WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Eve with Kathy Iandoli 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:13.000 Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to our cool kid clubhouse, Quest 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.119 Love Supreme. I'm your host, Quest Love. We're giving the 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.640 honor today to celebrate the release of a brand new memoir. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.759 I will say that guest number one, of course, is 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:24.760 no stranger to the show. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.800 If you're also a lifetime vet. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:32.520 Of hashtag that site, then indeed our first guest should 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:33.279 be no stranger. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:35.960 She's been on the show before, music historian. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.000 I'm crying because the last time Kathy was on this 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:40.440 show she blessed us with Prodigy. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.120 So I'm just having a moment the last time she 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:49.000 was here. Hi, Yeah you had I'm sorry. Sorry, Yeah, 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:49.440 I Love. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.960 We will never ever get through an introduction without just 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.800 breaking it now for real. I will say this is 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:59.000 one of my favorite music historians. She's been pinning articles 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.480 and books and peace for the greater part of the 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.759 last two decades. Her books include God Save the Queen, 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.000 The Essential History of Women in Hip Hop. She's also 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.000 released a Baby Girl better is known as Aleiah and 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:14.840 the last piece that she came on the show with 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.000 back when our brother Prodigy was still with us. On 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.880 this Earthly Plane, the common Sary Kitchen, my infamous prison cookbook. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.040 Not to be out done, the forthcoming Little Kim Queen 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.480 Bee memoir is also on the way, But of course 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.399 we are here today to celebrate her particular piece. Right 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:40.560 now with our guest, today, I will say multi platinum legendary, 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:48.040 Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter, mother, actress, entrepreneur, and MC 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.400 and Westville native currently in London. This is like the 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.240 reverse story of their roots. I had to run away 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.720 from London. Now you're living in London. She's blazed trails 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.080 for a greater part of the late nineties, making hip 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.520 hop history, top of the charts with countless singles and 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.639 her albums, and right now we're here to get into 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.959 her brand new memoir, Who's that Girl? 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.120 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Kathy. Okay, I'm not going 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.919 to mess this up. I'm not going to mess this up. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:22.640 You can do it from Philly. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.240 Come on, do it, Ian Doley, correct. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.120 Dalay, it's only been twenty five years, but Eve comes first. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.799 I've never I've never called you by your last name. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:42.560 The mirror is pronounced and not to be outdone, the legendary. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:42.880 Their middle Night. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:49.760 No, the legendary, the legendary. I don't even know if 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.480 I can say pootball and squirt. That's too older than referenced. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.320 Welcome Eve to quest love, supremum, ladies and gentlemen. 0:02:55.400 --> 0:03:00.680 Thank you. How are you guys? Doing good? Great? 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.280 I've not spoken to you since you became I mean 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.680 I've seen you on and off since you became a 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:07.520 London native. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.920 But where exactly London do you live right now? 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.160 When? West London? So like near notting Hill area? 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:15.920 You that near? 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:17.679 Yeah? 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:22.760 No? Yeah, yeah? The accident all right. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:24.840 I told you some words happened. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:26.959 I can't help it, especially now that I have a kid, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.160 because I say stuff for him so it's consistent. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.000 And now it's like it's a lot more. Can't help it. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.520 I missed that cat. How are you? How are you doing? 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.000 I'm living a dream. How are you doing the mire? 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:42.200 I'm good. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.840 I'd like to know how the what the genesis or 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.400 at the beginning of this putting this memoir together, because 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:51.840 I know that as far as I'm concerned. Like when 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.400 I was told to do a memoir, I was like 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:58.840 resistant because I thought memoirs and autobiographies are stories for 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:03.960 people that like turns, and people don't necessarily like to 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:09.160 start reflecting when they're still in the journey of their career. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.160 So tell me how like this book came to be, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:12.760 I would. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.240 Say, Well, one, me and Kathy just hit it off. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.400 We kind of were talking on a different project. And 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:23.440 then once we kind of got into like it was 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.599 supposed to be a thirty minute call that'sned into like 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.320 a two hour call, and it was just. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:31.240 Like we can this episode, okay, and. 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.400 Then and then we kind of yeah, it was The 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.400 question was like Kathy asked me kind of like you 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:39.240 never thought about. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.680 Doing a book, and I was like, yeah, I kind of. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.080 Thought about it, and I've been asked before years before, 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.960 and I definitely I said no, like I had said no, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.000 I wasn't into it. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.679 But those reasons you pretty much just named. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.520 But this book, while it is a memoir, it is 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:03.400 a look back, but it's also we figured a lot of. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.400 It out on the page as it went through. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.159 A lot of the things that I talk about in 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:10.640 the book are pivotal moments in my life of lessons 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.560 that I've learned that kind of helped me get over 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.040 certain things, get to the next place in my career. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.880 But then the other thing that kind of made me. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:27.400 Feel like, yo, I'm really ready to talk about certain 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.600 things was I was definitely ready to be vulnerable, even 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.800 more vulnerable things that I already mentioned in my life, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:38.039 whether that was my drinking situation, my fertility situation, and 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.000 there are other things in there. But the other thing 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.440 is having a child. And as cliche as it sounds, 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.359 I feel that much more for a whole, having that 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.600 little piece of me, And it made me feel confident 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.559 to say, like, Okay, while we're reflecting, it's also about 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.840 my future. It's also about, with lack of better term, 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.520 the next chapters of my life as well. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:05.520 So did you also go through with Kathy with this 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.400 book is not about in a way. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.599 Yeah, we definitely talked about it, not being salacious, not 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.000 being like if people are named, it's not so much like, 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.400 oh yeah, it's about them them. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.600 That everything comes back to. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.799 What that person meant at that time in my life. Particularly. 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.440 We didn't want to make a book that was like juicy, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:29.680 because you didn't want. 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.599 To be boring, but but we didn't want it to 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:33.560 be like clickbait. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:34.960 We didn't want it to be like, oh, you just 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.480 name and names the name names. But don't you think, Kathy, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:39.160 what do you think? 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.240 Absolutely? But I think, like, I think the best part 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.320 about it was like, this is the first time for 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.720 me that it's collaborative writing too. So it wasn't like 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.200 me getting a bunch of information I go run away 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.040 and do something like it was. It was funny watching 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.400 like Eve right on the page with the Google dog 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.880 with me, you. 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:01.560 Know, are. 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.960 No, No, It's just I've had that type of battle 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.720 where I wanted to sort of reduce stuff and they 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.400 were like, no, just give this notes to me, or 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.520 like don't don't touch. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.240 Don't touch the Google doc. Just give us notes and 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.840 we'll just and wow. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.760 Okay, we'll talk about deck, Kathy, because you said this 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.640 is the first time, So why was the Eve that 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.160 you kind of trusted in that way? 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.720 Well, Eve trusted me, I mean that's the that's I 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.320 think that's more of the even more so. Yeah, you know, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:38.960 but I think with regard to like in collaboration with 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.280 other you know, artists that I've worked with and ones 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.120 for our future projects, you know, like you mentioned Prodigy. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.720 Prodigy and Eve are both Scorpios and I'm a Pisces, 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:57.680 so that working relationship is actually like wonderful. But when 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.280 you know, with something like a memoir, because you know, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.480 p and I didn't do a memoir. You know, there 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:07.480 was so much of like I didn't take for granted 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.680 the fact that like Eve was being so open, So 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.600 making sure that her hands are on the page too 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.200 is just equally important because this is her life, you know, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:22.600 So being able to kind of go and go through 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.280 certain things on the page and just like be like, okay, so. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:27.640 Do you want to go there? Do you not want 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:28.120 to go there? 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.120 You can't. It can't just be me going like off 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.280 into the wild with my lap top and then bring 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:35.360 him back, you know. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:36.040 Results. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:40.040 So now that I understand that, probably the most important 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.520 part of storytelling is editing. Like purging is no problem, 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.840 like you know, getting everything out. But I'll say, like 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:53.160 in any form of creativity, be it music or books 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.440 or whatever, like, what's the process of editing, like like 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.200 in terms of what to let go and what to 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:03.319 let fall on the floor and how to structure a story? 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.280 No, I think you know, when it comes to you know, 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.000 what are you going to keep and you know for 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.760 yourself and what are you going to give to the world? 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.840 I think it was like kind of like striking that 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.880 balance where it doesn't necessarily have to be I'm only 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.920 reserving all of this for my own personal story and 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.360 the rest I'll tell. Like, I think we split the 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.960 difference a lot, right, You've like where there's like, Okay, 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.000 I'm going to talk about this, but and I'm going 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.920 to process it. That's the one thing about this memoir 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.040 that I have to say is very different from so 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:37.440 many other memoirs that are out there, is that, like 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:43.800 it's a lot of Eve processing what happened, which it 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.600 provides like this like deeper look. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:47.319 So in the ending. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:52.880 Process, having to go back in and see what we're 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.079 able to kind of like take out while still keeping 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:56.680 the sentiment. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.960 I think, you know, it was the good part. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.160 We didn't have a lot of edits from the publisher 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.000 because we kept going in. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:08.440 And doing our thing. Yeah, I can only imagine what 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:09.199 y'all had to cut out. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:10.839 As we were getting ready for this interview, I was 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.960 just saying to Jake, I was like, you know, when 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.839 you think about Eve, it's been an interesting long twenty 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.040 years and for you personally but also professionally, Like the 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.600 chapters we were like somebody we were like fetish. 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.120 You know, we were like, oh, the talk, it's just 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:26.280 so for y'all. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.600 It had to be amazingly hard to figure out what 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:31.680 to cut out in that way. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.160 We definitely got to a point where it was like, Okay, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.400 what how do we want people to read this book? 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:41.880 And we got to a point where we were like, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.600 you know what, And this was Kathy's like brilliant ideas. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.080 She was like, let's make it more like essays like 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.800 bite size, so that way you get in the juicy 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.280 kind of funk bits that enough that needs to be there, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.840 that tells the story of if people have been on 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.200 my journey, they're like, oh, yes, I remember that. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:01.920 Okay, Okay, that makes sense. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.600 And it just that's when I think it we figured 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.760 it out once once you said that, Kathy. I think 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.440 that's when it was like, Okay, this makes sense because 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:11.640 it definitely could have been. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:13.000 A lot more. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.080 I definitely have kept some things to myself that I 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:22.640 felt like I needed to keep to myself. Well, And 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.360 it's funny because I've been obviously doing interviews for it, 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.240 and this is such a new process with me that 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.840 I feel so raw in a way that I've never 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:34.600 felt before ever. But having said that, I feel so 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.600 proud and confident of the book that we have done. 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.959 Like I and I called Kathy. I actually called Kathy 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.160 the day that I finished the audio. I called her 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.920 was like, girl, this is a good book. Girl, Like 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.240 thank you, girl, Like it was. I felt proud. I 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.560 felt actually like so proud. So yeah, I look the girl, 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:55.480 the girl. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:56.640 The way the audio book. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.000 I gotta know, is it like straight read just eat 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.040 reading or are we getting like a little production? 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.360 In my mind, I was like, it's Swiss beast, which 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:06.600 when I. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.080 Tell you, I wanted that. 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.360 I wanted a little more like try to get something. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.560 But the publishers behind of it's still fun, it's still good. 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.600 There's emotion, like you definitely feel parts of it. But yeah, 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.160 I wanted to do a little bit more, but they 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.400 just yeah, she is an actress. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:23.480 So I'm still excited. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.640 You know, you'll feel things, You'll definitely you get emotion 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:28.160 and things. 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.160 So yeah, hopefully hopefully. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.040 Okay, So as as a Philadelphia I will ask you 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:43.079 what are your earliest memories of growing up in Philadelphia? 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:44.160 You were born in West Philly. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:49.280 Correct, Yeah, we'll part down forty sixth Street, the bottom, 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:51.400 the bottom from the book. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.880 Of course, I used to grow at the bottom. Then 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:02.560 my dad was like, where are you walking to? 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.520 No, I'm just. 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.920 Going to forty sixth Street, the bottom. That's how I 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:09.320 found out what the bottom was. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:15.319 You know, I'm from there, so no projects, That's where 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:20.079 I'm from. Uh yeah, from Mill Creek, So yeah, I mean, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:27.000 my earliest earliest memories of Mill Creek is music and noise. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:28.599 Kids. 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.320 You know the building I lived in because I was 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.640 born in the building and we moved to the low 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:39.480 houses outside block parties DJs like you know what I'm saying, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.840 Like even back then was crazy back in the day, 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.079 and like there used to be food trucks back in 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.880 the day, like that, I remember that in the summertime, 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:53.000 Like I remember food and music and yeah that those 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.200 are my earliest memories actually of Philly. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:56.040 Man. 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:00.920 Okay, what were your earliest memories of listening to hip 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:05.600 hop or discovering hip hop and like actually becoming an MC, Like, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.160 what were your earliest memories of that. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.120 Earliest memories of hip hop come through my aunt Karen, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.080 who I talk about in the book, who to me 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.920 was the epitome of hip hop. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:14.760 She was you know. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.600 She loved LL so we always heard music. The radio 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.560 was always on. I loved Queen the Teeth of Salt 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.600 and Pepper that was always on. My dad was a DJ, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.920 so music was always somewhere around me. Like I started 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.840 writing poems first, and then I joined the choir, and 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:35.280 then I sang, and then ABC came out. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.560 And I wanted to rap, and then like, and then. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:42.080 I had another back creation and I was like, I 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.240 want to rap, like I want to sing, and I 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:45.640 want to rap, and I want to dance. 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.320 I want to do everything. And then yeah, and then 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:49.040 I would have like. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.080 Little groups like my friends, and I would do all 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.560 the block parties, all the little like talent shows, the 0:14:55.600 --> 0:15:00.120 school talent shows. I was NonStop, Like I was that 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:01.920 kid that was like I have to do something. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:02.800 I gotta be busy. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.880 So I was always even if I was just singing 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.760 somebody else's song, I was, I was doing a talent show. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.200 And then when I turned fifteen is when I was like, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:12.960 this has to be my life, Like I want to 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.240 be an MC period point blank. I don't want to 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:16.920 go to I knew I didn't want to go to college. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:18.520 I knew I wanted to pursue music. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.080 Where did you go to high school, Martin Luther King. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.160 Oh, King's so open. 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:29.040 Too, on Stanton Avenue. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:30.560 That was ar lean on Me School. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.680 That was the lean on Me School. We talked about 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:33.440 that in the book. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:34.240 We talked about that. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.080 Three my boys went to the King. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.480 So that's beautiful man, Martin Luther King alumni, bless him. 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:40.880 That's my all. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.960 That's Chris was in lying Martin Luther King was brought up. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.800 There was some violence going down. Wow, So. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:58.080 Somewhere I want to get the white elephant out the 0:15:58.200 --> 0:15:58.920 room right now. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.080 Look look like like all right, damn it. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:09.000 At least, you know, like the whole converse. How already? 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.720 No, no, no, no, you know what, because this is the 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:16.280 thing I want this to be. Because I listened to 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.880 the music episode, I'm not fall of Banana in the 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:20.480 tail fight a. 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.800 Third time, beautiful probably version. She probably a beautiful version 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:24.320 of the story. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:25.320 You know what's weird? 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:31.200 I actually had the last three months I'm talking about 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.160 my therapy sessions. There have been a lot of conversations 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:42.360 about how I suck at communication. So when breaking this 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:47.920 down and various exercises I have to do, I now 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.000 realize how what went down between the Roots and the 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:54.400 Eve went down. Here's the quickest version, because this stove 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:55.080 Eve's episode. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.160 This is not the Roots. The therapy that this is 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.040 not the Roots me and a copa version, but this, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.760 this is the most distinct version that I know of. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:07.480 I'm ready for this. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:12.360 My version I only knows. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.040 So this is what I know for things Fall apart 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:22.680 to be our career defining album. I'm very, very shocked 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:29.439 at how cohesive it sounds for a unit that pretty 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.439 much piece milled that album together without like communicating with 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:38.800 each other. So the shortest version of it is that 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:43.480 there was a period in ninety seven or ninety eight 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.360 in which, by that point we had always recorded everything 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:54.480 at Sigma Sounds Studios in the former Philly International Classic 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.639 Songs Made Studio Sigma. There is a period that we 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.160 got kicked out of Sigma for about two weeks. Without 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.159 getting too personal to it, We've covered the subject on 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:09.600 the next album Fromnology concerning our beloved fallen and Soldier 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:15.480 Malik's struggles with his addictions, and that got us kicked 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:20.000 out of Sigma for about two weeks. Fifteen of Kindred 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.320 the Family Soul recommended to us that we move operations 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.720 to what we now lovingly called the studio named the 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:33.520 Studio Larry Gold Studio, which will subsequently be still our 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.480 home technically for the last like two and a half decades. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:43.399 Two weeks into recording there, I realized that I don't 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:48.440 like his boards, and so kind of hat in hand, 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.040 I go to owner Joe Tarci of Sigmund and say, look, 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.800 I know we've been kicked out the studio and banned 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.480 from the studio, but like I was using the you know, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.399 my dad, if I promise not to bring people here, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.280 can I still remain here and record? 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:04.040 He thought about it. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.719 He granted it, so he lowed me and Scott and 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.160 certain members back into the studio to record. So what 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:16.320 winds up happening is there becomes a triangle of creations. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.080 So all the music is recorded at Sigma and then 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:20.159 we send those tapes. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.080 This is about you got me just so they know 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:23.480 what we're doing here. We're setting a right. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:28.199 So thus we will record music at our studio and 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.480 then send the tapes to the studio where Tarika Malik 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:37.000 are and Richard. So basically I will say that every 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.000 song that ever appeared on Things fall apart. I'm hearing 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.680 it as a song for the first time when I'm 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.040 mixing the song, so which is very unusual because normally it's. 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.240 Like, hey, we made it. You know, here's the complete song. 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.840 You want the demo Because of my back and forth 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.600 with DiAngelo and really not even though I was very 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.479 present for this record, I'm also working with D'Angelo. So 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.159 I'm hearing everything for the first time. I'm hearing the 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:05.840 next movement, like song titles. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.359 Oh, what's this one? What's the Hawaii song called the 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:08.960 next movement? 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:09.159 Uh? 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.800 Okay, cool? Let me here. Oh that's cool. Oh what's 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.360 this called? Oh okay, step into the room. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.399 Literally, So when we finally got to you Got Me, 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.320 there was a gap in verse two whether there was 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.400 no rhymen from Tarik and I was never told there 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.760 was another guest on it. So there was like a 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.199 twenty minute back and forth like we can't find tarik'sogal, 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:31.520 where's it? 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:32.000 Where's it? 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.920 And Rich's like, turn up track eighteen and I turned 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.000 it up and I'm like, wait, who's this. He's like Eve, 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.440 who's Eve. He's like, you know, Eve thed on for 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.080 the jam sessions. I'm one of those members of the roots. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.600 That's sort of like, just why you look so disappointed, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:48.960 like you. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.000 Disappoint I just wanted you to get to it. 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:52.320 I want to hear es versions, So were about to 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:54.439 hear this twice because I know that's a different story, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.080 but I'm. 0:20:55.520 --> 0:21:00.119 Right, so I'm painting the story now. So as a result, well, 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.080 one you got Me was the very last song, I 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.000 mean very last song, Like we should have turned the 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.679 album in two weeks ago, you know before that was 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.560