WEBVTT - The Group Chat Episode 27: New Year, New Coach 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.720 Happy New Year groupies. To finish out nineteen, we are 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.240 of course talking about the biggest headlines surrounding the Carolina Panthers, 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.720 the coaching search. Obviously, Coach Taylor walked into a situation 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.080 at Dylan where expectations were sky high. I mean, you're 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.200 talking about a program that expects to win state titles 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.520 year in and year out. And then we go into 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.360 sharing some of our favorite memories from celebrating New Year's 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:28.520 of years past. I was in Times Square, No, did 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.000 you wear a diaper? I hear people that I walked. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.159 I walked by it and all the people were in 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.519 like the cages. They have everyone in cages. That's why 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:41.440 you have to wear a diaper. Unfortunately, all were forced 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.080 in that moment to imagine Will wearing a diaper. We 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.800 have that in so much more. On the final group 0:00:47.920 --> 0:01:01.400 chat of nineteen, you've been added to the group chat 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.160 with your friends Caroline, can Max Sensen, and Will Brian. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.920 Happy New Year everyone. If you're listening to this in 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:18.200 two thousand nineteen, that's old news. Happy twenty. This is 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.760 a weird year because I remember being a senior in 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:26.480 high school. My biology teacher had young twin boys and 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.880 they were. They were teeny tiny and had on these 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:35.039 shirts that said class of I thought, wow, that's forever away. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.679 Now they're graduating high school, they're going to college. It's weird. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.560 This is a big year. So happy new year. Hope 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.200 everyone had a great two thousand nineteen. I've seen a 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.360 lot of negative things on social media about people saying 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.600 that twenty nineteen is not a good year for them. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.760 That's sad. Is it a good year for you guys? 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.920 So maybe I think it was a good year for Willibro. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.120 It was a pretty good year. There's I mean, there's 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.800 things that didn't go great. You know, the rush defense 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:10.280 wasn't fantastic. So that your world around Panthers rush, Yes 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.800 it does, Yes, yes it does. Max is totally no. No No, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:16.560 I mean Panthers stack I got to talk about a 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.640 lot of things this year. So Panthers Stacky is happy. Yes, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:27.040 did you have a good Yeah? I've got no real complaints. Um, 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.440 I feel like it was a pretty It was a 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:32.040 pretty good year for I mean, yes, the football season 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.960 did not go great, but we don't like a small party. 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.919 Don't let our world around exactly. You can't all the time. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.640 We unfortunately cannot control the outcome of the games on Sunday, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.760 So if we let that some people on Twitter, I 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.440 think we can. Yeah, I mean, it's just we're just 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.239 here to tell the stories. So um, yeah, I would 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.080 have liked to tell some stories about some more wins, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.400 but no, I feel like twenty nine team is pretty 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.040 good to me personally. Yeah, I'm the same. Nine was 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.320 a great year for me. Is gonna be really fun. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.200 It's gonna be fun for a lot of reason ends 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.920 a lot of personal reasons, but it's also going to 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.400 be fun because of all the changes that are about 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.080 to happen to the Carolina Panthers. Of course, starting with 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.640 right now, what is stealing all headlines for us as 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.440 a content group right now is stealing our attention is 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:19.080 of course the head coaching search, whether they are rumors 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:24.200 or they are true, or their sources. We're hearing so 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.760 much about this coaching search. I know you are as well. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.560 If you're listening to this podcast nine times out of 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.519 ten you are a Panthers fan, so you are hearing 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.120 all about this too. So we thought that we would 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.960 play a little what is this wheel of fortune roulette? 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:42.800 What we we didn't really come up with a fun 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.000 name for this. Yeah, we should have done that. We're 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:50.960 really leaving. We came up with us off of the 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:57.200 coaching carousel because that happens every year. Roulette wheel. All right, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.520 let's do the roulette. So that's what we're doing. We're 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.320 going to just spin the wheel that we have up 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.440 here with coaches names on them, and we're just going 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.600 to talk about what you worked really hard on this 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.800 wheel too. It looks beautiful with all the names on 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:13.880 it all. I love the prices, right, and so I 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.960 just kind of pulled in my best crafty showcase showdown 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.760 right obviously that the listeners can't see. But it's this 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.440 huge wheel that's right in front of us, and Matt 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.159 is literally going to spin this thing until we land 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.440 on a coach. Better give it a good space. We've 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:34.039 given that an official, an official role in this podcast 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.240 other than being the producer that puts it all together. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.200 So are you excited about that? Very excited. It's a 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.560 very heavy wheel to spin too. Yeah, it was a 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.200 bit of a pain to get it in this studio. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.919 We managed it is, all right, So you get you 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.719 get it. We're gonna spin it. We're gonna talk about it, UM, 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.360 and then we're just going to run through as many 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.719 as we can without making this the longest podcast of 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:59.560 nine we'll leave this UM and inappropriate yes, appropriate links. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.880 So let's has jump into this. Not spin the wheel, 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:12.760 good spin nice. What are we laying? First? Up is 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:20.680 Mike McCarthy. This is everyone's favorite Mike McCarthy. Well, I 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.040 know you want to talk about Mike McCarthy. McCarthy, about Mike, 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:30.400 you're actually my Packer sweater. So Mike McCarthy obviously Aaron 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.279 Rodgers Mike McCarthy have been the dynamic tandem for much 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.680 of the last decade. Rumored already to have been interviewed 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.960 twice according to reports. I think the big thing to 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:46.360 know about Mike is Mike. Mike, my old buddy Mike. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:51.719 That just I love Mike. You know Mike, Mike Mack, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.359 you know Mike U. So McCarthy was fired by the 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.760 Packards after or kind of near the end of the 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.400 season UM two years where Rogers was hurt kind of 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.960 in his last two years there. Obviously had a long 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.600 time with Rogers, a lot of success. Offensive coach spent 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.200 some of the nineties with the Kansas City Chiefs, Um, 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.360 but obviously offensive minded, one of the older candidates among 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.000 the candidates that have been listed so far. UM kind 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.480 of the big the big storyline around him is that 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.800 he spent this whole last year essentially in a bunker 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.919 up in Wisconsin, looking over tape with Jim Haslett, Frank Sinnetti, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.920 and Scott McCurley, literally going through, week by week, this 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:32.840 is what I'm gonna do on a Tuesday. This is 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.440 how I'm gonna structure practice, this is how we're gonna 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.719 game plan for this, looking back over old Packers tapes, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.520 looking at what all of the innovative offenses of the 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.719 league are doing right now, the Chiefs obviously uh studying them, 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.479 the Ravens looking at what these teams are doing and 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.640 trying to figure out ways to kind of innovate and 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.920 create new ways to go about creating his own offense. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.520 So he's putting out the right he's putting out the 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.560 right storyline. He's certainly saying what you want to hear 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.479 of innovation and old school toughness, and that that's what 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.560 he's trying to convey. So that's kind of why he's 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.920 he's on the radar right now, and he was someone 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:11.960 that they could interview early that they didn't have to 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.560 wait till the end of the season because he was 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.160 already you know out Yeah. Yeah. You imagine he has 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.640 come very prepared for his interviews after spending a year 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.560 in a bunker evaluating everything there is to see with 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.480 NFL football these days. Um yeah. I thought that was 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.600 super interesting just reading about that throughout the course of 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.840 the year, that this guy, a Super Bowl champion head coach, 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.720 was kind of just rededicating himself to evaluating his own 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.080 philosophies as well as the philosophies of those around the league. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:41.320 The thing about McCarthy is it's like he was obviously 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.280 blessed to have a guy like Aaron Rodgers as his quarterback, 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.119 but it's also kind of something that's like a knock 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.080 against him now, it's like, how come you didn't win 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.240 more with Aaron Um And I think that's one of 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.960 the questions people have about McCarthy is, Okay, so you 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.080 had one of the greatest quarterback talents of all time. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.280 They did win that one super Bowl. They had some 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.160 great seasons fifteen and one season, a twelve and four season, 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.400 won that division, a bunch of years in a row, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.400 But why was there not more? And I think that's 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.840 the question that Mike is answering in these in these interviews, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.440 actually looks for his next job. Yeah, we're all just 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:18.880 on a first name bracism Mike, but there's no denying 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.400 that the best we saw Aaron Rodgers was, you know, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.160 with with Mike McCarthy. I mean when when those two 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.240 were really humming. I mean it was that was something 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.800 especially I just didn't win as much, Like it's hard 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:30.680 enough to win one super Bowl, So he's got that. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:32.680 You know, there's not many guys out there interviewing for 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.920 jobs with a Super Bowl ring, but I think people 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.520 do wonder, Okay, you had Aaron Rodgers, how comedian't win more? Well? 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.680 And that that might be a theme as we continue 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.760 down this wheel today of well, all of these guys 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.040 had this stud at quarterback, you know, so it's like 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.199 how much of it is really them versus how much 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:51.640 of it is this player that's kind of carrying their success. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.720 I mean, one way or another. You can always debate, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.600 you know, how much of its play calling, how much 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.520 much of it just this is an incredible quarterback. I 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.200 wonder with Mike, since we all know him so well 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:05.040 he would be a coordinator. I think he has prepared 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.440 himself so much and put this narrative out of being 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.959 a head coach. But like we're saying, there are some 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.040 things against him that in this new age of NFL, 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.960 maybe he doesn't fit the bill of what these owners 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.160 are looking for in a head coach. Would he go 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.319 in and be a coordinator because he has all the 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.720 philosophies and he knows he has proven to be that 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:27.839 type of coach. But I do wonder about that of 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.000 cold hold himself to be the head coach, or would 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.280 he go in under a young, hot shot coach and 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.319 be the coordinator. I think he's he's earned the right 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.800 to be a head coach again. And I think with 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.160 the way this league works and guys getting recycled around 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.800 and another opportunities, I mean this, this guy's got a 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.160 super Bowl ring again. There there aren't many head coaches 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.120 who have that. I do think. I mean, he's gonna 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.000 be a play caller if he's head coach again, and 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.439 that's going to be part of the deal. It's like 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.120 he's gonna call plays because he feels like that's what 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.000 that's what he brings to the table as an offensive mind. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.280 So I think he'll get another shot to be a 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.520 head coach. I don't know where that'll be. Maybe it's here, um, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.400 but I think he's He's a guy someone's going to 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.400 take a chance and then rightfully so. But you would 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.280 have to wonder if this cycle, I mean, you know, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.280 his name has obviously been now been connected to a 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.160 number of teams. You know, if this cycle goes through 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.520 and he doesn't get a job, I mean I I'd 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.880 wonder that, you know, if two years out of the league, 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.679 then you start to you know, you start to question that. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.680 All right, But that's five minutes on Mike. So let's see. 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:29.000 Let's go who are who's our next guy? Wheel? It's 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:42.679 been that wheel? John Can under this is a dark 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.240 horse in this race. Everyone does anyone know who John 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.280 Can is? Out there? I don't think they're gonna have 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:48.839 to tell us a little bit more. This is my 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.920 dad was going to say, I think this is so funny. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.880 I jokingly threw this out in a planning meeting because 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.880 my dad looks like a football coach. So I just 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.160 that it would be funny if we wanted to create 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.959 some buds and some rumors to just have my dad 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.599 fly in to you know, you don't even need to 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.439 fly in, just walk out of the airport looking like 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.800 a coach, have a black car pick him up, bring 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.240 him to Bank of America Stadium, just have him walk in, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.559 just so people would be like, who is this guy 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.880 that the Panthers are interviewing? What's his resume look like? Yeah, 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.640 tell us a little about what what kind of coaches 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:32.400 he's He's definitely a player's coach. He is more offense. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.880 He played offensive line in college, so he was definitely 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.120 all he's all about the trenches. That was really where 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:43.640 he feels old school toughness, but very much so, very 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.080 very into the discipline and making sure that guys have 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.160 a routine. That was his big deal when he was 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.520 he was coaching high school ball was to teach these 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.440 guys some discipline, which you know that that builds some 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.640 type of culture here. And so I I, you know, 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.400 I really think guys should really give John Candle. Look now, 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.600 when you say he looks like a coach, like to 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.040 describe what you mean by that, and like, like what 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.800 was his game day attire? Like was he like he's 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.480 like in your classic. The game day really wasn't where 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.679 he shines. Where he shines is I mean he does 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.840 in his coaching ability, but looking like a coach. Yeah, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.040 we want to coach a shine on game day. That's 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.200 kind of important. He wants it, you know, he wants 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.920 some things now. But where he shines and looking like 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.800 a football coach is just on a random Tuesday at Target. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.520 He is always looking like. He came to training camp 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:36.040 this past year in Spartanburg and people instantly were like, 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.839 where's he coach? Yeah, where's hey coach over here? He 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.400 came up to Indianapolis to training camp when I was there, 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.840 and instantly people that I did not know, we're asking, 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:50.240 where's he coach? He looked? He just if you if 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.760 you were going to cast a football coach in a movie, 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:59.280 you would be looking for a John John look coach. Name. Yeah, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:04.680 he John Kane Is. There's a lot of casting calls 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.240 for these movies. I think he would just be a 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.520 phenomenal extra in a movie. I don't know if he 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.560 has the acting chops to be the lead guy, but 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.520 who knows. My dad is a talented Well. I think 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.360 I'm gonna spend the wheel again because we're looking for 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:24.160 a real coach, not a TV coach. Wow, he was 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:28.000 a real coach. He is You make it really tough 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.360 to be nice to you. He is a he has 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.480 a real coach. He actually became an I think John 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.920 Cant could put together a great staff with some good coordinators. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.599 He really could. People would want to work for it. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.760 But he did stop coaching. I do understand where you're 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:44.319 coming from. He stopped coaching in two thousand twelve, and 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.480 now he's refreshed. He's energy. He's been watching a lot 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:49.840 of taple, watching a lot of he's been in a 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:53.720 bunker in Carolina, he has. He's been learning kind of 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.400 the organizational type as an athletic director. So he would 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.880 be able to come in and instantly you go, John, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:11.000 all right, spind the wheel. Matt Matt Rule, hot name, 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.280 hot name. Everybody's talking about Matt Rule right now. What 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.440 do we think he's interviewing for every job available? If 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.600 we talked about the game, what do we think about 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.280 his you know we're just talking at game day attire. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.000 What do we think about that book? So he's got 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.160 to look, Yeah, he's got this like this look that 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:32.480 I guess became his things l w K. It's like 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.120 a little like it's like a kind of like windbreaker 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.080 vest with the hoodie short sleeve right underneath, and I 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.600 guess his players and everybody just sort of like got behind. 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.600 It was like had these like Matt Powers. It's the 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:48.480 casual Belichick. Yeah yeah, I like the college Belichick. Uh yeah, 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:53.480 rules and an interesting guy. I mean his resume looks 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.480 a little like this. Took over Temple as their head coach. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.480 They were too in tennis, first year six and six 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.360 and next year ten and four, ten and three, so 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.640 a complete turnaround rebuild. Then he gets the bailor job. 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.520 First year there one and eleven, next year seven and six, 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:09.840 next year eleven and two. So he clearly has a 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.640 track record of getting to places, figuring out where the 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.480 problem areas are, addressing them, and then they become really good, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.240 really competitive. Obviously, this is at the in the college ranks, 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.240 so there's a transition to be made about coming to 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.480 the NFL. But clearly with the amount of interest that 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.120 people have in him, he's got the type of personality, 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.720 the demeanor. I like his honesty. I like the way 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.600 he approached his his team, meeting with his Bailor players 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.040 and was like, guys, I would be dumb not to 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.800 hear these teams out, and he credited the players like, 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.520 I'm not getting this opportunity with that you guys going 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.600 on the field and getting wins. So I just like 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.640 the way he's handling it all. Obviously comes from a 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:47.040 really good coaching tree with guys he's worked for. So yeah, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.480 he's gonna have a job soon. Um. And it seems 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.640 like teams are lining up to be you know, the 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.120 ones potentially offer him. Yeah, the Giants are very very 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.040 interested in him. He said no to interviewing for the 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:04.560 Cleveland Browns apparently, so that's that's something. Yeah. Um, So yeah, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.680 this is a This is an interesting person because when 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.080 we heard David Tepper first talk, he said, you know, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.160 having that NFL experience would be nice, but he didn't 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:21.240 rule out the fact of of not rule. He didn't 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.320 rule out talking to college coaches, And this one is 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.440 interesting and I thought that, you know, the big question 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.840 is can he make that transition. I think the fact 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.120 that he held the meeting with his players and was 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.320 very upfront with him that's the NFL. That's what makes 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.080 team successful. As the transparency the honesty, the this is 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.440 a business, this is you know everybody like Ben. I 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.120 think that is a big indicator if he has those 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.040 intangibles that you want out of a coach. Now there's 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.960 a lot more to it. The NFL is, of course, 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.720 this national brand, and at Baylor, not too many people 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.520 unless you're in Waco or super you know, paying attention 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.640 to that or in Texas. So I think there is 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.760 that as well. But I like him. I like how 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.199 he's handled the press. I like how he's handled his 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.040 business of they play on New Year's Day, so watching 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.080 pay attention to tune in to see how they play. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.120 I'm I'm super interested he's going. I think he will 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.760 land in the NFL, which just seems pretty where. Yeah. Yeah, 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.200 and again like that the Bailor program, like with everything 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.679 that went on there, like that was not an easy 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.280 situation to walk into. So yeah, he's clearly got the 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.159 coaching chaps. Um. I would be curious to see what 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.679 kind of staff he could put together. I think a 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.040 lot for a lot of these guys, it's important that 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.080 they have somebody with NFL head coaching experience on their 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.480 staff to kind of help them with that transition. Um, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.560 and he's not necessarily a specialist type like this isn't 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:48.560 like whiz kid offensive mind or some you know, defensive 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.920 coordinator who's just shut teams down throughout his tenure. He's 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.119 kind of a he's a program builder and and I 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.240 think that can transfer to the NFL. But a lot 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.480 of these NFL owners now are looking for a guy 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.640 who's going to give them a specific edge on one 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.840 side of the ball, you know, and say we're we 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.080 know we're going into this game with an advantage because 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.320 this guy can call plays better than anybody else. Rule 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.199 is a little bit of a different um candidate in 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.719 that sense, and that his strength is obviously being the 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.080 CEO type to kind of bring rise all ships. Would 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.000 you say that he plays by his own rules? I 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.280 think I think you could say that. I think and 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.199 and finally, I mean and I think the Panthers but 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.159 I think they need that right now. You know, I 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.359 don't think they need, you know, a whiz kid to 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.000 come in and sit in a room. And I think, 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.639 you know, that's why his coordinator hires would be important, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.040 right because there needs to be a culture were established 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.760 right now, and look at what's coming for the Panthers 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.000 in the next three years. I mean, you're you're moving 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.359 from your headquarters being an uptown Charlotte to moving it to, 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.840 you know, fifteen minutes away in South Carolina. What's that 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.399 going to look like for where you're coaching staff lives, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.520 where your players live, how the game. I mean, there's 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:59.600 a lot of just organization changes that a guy like 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.080 this seems to have the chops to be able to 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:03.840 handle that and move forward. I think that's a big 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:05.400 thing too, if you can. I mean, if your team 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.400 doesn't know what they're doing when they're doing it, that 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.960 that's problem number one. And it seems like he's done 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.760 that for sure. He is. He has to keep his 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.560 name at the top of your list if you're keeping 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.440 up with this coaching search. Spend the wheel again, Matt's 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:32.840 please Josh McDaniels. You want to take a take a 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.040 stab at Josh here, first tell us a little b 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.520 about Mr McDaniels. I just have a history with Josh 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.640 McDaniels because I was a part of the content team 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.800 in Indianapolis when we agreed to terms with Mr McDaniels 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:49.760 to come and then he did it. So he's a 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:51.919 great coach and he's done this before. This is not 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:53.960 the first time that he has said I will go 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.800 and you know, then comes back to New England, goes 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:01.320 back to New England. I think he's his His His hires 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:04.439 will also be a very big deal. They're all going 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.120 to be a big deals. Coordinators are. But I think 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.560 him even more because he has been Belichick's right hand 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.520 man for years and Belichick has made it very clear 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.080 that he doesn't want Josh to leave, but Josh has 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.840 continued to, you know, poke his head out of the 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.720 sand and look at the opportunities that are coming. Obviously, 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.000 he has had Tom Brady to be, you know, the puppet. 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.560 I'm not who's sure who's the puppet or puppet master 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.880 in that relationship, but um, he's had him to work with. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.280 Of course, all the success that they've had in New England. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.840 I think what is interesting when you look at assistants 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.520 that come out of New England is they try to 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.640 be Belichick. And then that's what you see in Detroit, 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.600 in Tennessee. That's what you know, we kind of heard 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.560 about Josh McDaniels coming out is and that's what owners want, 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.720 owners want. What New England is doing, and so yes, 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.520 that's a very easy way to kind of sell yourself. 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.959 I think Josh McDaniels is a fantastic coach and he 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.880 was an exciting hire when when we initially hired him 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.720 in India for a few minutes, just a couple of days. 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.920 It was really exciting. Um. But I don't know, I'm 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:15.760 I'm on the fence about this. I think he's great. 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.040 I think he would he obviously interviews very very well 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.800 and he would have this plan. I just I'm just 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.119 weird about him. Yeah, yeah, well, and look, obviously you 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.320