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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fire Drill. Before we get started

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Speaker 1: about what we talked about Michael Alan and myself, I

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Speaker 1: thank you to them for their great support. This weekend

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Speaker 1: the Fire Drill, we talked about UH the Hero. We

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Speaker 1: talked about Casey Martin and whether Tiger would ever take

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Speaker 1: a cart, and we talked about UH Adrian Morok and

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about Polish golf. We talked about

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Speaker 1: how many players are ranked, whether he's on the team,

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Speaker 1: and then UH we went from laughing about that into

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Speaker 1: a very deep conversation about Tiger and his but what

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Speaker 1: he's been through in his life and what it means

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Speaker 1: to all of us, and what he means to the game,

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Speaker 1: and what his scandals. UH meant and some of it

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Speaker 1: is good on the outcome of what it meant to me,

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Speaker 1: and uh, Michael and Alan get very deep about whether

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Speaker 1: that should ever have been in the media. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: it is a really good conversation. I did a lot

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Speaker 1: of listening, Uh as much as I can. Sometimes I

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Speaker 1: But um, it was really good. Never know where it's

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Speaker 1: gonna go. We talked a long time about Tiger and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the things that he's been through. So

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Speaker 1: it was super awesome. That's what I love about this

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Speaker 1: podcast is that you never know where it's gonna go.

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Speaker 1: We don't do any preparation outside of a few notes

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Speaker 1: to each other, and uh it went in direct direction

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Speaker 1: that we never thought it would go. So that's it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's great. It's awesome. That's why I love this podcast.

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Speaker 1: And here's the three of us talking golf. I got

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Speaker 1: my head. Can't get Jan nothing, what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 1: I can't get him now nothing think what I'm thinking about. Gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: It's Uh. It was gonna be a big week. We

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Speaker 1: were all excited to watch Tiger Woods played golf for

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Speaker 1: the first time in ages. He had a w D

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Speaker 1: from the World Challenge, so we didn't get to watch

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Speaker 1: the goat in action, but we we we heard him

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Speaker 1: at various press conferences and he popped up on the

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Speaker 1: telecast and he was pressing flash and you know, being

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Speaker 1: the consummate host. But um, you know, Michael, what do

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Speaker 1: we what do we make of the state of Tiger

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Speaker 1: Woods this minute? I don't think we're going to see

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Speaker 1: this guy play a lot of golf in the future.

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Speaker 1: I say with sadness, because I know it's very important

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people, myself included, very important to

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Speaker 1: uh to Tiger Uh. But just to read his body language,

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Speaker 1: to read his body while he's while he's walking, uh,

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Speaker 1: and what he actually says, Uh, if you can't walk

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Speaker 1: seventy two holes, how are you going to play tournament golf?

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Speaker 1: And how does it get better from here? Uh? So sadly,

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Speaker 1: if he could play two or three majors this year,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot. And then the really big question becomes, well,

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Speaker 1: what does he do with the rest of his life

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Speaker 1: to make it meaningful? Yeah? That's deep. I mean Ryder Cup, Captaincy's,

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Speaker 1: President's Cup, Captaincy's you know, hosting more tournaments being Charlie's caddy. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he'll have a role in golf, but it's not the

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Speaker 1: one as you say that we we would we would like.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's just talk about the cart situation, because

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Speaker 1: I mean I kind of of course it was vintage Tiger,

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Speaker 1: I mean, why not just take a cart? John Daily does,

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Speaker 1: I don't get it. I was super bummed. I really

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Speaker 1: like Teller. I'm a huge Tiger fan, but the Casey

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Speaker 1: Martin thing is a real bummer. Um. I mean, Casey

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Speaker 1: it really is. I get why he doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: That's his pride. He's very prideful guy. And you know

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Speaker 1: it's not a disease or or something like that. I

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Speaker 1: he was born with his degenerative condition, and Tiger's wounds

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess the question it's the philosophical thing.

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Speaker 1: in between, Uh, you know, it's it's central the competition

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Speaker 1: from a fatigue standpoint, I guess. And the wear and tear.

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Speaker 1: not integral to how we keep score. Um, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: of heart. I don't think anyone have any problem with

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Speaker 1: hitting you know two seventy six golf shots. But um, Michael,

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Speaker 1: I know you as the as our traditionalist feel differently. No,

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Speaker 1: we're all students of Tiger. It's not about what others

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Speaker 1: Tiger's heart. Uh Uh, it's not even Ryan. It's a

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Speaker 1: great word pride, for sure, but it's even more than that.

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Speaker 1: It's just who Tiger is. I mean, this is this

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Speaker 1: dovetails exactly with why you could offer Tiger woods. I

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Speaker 1: would like to thank a billion dollars. And he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: go down that live road because he's someone who looks

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Speaker 1: into the very near past. Uh. A golfer he really

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Speaker 1: and he never thought once about asking for a dispensation. Uh.

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Speaker 1: For cart I think you know Tiger's models or you

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Speaker 1: using carts. And I just think it's central to Tiger's

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Speaker 1: it's it's he Tiger is a is a prisoner of

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Speaker 1: but his mythology is who he is. Uh. So what

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Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, I believe the society that can

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Speaker 1: I totally respect the fact that Tiger doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: and I understand that that's who Tiger is. I guess

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Speaker 1: I I came at it from two completely separate things.

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Speaker 1: Totally understand why Tiger is not taking a cart and

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Speaker 1: mean it's not the same thing. Uh. I just think

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Speaker 1: And obviously we're not talking about the US Open, but

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Speaker 1: interesting Hogan quote Severn Night. As I get older, I've

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Speaker 1: what Tiger is saying here too. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: to Ryan's point, he's not really because he's saying nobody

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Speaker 1: Casey Martin as well, but he is saying to us

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Speaker 1: He's gonna use a cart to the father's son, which

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Speaker 1: is not really in anyone's mind, that different than than

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Speaker 1: Charlie ride in the cart? No, Charlie Watt can Tiger Road.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, is the is the the world challenged that

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Speaker 1: the Father's son. I mean Victor Hovland, yes, but to

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Speaker 1: the world at large, I don't know. Well, Tiger would

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Speaker 1: definitely say yes, you get you may not like it,

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Speaker 1: but you get World Golf Ranking points for the hero,

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Speaker 1: Actually you get a lot of them. Just one cook note.

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Speaker 1: I probably have made this point before, but I've had

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Speaker 1: take the three senior Majors, the US Open, the Senior

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the courts will be the courts,

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Speaker 1: and they'll have a lot to say here, but Live's

426
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Speaker 1: got all the cards because it's got all the money

427
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: and uh and Jay Monahan said that himself in June.

428
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Speaker 1: If this is a fight of up money, we can't

429
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Speaker 1: compete because they've got a lot more money than than

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Speaker 1: we do. So I don't buy it. I don't think

431
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Speaker 1: it's a genuine comment on their part. I think it's

432
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: a clever Stall tactic. Interesting to me, it sort of

433
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: diminishes Rory and Tiger to some degree. But you know,

434
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Speaker 1: Roy has been set up as the conscience of the

435
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 1: sport and this noble um figurehead, and why is he

436
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: why is he rolling around in the mud with Greg

437
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: Norman like he? I think he should be above that.

438
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: And it makes him look kind of small. He's already

439
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: they listened at five ten, he's already about five eight.

440
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: But it makes him look even smaller to me, right,

441
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: because if he's going to go down the road of

442
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: we're actually gonna need to have some kind of compromise here. Uh,

443
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: Greg Norman, no matter what you think of him, he's

444
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Speaker 1: not evil. You just don't agree with him, So it just,

445
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, makes no sense to me. Yeah, And

446
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: I meanwhile, Roy is the one who has been banging

447
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: the drum the loudest about you know, there's gotta be

448
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: a middle ground here, and he thinks that he um

449
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: that he's trying to facilitate the compromise. But I think

450
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: he's complicating it because Norman is very tight with the

451
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: two guys who run the public Investment Fund who who

452
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: are funding Live I mean, they they are thick as thieves,

453
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: and um, I think their allegiance are with Greg. He

454
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: brought them the idea, he's brought it to life. He's

455
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: pushed all the right buttons. I mean, of course he

456
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: said some dumb things along the way, but I don't

457
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: think they're bothered about that. And um, it's been by

458
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Speaker 1: any measure of smashing success, So there they have. I

459
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,239
Speaker 1: think they're committed to Greg Norman. So if if if

460
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Speaker 1: Roy is serious about wanting to compromise, I think this

461
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: just makes it more complex. And I gotta fact check

462
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: twoth things on. I gotta fact check twoth things on

463
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: at the very beginning. At the very beginning, you said

464
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Speaker 1: the Tiger Woods is the g o A t. Not

465
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Speaker 1: everybody who goes to that, And there are people who

466
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Speaker 1: would not agree that this Live Tours a normal year

467
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: has been a quote smashing success. Okay, that's hyperbolic, but

468
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: considering that it did even in exist until March. When

469
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: you look at the players they've signed, you look at

470
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: the amount of traction they've gotten in the media, the

471
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: energy finished smashing success success. Now, as as a competitive

472
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: offering to fans, I think we can all agree it's

473
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: a little lacking. But um, I mean, I think they're

474
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Speaker 1: light years ahead of any where any of us thought

475
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Speaker 1: they would have been. So yeah, and they have arguably

476
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Speaker 1: the best player in the world playing for them, Like

477
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: no one thought any of that was possible. It's ridiculous. Yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: I don't even think there's I think if Cam Smith

479
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Speaker 1: and Rory McIlroy played head to head on ten different

480
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Speaker 1: kinds of courses in ten different conditions, I think I

481
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: think Cam would beat him seven out of ten. So wow, what, Yes, Cams,

482
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Speaker 1: Cam is really good. He just has a gift for

483
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Speaker 1: scoring that you know, Rory. To me, it really comes

484
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Speaker 1: and goes like if and I love Camp, Cama is

485
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of becoming like of all the people, I don't

486
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: really miss a lot of people that have gone to live,

487
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: but Cam is definitely and not only his play obviously,

488
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: but he just seems to be like a down to

489
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: earth kind of dude. Like they had the videotape if

490
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: you guys have saw it on Twitter. Michael's not on Twitter,

491
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: but like he's watching a replay of himself in in

492
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: a bar and there, I mean, he's obviously hammered drunk

493
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean he's just like a good dude

494
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: and like, and then he didn't realize there was a

495
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: third another cut at the Australian Open this week and

496
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: he's like, they said, why did you play bad? And

497
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I had too many beers last night.

498
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: I was I was hungover, like like I I can

499
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: just get down with a guy who's just a dude

500
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Speaker 1: that and it's really good at golf, like, yeah, I

501
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: won last week and I've been partying for a week.

502
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: So I don't want to tell you. Yeah, no, I

503
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: know it's It's gonna be fun to watch him in

504
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 1: the majors next year. As we've talked about before, the

505
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: imports of Majors has gone way up. We're gonna bring

506
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: all these players back together, reunify the game four times

507
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: a week, and the fristion and the energy around the

508
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Speaker 1: Major's is gonna be octacular. And I mean Cam's tailor

509
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: made for augusta national, any firm fiery open course on

510
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: either side of the ocean. Um, I mean, like l

511
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: a country club is not a traditional US open course.

512
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: It's not tight like that. I mean there's there's room

513
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: to play. The green complexes are amazing, Like it's gonna

514
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: be pine Hurstian and that it's gonna be a lot

515
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: of finesse and and and a lot of scoring. And

516
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: like I'm not suggesting Camps it's gonna win the first

517
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: two legs of Grand Slam. But he's dangerous. Oh wait, no,

518
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: the pgs before the gents open now. Anyway, whatever the

519
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: point is, camp Smith is going to be a keynote

520
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: player in the majors and it's just gonna add to

521
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: this whole thing. And to Ryan's point, you know what,

522
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: you know what they have all the they have these

523
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: different criteria for how you win the pit money. They

524
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: should have something for how unpretentious you are, because they're

525
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: also pretentious for Scottie Scheffler. You can't believe it. Cam

526
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: Smith would do very well in that category. You'd be

527
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: the best. So seriously, it's so dull. Yeah, that's well said. Um,

528
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: let's see well thinking thinking about the world of golf

529
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Speaker 1: at large. Um, you know it's big news in Poland's

530
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: like Poland's going crazy. They finally they finally want an

531
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Australian Open Ryan, did you did you call your friends?

532
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: You call your friends anything about Australian Open champ? Can

533
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: you tell us anything about this dude other than he's

534
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: really tall? I just want to know who you call them? Poland?

535
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that's going crazy? It's creative license? Is

536
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: it the novelization? What just happened? We're breathing to life

537
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: what it should feel like now? The reality is they're

538
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: probably not going crazy in Poland, but I hope I

539
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: somewhere they hopefully one bar they're going crazy. Yeah, definitely.

540
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: And though how is golf in Poland? Like, is that

541
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: a popular sporting It's a short season, man, I mean

542
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: it's super short. I would Here's what I learned, Like,

543
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know that people from Poland are called a pole,

544
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: Like I just assumed they were like Polish or Pole.

545
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't have Polish, but uh, Adrian

546
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: Moronk is the first pole. It's weird to say, uh.

547
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: To win on the DP World Tour, he won the

548
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: Irish Open, um, he went to East Tennessee State, he

549
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: played on the Challenge Tour for a long time and

550
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: now he's won the Australian Open and ruined many people

551
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Sunday because they wanted to come see their favorite son,

552
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: Adam Scott roar of Victory and he got demolished by

553
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: a six ft six pole. Well said and perfect. It's

554
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: perfect and not. So It's one thing to win a

555
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: tournament when you went out on the courses like Kingston

556
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: Heath is one of the twenty best courses in the

557
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: world and Victoria, Um, why they played across two courses.

558
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: Victoria's absolutely wonderful. That was Peter Thompson's um kind of

559
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: hang out. There's a great statue him overlooking the course.

560
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: And Victoria is absolutely one off. I'd gladly play there

561
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Speaker 1: the rest of my life every day. So, uh, you know,

562
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: you when you went on these big time courses, Uh,

563
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: it's it's significant. I think that this is the guy

564
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to take seriously. And you know, hanging

565
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: over all of all of these Shamus Powers and these

566
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: other guys who are popping up this year is the

567
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: Ryder Cups. You know, what is it nine months away? Now?

568
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: Like it's things are getting serious, so that the jockeying

569
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: forum for spots on the Ryder Cup has definitely begun

570
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: on the European team and um so uh, I don't know,

571
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: we'll have to do a deep dive on on golf

572
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: and Poland at some point, but he's also playing his

573
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Speaker 1: wine to uh to representing Poland and the Olympics. I

574
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of competition, to be fair.

575
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's great, it's you're gonna represent your country

576
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Speaker 1: and many things. Let's hold on. I will hold while

577
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: you guys talk. I'm gonna see if there's any other

578
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: how many Polish golfers are in the Yeah, well so,

579
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: and we don't have to go down the rabbit hole

580
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Speaker 1: of whether the Olympics are are good for golf or not.

581
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I was in Rio. I was hoping

582
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: to go to to Tokyo, but because of the COVID stuff,

583
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: it just was going to basically be a prisoner of

584
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: a tiny hotel room, so I skipped it. But the

585
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: thing that was cool and Rio was it really meant

586
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: a lot to these golfers to be there. And it

587
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: was a kind of recognition. Uh that is hard to

588
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: come by because they're not going crazy in Poland. Nobody

589
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: even knows this guy won the Australian Open. However, if

590
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: you're an Olympian, that has meaning. You know, like I'm

591
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: sure that Poland is strong and a lot of the

592
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: winter Olympic sports, and you know, the the title Olympian

593
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: has value in places where golf does not have a

594
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: strong culture. And so if he does get to the

595
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: next Games and that goes on his resume, and if

596
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: somehow he has a great week and sneaks out metal

597
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: out like that's monumental, that could change the shape of

598
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: of Polish golf forever. So um, I mean we're sort

599
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: of joking, but like this is where the Olympics is

600
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: really cool because in these countries that do not have

601
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: a rich golf in tradition, um, everyone knows what the

602
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: Olympics are and and everyone knows what a gold in

603
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: the silver and a bronze medal mean. And so witness

604
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: what what did for Rory Sabbattini and Slovakian golf. When

605
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: we go over to report the Polish Golf travelogue, we're

606
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: gonna see what exactly. It did for for the Slovenian

607
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: golf scene. But no, I mean that was that was

608
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: that made that whole thing so much fun. I mean

609
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: Rory Sabattini at the Olympics was that was a gift

610
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Speaker 1: from the content gods. I mean it's I still can't

611
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: believe that happened. And who when Slovenia agreed to it,

612
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: you know who was like, yeah, that's finally probably took

613
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: a totally person to rubber stamp. I don't think it

614
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: was a big bureaucratic process. They were happy to have him,

615
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: Unlike you know, the PGA tour and Roy's brethren over here,

616
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: they're like, yes, please, we love you, come on over.

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Speaker 1: I can't find the new just as this is total sidebar,

618
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: but the new O W g R site is as

619
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: bad as the Kings for the Hero World Challenge. I mean,

620
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: that's site sucks now. It used to be it used

621
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Speaker 1: to be able to find it by country, and I

622
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: can't find it. So I'm just gonna assume that Adrian

623
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: Moronk is the one of the few Polish pros I

624
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: would assume, yeah, right now, But who knows what's coming.

625
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean this this is like savory pack. You could,

626
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: you could change golf forever. You just don't know how

627
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: rich the pipeline is of talent. What's what's happening to

628
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: the Norwegian pipeline? Oh with the victim Yeah, that's a

629
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: good question. I mean that that's the thing is And

630
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: that's another spill over from the Olympics is that you know,

631
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: all all these nations have funding for their Olympic programs.

632
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, they take it very seriously. And now that

633
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: golf is an Olympic sport, I'm sure that all all

634
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: these smaller countries are helping to grow grow the game

635
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: to our favorite phrase, And so you know, Victor Hovland

636
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: is definitely a threat to win, to win a medal

637
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: at the Olympics, and if that were to happen, that

638
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: would be a monumental deal. And um, so yeah, it is.

639
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: It's probably you know, I know, our colleague Jordan press

640
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: Is has wanted to write a big story about all

641
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the different federations and how it all works. And I'm

642
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: going to call her after this podcast because we're raising

643
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: some interesting points here, like what what's bubbling un to

644
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: the surface. You know that anecdotally, when the games went

645
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: to Rio, all the all the national federations in South

646
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: America and Latin America started pumping money into golf because

647
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: they realized, you know, if you if you want to

648
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: compete in a team sport, you need so many players.

649
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: I could try and win a gold medal or even

650
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: a bronze medal in basketball, like you need so much

651
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: talent um, but it only takes one guy with a

652
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: gift to bring home a medal. It's a good investment

653
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: if you're if you're trying to match dollars per medals,

654
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: like golf is a very good investment. You just need

655
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: one guy to do it. And um it doesn't doesn't

656
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: need any teammates, doesn't need you know, uh that much infrastructure.

657
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: So um, I think I think, you know, we may

658
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: be onto something here accidentally that that um there, there's

659
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: there's there's there's stuff happening that you know, beneath the

660
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: surface and all these smaller countries, and it'll be cool

661
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: to see how it plays out. All right, Well, I

662
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: just found I've searching out the w GF for Adrian

663
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: Wronk and Polish players, but I just found out there's

664
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: an Albanian Pro, one Albanian Pro and he made a

665
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: cut in a Canadian Tour event this year. Oh yeah,

666
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: said side. I mean that's the thing. I mean, golf

667
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: is such a meritocracy. If you can if you can shoot,

668
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: keep shooting sixties six is you're gonna find a way

669
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: and and so, um that's what's cool about it. You really,

670
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: you really can blaze your own trail. Adrian Moronk is

671
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: fifty six in the world currently and I mean it's

672
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: gonna be in the top fifty after this win easily.

673
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: I mean it's just wild. He's really I mean East

674
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: Tennessee State. I read a story about him today. Um,

675
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: he was kind of discovered by uh, I can't remember

676
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: the coach's name, but he's a leadbetter disciple and he

677
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: was on a range looking at a bunch of kids

678
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: had no thoughts or didn't even know about Adrian Morancan

679
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: said he saw him at the end of the range

680
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: and he could just tell by the way he was

681
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: hitting it that he was different than the other kids.

682
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: And it's still his coach to this day. That was

683
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: like when he was fifteen years Oldso I went to

684
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: East Tennessee State and then played on the Challenge Toured

685
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: like mediocre for a couple of years, three years, and

686
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: then finally get his card and here he is waxing

687
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: Adam Scott at the OSSI Open And oh, by the way,

688
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: did you note who is on Adam Scott's bag these days? Oh? Steve,

689
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: Steve's back, Michael. I think you have more of a

690
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: relationship with Steve than almost any other writer. It seems

691
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: like he will actually answer your calls or your emails. Like,

692
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: how have you established this chemistry? I don't know, but

693
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I don't know really where it's

694
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: where it started. Maybe the here we at sports Ilustoro

695
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: Al and I were at sports ilistor together we would

696
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: uh sometimes help athletes in different sports, right first person pieces.

697
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: And he wrote a first person piece about about his

698
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: experience as uh catting for for Adam and I interviewed

699
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: him and wrote it up in his voice. But then

700
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: he took it really seriously and he's very bright and uh,

701
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of us have the

702
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: impression but probably rightfully so. They was half a thug,

703
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: uh based on some of his behavior when when he

704
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: was catting for for Tiger Woods he was sort of

705
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: tigers enforcer. But and it's a very significant but there's

706
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: a very thoughtful, intelligent and really really golf knowledgeable side

707
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: about him. I mean there are you know, actually, as

708
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, there are, there are other things as well,

709
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: some of the crude comments he made about Phil Nicholson,

710
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: various other things. But leaving that aside, he's like everybody else.

711
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: You know, there's multiple sides, uh to his personality. And

712
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, Adam Scott, I don't wouldn't

713
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: have a crew thug on his back. He just wouldn't.

714
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, now maybe you know now many of

715
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: us would remember Steve Williams cadding for Adam Scott. Uh al,

716
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: what what was that? What was that open that or

717
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: anyone from the car park? Was that Witham with them? Yeah? Yeah,

718
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: you could you know, you could see Williams was more

719
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: pissed than uh that I'm Scott and Adam Scott was

720
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: plenty of plenty annoyed. Um. But anyway, I just think

721
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: it's it's very telling that Adam Scott would want Steve

722
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: Williams back on his bag. And uh and Alan you

723
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: made this point the other day. There are two caddies

724
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: who are actually really significant figures in this game today

725
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: Stee Williams and Jim Bones McKay. Uh. Uh, it's it's neat.

726
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: It's interesting. They do it very different ways. Uh, but

727
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: uh it's just another way to and for us to

728
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: enjoy the game, you know, seeing these guys in action. Well,

729
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: the ultimate showing of macheesmo and like hyper masculinity was

730
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: Stevie at the Masters were in the white jumpsuit with

731
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: no shirt underneath and just showing all the chest hair

732
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: and like, um, it was like this is it was

733
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: so old school. I wonder if he'll bring it back.

734
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: But I always, like I always was amazed at the

735
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: green jackets. Let him get away with it, but you know,

736
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: it was it was very provocative and uh it's certainly

737
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: you know it kind of fits with its part of

738
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: why why he was a great match for Tiger, because

739
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: Tiger kind of exuded that energy as well, and Stevie

740
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: walked fast. He's a big dude, and you always had

741
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: a scowl and he was always barking at fans, which

742
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: admittedly he kind of needed to do. There was always

743
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: an element of chaos around Tiger, especially in the early years,

744
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: and um, you know it was they were they were

745
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: it was a good pairing, you know, Like I mean,

746
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: Stevie wasn't better shape than Tiger. I remember a Cappalua

747
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: one year. Um, I was just kind of hanging out

748
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: and he came huffing and puffing and drenched in sweat

749
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: and Butch Harmon's are this is like, I don't know,

750
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: Tiger stop playing that tournament pretty quickly. So this was

751
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: late nineties or whatever, and Um Williams they had some

752
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: bet whether he could jog the entire back nine up

753
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: in Debt, which has incredible hills, if he could had

754
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: to go on the cart path and do the entire

755
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: back nine, And it was like in twenty two minutes

756
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: or something insane, and he did it, and he won

757
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: the bet and like took a took a Benji off

758
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: of off of Butch and like, I mean that would

759
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: put any of us in the hospital. But so yeah,

760
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: there was there was some sort of chemistry there with

761
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: with with with him and Tiger that that um fed

762
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I think I bet you Steve Williams,

763
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: in his own way probably has something he quote still

764
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: wants to prove to himself or to golf or whatever

765
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: it might be, because uh, all and I think we've

766
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: talked about this moment and Ryan, I don't think you

767
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: and I ever have, and I don't think too many

768
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: people know about it. But the uh, the open in

769
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: in Northern Ireland that that Shane Lowry wanted at Port Rush.

770
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: Tiger was practicing in the rain. It was insane and

771
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: he had his little entourage around him, including uh, Joela

772
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Cobb and various others and Steve Williams, you know, like

773
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, Tiger's practicing. Stee Williams is walking, you know, uh,

774
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: right from right to left and uh, and he just

775
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: says high to everybody, and everybody acknowledges Steve Williams walking by,

776
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: just in a sort of an appropriate way, and Tiger

777
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: would not stop and even make eye contact with him.

778
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: And he had to know that Steve Williams was there.

779
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: And uh, I think Steve was hurt or piste or both.

780
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: And uh, I can understand why, uh, because they did

781
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of good years together and I think

782
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: sort of their thing is eased over the years as well,

783
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: but obviously not completely. And um, you know, it would

784
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: be interesting to know what really actually his motivating Steve

785
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: Williams to come back at this point. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

786
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's a very righteous dude, right that. That

787
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: was the really the breakup with him and Tiger was

788
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: he had everyone's assumed everyone around Tiger was in on

789
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: on shuttling women in and out. You know, logistically, you're

790
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: just assume they all knew, they all had to know,

791
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: they all had to be enablers. And Steve Williams wanted

792
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: Tiger's camp to put it in one of the public

793
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: statements that Steve had no knowledge of the situation and

794
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: they didn't do it, and he was Steve Bill was

795
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: so piste off about that. That's really why he liked

796
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: in somebody just just quit on Tiger because it was

797
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: his personal betrayal, you know, best man in his wedding,

798
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: and um, he's oh, he had said that consistently. I

799
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: don't have any reason not to believe him, do do you, Ellen, No,

800
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, Um, I have no knowledge of it.

801
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: When the scale of Tiger's infidelity and and know, you

802
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: would think that a lot of people had to know.

803
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: And obviously his buddy Byron Bell was was booking plane

804
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: tickets for Rachel you could tell and stuff like that.

805
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, Tiger was such a mystery

806
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: to everyone. You never you never saw him, you never

807
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: knew we were staying. Like it's quite possible that they

808
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: shook hands at the golf course and they didn't see

809
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: each other until the next morning and so um. But

810
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: based on how how righteous that Stevie was about it,

811
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: it has the ring of truth because that's I feel,

812
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. I'm glad you said what you said,

813
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: because it's it's commonly thought. Uh, now, what is it

814
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: commonly thought? It's commonly thought that Tiger fired Steve Williams.

815
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Is that what people typically think? I

816
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's I think in Hainey's book

817
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear like that that Stevie was the one

818
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: who initiated it, and because she wanted to work for

819
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: Adam Scott, uh, while he was still employed by Tiger Woods,

820
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: he went to work for the enemy, and that was

821
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: tantamount of quitting. That was quitting. Yeah. But then but yeah,

822
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they never recovered from the scandal, and that

823
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: was such a strain. I mean, I think I don't

824
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: think working around Scott wasn't the cause. That was the

825
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: symptom but um, it is an interesting footnote. And it's

826
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: funny that we're trying to ascertain the the motivations of

827
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: a caddy. On some level, they're just carrying the bag

828
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: and they're just there too, but not in this case.

829
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: You're right, he had he has a different station in

830
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: the game and you and so there's another It's just

831
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: a layer of intrigue there. And it's kind of weird, Alan,

832
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: even to be talking about quote that the scandal now

833
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: because you know, and Alan, you and I have talked

834
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 1: about this for for what getting on ten years now,

835
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: But it's so obscene our our our interest in Tiger's

836
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: sex life, you know, I mean honestly, I thought it

837
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: then and I still think it now. And when you

838
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: think about this whole it took on on on Tiger's life.

839
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean, what right was that of anybody's to be

840
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 1: exploring his private life like the uh? But it really

841
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: did turn his life upside down, and you know, and

842
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: and and and now you know here you know, this

843
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: is a totally different thing. But but that car crash,

844
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: uh two years ago, Um, it turned Tiger's life upside down.

845
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: And now that it's a different scenario altogether, and that's

846
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: something people never talk about, and I can understand why

847
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: because it's so depressing. But well, Mike went super Michael

848
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: went super serious. But I agree, Uh, Tiger and who

849
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: he's banging is between him and his wife at that time,

850
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: and uh, I just I never got it. I never

851
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: got the apology. He didn't know me anything. Uh he

852
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: owed his wife and kids an apology, not me, And

853
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: I just never got it and the like. And that's

854
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: why I just don't get Stevie Williams being I guess

855
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be involved for what reason, he

856
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: had nothing to like, I would never think differently of

857
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: Stevie Williams if he did or did not know about it.

858
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't get that. I never got

859
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: the whole scandal. Like again, it's is it right now?

860
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: Of course not, but maybe the greatest athlete of all

861
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: time across any sport, and that scandal had a profound

862
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: effect on his career and is on the golf course performance.

863
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: So that's where it becomes. It seeps into the public view. Um,

864
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: because it completely derailed that the greatest golfer who's ever lived.

865
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: And UM, I guess that part I agree with Hilan,

866
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: But I just don't like the apology. Yeah, derailed his career, okay,

867
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: And yeah it was like some weird text messages and

868
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff was like I'm not saying we have

869
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: a right to know, and the whole thing was way

870
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: over the top. But you know, when Tigers out there

871
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: selling buicks and he's got you know, kids buckle up

872
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: in the back seat, and if that's the image you're selling,

873
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: and and then I think what America hates more than

874
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: anything is a hypocrite. So if you're selling yourself as

875
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: a family guy and and this paragon of of of

876
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: golfing gentlemen and all these virtues, and then it comes

877
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: out that in fact, you're something else. That's why. You know,

878
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: if like Derek Jeter was out on the town every

879
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: night with a different girl, nobody cared he was a bachelor.

880
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: That was part of his brand. But when you're you know,

881
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: when you when you pass yourself off as something that

882
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: you're not, that's I think where where people um object

883
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: and they felt they felt betrayed. And you know, again

884
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: was the Tiger's idea to have that bubick commercial. Like

885
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of forces that he probably

886
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: just got swept up in and even in the moment

887
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: when he's feeling he's probably like, oh, this is kind

888
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: of this kind of weird, but you just you just

889
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: go with it, and I'm glad you made that point.

890
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: And and many did at the time, and many would today.

891
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Uh Uh. He was selling himself as one thing and

892
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: he really was something else. Uh, and that put people

893
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: on edge. I would still go back to what Nicholas

894
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: said at the time. You know, it's his private life,

895
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, why why should we care? But there's a

896
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: lot to be said for what you for what you

897
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: just said. Yeah, And I mean the thing is that

898
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: the reason we're so invested in golfers, it's not because

899
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: one hits a seven iron better than the other. It's

900
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Tiger's whole story. It's you know, growing up

901
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: not being feeling welcome at that these at these private clubs,

902
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: and Earl Janglin, the change in his back swing and

903
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: the hug at Augusta, like, it's it's their private lives

904
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: and their family lives that frame the whole story, you know,

905
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: just like why was the Nine Masters meaningful? It's because

906
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, Ben Crenshaw and Harvey Peanick, and you know,

907
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: it's like we care about athletes as human beings, like,

908
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: but that's why we're invested in their story, and right

909
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: or wrong, that's just how it is, you know, I

910
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: mean Phil winning the two thousand and ten Masters, Well,

911
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: Amy has cancer, Like that's why everyone was crying. And

912
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: so when when you have the heartwarming stories and you

913
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: have these great victories and they're defined by the personal

914
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: lives and the family life and and you know, the

915
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: players dine out on that for a long time, but

916
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 1: then there's a there's another side to that when when

917
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: you when you run astray and there's the drugs, and

918
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: there's the girls and there's all this other stuff, then

919
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: that's gonna be part of the story too. And so

920
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: you can't only you can't only write about athletes when

921
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: the warm and fuzzy things, because it's it's their personal

922
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: stories that are so compelling. I mean, looking back on

923
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: the scandal and all of it, is this is very

924
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: like just a personal feeling, is it. It made me

925
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: like Tiger more from the standpoint if we had him

926
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: on this pedestal as some perfect person and he's flawed

927
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: just like all of us, and he seems to be

928
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: a better father. Maybe he has a possibly addiction issues

929
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. But that's all we even all these people

930
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: my aunt was an addict. Uh, we all know somebody

931
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: who is an addict. Like he seems to be a

932
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: her father, he seems to be a better girlfriend. Do

933
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: we know that for sure? No, I don't know. It's

934
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: not my business. But it seems to be that the

935
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: scandal and the accident and his addiction is he's a

936
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: flawed dude. And that's okay, we're all flawed. Like it's

937
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: it made me like Tiger more. Not the things he did,

938
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: just that he was flawed. He screwed up, and he

939
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: tried to become a better person, it seems so I

940
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. Like who he's banging is just

941
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: not my business. Yeah, I fully agree with that. It's um,

942
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: but it's it's interesting. I mean, that was what thirteen

943
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: years ago now, right, It all it all went, It

944
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: all went parachaped around Thanksgiving and into early December, and um,

945
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: it's one of the great what ifs in in sports history, Like, uh,

946
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: what if Tiger never hit the fire hydrant, you know,

947
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: and if that stuff had never gone public? And um,

948
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: who knows where he would be and um, you know

949
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: the addiction issues that followed, is that is that related

950
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: to lingering, depression and shame and all these things like

951
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: who knows? It's it's it's a wild turn of events

952
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: and we're we're not psychologists. We just played them on

953
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: the internet, but it's, um, it's hard not to wonder

954
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: how things would have been different. I hope one day

955
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: that Tiger writes his true feelings, not because like we

956
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: deserve it now or what was happening behind the scenes,

957
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: just like what he felt was it depression? Was it?

958
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: You know, like he was held up to this being

959
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: a perfect person, and you know he was obviously I'm

960
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: sure in some ways ashamed of the things that he

961
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: was doing behind his wife's back and those kind of things.

962
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: I would I would just be super interested, But obviously

963
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: it's never gonna happen because he's he's a uh you know,

964
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: he represents so many brands and those kind of things.

965
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: He's just very you know, defensive about not defensive, but

966
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: he just isn't very open. But I would love to

967
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: hear about what led up to, you know, the things

968
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, just of of what what he went

969
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: through why he felt the things that he did. So, wow,

970
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: this is a heavy this got heavy. Well you know

971
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: Ryan that that entire one point was signed up to

972
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: write a book with a writer who is like a psychoanalyst,

973
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: guy named j. D. J D. Morrainger j R. J R. Moranger. Uh,

974
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen. But Moranger wrote Aggacy and wrote

975
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: Phield Knight and uh to sign up with Morangers to say,

976
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to spill the beans to you

977
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: and not spill the beans that's a cressphrase, just be

978
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: truthful and examine my life. And in the end for

979
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: different reasons, I'm sure it it's either on hold or

980
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: isn't going to happen. It's not gonna happen. Um. Yeah,

981
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: well it's fascinating. It's it's left to the novelists imagination

982
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: to kind of wonder some of these things. I will

983
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: say that there is enough out there called The Swinger

984
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: to the guys on this podcast typed it and it

985
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: does go into the heart and mind of a cross

986
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: cultural golfing icon who's life is torn asunder by a

987
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: tabled fueled sex scandal. So um, there are some there

988
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: are some answers in that book, I think if those

989
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: are interested. Um, but it's interesting because you know, we

990
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: we've got a sports enter in that book who says,

991
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, uh, what can a job of you guys

992
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: doing if you just weren't telling us anything about the

993
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: guy that you were covering, which we weren't. So I mean,

994
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: you made a very very good point out and it's

995
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: it's really easy for me to forget that big, broad,

996
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: major point because they're not politicians, they're not clergyman. They're

997
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: just professional athletes. Um, but they are sort of duping

998
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: the public. They are professional salesman and just just one

999
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: general thought if I may, uh, and I we're probably

1000
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: wrapping up here, But When You Live has brought a

1001
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: lot of emotion to a lot of us in a

1002
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. And one reason is we don't

1003
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: like to think of professional golfers or maybe I should

1004
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: speak for myself as grubby as money hungry, as why

1005
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: I want the money. It's not supposed to be like that,

1006
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: or we don't think. I don't think it's supposed to

1007
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: be like that, but it turns out it is like that,

1008
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: and personally I find it disappointing. I shouldn't be surprised

1009
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 1: at sixty two, but I am there. You go, UM, yeah,

1010
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: well this is the thing about the Fire Drill podcast.

1011
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: And we start in in Poland and we wind up

1012
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: in Tiger's Psyche, so you never know. Just for the record,

1013
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: I want to make it clear to that I want

1014
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: I finally found there's two players on the O W

1015
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: g R from Poland with points. Okay, there's a bunch listed,

1016
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: but none of them have points. So there's two. It's

1017
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: Adrian Irk and some guy in the challenge to her.

1018
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: So he is going to change. He is going to

1019
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: change Polish golf forever. Adrian Morroc agent of change. I

1020
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: love it. Um. Before we let the listeners go, we

1021
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: should mention that, UM, if you've come this far, you

1022
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: seem to enjoy our podcasts. And here at the at

1023
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 1: the fire pick like that. We have another podcast, need

1024
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,479
Speaker 1: a fourth It's Michael and myself Jeff Ogilvie. We bring

1025
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: in a different guest every week. Um. They drop on Wednesdays.

1026
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: This week is a guy named Brando Shamblee, very polarizing

1027
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: Golf Channel analyst. Um, and it was I'll let you Michael.

1028
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for you, but I thought

1029
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: it was a fascinating conversation where we saw different sides. Literally,

1030
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: he was so thoughtful and um and you know on

1031
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: air he could be confrontational and spicy, but he he

1032
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: was just I think he just enjoyed talking about the

1033
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: golf swing, talking to Jeff and nerd ing out And

1034
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts about that that pod? I totally

1035
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: agree it was, you know, he The thing that made

1036
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: Brandon Brandle is he loves golf, and he loves the

1037
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: golf swing and and he went deep, you know, probably

1038
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: and large arcosh Jeff was there, and j and Jeff

1039
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: speak the same language if you like Michael Murphy, and

1040
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: that was really special. And I'm not comparing Brandon with

1041
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: Michael Murphy, totally different personality types, but it's really an

1042
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: opportunity to here Brandal I would say that is best.

1043
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: It's terrific. Yeah, I think that's what makes the show

1044
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: as a listener may include, but like as a listener,

1045
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: that's what makes it the show good. Like Joel Damon's

1046
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: goofy and also like introspective, you know, like funny, and

1047
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: and Michael Murphy's like Mike Murphy's way too deep for me,

1048
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: but like people loved it and uh, Brandall Chambley is

1049
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: going to be very good. So I mean, like that's

1050
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: what makes the show is like you're you're not going

1051
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: to get you know, the same person, You're gonna get

1052
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: people nording out and very deep and funny, and I

1053
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: mean it's it's great, it's great. I'm obviously biased. Well

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Speaker 1: thank you, Ryan, So all right, this was another Sunday

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Speaker 1: Fire drill. Um, we appreciate the listeners sticking with us

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Speaker 1: here to the bitter end. We do these pretty much

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Speaker 1: every week. Um, the digressions are fun. Definitely didn't think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go in the direction we did with Tiger,

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Speaker 1: but that that was fun. I mean we haven't actually

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Speaker 1: haven't talked to thought about Tiger in that depth in

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Speaker 1: a while, and he's just he's the defining athlete of

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Speaker 1: our lives and our careers and we could we could

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Speaker 1: talk about Tiger forever, and it's it's always always changing,

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Speaker 1: it's always evolving, and it's it's always interesting. So um

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Speaker 1: for Ryan French, who's somewhere in Middle America, Michael Bamberger,

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Speaker 1: who's we never know where he is on disclosed location,

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Speaker 1: on disclosed Locasis. This is Alan Schipnuk in California. This

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Speaker 1: was the Fire Drop Podcast and we're back at it

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Speaker 1: next week. Thanks for listening. Bendig play Win made a fortunately,

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Speaker 1: ran the table and thought I could fall. Then win

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Speaker 1: At hit me like a cannon the ball and now

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Speaker 1: I can't shake this losing the street. Every road I

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Speaker 1: take is a dead end street. I got thoughts in

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Speaker 1: my head, can't get him out, trying not to think

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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. I got thoughts in my head,

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Speaker 1: can't get him out, and trying not to think what

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about