quick question about the UFC in general related to this.

1792
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes right now we have questions about why the match

1793
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 2: making is largely softer than normal, but we have a

1794
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 2: lot of fight night cards. In fact, there's no UFC

1795
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 2: fight card this weekend, And I got to be honest,

1796
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 2: they've trained us to expect one, whether we're going to

1797
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: complain about the quality or not. And it's almost like, oh, crap,

1798
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 2: what am I going to do? They got a week off?

1799
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: But do you feel like because we often see what

1800
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 2: we think are too many Fight Night cards that are

1801
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: weak and they're from the APEX, and you're like, what

1802
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 2: are we doing here? Should we be seeing more Dana

1803
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: White Contender series cards, not on Tuesday nights, but maybe

1804
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: on Saturday filling some of these and instead of just

1805
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: being a microwave to find who's the most aggressive young

1806
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: finisher willing to take a small contract and get their chance,

1807
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 2: could we see that more as a triple A promotion

1808
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 2: for the UFC where you can send people back down

1809
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: and get a couple fights win or lose, you know,

1810
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 2: if they're showing growth in a fight, where you can

1811
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 2: use their name for marketing purposes to still bring people

1812
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: to the broadcast. Right, Oh, instead of getting cut Shabazian's

1813
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: back down in triple A, let's see what he does

1814
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 2: here against this young guy. Would you support that more

1815
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 2: than just throwing them into the next tough, meek grinder

1816
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 2: fight on the next Fight Night card.

1817
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: I would say this, I would not be in favor

1818
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: of that because now the UFC is promoting at the

1819
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: elite level, and then if guys can go back down

1820
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: to Contender Series and kind of stay there as like

1821
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: Triple A, now you you know, I mean I realized

1822
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: by I already having Contender Series that they're already halfway there.

1823
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: But for you for them to then do the second

1824
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: part where guys go back to it from UFC and

1825
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: kind of like hold a space, now they're occupying even

1826
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: more parts of the promotional spectrum. Like, the biggest problem

1827
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 1: that we have is that we have one promotion that

1828
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: has too much control in the industry. I think giving

1829
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: them yet even more, or them electing to take even

1830
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: more in this particular case, just wouldn't really serve our interests.

1831
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm of the belief that you do want to have

1832
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: some dominant promoters in the space, but it's better to

1833
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: have a little bit of parody and a more satellite

1834
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: sort of constellation of promoters. I think you get a

1835
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: lot of different looks and it's better for the fighters

1836
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 1: and frankly the fans long term when there's more competitive

1837
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: juices flowing, so to speak. That to me is like

1838
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: will of the US's going to do yet another part

1839
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 1: of this, like vertically integrated business. I don't know if

1840
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: I like that idea. You know that's just me. But anyway,

1841
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: Anthony Hernandez is going to earn a top fifteen fight

1842
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: with that, and he should. I was extremely impressed with

1843
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: what he was able to do. Okay, last, but not

1844
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 1: least to finish on this card. Very simple. Point number

1845
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: five could be for reasons good, could be for reasons bad.

1846
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: Tell me somebody out. Who's somebody else who stood out

1847
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: on this card?

1848
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 2: Well? Look, shortly on, have you seen this shit? We're

1849
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 2: gonna see big time highlights from buck Lee, Carlos Diego

1850
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 2: Fajita Slava clause. So I won't go there, but I'm

1851
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: gonna be happy to say I got one. Okay, bet wrong.

1852
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 2: How about Krolina Kolevlkeevich at this point in her career,

1853
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: in her late thirties, having survived a fight fight losing

1854
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: streak in which you know, you argue she could have

1855
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: or should have been cut, and to come back and

1856
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 2: now win three in a row. Look, Vanessa Tobopolis not

1857
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 2: a world beater. Toughest nails can pull wins out of

1858
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 2: losses by being dramatic with her jiu jitsu. But Carolina

1859
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 2: was toughest nails behind that jab in that right hand

1860
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 2: and just for you know, fifteen minutes put it on her. Luke.

1861
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 2: I don't really know what this means in terms of

1862
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: her falling back into legitimate contention again, because again, even

1863
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 2: though I love the Strawway division and it's very deep,

1864
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 2: there are levels between who can beat you in the

1865
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: top seven as compared to beyond that. But I got

1866
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: to give her credit. She has not given up. She

1867
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 2: moved her camp permanently to att in South Florida, and

1868
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 2: on this level, these are three gutsy, gritty, hard earned

1869
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 2: wins for a veteran who still got something left in

1870
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 2: the tank. I got to applaudter Luke because I picked

1871
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: against her and I was happy to see her pull.

1872
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: It off, no doubt about it. She looked pretty good

1873
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: now Demopolis did miss wait and looked terrible on the scales,

1874
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: meaning she drained herself big time to get down and

1875
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 1: couldn't get it done. That did play a role. But

1876
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: to your point, I think covil Keevich has recaptured not

1877
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,799
Speaker 1: everything she had once had, but has certainly rescued herself

1878
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: from the depths of difficulty she was mired in for

1879
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: some time, and that's extremely commendable. I'm glad you point

1880
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: that out. BC. It there's a few different directions I

1881
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: could go on this one. Natalia Silva looking just like

1882
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: an absolutely rual de serprise.

1883
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 2: She's becoming a surprise in that division, right.

1884
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: She looked phenomenal in that contest. But I want to

1885
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 1: point out the one that I was kind of curious

1886
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 1: to see how it would go, and it went. I

1887
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: think I went three and two in okay, bet. The

1888
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 1: two I got wrong, I got like really wrong. One

1889
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: was the Hill fight. The other one was Michael Johnson

1890
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: getting killed by Carlos Dico Fijeda, so shouts to him

1891
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: at thirty eight years old. He got a phenomenal win.

1892
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: That's the story of Michael Johnson. Man, it's just a

1893
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 1: it's a coin flip. But the one I want to

1894
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: point out, BC, how about Joaquin Buckley and Andre Filio

1895
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: Jaquemin Buckley going down to one seventy, he just looks

1896
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: so much better in this weight class. He got a

1897
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 1: phenomenal head kick finish. He was I mentioned before he

1898
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: was already physical. He could be physical with those guys

1899
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: at one to eighty five, but I didn't think it

1900
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: was the right way class. This is clearly the right

1901
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 1: way class In BC he called for a rematch with

1902
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: Kevin holland another phenomenal idea. Love this debut for a

1903
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 1: new Mansa.

1904
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did look like a new Mansa in this division.

1905
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 2: He took some bombs from Fiajo and delivered that. So

1906
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 2: I was happy to see that. And Luke similarly on

1907
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 2: this for a guy that won't show up and have

1908
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 2: you seen the shit? But I was happy to see

1909
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 2: Chase Hooper. Likewise, che Quickley also switched weight classes. Yes,

1910
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 2: he walks into a lot of big time strikes still,

1911
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 2: but you're talking about a young fighter, thinks Shabazi, and

1912
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 2: think of another guy who's really young. I'd suffered a loss,

1913
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 2: but he's putting it back together. He broke Nick fior

1914
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 2: I mean he went after him and was so damn aggressive,

1915
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: willing to eat any firepower coming back. Does he have

1916
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,520
Speaker 2: to fix that? Yes, I'd like to see more responsible

1917
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 2: head movement and defense. But from the standpoint of show

1918
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 2: us what you got in a new division, I'm interested

1919
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 2: in seeing more of Chase Cooper because he just tries

1920
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 2: to outwill and work you. And it worked here, Luke,

1921
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: it freaking worked.

1922
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: I think one fifty five at this point is just

1923
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: a much better weight class. He was saying he was

1924
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: making one forty five and I'm not doing a bit

1925
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:42,839
Speaker 1: here eating onions and protein shakes. Basically. Yeah, It's like, dude,

1926
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: that's not fuel I mean, you know, it's just not

1927
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: fueling yourself for success. So if he gets a better

1928
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: situation for himself physically a one fifty five, I think

1929
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a great move for him as well. Okay,

1930
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: b See that's our top five here for today. It's

1931
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: time now for the dogs to ask us questions. It's

1932
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: time for dms from the biggest Yes, indeed, hit the animation.

1933
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: You guys know, the drill Hehaw. We put up requests

1934
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: for questions on various social media channels on Sunday. You

1935
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: fill them up. Here we go. Question number one, BC

1936
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: cole underscore Brown eight five eight worst name ever coming

1937
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: from a casual boxing fan. Is there a similarity to

1938
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: MMA where fans call for corruption robbery when there are

1939
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: simply just an extremely close fight. YESBC, it does seem

1940
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 1: like the ten point must system gets us to a

1941
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: place where you can't have a close fight where one

1942
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: side doesn't feel like it's a robbery, when in fact,

1943
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: close fights you're just going to get unsatisfying results. It's

1944
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 1: just the way the structure works.

1945
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus, remember that quote I just said about Mackenzie

1946
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 2: durn like figuring out like, look, there's a way you

1947
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,919
Speaker 2: want to win at the end of the day, Sometimes

1948
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,759
Speaker 2: winning just means winning more rounds and it doesn't always

1949
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 2: look like what really happened. But again, if you're not

1950
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 2: going to score ten eight rounds, if it wasn't dominant enough,

1951
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 2: you're not going to see that change on the scorecards

1952
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 2: they want to. I mean I mentioned a few fights, Luke,

1953
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 2: is there any MMA fight that jump out to you

1954
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 2: as being maybe the right comparison to Hani Loma where

1955
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, the public, I mean, how about

1956
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 2: the Hudo versus u al Jo? You could have gone

1957
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 2: either way. There's a Hudo felt like Loma coming back

1958
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 2: making that late push. But you know I scored that

1959
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,799
Speaker 2: one for al Jo and I got no problem there if.

1960
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's play. Yeah, there's a million of these

1961
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: you could pick from. On mma like Jones, Dominic Crue

1962
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 1: or Dominic Reyes. You know, like there's just a lot

1963
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: that you have these weird kind of results in. But yes,

1964
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: like there's just no real way to get ari. I mean,

1965
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: this is this is the reality. Like again, you know

1966
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: ten rounds ten and eleven were so strong for Loma.

1967
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,719
Speaker 1: I think also like he left the strongest lasting impression

1968
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: because it happened later. But you know, when they're when

1969
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of difference in offense between them, guys,

1970
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna make it hard for judges. It's just it's

1971
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: just the way it's gonna be. So I also understand

1972
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,600
Speaker 1: understand that as well. Uh b C. What about this

1973
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 1: idea mad man four five, six, seven, six eight again

1974
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: worst name ever? Should combat sports judges and referees get

1975
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 1: an eye test or any physical tests at all when

1976
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: they are over a certain age? Yes? Is the ad?

1977
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 2: Should Grandpa be allowed to keep driving when he's eighty five?

1978
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 2: Or is there a chance he's gonna run through a

1979
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 2: nail salon through the front door one day? Yeah, there's

1980
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 2: that chance, Luke. Maybe, I mean, don't don't they have

1981
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 2: to take tests too? Them old drivers?

1982
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: Luke?

1983
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 2: Don't.

1984
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: They depends on the state, I think, but yes, in general,

1985
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: there are certain you know, requirements for like your cognitive

1986
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: and also just physical reflexes too. I want to point

1987
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: out something I've been talking to a few judges behind

1988
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 1: the scenes who do actually talk to me about like

1989
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: the challenges of the job. And what they've said is, like,

1990
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 1: folks think the things that folks sleep on. Remember, Like

1991
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: almost none of these guys, Like maybe saladiamato is different

1992
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: than this, but like almost none of these guys do

1993
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: judging full time. They've got some other life outside of it.

1994
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: If they're old and they have to travel, or how

1995
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: much other work do they do that night, or how

1996
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: much work do they get routinely to stay sharp, Like,

1997
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: there's all these factors that relate to not just how

1998
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 1: much work you get in rotation, but your cognitive skills,

1999
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: your physical reflexes, your ability to uh see things remember

2000
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 1: them have recall about it to do this quickly, right,

2001
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: There actually is a physical dimension to judging that we

2002
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: don't talk a lot about. We just feel like, oh, well,

2003
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: they're sitting down just looking at something. How much do

2004
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: does that all play a role? But if you mean

2005
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: just think about it even if you were in your twenties,

2006
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: and you were you've been doing this since you were six.

2007
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: If you were under slept for a day, would you

2008
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: want a referee, Like if you had to make an

2009
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 1: MMA debut, would you want your referee to have barely

2010
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:35,560
Speaker 1: slept the night before? Like? Obviously not right. So we

2011
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: have to consider that there is a cognitive physical component

2012
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: and in your prime situation to judging and officiating, that

2013
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 1: needs to be more of the conversation about who can

2014
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: and who can't be doing these effectively.

2015
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 2: It was good to see Steve Mazagati put out there

2016
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 2: by Nevada as the timekeeper for the Haini Lomachenko fight.

2017
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: Though, yeah, we're we're in the old uh, we're in

2018
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: the old Rebok shirt all right? From our next one.

2019
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna read this name because you know

2020
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm four three?

2021
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 2: Are you talking about dookie make poopy stink looks?

2022
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: Say yes, I mean just I mean please just delete

2023
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 1: your Instagram account? All right? What are the three top

2024
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: what excuse me? One of the top three best weight

2025
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: divisions in boxing? Currently? What do you say you see

2026
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: one thirty five one sixt week If we.

2027
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 2: Can include one thirty five, which is cheating. Then that's

2028
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 2: number one with a bullet. But if we're if we don't,

2029
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 2: I think there are four red hot divisions right now.

2030
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 2: That's lightweight, one thirty five, super middleweight, one sixty eight yep,

2031
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 2: and heavyweight. I think you can throw in there one

2032
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 2: because a lot of those lightweights have moved up. I

2033
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 2: mean one forty's got pro Gray, Jose Ramirez, Josh.

2034
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: Can I can I guess the last one?

2035
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia Hainey, I mean you know, I.

2036
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: Guess the last one.

2037
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 2: Well, I think I just gave you one thirty five,

2038
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 2: one sixty eight, heavyweight, and one forty.

2039
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought you were gonna keep those at the

2040
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 1: same one and then add another one. Would you add one eighteen?

2041
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 2: No? I I'd rather have one twenty two with Fulton

2042
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 2: a new a. But then again, Fulton's moving up soon.

2043
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 2: Figure out already moved up to twenty six. Who are

2044
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 2: you talking about at eighteen?

2045
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: Because I guess you're right. I guess I guess you're right,

2046
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 1: So one twenty two would be mean.

2047
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,759
Speaker 2: The other answer is is welter weight because it's always

2048
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 2: But again, hey, Spencer Crawford, are you fighting each other

2049
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 2: this summer. Hey, boots, who are you fighting?

2050
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: You know?

2051
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, hey, you gotta, we gotta, we

2052
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 2: gotta use the pieces on the chessboard to make it work.

2053
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, dude, one thirty five slash one forty right

2054
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 2: now is it's two divisions. But that's that's the money

2055
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 2: maker at the moment. And look, heavyweight, dude, we are

2056
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 2: in lets stuff. Forget, we're actually still in a heavyweight

2057
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 2: renaissance era. For some reason, the best just won't face

2058
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:48,480
Speaker 2: the bet each other this year, which sucks all the horns.

2059
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, I know, but they're also just each guy.

2060
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: But first of all, Andy Ruiz just getting aired out

2061
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: by somebody.

2062
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't want to play that stuff

2063
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 2: because it's really bad. But basically, Andy Ruiz got caught

2064
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 2: cheating apparently, and his and his girl went nuts on him,

2065
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 2: and somebody broke into his Twitter account the other day

2066
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: and posted videos of him.

2067
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,600
Speaker 1: What, Luke, you know what appears to be you know

2068
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:11,560
Speaker 1: what appears.

2069
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 2: To him drinking codine and something else, him taking blood

2070
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 2: transfusions to avoid a drug test like all this stuff,

2071
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:23,839
Speaker 2: And apparently they accused him of heavy prostitution purchasing.

2072
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 1: I listen, let he who's without sin among my friends

2073
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: cast the first sip.

2074
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about that, Connor, Doc Luke, they

2075
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 2: don't talk about side chicks at all. All right, keep

2076
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 2: a call, keep going.

2077
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 1: That's a little bit weird, all right. Be BC number four,

2078
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 1: Childish Gambino asks how will the bantamway division change once

2079
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: Aljo moves up following his fight with O'Malley. Is Morob

2080
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: inevitable or do you think someone like san Haagen has

2081
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: evolved enough to gain the title and hold it? Or

2082
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: will the division see a lot of passing of the

2083
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: belt around until this generation ages out.

2084
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 2: It's a great question, great question. Look, could you see that?

2085
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 2: Could you see a pre John Jones light heavyweight era

2086
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 2: where we have great fighters just beating each other, from

2087
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 2: from Morob to O'Malley to Sanhagan. I don't know if

2088
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,640
Speaker 2: pyotr Yan's ever gonna be there again, Luke, But you

2089
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 2: get the point is that where we're headed here.

2090
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 1: I've ben I tend to think we're gonna get I

2091
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: think al Joe's reign has surprised people in terms of length,

2092
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,799
Speaker 1: and so for that reason, you have to always remember

2093
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: that somebody is never that far away from getting maybe

2094
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: turning a corner, technically getting a couple of semi favorable matchups. Like,

2095
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: there's ways in which this could continue and go. But

2096
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: I would say you're probably gonna get parody. You're probably

2097
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 1: gonna get a little bit of hot potato with that title.

2098
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:41,639
Speaker 1: Morob might have it for a while. Fuck dude, I

2099
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 1: that's a tough one.

2100
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could.

2101
01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: See a case where Morob would be able to have

2102
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,719
Speaker 1: it for a fairly long time. I could also see

2103
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 1: one where he is technically outclassed and it's close, but

2104
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: he just doesn't quite have enough. It's yeah, yeah, it's

2105
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: a great it's a great question for that, and I

2106
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 1: unfortunately do not have a great answer. All Right. You see,

2107
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: last but not least from art Underscore G six '

2108
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: ten is the PFL Smart Cage eligible to post on

2109
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: their Twitter account from it? They're spelled wrong?

2110
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think the AI within the

2111
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 2: smart cage Luke has been tweeting all along?

2112
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 1: Probably No, No, I think there's nothing smart about that cage.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just hey today, just defense.

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01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 2: Aren't you talking to PFL brass today about the smart Age?

2115
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: Yes? I am. I'm going to ask them tell me

2116
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: about what the cage is smart, I would.

2117
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 2: Love I'm not kidding. I expect at least four follow

2118
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 2: up questions related to the intelligence of the cage.

2119
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Speaker 1: Please, Luke, I only have thirty minutes, so I've got

2120
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 1: to protect my time, but I am going to get

2121
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: one in there. At least I can do that. All right,

2122
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: that's it.

2123
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 2: That's it for no more from Peace Daines twenty seven. Hey,

2124
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 2: let's go over to another shitty segment. Look, this is

2125
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 2: where I scour the globe for all the good, the bad,

2126
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 2: the ugly, the high level of the in between of

2127
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 2: viral videos from the world of combat sports and also beyond,

2128
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 2: because that's where the elders get abused. This is called

2129
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 2: have you seen the shit? Oh god, oh god, b

2130
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 2: c's feces, Luke, we always start with the UFC. It

2131
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 2: was another Apex card and you mentioned it. Diego Carlos

2132
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 2: Fajites and our guy Michael Johnson to hell.

2133
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh, accidental renaissance. According to Gribacca, hitman there when he's

2134
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:25,879
Speaker 1: holding the head.

2135
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you see the cross leg on top

2136
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 2: of that, Luke, there's that.

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01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 1: Is I mean, yeah, his toes were curled.

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01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 2: You live by the sword, Luke, You you get KOed

2139
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:36,640
Speaker 2: by the sword. That's what it was. And you know what,

2140
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 2: Johnson had not only eaten big shots early in this fight.

2141
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 2: He was putting it on Fajida at times. And it's over.

2142
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 1: That's why I thought we were gonna get more of that.

2143
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 1: But then Fajeda faked like to the body, then came

2144
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: over the top end. Just let him have it. It's

2145
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 1: good for a thirty eight year old man. I one

2146
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,679
Speaker 1: fifty five due. That's a solid, solid win.

2147
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't forget Johnson did that to Dustin Pourier once,

2148
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 2: lou Wow, it happens, right, hey, Mackenzie Duran is our

2149
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 2: latest in the victory dance here, Luke. This was after

2150
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 2: five rounds against Angela Hill. Your thoughts. We tend to

2151
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:12,839
Speaker 2: play a lot of victory dancing on this portion.

2152
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: Of the show. I definitely feel like, you know, hey,

2153
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 1: is that.

2154
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 2: A shirtless burnt Chrysler over there? Yes?

2155
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: It is? Can we. I was driving my kids to

2156
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: work today. I listened to my local sports station and

2157
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 1: they were advertising whatever, is there a movie with him?

2158
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It's like I don't

2159
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 1: understand why I don't say why I don't say anything

2160
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: about him. Can I be honest about that?

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01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 2: All right?

2162
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: I just don't get it.

2163
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 2: See, I don't know. Comedians are creepy to me in general. Luke,

2164
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've read Rolling Stone lately. I

2165
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:47,559
Speaker 2: mean it's just gross. Let's keep this show moving forward, okay, Luke, Hey,

2166
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 2: Slava clause. Speaking of victory dances, I want you to

2167
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 2: watch the ko of Slava clause here against Mahashate. And

2168
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: how about this dance afterwards, Luke.

2169
01:41:56,200 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: Thomas, Yeah, this dance is just is just this is

2170
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 1: just excellence. I mean, watch this one where he does

2171
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:08,679
Speaker 1: like the decline bench leg kick.

2172
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 2: Whatever that was that he was landing bombs against me?

2173
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 2: Shoutade all night here, Luke. You gotta understand that.

2174
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, against me? Shoud Is that who he was

2175
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:17,639
Speaker 1: fighting there?

2176
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good thing you're not racist.

2178
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 2: Ma shat, so shout it out, hey, Luke. Let's go

2179
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 2: to new Man's highlights. Here's Joaquin Buckley with a hell

2180
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 2: of a high kick. Let's add it to his career reel,

2181
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 2: which is now incredible. Damne, look at the bonus punch.

2182
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 2: Come on, Carrie Hatley step in there.

2183
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 1: Right, dude. Unbelievable shot and you know he just knew it,

2184
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: Carrie Hatley taking the sweet ass time to get in there.

2185
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: As a consequence, old old Fiallo has to eat one more.

2186
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 1: But good god man, that was I was so happy

2187
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 1: to see, not not to see Fiall will get knocked out,

2188
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: but to uh, to see Buckley b at a way

2189
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 1: class that made just much much more sense for him.

2190
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 2: I'm a Buckley guy. Don't forget. He showed up at

2191
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 2: our live show, the three Margarita Show in Vegas that time.

2192
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 2: After the show, unto Luke new Manza, he jumped on

2193
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 2: the mic afterwards and had an interesting call up.

2194
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 4: You got your prows it all over the place, spots

2195
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 4: an athlete from the UFC food Come on, get your

2196
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 4: boy now, mass in the builder.

2197
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 2: I get it. Look, I love his his delivery when

2198
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 2: he's uh, when he's playing the character there.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear?

2200
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 2: He also dropped the N word about a minute before

2201
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 2: that and had had a cover. Had to walk that

2202
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 2: back on the air.

2203
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 1: That was it. Yeah, he was spirited, he was feeling good,

2204
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: but uh, you know the end bombs. They don't love

2205
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,759
Speaker 1: that over at the at the Mickey Mouse Club.

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01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, all right, Luke, let's go to Dana White.

2207
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 2: This is from the post press conference. He was asked

2208
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 2: about the al Jo versus O'Malley fight being announced yet

2209
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 2: all that talk from the Al Joe camp from Ray

2210
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 2: Longo about the fight not actually being signed. Let's hear

2211
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 2: Dana's reaction.

2212
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 4: Joe, it's it's I was in the gym this morning

2213
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 4: working out. I got I got a call that all

2214
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 4: Joe said. You know, I got all from three guesses

2215
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 4: who called me today and said, all Joe sounds like

2216
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 4: he doesn't really want to fight three guesses one hundred

2217
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 4: bucks right now for whoever can guess it?

2218
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 1: Who what?

2219
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm the first man of his word.

2220
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 4: Henry Sujudo calls me and says, this little pussy doesn't

2221
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 4: want to fight. I'll take the fight. I'm throwing my

2222
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 4: hat and right now, let's do it. I'll fight O'Malley.

2223
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:36,240
Speaker 4: Da da da da da da dada. So Hunter is

2224
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 4: my neighbor comes over to my house that what's going on?

2225
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 1: You know?

2226
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:42,600
Speaker 4: And and I think you know, we we got his

2227
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 4: manager on the phone. Stuff like that.

2228
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: It's just.

2229
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 4: All Joe's one of those guys just can't get out

2230
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 4: of his own way, you know. Apparently he's in for

2231
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 4: the fight. Why he said that, Who knows.

2232
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:53,639
Speaker 1: It's just.

2233
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is my life, brother, this is my life.

2234
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 2: But if that's fight, the fight is on, Okay, I

2235
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 2: don't want.

2236
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 4: To The fight is absolutely positively on.

2237
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:08,719
Speaker 2: Look, I thought a fight is on when you get

2238
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 2: signatures from the two fighters. What are we doing here?

2239
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like the reason why he's like, I don't know

2240
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 1: what's going on al Jo's head. Well, according to al

2241
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 1: Joe or whatever that is worth to everyone out there,

2242
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,639
Speaker 1: he has to get another MRI and then that has

2243
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:25,599
Speaker 1: to be cleared before he can consent to the fight.

2244
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: That's why, according to al Joe, he has not signed.

2245
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 1: Like he said was do I want to fight on

2246
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 1: August nineteenth against Johanamalley? Yes, I do, but I have

2247
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,919
Speaker 1: to clear these health protocols before I can feel comfortable

2248
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:41,679
Speaker 1: doing that. I it sounds reasonable to me. I don't

2249
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 1: quite know, but I mean.

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Speaker 2: Al Joe also came out and tweeted, why don't we

2251
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 2: just run it back right away? On fight? You know

2252
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:51,600
Speaker 2: ifw in July and then and then O'Malley responded on Twitter. No,

2253
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 2: you know August is the date, let's do it there.

2254
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 2: But again, you announce all these big fights without these

2255
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 2: being full, so it's like the constant like I'm going

2256
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 2: to go public that a fight is official even though

2257
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:05,879
Speaker 2: it's really not, and then I'm going to shame whoever

2258
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,879
Speaker 2: is holding it up, even if they have legitimate medical

2259
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 2: reasons here, or even if they I mean, like the

2260
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:14,519
Speaker 2: whole point is like, stop doing this this false, fake news,

2261
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:17,600
Speaker 2: public bullying. Make sure the fights are fully sealed for

2262
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 2: all reasons. Like are these guys in line for a

2263
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,559
Speaker 2: negotiation every fight? Yes? Right, Like that's how it works, right, Luke.

2264
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:25,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you signed a contract for x

2265
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 2: amount of fights per money, but like.

2266
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: They cannot make you fight. They cannot make you.

2267
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 2: Fight sotales that need to be negotiated. So enough of

2268
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 2: this like public clowning and drowning. But hey, how about

2269
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 2: that media member getting a hundred bucks?

2270
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: Luke? Yeah, how do you feel about that? There were

2271
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 1: some controversy raised about that over the weekend.

2272
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, who ended up outing themselves at it? Was it

2273
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 2: a photographer, Luke?

2274
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 1: It was Amy from fan sided I forget her last name?

2275
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 2: Caplin?

2276
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,719
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that's right, Okay. I wanted to make who

2277
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:56,000
Speaker 1: is a very nice and very wonderful, hardworking lady. I

2278
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 1: disagree with taking the hundred bucks though. I don't think

2279
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 1: that's I don't think it's the end of the world.

2280
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: I really don't. But the optics not great, you.

2281
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, collecting pet checks from UFC.

2282
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's not even that exactly. It's just, you know,

2283
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:17,640
Speaker 1: there's already skepticism about the uh the sort of the

2284
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: in person press about how much they pressed in it,

2285
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 1: which I don't think those criticisms are altogether unfair. And

2286
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 1: then you know, sort of accepting it's a jokey, lighthearted gift,

2287
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 1: but technically it's a gift anyway. It doesn't really matter.

2288
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it changes what what you It's not

2289
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: that big a deal.

2290
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, I'll give it to the fighters, Luke,

2291
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 2: That's what I'll do, all right, Hanie's a lot of

2292
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 2: time from Vegas, Luke. Let's not forget what happened Friday.

2293
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 2: I don't never got your take on this. This was

2294
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 2: the way in the shove from hell from Hani.

2295
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 1: Dude.

2296
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 2: Here's what I do want to say. Whether you thought

2297
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,200
Speaker 2: Hani won or lost the fight. I like this move.

2298
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 2: Is it a dirty move, is it aggressive? It's all

2299
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:57,800
Speaker 2: those things. But a lot of people automatically said, oh,

2300
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 2: he's scared, that's why he did that. No, dude, trying

2301
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 2: to establish at twenty four that it's his time, this

2302
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 2: is his weight class, this is his stage, all that stuff. Dude,

2303
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 2: this is alpha shit right. Why are we killing Haney

2304
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 2: for this?

2305
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 1: He's selling pay per views too. The only thing that

2306
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 1: was interesting was, remember this is the this is the

2307
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 1: state I believe where Jeremy Stevens pushed Jaikar close at

2308
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,759
Speaker 1: the weigh ends and then he could no longer compete.

2309
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 1: So they made Hany go through another medical ex excuse me,

2310
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 1: they made Loma I apologize go through another medical evaluation

2311
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 1: in order to be cleared for this contest, which is unusual,

2312
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:34,560
Speaker 1: but I suppose necessary.

2313
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 2: Good to see Nevada having standards. Luke, there you go,

2314
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:39,479
Speaker 2: all right right, this was your pick of the week.

2315
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 2: Credit top ranks. Mikey Williams Chacker Stevenson got in the ring.

2316
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 2: Of course after the fight in him and Devin Haney

2317
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,680
Speaker 2: shared a couple words, But this picture says it all.

2318
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:52,600
Speaker 2: Luke Shakur is lurking like Omar and West Baltimore in

2319
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 2: this division.

2320
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, dude, shirkers common That is a hell of

2321
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: a photo. Man, That is a hell of a photo.

2322
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,120
Speaker 2: E last come in Yeah, hell yeah, Shakur is on

2323
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 2: the way. We're not gonna play Loma crying. We saw

2324
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 2: that earlier, but it did show the passion Luke. Let's

2325
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 2: go to the undercard from top rank Junko Nakatani sent

2326
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 2: Andrew Maloney of the Australian Maloney Twins two. I mean,

2327
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 2: is there a sub basement of hell, Luke? We found

2328
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 2: it right there. Two perforated ear drums. Yeah, is the

2329
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 2: medical report on a leader, an early clubhouse leader of

2330
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 2: Ko of the Air here.

2331
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 1: Dude, he burst both of his fucking ear drums. I mean,

2332
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: damn that is dude. What did they put his head

2333
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: next to a you know, supersonic jet or something like?

2334
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 1: How does that happen? Like that is an insane amount

2335
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 1: of punching power and he was taking abuse before that,

2336
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 1: so who knows exactly where all that went down. But

2337
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 1: that's one of the sickest shots you'll dude, you don't.

2338
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 1: You just don't see boxers get hit that clean. Very

2339
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:58,799
Speaker 1: often and he got.

2340
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,200
Speaker 2: Well, it looks like it looked like last year's knockout

2341
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 2: of the Year when Oscar Valdez stopped with one punch. Luke,

2342
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 2: who did burch out Miguel burchellt just walked right into it,

2343
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:12,640
Speaker 2: almost like Pacchio versus Marcus four where he's kind of

2344
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 2: walked right into the full blunt of it. But damn

2345
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 2: hey elsewhere in boxing, Luke, we had a little kerfuffle

2346
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 2: ringside for his own. Here here's kell Brook, who I

2347
01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 2: think is retired, mixing it up with connor Ben, who

2348
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 2: gets a lot of into a lot of these type

2349
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 2: of deals. Also gets into this with the drug testers, Luke,

2350
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:34,799
Speaker 2: but watch out for this action in a second.

2351
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 1: Well they face the face. Oh, there we go, Here.

2352
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:42,719
Speaker 2: We go, there we go. This this getting you excited

2353
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:45,520
Speaker 2: for a future fighter? Can we let kel stay retired.

2354
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 1: And maybe let's leave kell Brook alone.

2355
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 2: Maybe chase that tequila white light?

2356
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 1: Then, Luke, connor Ben is trying to get I mean,

2357
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 1: after you know what happened with the drug testing and

2358
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 1: then he claims he's been exonerated. But you know, after

2359
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 1: all of that, he he's in need of an opponent.

2360
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: He's in need of a big fight. I think he's

2361
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: trying to get whatever he can.

2362
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 2: Look, you know, fat heavyweights always show up on this show.

2363
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 2: Right on this segment, let's go to the Celtic heavyweight

2364
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 2: title fight. Here's Thomas Cardy sending Jack McFarlane to uh wow,

2365
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 2: to the to the bottom. What do you think about

2366
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 2: these fat tattooed whites, Luke.

2367
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 1: These are my people.

2368
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is your new Celtic heavyweight champion. There you go.

2369
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, let's go to the son of a legend, Luke.

2370
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 2: Emilianio Emiliano, excuse me. Vargas, one of Francisco Fernando Vargas

2371
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 2: is excuse me fighting kids there in Las Vegas. He

2372
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,600
Speaker 2: improved a five and oh with four KOs. But he

2373
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 2: looked a lot like the old man with the walkout

2374
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:48,799
Speaker 2: here checking this out with the bullets around his chest, right.

2375
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 1: The rounds they're not bullets.

2376
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, looking like a young Fernando Vargas. Hiss pops

2377
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 2: there and then Luke in the ring, like I said,

2378
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 2: improved to five and oh, just nineteen years old. Here's

2379
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 2: his body shot. Ko. I'm liking so far.

2380
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: That was a good shot. Wow. Oh he split the

2381
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 1: mouthpiece out. No, less. Yeah, he's done zo.

2382
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah that ain't Ryan Garcia right there, Luke, that is

2383
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 2: a more that is wow. Wow, yes, all right Polish

2384
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:23,719
Speaker 2: Mma time, Luke. Anything can happen. Anything can happen, including

2385
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 2: a stabbing. Let's see how this foul occurred. Oh wow,

2386
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:35,439
Speaker 2: oh god, dude, that.

2387
01:52:35,479 --> 01:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Should just make that legal. I mean it's in Poland.

2388
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 1: Just you know, what are we doing?

2389
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 2: Somebody jumps at you, you can punch him in the

2390
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 2: balls as hard as you want.

2391
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:44,720
Speaker 1: That's the dude. Why is someone send this to me

2392
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: to not this not this clip? But like, dude, is

2393
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 1: it me or are there more people fighting at face

2394
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 1: offs in Russia than any other ever before?

2395
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 2: It's great, it's so great, Luke, it is really, it's

2396
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 2: they should just.

2397
01:52:57,080 --> 01:53:00,240
Speaker 1: Have female swear to god, the knockout game is not

2398
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 1: a real thing. Accept at Russian press conferences and then

2399
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 1: everyone's playing the knockout game.

2400
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 2: It's his a lifestyle. Hey, real recognized reel again, Let's

2401
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 2: go to the private jet. How about Alexander Volkanowski and

2402
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 2: Western Conference playoffs star Jamal Murray of the Denver Nuggets

2403
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 2: just just hanging out in high class situations.

2404
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 1: I've never taken a private jets. That's on the bucket list.

2405
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,879
Speaker 2: All right. What do you think they talked about the whole.

2406
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 1: Time Morning Combat?

2407
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they did. Jamal Murray probably watches it. Do Look, seriously,

2408
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,600
Speaker 2: we do have some incredible famous friends and you know,

2409
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 2: shout out to ww's bigie who watches our show. Love

2410
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:41,639
Speaker 2: that man. Do you think there are like now Joe Burrow,

2411
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 2: for example, follows us on Instagram, but we weren't sure

2412
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:46,720
Speaker 2: if he formerly followed shob and we got him in

2413
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 2: the transaction. Do you think there's a chance that there's

2414
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 2: somebody like uber famous that follows us but has not

2415
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:56,600
Speaker 2: outed themselves. Right now, they're thinking, do I DM that

2416
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 2: dirthole BC or not?

2417
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 1: You know, I knew he told me to face, but

2418
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 1: I knew Lorenzo for Tito watched uh the MMA beat

2419
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 1: when we.

2420
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 2: Were on the Aerial Guy.

2421
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So I don't know. I you know, there

2422
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,640
Speaker 1: is no more NIMA beat, So I don't know, you

2423
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 1: know what else he watches, but for a time that

2424
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 1: was a real thing.

2425
01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 2: Maybe he suck watches us. I mean, the guy loves

2426
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 2: the ju shoots Luke that suck. He doesn't watch US.

2427
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:26,839
Speaker 2: Luke's know, Okay, all right, we don't care. Reel also

2428
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 2: recognized Real a week ago. Backstage at the UFC, they

2429
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 2: had a dance off, Luke. It was Johnson Almeida versus

2430
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 2: Johnny Walker.

2431
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 1: Oh guys, let me see, is he gonna gyrate and

2432
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: cavort here?

2433
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:42,919
Speaker 2: And then they made love to every woman on the property.

2434
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 1: Luke.

2435
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 2: Yes, they did sweet love together, sweet the sweetest kind.

2436
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah. Yeah, dude, dude, Johnny Walker. I mean, it

2437
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's like Johnny, We're gonna do the salsa

2438
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 1: you could even do. Like, dude, it's like Johnny, Johnny,

2439
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:01,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna do Viennese waltzing. Right, we're gonna do traditional

2440
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:07,000
Speaker 1: old school Austrian fucking waltzing. He's still gonna go in there, fucking.

2441
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. That man just loves to bang to me. Wow, Yes, indeed, okay,

2442
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 2: uh Luke. I don't know where you shop for groceries,

2443
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 2: but we, honey, we need to be shopping here. Let's

2444
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 2: check out this store, Luke.

2445
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,520
Speaker 1: Ring Meat Service. Yeah, I need one of those in

2446
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 1: my office.

2447
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:27,600
Speaker 2: Yes please, yes, yes, ix yes please all right.

2448
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 1: Luke.

2449
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 2: Uh hey, you've been known to have some stealth mode

2450
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,280
Speaker 2: farts that just linger Luke, like.

2451
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 1: The no, mine aren't really stealthy. Mine are more broadly announced.

2452
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 2: Well, this was both. Let's go to the videotape.

2453
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 1: Man. You might want to turn that water off.

2454
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:02,160
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Luke, many of innocent bystander have caught strays in

2455
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 2: our Jersey City studio when you went into stealth mode.

2456
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 1: I have to tell you that nothing in this world

2457
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 1: makes makes me happier than you know, either blue collar

2458
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 1: or middle class ingenuity. And I think that was a

2459
01:56:13,960 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 1: great example of it.

2460
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Luke. You know in in New Britain, Connecticut,

2461
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 2: they have a laundromat that's also a bar. But then

2462
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:23,240
Speaker 2: people were getting into fights when they were waiting for

2463
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 2: their you know, tumbler cycle to finish. I like creating

2464
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 2: things and mixing them together. How about an amateur wrestling

2465
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,160
Speaker 2: match that is also a place where you can get

2466
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 2: your oil changed at the same time.

2467
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that's a little bit too much pulling

2468
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 1: for me.

2469
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 2: That's Look he's in that man's a noose. Look at that.

2470
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 1: So what he's really trying to do is grip the

2471
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 1: back end of his tailbone. Well, he got the back.

2472
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 2: End, he got the grundle, he got the full grundle.

2473
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the problem is he got my man got

2474
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:54,160
Speaker 1: He was like, you know what, I need all the

2475
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 1: groceries back there I need. Yeah, just I need all

2476
01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 1: that Newtella and the goodness that comes with it.

2477
01:57:00,520 --> 01:57:03,480
Speaker 2: Wow, I can get my oil changed and my salad tossed.

2478
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:04,080
Speaker 1: All right?

2479
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,680
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, there we go. Shout out to that. Hey, Luke,

2480
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:11,000
Speaker 2: speaking of wrestling, there's some great pro wrestling finishing moves.

2481
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 2: Normally you don't like this art. What do you think

2482
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:14,000
Speaker 2: of this move?

2483
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that actually made me laugh. That

2484
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:35,560
Speaker 1: legitimately made me and I thought what he was gonna

2485
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 1: do was hit the guy and then go hit the line. Yeah,

2486
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 1: he just dragged my man's face up and that you

2487
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 1: do have this coke bitch.

2488
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's called the bump. I think that's what that

2489
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 2: move is called. Luke. Wow, Hey, you know what it's

2490
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 2: done for elder abuse.

2491
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 1: Let's hit it.

2492
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:56,040
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time it's shut for some elder abuse. All right, yes, yes,

2493
01:57:57,760 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 2: hey grandma.

2494
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 1: Why don't you get on that unstable heifer. Yeah, there

2495
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,480
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, just collapse that shit backyard wrestling. Get

2496
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:10,840
Speaker 1: two thousand pounds. Oh, I mean, just you know these people, dude.

2497
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,160
Speaker 1: You know, you know how I realized how like terribly

2498
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:17,400
Speaker 1: out of shape most people are because I ride Amtrak.

2499
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 1: And this is why Amtrak is the most important, like

2500
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:22,640
Speaker 1: like it tells you more about what's happening human and

2501
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:26,000
Speaker 1: anything else, because BC, if I have to go ride

2502
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 1: the bus, everyone throws their luggage where underneath the bus? Right.

2503
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 1: If you go on an airplane, you know you put

2504
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 1: your if you're checking luggage, that's the heaviest stuff. You

2505
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:36,640
Speaker 1: just give that to the luggage people and then they

2506
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 1: handle it you pick it back up. On Amtrak, you

2507
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 1: have to put your luggage over your head. Dude. Nothing

2508
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:47,520
Speaker 1: will make you realize how frail humanity is when you

2509
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:52,080
Speaker 1: realize how few people mails included, can actually put their

2510
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 1: luggage over their head. Shocking.

2511
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, our next old male didn't ride a train.

2512
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,680
Speaker 2: He did ride a BMX bike. Let's see how it ended.

2513
01:58:59,720 --> 01:59:02,640
Speaker 2: Look yeah, yeah.

2514
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 1: Why don't you keep not riding the helmet? Motherfucker? How

2515
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:07,560
Speaker 1: was that? How was that hot yoga session? Bitch?

2516
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 2: Oh? Hey, Luke, you know I did, says.

2517
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:14,080
Speaker 1: My favorite is when he falls backwards again, like he

2518
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 1: just slumps back like like he's a like he's an

2519
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:20,960
Speaker 1: extra and saving Private Ryan when he just flumps back

2520
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,080
Speaker 1: to the to the to the earth. Yeah, bitch right.

2521
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 2: You know I said the Zuck always gave me vibes

2522
01:59:26,840 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 2: of the Fox Catcher, Luke, with the old guy entering

2523
01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:32,440
Speaker 2: wrestling tournaments and everybody letting him win. They didn't let

2524
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 2: this old guy win. Let's go to the amateur mat.

2525
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 2: No one's getting the oil changed. But watch the guy

2526
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 2: in the red Luke, he's old.

2527
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ. They did some they did some kind

2528
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 1: of open tournament, and it's like, this guy's got to wrestle.

2529
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 1: His daughter's like grandfather, you know, taking Oh, oh, what

2530
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:53,560
Speaker 1: the do He's just gonna turn him. Yeah, he's gonna

2531
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:55,880
Speaker 1: he leg laces him and then just tech falls him.

2532
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah that's and he heard.

2533
01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:03,760
Speaker 2: His Somebody get mister DuPont off the mat.

2534
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:05,960
Speaker 1: Please, Like, dude, if you have to wear a life

2535
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:09,400
Speaker 1: alert bracelet when you wrestle, yeah, your time. Time to

2536
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:10,440
Speaker 1: leave the shoes on the mat.

2537
02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:13,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the wedding reception. Old people love,

2538
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:16,040
Speaker 2: they love, you know, they love dancing.

2539
02:00:16,120 --> 02:00:19,280
Speaker 1: Luke. This guy all let's let's give this on that

2540
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 1: on that on her head. Yeah, carry.

2541
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, finally that bitch has her flowers, Luke.

2542
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, here we go. We gave you your flowers.

2543
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:27,040
Speaker 1: If you were deonta start kissing it.

2544
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:30,080
Speaker 2: Hey, let's pick her up, old man.

2545
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,320
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, this is a great idea. Yea, let's just

2546
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:33,880
Speaker 1: pick her up. Yeah, you're not who you used to

2547
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 1: be there. Yeah, just.

2548
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 2: Belly the back suplex.

2549
02:00:40,680 --> 02:00:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like, dude, though, I don't know,

2550
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Was that a stone cold stunner. I'm

2551
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:46,120
Speaker 1: not up on my pro wrestling terms, but it didn't

2552
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 1: go well.

2553
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 2: All right, I'll be careful around a horse, Luke, especially

2554
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:52,720
Speaker 2: if you're an elder. All right. Luckily though, this man

2555
02:00:52,760 --> 02:00:55,080
Speaker 2: will not be having kids anyway.

2556
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:57,440
Speaker 1: Any horse. Like, get the fuck up off me, bitch.

2557
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 2: Nice, nice year. You're a pin banana hammock. You're wearing, sir,

2558
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:03,320
Speaker 2: But get these guys.

2559
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:05,400
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm the horse whisperer, not bitch.

2560
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:06,520
Speaker 1: You're the horse victim.

2561
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:09,280
Speaker 2: Oh, we got one more old person for you. Look,

2562
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:12,240
Speaker 2: there's time. I'm on a scooter. All right, this is

2563
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:16,000
Speaker 2: what you asked for. Okay, yeah, this is great.

2564
02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:20,919
Speaker 1: Oh no, just oh, just riding to the drink just

2565
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 1: just just just like there's no dude, I gotta tell you, man,

2566
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:26,080
Speaker 1: the developing world. I'm not sure where this comes from.

2567
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 1: What you realize is these like little small scooters are

2568
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 1: way more common all over the world than they are here,

2569
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:35,920
Speaker 1: way more common. And dude, construction projects, like you know,

2570
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,520
Speaker 1: things are just constantly in development, which is true here,

2571
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:41,360
Speaker 1: but like you take for granted, Oh they put cones here,

2572
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:44,720
Speaker 1: who would stop somebody? Well, it's not a foolproof system,

2573
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:46,880
Speaker 1: but it's better than this one where they just leave

2574
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:50,280
Speaker 1: shit open on the side of the road. And this

2575
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 1: lady just you.

2576
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:53,360
Speaker 2: Know dies there natural selection.

2577
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:57,240
Speaker 1: That's Darwin Darwin Awards for the where do we go.

2578
02:01:57,200 --> 02:01:58,880
Speaker 2: From here on? Have you seen this ship? How about

2579
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,400
Speaker 2: people getting really high? Luke, let's do that all right?

2580
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:03,480
Speaker 1: Into this, Lucy, this is going to be me right

2581
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:05,920
Speaker 1: after the show. Dude, I have been sent this clip.

2582
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:09,280
Speaker 2: This is called two girls, one tube, Luke. That's what

2583
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 2: this is called.

2584
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:15,320
Speaker 1: No, this is called Luke's final passage into the next world. Like,

2585
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:17,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to cremate me. But if you guys

2586
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 1: could get high off my ashes while I get high

2587
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:23,800
Speaker 1: and suffocate off this, yes, I'd be extremely happy about that.

2588
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:26,000
Speaker 2: How high do you get in that? How high are they?

2589
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:26,240
Speaker 1: Luke?

2590
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:28,360
Speaker 2: I mean they may have died, right they probably they're dead.

2591
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:30,640
Speaker 1: In the movie stripes, when they ask them, are you

2592
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:33,680
Speaker 1: guys homosexual? They give a very important answer to that question,

2593
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:36,040
Speaker 1: which I'm going to repeat here. No, sir, we are not,

2594
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:39,920
Speaker 1: but we're willing to learn. I'm willing to learn. How

2595
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 1: high you get from doing this? Please understand that?

2596
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:50,240
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, no, no, the sames of room for later? Yes, yes,

2597
02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 2: all right, all right? Uh Luke, remember when the Madrashad

2598
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:58,080
Speaker 2: asked Bill Cosby's TV wife Melissa on air that time

2599
02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 2: to marry her and she said yes. They had a

2600
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 2: wedding and then they got divorced. You ever wonder who

2601
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:07,800
Speaker 2: was in a mod's wedding party? No, straight killers, Luke,

2602
02:03:08,280 --> 02:03:10,240
Speaker 2: straight killers?

2603
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:13,919
Speaker 1: Wait? Is that OJ and Bill Cosby?

2604
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:16,800
Speaker 2: Yes? Those were his groomsmen, Luke in this wedding?

2605
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:19,920
Speaker 1: Is this a real photo? Are we doing fake news?

2606
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 2: That's a real photo. Bill walked his TV wife Felissa

2607
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 2: down the aisle. OJ was the best man.

2608
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:32,040
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that is a you know what, have you

2609
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 1: ever heard stories about a madrashot as a person?

2610
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:39,040
Speaker 2: No, look that up now, is it a good dude?

2611
02:03:39,160 --> 02:03:40,800
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan loves and trust that man.

2612
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,320
Speaker 1: Luke. No, that's not what I've been reading. No, quite

2613
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:44,000
Speaker 1: the opposite.

2614
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:47,360
Speaker 2: Former NFL star known as Bobby Moore Luke before they

2615
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:50,800
Speaker 2: don't forget that. All right, let's go, Luke. I got

2616
02:03:50,840 --> 02:03:51,560
Speaker 2: one question for you.

2617
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:52,160
Speaker 1: Is this cool?

2618
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:54,240
Speaker 2: Or is this dubt? You'd be the judge.

2619
02:03:54,760 --> 02:04:03,480
Speaker 1: You can be both, right, dude, redneck fucking ingenuity is

2620
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:06,000
Speaker 1: what makes the world go round, bitch. Don't think it's

2621
02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:09,160
Speaker 1: not so you don't think it's not into this or no,

2622
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:12,680
Speaker 1: is this cool or no, super cool? Super into this?

2623
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:14,720
Speaker 1: They need a little they need a little work on

2624
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:18,400
Speaker 1: their physics. But that's pretty good. That's pretty goddamn cool.

2625
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 2: All right, let's go. Uh, let's keep it going, Luke,

2626
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:23,360
Speaker 2: got a couple more left. I don't even know how

2627
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:24,680
Speaker 2: to tee this up. Just watch it.

2628
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:30,520
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god, what.

2629
02:04:31,960 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 2: You ever tried to move somebody at seventy five miles

2630
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 2: an hour? Luke? You gotta hang on tight, all.

2631
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 1: Right, dude, Dude, if that guy didn't die, he should have. Yeah,

2632
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:42,760
Speaker 1: he asked, asked first, No less, Oh my god, can

2633
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 1: you imagine? Luke?

2634
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:46,160
Speaker 2: I would just I mean they he doesn't need to

2635
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:49,640
Speaker 2: ask the tattoo artists to work up his cheeks. Luke, Okay,

2636
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:51,800
Speaker 2: Life did that for him. Life tattooed him right on

2637
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:52,120
Speaker 2: the ASD.

2638
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:54,920
Speaker 1: Dude. You know, you know what I have seen. I

2639
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:57,240
Speaker 1: have seen one time. I'll never forget, Doe. There's a

2640
02:04:58,160 --> 02:05:01,400
Speaker 1: in uh just north of Richmond, south of Fredericksburg, is

2641
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:05,200
Speaker 1: a big amusement park on I ninety five called King's Dominion.

2642
02:05:05,200 --> 02:05:08,760
Speaker 1: Anyone from Virginia knows about it. King, Oh, yeah, exactly.

2643
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:10,160
Speaker 1: So my dad one time when I was a kid,

2644
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:12,160
Speaker 1: we were driving from DC to go to King's Dominion,

2645
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:14,240
Speaker 1: me and my brother and a couple of his friends.

2646
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:16,360
Speaker 1: It was a big thing. And I'll never forget. There

2647
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,040
Speaker 1: were two cars in front of us like this, so

2648
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:21,240
Speaker 1: this is what eighty seven, eighty eight something like that, right,

2649
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:25,480
Speaker 1: and so cassette tapes people had them. I'll never forget.

2650
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:28,600
Speaker 1: One person in one car all the way out, arms

2651
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:30,880
Speaker 1: stretched to the point where the person inside is holding

2652
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:34,280
Speaker 1: them by the belt. Another person from another car reached

2653
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 1: over all and by the way like their their asses

2654
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:38,720
Speaker 1: are past the window, like that's how far out of

2655
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:41,800
Speaker 1: the vehicle, and they passed a cassette tape to which

2656
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really wonder, but I remember thinking

2657
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:49,280
Speaker 1: to myself, holy shit, these are the dumbest people on

2658
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:51,800
Speaker 1: earth and that must be the most incredible music.

2659
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are they risking their lives for? Like Wham

2660
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,480
Speaker 2: or like you know, I don't know.

2661
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,760
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think so they were well they were.

2662
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,919
Speaker 1: It was hard to tell what their ethnicity was exactly,

2663
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:05,560
Speaker 1: but whatever it was, it it was special to them.

2664
02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:06,360
Speaker 1: I can point out.

2665
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:07,800
Speaker 2: Out bringing ethnicity into this, Luke.

2666
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:09,400
Speaker 1: Just well, they weren't white guys. So I don't know

2667
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:11,000
Speaker 1: if they're listening to Wham, you know what I mean,

2668
02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:11,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2669
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,400
Speaker 2: I think Wam crosses all borders and boundaries, Luke.

2670
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:17,240
Speaker 1: Okay, it doesn't. Though it doesn't. That's the thing about it.

2671
02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:19,240
Speaker 2: All Right. I got two more for you, Luke, and

2672
02:06:19,400 --> 02:06:23,840
Speaker 2: one of them. Oh great collaborations, you know, you and

2673
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 2: me coming together, the MMA guy, the boxing guy right

2674
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:29,960
Speaker 2: to wash Dads Right, that's been a great mencameo dot

2675
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 2: com slush Brian Campbell has been a great collaboration. What

2676
02:06:32,840 --> 02:06:34,000
Speaker 2: do you think about this collab?

2677
02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:42,839
Speaker 1: It does make sense talk about.

2678
02:06:42,640 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 2: Because just outright sell that behind the counter there, you know,

2679
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:47,400
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, sir, here's your here's your two ply.

2680
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I get. By the way, like,

2681
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:52,080
Speaker 1: who buys the toilet paper in your house?

2682
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:53,440
Speaker 2: Wife?

2683
02:06:54,280 --> 02:06:57,160
Speaker 1: See, you are a fucking amateur. That's how I know that.

2684
02:06:57,240 --> 02:07:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't leave that decision to anybody else because they

2685
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 1: buy the cheap stuff that just breaks in your hand,

2686
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 1: and now you're I.

2687
02:07:03,720 --> 02:07:06,160
Speaker 2: Buy the ass chapping chief stuff because that's how I

2688
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:08,600
Speaker 2: was raised. Everybody in my house wants like, you know,

2689
02:07:08,760 --> 02:07:09,600
Speaker 2: patting on it, luke.

2690
02:07:09,640 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 1: They want yeah, yeah, yeah, I want each roll of

2691
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:14,680
Speaker 1: toilet paper to basically be a blanket for my rear end.

2692
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:15,440
Speaker 1: That's what I want.

2693
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, actually, the guy every other year we have

2694
02:07:18,120 --> 02:07:22,680
Speaker 2: to get our septic, you know, the big hose comes

2695
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:24,080
Speaker 2: in and pulls all the poop out of the ground.

2696
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:26,520
Speaker 2: The guy was like, how many people live in your house?

2697
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:29,320
Speaker 2: He's like, you got like four times the regular amount

2698
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:32,000
Speaker 2: you buying. You're buying double wide paper again. He's like,

2699
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:34,440
Speaker 2: you gotta talk to your kids, like, thank you sir for.

2700
02:07:35,320 --> 02:07:36,840
Speaker 1: You know you were like, you know, what big job

2701
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:38,920
Speaker 1: is it in? And we just had to let him.

2702
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:40,000
Speaker 1: We just had to let him have it.

2703
02:07:40,080 --> 02:07:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Louke, the guy that pulls the shit out of

2704
02:07:42,040 --> 02:07:44,600
Speaker 2: my ground looks like a guy who pulls it out

2705
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:46,600
Speaker 2: of the ground for a living. Shout out to that guy. Okay,

2706
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:49,160
Speaker 2: shout out. Indeed, you know what I mean, he's talking

2707
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:52,160
Speaker 2: about my shit. Luk, Okay, I got one more for you.

2708
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:54,840
Speaker 2: And uh, Luke, you gotta be careful near the grill

2709
02:07:54,960 --> 02:08:04,400
Speaker 2: this summer. Okay, it gets very hot. All right, very hot. Look.

2710
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:06,520
Speaker 2: I think that's the second straight week we accidentally showed

2711
02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:09,000
Speaker 2: real dong on this on this program. All right, yeah,

2712
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:11,480
Speaker 2: there you go.

2713
02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:12,720
Speaker 1: Take food from a man like this. Like, if that

2714
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:14,880
Speaker 1: man handed me some food, I'm going it right in

2715
02:08:14,920 --> 02:08:15,360
Speaker 1: the trash.

2716
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:17,800
Speaker 2: I'm not touching. I'd be like, I'd be like mister McGregor,

2717
02:08:17,880 --> 02:08:19,440
Speaker 2: thank you for showing up to the mayweather Way and

2718
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:20,280
Speaker 2: thank you sir.

2719
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:25,240
Speaker 1: All right, Yes, yes, my man had frozen steak stuffed

2720
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:26,920
Speaker 1: in his dungarees for that one. Boy.

2721
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:29,840
Speaker 2: All right, that's all the shit we got this week, Luke.

2722
02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:32,280
Speaker 2: Another just masterpiece of an episode, you know.

2723
02:08:32,440 --> 02:08:34,920
Speaker 1: All right, So that's it for today's show. Let's remind folks,

2724
02:08:34,920 --> 02:08:37,120
Speaker 1: I got some interviews coming your way. Be on the

2725
02:08:37,160 --> 02:08:39,720
Speaker 1: lookout for that. We might at all likelihood. We're probably

2726
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:42,240
Speaker 1: gonna do a bit of a McGregor Forever kind of

2727
02:08:42,280 --> 02:08:45,320
Speaker 1: documentary conversation. We'll have that coming. We'll be back on Wednesday.

2728
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a Friday show, so we'll have

2729
02:08:47,560 --> 02:08:49,400
Speaker 1: some special programming related to you for that as we

2730
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:52,160
Speaker 1: get closer to Memorial Day weekend Monday as well. But

2731
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:54,360
Speaker 1: we got plenty of things, so keep it locked right here.

2732
02:08:54,840 --> 02:08:57,920
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2733
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2734
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2739
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,480
Speaker 1: dot com to reach the producers of the show.

2740
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:21,400
Speaker 2: Oh, Mikey is updating us, our great producer from CBS

2741
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Speaker 2: Sports who says, Friday, we will have an episode at

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Speaker 2: eleven am Eastern like normal, but it may be pre

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Speaker 2: recorded tomorrow Tuesday. Ray Longo Room Service Diaries two point zero.

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Speaker 2: Do not miss this A great chat with a great

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Speaker 2: guy and Also Wednesday, Luke I caught up with Brent Stover,

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Speaker 2: the new voice of One Championship, also in our extended

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Speaker 2: CBS family, as a great broadcaster, just to you know,

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Speaker 2: pick his brain about one's future plans and direction him

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Speaker 2: getting into the MMA space. So good chats, Luke. You'll

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Speaker 2: be chatting to the face in the head of the

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Speaker 2: PFL as well. What's that fella's name, Peter Murray. Peter Murray,

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Speaker 2: that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, PFL CEO. Yeah, Thereeter Murray. Show. So we have

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Speaker 1: we have content coming from you guys all the time,

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Speaker 1: so be on the lookout for that, all right. So

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Speaker 1: that's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Thanks to Malka, thanks

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Speaker 1: to Showtime, thanks to CBS. We appreciate everyone who made

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Speaker 1: the show possible. Thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again live on Wednesday, with plenty

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Speaker 1: of content between now and then, and until then, may

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Speaker 1: all of your gains be loyal.