Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Saturday, November first, and the
Speaker 1: Royal formerly known as Prince is waking up today for
Speaker 1: the first time as just good old Andrew. And with that,
Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. Is
Speaker 1: this it now? Prince Andrew is no longer Prince Andrew?
Speaker 1: Is this the ultimate humiliation?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Is the answer. That is the absolute answer. He is
Speaker 3: now Andrew mount Baton Windsor.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: So it was one thing too, or at least for
Speaker 3: him to voluntarily give up the Duke of York.
Speaker 1: Title, which is just what a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's another thing completely to have your own brother,
Speaker 3: the king strip you not only of Prince Andrew but
Speaker 3: also I mean, he was known as the Earl of Inverness,
Speaker 3: the Baron Killiele, a Night Grand Cross of the Royal
Speaker 3: Victorian Order. He was the Royal Knight, companion of the
Speaker 3: most Noble Order of the Garter. He lost everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, nobody gives a damn or I ever heard about
Speaker 1: any of those others. I don't know how big of
Speaker 1: a deal they are in over the UK. But Prince Andrew,
Speaker 1: he could have given up everything. This was the one
Speaker 1: we talked about was his birth right simply by who
Speaker 1: his mama is. Prince is not going to be taken
Speaker 1: away from you. I'm trying to find rogues, the proper context,
Speaker 1: and maybe it needs to be historical, the proper context
Speaker 1: were how big of a deal it is just for
Speaker 1: this to happen.
Speaker 3: So the last time a royal was stripped of his
Speaker 3: title was more than one hundred years ago. It was
Speaker 3: back in nineteen seventeen a prince had his title removed
Speaker 3: when Prince Charles Edward, that was one of Queen Victoria's grandsons.
Speaker 3: He had the title Duke of Albany Well. It was
Speaker 3: stripped from him by the British Parliament after he fought
Speaker 3: in World War One for Germany.
Speaker 2: Nice, okay, so he was in Nazi.
Speaker 1: Okay, he was essentially a trader. And that's the last time.
Speaker 1: Somebody correct, but that.
Speaker 3: Is the last time someone was stripped a royal was
Speaker 3: stripped of their title.
Speaker 1: So this is a big deal for that reason. The
Speaker 1: next step with that that was parliament. How difficult is
Speaker 1: that and how does this add to this story and
Speaker 1: the devastation of it. That is his brother who was
Speaker 1: doing this, So.
Speaker 3: Of course I mean, look, the royal family has been
Speaker 3: dealing with this, even between brothers Prince William and Prince Harry,
Speaker 3: which is incredibly sad given what happened of course to
Speaker 3: their mother, that those two had each other no matter what,
Speaker 3: and to see that separation happen is really, really, really sad.
Speaker 3: So Prince Harry's no longer a working royal and all
Speaker 3: of that, and now to have this happen between Queen
Speaker 3: Elizabeth's own sons and her grandsons, I can't imagine.
Speaker 2: Like, obviously she's passed.
Speaker 3: And that's probably a good thing in the sense that
Speaker 3: no one could ever imagine wanting to witness the division
Speaker 3: like that severe between brothers and then between grandsons who
Speaker 3: are brothers.
Speaker 2: Like, that's tough, that's hard.
Speaker 3: That's hard in any family, especially in a family where
Speaker 3: everyone is looking too and.
Speaker 1: Towards Okay, and we're talking about it. I guess on
Speaker 1: a human level, there's a human there's an emotion there
Speaker 1: that that's family, that's blood. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: people say a whole lot more should happen to Prince
Speaker 1: former Prince Andrew than just having the title prince taken away.
Speaker 1: They believe he should be prosecuted. They believe he does
Speaker 1: deserve to be in prison. They believe he's a monster
Speaker 1: who actually prayed on kids. Correct, Let's be clear here,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy who's accused of sexual assault
Speaker 1: on children, a child molester, alongside Jeffrey Epstein. It's to
Speaker 1: that level. So I don't want to get lost here
Speaker 1: about oh so sweet family motions.
Speaker 3: Yes, this isn't a Yes, that's a very good point.
Speaker 3: And there is a group specifically, an anti monarchy group
Speaker 3: called Republican Republic excuse me, and they are leading the
Speaker 3: charge for Andrew to face criminal charges. And this is
Speaker 3: what they said in response to King Charles's decision to
Speaker 3: strip Andrew of the title Prince, among all the other
Speaker 3: titles he's lost, they said, let's be very clear, Prince
Speaker 3: Andrew now Andrew Mountain Baton Windsor is not facing justice.
Speaker 3: He's not being held to account. Losing silly titles is
Speaker 3: not an answer to very serious accusations of sexual offenses
Speaker 3: and corruption in public office.
Speaker 1: Silly titles. I think that was a nice thing to
Speaker 1: throw in there. Big deal. It's kind of what they're saying.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew he was a part of all this stuff. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that prince is a big deal. He's being
Speaker 1: kicked out of the royal family and robes. He's literally
Speaker 1: been kicked out of his house to that point. Now
Speaker 1: again it's public humiliation. I know they wanted to go farther,
Speaker 1: but this is I don't know how many more blows
Speaker 1: he can take after this. This is the ultimate one
Speaker 1: and this is it short of prosecution. Yes, for me, when.
Speaker 3: He got served eviction papers, that was the big oh wow,
Speaker 3: even more so than the titles. And that's just from
Speaker 3: my American perspective. It's one thing to take a title
Speaker 3: away from your brother. It's another thing to say and
Speaker 3: now get the hell out. That felt extra ouch. And
Speaker 3: by the way, when you kick Andrew out, you also
Speaker 3: have to kick for Yepp. She's been living with Andrew
Speaker 3: for the past twenty years, despite their divorce.
Speaker 2: So here's the deal.
Speaker 3: A lot of folks in Great Britain and the UK
Speaker 3: have been complaining about this because he's no longer a
Speaker 3: working royal, he hasn't been for a while, and yet
Speaker 3: he's living there. Basically it seems as though it's been
Speaker 3: rent free. No one's been able to point to any
Speaker 3: actual payment of rent he's made while living there, and
Speaker 3: certainly that is the people's residence as well, because this
Speaker 3: is all tax dollars fund the Royal family in this
Speaker 3: particular situation where they were so yeah, to have him
Speaker 3: now be booted out of that residence is a huge,
Speaker 3: huge deal.
Speaker 1: Isn't he moving though? Isn't he moving to a private another?
Speaker 1: It's a private residence, but it's still a family residence,
Speaker 1: is the right correct?
Speaker 3: So Andrew is moving out of Royal Lodge, but he
Speaker 3: is moving into or onto a property on the Sandringham,
Speaker 3: a state that's about one hundred miles north of London.
Speaker 2: It's privately owned by the British.
Speaker 3: Monarch, so it's not a member of or it's not
Speaker 3: a part of any of their public assets. So his
Speaker 3: new accommodation I think it's like twenty thousand acres. So
Speaker 3: there are several different places where he could end up
Speaker 3: living or moving into. But they claim he will be
Speaker 3: privately funded by King Charles himself, like he will actually
Speaker 3: get an allowance from King Charles and he will actually
Speaker 3: be living there at the King's private preference.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's his brother. I mean we
Speaker 1: have to say, he's never been found guilty of anything.
Speaker 1: He has denied any allegation from start to finish. So
Speaker 1: I mean, what's his life going to be? How is
Speaker 1: he going to live out his day? He's got two daughters, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, and they say even though and by the way,
Speaker 3: Princess Eugenie and Princess Beatrice, they are not affected in
Speaker 3: any way. Their titles remain intact. They are still in
Speaker 3: good standing so to speak, with the royal family. But
Speaker 3: still to have your father publicly called out like this
Speaker 3: and humiliated, to have your mother being kicked out of
Speaker 3: the home she's lived in for the past twenty years,
Speaker 3: you can't believe that this won't have some sort of
Speaker 3: impact on they're feeling about fitting in or being around
Speaker 3: Charles and William, who most believe William actually had a
Speaker 3: huge impact on his father, the King, on making these decisions,
Speaker 3: these tough decisions about Andrew. And so it'd be hard
Speaker 3: to imagine that there wouldn't be some sort of underlying tension.
Speaker 2: That's just got to be tough going forward.
Speaker 3: At any family function and people, there will be cameras,
Speaker 3: people will be watching, people will be looking at facial expressions.
Speaker 3: This will be watched closely.
Speaker 1: I kind of remember I thought there was something what
Speaker 1: they did announced where the limited times he's going to
Speaker 1: be welcomed to some things. I can't remember which. I
Speaker 1: think it might have been one or maybe it tops
Speaker 1: two events a year that he's actually welcome to come
Speaker 1: to and be a part of the family. Man, that's
Speaker 1: that family. Just it's it's always a mess and a
Speaker 1: scandal here or there. I mean the scrutiny there under.
Speaker 1: You can imagine in the fascination we all have with
Speaker 1: them and the tabloids there we talk about Tabloyd's here
Speaker 1: they are the originators.
Speaker 3: Oh there's nothing more brutal or just more thorough, I
Speaker 3: would say, than a British tabloid.
Speaker 1: So with all that, it's just it's sad sometimes and
Speaker 1: I think the most you can look at it is
Speaker 1: entertainment to a certain degree for a lot of folks.
Speaker 1: But this is still a family. And I think the
Speaker 1: most heartbreaking part was the boys. Man, to see the
Speaker 1: boys not doing well, it's tough, Eric William not okay,
Speaker 1: after all that the world put their alms around those boys.
Speaker 3: Right, It's really sad anytime you see family members either
Speaker 3: fighting or unable to stick up for one another. It's
Speaker 3: tough to watch, certainly, And in terms of what's next
Speaker 3: for Andrew, I think most people believe he will just
Speaker 3: go off into the sunset and perhaps not be heard
Speaker 3: from or seen much. Again, some are calling for more
Speaker 3: action to be taken, though you know, I didn't realize this.
Speaker 2: There are even.
Speaker 3: Streets named after Andrew all throughout the UK. Ireland in particular,
Speaker 3: there's a Prince Andrew Way, there is in Belfast a
Speaker 3: Prince Andrew Park, a Prince Andrew Gardens, Prince Andrew Crescent,
Speaker 3: and some of these signs have been defaced.
Speaker 2: In recent years.
Speaker 3: So now there's a big call to have all of
Speaker 3: these streets remab But there isn't a Prince Andrew anymore,
Speaker 3: doesn't exist, So that would make a lot of sense,
Speaker 3: all right. Well, when we come back look the timing
Speaker 3: of all of this, Yes, that's a little bit confusing
Speaker 3: in a way because obviously we've been talking about Andrew's
Speaker 3: connection to Jeffrey Epstein now for years and years and years.
Speaker 3: Why now all of this sudden focus on Andrew's role
Speaker 3: in this scandal. Well, there was a book that came
Speaker 3: out just last week and now Virginia Giuffrey's family is
Speaker 3: speaking out about all of the reaction and all that's
Speaker 3: happened to Prince Andrew. We continue our conversation about the
Speaker 3: fall of Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew. I always
Speaker 3: think about the artists formally known as Prince and then
Speaker 3: I think, we know we're talking about Andrew or the
Speaker 3: guy formally known as Prince.
Speaker 1: I had to get it write a couple because you
Speaker 1: want to say the prince formally.
Speaker 2: Known as well or the artist formally known as Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: The royal formally known is he still a He is
Speaker 1: still a royal.
Speaker 3: He was born into the royal family, so he is
Speaker 3: a royal. He's just no longer a prince, so he
Speaker 3: is moving out. But this was such an emotional last
Speaker 3: few days for the family members of Virginia Roberts Giuffrey.
Speaker 2: She was the original.
Speaker 3: She was the young woman who stood up and was
Speaker 3: courageous and pointed the finger not only directly at Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 3: but specific at Prince Andrew. And she's the one who
Speaker 3: put that photo forward that showed him with his arm
Speaker 3: around her. She says she was just seventeen years old
Speaker 3: at the time. When she claims that she was sexually
Speaker 3: assaulted by him, basically passed off handed over to him
Speaker 3: by Jeffrey Epstein, and she said it happened three times,
Speaker 3: and she went into great detail in her posthumous memoir
Speaker 3: that was released earlier this month, and a lot of
Speaker 3: that focus and refocus went back to Andrew, and we
Speaker 3: finally saw the royal family stand up and make decisions
Speaker 3: that they had not made for years.
Speaker 1: Wait did he because he came out himself and said
Speaker 1: he was giving up all of his titles. What was
Speaker 1: the timing with the.
Speaker 2: Book, Oh, it was around the same time.
Speaker 1: Before after, it was during the reaction.
Speaker 3: It was before the book came out, but excerpts had
Speaker 3: already been released. Several media outlets already had pre release
Speaker 3: copies and were already writing about the role of Andrew.
Speaker 2: That he was mentioned.
Speaker 3: I believe it was eighty times over a four hundred
Speaker 3: page book, so they knew, they knew it was coming.
Speaker 3: Details and certain aspects of this story that were just
Speaker 3: going to be heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: And in his statement at the time, he again denied
Speaker 1: that he had he did anything, but he came off
Speaker 1: looking like it was for the good of the family.
Speaker 3: He yes, his whole and I think this was an
Speaker 3: attempt by the royal family. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people believe this was They were trying to get ahead
Speaker 3: of it. They knew it was coming, they knew the
Speaker 3: renewed scrutiny was coming, and so they thought, Okay, if
Speaker 3: Andrew steps up, doesn't admit any wrongdoing, but at least
Speaker 3: acknowledges that there were some bad choices by him and
Speaker 3: decided to voluntarily for the good of the family, for
Speaker 3: the good of the royals, not be referred to as
Speaker 3: Duke of York anymore, that that would satiate this public
Speaker 3: demand for some sort of accountability or justice.
Speaker 2: That didn't work, and I think.
Speaker 3: That's why we saw it was they made a couple
Speaker 3: different attempts to soften the blow, but ultimately this was
Speaker 3: the reality.
Speaker 1: You know, is there going to be a push for
Speaker 1: more now? Right? Because he gave up all of those titles.
Speaker 1: The reason he didn't give up friends He couldn't. It
Speaker 1: was his birthright. Parliament could do it, or it would
Speaker 1: take an act like the King has now done. So
Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing more to be done. And yes,
Speaker 1: some people yelled at the time, no, he should prince
Speaker 1: should be taken away. Okay, now that's taken away. Well
Speaker 1: they see this as a victory and go asked for more.
Speaker 3: They may, and there already are people doing it. It'll
Speaker 3: just depend on how loud those voices get. But just
Speaker 3: remember King Charles's move to strip him, to strip Andrew
Speaker 3: of his title of prints comes just a week after
Speaker 3: Virginia Jeffrey's book was released, Nobody's Girl, and the family
Speaker 3: of Virginia jew Ray has reacted.
Speaker 2: Her brother Sky Roberts.
Speaker 3: Has been all over the television camera saying Virginia should
Speaker 3: be here, she should be the one speaking.
Speaker 2: But here was their official statement.
Speaker 3: Today, an ordinary American girl from an ordinary American family
Speaker 3: brought down a British prince with her truth and extraordinary courage.
Speaker 3: Our sister, a child when she was sexually assaulted by Andrew,
Speaker 3: never stopped fighting for accountability for what had happened to
Speaker 3: her and to countless other survivors like her. Today she
Speaker 3: declares victory.
Speaker 1: Don't you know what I that victory part at the end?
Speaker 1: Why why does she have to die? I mean, why
Speaker 1: the book a dead woman's book and now somebody acted?
Speaker 1: What was it? I mean, I don't get She's been
Speaker 1: saying this stuff for a long time, a long long time.
Speaker 1: She's dead. Now posthumously a book comes out. You know what, now,
Speaker 1: now we'll take it seriously. I don't know what's new,
Speaker 1: what's different? What did the royal family find out about him?
Speaker 1: That they didn't know?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: They still probably know more than we do what happened.
Speaker 2: It just it makes you feel.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel sick to my stomach that someone
Speaker 3: as beautiful as Virginia who went into hiding. She went
Speaker 3: to Australia to get away from Jeffrey Epstein, to get
Speaker 3: away from powerful men who she knew owned her in
Speaker 3: a way, and she found out time and time again
Speaker 3: that when she did speak up, she only put herself
Speaker 3: in danger. She didn't she wasn't believed. To know that
Speaker 3: she's believed now after such a huge price has been paid,
Speaker 3: is so gutting.
Speaker 2: It's so sad.
Speaker 3: And to know how loudly she was speaking, how proudly
Speaker 3: she was speaking, how bravely she was doing it, and
Speaker 3: to still have ultimately succumbed to the pressure, the bullying,
Speaker 3: the fear, all of the things that she lived with.
Speaker 2: It ended up being.
Speaker 3: Her undoing but I don't know to have her. I
Speaker 3: can't imagine what it would be like to be her brother,
Speaker 3: her family members to recognize how big of a deal
Speaker 3: this is and how sad it is that she isn't
Speaker 3: here to see it.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's right, the trade off. I would prefer her
Speaker 1: be here and him still be a prince.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I still would prefer that it shouldn't take her death
Speaker 1: before somebody pays attention to what she was saying. That
Speaker 1: part after the fact stuff and victory, and I get
Speaker 1: what they're saying and why, but this is the victory
Speaker 1: shouldn't come at the cost of her life. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: all that far sucks. We were talking about the chess
Speaker 1: player recently that died they think possibly by suicide. And
Speaker 1: now everybody's now to.
Speaker 3: Do something about the bullying and wanting to do something
Speaker 3: about calling people on their bullying tactics.
Speaker 1: Nothing about the stories of change other than somebody's dead
Speaker 1: and now we can pay attention. That's tough.
Speaker 3: It is tough, but there are so many lessons here,
Speaker 3: and this is a huge deal.
Speaker 2: This is the.
Speaker 3: First time in more than a century we have seen
Speaker 3: something like this happen in the royal family.
Speaker 2: It is certainly worth noting.
Speaker 3: And look, I know it might be too little, too late,
Speaker 3: but it is at least good to see there being
Speaker 3: some sort of accountability taking place. It might not be
Speaker 3: the perfect way or actual justice, but it's something and
Speaker 3: it was significant.
Speaker 2: And with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening
Speaker 2: to us. I'm Amy Robock alongside Tjilmes. We'll talk to
Speaker 2: you soon.