00:00:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests, your presences presents, and I already had too much stuff. 00:00:35 Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:47 Speaker 3: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Bridgard Wineger and we're in the backyard. Isn't that a thrill? It's simply one hundred degrees. We're in kind of a heat wave, so you know this, I've already begun to sweat. This isn't the first time I've sweat on this podcast, but it's the first time I'm revealing it to you. You may hear the birds, which is always exciting. I feel like the birds are singing. If you can't hear them, maybe turn up the audio on your car stereo, your headphones, do whatever you need to do. We've got to get into the podcast. We've got to have a nice time. I love today's guest. I think you're going to have a terrific time listening to the two of us chat. It's Cako againa CaCO Hi pressure. Welcome to. I said, no gifts. 00:01:33 Speaker 2: I feel very welcome your intro. Relaxed me. I'm listening to the Oh that might be maybe I'm just melting and I'm confusing it with relaxation. 00:01:46 Speaker 3: There's a very fine line between the two. Yes, just slow heat exhaustion. I guess that's the sauna what we're talking about this, Yes, saha, we could Let's just imagine this is a sauna scenario. 00:01:58 Speaker 2: Oh how and we'll be best of friends by the end, which is what happens in Asuana, which he. 00:02:06 Speaker 3: Becomes dear friends in Asaana. That's I think it's just an old rule. 00:02:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:02:12 Speaker 3: When we planned this podcast, I thought, I hope it doesn't rain, which was a strange thing to think. In Los Angeles. The thought I should have had is I hope that it's not one hundred and one degrees. But here we are. 00:02:24 Speaker 2: This was unexpected. 00:02:26 Speaker 3: How are you doing with the heat? 00:02:28 Speaker 2: You know? I think I fare better than most because I grew up in Hawaii, right, So I don't mind it as especially when people talk about humidity. I kind of love it. 00:02:40 Speaker 3: I grew up in a little bit of a sauna, right, So do you prefer a humid heat or a dry heat? 00:02:46 Speaker 2: What? I don't even know if I've experienced what is a dry heat? 00:02:50 Speaker 3: I think this is a dry, dry heat. I could be wrong. It's kind of a deserty. 00:02:55 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:02:55 Speaker 2: Oh, it's true, true, true, where it feels like it just sucks every all the moisture out of you. That makestry. I think I like both. I think I like refuse to pick a side. I don't. Yeah that you'll find that might be true, and that might be the beginning of a pattern. 00:03:13 Speaker 3: I'm familiar with that sort of pattern in my own life. But I yeah. For me, I think because I grew up in a desert state, Utah, and I'm in California, desert state, I'm used to a dry heat, whereas you know a Hawaii heat is it's a little bit more of a thing to work through, you know, the wetness. Do you thrive in a Florida? 00:03:38 Speaker 2: Does anyone thrive? 00:03:40 Speaker 3: I know the answer to that as soon as I asked. 00:03:42 Speaker 2: As soon as it left your lips, he went, that was a mistake. That question has no I can easily pick a side on that picture. 00:03:51 Speaker 3: I think the only person who's ever thrived in Florida is Gloria Estephone. Oh, there's a famous Florida Thriver, she and the Miami sand Machine. Have you been to Florida? 00:04:03 Speaker 2: I have actually have had some nice experiences there. I went there as a high schooler for a drama coal petition. Oh but I think way back when I was in high school and then my uh, I think we filed I've filmed there. It's all a blur now, but yes, I mostly all my judgmentalness comes mostly from stories about Florida and the crazy things that and sad things that have been in Florida, but. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: So many out of that state at this point, A little bit somebody, somebody there would be working to hit the brakes on some of the horror they yeah, maybe, because I'm sure there are nice people though they probably feel tracked well. 00:04:46 Speaker 2: And I know my sister lived there for a while, but she didn't have a great time. And now she's a she went back to Hawaii. Now she's in Virginia, which I think I maybe maybe, Uh what does she do for work? Well, now she's she's taking a break. She used to do bookkeeping, but she just had a baby and she just moved and she just got married. Everything just happened this past year and so Virginia is new and she's just had the baby. 00:05:14 Speaker 3: So have you been to Virginia to visit the baby? 00:05:17 Speaker 1: No? 00:05:18 Speaker 2: And I haven't. I haven't facetimed. Uh oh. I don't know why I'm sharing this with you because we have a we have a thread and I and it's there's a lot of pictures that come through. But my other sisters that they always call and FaceTime and and I haven't. I haven't done. I don't. Well I probably always have been a little bit and I should FaceTime. 00:05:46 Speaker 3: Right, you've got that face I mean with the baby is a little bit like what are we doing here? I guess you get to see them moving around? Yeah, the baby doesn't Yes, it should be done. But you've got a plant in the seed with the baby. Otherwise, girl, it's a girl. This girl or this baby is going to grow to resent you will eventually be you know that that rift will only grow. 00:06:08 Speaker 2: With Yeah, that's true space. 00:06:12 Speaker 3: Time and space. Wow. And so you've got what do you have two sisters? 00:06:16 Speaker 2: Then I have three younger sisters. 00:06:17 Speaker 3: Wow? 00:06:18 Speaker 2: Yes? 00:06:18 Speaker 3: And are they are any of them so in Hawaii? 00:06:21 Speaker 2: Yes? Two of them are still in Hawaii. 00:06:23 Speaker 3: Okay, And do you get back to Hawaii at all. 00:06:25 Speaker 2: I try that once a year. Which island did you grow up on. I grew up in o Wahu, which is the island with Waikiki and Honolulu and all the traffic. That's it's very much the city is it is. It's like, as have you been, I say. 00:06:39 Speaker 3: Only part of I went there in high school. Yeah, and it's very It was much more urban than I expected. Yes, a lot of city environment basically, but it was wonderful. I had a great time good. I also, are you familiar with the Polynesian Cultural Center there? 00:06:56 Speaker 2: Oh? Of course you have to go to the Polynesian Cultural Center. I love it. It's the only place. I have a rule with my husband that I won't go anywhere where there is parking for buses because I feel like that's too touristy. That's my rule. It's true, though, think about it. 00:07:13 Speaker 3: I mean, ever, I mean it's either an elementary school or a tourist trap, right. 00:07:17 Speaker 2: But that's my exception, because the Polynesian Cultural Center is a tourist trap that I actually love because it's wonderful. 00:07:23 Speaker 3: I had a great time there. Yeah, I mean part of the reason I was there is it's own by the Mormon Church. Oh yeah, and I grew up Mormon. Oh so, I guess like we were just aware of it or whatever. But it felt like they did a good job celebrating various cultures. And then we had a you know, like a pig dinner what have you, and drank out of a pineapple. 00:07:43 Speaker 2: Right. 00:07:44 Speaker 3: It seemed like a good time. But I've always been like, what do Hawaiians think about the Polynesian Cultural Center? 00:07:49 Speaker 2: Well, this Hawaiian, well I'm not actually a Hawaiian, but loves it. I'm sure there are many people there that maybe aren't aren't as happy about it. But yeah, it is a strange thing that it's set up by the Mormon Truth, right, and that's very strong and right influence there. 00:08:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, I uh, and I think it is like kind of a destination. I mean, you might know better than me being from Hawaii, but and mey just from the Mormon perspective. Of course, we had heard of it, but you're familiar, you know, it's kind of a tourist trap. M okay, what so when how many times have you been to this place? 00:08:26 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:08:27 Speaker 2: Well, it's one of those things that if if you're taking someone around the Island, right, it's one. Yeah, I don't. I don't go by myself kind of the Hollywood Sign exactly. Oh my goodness, what are the what are the things that? Where do you take people when they come to visit La? What do you take people? It's so hard, it's. 00:08:44 Speaker 3: So difficult, right, I mean, I'll take them to the beach, maybe out to the Santa Monica peer, we'll drive by the Hollywood Sign. None of these things really excite me. And then, like, most of the people in my life are kind of my sensibility, so I'm like, it probably doesn't excite them either, but it's hard to tell because they're on vacation and I just find it boring because I live here. I mean Griffith Park, but that's just kind of a dusty park. Where do you take people? 00:09:10 Speaker 2: That's hard too. I mostly take people to restaurants that I like, Yeah. 00:09:16 Speaker 3: What are your restaurant? Go tos? 00:09:18 Speaker 2: Well, we were just talking for a minute as I came up. But there's a place called you know me hand Roll. 00:09:23 Speaker 3: Oh so that's what it's called. 00:09:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know me hand Roll, And it's right, it's near my house and that I crave. 00:09:31 Speaker 3: Now, how that place is pretty new. Yeah, and it looks very nice? Is it? Does it feel unaccessible to a slob like me? 00:09:39 Speaker 2: Oh? My goodness, are you als? I feel like a sub you lie, you're lying. 00:09:45 Speaker 3: I don't know. Every time I look at it, I'm like that that looks nicer than I'm used to. I'm so cheap, and it's like and it just looks cool and kind of nice, and so I'm like, can am I allowed to eat hand rolls there? 00:10:00 Speaker 2: Well? The first time I went in there, I will admit I did get a little bit of side eye from the sushi chef for the amount of time that I left my hand roll sitting on the counter. 00:10:13 Speaker 3: I didn't realize there was a time limit. 00:10:15 Speaker 2: There is not, Oh, but I was like, what is this vibe I'm getting here about? You know, you're talking no, no, no, no no, and you're like, oh, you're my But what I realized is that it makes a difference, right, I mean, it is the temperature, Yeah, it's the crispiness of the seaweed kind of. 00:10:37 Speaker 3: It becomes a soggy. 00:10:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it doesn't. So once I absorbed my lesson and knew my place, I came back the next time and devoted. Oh yes, and then he was so chatty. He's just so happy. But then that. 00:10:52 Speaker 3: Becomes a problem because he's chatting with you. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: Now you have. 00:10:57 Speaker 3: Set up for well, yes, difficult difficult things. Well, I mean, I guess that does make perfect sense. It's like you also wouldn't eat soup. Let soup just sit on the count. 00:11:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, And he didn't say anything, but that's what I'm assuming. And these are my assumptions as well. That's why assuming was happening everywhere. Always it's my buddy. 00:11:20 Speaker 3: Okay, I need to Okay, So that's one of your go tos. What are some other favorite places you like to? 00:11:24 Speaker 2: Oh this is this is a not just in my area, but salt and straw always. 00:11:28 Speaker 3: Oh my god, people go crazy. 00:11:30 Speaker 2: I know. 00:11:31 Speaker 3: It's such a fun novelty. Yeah, you know they're going to enjoy it. Yeah, unless like the flavor of the month is blood, but haven't they done that though they've done things. Or it's like the flavor of the month is old turkey, and it's like, I don't want my treat to be a dare. I want it to be a treat, but they have the standby. Do you have a. 00:11:52 Speaker 2: Favorite flavor there, the chocolate brownie. 00:11:58 Speaker 3: The brownie is in that up until this point, we absolutely no. I love the brownies and that ice cream are better than brownies you can buy like at a bakery. 00:12:10 Speaker 2: They're delicious, They're good. 00:12:12 Speaker 3: Occasionally I get tempted into the flavor of the month if it's something that sounds. 00:12:15 Speaker 2: Appealing, but you get to taste. 00:12:18 Speaker 3: There's a lot of sampling, but I try to be try to be conscious of how many samples I'm taking. I don't want to be you know, you'll see somebody try every flavor, and so it's like. 00:12:28 Speaker 2: What number are you? How many? 00:12:30 Speaker 3: Three? 00:12:30 Speaker 2: Three? Yeah? 00:12:31 Speaker 3: Three? And the third one I'm apologizing, What are what are you about? 00:12:35 Speaker 2: Three is kind of the limit? 00:12:36 Speaker 3: Three feels crazy to me. Yeah, I already kind of knew what I was going to order anyway, and now I'm just abusing the system. But you know, they do charge a premium, So I'm like, if I can take an extra tablespoon of ice cream, I don't think it's a big deal. Salt and straw, that's a really good visitor tip. Mm, yeah, I'm wondering. Yeah, then, yeah, I was telling you, and let me ask you this, have you been to words Scoocha. Is that how you pronounce that restaurant's name. 00:13:03 Speaker 2: I think it's cool. 00:13:05 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:13:05 Speaker 2: I don't know, but this is how. This is how my husband and I say when we get the vine stuff now, which is our favorite beer. 00:13:18 Speaker 3: I guess you just have to leave. 00:13:21 Speaker 2: We don't know. 00:13:23 Speaker 3: That feels like the probably closer to the real, right, Yeah, I guess. Uh. I never took German. Did you take languages in high school? 00:13:33 Speaker 2: I did? I. I think I took Japanese. This is how well it sunk in with me. I think I took two years of Japanese. 00:13:40 Speaker 3: I took French and did nothing for me. No, but oh, we've got a helicopter that always means trouble. Someone's been injured, someone's stolen a car, they're passing over. Hopefully, if we got a little bit of that audio, I imagine that would provide a thrill for the listener. The listeners looking for some sort of action, some sort of thrill. 00:14:00 Speaker 2: And that's real. That's not CGI. 00:14:03 Speaker 3: This is real, the grit that we've kind of lost in today's computer based landscape. Have you ever? I was thinking about this earlier, actually, as I was driving down this hill over here. I was thinking if my life were made into a movie and they had to make and they're like, we've got to find an action scene somewhere in this. I was like, I could not come up with a single thing that seems exciting enough for an action sequence in a movie. I was like, is there. I guess I went down a hill on a sled at some point. That doesn't feel like an action you're using from your whole life. Yeah. I was like, I was digging through my memory and I couldn't think of a single thing that was like where someone would be like, this is our action sequence. I guess my movie would just be a complete bore. Do you have anything that like? I guess, but I've never like run away from something, I've never escaped. Have you done anything exciting that like would be the action sequence of a movie. 00:14:59 Speaker 2: I a sherry kind of of course. Okay, nothing to yourself, right, I don't think i've shared this. This is not an action car chase type of action. But in high school, I was dissatisfied with my home, and so I decided that I would This is my idea that I would live with my boyfriend who was in high school, so that, you know, means his parents, I guess in my high school. 00:15:31 Speaker 3: Brain kind of get adopted. 00:15:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my idea because I was really mad and I and I stormed out of my house with nothing at at the in the evening, and Hawaii has a very good bus system, but I had no money on my I literally went to the gas station attendant and asked for two quarters to use the bus to the other side of the island. To show up this is pre cell phone, to show up on my boyfriend's house. Yes, oh no, no, no, no, I'm skipping ahead. Goodness gracious, no. That night, this is terrible. How am I? Why am I? It's not terrible. I slept in the entryway of a church under a mat. What the borrowing of the change was the next day? So in the next morning, I, yes, you're wild. And then, believe it or not, they didn't. They didn't like the idea of adopting a child that they had never met before. By the way, yeah, another teen. They thought that their kids that they had at that time were enough. And so I went. I went back home and just went. I just went. I just they fed me. I had a nice meal, and they went, maybe you should go, Maybe you should How about your home? 00:16:54 Speaker 3: How did you pitch this idea to your boyfriend's parents? 00:16:58 Speaker 2: You know what, I here's the thing that if I reached back into the recess of my mind, I think I showed up. I think I just talked to him and then he tried to explain, like why this person is here. Oh and this is even worse. So I don't know if it's worse. But so my first legal name is Christine. His sister's name is Christine. So I didn't even get yelled at by my dad. My dad called up the house, asked for Christine. His sister gets on the phone and supposedly I don't know, but he so she gets an air full. 00:17:33 Speaker 3: This is like an episode of Frasier. 00:17:36 Speaker 2: It's not a movie. It's like it is an episode. 00:17:41 Speaker 3: I'm looking for Christine, Christine for you. 00:17:45 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. 00:17:46 Speaker 3: I love that. But your parents weren't mad at you? 00:17:50 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, it's it was high school. There's all kinds of yeah, there was. Oh no, it's just a dramatic daughter. There's a lot, there's a lot of emotions. Were you an emotional child? High schooler. I've probably was. 00:18:07 Speaker 3: I think I was a very repressed high schooler in so many ways, so a lot of the emotion got just held back completely. Uh, probably still being held back in a lot of ways. But uh yeah, I don't remember any giant outbursts or like running away from homes or you know, like fighting with my parents. But you know, maybe I've hidden a you know, I've just forgotten at this point. I'm sure I fought with them. 00:18:33 Speaker 2: Are they so Mormon? 00:18:34 Speaker 3: Yes? 00:18:35 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:18:35 Speaker 3: Is that ever a No, not at all. No, they weren't. 00:18:38 Speaker 2: They didn't did you because you said you were Mormon? 00:18:41 Speaker 3: You grew I was n't. 00:18:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:18:44 Speaker 3: It was like dramatic that part, but it was like my exit for Mormonism was slow enough that I think they had basically caught on by the time that I actually told them, okay then, But then it was another six years before I came out to them mm and that was probably as dramatic, but not not bad in any way. For the most part, they were good about it. Some Mormons can really surprise you, And I think it's more the more Mormon people are really for the most part, wonderful and accept can be accepting and at least evolve. The church itself is a different story where it's like the organization's not ideal. Their their views on a lot of things are Florida s we could say. But yeah, so you were a dramatic teen You ran away from home for a night, slept under a mat in the door of a church. Yeah, so this is very kind of cute. Actually it's like a little mouse. 00:19:48 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll let it be cute. I love that it's cute. Schoolers do cute ridiculous. I did so many dumb things, and I'm so glad that there's no other of all of the dumb things. I mean, how do people live these days? 00:20:03 Speaker 3: Well, I think that high schoolers are more savvy now, yeah, no, I think you're Maybe there's just they know they're in a glasshouse. Yeah, as opposed to us living in the stone age or what have you, no cell phones or limited internet, that kind of thing. I mean, speaking of bad behavior, drama and stirring the pot. You agreed to be on this podcast a little while ago. I said no gifts, and I was so excited. I thought, Keiko's gonna come over. We'll sit in the backyard. It'll probably be a moderate temperature, neither hot nor cold, nice blue skies. And then today things the milk began to curdle. Let's say I woke up this morning, everything was fine. Check the temperature. It was a solid ninety degrees at probably nine thirty in the morning. Temperature continues to climb and climb and climb. I know you're coming over. I'm panicking the time rolls around for you to show up to my house. And you were, i mean, obviously aware that the podcast was called. I said, no gifts. There have been emails exchanged, et cetera. So I was a little surprised in my you know, sweaty discomfort to see you coming up the driveway holding a little package. And so I'm just going to ask you right now, we're here in the moment, there's no zoom to separate us. This is Is this a gift for me? 00:21:31 Speaker 2: Yes? 00:21:32 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So we're here. We've got to get through this podcast one way or the other. Do you want me to open it here on the show. 00:21:42 Speaker 2: I would love for you to open it now. I mean I'm kind of excited about Okay. 00:21:48 Speaker 3: I didn't realize we run your timetable. 00:21:51 Speaker 2: Well, we could wait, but really. 00:21:55 Speaker 3: Okay, look, I'm gonna sure. I'm happy to die time maybe just one time, never again. So we're we've yet to okay now or there are there two things in here. I'm like hurting my eyes so okay. So the first is the Oh my god, this is the Wisdom of the Is it anagram? 00:22:33 Speaker 2: An aram? 00:22:33 Speaker 3: Anyagram? It's the uh complete guide to psychological and spiritual growth for the nine personality types. We're not wait just a minute, there's something else happening. They're two pens. So I assume this is so thank you an e's uh it's kind of a workbook. 00:22:52 Speaker 2: No, it's not. 00:22:53 Speaker 3: Okay, I need to know everything I feel, so uh, I'm like, have you heard of it? I've heard of it. I've never said any a gramma allowed. Are there these words that you'll read online or in books or whatever, but never have an opportunity to say so, I've always and it's kind of a scary word. I want. It's like a test. Yeah, it's like where are we going once we get the past? The two ends? It's like it could be ah yeah, or it could be eh ah, but that anyagram, it's probably what you should just assume any A Graham. 00:23:28 Speaker 2: It's nine and symbol Greek Greek nine. And I read that if you read the book, it's in there. Okay. 00:23:36 Speaker 3: So, I mean, I've obviously heard about the different personality types. I'm vaguely familiar. But I want you to just speak on this for a moment. So as to why you brought this, Oh, sure. 00:23:46 Speaker 2: Well, so it's one of the things that I'm obsessed with and I can't stop thinking about what number of people are. So that's why I brought it, right, But also I have this idea. It didn't quite work, but I had this idea that while I was listening to you your podcast, I would a doodle on which number I thought you were here. Yes, oh my god, it's yeah. So if you if you. 00:24:22 Speaker 3: Okay, we're opening it up. Let's see here. Oh, I'm seeing some towards the back. Here, let's see. 00:24:28 Speaker 2: You passed it. 00:24:29 Speaker 3: I passed it. 00:24:30 Speaker 2: Oh no, that's some too. 00:24:31 Speaker 3: Wait, oh this is your doodle. These are beautiful. These just looks like illustrations in the book. I thought this was fully just. I was like, wow, this is a fascinating thing for personality types, very flowery. Okay, wait, so let's see. Oh my god, this is These are excellent doodles. Actually they look almost like fossils or something. So you have me and is this the one you've selected for me? 00:24:56 Speaker 2: Well, here's here's the idea that didn't quite work out. Is that what I thought is I would I would switch around. Okay, So if I thought that you were sounding like a three, I would start doodling in the area that's the three, the three, And then if you said something that maybe, oh no, he's a seven, so I'd flip to that area and try to like. So the idea was that by the end of listening to that podcast, it would be very clear, right like one one number would have like way more roodles than another area. And it kind of worked out, but I think I have to well, I'm gonna probably think more on it after today, after talking to you in person and then listening to more podcasts. And because I'm obsessed, I can't Once I start thinking about like what number a person is, I can't stop thinking. 00:25:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, so currently the one I found, Okay, here's another that's quite a bit, which is a person number one, the reformer. This has got a significant amount of doodling here and kind of some shading. Okay, so the reform and then we saw number seven, which is the enthusiast, which, okay, so I'm kind of, as far as I can tell so far, I'm really looking for answers for my life right now. Little do you know, I'm just like, oh, this is finally, this might get me on track for something. Uh. Oh, we've got an investor. Oh and how odd is this? While I'm investigating, I come upon number five. You've doodled, doodled slightly the investigator number five. H I mean, I think this is what what this says is that I'm kind of a I'm kind of a jack of all trades. I'm offering a little bit of everything to everyone in my personality. And uh, but of course this is inconclusive. We uh you're still We're now to another. Now I'm I'm also part Number eight has a decent amount of doodling the challenger. Okay, what do you identify as? 00:26:54 Speaker 2: So I identify as a six, which is a loyalist, and. 00:26:58 Speaker 3: What does that mean in the obvious? 00:27:01 Speaker 2: Sure? So a couple of things about a six is that were we run on anxiety a little bit of a DeBie Downer. Do you have that friend that's always like you, You mentioned an idea to them and then they have like a ton of reasons why it won't work. That might be a six. Very hard worker, very dedicated, very loyal, kind of paranoid, but then gullible in any case, that's those are all sixes. 00:27:27 Speaker 3: And why is it labeled the loyalist with you know, these other qualities don't really strike me as loyal qualities. 00:27:34 Speaker 2: As part of loyal Yeah, I think the first I think one of the main things, because a lot of different numbers can be anxious and these types of things, and hard worker. I think one of the main things about a six is that it's perhaps hard to get very close to them, but then once you're behind that wall, it's very solid. 00:27:59 Speaker 3: They trapped. You're trapped with that person. 00:28:02 Speaker 2: Yes, very yeah, very loyal, very dedicated to those people. 00:28:09 Speaker 3: Okay, and how long have you been, uh, you know, studying all of this. 00:28:15 Speaker 2: Oh, I've been obsessed with this, oh like early two thousands, oh so for twenty two years into this thing at this point. 00:28:24 Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean, I'm assuming you started on January first, two thousand. Yeah, I a bit of time and now what got you into it? 00:28:32 Speaker 2: A friend of mine just came over and did one of these little salons. Do you do salons? I feel like you do the word done a salon. I should do a soon, once you know we're all right. We've been in this house for two years. 00:28:44 Speaker 3: I've had like currently like you and Annalis being here is almost as many people as I've had at one time. I get so anxious about having people over, but a salon would be terrific. 00:28:55 Speaker 2: So you say anxious, and then I think, oh, maybe he's a six. 00:28:57 Speaker 3: I'm a very anxious person, are you? Okayly anxious? It's not helped by my caffeine consumption, or my career choice or just anything that I've kind of brought into my life. But yeah, maybe I am a loyalist. I'm not well, maybe I am gullible. I don't know. The only way is the only way to find that out is for someone to lie to me, someone to deceive or trick, and I don't feel like I tricked that often. But I don't know what the other options are. Obviously you've identified some things. If you had to guess right now, what would you say I am? 00:29:32 Speaker 2: If I had to guess now, I'd say seven. That was a That was the one that I was leaning towards most towards the end, the enthusiast. 00:29:39 Speaker 3: And what does that mean? 00:29:40 Speaker 2: It's someone who see This is why it's difficult, because I don't you don't seem a classic number in any of them. But the reason why I thought of enthusiast is that you have a wide knowledge base. You seem to know a lot. You can carry on a conversation with a lot of different people. I feel I can be able to have a touch tone on something that would be interesting to them. Is that is that? Is that? 00:30:05 Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I'll accept that. I mean, I don't know if it's just uh, I would uh be careful about saying that I know much of anything at all. But I do feel like I'm at least happy to talk about things. I'm curious to hear what people have to say about things. Right, very few things, very few topics bore me. Mmmm so maybe that maybe that's true. I don't know. The enthusiast. 00:30:33 Speaker 2: That sounds very seven. 00:30:34 Speaker 3: Okay, So what's your husband? My husband's A four A four which. 00:30:39 Speaker 2: Is which is an individualist? 00:30:42 Speaker 3: Oh and is this kind of a a zodiac style thing where it's like personality types can clash or does any of that matter? 00:30:51 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean, I you know, with all of these things, it's it's they're all levels. So if someone's a very very healthy any of these numbers, it's going to be easier to get along with that person than an unhealthy version of any of them. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: What does it mean to be an unhealthy version of that? 00:31:10 Speaker 2: So? For instance, so the personality or how I think of personality is is almost the way you first learned to deal with problems. So as a child, what were your first tools that you went to that you use a lot? 00:31:26 Speaker 3: Right? 00:31:27 Speaker 2: And when someone's really maybe not healthy, it's very obvious what those tools are because they grip them very hard, they're very desperate to use them, and it's you can label it very easily. So when someone's very healthy, yes, they know those tools that come easy to them, but they're able to use other tools. Oh, they're able to cope in different ways and don't have to go to like a triggered response to anything. 00:31:55 Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, So has any of this gotten you in trouble with friends? Family where you're like, I think you're a nonhealthy investigator, and you just have to admit it to yourself. 00:32:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think that a part of a part of the danger of any of this stuff is one using it as an excuse for yourself. Right, I can't, I'm such a six. I'm so I'm so anxious. I just couldn't. I couldn't do that. I can't, I'm a six, you know. Or labeling someone else and not you know, putting them in such a tight box, kind of weaponizing in no way. Definitely, that little bit of knowledge, you know, is so dangerous. 00:32:35 Speaker 3: I mean, that's how I'm going to use this explicitly from now on. I'm going to memorize this book and just start pointing out everybody. 00:32:41 Speaker 2: Labeling people snap labels. 00:32:43 Speaker 3: I'm going to create an online database of everyone I know and really lay it out for people. So for me, now I have this book, what is my best path forward with this? I should just read through and see what reflect on each one and see if it is me or what do I do? 00:33:02 Speaker 2: Well? There is I take it back. There is a kind of a little bit of a work book aspect to it, because at the beginning of each chapter you can ask yourself I don't know if it's ten questions or something, and you can give it a number. Oh, no, by the if you that's like a quick test. So you go through all nine and you can say, oh this, you know this number. I listed all fives, which is the highest, right, uh? And then I'll kind of. 00:33:27 Speaker 3: See my problem with anything that requires like a between one and five. Yes, I overthink and cheat where I'm like, I think the system wants this from me, right, and I think this is what I will. I have such a hard time being a blank or just like uh, you know, like almost a stream of consciousness where it's just like this is the true answer coming straight from my brain. It's like it has to overcome all of these different walls before it gets to But let's let me see if I can find one of these and see if I can take rapid fire answer, and we'll see if we can discover something about my personality. I'll probably uncover some horrible truth and this will just become a really dark episode. Let's try the chat. 00:34:04 Speaker 2: Oh I love it. 00:34:05 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, go ahead, Yes, let's both answer do you want to answer sure? Sure? Number one? And do you have to answer between? Okay, one not at all true, too seldom true, three somewhat true for generally true, and five very true. Number one. I am extremely independent and don't like having to rely on others for what I really need for me. That's number five. Ah four okay, okay. Number two, I feel that you have to break some eggs to make an omelet. I'm gonna say two yeah, one yeah, that's like the idea of causing trouble to get what you want feels tough to me. Number three. When I care about people, I often begin to think of them as my people and feel like I need to watch out for their interests. Ooh, I'm gonna say four. 00:34:53 Speaker 2: One. Wow. I mean I care about people, but I don't I don't put Yeah. 00:35:00 Speaker 3: The thing about this one that's very untrue for me is I cannot imagine in any universe referring to my friends as my people. That doesn't feel in line with my personality whatsoever. I would feel like an enormous dork. Let's do two more, okay. Number four. I know how to get results. I know how to reward people and how to put pressure on them to get things done. I'm gonna say that's I think that's a two for me. That feels pushy. 00:35:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not. 00:35:28 Speaker 3: And the idea of rewarding people for doing things feels bonkers. Okay, you said a one, yeah, one, okay. And number five, I do not have much sympathy. I do not have much sympathy for those who are weak and facilitating or vacillating. Excuse me, weakness just invites trouble. This I'm saying number one, this is starting to this person's starting to sound like a psychotomy. 00:35:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a this is a real low and at least is laughing. I'm just mortified. Is this you? No? I never want to meet this person? 00:36:05 Speaker 3: Oh oh oh oh gotchalys wants nothing to do with the challenger. We've probably all met a challenger at some point, but this sort of person seems cruel, Yes. 00:36:15 Speaker 2: At their worst, cruel at their best. A leader, like a brave soul that puts themselves in front of weaker I shouldn't say weaker, but people who need help, people who need need a champion. 00:36:28 Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, I guess I'm looking at these things as probably because I've dealt with unhealthy challenger four and I'm like, oh, that sort of behavior is bad. But I guess a healthy challenger you don't even know. They're just guiding. Or maybe the three of us are all excellent challengers and we just don't know it. There's really no saying. Well, that reveals a little bit about both of our personalities, basically saying that you can bully us into doing whatever you want if you're a challenger, come into our lives and manipulate us. Reward, punish. 00:37:00 Speaker 2: But you know why I wrote so much, as so many doodles down at first, is that I feel like you're someone, at least on this podcast, that that you're not afraid of saying a controversial thought though you think so, Oh your opinions for sure. 00:37:13 Speaker 3: Okay, I suppose that's Wait did you doodle on the Challenger? 00:37:17 Speaker 2: I did not? 00:37:18 Speaker 3: Oh there is it did? Interesting And again I didn't even notice it because it looks like illustrations within the book. You need to become an illustrator for Personality Test? 00:37:30 Speaker 2: Oh is that a job? 00:37:32 Speaker 3: Now? 00:37:33 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:37:33 Speaker 3: I would love you should get your own special edition of this book. Okay, I'm a little forward in the beginning. I'll do a blurb on the back. Oh, I love it. That feels like a celib Yes, okay, so you think I am partially a challenger? 00:37:47 Speaker 2: Interesting, well do you see that this is my problem? I can't stop. Do you find it easy to say what it is that you think and back up your opinion? 00:37:58 Speaker 3: I will say on the on a podcast that I host, absolutely, absolutely, In my day to day interactions at work, that sort of thing a much different. 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:38:10 Speaker 3: I feel like on a podcast, this is my job, so I'm like, if I'm not doing this, what am I doing? 00:38:18 Speaker 1: Right? 00:38:19 Speaker 3: But then when I'm around other people, I'm very careful about other people's feelings and like wanting everyone to be happy, probably to a fault at the time. Oh okay, so what what what are we saying here? Is it? Do I need to transfer my podcast personality into my real life and suddenly I'm making millions of dollars a year, I'm Titan of industry and people say Bridge is a challenger if we know it? 00:38:47 Speaker 2: Laughing again, I'm sorry. I don't know if this is part of the podcast for me to comment every time ant at least last, but I just this is. 00:38:53 Speaker 3: The thrill and I'll say it a billion times of recording a podcast in person, getting to comment on a shared reality. Oh there's nothing I like more. I I'm so tired of zoom. So when someone comes to the backyard, I think, oh, reality exists, and the listener better be thrilled. They better be thrilled. I'll find them and I will add them to my database where I will track down their personality and shame them. So just be aware of that, listener. Okay, so you're a number four. 00:39:25 Speaker 2: I'm a sixth and six husbands before. 00:39:27 Speaker 3: That's right, and I'm all over the place. I can't be counted on. 00:39:33 Speaker 2: I'm just like you're an onion. We need to peep what is at the root? 00:39:39 Speaker 3: Someone get me a new therapist. Well, this is fascinating. I can't I really can't wait to find out. Oh, this is just changing to a page on six that says daring to follow your heart and it's uh. I think that's good advice that we need to dare to follow our heart. And it gives you some prompts and things like this. Do you still go back to this book on occasion? 00:39:59 Speaker 2: I do. I love it. And you know, it's actually really great for writers and it's really great for actors as well. 00:40:04 Speaker 3: Oh, I bet, how do you use it as an actor. 00:40:08 Speaker 2: Well for an actor. Sometimes for me it's helpful for me to know what I think that character's number is, if it's the same as mine, if it's different than mine, and I can read more about them. You can find little nooks and crannies that might not be so obvious, you know, for myself, their thought patterns are why they're motivated to do certain things. And then for writing, I find it's really interesting in a way to keep your characters separate, because sometimes your characters kind of will start. 00:40:40 Speaker 3: To bleed together and have different names. Yes, yes, and I'll just be like a swamp of characteristics. Right, Yes, I know that failing very well, and. 00:40:51 Speaker 2: So I like this because you can kind of try to keep their motivations very separate. 00:40:56 Speaker 3: And why yeah, right, somebody should do a show that's just all nine personality types. Each character is one of the is one of the personality types. And I think you're the leader of the group, You're kind of I think we're developing a show in the moment here. This is again. 00:41:13 Speaker 2: We are working it out. We will be pitching to NBC next week. 00:41:19 Speaker 3: Look out this fall on NBC The Personalities. 00:41:22 Speaker 2: Yes, is this I mean that that name right there, I'm intrigued. I'm clicking on that. 00:41:29 Speaker 3: Well. I mean, if nothing else, I like to throw an idea out on this podcast, not do any of the work on it, wait for someone else to do it, and then sue. That feels like an easier way to money to me. Just throw the idea out there, have the audio recording, and then improve you. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: Like, wait a minute, six months from now the personality CBS what. 00:41:48 Speaker 3: I will own the new work? Oh boy, well this is so exciting. I can't wait to give this a shot. And I'm also just thrilled with your illustrations. So if you don't mind, I'm going to share some of those on Instagram. People need to see. We've got to get your illustrating career off the ground. That's something else you should be doing. And and then, of course, in addition to the work of our television show The Personalities this fall maybe on ABC, we've got to go for the big four PBS. We can't leave PBS. 00:42:23 Speaker 2: PBS. 00:42:24 Speaker 3: We could develop kind of a show for PBS where no one makes any money and the show is forgotten. Yes, that feels right. This the front of this cover looks very PBS to me. 00:42:34 Speaker 2: It kind of does. It has a little Bob Ross. 00:42:36 Speaker 3: Yes, and you know you're going to be nurtured by whatever happens inside it. We love PBS. Okay, I think we should play a game. 00:42:45 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:42:46 Speaker 3: Do you want to play a game called Gift Master or a game called gift or a curse? 00:42:50 Speaker 2: Gift or a curse? 00:42:51 Speaker 3: Okay? I need a number between one and ten from you. 00:42:54 Speaker 2: Nine. 00:42:55 Speaker 3: Okay, I have to do some light calculating. You can you have the mic for a moment? Hey, you can wreck, commend, promote, say hello, diagnose somebody's personality, whatever you want. I'll be right. 00:43:05 Speaker 2: Okay, Hello, listeners, I am coming to you live for me, not for you. This is not live for you because you are not here right now, right now. It's just the three of us, us humble, beautiful, brilliant three as we sit in that I'm not really actually promoting anything, just a stream of consciousness, unlike Bridger, who apparently can do it. So you are a challenger a little bit. Maybe just it brought it out of me. Reading that chapter just awakened the challenge within. 00:43:49 Speaker 3: Hopefully this episode is a woken is a woken A word. 00:43:53 Speaker 2: Is awaken awakens, awakened, I can't be ready waken up. 00:43:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that doesn't sound as important, has you know? Sparked the Challenger and all of our listeners and hopefully they're ready to move into the world and kind of take over. But right now is the time for the game. This is called gift or a curse. I'm gonna name three things. You're gonna tell me if there are a gift or a curse and why? Okay, and there are correct answers. So you could leave my home today in tears. Okay, so just be careful. Okay. Number one, gift your a curse. This is from a listener named Aaron, and she has suggested gift or a curse tiny sunglasses. 00:44:35 Speaker 2: Ooh, curse tiny sunglasses for what purpose? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, that's that's that's like you don't even have to check your Merry Condo book on that one. 00:44:51 Speaker 3: You're absolutely correct. Tiny sunglasses have never they I think they have tried to make a comeback and may still be trying to make it come back in some way. I think in the early thousands people were wearing the tiny sunglasses. They vanished for a while and we were all in kind of normal size sunglasses. And now I believe and this is you know, people come to me for trend to Watch twenty twenty two. Of course, tiny sunglasses are trying to creep back into the public and they make everyone look like a pervert. They make you look strange and weird, and there's nothing normal or flattering about them. You look wacky, just like a wacky person wearing a tiny sunglass. I believe, you know, kind of the matrix was popularize them. Oh this kind of thing. I'm just saying no to tiny sunglasses. They make you look like a little creep. Curse. Okay, so you're off to an excellent start. Okay. Number two, this is a little This one might well, actually it sounds like it's an explanation in and of itself. The listener Sarah has suggested gift to a curse. King sized beds that are really just two twin mattresses pushed together. Get your curse. 00:46:07 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, curse, no, come on, I'm a I'm a romantic, get hurt. I was going to try to justify that it might be okay because you could, you know, you have your own side of the bed and whatnot. But I'm a cuddler, and you don't want to be in that little divot. I have to I hate to be two curses in a row, but I have to go with curse on that. 00:46:29 Speaker 3: Okaykh answer, Oh no, no, don't do it. More people need to know about this. I think you know. I learned of these a little while ago, of this technique of forcing two twin beds together to create one large bed, and I absolutely support this. I mean, it's kind of a convertible of beds. It's the transformer of beds. You've got a king bed. Maybe at some point, you know, divorce, you each get to take half the bed. 00:46:59 Speaker 2: But what's is this the frame? 00:47:01 Speaker 3: It's a king frame. 00:47:02 Speaker 2: Well, what are you gonna saw? 00:47:05 Speaker 3: Has to be burned in the divorce. I think that's what should happen in divorce is everything that can be split without actually breaking it should be given to one side or the other. Everything else should be put in a boton fire. I think that's uh. I'm willing to launch that business. Let me know. If you need the things that neither of you can agree on in the divorce, I'll burn them for you. 00:47:27 Speaker 2: In all seriousness, Yes, wouldn't that actually be a good business? Could that actually? 00:47:32 Speaker 3: Probably? I feel like it would catch on. 00:47:33 Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean people throw axes at a bar, you know. It feels like the same like visberal something. 00:47:39 Speaker 3: You'd bring the things from your broken relationship and burn them some kind of like I think this is great. 00:47:46 Speaker 2: I don't know, there's mighty something. 00:47:47 Speaker 3: I think that. And you know, you rent a warehouse space. 00:47:50 Speaker 2: Or purchasing right and decorate it really funky and fun alcohol. 00:47:54 Speaker 3: We send the movers to your your home or whatever where the things need to be picked up, and you get in the back with them. They bring you to our warehouse and you get to burn them. Yeah, that actually feels like. 00:48:05 Speaker 2: It feels like it might something about that much. 00:48:08 Speaker 3: There's something there which again I will be putting no effort. Yeah, I'm happy to hopefully, like a year down the line, somebody will be pitching that on Shark Tank. I'll pause it and get my lawyer on the line. But yeah, I think the king sized beds that are really just two twin beds gift. I assume that it's a money saving technique, which is great, and uh, it's also a fun surprise. You've been sleeping on this king sized bed for months and then you find out it's two twins. You've been betrayed by your furniture. What a trill? Okay, finally, gift, you're a curse, an unexpected windfall. So just you know, a bunch of money coming to you. 00:48:47 Speaker 2: Gift? 00:48:48 Speaker 3: Why? 00:48:50 Speaker 2: Oh you seem like it's not a wind it's not a good thing. 00:48:56 Speaker 3: I'm giving nothing away here I need to. 00:48:57 Speaker 2: You're giving everything away? Bridger? Why why do you say? Why do you say gift AGAINA why explain yourself? Let's see. Do you like my Bridger voice? I don't know it's being to it. It sounds nothing like you. 00:49:15 Speaker 3: It's kind of a Batman village. 00:49:17 Speaker 2: This is because you know money you could put it towards, uh, things you want want to put it towards, and such and such. I have to hear what you're thinking. What are you thinking? 00:49:32 Speaker 3: It's a curse. It's a curse. It's unexpected and the money you're not going to know what to do with it. So you know, I know what to do with it. That's what everyone thinks when the unexpected windfall appears in their lives. 00:49:44 Speaker 2: Will you say windfall? How much? Are you talking. I'm talking four hundred million dollars unexpected. I understood your meaning windfall. We were on two different nothings. No, but I would you know, in the hundreds of thousand, Okay, I would would be lovely and munchie, four hundred million, I do. There's like too too much pressure and there are too many people that know about it. 00:50:10 Speaker 3: And a curse. Yeah, suddenly you've got a target on your back wherever you go. You're like all of your bad habits can suddenly be supported with endless money. You're buying Tacki mansions all over America. You know, I think that an unexpected windfall, well, rather I know is a curse. And unfortunately you only got one correct. Oh No, yeah I was. 00:50:35 Speaker 2: I wasn't careful and I wasn't keeping reckless. 00:50:38 Speaker 3: I'll say you were absolutely reckless. You were just kind of all over the road on this game. And it's a shame to see it happen, but you gave it your best efforts. Now, this is the last part of the podcast. This is called I said no emails, people write in two I said no gifts at gmail dot com. I'm gonna be very honest my listeners are desperate people. They've all got some different situation in their life that they couldn't just solve on their own. I don't know what personality type that is where you just put your burden on strangers or podcast hosts. But would you help me answer a question? 00:51:13 Speaker 2: Of course? 00:51:14 Speaker 3: Okay, this says Highbridger. They don't address you, which I always find extremely rude. The least you could do is a Highbridger and guest. But look, we'll take what we can get. And then, of course, and now I feel bad because the first sentence is loving the podcast. 00:51:31 Speaker 2: What a shame. 00:51:33 Speaker 3: I take it back. I love the way you started this letter. Person. I am twenty six years old and just moved to a new city because they went through a quarter life crisis and needed a fresh start, so I moved across the country, you know, normal stuff. Anyway, I am making new friends who invite me out for happy hour and such, but I still don't know them that well. They invite me for birthday dinners and gatherings. And I was wondering if you could help me with default gifts right now. My defaults are are candles, wine mugs or wineglasses, or plants. If I know the recipient can take care of them. What are some suggestions you have for me to add to this default gift collection? Thank you. That's from Claire. And she's apparently now in New Orleans, so I don't know where. Maybe she was in Arizona before we'll assume Arizona. Claire formerly of Arizona, now of New Orleans is meeting new people and apparently giving a lot of gifts away, which feels like she's coming on very strong. Claire, I feel like I don't know. I by the time I've read this letter, you may have completely alienated yourself from all of New Orleans by begging them to be your friend. With candles, wine, wineglass smugs. 00:52:43 Speaker 2: That was a lot. That was a long list. Yeah, that's all the birthdays. It's how many birthdays? Because I do know that when you're when a birthday party makes sense to bring a gift, right, But how many birth how many people had birthdays in the time that she was there, right? 00:52:58 Speaker 3: And then it seems like this is all pretty new, and suddenly she knows enough people that she's going to birthdays where she feels close enough to bring gifts. Claire seems dangerous to me. Claire seems like a I mean, we've we've had drifters right into this podcast before, but Claire is textbook Like she was in Arizona. She had to get out fast. 00:53:22 Speaker 2: Is the dry heat? 00:53:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, the dry heat drove her, drove her out of her mind, and she fled to the Big Easy and there she started every person she met. She basically was carrying Santa's bag around with her. 00:53:36 Speaker 2: Heavy. 00:53:36 Speaker 3: Mugs are extremely heavy, fragile. She probably had broken wine glasses in this bag. She's dangerous. I've already said that, but now she's I guess also physically dangerous with this broken glass, dead plants, et cetera. But what's something What's something else she can throw in her bag if she if by the small chance that she isn't person non grata in New Orleans. 00:54:00 Speaker 2: Fancy soap. 00:54:05 Speaker 3: I love that, like bars soap, bottled soap. 00:54:09 Speaker 2: Powder soap is a and I I don't know, And I wish I knew the name because then I could maybe they'll give you something free for mentioning them. But right next to that Vus is a fancy soap place. It has a bottled soap for forty dollars. 00:54:25 Speaker 3: Oh, it's a place like across the street. Yeah, what is that place? 00:54:28 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:54:28 Speaker 2: What is that place called? It's something? 00:54:31 Speaker 3: Does it start with an R? No? Oh, I would love to know. We've got to name it fancy. They sell like colognes, perfumes, sense and they'll like mix it there for you. 00:54:43 Speaker 2: Is that we can? Yes? 00:54:45 Speaker 3: Oh, forty dollars for a bottle of soap? How picks the bottle? 00:54:49 Speaker 2: I think it's a normal sized bottle. 00:54:54 Speaker 3: That is so expensive, isn't it? I mean, but again, Claire didn't set a a budget. I've heard of some candles. I don't know what kind of candlebuy er clear is, but can get very expensive. 00:55:08 Speaker 2: You ever heard these crazy prices for these. 00:55:10 Speaker 3: People are spending hundreds of dollars on a candle, and I don't I do think don't understand it? Do you think this is an Emperor's New clothes situation where it's like what we're imagining. It's better than the Yankee candle or what have you. But it's ultimately right, I guess. I'm sure they smell nice, But what price do we put on our sense? I think that's the big question today. And hundreds of dollars for a candle forty dollars for a bottle of soap feels unfair. Yeah, I will say that place that you go to or that you suggest the soap, you can go and get like a sample bottle for cheaper. Ooh, it's like it's probably an ounce for twenty dollars. Okay, that can't possibly be true. That is not true. Now this has just become a kind of a disinformation podcast. I'm I'm kind of the Joe Rogan of sense at this point. I'm just spreading lies about it. 00:56:08 Speaker 2: Yes, that is it. 00:56:09 Speaker 3: I think the place with the Yes, they used to have like hand stuff you outside the store even that you could use. It's those beautiful kind of medicinal bottles. 00:56:19 Speaker 2: Yes, and they have a sink inside where you can wash your hands. I love them to practice ASoP. 00:56:28 Speaker 3: That's an excellent news. Very close to our gift to give people, uh photos of yourself. That's a nice thing for a new friend because they forget with your name on it like a little That's a decent default gift. Everyone loves a live animal, you know, just take around like kind of a pack of dogs that you can give to strangers as you meet them. These don't feel like easy, doable, default gifts that as a new person from New Orleans are going to help you ease your way into the city. Everyone loves a ben that's, you know, kind of a New Orleans type snack. Maybe have one of those in your purse to give away. But that all feels right for and forgive me listener, what was your name? Claire? Claire from Arizona, now of New Orleans. I think we've answered her question perfectly. I mean, yes, again, we don't know if Claire is alive or dead at this point. She obviously lives kind of a wild life and she's probably got a lot of enemies, but at least now she has a few extra suggestions as far as giving things away. I've just ad a place in Palm Springs recently. We went in. They said you could, they would let you. They would like use your hand scrub or whatever. That a sink. The woman there could not have been more on cocaine. I mean, I've never seen anything like this before. It was the retail employee from another dimension. She and she wanted desperate for us to buy that body scrub. But I think it was or the drugs speaking. She had a very cocaine outfit all white, and did give me a decent hand scrub, but ultimately it was a jarring experience. So I just want people to be aware of. 00:58:12 Speaker 2: That she actually scrubbed your hands, scrubbed my hands, oh huh, coke surging through her body, and then we left without buying it. 00:58:22 Speaker 3: Of course, I'm not buying the hand scrub. I just wanted my hands to be scrubbed. It was a fascinating experience. So anytime somebody offers a free hand scrub, I say take them up on it. You never know where the road will lead once you agree to a free hand scrub. Kaiko, we answered Claire's question perfectly. I'm sure she's satisfied or dead satisfied, wanted satisfied or did um? Look, this is the end of the podcast. I now have my personality test. This is probably going to send me into a spiral that will last for twenty years of me trying to discover who I am. I hope that you'll continue to kind of hypothesize about what I am. If you come to any more conclusions, I need to hear them. And meanwhile, I'll be trying. I'll be searching for my own answers. I'm so thrilled. Thank you for being here, Oh, thank you for having me a wonderful time. Is now listener again? You know this is usually the end of the podcast where we stop talking to the guests and you listen to me for a few seconds and then you select some other audio or finally, like let go of the steering wheel you've been gripping for the last hour and go into work. So now I'm just going to send you on your way. I hope you have a terrific day, and I hope you tune in again soon. If you don't, we're gonna lose touch. And then I'm going to be the distant aunt that we talked about earlier in this podcast, and that's the last thing I want to be to you have a wonderful day. I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson, and it's beautifully mixed by John Bradley. The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram. At I said no Gifts, I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts? 01:00:25 Speaker 2: Now? 01:00:26 Speaker 3: Make sure to listen, follow, and most important, they leave a heartfelt review on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget. You can listen to new episodes one week early on Amazon Music or early and ad free by subscribing to Wondery Plus. In the Wondery app, he line why did you hear? 01:00:52 Speaker 1: Funa man? Myself perfectly clear, but you're I guessed, Tom. You gotta come to me empty? And I said, no, guests, your own presence is presents en. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me