1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Saturday, November first, and the 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Royal formerly known as Prince is waking up today for 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: the first time as just good old Andrew. And with that, 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. Is 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: this it now? Prince Andrew is no longer Prince Andrew? 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Is this the ultimate humiliation? 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: Yes? 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 3: Is the answer. That is the absolute answer. He is 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: now Andrew mount Baton Windsor. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Yes. 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: So it was one thing too, or at least for 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 3: him to voluntarily give up the Duke of York. 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Title, which is just what a couple of weeks ago. 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's another thing completely to have your own brother, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: the king strip you not only of Prince Andrew but 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: also I mean, he was known as the Earl of Inverness, 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: the Baron Killiele, a Night Grand Cross of the Royal 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: Victorian Order. He was the Royal Knight, companion of the 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: most Noble Order of the Garter. He lost everything. 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: Okay, nobody gives a damn or I ever heard about 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: any of those others. I don't know how big of 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: a deal they are in over the UK. But Prince Andrew, 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: he could have given up everything. This was the one 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: we talked about was his birth right simply by who 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: his mama is. Prince is not going to be taken 26 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: away from you. I'm trying to find rogues, the proper context, 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: and maybe it needs to be historical, the proper context 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: were how big of a deal it is just for 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: this to happen. 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: So the last time a royal was stripped of his 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: title was more than one hundred years ago. It was 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: back in nineteen seventeen a prince had his title removed 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: when Prince Charles Edward, that was one of Queen Victoria's grandsons. 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: He had the title Duke of Albany Well. It was 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: stripped from him by the British Parliament after he fought 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: in World War One for Germany. 37 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: Nice, okay, so he was in Nazi. 38 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: Okay, he was essentially a trader. And that's the last time. 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: Somebody correct, but that. 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 3: Is the last time someone was stripped a royal was 41 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: stripped of their title. 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: So this is a big deal for that reason. The 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: next step with that that was parliament. How difficult is 44 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: that and how does this add to this story and 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: the devastation of it. That is his brother who was 46 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: doing this, So. 47 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 3: Of course I mean, look, the royal family has been 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: dealing with this, even between brothers Prince William and Prince Harry, 49 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: which is incredibly sad given what happened of course to 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: their mother, that those two had each other no matter what, 51 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: and to see that separation happen is really, really, really sad. 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: So Prince Harry's no longer a working royal and all 53 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: of that, and now to have this happen between Queen 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: Elizabeth's own sons and her grandsons, I can't imagine. 55 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: Like, obviously she's passed. 56 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: And that's probably a good thing in the sense that 57 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: no one could ever imagine wanting to witness the division 58 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: like that severe between brothers and then between grandsons who 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: are brothers. 60 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: Like, that's tough, that's hard. 61 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: That's hard in any family, especially in a family where 62 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: everyone is looking too and. 63 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: Towards Okay, and we're talking about it. I guess on 64 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: a human level, there's a human there's an emotion there 65 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: that that's family, that's blood. There are a lot of 66 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: people say a whole lot more should happen to Prince 67 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: former Prince Andrew than just having the title prince taken away. 68 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: They believe he should be prosecuted. They believe he does 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: deserve to be in prison. They believe he's a monster 70 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: who actually prayed on kids. Correct, Let's be clear here, 71 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy who's accused of sexual assault 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: on children, a child molester, alongside Jeffrey Epstein. It's to 73 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: that level. So I don't want to get lost here 74 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: about oh so sweet family motions. 75 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: Yes, this isn't a Yes, that's a very good point. 76 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 3: And there is a group specifically, an anti monarchy group 77 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: called Republican Republic excuse me, and they are leading the 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: charge for Andrew to face criminal charges. And this is 79 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: what they said in response to King Charles's decision to 80 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: strip Andrew of the title Prince, among all the other 81 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: titles he's lost, they said, let's be very clear, Prince 82 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: Andrew now Andrew Mountain Baton Windsor is not facing justice. 83 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: He's not being held to account. Losing silly titles is 84 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 3: not an answer to very serious accusations of sexual offenses 85 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: and corruption in public office. 86 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: Silly titles. I think that was a nice thing to 87 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: throw in there. Big deal. It's kind of what they're saying. 88 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: Nobody knew he was a part of all this stuff. Anyway, 89 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate that prince is a big deal. He's being 90 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: kicked out of the royal family and robes. He's literally 91 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: been kicked out of his house to that point. Now 92 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 1: again it's public humiliation. I know they wanted to go farther, 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: but this is I don't know how many more blows 94 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: he can take after this. This is the ultimate one 95 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: and this is it short of prosecution. Yes, for me, when. 96 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 3: He got served eviction papers, that was the big oh wow, 97 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: even more so than the titles. And that's just from 98 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: my American perspective. It's one thing to take a title 99 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: away from your brother. It's another thing to say and 100 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 3: now get the hell out. That felt extra ouch. And 101 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: by the way, when you kick Andrew out, you also 102 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: have to kick for Yepp. She's been living with Andrew 103 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: for the past twenty years, despite their divorce. 104 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: So here's the deal. 105 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: A lot of folks in Great Britain and the UK 106 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: have been complaining about this because he's no longer a 107 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: working royal, he hasn't been for a while, and yet 108 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: he's living there. Basically it seems as though it's been 109 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: rent free. No one's been able to point to any 110 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: actual payment of rent he's made while living there, and 111 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 3: certainly that is the people's residence as well, because this 112 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 3: is all tax dollars fund the Royal family in this 113 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 3: particular situation where they were so yeah, to have him 114 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 3: now be booted out of that residence is a huge, 115 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 3: huge deal. 116 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: Isn't he moving though? Isn't he moving to a private another? 117 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: It's a private residence, but it's still a family residence, 118 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: is the right correct? 119 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 3: So Andrew is moving out of Royal Lodge, but he 120 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: is moving into or onto a property on the Sandringham, 121 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 3: a state that's about one hundred miles north of London. 122 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: It's privately owned by the British. 123 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: Monarch, so it's not a member of or it's not 124 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: a part of any of their public assets. So his 125 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: new accommodation I think it's like twenty thousand acres. So 126 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: there are several different places where he could end up 127 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: living or moving into. But they claim he will be 128 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: privately funded by King Charles himself, like he will actually 129 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: get an allowance from King Charles and he will actually 130 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: be living there at the King's private preference. 131 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's his brother. I mean we 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: have to say, he's never been found guilty of anything. 133 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: He has denied any allegation from start to finish. So 134 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: I mean, what's his life going to be? How is 135 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: he going to live out his day? He's got two daughters, right. 136 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: Yes, and they say even though and by the way, 137 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: Princess Eugenie and Princess Beatrice, they are not affected in 138 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: any way. Their titles remain intact. They are still in 139 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: good standing so to speak, with the royal family. But 140 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: still to have your father publicly called out like this 141 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: and humiliated, to have your mother being kicked out of 142 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: the home she's lived in for the past twenty years, 143 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: you can't believe that this won't have some sort of 144 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: impact on they're feeling about fitting in or being around 145 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: Charles and William, who most believe William actually had a 146 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: huge impact on his father, the King, on making these decisions, 147 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: these tough decisions about Andrew. And so it'd be hard 148 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: to imagine that there wouldn't be some sort of underlying tension. 149 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: That's just got to be tough going forward. 150 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: At any family function and people, there will be cameras, 151 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: people will be watching, people will be looking at facial expressions. 152 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: This will be watched closely. 153 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: I kind of remember I thought there was something what 154 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: they did announced where the limited times he's going to 155 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: be welcomed to some things. I can't remember which. I 156 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: think it might have been one or maybe it tops 157 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: two events a year that he's actually welcome to come 158 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: to and be a part of the family. Man, that's 159 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: that family. Just it's it's always a mess and a 160 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: scandal here or there. I mean the scrutiny there under. 161 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: You can imagine in the fascination we all have with 162 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: them and the tabloids there we talk about Tabloyd's here 163 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: they are the originators. 164 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: Oh there's nothing more brutal or just more thorough, I 165 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: would say, than a British tabloid. 166 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: So with all that, it's just it's sad sometimes and 167 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: I think the most you can look at it is 168 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: entertainment to a certain degree for a lot of folks. 169 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: But this is still a family. And I think the 170 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: most heartbreaking part was the boys. Man, to see the 171 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: boys not doing well, it's tough, Eric William not okay, 172 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: after all that the world put their alms around those boys. 173 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: Right, It's really sad anytime you see family members either 174 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: fighting or unable to stick up for one another. It's 175 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: tough to watch, certainly, And in terms of what's next 176 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: for Andrew, I think most people believe he will just 177 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: go off into the sunset and perhaps not be heard 178 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: from or seen much. Again, some are calling for more 179 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: action to be taken, though you know, I didn't realize this. 180 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: There are even. 181 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: Streets named after Andrew all throughout the UK. Ireland in particular, 182 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: there's a Prince Andrew Way, there is in Belfast a 183 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: Prince Andrew Park, a Prince Andrew Gardens, Prince Andrew Crescent, 184 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 3: and some of these signs have been defaced. 185 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: In recent years. 186 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: So now there's a big call to have all of 187 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: these streets remab But there isn't a Prince Andrew anymore, 188 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: doesn't exist, So that would make a lot of sense, 189 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 3: all right. Well, when we come back look the timing 190 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: of all of this, Yes, that's a little bit confusing 191 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: in a way because obviously we've been talking about Andrew's 192 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 3: connection to Jeffrey Epstein now for years and years and years. 193 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: Why now all of this sudden focus on Andrew's role 194 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: in this scandal. Well, there was a book that came 195 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: out just last week and now Virginia Giuffrey's family is 196 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: speaking out about all of the reaction and all that's 197 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: happened to Prince Andrew. We continue our conversation about the 198 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: fall of Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew. I always 199 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: think about the artists formally known as Prince and then 200 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: I think, we know we're talking about Andrew or the 201 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 3: guy formally known as Prince. 202 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: I had to get it write a couple because you 203 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: want to say the prince formally. 204 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: Known as well or the artist formally known as Yeah, but. 205 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: The royal formally known is he still a He is 206 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: still a royal. 207 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: He was born into the royal family, so he is 208 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: a royal. He's just no longer a prince, so he 209 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 3: is moving out. But this was such an emotional last 210 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: few days for the family members of Virginia Roberts Giuffrey. 211 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: She was the original. 212 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: She was the young woman who stood up and was 213 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: courageous and pointed the finger not only directly at Jeffrey Epstein, 214 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: but specific at Prince Andrew. And she's the one who 215 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: put that photo forward that showed him with his arm 216 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: around her. She says she was just seventeen years old 217 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: at the time. When she claims that she was sexually 218 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: assaulted by him, basically passed off handed over to him 219 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: by Jeffrey Epstein, and she said it happened three times, 220 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 3: and she went into great detail in her posthumous memoir 221 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 3: that was released earlier this month, and a lot of 222 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: that focus and refocus went back to Andrew, and we 223 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: finally saw the royal family stand up and make decisions 224 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: that they had not made for years. 225 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: Wait did he because he came out himself and said 226 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: he was giving up all of his titles. What was 227 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: the timing with the. 228 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: Book, Oh, it was around the same time. 229 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: Before after, it was during the reaction. 230 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: It was before the book came out, but excerpts had 231 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: already been released. Several media outlets already had pre release 232 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 3: copies and were already writing about the role of Andrew. 233 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: That he was mentioned. 234 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 3: I believe it was eighty times over a four hundred 235 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: page book, so they knew, they knew it was coming. 236 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: Details and certain aspects of this story that were just 237 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: going to be heartbreaking. 238 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: And in his statement at the time, he again denied 239 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: that he had he did anything, but he came off 240 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: looking like it was for the good of the family. 241 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: He yes, his whole and I think this was an 242 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 3: attempt by the royal family. I think a lot of 243 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: people believe this was They were trying to get ahead 244 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 3: of it. They knew it was coming, they knew the 245 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: renewed scrutiny was coming, and so they thought, Okay, if 246 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: Andrew steps up, doesn't admit any wrongdoing, but at least 247 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: acknowledges that there were some bad choices by him and 248 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: decided to voluntarily for the good of the family, for 249 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 3: the good of the royals, not be referred to as 250 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: Duke of York anymore, that that would satiate this public 251 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: demand for some sort of accountability or justice. 252 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: That didn't work, and I think. 253 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: That's why we saw it was they made a couple 254 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: different attempts to soften the blow, but ultimately this was 255 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: the reality. 256 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: You know, is there going to be a push for 257 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: more now? Right? Because he gave up all of those titles. 258 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: The reason he didn't give up friends He couldn't. It 259 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: was his birthright. Parliament could do it, or it would 260 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: take an act like the King has now done. So 261 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing more to be done. And yes, 262 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: some people yelled at the time, no, he should prince 263 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: should be taken away. Okay, now that's taken away. Well 264 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: they see this as a victory and go asked for more. 265 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: They may, and there already are people doing it. It'll 266 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: just depend on how loud those voices get. But just 267 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: remember King Charles's move to strip him, to strip Andrew 268 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: of his title of prints comes just a week after 269 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: Virginia Jeffrey's book was released, Nobody's Girl, and the family 270 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: of Virginia jew Ray has reacted. 271 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: Her brother Sky Roberts. 272 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: Has been all over the television camera saying Virginia should 273 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 3: be here, she should be the one speaking. 274 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: But here was their official statement. 275 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: Today, an ordinary American girl from an ordinary American family 276 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: brought down a British prince with her truth and extraordinary courage. 277 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: Our sister, a child when she was sexually assaulted by Andrew, 278 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: never stopped fighting for accountability for what had happened to 279 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: her and to countless other survivors like her. Today she 280 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: declares victory. 281 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: Don't you know what I that victory part at the end? 282 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: Why why does she have to die? I mean, why 283 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: the book a dead woman's book and now somebody acted? 284 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: What was it? I mean, I don't get She's been 285 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: saying this stuff for a long time, a long long time. 286 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: She's dead. Now posthumously a book comes out. You know what, now, 287 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: now we'll take it seriously. I don't know what's new, 288 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: what's different? What did the royal family find out about him? 289 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: That they didn't know? 290 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: Nothing? 291 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 3: Right? 292 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: They still probably know more than we do what happened. 293 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: It just it makes you feel. 294 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: It makes me feel sick to my stomach that someone 295 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: as beautiful as Virginia who went into hiding. She went 296 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: to Australia to get away from Jeffrey Epstein, to get 297 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 3: away from powerful men who she knew owned her in 298 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: a way, and she found out time and time again 299 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: that when she did speak up, she only put herself 300 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: in danger. She didn't she wasn't believed. To know that 301 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: she's believed now after such a huge price has been paid, 302 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: is so gutting. 303 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: It's so sad. 304 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: And to know how loudly she was speaking, how proudly 305 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 3: she was speaking, how bravely she was doing it, and 306 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: to still have ultimately succumbed to the pressure, the bullying, 307 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: the fear, all of the things that she lived with. 308 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: It ended up being. 309 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 3: Her undoing but I don't know to have her. I 310 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: can't imagine what it would be like to be her brother, 311 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 3: her family members to recognize how big of a deal 312 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: this is and how sad it is that she isn't 313 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: here to see it. 314 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: Oh, it's right, the trade off. I would prefer her 315 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: be here and him still be a prince. 316 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: Right. 317 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: I still would prefer that it shouldn't take her death 318 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: before somebody pays attention to what she was saying. That 319 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: part after the fact stuff and victory, and I get 320 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: what they're saying and why, but this is the victory 321 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't come at the cost of her life. Yeah, that's 322 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: all that far sucks. We were talking about the chess 323 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: player recently that died they think possibly by suicide. And 324 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: now everybody's now to. 325 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: Do something about the bullying and wanting to do something 326 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 3: about calling people on their bullying tactics. 327 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: Nothing about the stories of change other than somebody's dead 328 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: and now we can pay attention. That's tough. 329 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: It is tough, but there are so many lessons here, 330 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: and this is a huge deal. 331 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: This is the. 332 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 3: First time in more than a century we have seen 333 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: something like this happen in the royal family. 334 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: It is certainly worth noting. 335 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 3: And look, I know it might be too little, too late, 336 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 3: but it is at least good to see there being 337 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 3: some sort of accountability taking place. It might not be 338 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 3: the perfect way or actual justice, but it's something and 339 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 3: it was significant. 340 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: And with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening 341 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 2: to us. I'm Amy Robock alongside Tjilmes. We'll talk to 342 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: you soon.