1
00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,039
Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace breaking news tonight.

2
00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,600
Speaker 2: The lone shooter, the assassin that gunned down thirty one

3
00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,280
Speaker 2: year old Charlie Kirk.

4
00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,680
Speaker 1: With a high degree of certainty, we have him.

5
00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,520
Speaker 3: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

6
00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,320
Speaker 2: A massive manhunt.

7
00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,079
Speaker 4: The suspect was taken into custody at ten pm local time.

8
00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,960
Speaker 2: The assassin who gunned down a loving father of to

9
00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:28,920
Speaker 2: a husband.

10
00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,400
Speaker 4: The suspect was apprehended in historic time period.

11
00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,040
Speaker 1: Right custody in custody.

12
00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,160
Speaker 2: The assassin who guns down a father of two.

13
00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,400
Speaker 5: He is observed on video in a plane, maroon T

14
00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,080
Speaker 5: shirt like colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo,

15
00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,120
Speaker 5: and light colored shoes arriving on UVU campus in a

16
00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,400
Speaker 5: Great Dodge Challenger at approximately eight twenty nine.

17
00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:53,800
Speaker 1: A M.

18
00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,240
Speaker 5: Tyler Robinson. Robinson had become more political in recent years.

19
00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,240
Speaker 5: A second on fired casing read oh belichow, belichow, belichow

20
00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,240
Speaker 5: chow chow. And a third on.

21
00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,240
Speaker 1: Fired casey read if you read this you are gay.

22
00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:13,200
Speaker 2: His wife and two little children who will grow up

23
00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,680
Speaker 2: without daddy.

24
00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:15,959
Speaker 1: This is a.

25
00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,920
Speaker 5: Very sad day again for our country.

26
00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,360
Speaker 4: And I do know this is going to be a

27
00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,440
Speaker 4: federal Okay, So, and there's many of us believe that

28
00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,960
Speaker 4: Charlie was targeted because of this political ideology. Yeah, what's

29
00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,000
Speaker 4: going to happen to this guy?

30
00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,080
Speaker 6: Well, I hope it was going to be found guilty,

31
00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,959
Speaker 6: I would imagine, and I hope he.

32
00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,160
Speaker 1: Gets to death Federal Day.

33
00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,720
Speaker 5: On the evening of September eleventh, a family member of

34
00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,880
Speaker 5: Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted

35
00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,840
Speaker 5: the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had

36
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,360
Speaker 5: confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.

37
00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,040
Speaker 5: This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office

38
00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,400
Speaker 5: and seen investigators at Utah Awi University. This information was

39
00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:07,600
Speaker 5: also conveyed to the FBI. Investigators reviewed additional video footage

40
00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,160
Speaker 5: from UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus

41
00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,679
Speaker 5: in a Great Dodge Challenger at approximately eight twenty nine

42
00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,440
Speaker 5: am on September tenth, in which he is observed on

43
00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,239
Speaker 5: video in a Plaine maroon T shirt, light colored shorts,

44
00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,520
Speaker 5: a black hat with a white logo, and light colored shoes.

45
00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,160
Speaker 1: When encountered in.

46
00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,359
Speaker 5: Person by investigators in Washington County on September twelfth, in

47
00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,480
Speaker 5: the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing

48
00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,400
Speaker 5: with those surveillance images. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson,

49
00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,200
Speaker 5: who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.

50
00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,280
Speaker 5: The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson

51
00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,679
Speaker 5: came to dinner prior to September tenth, and in the

52
00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,400
Speaker 5: conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was

53
00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,560
Speaker 5: coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like

54
00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,880
Speaker 5: him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member

55
00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,640
Speaker 5: also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.

56
00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,720
Speaker 5: The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.

57
00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,600
Speaker 5: Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators

58
00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:22,200
Speaker 5: interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,

59
00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,600
Speaker 5: made a joke on discord. Investigators asked if he would

60
00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,240
Speaker 5: show them the messages on discord. He opened it and

61
00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,240
Speaker 5: showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take

62
00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,520
Speaker 5: photos of the screen as each message was shown by

63
00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,800
Speaker 5: Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages, including content

64
00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,640
Speaker 5: of messages between the phone contact named Tyler with an

65
00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,440
Speaker 5: emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these

66
00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:55,000
Speaker 5: messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler, stating a

67
00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,040
Speaker 5: need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving

68
00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,920
Speaker 5: the rifle in a book bush, messages related to visually

69
00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,120
Speaker 5: watching the area where a rifle was left, and a

70
00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,800
Speaker 5: message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.

71
00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,600
Speaker 5: The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention

72
00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,280
Speaker 5: of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from

73
00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,160
Speaker 5: the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.

74
00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,400
Speaker 5: I know there has been speculation as well as to

75
00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:40,040
Speaker 5: the writing on those casings, those bullet casings, and I

76
00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,800
Speaker 5: believe we have that as well, and I will share

77
00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:49,719
Speaker 5: that with you now. So, the area north of Campus

78
00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,840
Speaker 5: Drive Road where the suspect crossed over you saw some

79
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,920
Speaker 5: of that in the video that we released last night,

80
00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,880
Speaker 5: consists of a grassy area with trees on the edge

81
00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,080
Speaker 5: of the UVU campus. Instigators discovered a bolt action rifle

82
00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,960
Speaker 5: wrapped in a dark colored towel. The rifle was determined

83
00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,640
Speaker 5: to be a Mauser Model ninety eight thirty yacht six

84
00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,440
Speaker 5: thirty six caliber bolt action rifle. The rifle had a

85
00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,400
Speaker 5: scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted inscriptions that

86
00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,240
Speaker 5: had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions

87
00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:28,239
Speaker 5: on a fired casing read notices bulge's capital wo, What's

88
00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,000
Speaker 5: this question?

89
00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:29,320
Speaker 6: Mark.

90
00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:35,119
Speaker 5: Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read hey fascist, exclamation point,

91
00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:41,480
Speaker 5: catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow and a

92
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,679
Speaker 5: symbol and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing

93
00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,680
Speaker 5: read oh bellichow bella chow bella chow chow chow. And

94
00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,040
Speaker 5: a third unfired casing read if you read this, you

95
00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,160
Speaker 5: are gay LMAO.

96
00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,600
Speaker 1: A little bit of the timeline.

97
00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,720
Speaker 4: Charlie was shot at twelve twenty three pm on Wednesday.

98
00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,239
Speaker 4: The first FBI agents arrived on scene in sixteen minutes

99
00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,839
Speaker 4: with chiefs of Police at twelve thirty nine and secured

100
00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,960
Speaker 4: the scene. The FBI immediately launched fixed wing assets. We

101
00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,080
Speaker 4: utilized these assets to transport personnel specialty technicians Hasa's rescue teams.

102
00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,760
Speaker 4: We also utilize these assets to go back and forth

103
00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,200
Speaker 4: from the East Coast and here in Utah to transport

104
00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,960
Speaker 4: forensic evidence and other evidence that will be analyzed and

105
00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,120
Speaker 4: is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories in Quantico and

106
00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,680
Speaker 4: other laboratories, including the ATF. In my direction, the FBI

107
00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,520
Speaker 4: released the first set of FBI photos of the suspect

108
00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,680
Speaker 4: at ten am local time on nine to eleven. Then

109
00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,000
Speaker 4: shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of one hundred thousand dollars

110
00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,440
Speaker 4: was released at ten forty five am Local myself and

111
00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,240
Speaker 4: Deputy Director Bondino arrived on the scene at approximately five

112
00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,600
Speaker 4: thirty PM on.

113
00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:55,200
Speaker 3: Nine to eleven.

114
00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 4: The Governor led a press conference last night a proximate

115
00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,120
Speaker 4: eight pm, where in my direction, the FBI released a

116
00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,320
Speaker 4: never before seen video of the suspect. We also released

117
00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,320
Speaker 4: new images to the public of the suspect, and just

118
00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,240
Speaker 4: last night, the suspect was taken into custody at ten

119
00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,160
Speaker 4: pm Local time, in less than thirty six hours thirty

120
00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,640
Speaker 4: three to be precise, Thanks to the full weight of

121
00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,520
Speaker 4: the federal government and leading out with the partners here

122
00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,560
Speaker 4: in the state of Utah and Governor Cox, the suspect

123
00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,960
Speaker 4: was apprehended in historic time period.

124
00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:34,920
Speaker 1: Joining us today.

125
00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,840
Speaker 6: Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, co host of gold

126
00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,480
Speaker 6: Shields podcast, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor at Jacksonville State University

127
00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,240
Speaker 6: and co host host of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.

128
00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,280
Speaker 6: As we begin today shocking announcement, we already have a

129
00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,440
Speaker 6: suspect in custody, Tyler Robinson, a twenty two year old

130
00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,840
Speaker 6: Utah resident and a pent Carently he was turned in

131
00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,600
Speaker 6: or convinced to turn himself in by his father, who

132
00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,600
Speaker 6: is now being called the father of Justice, Matt Robinson.

133
00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,480
Speaker 6: Straight out to you, Joseph Scott Morgan. Ever since the

134
00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:19,200
Speaker 6: assassination of Charlie Kirk, there has been wide spread speculation

135
00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,760
Speaker 6: as to everything that took place that day, from the shot,

136
00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,600
Speaker 6: to security to what actually transpired. I want to start

137
00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,600
Speaker 6: with the shot. We have a man in custody, so

138
00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,960
Speaker 6: let's start with him on the roof allegedly shooting Charlie

139
00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,160
Speaker 6: Kirk from at least two hundred yards.

140
00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,760
Speaker 1: Is that still what we believe? Yeah?

141
00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, according to the reports that we're hearing, it sounds reasonable.

142
00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:50,440
Speaker 7: One of the interesting images that has emerged from the

143
00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,560
Speaker 7: inspection of that alleged sniper's nest, if we can call

144
00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,400
Speaker 7: it that, is that surface is on the roof is

145
00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,480
Speaker 7: actually a gravel surface, and there's an image that has

146
00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,880
Speaker 7: that has been released of evidence markers around an area

147
00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:14,520
Speaker 7: that is literally impressed into that gravel surface that gives

148
00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,720
Speaker 7: you the impression when you see it that someone had

149
00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,960
Speaker 7: laid there for a protracted period of time.

150
00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

151
00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,800
Speaker 6: Now, Okay, on the top of a roof, oftentimes we

152
00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,440
Speaker 6: have tar and other things like that. Would that gravel

153
00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,720
Speaker 6: making it a kind of uneven surface? Would that create

154
00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,600
Speaker 6: a problem for somebody that is laying down to get

155
00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:32,040
Speaker 6: the shot.

156
00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,080
Speaker 7: I wouldn't necessarily think so, particularly if they had any

157
00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,400
Speaker 7: knowledge of how of the weapon system that they're actually using,

158
00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,880
Speaker 7: and we don't know all of the details yet. He

159
00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,760
Speaker 7: may have brought something along to brace himself with. Keep

160
00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,240
Speaker 7: in mind, this kid actually had a backpack with him,

161
00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:57,760
Speaker 7: and in the military, I know from personal experience that

162
00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,600
Speaker 7: you're trained to use things particularly you're in a prone

163
00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,440
Speaker 7: position that can brace your position and that that can

164
00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,120
Speaker 7: steady can steady your site picture. It wouldn't surprise me

165
00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,839
Speaker 7: if that if the backpack that he had up there

166
00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,280
Speaker 7: with him may have been used for that purpose.

167
00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,120
Speaker 6: Okay, Dan Murphy, as a former detective sergeant, you're looking

168
00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,160
Speaker 6: at this from solving the crime, What is the first

169
00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,360
Speaker 6: step from the moment you learn that Charlie Kirk has

170
00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,280
Speaker 6: been shot, you don't know his condition. All you know

171
00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,920
Speaker 6: is we have a man shot. What is the first

172
00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,160
Speaker 6: thing you do when you start trying to solve the crime.

173
00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,040
Speaker 3: First, you have to preserve the scene. The crime scene

174
00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,240
Speaker 3: is of paramount importance because that is going to live

175
00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,040
Speaker 3: with you for the remainder of this case. What you grab,

176
00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,439
Speaker 3: what you don't grab is vital. The second is witnesses,

177
00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,000
Speaker 3: eyewitnesses grabbing any and everybody that's on the scene that

178
00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,679
Speaker 3: may have seen something. Today in today's world, we want

179
00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,679
Speaker 3: to see cell phone coverage, cameras, everyone that was there

180
00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,600
Speaker 3: who has a cell phone, a shot, any footage, bring

181
00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,120
Speaker 3: it in and it's all potential evidence. We want to

182
00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,800
Speaker 3: look around at cameras, surveillance cameras that are part of

183
00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,959
Speaker 3: the campus. We want to look at everything we can

184
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,400
Speaker 3: look at who is parked in the parking lot. This

185
00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,079
Speaker 3: is a tremendous job that needs to be done by

186
00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,080
Speaker 3: a lot of people, but it's vital that those steps

187
00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,160
Speaker 3: begin immediately.

188
00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,440
Speaker 6: You know, we did find out a number of things

189
00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,520
Speaker 6: as as we're doing this program. This is still a

190
00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,240
Speaker 6: breaking news story. It is evolving. We had We started

191
00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,679
Speaker 6: the day with President Donald Trump on Fox News announcing

192
00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,680
Speaker 6: that ninety nine percent sure we had the shooter in custody,

193
00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,520
Speaker 6: the alleged shooter. One of the things that we've been

194
00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,760
Speaker 6: trying to figure out is who is this person who

195
00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,560
Speaker 6: would have shot Charlie Kirk. You know, he founded Turning

196
00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,880
Speaker 6: Point back in twenty twelve, and he has been.

197
00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,040
Speaker 1: The subject of I don't know how to actually.

198
00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,240
Speaker 6: Phrase this, but you know, he's outspoken, conservative Christian man

199
00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,520
Speaker 6: and he's been labeled a hater by those on the left,

200
00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,640
Speaker 6: just the way we lived today. But as you're trying

201
00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,520
Speaker 6: to figure out who is the shooter, we saw a

202
00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,680
Speaker 6: guy that looked like to be sixty years old in

203
00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,400
Speaker 6: short pants, you know, balding. We saw him in custody

204
00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,600
Speaker 6: briefly by police because he's you know, talking about I

205
00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,880
Speaker 6: do it again. We also had rumors that it was

206
00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,120
Speaker 6: a thirty year old man, that it was not a

207
00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,200
Speaker 6: college student. And what turns out to be the shooter

208
00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,080
Speaker 6: or the alleged shooter, is actually twenty two years old.

209
00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,240
Speaker 6: Is this something that either of you would expect as

210
00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,600
Speaker 6: we move forward. Would you have started by thinking this

211
00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,960
Speaker 6: is a college age person, or would you have thought

212
00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,240
Speaker 6: somebody older would have been involved in the shooting.

213
00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,000
Speaker 3: I would say you never never want to theorize as

214
00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,439
Speaker 3: to who you suspect is until your evidence points you're there.

215
00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,800
Speaker 3: That's a capital mistake to make, and people do it

216
00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,120
Speaker 3: all the time, and the media loves to jump because

217
00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,400
Speaker 3: we want to assign an identity to somebody. But the

218
00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,520
Speaker 3: fact of the matter is, you go with the evidence

219
00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,240
Speaker 3: lead you, and if it turns out to be somebody

220
00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,400
Speaker 3: who's older or younger, that's fine. Worry about what narrative

221
00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,160
Speaker 3: it can fit later, but you look for the truth.

222
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,080
Speaker 6: You follow the evidence absolutely, Okay, Now, Joseph Scott Morgan,

223
00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,160
Speaker 6: we saw the shot. We saw Charlie Kirk sitting under

224
00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,600
Speaker 6: the tent. I want to point something out. You know,

225
00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,240
Speaker 6: before the shooting took place, there were about three thousand

226
00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,840
Speaker 6: paid that attended the event. Charlie Kirk was under a tent,

227
00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,280
Speaker 6: you know that he was sitting under, but there were

228
00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,640
Speaker 6: people fairly close to him right up front. Then there

229
00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,120
Speaker 6: was a walkway area in the grass of probably twelve

230
00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,880
Speaker 6: feet I'm guessing, and then more people situated directly behind that.

231
00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,640
Speaker 6: And before the event actually got started, before he actually

232
00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:35,520
Speaker 6: was giving a speech.

233
00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,440
Speaker 1: He was engaging with the audience.

234
00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,880
Speaker 6: He was throwing hats and other things to the audience,

235
00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,400
Speaker 6: getting them kind of excited and pumped up before he spoke,

236
00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,160
Speaker 6: and then before he grabbed the mic to give a speech,

237
00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,680
Speaker 6: he actually was doing Q and A with the audience

238
00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,360
Speaker 6: and had them had two microphone set up and had

239
00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,040
Speaker 6: people going to either mic so they could actually begin

240
00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,120
Speaker 6: this speech by talking about things, by actually getting into

241
00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,880
Speaker 6: a discussion. So he's a minute and a half into

242
00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,240
Speaker 6: this as he's sitting down in the tent before he

243
00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,240
Speaker 6: starts his speech, he's still answering questions from the crowd

244
00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,920
Speaker 6: when the shot rang out. We I say we all

245
00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,360
Speaker 6: saw it. Most of us have seen the video because

246
00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:18,640
Speaker 6: it was released on social media within seconds. It wasn't

247
00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,480
Speaker 6: like the Zuppruiter film where we waited, you know, where

248
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,920
Speaker 6: we didn't have anything for hours and then years later.

249
00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:25,800
Speaker 1: This was immediate.

250
00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,960
Speaker 6: And there are probably plenty of people who got shots

251
00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,960
Speaker 6: of that assassination that still have not posted it online.

252
00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Saint Dallas nineteen sixty three. You know you're

253
00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,840
Speaker 7: going to have multiple povs here because, let's face itk

254
00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,080
Speaker 7: him or hate him, he's a media figure. He is

255
00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,640
Speaker 7: he was magnetic, and people want those kinds of images.

256
00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,840
Speaker 7: It's the world that we live in today. So you know,

257
00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,440
Speaker 7: one hundred and eighty degrees probably three hundred and sixty

258
00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,280
Speaker 7: degrees in his orbit. There there were people videotaping. One

259
00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,040
Speaker 7: of the things that I think that those that are

260
00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,760
Speaker 7: going to be canvassing the area and talking to folks,

261
00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,480
Speaker 7: they're going to want to collect those images, particularly those

262
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,520
Speaker 7: I think one of the more intriguing images that you

263
00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,320
Speaker 7: would want is something that is more to Charlie's rear

264
00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,520
Speaker 7: looking back to where the shooter is. I think that

265
00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,320
Speaker 7: we've had one of those or two of those that

266
00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,440
Speaker 7: have leaked out. Trust me, there's more, and you know

267
00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,640
Speaker 7: that's not even counting. Like CCTV. I work at a university, guys.

268
00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,360
Speaker 7: I got to tell you, I can literally step out

269
00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,760
Speaker 7: of the door of my building here at jack State

270
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,640
Speaker 7: onto the quad and immediately I've got cameras all around

271
00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,160
Speaker 7: me that are observing me. If you're going to try

272
00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,000
Speaker 7: to pull something like this off and try to remain anonymous,

273
00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:58,200
Speaker 7: bad choice, because there is so much video evidence on

274
00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,200
Speaker 7: a campus that they can pull it in seconds. Dollars

275
00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,520
Speaker 7: to donuts, I guarantee you that the state police, probably

276
00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,040
Speaker 7: the locals, and certainly the Feds. They descended on the

277
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,920
Speaker 7: security area there that controls all of the cameras. They

278
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,280
Speaker 7: have that data. Trust me not to mention everything else

279
00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,080
Speaker 7: that's peripheral to that parking lots. We've heard a lot

280
00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,360
Speaker 7: about ring cams. Oh wow, Yeah, all of the cases

281
00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,360
Speaker 7: that we cover with Nancy. It seems like in the

282
00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,280
Speaker 7: last two years, ring cams come into play, don't they.

283
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,920
Speaker 1: They're everywhere you know.

284
00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,760
Speaker 7: As well, And it's just it's just that the area

285
00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,920
Speaker 7: where this happened on a university campus is so tightly monitored,

286
00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,600
Speaker 7: and a lot of it has to do with student safety. Yeah,

287
00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,040
Speaker 7: bad choice, bad area to select if you're trying to

288
00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,240
Speaker 7: remain anonymous.

289
00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,320
Speaker 6: Now, Dan Hampton background in New York as a detective sergeant. Look,

290
00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:59,080
Speaker 6: when we started breaking this story down beyond the shooting,

291
00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,280
Speaker 6: because that was just shocking, and I want to come

292
00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,080
Speaker 6: back to that in just a minute, Joe about what

293
00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,600
Speaker 6: that actual what shooting actually did.

294
00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,960
Speaker 1: But first we've got a shoot her that.

295
00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,119
Speaker 6: I'm going to say. The police were leaking information. It

296
00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,560
Speaker 6: looked like they were chumming the water. They were baiting

297
00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,400
Speaker 6: with pictures and things like that to try to get

298
00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,600
Speaker 6: information from the public. Is that a common thing to

299
00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,400
Speaker 6: expect it? Did police really use the media in that way?

300
00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,160
Speaker 3: Dan, Absolutely, It can be your best friend, it could

301
00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,280
Speaker 3: be your worst enemy. But more often than your best friend,

302
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,000
Speaker 3: when you distribute pictures to the media and the public

303
00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,480
Speaker 3: sees that, you have a far increased chance of getting

304
00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,520
Speaker 3: your person identified in a case like this. It was

305
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,679
Speaker 3: a smart move to do. And we see that his

306
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,000
Speaker 3: alleged discussion with his family where he put himself at

307
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,840
Speaker 3: the scene having done it. At least that's what we're

308
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,640
Speaker 3: told that may have come as a result of all

309
00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,080
Speaker 3: the pressure involved because he couldn't hide it from them.

310
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,720
Speaker 3: He's sitting on the news, that's me he had to

311
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,120
Speaker 3: give it up. I think it was a smart move

312
00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 3: and it's done commonly.

313
00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,919
Speaker 6: And one of the things we saw Fox had video

314
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,520
Speaker 6: of police he's taking down a camera over a garage,

315
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,920
Speaker 6: which I found fascinating because we had neighbors from the

316
00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,720
Speaker 6: neighborhood when he allegedly made he shoots and then he's

317
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,040
Speaker 6: off the building and there is actually video showing him jumping.

318
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,440
Speaker 6: Then we see him limping as he's walking through backyards.

319
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,760
Speaker 6: Because they were getting calls and from residents saying, Hey,

320
00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,080
Speaker 6: I got a video of a guy running through the backyards,

321
00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 6: So I'm going to assume that he hurt himself jumping

322
00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,680
Speaker 6: off the building as far as he had to jump,

323
00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,080
Speaker 6: and he's limping through the backyards. He ditched the bolt

324
00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 6: action rifle on his escape route. Is that something that

325
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,520
Speaker 6: you would expect? Did he drop it?

326
00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,359
Speaker 1: What do you think? Why do you think we have

327
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:41,960
Speaker 1: that gun?

328
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,919
Speaker 3: Well, he's got a distance that weapon from himself. Personally,

329
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,080
Speaker 3: he can't be found with that weapon on him. It's

330
00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,320
Speaker 3: too incriminating. So he didn't want to leave it up

331
00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 3: on the roof. He took it with him and he

332
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,480
Speaker 3: figured it he would gain some time by ditching it.

333
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,320
Speaker 3: Very common guns are thrown in lakes, rivers, off bridges

334
00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,399
Speaker 3: all the time, just to get rid of the evidence

335
00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,720
Speaker 3: as much as possible. Seated it in a very haphazard way.

336
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 3: This is not a career criminal or a professional assassin.

337
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,280
Speaker 3: This is a young kid who had the intention of

338
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 3: doing this, but didn't really think out the steps afterwards

339
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,359
Speaker 3: as much as he thought he would. As far as

340
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,320
Speaker 3: as far as jumping off the roof is concerned. One

341
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 3: of the things I would do as soon as I

342
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 3: saw any video footage of that. You check all area

343
00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,680
Speaker 3: hospitals and clinics that somebody come in with a broken ankle,

344
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,240
Speaker 3: hurt leg. That's going to be one of your investigators.

345
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 6: Who's in the fourth theater jumping from this in the balcony,

346
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 6: you know, breaks his leg. So now we've got a

347
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,400
Speaker 6: suspect in custody. As this is a breaking story. The

348
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,920
Speaker 6: man who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk twenty two year old

349
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,639
Speaker 6: Utah resident Tyler Robinson. And by the way, guys, this

350
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 6: guy's not an idiot. Tyler Robinson actually had an academic

351
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,919
Speaker 6: scholarship to Logan, which is also a college in Utah.

352
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,000
Speaker 6: He attended the college campus where he was, but only

353
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,360
Speaker 6: for one semester. He's one of these really smart guys,

354
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 6: but at twenty two, has not achieved a whole lot.

355
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 6: I think that'll be something that we get Bethany on

356
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 6: to talk about. But there were multiple photos taken of

357
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 6: him that have been released. We've got him in custody

358
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 6: turning himself in. We found out that he there keeps

359
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 6: saying he did it, but allegedly somebody wrote on the

360
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 6: shell casings a number of different inscriptions.

361
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: Governor Utah.

362
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 6: Governor Spencer Cox actually listed out some of the things

363
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 6: that were written on one of the shellcasings. Hey, fascist catch.

364
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 6: I would encourage people to actually go look up your

365
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 6: definitions of what a fascist is and free speech and

366
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 6: those wonderful things we experienced here in the United States

367
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 6: of America and realize that a lot of us grew up. Hey,

368
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 6: just do your own thing, you know, live and let

369
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 6: you live that. We're not at that point anymore.

370
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 1: Now.

371
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 6: We're at this point where if if you disagree with

372
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 6: what I say, I deserve to die.

373
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: And that's not us, that's not who we are. We've

374
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: got to stop this. Charlie Kirk spoke from the heart.

375
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 6: He spoke for years trying to get people to think

376
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,919
Speaker 6: deeper and to be honest with you.

377
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 1: It was that that led to his death.

378
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 6: People don't want him to share what he thinks because

379
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 6: they don't like it. And I'm telling you, we've got

380
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 6: to actually get some leaders that will talk about this

381
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 6: openly and honestly instead of burying it.

382
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: Now.

383
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 6: Other words written on the shellcasings guys, oh bella chow

384
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 6: bella chow bella chow chow chow that's from an Italian

385
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 6: song dedicated to the resistance during World War Two. Another

386
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 6: one was if you this is actually meant as a joke. Okay,

387
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 6: if you read this, you are gay lmao. Another one

388
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 6: notices bulges, Oh woh, what's this? Granted, I'm old and crazy,

389
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 6: Get off my long guy.

390
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

391
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 6: What o wo means means, but it's part of an

392
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 6: internet meme that circulated I guess seven years.

393
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: Ago or so.

394
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 6: But these things written on shellcasings? Is that also something

395
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 6: that is common in a shooting of this nature.

396
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: I have not seen it.

397
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: I know in high profile cases recently it seems to

398
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 3: be a trend, but I have not seen it in

399
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: my career.

400
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 6: Now, Joe, back to the shooting when Charlie Kirk was shot,

401
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 6: because a lot of us did see it before it

402
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 6: was blurred. I'm still shocked, amazed and saddened that we

403
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 6: saw this because normally we don't. Normally it's as it

404
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 6: is now if you actually find a version of it online,

405
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 6: it's going to be blurred. What did you see in

406
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 6: terms of the shot hitting Charlie Kirk?

407
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 7: Well, from my perspective when I was watching and I

408
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 7: watched one that was sent to me that was kind

409
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 7: of enhanced a bit, and the shot was tighter. These

410
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 7: physiological responses that you see as he has struck and

411
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 7: part of it. Also, I think that many people that

412
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 7: follow your crime and that hear us talk about these

413
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 7: sorts of things, they don't appreciate the horror many times

414
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 7: that's involved in an event like this. How shocking it

415
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 7: is not obviously, I mean obviously to the victim, but

416
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 7: also those that are surrounding him. In this particular case,

417
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 7: if you go to the left, to the left of

418
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 7: the mid line of the neck, this is where literally

419
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 7: the entrance is right up above the collar line. It

420
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 7: appeared to me you've got just a copious amount of

421
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 7: blood that immediately begins to issue forth from him. It's

422
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 7: been speculated, and I include myself in that group, that

423
00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 7: there's high probability that it nicked probably Juggler as well

424
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 7: as perhaps the carotid, given the amount of blood. Remember,

425
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 7: these are blood supplies and returns for the brain, and

426
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 7: the brain is the most vascular organ in the body.

427
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 7: It requires a lot to function.

428
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 6: Would Charlie Kirk have been aware of what was going

429
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 6: on after that shot?

430
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 7: That's hard to say, that's almost an unanswerable question. I

431
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 7: do know this that if you had seen this image

432
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 7: he draws, you can see him drawing his right hand

433
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 7: up and the thumb appears to be clutched. This is

434
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 7: a neuromuscular response to neurotrauma. You'll see it with the

435
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 7: actually the brain, the brain stem and as well as

436
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 7: the spinal cord. All you got to do is watch

437
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 7: a football game and you'll see people that get their

438
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 7: bell rung. They'll fall to the ground and it almost

439
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 7: looks like a seizure, and then of course he topples

440
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 7: over to his left and begins to bleed out there.

441
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 7: I think there's a high probability that death was probably

442
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 7: pretty quick at this point in time. You know. I

443
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 7: talked to Nancy the other day and I said, you know,

444
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 7: even if you'd had a group of vascular surgeons standing

445
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 7: right there with him, this is so traumatic that I

446
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 7: don't I think that it probably would have been unsurvivable

447
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 7: based upon what I've seen over the years and the

448
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 7: morgues and you know, and its scenes and that sort

449
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 7: of thing.

450
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 6: And please remember a game as we talk about the

451
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 6: assassination of Charlie Cook Kirk This is a father of two,

452
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 6: had a little girl, little boy, wife Erica.

453
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: This is not us. This is not the best of us.

454
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 6: We We've got to do more to stop this from happening.

455
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 6: We can have an exchange of ideas, friends and disagree

456
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 6: and move forward with this is just not us. So Dan,

457
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 6: I want to go thank you for a minute. As

458
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 6: the investigation starts getting now, it doesn't stop after the arrest.

459
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 6: This is like the beginning part of the investigation, isn't it.

460
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so much work going on behind the scenes

461
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: right now and has been going on since the initial event.

462
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 3: Search warrants are being conducted at his residence, in his

463
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: car at many places. The actual owner of the weapon

464
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: is probably, no doubt, sitting in the police station right

465
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: now being interviewed as to how that weapon got into

466
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: this guy's hands if he's not the owner. They are

467
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: retracing steps. They are watching video footage, as doctor Scott

468
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: said before, not just of the cameras on the campus,

469
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: but anything that might have been a trail that led

470
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 3: him to the scene. They're reviewing his credit card and

471
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: debit card statements. Where did he make purchases, what did

472
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: he do recently, where has he been looking at his

473
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: text messages. There is so much work going on and

474
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: so many witnesses are being interviewed to make a very complete,

475
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: very large package that is the investigation that will be

476
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: the case that will be presented to a injury and

477
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: ultimately to a jury. There's a lot of work and

478
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: it's all very important and right now I know there's

479
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: a lot of boots on the ground in that area

480
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: doing that work and in other places too. This is

481
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 3: a massive investigation now.

482
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 6: One thing that we knew from the very beginning was

483
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 6: that we had a footprint, we had a palm print,

484
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 6: and possibly a forearm print. I want to stick with

485
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 6: the two that I'm actually familiar with, the footprint and

486
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 6: the palm print. Joseph Scott Morgan, you actually were talking

487
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 6: to me the other day about a palm print. We

488
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 6: have a national database of palm prints, just like we

489
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 6: do fingerprints, correct.

490
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we I mean, what will happen is on

491
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 7: a fingerprint card when somebody's rolled up and they're taken

492
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 7: into jail, you'll get a series of prints inked prints

493
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 7: in the past, I'm assuming that they can digitize these

494
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 7: as well, and traditionally you'll get an entirety of a print,

495
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 7: it will encompass this. But here here's the rub. If

496
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 7: this kid has never been hooked up on charges in

497
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 7: the past, guess what, He's not going to be in

498
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 7: that database. So you know that that turns into kind

499
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 7: of a dead end. I was really fascinated, I think

500
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 7: by them talking about talking about a forearm that's not

501
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 7: something that you know is normally printed, no, And I

502
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 7: think that that probably goes to some surface that he's

503
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 7: applying pressure to at that point. And we you know,

504
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 7: we excrete sweat and we excrete oil every day as

505
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 7: a matter of fact. That's we don't have fingerprints on

506
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 7: the tips of our fingers. We have friction ridges we

507
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 7: leave behind fingerprints, and so the same thing would apply

508
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 7: with kind of if your skin is greasy, you lay

509
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 7: it on a surface like this. What I'm wondering about,

510
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 7: is this going to be a spot where you can

511
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 7: harvest contact contact biological specimens from I'm thinking probably it

512
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 7: would be evidence rich in the sense that there would

513
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 7: be sweat, there would be oil that's you know, coming

514
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 7: out of the body. And also is there any partial

515
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 7: DNA you know, where you've got trace evidence of DNA

516
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 7: that's degraded skin cells sloughing off. I think that's important.

517
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 7: One other thing I'd love to bring you back to

518
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 7: is going to be these cartridges. You know, there's a

519
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 7: group of people that we forget about in forensics many times,

520
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 7: and that's question documents. They can get exemplars from this

521
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 7: guy relative to what is written on the shell casings,

522
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 7: and they can give you an idea if this, if

523
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 7: this has origins from his actual hand, how you know,

524
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 7: and were they engraved or were they written, you know,

525
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 7: because we don't know at this point.

526
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: Well we've heard the term engraved, and my first thought

527
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 6: was did they have a diamond tip thing putting it

528
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 6: on there? Or was that just an expression of using

529
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 6: a sharpie?

530
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. So again back to Dan's point, this investigation

531
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 7: is so layered and so very intense that we're not

532
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 7: going to have all of this data at one time.

533
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 7: Don't expect it. As a matter of fact, I would

534
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 7: probably after this period of time, I would imagine we'll

535
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 7: see a lessening of information that's being released because they're

536
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 7: trying to put together a packet at this point, Tom

537
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 7: to bring this guy up on charges, and it's like

538
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 7: playing poker man, you're not going to show your hand.

539
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 7: I know the public wants the information. You'll hear things

540
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 7: from peripheries, but I would imagine that the authorities are

541
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 7: probably going to shut it down pretty quickly relative to

542
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 7: how much data is going to be coming out, because

543
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 7: they're going to be putting together a case. This is

544
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 7: where this begins.

545
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 6: At this point, I don't expect Tyler Robinson to be

546
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 6: the end of the investigation in terms of an arrest Dan.

547
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 6: What are the chances that he was working with others.

548
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: I think anything's on the table right now is a possibility.

549
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: Given what we know. We know he is, we believe

550
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 3: him to be the shooter. We have no idea who

551
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: he has been in contact with, who has helped him

552
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form make this happen, what

553
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: his motivating factors were, who maybe supplied the weapons, supplied

554
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: the money. There can be other people involved. He might

555
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: be belonged to some group that we haven't heard about yet.

556
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: These are all things that are going to come out

557
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: at some point, and they may come out at trial.

558
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: But if there are more arrests, of course there'll be

559
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: more releases of information about why those persons are arrested,

560
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't guess, I wouldn't venture. I guess either way.

561
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: It's right now. It's entirely see where the evidence takes you.

562
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: But they have only begun to dive into his world,

563
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: meaning his electronic and his social media world, which is

564
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: going to speak volumes about who he is.

565
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 6: I appreciate you guys taking the time today to join

566
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 6: as Dan Murphy and Joseph Scott Morgan, and big thanks

567
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 6: to all of you. We will continue to follow this case.

568
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 6: I'm Dave mac for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace