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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to work in progress. Friends. All eyes seem to

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Speaker 1: bottom of that feeling. We know that what is unfolding

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Speaker 1: here is going to reverberate far beyond state lines. And

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Speaker 1: at the heart of this moment are our New York

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Speaker 1: elected officials. And so who better to talk about this

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Speaker 1: very moment with the New York's very owned Governor Kathy Hokeel.

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Speaker 1: She's navigating a pivotal juncture where city, state, and federal

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Speaker 1: fault lines converge. We have a freshly elected mayor in

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Speaker 1: New York City who's promising bold change. We've got ongoing

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Speaker 1: federal pressure on state institutions as the White House is

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Speaker 1: weaponizing New York's power. We've got battles over our very

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Speaker 1: and the integrity of our democratic processes. And all of

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Speaker 1: that means that Governor Hokel is really facing intense scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: Her leadership is being measured not just by what she does,

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Speaker 1: and all of the incredible things that she has done,

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Speaker 1: but how she chooses to respond in every moment. It's

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Speaker 1: an awful lot of pressure, and I want to ask her,

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Speaker 1: not just as one of our incredible female governors here

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Speaker 1: in America, but as a human, as a woman, how

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Speaker 1: does she define her role in safeguarding democracy and delivering

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Speaker 1: to know if she's okay. So let's dive in and

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Speaker 1: talk about all things Snap and state policy, smartphone band

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Speaker 1: public office in the first place. Let's dive in with

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Speaker 1: Governor Holkel. Governor, We're sitting in New York City together.

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Speaker 1: I'm obviously very geeked. I feel like you can see

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Speaker 1: me blush him. Thank you for your patience and your

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Speaker 1: incredible decorum before we jump into all of the things

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Speaker 1: happening as we begin to close twenty twenty five, many

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Speaker 1: of them in this city, in your great state. I

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Speaker 1: actually would love to go backwards with you.

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Speaker 2: Sure, let's do it, because.

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Speaker 1: So many people that I sit with have an incredible

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Speaker 1: job or an incredible track record or promoting some incredible project.

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Speaker 1: Yours is democracy, I think the most important project of all.

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Speaker 1: And I think people forget that you have a story

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Speaker 1: before you were a public figure. And I know you

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Speaker 1: grew up in Western New York, and I'm curious if

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Speaker 1: you can paint a picture for me about not Governor

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Speaker 1: Kathy Hochel, but just Kathy as a kid at nine

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Speaker 1: or ten years old. What was your life like, what

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that because a lot of people think

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Speaker 2: that we sort of morphed into our jobs right now

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Speaker 2: and we don't actually real people. Yeah, they think you

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Speaker 2: were born in a pantsuit. That's right, that's right. I

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Speaker 2: came to the pantsuits later in life, but too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Western New York, Buffalo is kind of always was a

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Speaker 2: gritty steel town. And my dad and grandfather and his brothers,

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Speaker 2: And my parents, you know, before I was born before

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Speaker 2: and that really left an impression on me. And I decided,

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Speaker 2: after visiting Washington as a child, I wanted to someday

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Speaker 2: then was so limited. Most it was back in that era,

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Speaker 2: like you're going to be a teacher, secretary, or nurse,

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Speaker 2: and how's your typing?

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Speaker 1: You know those questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks. That's why I couldn't make it, as

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Speaker 2: they couldn't make it as a typeist. She's still seen

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Speaker 2: me trying to type. You just had to become the governor.

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Speaker 2: I love that, So there was another career path. I

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Speaker 2: a staffer, to top staffer, to a senator someday. That

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Speaker 2: because I had seen the capital. I knew about politics

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Speaker 2: from just from eighth grade social studies. I really love

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Speaker 2: social studies and never dreamed of public office. And that's

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Speaker 2: what I found so limiting when I look back that far.

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Speaker 2: You know a little you know, nine or ten year

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Speaker 2: babysitting everybody. I was ten years old, watching all my

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Speaker 2: younger siblings. I babysat you, the oldest, oldest girl, oldest daughter, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: somebody else has less than us. Yeah, and I still

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Speaker 2: I'm always aware I need to do more to help

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Speaker 1: Well, it strikes me, you know, the story that you tell,

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Speaker 1: circumstance in certain ways. That's that's in every man's story,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think about my grandfather who was in

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Speaker 1: And I know my mom and her brother's stories. You know,

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Speaker 1: house that he died in. And everywhere I've ever had

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Speaker 1: the privilege to live, you know, whether it's here in

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Speaker 1: Those are so central for me to advocacy, to thinking

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Speaker 1: And so much of what I believe in and why

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited you're here is issues that you lead on.

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Speaker 1: You know, whether it's better access to care for people,

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Speaker 2: Right, You've hit on something pretty profound that I can't

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Speaker 2: leave those stories behind me when I'm out there fighting,

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Speaker 2: you know, in Harlem or the Bronx, as I was

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Speaker 2: last week to have snap benefits restored. You know the

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Speaker 2: My husband's family use food stamps when he was growing up.

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Speaker 2: He had tough circumstances as well. His father got very

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Speaker 2: heartfull of gratitude to know that I broke out of

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Speaker 2: that same shot. And so when you take away food

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we had a lot of pancakes for dinner because

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Speaker 2: much more than didn't even my mom had to buy it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they're struggling. So when people think about affordability as just

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Speaker 2: a sort of a branding word, these are real people's lives.

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Speaker 2: It's all about struggle, and they need to know that

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Speaker 2: there's someone who will fight like hell for them. We

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Speaker 2: will stand up to Donald Trump and the Republicans who

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Speaker 2: unleashed this pain all across America just to score political points.

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Speaker 2: And I believe they lost that war because it looks

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Speaker 2: so cruel and so depraved to say, the first time

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Speaker 2: in American history when there's been a government shutdown that

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Speaker 2: they didn't keep the nutrition programs flowing. They're sitting on

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Speaker 2: six billion dollars in reserves to do that, and they

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Speaker 2: went to court to stop that from happening. That is

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Speaker 2: a new low in our history. And we turn our

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Speaker 2: A lot of it goes right to the courts. We

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a word from our sponsors that I

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Speaker 2: We got to keep it. You can never get up

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Speaker 2: I was cutting my teeth in politics, the youngest and

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Speaker 2: the only girl in a room in high school. But

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Speaker 2: I was surrounded by smart older guys, like college age

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Speaker 2: guys and college graduates. We're all running the campaigns for

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Speaker 2: governor and for president and for senator. I was sitting

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Speaker 2: there absorbing it all, and I loved it, and I've

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Speaker 2: never lost that love. Because that's how you'll elect people

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Speaker 2: who will be out there fighting for others. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: so I think we can harness the energy that we

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Speaker 2: just saw this past election here in New York City

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Speaker 2: and spread it all over well, I sure hope.

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Speaker 1: So it's a little frustrating. I feel like our balloon

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Speaker 1: was really getting inflated. You know, we had so many

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Speaker 1: great wins that we needed to push back against this

447
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Speaker 1: authoritarian regime, and then the Democrats caved, and it really

448
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Speaker 1: feels like it takes the wind out of our sales.

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Speaker 1: Why why do you think after forty five days of

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Speaker 1: holding the line, eight people defected?

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Speaker 2: Like, what's the what's the deal?

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to be such a cynic to

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Speaker 1: believe you know some of the things I've seen online

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Speaker 1: which are like, well a bunch of them. Their biggest

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Speaker 1: donors are the airlines, and they threatened the airports and

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Speaker 1: now they're caving. It's got to be there's got to

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Speaker 1: be a bigger picture, right, Can can you help us understand?

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Speaker 2: I can't speak to why eight people, nine people, whatever

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Speaker 2: the number was, defected, But you look at their states,

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Speaker 2: their battleground states. They have to worry about both sides

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Speaker 2: because and I will tell you I'm one Democrat, it's

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Speaker 2: it's fun and easy to be a purist like it's

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Speaker 2: got this is, this is I believe in all these things,

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Speaker 2: and if you don't believe in every one of them,

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Speaker 2: that I'm not with you. And we do that to ourselves.

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Speaker 2: We have too often we are the circular firing squad

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Speaker 2: among other Democrats. And guess what, that's how Republicans win

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Speaker 2: because they don't do that. They're more disciplined than that.

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Speaker 2: So I would say, if we could find the common

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Speaker 2: ground that hey, we're Democrats and they're Democrats, they're Republicans,

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Speaker 2: let's stick together. So I don't want to go second.

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Speaker 2: Guests with the politics are in their home state. But

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Speaker 2: some of them, some Democrats, in some parts of our country,

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Speaker 2: they may have to do things that we might as

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Speaker 2: pure ASTs, say is wrong. But if it's not them,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a Republican city that seat. And

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Speaker 2: that's when you're in the city, you don't realize that

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Speaker 2: Republicans are New York State is now a purple state.

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Speaker 2: That is hard for me to accept as someone who's

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Speaker 2: been involved in politics my whole life. But the reality

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Speaker 2: is we've lost a lot of ground and Republicans are

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Speaker 2: enrolling people. Why aren't we doing more to roll Democrats

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Speaker 2: to believe in us, and we have to give them

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Speaker 2: the story, the narrative to tell. So on that issue,

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Speaker 2: I don't have an answer on why they did what

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Speaker 2: they did, But all I know is that Republicans, when

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Speaker 2: they put this up for a vote, if they really

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Speaker 2: are on extending the healthcare premiums, because right now, someone

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Speaker 2: paying two thousand dollars a month for health insurance has

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Speaker 2: just been told it's now four thousand, not a year

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Speaker 2: a month, and how is that sustainable? So Republicans are

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Speaker 2: letting that happen. And I'm telling you as much as

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Speaker 2: I want that to not happen to the extent it's

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Speaker 2: going to and that gets weaponized against every one of them.

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Speaker 2: So there is also a way to turn this bad

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Speaker 2: dynamic into something that can least change the narrative and

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Speaker 2: the election next year and in twenty twenty seven, which

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Speaker 2: seems like an eternity away. We have Democrats at least

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Speaker 2: in the House representatives, we can have a firewall to

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Speaker 2: stop what they're doing to the American people.

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Speaker 1: And now, for our sponsors, it's hard to stomach that

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Speaker 1: we're in a position where we've got leadership that is

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Speaker 1: so focused on making money for itself, and I mean,

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Speaker 1: in the case of the White House, billions of dollars,

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Speaker 1: the Trump family's making billions at the expense of everyone else,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I think for me, you know, my

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Speaker 1: dad's from Canada. He moved here in the seventies to

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Speaker 1: go to college and became a citizen when I was thirteen.

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Speaker 1: So when people say do it the right way, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what that means, because my dad was

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Speaker 1: like a you know, doing great middle class white guy

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Speaker 1: from Canada, and it was still hard. And I think

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Speaker 1: a lot about my exposure to another place and to

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Speaker 1: family and another place, and the fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: here in America we spend more per capita on healthcare

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Speaker 1: than any other pure nation, and we don't have We're

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Speaker 1: the only ones with a for profit healthcare system instead

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Speaker 1: of healthcare being seen as a public good, healthcare as

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Speaker 1: a human right.

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Speaker 2: And it makes me feel.

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Speaker 1: Crazy because not only are we talking about, to your point,

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Speaker 1: this Republican party that chooses the abject suffering of people

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Speaker 1: that aren't in the billionaire class, but also profits from it.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, we haven't we haven't voted all these

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Speaker 1: people out yet, but here we are and we're still

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Speaker 1: We're still in the fight. And I know, for me

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Speaker 1: and clearly for you and for so many people we

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Speaker 1: spend our time with, we're not going to give it up.

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Speaker 1: We're not giving up the fight. We're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think then, that there has been so

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Speaker 1: much of a of a fear or a freak out

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Speaker 1: around our mayor elect here in New York? You know, Mom,

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Speaker 1: Donnie's talking about fixing some of the wealth inequity, shoring

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Speaker 1: up the kinds of programs that would allow for access

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Speaker 1: that you know, not to like live in a rom com,

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Speaker 1: But I remember how New York felt to me as

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Speaker 1: a kid in the nineties. I'm like, I miss that

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Speaker 1: in New York. What if it could come back a

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Speaker 1: little bit, Like what if more people got to live

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Speaker 1: here and experience this place, in this great diversity that

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Speaker 1: we used to have more of. Do you think maybe

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Speaker 1: some of the rhetoric about him coming from the right

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Speaker 1: is really just because they're scared that we're poking holes

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Speaker 1: in the fact that trickle down economics doesn't work and

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Speaker 1: a billionaire oligarchy isn't what we want in America.

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Speaker 2: I think it's simple than that. I think they're always

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Speaker 2: looking for an enemy. They're always looking for someone to demonize,

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Speaker 2: someone to get people to turn on, you know, the other,

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Speaker 2: and that has been the secret of their success. From

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Speaker 2: the president, I'm down, damn. And so he hits the

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Speaker 2: profile like, oh my gosh, she's born from some another

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Speaker 2: country and he practiced religion that I don't practice. They're

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Speaker 2: thinking he has different beliefs. But what he touched was

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00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: a nerve that was so real and so visceral to people.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you said, I'm just not getting ahead, and

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00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: he articulated that sense. We've been talking about affordability for

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Speaker 2: a number of years, but really focused on it last

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Speaker 2: January and whether it's every child in the state of

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Speaker 2: New York now gets free breakfast and lunch in schools,

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Speaker 2: so it's an affordability issue. It puts about thirty two

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars back in a family's pocket if you have

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Speaker 2: two kids. I mean that's huge. Plus time the people

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Speaker 2: quote me on the streets of New York say thank

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Speaker 2: God at the pack of the lunches and make the breakfast. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I'm a mom, you know. It's that's that's like

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Speaker 2: something that was criticized wildly by the Republicans. What do

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Speaker 2: you mean you're giving free stuff to kids because I

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Speaker 2: don't think little kids should enter tummy's growling in a

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Speaker 2: classroom because they were too embarrassed to show that they

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Speaker 2: were getting subsidized lunches, had to go in a different

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Speaker 2: line or be notifed. People know it's them, and so

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Speaker 2: they skip their lunches. This is real. They skip their

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Speaker 2: lunches because they don't want to be stigmatized. I can't

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Speaker 2: live in a state that has that. How we're feeding

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Speaker 2: our kids, or the money that we did with the

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Speaker 2: middle class tax cut, the biggest tax rate cut, so

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Speaker 2: the middle class knows where you haven't forgotten them too.

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Speaker 2: And for moms with kids, their parents with kids under

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Speaker 2: the age of one, one thousand dollars check to help

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Speaker 2: you cover the diapers, the formula, the little outfits they

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Speaker 2: keep out growing all the time. So I've added up

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Speaker 2: it's about five thousand dollars and plus the inflation rebate,

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Speaker 2: which a lot of people just got four hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: in their pockets. I had a guy coaching on the shiels.

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Speaker 2: My god, someone stole my laptop. I could buy a

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Speaker 2: new one with the money just sent me. That made

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Speaker 2: a difference to Its a big deal. So that's how

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Speaker 2: I'm making a difference by putting money backs pockets and

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Speaker 2: focusing on prioritizing families and their needs, and even something

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Speaker 2: that didn't cost money, but banning cell phones in schools,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm telling you, why did we even go a

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Speaker 2: decade saying it's okay for children to be sitting there

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Speaker 2: watching TikTok dance videos instead of listening to the math

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Speaker 2: teacher crazy and being surprised that the outcomes aren't Why

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Speaker 2: aren't they showed better results on tests because we let

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Speaker 2: them have this toy, this distraction that is also can

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Speaker 2: be pretty detrimental to their mental health, and that's why

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Speaker 2: we're seeing a real increase in young, truly teenage girls

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Speaker 2: having mental health challenges. So we're ending that in New

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Speaker 2: York and every other state ow to do the same thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: never again.

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Speaker 1: That's a huge win.

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Speaker 2: And they're making friends again. I know they're talking to

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Speaker 2: each other, they're bringing cards and games to lunch together.

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Speaker 2: So I love the stories. And we just did this

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Speaker 2: in September, and I'm going to say this is one

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Speaker 2: of the most non partisan you know, Initius we ever launched,

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Speaker 2: didn't cost us any money, and it's had a profound

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Speaker 2: effect on families and individuals, and those are the wins

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Speaker 2: we should be talking about, because anybody could have done

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Speaker 2: it before me. Nobody wanted to stand to all the

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Speaker 2: entrench interests that told me no, which is so crazy.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you think about it, there's you know,

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Speaker 1: this was the year of Jonathan Haates, the Anxious Generation,

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Speaker 1: phenomenal book to explain some of this. I think about

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Speaker 1: how anxious my own phone makes me. And I'm an adult,

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Speaker 1: you know, I grew up without a cell phone like this,

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Speaker 1: and then in high school had like, you know, a

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Speaker 1: little Nokia you know, T nine, You're like one, two three,

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Speaker 1: T got it. And to think about what these kids

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Speaker 1: are facing, you know, and then to go a layer deeper.

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Speaker 1: Another book I read, which if you haven't read, I

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Speaker 1: will send to you because it's fabulous tiny. It's called

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Speaker 1: How to Break Up with Your Phone, and it actually

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Speaker 1: talks about all the research that went into designing smartphones.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same research they use to design slot machines.

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Speaker 1: They're made to be.

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Speaker 2: Addictive, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And it's wild, right, and so when I think about

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Speaker 1: wins like this, whether it's fiscal policy or social policy,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about prioritizing people wellness, about ensuring community. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I hear you talk about even those four hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars checks that just went out, the average American is

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Speaker 1: one four hundred dollars unexpected medical bill away from bankruptcy.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be like that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we've got leadership in Washington that wants

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Speaker 1: billionaires to be able to write off private jets, but

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Speaker 1: doesn't think teachers should be able to write off construction paper.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: So when you think about these things, you know, even

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Speaker 1: the way you talk about Mom Donnie's election and how

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Speaker 1: the point is to bring more voices from our party

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Speaker 1: to the table to find solutions.

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Speaker 2: For everybody, how do you take what a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Folks in the city view as a win and what

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Speaker 1: you know some of your more rural voters might be

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Speaker 1: a little afraid of because of what you said, the

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Speaker 1: messaging about the other Oh, you're supposed to be scared.

649
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Speaker 1: You really, you kind of get to be like the

650
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: mom of our state. You know, you get to talk

651
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: to the kids and be like, settle down.

652
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: Everybody talk to folks about I'll say that all the time,

653
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: and there was you know, I feel like I've been

654
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: the therapist in chief for a lot of people. Oh

655
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: my god, you know I'm leaving now. I'm selling my

656
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: penthouse because you know, I'm not going to make the

657
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 2: invest I said, everybody has calm down, you know, calm down.

658
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: We're going to be fine. You know, I will work

659
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: with him to help him be successful, because no one

660
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: who's smart is ever going to root against New York City.

661
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: Want our mayors to be successful, and so you know

662
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: we speak regularly, you know, very friendly relationship. And I

663
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: don't need to have this epic power struggle that my

664
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: predecessors and others would have between the governor and the

665
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: mayor of New York because it's like it's a clash

666
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: of Titan egos, like who gets more credit? Who gets

667
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: did the press conference first on the same topic, where

668
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: I'm like, let's do a press conference together. We're both

669
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: fighting crime in the subways, we're both dealing with the

670
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: homelessness crisis, we're bothocusing on building more housing. Why aren't

671
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: we doing this together? And I'll give money to help

672
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: support the mayor's initiatives. I did that under Eric Adams,

673
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: you know, the City of Yes to build more housing.

674
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: It was dead until I camp with money to get

675
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: over the finish line, and so we can do those things.

676
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: So everybody should just doalt all back you, Yeah, I

677
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: think to the rural anywhere else. It's not just rural areas.

678
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people in New York City who

679
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: are very anxious. Let him have a chance to prove

680
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: he can govern and surround himself with talented people who

681
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: know what to do. Also know it's a four year

682
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: term and possibly longer. Everything can't possibly happen in the

683
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 2: first six months. Even the first year you start planning

684
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: the seeds to my cell phone policy. I had to

685
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: spend a year going around the state persuading people that

686
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: this was a good idea, and then we got it done.

687
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: My housing policy I started the first year, didn't win

688
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: second year, came back at it. So I just want

689
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: everybody to think about the fact that there's so many

690
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 2: other issues that a mayor has to worry about too. Yep,

691
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: he's got to focus on public safety number one. If

692
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: he keeps Jessica Tish, I think that'll calm a lot

693
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: of people down. And I say, he said he would.

694
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: Let's keep working on homelessness in the subways, in the streets.

695
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: Let's make sure the garbage gets picked up so they

696
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: can't blame you for that. You know, Let's get rid

697
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: of the rats. Keep killing rats, get rid of the scaffolding.

698
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: I walk around the city. I don't see the sun

699
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: for ten blocks I walk every day. So there's just

700
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: the nuts and bolts of governing the city. If he

701
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: can demonstrate then he's doing all that and people aren't like, oh,

702
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: my life really hasn't changed. I guess I'm gonna be okay.

703
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: Time will bear that out. And also his major initiatives.

704
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: We're having conversations about them. What's in the realm of possibility?

705
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: How we get to yes, what time frame and so so, No,

706
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: we're going to be like I feel like we're gonna

707
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: be fine Everyboddy.

708
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm excited. And I think particularly the grit of New

709
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: York and the way this place stands as this beacon

710
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: for the country, but also at current stands up against

711
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: the administration. You know, whether it's Letitia James refusing to

712
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: back down, and I mean that's ridiculously bogus charged despite

713
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: what was in her mortgage contract, Like, what are we doing?

714
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump?

715
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: You know, to even you, you know you're about to

716
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: go into a battle with Alis Stefanik, who I just

717
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: think has betrayed people left, right and center. And I'm

718
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: excited to see you take her on. You count me

719
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: in for any campaign events you've got as you think

720
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: about these things ahead, you know, the progress you want

721
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: to make here in the city and around the state,

722
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: and the fights that are coming, and also the wins

723
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Speaker 1: you know, snap and cell phones and so much more

724
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: for people who live here in New York. When you

725
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: look toward twenty twenty six, what feels like you're working progress.

726
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: My work in progress is truly childcare. Well, that is

727
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 2: something that I had to leave a job I love

728
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: John capitol Hill because it was no childcare I could afford. Yeah,

729
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: when I was a young mom, and my kids have

730
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: grown up, they still struggle with that as well. Yeah,

731
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: and so that to me. I just sat down with

732
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: some business leaders today. I said, this used to be

733
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: a problem for a family as vis like, well, you

734
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: chose to have kids, you figured out, I said, this

735
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: is a problem for society but also for our economy.

736
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Speaker 2: If we don't have everyone functioning at high levels and

737
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: be able to go to the jobs that are helping

738
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: make you profitable, you should be concerned about that. Yes,

739
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: or missus business person like this should be a solution

740
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: we all want to have because every likely woman, but

741
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: every parent who wants to work can work, then we

742
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: are more productive as a society. So let's just continue

743
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: what I've been talking about for years. And I've already

744
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: invested seven billion dollars in childcare since I double and

745
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: part of it was opening up new spaces, training people,

746
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: getting the infrastructure in place, because you can't promise everybody

747
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: childcare and then not have a place for them to

748
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: go right or an instructor there to take care of them.

749
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Speaker 2: So that's the ground building I've been doing for years.

750
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: I've said I want to get universal childcare, and this

751
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: is a big priority for the mayor elect. But we

752
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: also just step back and say, okay, what else is missing?

753
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: If we promise something and someone calls it, I'm ready

754
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: for my universal child because say, oh, we still have

755
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: to open up, you know, twenty more buildings and have

756
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: hundreds of more slots to be able to do that.

757
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to pull a rug out from people.

758
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: We have to have a realistic path to get there.

759
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that kind of infrastructure takes time, but it's

760
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: thrilling to watch you continue to invest in it, especially

761
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: in a time in our society where everyone wants the

762
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: quickest turnover, the quickest win, the quickest own on social media.

763
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Speaker 1: You are doing the building so that we can look

764
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Speaker 1: back in five, ten, fifteen years and say.

765
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Speaker 2: Look what we did. I want to get it done tomorrow.

766
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: You know, I'm impatient, Oh, of course, but we lost

767
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: a lot of ground with the pandemic. A lot of

768
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: childcare centers literally closed up, which is why so many

769
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: parents were staying home. We have people that are finding

770
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: that they can make more money because minimum wage in

771
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: our fast food store is just twenty dollars an hour. Yes,

772
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: and they make less if they're working at a daycare

773
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: center or child care facility. And so there has to

774
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: be a resetting of those values, so to speak. So

775
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: I want know we'll get there. Yeah, but the system

776
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: isn't ready right now. But we need to have the

777
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: grace to be able to work together figure out what's

778
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: missing to get us to that place. You're building the

779
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: plane as you find. It's impressive, but it's good. It's

780
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: a priority.

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00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: It makes me think of something something that Kamala Harris said,

782
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: and I think back to the wonderful event you all

783
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: did with all the female governors at the DNC.

784
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: It was so special.

785
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: I was so thrilled to be in the room. And

786
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: her pushback on this idea that you know, universal childcare

787
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: is somehow a socialist policy, she was like, no, no,

788
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: it's capitalism with a good ROI because parents who have

789
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: childcare go and make more money, and then their companies

790
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: make more money. It actually is a relatively low cost

791
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: investment when you look at it against what it creates

792
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: in profit. And so I love that that is I

793
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: love that. That's that's your bone. You're never going to

794
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: wut down because we need it.

795
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: No, I tell CEOs, one of your big problems is retention.

796
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: You train someone, they're great, they're awesome, they're producing, and

797
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: then they want to have a family if you don't

798
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: support them during that time. Again, the time from when

799
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: before they hit you know, if it's three year old

800
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: pre K or four yel pre Yeah, it's just a

801
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: few years. If you help them through that you have

802
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: a childcare center on site. Yes, and that's what we're

803
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 2: doing with this big Micron company. That's where we brought

804
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: It's the largest private sector investment in American history building

805
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: semiconductors in Syracuse.

806
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: Casual.

807
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: They had to build a childcare center as a condition

808
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: of getting our money. Yes, So the bigger guys have

809
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: the space build a childcare center. Smaller ones can have Consourtius.

810
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: I think while we're working on our piece of it,

811
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 2: let the private sector realize you should do this too.

812
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: It's in your interest and that employee will stay with

813
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: you for life if you get them through those early years.

814
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: That's it. So we can help solve some problems.

815
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: And it's how you build community and a great economy.

816
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Governor. I know you've got to run.

817
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: I see everybody starting to look at their watches. I

818
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: just so appreciate you being here today. And yeah, you

819
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: tell us where to be for this next election, We're ready.

820
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much. Thank you for having your

821
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: voice help lead the fight.

822
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Speaker 1: Thank you