WEBVTT - Fire Drill 054: Tiger Looms Large, Even in Absentia 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:07.200 Welcome back to the Fire Drill. Before we get started 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:11.000 about what we talked about Michael Alan and myself, I 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.360 just want to thank U Dormy Workshop and Part points 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.159 two of the great supporters of fire Pit Collective and 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:24.079 what we're doing and the Fire Drill, UH Dormy Workshop Artisanal. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.840 As I say every week, UH club Covers, Potter Covers 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.720 awesome stuff, been great to us. And then par points 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.680 great app Go download it, go make par It's a 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.360 new way of scoring. It's pretty awesome. So as always, 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.080 thank you to them for their great support. This weekend 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:46.559 the Fire Drill, we talked about UH the Hero. We 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:51.120 talked about Casey Martin and whether Tiger would ever take 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:56.000 a cart, and we talked about UH Adrian Morok and 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.320 we talked a lot about Polish golf. We talked about 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.800 how many players are ranked, whether he's on the team, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.080 what he's gonna change, is he gonna change the country, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:09.320 and then UH we went from laughing about that into 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:15.280 a very deep conversation about Tiger and his but what 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.280 he's been through in his life and what it means 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.240 to all of us, and what he means to the game, 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.920 and what his scandals. UH meant and some of it 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.839 is good on the outcome of what it meant to me, 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:33.559 and uh, Michael and Alan get very deep about whether 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.160 that should ever have been in the media. Uh, it's 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.200 it is a really good conversation. I did a lot 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.440 of listening, Uh as much as I can. Sometimes I 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.960 interrupt and talk about what I want to talk about. 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.760 But um, it was really good. Never know where it's 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.400 gonna go. We talked a long time about Tiger and 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:54.240 a lot of the things that he's been through. So 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.200 it was super awesome. That's what I love about this 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.680 podcast is that you never know where it's gonna go. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.680 We don't do any preparation outside of a few notes 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.720 to each other, and uh it went in direct direction 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.680 that we never thought it would go. So that's it. Uh, 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.520 it's great. It's awesome. That's why I love this podcast. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.520 And here's the three of us talking golf. I got 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:26.680 my head. Can't get Jan nothing, what I'm thinking about. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:41.519 I can't get him now nothing think what I'm thinking about. Gentlemen. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.040 It's Uh. It was gonna be a big week. We 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.239 were all excited to watch Tiger Woods played golf for 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.000 the first time in ages. He had a w D 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.160 from the World Challenge, so we didn't get to watch 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.799 the goat in action, but we we we heard him 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.080 at various press conferences and he popped up on the 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.960 telecast and he was pressing flash and you know, being 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.760 the consummate host. But um, you know, Michael, what do 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.840 we what do we make of the state of Tiger 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.600 Woods this minute? I don't think we're going to see 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.400 this guy play a lot of golf in the future. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.560 I say with sadness, because I know it's very important 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.880 to a lot of people, myself included, very important to 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.240 uh to Tiger Uh. But just to read his body language, 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.960 to read his body while he's while he's walking, uh, 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.480 and what he actually says, Uh, if you can't walk 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.079 seventy two holes, how are you going to play tournament golf? 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.520 And how does it get better from here? Uh? So sadly, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.640 if he could play two or three majors this year, 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:43.040 it's a lot. And then the really big question becomes, well, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.440 what does he do with the rest of his life 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:51.000 to make it meaningful? Yeah? That's deep. I mean Ryder Cup, Captaincy's, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:58.000 President's Cup, Captaincy's you know, hosting more tournaments being Charlie's caddy. Uh, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.480 he'll have a role in golf, but it's not the 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.440 one as you say that we we would we would like. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.960 I mean, let's just talk about the cart situation, because 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.600 I mean I kind of of course it was vintage Tiger, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.520 you know, a little woofing in the president SI. I 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.280 can hit any shot you want, I just can't walk. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.520 I mean, why not just take a cart? John Daily does, 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.360 Casey Martin did? It's that there's precedent for it. Why 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.040 why is he being so stubborn on this point? Yeah, 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.480 I don't get it. I was super bummed. I really 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.200 like Teller. I'm a huge Tiger fan, but the Casey 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.400 Martin thing is a real bummer. Um. I mean, Casey 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.600 Martin just had his leg amputed, and the fact that 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.200 he voted against that. It's just it's a super drag man, 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.919 it really is. I get why he doesn't want to 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.479 take it, and I understand it, no problem. Uh, but 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.320 I guess it's two separate issues to me on is 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.760 if Tiger doesn't want to take it, I get it. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:58.039 That's his pride. He's very prideful guy. And you know 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.120 it's not a disease or or something like that. I 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.800 just really think that Casey Martin being in that conversation 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:08.279 is just not part of what's happening here. Like Casey 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.200 Martin doesn't have a leg like the guy legit. Yeah, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.640 he was born with his degenerative condition, and Tiger's wounds 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.880 are self afflicted. It it's definitely a different scenario. But 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.800 you could say John Daly's, you know, his lifestyle choice 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.640 is probably led to him not being able to walk. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:30.680 And I mean, I guess the question it's the philosophical thing. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.040 I mean, a golf tournament is just they record the 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.080 golf shots, the number of strokes you take. The walking 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.320 in between, Uh, you know, it's it's central the competition 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.440 from a fatigue standpoint, I guess. And the wear and tear. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.919 I mean, that's that's part of having to survive the 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.840 marathon of a tournament week. But walking between shots is 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.159 not integral to how we keep score. Um, I don't know. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.520 I think you can make the argument that that if 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.800 Tiger wants, if he's if he would have a change 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.840 of heart. I don't think anyone have any problem with 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:02.720 him taking a cart and playing sem two holes and 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.560 hitting you know two seventy six golf shots. But um, Michael, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.920 I know you as the as our traditionalist feel differently. No, 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.640 it's not it's not even that. It's just, you know, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.200 we're all students of Tiger. It's not about what others 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.080 would think. It's just really about what Tiger is in 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.000 Tiger's heart. Uh Uh, it's not even Ryan. It's a 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.640 great word pride, for sure, but it's even more than that. 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:28.800 It's just who Tiger is. I mean, this is this 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:32.479 dovetails exactly with why you could offer Tiger woods. I 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.599 would like to thank a billion dollars. And he wouldn't 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.799 go down that live road because he's someone who looks 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.800 back a lot, you know, to to look back just 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.560 into the very near past. Uh. A golfer he really 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:47.359 admired was was Jose Murial loftball Uh a lot off 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.719 the ball. Uh had a ad toe put him on 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:52.920 the sidelines for for well over year. He miss major 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.560 championships really when he was in the prime of his game, 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.719 and he never thought once about asking for a dispensation. Uh. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.760 For cart I think you know Tiger's models or you 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:08.960 know in a way Jones certainly Hogan a Loaffootball Arnold, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.040 who was very much opposed to uh to to to 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.800 using carts. And I just think it's central to Tiger's 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:22.400 personality type that golf is a walking game. Period. Yeah, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:27.520 I respect it, but it's uh, I don't know, I mean, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.560 it's it's he Tiger is a is a prisoner of 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.040 his own mythology. You know, he he mentioned it this week. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.080 Oh well, Daily took a cart. But I played at 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.960 the US when he US open with a broken leg, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.800 like you know, so I think he's paying himself into 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.360 corner here. He just can't go back on that. But 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.840 but his mythology is who he is. Uh. So what 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.480 you're asking him to do here, I totally understand what 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.600 you're asking, why you're asking, but what you're asking you 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.920 to him, he couldn't actually be true to himself and 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:00.040 do it. Uh somebody else could? Uh? And uh, you 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.840 know I would agree with you Ryan Casey Martin when 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.240 he was assuming the tour for the right to use 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.480 a cart. Just let him use a cart. What's the 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.120 big deal. I mean, I believe the society that can 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.960 be accommodating and should be accommodating, But that's not a 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.680 statement on what's in Tiger's heart. So I think it's 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.800 very interesting that that he has no interest in it. Yeah, 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.280 I totally respect the fact that Tiger doesn't want to 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.200 take a cart. Totally. I understand it. I get it, 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.280 and I understand that that's who Tiger is. I guess 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.760 I I came at it from two completely separate things. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.440 Totally understand why Tiger is not taking a cart and 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.600 totally bummed that he voted against Gayzy Martin. And uh, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.719 uh that is what it is. I mean, it's if 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.600 Tiger one out of a cart, I think he'd put 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.720 an asterisk on his own on his own victory. So 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.320 I don't think he think. I don't think he would 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.640 think it's a meaningful a meaningful win. Uh. You know, 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.200 if you know Sammy Socie used to cork bat, I 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.439 mean it's not the same thing. Uh. I just think 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.800 I come at it from my own perspective. When you know, 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.800 Matt Genella and myself and a couple of wo went 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.200 to pine Hurst. We played eight rounds in four days. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.800 We played all the courses there at that point. This 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:12.400 is this is way back when, and we we mostly walked, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.120 but we Uh, I think we took a couple of 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.720 cards because we were just uh, chasing daylight and this 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.640 and that, and at the end of at the end 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.120 of the trip, you just add up the scores and 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:22.520 we paid out all the bets and there was no 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:25.280 asterix on which who rode and who and who walked. 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.360 And obviously we're not talking about the US Open, but 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.760 to the fundamental of the game is hitting the shots, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.920 counting the scores. And to me, I personally would not 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.680 be bothered if Tiger took a car, and I wouldn't 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.440 assign an asterix to what he had done. I mean, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.160 you still have to play the shots. And he's already 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.120 you know, he's got one and a half legs, and um, 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.960 he's already a huge disadvantage. He's got a fused back, 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.319 and he's got you know, he's a bionic man. So 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.160 I don't think there's an asterisk needed. But I do agree, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.400 you know, part of what made probably we talked about 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.240 Ben Hogan in nine because he survived the bus accident 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.120 and he had to sit in a ice bath after 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.880 every round, and you know, that's that's part of it, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.880 is preparing the body. But it's an interesting conversation to 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.439 me and and and just to follow up and that 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.240 I thought about about Hogan. This is one the most 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.120 interesting Hogan quote Severn Night. As I get older, I've 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.440 come to appreciate Hogan more and more. I am the 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:20.319 judge of my own standards. It's a famous quote associated 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.760 with not associated is from Hogan and uh and that's 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.800 what Tiger is saying here too. I mean, I guess 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.559 to Ryan's point, he's not really because he's saying nobody 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:34.440 Casey Martin as well, but he is saying to us 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.600 in his own way, I am the judge of my 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.080 own standards. So I think there's something very admirable about that. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:41.480 He's gonna use a cart to the father's son, which 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.560 is not really in anyone's mind, that different than than 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.520 the hero world challenge. Does Charlie take a card? Does 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.440 Charlie ride in the cart? No, Charlie Watt can Tiger Road. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.960 I'm saying, is the is the the world challenged that 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.520 much more of a serious competence and than the than 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.240 the Father's son. I mean Victor Hovland, yes, but to 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.600 the world at large, I don't know. Well, Tiger would 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.400 definitely say yes, you get you may not like it, 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.720 but you get World Golf Ranking points for the hero, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.000 then you a not you get a lot of points. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.440 Actually you get a lot of them. Just one cook note. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.600 I probably have made this point before, but I've had 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.160 a fantasy, and now it's really going to prove to 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.080 be a fantasy that when Tiger turned fifty, he would 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.679 take the three senior Majors, the US Open, the Senior 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.679 British Open, the Senior pH A Championship seriously and make 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.160 it a thing to try to win all three eventually 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.440 or win three in one year. And I thought he 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.000 could really elevate those events, which I think are already 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:41.200 terrific events. Uh, that's not going to happen either. No. No, 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.160 you mentioned world ranking pays. Let's go there, because I 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.280 of course was rooting for Scottie Scheffler to in the 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.640 World Challenge, because he would have gone back to number 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.319 one in the in the world based on the copies 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.880 number of points he would have earned by beating nineteen 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.240 guys most of them are on vacation um. Because I 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.959 root for chaos at all times and that would have 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.360 has been delicious, and you root for the story root 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.320 of the story would have been a great story. I mean, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.160 all these live guys are You're getting pounded because they 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.680 want they want more ranking points, and they're just they're 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.760 just pass them out by the bushel in in the Bahamas. 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.200 It's it's a little wild and um and it doesn't 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.199 quite jibe with the narrative there's been constructed around all 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.800 this stuff, but it's good fun. My tweet. My tweet 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.200 was after Victor one is Victor just wanted second straight 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.320 guys trip. I mean, like, it's a dude, it's a 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.520 guys trip. It's nine, it's twenty guys. They all stay 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.560 in the same resort there. You know they're hanging out. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.640 It's the end of the season. No one could give 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.160 a shit less who really wins, Like, yes, I get it, 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.160 in the final round, like there's some pressure you want 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.960 to win. I get that their competitors, but like on 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.440 Thursday afternoon, no one cares, No one cares. And the 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.280 fact that you get world ranking points for an unofficial event, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.560 it's not even a PGA Tour event. This is just 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:06.080 this is tigers guys trip right like it is. I mean, listen, 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.960 I'm not here to defend lift, like literally not here 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.160 to defend lift, but it is a slap in the 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.559 face if we think that this is not a joke. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.040 It's two times the live live events are two times 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.679 the field size and they're eighteen less holes, and we're 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.800 saying that's not allowed. But this is it's insane. I mean, 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.199 it's it's so ridiculous. The more you look at the 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.640 official World Golf rankings, the more of a joke. It's 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.960 kind of becoming. Well, and I mean I've covered tigers 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.559 event and a handful of times, and guys are putting 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.160 a little, a little effort early in the week and 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.240 in the first round and who shoots like higher than 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.640 seventy one. They they're like, I'm out, I tried, I 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.240 don't have it. And then a day to anyone anyone 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.120 who's you know, more than seven back, Like basically twenty 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.680 guys maybe out of twenty, maybe sixteen care at the 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.240 start the week, after Thursday's round you're down to about ten, 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.240 and after Fridays round there's about seven or eight. And 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.320 on Sunday there's only four or five guys who care 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.200 because I have a chance to win. So it's um, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.439 it is, it is what it is, But I win. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.040 I win at the here I win at the Hero 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:17.800 meant so much to Patrick Reed that he brought a 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:23.760 fifteenth club. Yes, it being too like I wish I 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.960 could make a better sound for Michael's inger's but yes, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:33.080 uh uh, well, I mean for Victor Hovelin, it's you know, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.480 it's not a bad win. Like he's a guy who's 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.920 still trying to build a resume. I think he's trying 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:42.120 to I was out there walking with him at um 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.520 the Old Course, and it was a little discouraging to 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.280 watch him retreat. I mean that moment. I mean, this 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:48.880 is maybe the best driver of the golf ball on 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.200 the planet. He kept in hybrids off the t and irons. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.120 It's like, Victor, what are you doing? Man? He was 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:58.480 playing so conservatively? Um And did you actually say that 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.280 to him? Because would be worried that to myself, I 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.640 should have like, so one need to say something to him. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.080 He just he didn't look like he was playing to win. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.200 It was so strange. So I think for a guy 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.520 like him, it is meaningful to um when you have 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.480 a chance to close, you close that that that that 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.760 has value to Victor Hovland and you're gonna raise in 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.680 your status with Tiger is gonna is going to be 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.720 risen raised, We'll go up. Uh and that's a positive. 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.240 Oh yeah, these guys, these guys live for validation from Tiger. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.640 So now he's won it twice and um, you know 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.800 in future writer cups when they're interacting like he'll I 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.800 think you're right. I mean, Victor's gonna be like, I've 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.280 shown this guy what I can do. And there there 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.240 is a weird, weird energy around Tiger that guys have 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.040 to get used to his presence. And um, so for 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.920 for Victor could for him. But I mean, listen again, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.520 he beat twenty of the top whatever thirty players in 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.400 the world. I get it. He beat twenty guys. He 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:02.280 beat nineteen guys like it's I don't know what it validated. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.240 Nineteen ten of them are there to like, have fun 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.520 and have a vacation with their spouse. I don't know. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.000 Do you think Ryan and Allan, do you think Tiger 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.880 would have a hard time drawing the field he draws 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.920 if there weren't world ranking points being offered. Percent that's 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.960 why they are offered. I would guess. I don't know 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.280 anything about this, but I would guess a hundred percent 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.360 that's why they're offered. I mean, if you if you 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.560 look at the history of of the World Challenge, initially 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.000 there weren't ranking points, and he's still leaned on his 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.600 buddies and they showed up. So I think that he 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.680 would get most of the same guys just because he's 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.680 He's Tiger effing Woods and they want to kiss the ring. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.480 And these guys have any self awareness, They know that 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.440 their their third home, their second ferrari, and most of 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.720 their net jets is due to Tiger Woods and um, 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.480 so I think it's you know, it's just showing respect 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.360 in the way. I mean, even guys would show up 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.440 for Byron Nelson's tournament when he was still alive because 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.080 of Byron Nelson. You saw as soon as he died 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.960 that field just created. And they don't have the same 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.040 connection with with with him that it was just a 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.719 showing of respect. So I think Tiger would still get 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.560 a terrific field. You might lose a couple of guys, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.639 but were now that the world ranking point is a 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.840 no brainer, and half these dudes have a house in Albany. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.040 You know, it just it just has become a whole 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.159 um as Ryan suggested, has just become its own little event. 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.680 That's that's fun and a little bit of a lark. 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.920 So it would have been so cool to hear Tigers say, 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.280 you know, we're say in the future, you know what 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:38.920 a two manfield, no cut, We don't deserve world ranking points. Uh. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:43.200 I remember when starring a rain Delay. Yeah, one set 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.919 augusta Uh, thunderstorm came in and Tiger was he was 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:49.879 deep on the course, not that deep, but he might 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.760 have been unlike fifteen tea and a band came by 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.639 to and I was splent with Thomas Bjorn and uh. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.200 Bjorn said, oh, they've got a band for us here 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.679 and uh and they were both playing like dogs and 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.720 uh and Tiger said, do we deserve right in from 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.440 the way we're playing? And uh, I think they hiked 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.840 up the hill. Uh. That's just how he is him. Uh. 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.960 You know, I think Tiger knows he doesn't just quote 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.440 deserve that pip money. It's a joke, and he must 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.280 know at some level that these points are a joke. 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.880 But to really put your money where your mouth is 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.159 and not accept him, that would be maybe bridge too far, 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.879 but it would be cool. Everybody was looking for what's 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.400 the f t X. The CEO is named Sam. Yeah bankman, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:33.120 Yeah yeah, bankman. Rabbit Port wrote a article about it 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.840 that everybody was on the lookout for, uh for Sam 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:44.480 and was he in the field or he's hiding out there, 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:50.879 He's avoiding he's avoiding prison by hiding out there. Yeah. No, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.760 that it is a world unto itself. Like one of 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.320 the power moves in the history of sports journalism was 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.120 when um Right Thompson was trying it, when you did 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.159 write a terrific Tiger story, but he was pursuing him. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.840 He actually chartered a boat and you wouldn't call it 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.400 a yacht, but a good sized boat to to take 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.360 him from I guess South Florida to the World Challenge, 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.200 just so he could be in that same marina as 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.080 Tiger and kind of penetrate one of the layers of 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.520 of you know, of access and and get within the bubble. 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.480 And he didn't get that much out of it. But 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.639 it's I love that we're we still live in a 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.200 world where a reporter charters of boat chasing Tiger would 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.760 So maybe maybe someone from the financial time should try that, 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.760 you know, like or uh or fortune like that. That's 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.440 how you do it. I mean, we all try track 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:49.320 Tiger's plane, you know, so like everybody's we're all we're 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.439 all playing and boat trackers. At this point, I know 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.600 it's pathetic. Um. Well, since we're on the topic of 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.640 Tiger and we've we've the live subjects has been raised. 0:19:57.680 --> 0:19:59.919 I mean, it was interesting that he used the exact 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.680 same words as Rory Um in his press comment was 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:04.800 talking about Greg Norman, who of course runs live golf. 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.880 Greg must go and um, it's almost like they work 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.200 shop the phrasing together, Tiger and Rory on the back 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.960 night at summon all or something, and um, it's it's 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.760 interesting that we all know that Norman is a bit 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.800 of a priah and he he inspires feelings and he's 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.200 he's clearly a thorn in the side of the PGA tour. 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.560 But it's to me it's very suthing that Tiger and 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.439 Rory have made it so personal because it is this 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:35.320 about business or is this personal? Alan does that? Is 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:39.359 the presupposition there that you believe it? Do they really 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:42.800 think that? I think it's just posturing. I mean I 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:44.959 think I think it would be helpful, you know, if 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:49.840 they're going to try and um, you know, somehow forge 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.480 to compromise. I think probably Greg and j Monahan both 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.320 should probably exit stage right. You're bring in fresh blood. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.520 They can say, okay, the new guys can say, hey, 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.560 all that nastiness, we didn't mean it. We're here to 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.200 make p He's like, I don't know if it's mandatory, 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.479 but it would probably be helpful. Um, but I think 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.800 it's it's it's a reflection of how effective Norman has been, 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.199 that he's so under their skin and in their heads. Like, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:13.399 if I'm Greg Norman, this is like a feather in 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.600 my cap. I'm I feel more secure in my job, 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:19.000 not less. I love the Norman's response this week from 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:20.560 I think it was Golf Week. I don't know where 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.159 he said it, but Norman said he doesn't care or 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.720 think about tiger Woods and Rory backle Roy. Like, okay, 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.560 first of all, obviously you do. And second of all, 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.359