1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ and 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Buck with you? Buck? What is going on? Man? 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 2: Not too much? 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: DJ? Getting rid of for the holidays? DJ? What's your favorite? 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: What's your favorite dessert? Favorite dessert? Favorite dessert? Thanksgiving? Yeah, 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: you know what. I like a pumpkin pie, just just Thanksgiving. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm not I don't have it any other time of 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: the year. Not mel Kuiper has it every day. But 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: I do like it there So if I have a choice, 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: you know what my favorite my favorite flavor is, give 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: me pecan pie with ice cream. Oh look at you 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: cooking n night. Okay, So now that you know, are 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: you apple pie guy? You? No? 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 2: No, I'm a sweet, sweet potato pie like from the South, 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: sweet potatoes everything. So it's funny because before you popped on, 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: I was talking to Gavin. I got a pick up 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: the pies like that is. I try not to indulge. 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: I'm trying to be better, making sure everything is right. 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: But Thanksgiving I'm looking today. 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: It's a cheap day. It's a cheap I have a 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: better myself, you know, but you gotta have you gotta 23 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: have those. I mean, come on, it should be fine. Okay, 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Pumpkin picked that one. And by the way, I'm I 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: feel like I'm in the minority on this. I like 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: green Bean castrole, but I feel like every year at Thanksgiving, 27 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm the only one who goes in. 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know all myself. Yeah, if it was the pod, 29 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: like I just slide it, slide it all the way 30 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: over to you. 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: You can have it. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, 32 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: I like it. I like the mashed potatoes kind of 33 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: getting in there a little bit. 34 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, I'm I'm a cranberry cranberry sauce guy. 35 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: I like stuffing. I love stuffing with little giblick gravy 36 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: over top. I am uh turkey. I'm more dark meat 37 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: than white meat. 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm more more leg And what about hand versus turkey? 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Where do you come out on that? Like, if I'm 40 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: doing I'm gonna I'm gonna go turkey all day. I'm 41 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: lean towards ham, especially the the hand with the Hawaiian role. 42 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Slide that little I knew Hawaiian role. It's so funny. 43 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: I was thinking about roles, and I was thinking about 44 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 2: Hawaiian roles versus the old brown Yeah, round of server 45 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: rolls from way back up. 46 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are solid. Stop man, I'm getting hungry here. 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: But there were some games that we didn't hit on. 48 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on from last week as we 49 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of move forward into this week. But one of 50 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: them was Seattle in Tennessee. Not a game I think 51 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: we would really pay much attention to. I thought cam 52 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Ward did some good things and made some play, especially 53 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: towards the end of that ball game, made some big 54 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: time throws. And I think with these young receivers that 55 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: they have, I'm excited that they have some pieces that 56 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: they can kind of move forward with. Yeah. 57 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: Now, the cam Ward conversation is interesting because he is 58 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: the least discussed number one overall pick that I've ever 59 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: known in my scouting lif Like, no one really talks 60 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: about him, but he certainly has made some strides. 61 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: That was a good game. 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see him this weekend because the Jacks 63 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: go into Nashville to take him on so to see 64 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: how the progress is going for him. Obviously, he's an 65 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: attractive quarterback to work with because looking at him coming 66 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: from Miami, you can see all of the horsepower, all 67 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: of the big time throws, the alpha dog leadership persona. 68 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: All that stuff is there, and he is progressing. He 69 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot to work with. But what I 70 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: want to see from him is to just continue to 71 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: get better and to see if he'll just keep swinging, like, 72 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: just keep swing, keep playing hard. Can he find a 73 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: way to keep his offense moving intoing those things because's 74 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 2: gonna bow because eventually they go surround them with the 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: right pieces and his game is going upop. 76 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: But I don't want to see what he looks. 77 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: Like doing the storm because that speaks volumes about his 78 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: football character and how he's going to be when he 79 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: finally flips it and it becomes advantageous for him. 80 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: They're gonna make a good spot right now. They have 81 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: the number one overall peck, so I'm sure they will 82 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: put that thing up for sale in the hopes that 83 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: somebody wants to come up for a quarterback and maybe 84 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: some buzzle build on these quarterbacks as we get through 85 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: the process. But I did think he did some good 86 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: things there. They need to continue to add to that 87 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: offensive line. Man. They got to make some upgrades there, 88 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: no question if they want to take the next step 89 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: forward New England Cincinnati, New England just kind of I 90 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: would say ugly to it up, but they found a 91 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: way to get to the winner circle. There. They lost 92 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: a couple of linemen, those two rookies that have played 93 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: well for him and Wilson as well as you lose 94 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: a very very talented left tackle, Will Campbell. So that 95 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: was a win, but almost felt like a loss with 96 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: those two injuries. 97 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, non, that's big because one thing that we do 98 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: know about the Patriots, they've been so good because they've 99 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: had all their weapons in place, and as they're getting 100 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: down the stretch, if they're starting to get banged up 101 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: while other teams are beginning to get their players, it 102 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: changes the dynamic. But I would say this, man, I 103 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: love what they've been able to do this year, the 104 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: Mike Rabel effect, Josh McDaniels with the young quarterback and 105 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 2: how it's coming together, Traveon Henderson beginning to emerge, Stefan 106 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: Diggs playing well coming off with that injury a season ago. Man, 107 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: it's really bright for the Patriots. But now that you're 108 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: in it, DJ, you kind of want to get greedy. 109 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: I've already got the ten you want to see, like 110 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: how far can we push this thing if we finished 111 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: strong so that it'd be great to see what Drake 112 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 2: made looks like in the postseason, because that's the next step. 113 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 2: Because as we talked about the game getting, the games 114 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: get bigger, they get faster, more physical than those things. 115 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: How does he respond to that big game element. That's 116 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: what I don't want to see from him as he 117 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 2: gets into the postseason. Also doesn't feel like the Murderers 118 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: row in the AFC anymore. I mean they have a 119 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: number one seed. 120 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: It could all go through New England like the old days, 121 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: and you start looking around. The Chiefs aren't really the Chiefs. 122 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: The Bills aren't what they've been, The Ravens aren't what 123 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: they've been. Cincinnati is not going to make the tournament. 124 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: It is wide open if you're any team We talk 125 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: about the patient, but if you're any team DJ, the 126 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: only thing you're trying to do is just get a 127 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: dancing a ticket to because if you get a ticket 128 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 2: to the dance, anybody can win this because there's not 129 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: a prohibitive favorite in the AFC. 130 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: From Denver's there, but they don't have that experience. They 131 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: got a great defense, but the offense is in. I mean, 132 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: for every team has a fatal flaw. 133 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: There's not really a complete team in the AFC, whereas 134 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: in the NFC it's. 135 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: A little different. It's a little more stacked. 136 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so now this is a great time if you're 137 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: the Patriots, I mean, you're might grabe. You can stand 138 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: in front of the team say hey, guys, we can 139 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: go we can go win this thing. If we continue 140 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: to progress, we can win this thing at the end. 141 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: What's your panic level with JJ mccarthinking is they got 142 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: handled a little bit by the Packers. It's crazy. 143 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: Like so here's what I'll say, Like, because we scouted before, 144 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: like social media was a thing. Man as a front 145 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: office exec, now you have to be so convicted in 146 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: your place because the noise is louder than ever before. 147 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: And with JJ McCarthy, I think we still have to 148 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: remember this is his rookie season. In essence, he didn't 149 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: play last year, off season whatever, So he's six seven 150 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: games in and look, they're gonna be some moments. 151 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: I think. 152 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: The big thing you're Kevin O'Connell. You're the organization man. 153 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: You got to find a way to kind of weather 154 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: the storm, and you got to find a way to 155 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: get everyone on board while helping the young quarterback develop. 156 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: The only way he's gonna get better, he has to 157 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: go through the struggle. You can't pull him out and 158 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: your thinking that it's going to get better. You got 159 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: to stand firm in there, and he has to stand 160 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: Tanto's down and find a way to get to the 161 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: other side, because once he gets to the other side, 162 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: these lessons are going to help him. But he just 163 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: has to do it. So I'm not panicked about it. 164 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: I just know it's kind of part of the process. 165 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: But that's also me saying it without a Viking's affiliation. 166 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: And there's nothing that I have right noticed, I say, 167 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: hey have more patients. They're in a win now mode 168 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: based on their roster, and the fan base is clamoring 169 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: for them to go on. 170 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: So I was thinking back to that draft, right and 171 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: you got those six quarterbacks that go towards the top 172 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: of the draft and the top half of the first round, 173 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: and odds are just they are what they are. Everybody 174 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: everybody needed. So I was thinking of the like the knocks, 175 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: if you're going to say, what were the fears of 176 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: those quarterbacks? So Caleb was too much off schedule right, 177 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: and he's improved that big time from last year to 178 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: this year. So that's great to see Jad and Daniels. 179 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, it was more of the 180 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: frame and like, is this guy built for the NFL 181 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: to be able to hold up? Now? He held up 182 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: the first year they went to the conference championship game 183 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: and this year he's been on the shelf. So that 184 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: durability is was the concern and has raised its head 185 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: a little bit this year. Drake Drake was okay, trying 186 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: to be trying to be too much like trying to 187 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: be a little bit too much Superman like, trying to 188 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: make hero plays, and he's he's been able to make 189 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: the magical plays without the mistakes. Like he's found I mean, 190 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: he's found kind of nirvana here this year with the 191 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: way that he's put it all together. But that was 192 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: probably the knocker the concern there, Pennix, What was it? Buck? 193 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: It was a durability. The guy has been heard his 194 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: whole career and here we are again with another acl 195 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: Like that's a major that's a major issue. Bo Nicks 196 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: was which bone Nicks are you getting? You're getting the 197 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: Auburn bon Knicks you're getting the Oregon bone knicks and 198 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: then maybe he's hit his head on the ceiling. Maybe 199 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: he's kind of maxed out. That was the question on him, 200 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: And then JJ McCarthy was he just hadn't played a lot. 201 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: He didn't played a lot. They didn't ask him to 202 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: throw it a lot, like he's young. Like this is 203 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: kind of like the unknown. So if we're looking at 204 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: all of these, the two that would be the most 205 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: concerning for me going forward would be Panix with his 206 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: durability concerns, and would be JJ with the lack of experience. 207 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: Would be the two. The two of these six I 208 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: would say, okay, at this point getting the hat over 209 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: halfway through year two, those would be the two I'd 210 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: be a little bit worried about. 211 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: And it makes sense because one thing we do know, 212 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: like the injury history is significant. So first with Michael Pennix, 213 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: you talked about five season injuries now in eight of 214 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: the last season that he's played. Man, it's hard to 215 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: overcome that, and that's that's a part of his history, 216 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: that's part of his legacy, and that's always going to 217 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: be a part of the conversation for him going forward. 218 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: For JJ, McCarthy. It goes back to the truisms that 219 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: we know about the quarterback position. It is really hard 220 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: to be good at quarterback in the National Football League 221 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: when you don't have a lot of starts in college, 222 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: and he didn't have a lot of starts. 223 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: He was going to take time to develop. 224 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: But we are learning in this league no one has 225 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: the patience to wait for developmental players. And maybe they 226 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: can figure out a way to scheme it up and 227 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: to trick it up until he kind of catches up 228 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: with the speed of the game. But this was always 229 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: going to be the struggle. Bo Nicks has significant stars. 230 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: Jayde Daniels had significant stars. Kavi Williams was a three 231 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: year star like everybody else had experienced. He didn't, And 232 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 2: so what we're hoping on is that he can hit 233 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: and figure it out. I just don't know if they 234 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: have enough time to wait on him to catch up 235 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: with the rest of the team. 236 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it'll be interesting to follow that quarterback class, 237 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, years down the road to see how it 238 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: all pans out for him. Uh, it was what's the difference, 239 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: Why is it? Why is it working for Drake? 240 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: Because Drake didn't have He only had two years experience, 241 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: Like the experience was comparable between the two. 242 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: They put the game on his shoulder. That that that 243 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: Carolina team even when they had a good back, that 244 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: good backs, that that offense you watched him every week. 245 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: That that ran through Drake and he had monster He 246 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: had a monster season the year before for year. Yeah, 247 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: first year for sure Carolina. That that offense JJ McCarthy. 248 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: I mean everybody go, okay, the Alabama game, like you 249 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: can find a game here or there, but that that 250 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: team did not run through JJ McCarthy. That team ran 251 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: to the defense in the run game. 252 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he had more moments, So he had moments of 253 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: having to be the game changer where Drake may had 254 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: to own on the game. This goes through me. I 255 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: am not managing this team. This is my show. Let's 256 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: go get in. 257 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, you know, to use the acting thing 258 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: like he was the leading man and JJ McCarthy was 259 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: a supporting actor. So you know, that's just it is 260 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: where it is, and we'll see how it goes going forward. 261 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: But obviously Drake is he's in a great place. They 262 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: put a good group around him and coaches and players, 263 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: and he's he's taken off and and right now you'd 264 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: say he's the best of the bunch of this entire class. 265 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: But interesting to see the playoff experience you're going to get. 266 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: Caleb's got a good chance to make the playoffs this year. 267 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: We talked about Jaye Daniels in the playoffs last year. 268 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: Drake's going to be in the playoffs this year. Oh 269 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: Nicks last year and this year most likely. So again, 270 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: the two guys that you worry about are JJ and Pennox. 271 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: We'll see you know what happens with them going forward 272 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: if anything changes there. All right, Buck, let's pause for 273 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: a second and we'll be right back a couple more results. 274 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to get to you on here. We didn't 275 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: talk about your Jags. Actually we did talk a little 276 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: bit about your jags finding a way to eque out 277 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: and uh a little bit. 278 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 2: I gonna ask you. 279 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: I want to, I want to. 280 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: I want to ask you just because I feel like 281 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: I'm too close to the Trevor Lawrence situation. So I 282 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: want to ask you as an ounsider, because you saw 283 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: him a couple of weeks ago with the charges. You've 284 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: seen him obviously when he was coming out. You've heard 285 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: about him when he was a freshman at Clemson. He 286 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: leads him to the Natty and all that other stuff, 287 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: like what are your thoughts? Like, we're five years in 288 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: and he is still like polarizing when people have this 289 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: discussion on who he is and what he's going to 290 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 2: be as a franchise player. 291 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: So I just remember when I was a kid, You're 292 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: playing Little league and they would tell you like you 293 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: just want you want it so bad. But you remember 294 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: them saying like, hey, hey, you're I can see your 295 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: white knuckles. You are squeezing the life out of the bat. 296 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: Like relaxed loose. He plays to me like somebody whose 297 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: shoulders are scrunched up, Like it's just he's very he's 298 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: very tight. He's not he's I don't know. That's what 299 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: I thought. Just watching him. I thought, Okay, they can 300 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: scheme some things and give him some things and he 301 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: can hit it. But I did not see a guy 302 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: who was playing confident, relaxed loose. It just didn't. It 303 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: just didn't look like the same guy that I saw. 304 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: I saw him playing in college multiple times, and that 305 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: was a more confident version of who he is. 306 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: So I gonna ask you this because I wanted in 307 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: then to get to the conversation that Liam Cohen had 308 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: with him about just let it rip. Defensive minded coaches, 309 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: defensive coaches or some coaches teach ball security first, play 310 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: making second. As a quarterback and someone who's been that, 311 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: how does that change your misset if someone is always 312 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: telling you, like right before you break down the ball, hey, hey, 313 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: take care of the ball. So to go from that 314 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: to now have someone to stell you, ay man, let 315 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: it go. We can live with an inner option two. 316 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: How hard is it for you to do the brain flip, 317 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 2: even from scaling it down and being conservative, to know 318 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: a literate be more aggressive. 319 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's why you almost have that mental coach, 320 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, someone a psychologist you can talk to, because 321 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: I firmly believe in that you can have a It's 322 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: like when you you know, we talked about the golf stuff. 323 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: You never want to think don't hit it in the water, 324 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: don't hit it in the trap, don't hit it at 325 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: a bounce. So you want to think I'm attacking. This 326 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: is where I'm going. I can see it, I can 327 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: visualize it, I'm gonna get it there. And it's an 328 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: aggressive mindset. I don't think you're ever going to be 329 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: successful at that position if you're passive and if you're 330 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: if you're scared, you know, if you if you're so 331 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: worried about turn the ball over, make a mistake. And 332 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: that's organizations have failed a lot of quarterbacks by beating 333 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: that into their head. You know. I think that's I 334 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: think that's a major issue. It's tough to overcome too 335 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: when you've been programmed that way. 336 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that's where he's at and that's 337 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: where he's trying to come out of. And I would 338 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: say watching it this week against the Cardinals, as you know, man, 339 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: it's hard when you turn it over four times when 340 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: you have three interceptions, but to keep throwing, I would 341 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: say that might have been the breakthrough in terms of 342 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: he never let it, he never scaled it back. The 343 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: throat that he made to Parker Washington in the end 344 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: zone was a big time throw, and for him to 345 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: continue to make those throws, I think he speaks to 346 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: him maybe beginning to turn the corner in terms of 347 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: being a guy that can play free and loose and 348 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: go after it while having some charnovers. Because some guys 349 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: you just have to know Hey, don't turn the ball 350 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: over like this is you bake that into the planet. 351 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: Understand it. 352 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: But I think he has to play to the line 353 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: or to the edge for the team to maximize who 354 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: they can be with him. 355 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: I think there's different turnovers though. I think interception wise, 356 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: like I saw Philip Rivers throw a lot of interceptions 357 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: covering him with the Chargers over the years, but it 358 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: was always I'm going, I'm attacking, you know, I mean, 359 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: like it was an aggressive mistake. It wasn't a h 360 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a not a confident throw and 361 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: the ball might take off on you and you get 362 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: some picks Philip, and Philip live with it. He just 363 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: his chin strap and that way and that way in 364 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: one air out the other. Like he moved on. And well, 365 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean like that's because I was thinking about it 366 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: with with Donald, Like Donald's throwing some interceptions. But Donald, 367 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: what I've been impressed with him this year is that, yeah, 368 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: he's had he's had a game like that and then 369 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: he just flushes it and he didn't affect him and 370 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: he's still attacking, he's still pushing the ball down the field. 371 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: So I think within that game, you're discussing maybe that 372 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: is a good sign for him going forward that he 373 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: was able to stay on the attack a little bit. 374 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point with Donald and even on 375 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: Monday night watching Brod Perdy throw three interceptions, like how 376 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: hard is it to keep firing when you do have 377 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: some turnovers and some of them are bad, some of 378 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: them are you know, deflected balls. But can you just 379 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: pick the ball up and continue to go after it? 380 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: It's one of those things we talk about with quarterbacks. 381 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: I need to see him have a little diversity in college. 382 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: What do they look like when they throw an interception? 383 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: What does the next few passes look like right after 384 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: the interception? Do they scale it back or do they 385 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: go right back to it and they're just as aggressive 386 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: as they were previously. 387 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: Well, are you surprised at all the Baltimore's back in 388 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: first place after that one? 389 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: I no, because I think we talked about it. Here's 390 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: what I will say about Baltimore. You know their organization. 391 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: I would give John Harbor a lot of credit. When 392 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 2: the noise is loud and people are talking about all 393 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: the changes, he just stayed the course. They made some 394 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: changes defensively, obviously, moving call Hamilton down in the box. 395 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: They got the trade, Malachot Stars goes back to playing 396 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: a little more center fielder action, the defenses beginning to 397 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: come together and keep everything in front, and then offensively, 398 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: man when Lamar Jackson back, it changes a lot of. 399 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: What they do. 400 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: I think the main thing for the Ravens is they 401 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: lost some games early that you wouldn't think would shake 402 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: their confidence, but it shook their confidence. Derrick Henry fumbling early, 403 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: some of those things. But DJ they're a favorite to 404 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: win the division. Now, they're playing better than Pittsburgh. They're 405 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: a dangerous team. They're more dangerous team than Pittsburgh. Yeah, 406 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: it took them a while to find their way, but 407 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: they're all the way back. 408 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I an interesting thing is, you know, they win 409 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: that game, and I think Lamar was great. Derrick Henry 410 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: average three yards of carry to get in the end 411 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: zone twice. I don't think that they've found themselves offensively, 412 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, for all to talk about the defense struggling earlier, 413 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't know this offense is in any rhythm in sync. 414 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: But again, in a wide open AFC, if they get 415 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: in they've been in there. They've been there, done that before, 416 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: and I think there definitely is another level from where 417 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: they're playing right now that they can get to. 418 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing that I think we'll talk about 419 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: when we get to the tournament. For your team to win, 420 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: you have to have a quarterback that can give you 421 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: the magic in the fourth quarter. So when I look 422 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: at the teams that are sizing up in there and 423 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: we talk about the quarterback position or whatever, we know 424 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: Josh Allen can go to another level. We know that 425 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes can go to another level. Lamar Jackson can 426 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: go to another level. The teams that get in you 427 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: better have a quarterback that can live in the fourth 428 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: quarter matchic because if not these games, because you talk 429 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: about it being wide open in the shootouts when they 430 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: defers the quarterback play, who has the best quarterback in 431 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: the tournament, those are gonna be the guys that can 432 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: win it, Yeah, no doubt. 433 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: And then they can definitely do that last one that 434 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: we didn't touch on the other day that we'll get 435 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: to here, Atlanta takes care of New Orleans twenty four 436 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: to ten. 437 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: Interesting, right, Kirk Cousins, we were done with it that one. Yeah, 438 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: we're done with Kirk Cousin. Don't want kok cursin to 439 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 2: do it. They say they can do it. They give 440 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 2: them full week or prep and this offense looks like 441 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 2: the offense that you expected to see. They push it 442 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: down the field, they run it, able to do some things. 443 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: And I don't know how long Kirk can sustain this level. 444 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: But you can't tell me that the offense didn't look 445 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: different with him at quarterback, Like there's just something that 446 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: his experience brings to this offense. With the weapons that 447 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: they have, then maybe they can do it. And they're 448 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: I mean, they're off the pace significantly now, But I 449 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: do wonder can Kirk Cousins not only get them in 450 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: the mix, but maybe potentially save their jobs with the 451 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: way that he plays down the stretch New Orleans. 452 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: And we'll see if they'll do it now. But I 453 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: just to me, and they're going to have the top. 454 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: They might have a second pick. They could end up 455 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: having the first pick when it's all said and done. 456 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 1: But to me, it's like anybody over thirty, like at 457 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: this point in time, let's move on from all of them, 458 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: Like let's let's let's finally do the rebuild that they've 459 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: needed to do the last couple of years. Strip this 460 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: thing down man. 461 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,479 Speaker 2: And younger, fast and more athletic, more dynamic, like go 462 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: all the way in. But it takes a full commitment 463 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 2: from everybody to understand what it could look like when 464 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 2: you play all these young guys, like you have to plan, 465 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: but DJ, you. 466 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: Got to plan. The only way, the only way they get. 467 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 2: Experience is you have to plan, and you have to 468 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: be able to live through their mistakes. If you're unwilling 469 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 2: to live through the mistakes, your team will never be 470 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: what it could be. 471 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: With the young guys. 472 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: They have to play and you have to be okay 473 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 2: with them playing. 474 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know. There's not a lot 475 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: of pillars here that they can take with them to 476 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: build off of going into next year. When you look 477 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: at some of their key players, you know, it's just 478 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: the bande excited there. But Cam Jordan's leading them a 479 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: four and a half sacks, Granderson's got four and a 480 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: half sacks. I mean to me, they need some juice, man, 481 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: They need some young guys who can run. How long 482 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: have you how long have we had this conversation about 483 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: this a couple of years. Just really all have to 484 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: do it, man, Like a five year conversation about the 485 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: Saints needing to get younger, more dynamic every year when 486 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: we get to mock graft season, we talk about putting 487 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: past ruses and all this there, and yet there's still 488 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: the same like, like, I feel like this is one 489 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: where you have to if you're a general manager, you 490 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: have to like cut them all and kill them. 491 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: Wore goes a can't go on vacation and he comes 492 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: back and everyone has been cutting the gum and you're like, oh, 493 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: I don't have anybody. 494 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: It's not a one year fix. And Tyler Shucks made 495 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: some nice throws, can move around a little bit, but 496 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the answer for them. So 497 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done there. Do you 498 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: want to remind everybody coming up? The NFL continues to 499 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: honor and commemorate the late John Madden with the fourth 500 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: annual John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration on Thursday, November twenty seventh. 501 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: A special NFL produced Madden Hallmark will kick off each 502 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: broadcast conveying what Thanksgiving meant to him in his own words, 503 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: So very cool able to honor John Madden and all 504 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: the heat meant to those Thanksgiving games, and we got 505 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: a good slate of games. Looking forward to to just 506 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: get some good food, hanging out with the family and 507 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: watching some football. There's nothing better on a Thursday, no question. 508 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: No nothing. 509 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: This should be fun man, I'm looking forward to it 510 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: all right. Well, there you go, quick one today. I 511 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy it and we will see you 512 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: next time. Right here on, move the sticks.