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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to our cool kid clubhouse, Quest
Speaker 2: Love Supreme. I'm your host, Quest Love. We're giving the
Speaker 2: honor today to celebrate the release of a brand new memoir.
Speaker 2: I will say that guest number one, of course, is
Speaker 2: no stranger to the show.
Speaker 1: If you're also a lifetime vet.
Speaker 2: Of hashtag that site, then indeed our first guest should
Speaker 2: be no stranger.
Speaker 1: She's been on the show before, music historian.
Speaker 3: I'm crying because the last time Kathy was on this
Speaker 3: show she blessed us with Prodigy.
Speaker 4: So I'm just having a moment the last time she
Speaker 4: was here. Hi, Yeah you had I'm sorry. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I Love.
Speaker 2: We will never ever get through an introduction without just
Speaker 2: breaking it now for real. I will say this is
Speaker 2: one of my favorite music historians. She's been pinning articles
Speaker 2: and books and peace for the greater part of the
Speaker 2: last two decades. Her books include God Save the Queen,
Speaker 2: The Essential History of Women in Hip Hop. She's also
Speaker 2: released a Baby Girl better is known as Aleiah and
Speaker 2: the last piece that she came on the show with
Speaker 2: back when our brother Prodigy was still with us. On
Speaker 2: this Earthly Plane, the common Sary Kitchen, my infamous prison cookbook.
Speaker 2: Not to be out done, the forthcoming Little Kim Queen
Speaker 2: Bee memoir is also on the way, But of course
Speaker 2: we are here today to celebrate her particular piece. Right
Speaker 2: now with our guest, today, I will say multi platinum legendary,
Speaker 2: Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter, mother, actress, entrepreneur, and MC
Speaker 2: and Westville native currently in London. This is like the
Speaker 2: reverse story of their roots. I had to run away
Speaker 2: from London. Now you're living in London. She's blazed trails
Speaker 2: for a greater part of the late nineties, making hip
Speaker 2: hop history, top of the charts with countless singles and
Speaker 2: her albums, and right now we're here to get into
Speaker 2: her brand new memoir, Who's that Girl?
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Kathy. Okay, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to mess this up. I'm not going to mess this up.
Speaker 4: You can do it from Philly.
Speaker 1: Come on, do it, Ian Doley, correct.
Speaker 5: Dalay, it's only been twenty five years, but Eve comes first.
Speaker 1: I've never I've never called you by your last name.
Speaker 1: The mirror is pronounced and not to be outdone, the legendary.
Speaker 4: Their middle Night.
Speaker 2: No, the legendary, the legendary. I don't even know if
Speaker 2: I can say pootball and squirt. That's too older than referenced.
Speaker 2: Welcome Eve to quest love, supremum, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Thank you. How are you guys? Doing good? Great?
Speaker 2: I've not spoken to you since you became I mean
Speaker 2: I've seen you on and off since you became a
Speaker 2: London native.
Speaker 1: But where exactly London do you live right now?
Speaker 6: When? West London? So like near notting Hill area?
Speaker 1: You that near?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No? Yeah, yeah? The accident all right.
Speaker 6: I told you some words happened.
Speaker 7: I can't help it, especially now that I have a kid,
Speaker 7: because I say stuff for him so it's consistent.
Speaker 6: And now it's like it's a lot more. Can't help it.
Speaker 1: I missed that cat. How are you? How are you doing?
Speaker 5: I'm living a dream. How are you doing the mire?
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'd like to know how the what the genesis or
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this putting this memoir together, because
Speaker 2: I know that as far as I'm concerned. Like when
Speaker 2: I was told to do a memoir, I was like
Speaker 2: resistant because I thought memoirs and autobiographies are stories for
Speaker 2: people that like turns, and people don't necessarily like to
Speaker 2: start reflecting when they're still in the journey of their career.
Speaker 2: So tell me how like this book came to be,
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 7: Say, Well, one, me and Kathy just hit it off.
Speaker 7: We kind of were talking on a different project. And
Speaker 7: then once we kind of got into like it was
Speaker 7: supposed to be a thirty minute call that'sned into like
Speaker 7: a two hour call, and it was just.
Speaker 1: Like we can this episode, okay, and.
Speaker 7: Then and then we kind of yeah, it was The
Speaker 7: question was like Kathy asked me kind of like you
Speaker 7: never thought about.
Speaker 6: Doing a book, and I was like, yeah, I kind of.
Speaker 7: Thought about it, and I've been asked before years before,
Speaker 7: and I definitely I said no, like I had said no,
Speaker 7: I wasn't into it.
Speaker 6: But those reasons you pretty much just named.
Speaker 7: But this book, while it is a memoir, it is
Speaker 7: a look back, but it's also we figured a lot of.
Speaker 6: It out on the page as it went through.
Speaker 7: A lot of the things that I talk about in
Speaker 7: the book are pivotal moments in my life of lessons
Speaker 7: that I've learned that kind of helped me get over
Speaker 7: certain things, get to the next place in my career.
Speaker 6: But then the other thing that kind of made me.
Speaker 7: Feel like, yo, I'm really ready to talk about certain
Speaker 7: things was I was definitely ready to be vulnerable, even
Speaker 7: more vulnerable things that I already mentioned in my life,
Speaker 7: whether that was my drinking situation, my fertility situation, and
Speaker 7: there are other things in there. But the other thing
Speaker 7: is having a child. And as cliche as it sounds,
Speaker 7: I feel that much more for a whole, having that
Speaker 7: little piece of me, And it made me feel confident
Speaker 7: to say, like, Okay, while we're reflecting, it's also about
Speaker 7: my future. It's also about, with lack of better term,
Speaker 7: the next chapters of my life as well.
Speaker 3: So did you also go through with Kathy with this
Speaker 3: book is not about in a way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we definitely talked about it, not being salacious, not
Speaker 7: being like if people are named, it's not so much like,
Speaker 7: oh yeah, it's about them them.
Speaker 6: That everything comes back to.
Speaker 7: What that person meant at that time in my life. Particularly.
Speaker 6: We didn't want to make a book that was like juicy,
Speaker 6: because you didn't want.
Speaker 7: To be boring, but but we didn't want it to
Speaker 7: be like clickbait.
Speaker 6: We didn't want it to be like, oh, you just
Speaker 6: name and names the name names. But don't you think, Kathy,
Speaker 6: what do you think?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? But I think, like, I think the best part
Speaker 5: about it was like, this is the first time for
Speaker 5: me that it's collaborative writing too. So it wasn't like
Speaker 5: me getting a bunch of information I go run away
Speaker 5: and do something like it was. It was funny watching
Speaker 5: like Eve right on the page with the Google dog
Speaker 5: with me, you.
Speaker 7: Know, are.
Speaker 2: No, No, It's just I've had that type of battle
Speaker 2: where I wanted to sort of reduce stuff and they
Speaker 2: were like, no, just give this notes to me, or
Speaker 2: like don't don't touch.
Speaker 1: Don't touch the Google doc. Just give us notes and
Speaker 1: we'll just and wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about deck, Kathy, because you said this
Speaker 3: is the first time, So why was the Eve that
Speaker 3: you kind of trusted in that way?
Speaker 5: Well, Eve trusted me, I mean that's the that's I
Speaker 5: think that's more of the even more so. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: but I think with regard to like in collaboration with
Speaker 5: other you know, artists that I've worked with and ones
Speaker 5: for our future projects, you know, like you mentioned Prodigy.
Speaker 5: Prodigy and Eve are both Scorpios and I'm a Pisces,
Speaker 5: so that working relationship is actually like wonderful. But when
Speaker 5: you know, with something like a memoir, because you know,
Speaker 5: p and I didn't do a memoir. You know, there
Speaker 5: was so much of like I didn't take for granted
Speaker 5: the fact that like Eve was being so open, So
Speaker 5: making sure that her hands are on the page too
Speaker 5: is just equally important because this is her life, you know,
Speaker 5: So being able to kind of go and go through
Speaker 5: certain things on the page and just like be like, okay, so.
Speaker 4: Do you want to go there? Do you not want
Speaker 4: to go there?
Speaker 5: You can't. It can't just be me going like off
Speaker 5: into the wild with my lap top and then bring
Speaker 5: him back, you know.
Speaker 4: Results.
Speaker 2: So now that I understand that, probably the most important
Speaker 2: part of storytelling is editing. Like purging is no problem,
Speaker 2: like you know, getting everything out. But I'll say, like
Speaker 2: in any form of creativity, be it music or books
Speaker 2: or whatever, like, what's the process of editing, like like
Speaker 2: in terms of what to let go and what to
Speaker 2: let fall on the floor and how to structure a story?
Speaker 5: No, I think you know, when it comes to you know,
Speaker 5: what are you going to keep and you know for
Speaker 5: yourself and what are you going to give to the world?
Speaker 5: I think it was like kind of like striking that
Speaker 5: balance where it doesn't necessarily have to be I'm only
Speaker 5: reserving all of this for my own personal story and
Speaker 5: the rest I'll tell. Like, I think we split the
Speaker 5: difference a lot, right, You've like where there's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I'm going to talk about this, but and I'm going
Speaker 5: to process it. That's the one thing about this memoir
Speaker 5: that I have to say is very different from so
Speaker 5: many other memoirs that are out there, is that, like
Speaker 5: it's a lot of Eve processing what happened, which it
Speaker 5: provides like this like deeper look.
Speaker 4: So in the ending.
Speaker 5: Process, having to go back in and see what we're
Speaker 5: able to kind of like take out while still keeping
Speaker 5: the sentiment.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, it was the good part.
Speaker 5: We didn't have a lot of edits from the publisher
Speaker 5: because we kept going in.
Speaker 4: And doing our thing. Yeah, I can only imagine what
Speaker 4: y'all had to cut out.
Speaker 3: As we were getting ready for this interview, I was
Speaker 3: just saying to Jake, I was like, you know, when
Speaker 3: you think about Eve, it's been an interesting long twenty
Speaker 3: years and for you personally but also professionally, Like the
Speaker 3: chapters we were like somebody we were like fetish.
Speaker 4: You know, we were like, oh, the talk, it's just
Speaker 4: so for y'all.
Speaker 3: It had to be amazingly hard to figure out what
Speaker 3: to cut out in that way.
Speaker 7: We definitely got to a point where it was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: what how do we want people to read this book?
Speaker 7: And we got to a point where we were like,
Speaker 7: you know what, And this was Kathy's like brilliant ideas.
Speaker 7: She was like, let's make it more like essays like
Speaker 7: bite size, so that way you get in the juicy
Speaker 7: kind of funk bits that enough that needs to be there,
Speaker 7: that tells the story of if people have been on
Speaker 7: my journey, they're like, oh, yes, I remember that.
Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 7: And it just that's when I think it we figured
Speaker 7: it out once once you said that, Kathy. I think
Speaker 7: that's when it was like, Okay, this makes sense because
Speaker 7: it definitely could have been.
Speaker 6: A lot more.
Speaker 7: I definitely have kept some things to myself that I
Speaker 7: felt like I needed to keep to myself. Well, And
Speaker 7: it's funny because I've been obviously doing interviews for it,
Speaker 7: and this is such a new process with me that
Speaker 7: I feel so raw in a way that I've never
Speaker 7: felt before ever. But having said that, I feel so
Speaker 7: proud and confident of the book that we have done.
Speaker 7: Like I and I called Kathy. I actually called Kathy
Speaker 7: the day that I finished the audio. I called her
Speaker 7: was like, girl, this is a good book. Girl, Like
Speaker 7: thank you, girl, Like it was. I felt proud. I
Speaker 7: felt actually like so proud. So yeah, I look the girl,
Speaker 7: the girl.
Speaker 4: The way the audio book.
Speaker 3: I gotta know, is it like straight read just eat
Speaker 3: reading or are we getting like a little production?
Speaker 4: In my mind, I was like, it's Swiss beast, which
Speaker 4: when I.
Speaker 6: Tell you, I wanted that.
Speaker 7: I wanted a little more like try to get something.
Speaker 7: But the publishers behind of it's still fun, it's still good.
Speaker 7: There's emotion, like you definitely feel parts of it. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I wanted to do a little bit more, but they
Speaker 7: just yeah, she is an actress.
Speaker 4: So I'm still excited.
Speaker 7: You know, you'll feel things, You'll definitely you get emotion
Speaker 7: and things.
Speaker 6: So yeah, hopefully hopefully.
Speaker 2: Okay, So as as a Philadelphia I will ask you
Speaker 2: what are your earliest memories of growing up in Philadelphia?
Speaker 2: You were born in West Philly.
Speaker 7: Correct, Yeah, we'll part down forty sixth Street, the bottom,
Speaker 7: the bottom from the book.
Speaker 2: Of course, I used to grow at the bottom. Then
Speaker 2: my dad was like, where are you walking to?
Speaker 6: No, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Going to forty sixth Street, the bottom. That's how I
Speaker 2: found out what the bottom was.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm from there, so no projects, That's where
Speaker 7: I'm from. Uh yeah, from Mill Creek, So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 7: my earliest earliest memories of Mill Creek is music and noise.
Speaker 6: Kids.
Speaker 7: You know the building I lived in because I was
Speaker 7: born in the building and we moved to the low
Speaker 7: houses outside block parties DJs like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 7: Like even back then was crazy back in the day,
Speaker 7: and like there used to be food trucks back in
Speaker 7: the day, like that, I remember that in the summertime,
Speaker 7: Like I remember food and music and yeah that those
Speaker 7: are my earliest memories actually of Philly.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: Okay, what were your earliest memories of listening to hip
Speaker 2: hop or discovering hip hop and like actually becoming an MC, Like,
Speaker 2: what were your earliest memories of that.
Speaker 7: Earliest memories of hip hop come through my aunt Karen,
Speaker 7: who I talk about in the book, who to me
Speaker 7: was the epitome of hip hop.
Speaker 6: She was you know.
Speaker 7: She loved LL so we always heard music. The radio
Speaker 7: was always on. I loved Queen the Teeth of Salt
Speaker 7: and Pepper that was always on. My dad was a DJ,
Speaker 7: so music was always somewhere around me. Like I started
Speaker 7: writing poems first, and then I joined the choir, and
Speaker 7: then I sang, and then ABC came out.
Speaker 6: And I wanted to rap, and then like, and then.
Speaker 7: I had another back creation and I was like, I
Speaker 7: want to rap, like I want to sing, and I
Speaker 7: want to rap, and I want to dance.
Speaker 6: I want to do everything. And then yeah, and then
Speaker 6: I would have like.
Speaker 7: Little groups like my friends, and I would do all
Speaker 7: the block parties, all the little like talent shows, the
Speaker 7: school talent shows. I was NonStop, Like I was that
Speaker 7: kid that was like I have to do something.
Speaker 6: I gotta be busy.
Speaker 7: So I was always even if I was just singing
Speaker 7: somebody else's song, I was, I was doing a talent show.
Speaker 7: And then when I turned fifteen is when I was like,
Speaker 7: this has to be my life, Like I want to
Speaker 7: be an MC period point blank. I don't want to
Speaker 7: go to I knew I didn't want to go to college.
Speaker 7: I knew I wanted to pursue music.
Speaker 1: Where did you go to high school, Martin Luther King.
Speaker 4: Oh, King's so open.
Speaker 6: Too, on Stanton Avenue.
Speaker 1: That was ar lean on Me School.
Speaker 6: That was the lean on Me School. We talked about
Speaker 6: that in the book.
Speaker 4: We talked about that.
Speaker 1: Three my boys went to the King.
Speaker 4: So that's beautiful man, Martin Luther King alumni, bless him.
Speaker 4: That's my all.
Speaker 1: That's Chris was in lying Martin Luther King was brought up.
Speaker 1: There was some violence going down. Wow, So.
Speaker 2: Somewhere I want to get the white elephant out the
Speaker 2: room right now.
Speaker 1: Look look like like all right, damn it.
Speaker 4: At least, you know, like the whole converse. How already?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you know what, because this is the
Speaker 2: thing I want this to be. Because I listened to
Speaker 2: the music episode, I'm not fall of Banana in the
Speaker 2: tail fight a.
Speaker 3: Third time, beautiful probably version. She probably a beautiful version
Speaker 3: of the story.
Speaker 1: You know what's weird?
Speaker 2: I actually had the last three months I'm talking about
Speaker 2: my therapy sessions. There have been a lot of conversations
Speaker 2: about how I suck at communication. So when breaking this
Speaker 2: down and various exercises I have to do, I now
Speaker 2: realize how what went down between the Roots and the
Speaker 2: Eve went down. Here's the quickest version, because this stove
Speaker 2: Eve's episode.
Speaker 1: This is not the Roots. The therapy that this is
Speaker 1: not the Roots me and a copa version, but this,
Speaker 1: this is the most distinct version that I know of.
Speaker 4: I'm ready for this.
Speaker 1: My version I only knows.
Speaker 2: So this is what I know for things Fall apart
Speaker 2: to be our career defining album. I'm very, very shocked
Speaker 2: at how cohesive it sounds for a unit that pretty
Speaker 2: much piece milled that album together without like communicating with
Speaker 2: each other. So the shortest version of it is that
Speaker 2: there was a period in ninety seven or ninety eight
Speaker 2: in which, by that point we had always recorded everything
Speaker 2: at Sigma Sounds Studios in the former Philly International Classic
Speaker 2: Songs Made Studio Sigma. There is a period that we
Speaker 2: got kicked out of Sigma for about two weeks. Without
Speaker 2: getting too personal to it, We've covered the subject on
Speaker 2: the next album Fromnology concerning our beloved fallen and Soldier
Speaker 2: Malik's struggles with his addictions, and that got us kicked
Speaker 2: out of Sigma for about two weeks. Fifteen of Kindred
Speaker 2: the Family Soul recommended to us that we move operations
Speaker 2: to what we now lovingly called the studio named the
Speaker 2: Studio Larry Gold Studio, which will subsequently be still our
Speaker 2: home technically for the last like two and a half decades.
Speaker 2: Two weeks into recording there, I realized that I don't
Speaker 2: like his boards, and so kind of hat in hand,
Speaker 2: I go to owner Joe Tarci of Sigmund and say, look,
Speaker 2: I know we've been kicked out the studio and banned
Speaker 2: from the studio, but like I was using the you know,
Speaker 2: my dad, if I promise not to bring people here,
Speaker 2: can I still remain here and record?
Speaker 1: He thought about it.
Speaker 2: He granted it, so he lowed me and Scott and
Speaker 2: certain members back into the studio to record. So what
Speaker 2: winds up happening is there becomes a triangle of creations.
Speaker 2: So all the music is recorded at Sigma and then
Speaker 2: we send those tapes.
Speaker 4: This is about you got me just so they know
Speaker 4: what we're doing here. We're setting a right.
Speaker 2: So thus we will record music at our studio and
Speaker 2: then send the tapes to the studio where Tarika Malik
Speaker 2: are and Richard. So basically I will say that every
Speaker 2: song that ever appeared on Things fall apart. I'm hearing
Speaker 2: it as a song for the first time when I'm
Speaker 2: mixing the song, so which is very unusual because normally it's.
Speaker 1: Like, hey, we made it. You know, here's the complete song.
Speaker 2: You want the demo Because of my back and forth
Speaker 2: with DiAngelo and really not even though I was very
Speaker 2: present for this record, I'm also working with D'Angelo. So
Speaker 2: I'm hearing everything for the first time. I'm hearing the
Speaker 2: next movement, like song titles.
Speaker 1: Oh, what's this one? What's the Hawaii song called the
Speaker 1: next movement?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 1: Okay, cool? Let me here. Oh that's cool. Oh what's
Speaker 1: this called? Oh okay, step into the room.
Speaker 2: Literally, So when we finally got to you Got Me,
Speaker 2: there was a gap in verse two whether there was
Speaker 2: no rhymen from Tarik and I was never told there
Speaker 2: was another guest on it. So there was like a
Speaker 2: twenty minute back and forth like we can't find tarik'sogal,
Speaker 2: where's it?
Speaker 1: Where's it?
Speaker 2: And Rich's like, turn up track eighteen and I turned
Speaker 2: it up and I'm like, wait, who's this. He's like Eve,
Speaker 2: who's Eve. He's like, you know, Eve thed on for
Speaker 2: the jam sessions. I'm one of those members of the roots.
Speaker 2: That's sort of like, just why you look so disappointed,
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 4: Disappoint I just wanted you to get to it.
Speaker 3: I want to hear es versions, So were about to
Speaker 3: hear this twice because I know that's a different story,
Speaker 3: but I'm.
Speaker 2: Right, so I'm painting the story now. So as a result, well,
Speaker 2: one you got Me was the very last song, I
Speaker 2: mean very last song, Like we should have turned the
Speaker 2: album in two weeks ago, you know before that was
Speaker 2: the last song worked on the album, meaning I had
Speaker 2: already did credits and all that stuff, Like I literally
Speaker 2: didn't know until the day of mixing that Eve existed.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: By the way, I ain't saying nothing new. What you're
Speaker 2: also on was a last minute song added on the
Speaker 2: record as well.
Speaker 4: She's doing backgrounds okay, okay, right.
Speaker 2: Even the morning of shooting the video, because Kilo was like, wait,
Speaker 2: why not invited to the video, And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I thought you guys invited her. No,
Speaker 2: I thought you invited her, Well rich did we No,
Speaker 2: we didn'tvite It was so we were just extremely in
Speaker 2: considerate and so insular and so noncommunicative with each other.
Speaker 1: That things like that always filled on the sidelines.
Speaker 2: But I never wanted you to think it was a
Speaker 2: thing where it's like, let me erase her out of history.
Speaker 7: No, I didn't think of it so much like that.
Speaker 7: Everything you're saying makes complete sense.
Speaker 6: I totally understand. I didn't think of it like that.
Speaker 7: What I took it as is like, here is this
Speaker 7: girl who's I wasn't signed at the time. Nobody did
Speaker 7: know who I was at that time, so I kind
Speaker 7: of took it as well, you know you you guys
Speaker 7: were like this was a huge record.
Speaker 6: Then Eric got on it. So it did feel like,
Speaker 6: oh shit, because someone said somewhere.
Speaker 7: Sent to the person that I was hanging out with,
Speaker 7: the girl who was kind of like helping me out
Speaker 7: New York. I lived in New York at the time,
Speaker 7: got an address, but nothing was at this address, so
Speaker 7: I don't know who how and it became a miscommunication.
Speaker 7: Possibly what all that you're saying makes complete sense. But
Speaker 7: I definitely felt like, damn, they lied about the andres.
Speaker 4: You guy haven't got dressed for the video and they
Speaker 4: sent you the wrong address.
Speaker 6: Yes, I like yes, it felt like it was like, oh, that's.
Speaker 4: Not we deserve a redo is it's too late.
Speaker 1: Well let's go back.
Speaker 7: All of that has to happen, like the story has
Speaker 7: been told. But we've performed together since then, we've seen
Speaker 7: each other since.
Speaker 4: It was like, y'all done, you got me together.
Speaker 6: We did it. It was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: We did it.
Speaker 2: We did it like three times. We did it once
Speaker 2: at Electric Factory once I.
Speaker 4: Remember for the party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we did it once, like when that
Speaker 1: came out.
Speaker 6: We've done it.
Speaker 7: But it's like, you know, it's one of those things
Speaker 7: because it's like it's such weirdly because I was in
Speaker 7: such a holding pattern at that time.
Speaker 6: In my career.
Speaker 7: I was like this unknown butt signed but no budget,
Speaker 7: no nothing yet.
Speaker 6: But I was signed and I was working on music.
Speaker 7: It was such a weird place either. I was kind
Speaker 7: of in purgatory ishu for a minute as well.
Speaker 3: So like, yeah, and it's the story Eve, because the
Speaker 3: urban legend that I always heard was that Kilo Sanders
Speaker 3: was the one that introduced you to that process of
Speaker 3: that song.
Speaker 4: But what how did you become the Eve? And you
Speaker 4: got me? How did you?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: What's funny?
Speaker 7: I don't remember who said come through to the studio,
Speaker 7: cause I used to kind of.
Speaker 6: Just be around. I don't know if it was Scott
Speaker 6: or was it Keith.
Speaker 7: I don't really remember how it kind of happened because
Speaker 7: I used to come through to the studio, so.
Speaker 6: I don't know who. You know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 6: it was kind of almost like oh shit. It might
Speaker 6: have even been like oh shit, oh even be dope
Speaker 6: on this. I don't know who how it. I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I asked you all the question because at the time,
Speaker 3: for y'all, I'm watching your careers as a radio personality
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, right, And what's interesting is for most of
Speaker 3: us who were there, we understood that, like the first
Speaker 3: time we really her Eve commercially was on You Got Me. However,
Speaker 3: being a Philadelphia radio personality, it was interesting to see
Speaker 3: your careers grow, right. So for the roots, y'all became
Speaker 3: international every other city but Philly, And it was interesting
Speaker 3: because for Eve, not only did you do all that,
Speaker 3: but you also became like a Philadelphia hero in that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I always wonder what that was like for y'all
Speaker 3: going those directions.
Speaker 7: Maybe because I was still so close to Philly being
Speaker 7: in New York, like my career was still just kind of.
Speaker 7: So I was with the Rough Riders, I was in
Speaker 7: Harlem or Yunkers most of the time, So I was
Speaker 7: so close to Philly for the first beginning of my
Speaker 7: first probably two years of my career really, and when
Speaker 7: you went.
Speaker 3: Around I would tell people like, your mom would fill in.
Speaker 3: She would be she would show up at a community
Speaker 3: events and stuff.
Speaker 6: Literally literally my mom was like always there. So like, yeah,
Speaker 6: maybe that's what it was.
Speaker 7: Because I didn't really go international at all, probably until
Speaker 7: mid second album.
Speaker 6: My goodness, Yeah, how about for.
Speaker 2: You and me or what was that we had to
Speaker 2: leave Philadelphia to move to London. I mean at that time,
Speaker 2: the only example I knew of was Jimmy HENDRICKX, and
Speaker 2: it was like he couldn't get arrested.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not that he couldn't.
Speaker 2: Get arrested in the United States, but I don't think
Speaker 2: the United States was necessarily ready for a primitive exotic.
Speaker 3: Has you been watching Age Rise, because at the time
Speaker 3: she's got like two three radio hits, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean and whatnot, And so that's what I just thought.
Speaker 4: It was interesting in that way that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in my mind, I was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: about right.
Speaker 2: The last part of this story was when we did
Speaker 2: Woodstock three, X was mad as shit.
Speaker 1: We shared a backstage.
Speaker 2: With X and DMX the roots and whole James Brown
Speaker 2: like Jamaariquai. Everybody's like on Woodstock three And we walk
Speaker 2: in and you know, like the talking that you get
Speaker 2: right before you get a wood with him from your pops,
Speaker 2: when black men start talking with the back of their
Speaker 2: head on on the left palm.
Speaker 1: I got as, why y'all do even dirty like that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 6: Did he for real?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 1: Dog? He read us the right act. Yo.
Speaker 6: I love that so much.
Speaker 4: I love that song.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 6: That's the act man, Please.
Speaker 4: Tell us a story.
Speaker 2: He read us the right act about that, And I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, I gotta make this right.
Speaker 4: That's beautiful. Wow, And what did y'all say? What y'all say?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 1: I think at the time, I was like, well, dude,
Speaker 1: she's like the biggest things in sliced bread.
Speaker 2: Like she wasn't gonna blow up on us, Like if
Speaker 2: anything we needed her then that like she got the
Speaker 2: last word because simply because even with the jail story
Speaker 2: and then Erica like you got me was a mess
Speaker 2: all over the place.
Speaker 1: There was the Erica jail thing.
Speaker 2: There was your situation, like it was so many small
Speaker 2: compartments that have It was almost like, yeah, we deserve
Speaker 2: this screaming all right, let it, let's let us hear
Speaker 2: it X. So we just took it. I mean, of
Speaker 2: course we got Colt later, but he was mad as
Speaker 2: shit that day. But no, dude, I've always, always, always, always.
Speaker 1: Been been proud of her.
Speaker 2: This is what I didn't know. So even when I'm
Speaker 2: asking Rich who is this person? He brought up to
Speaker 2: me that you were part of what we now know
Speaker 2: as the Black Lily Jam sessions, that you were coming
Speaker 2: to the jam sessions.
Speaker 6: To be there all the time at a Meer's house.
Speaker 6: I mean not all yeah, I mean not all the time.
Speaker 7: I was there, Like I used to just be around
Speaker 7: and I think it was like one of those things
Speaker 7: where people knew.
Speaker 6: What I did, but maybe you know, it was everybody
Speaker 6: hung out you. It became one of.
Speaker 7: Those things like because it just was I was just
Speaker 7: an artist hanging out.
Speaker 6: It wasn't you know how you know how it gets like.
Speaker 4: But it's very Philly. Though it's not special, it was
Speaker 4: still a special time.
Speaker 2: The stroller broke the camel's back for me was when
Speaker 2: ten year old Jasmine Sullivan was just hanging in the
Speaker 2: living room. By week five, I mean you've heard the
Speaker 2: stories a mirror call of cops on his own party.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't show up like by week.
Speaker 4: Five, ip a mere bad cop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was my crib.
Speaker 2: Like the next day, no one's around to pick up
Speaker 2: beer bottles and beatis on my rug.
Speaker 6: Oh not a beaty.
Speaker 8: It was the nineties, Yo, got nostalgic for Beaties. Shit emotional.
Speaker 2: So by week five I have been protesting my own
Speaker 2: jam sessions. And by week five, yeah, like I apparently
Speaker 2: missed John Legend being in my crib.
Speaker 1: I missed Bean's freeway. Chris and Nef.
Speaker 2: Well blow was hard to miss because he I mean
Speaker 2: he was like yodling back in nineteen ninety seven when
Speaker 2: nobody was doing primitive yodel noises in jam sessions. But
Speaker 2: I mean pretty much, I would say that I was
Speaker 2: disconnected to the jam sessions in my own living room
Speaker 2: until it moved to the five spot, of which it
Speaker 2: was out of my house.
Speaker 4: So and Eve was gone by then, and she was
Speaker 4: Soren literally.
Speaker 2: But what I want to know is okay, because you
Speaker 2: got me isn't your first debut A year before you
Speaker 2: were on the board soundtrack as Eve of Destruction. So
Speaker 2: can you tell the story of how your brief journey
Speaker 2: I gets guess with Doctor Dre first before you want
Speaker 2: the Rough Riders.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Dre was.
Speaker 7: I mean, Aftermath was my first record deal and that
Speaker 7: song was a demo.
Speaker 6: It was one of the demo songs I did for Dre.
Speaker 7: I basically met Mike Lynn like during the week, like
Speaker 7: my homeboys. That was my managers at the time, drug
Speaker 7: dealer slash Managers.
Speaker 6: Was like, Yo, come through, Mike Linn's coming to my house.
Speaker 7: But you know, I've told this to him many times,
Speaker 7: but you know, pretend to be the wee girl because
Speaker 7: he thought I was selling some weed.
Speaker 6: And then so I was like okay. And then I
Speaker 6: get to the house.
Speaker 7: And we put on music immediately and I start rapping,
Speaker 7: and He's like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 6: Why is we girl rapping?
Speaker 7: But then he listens and they like they quickly talked
Speaker 7: to him like, yo, I know you ain't want to
Speaker 7: hand nobody else, but I'm telling you need to hear her.
Speaker 7: And he was like, all right, fuck it you Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I start rapping and he calls Dre right there like, yo,
Speaker 7: I think we found our girl. And that weekend I
Speaker 7: got flown to La to demo with Melman and that
Speaker 7: song even Destruction. He took it and put it on
Speaker 7: the board soundtrack, which was like, how is this happening?
Speaker 7: Like I was like, first demo, first professional, real demo.
Speaker 7: I did demos all the time, but like, you know,
Speaker 7: first one that's ships on the line, and for that
Speaker 7: to be put on the soundtrack was crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the one thing I'm obsessed with now that
Speaker 2: I'm older, Yeah, it is the amazement when artists don't
Speaker 2: get in their own way or figure out how to
Speaker 2: mess it up when they get an opportunity.
Speaker 7: I did mess it up, though, I messed it up,
Speaker 7: and so no, so this is why I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 7: tell you why I'm here. Messed up and got dropped
Speaker 7: and got humbled, and then I had another chance and that's.
Speaker 6: How I got signed to Rough Riders.
Speaker 7: So the eight months that I was in LA with Dre,
Speaker 7: I was Philly feisty and was showing up to sessions
Speaker 7: I wasn't supposed to be at Like when am I recording?
Speaker 6: You got me all the way out and I was
Speaker 6: being super.
Speaker 4: All day, all day.
Speaker 7: You got me all the way out in LA like
Speaker 7: I thought I was supposed to be recorded like I
Speaker 7: was super Philly, and then I got dropped because he
Speaker 7: was like I can't deal with this, like what's happening?
Speaker 6: So I got sick Philly. After I had a big
Speaker 6: going away party, after I've been living.
Speaker 7: In a condo, living my you know, had a bank account,
Speaker 7: everything back in my mom's house, had to catch the
Speaker 7: bus again, all of that, and at that time I
Speaker 7: decided I need I wanted to drop the destruction because
Speaker 7: I had to talk with myself like if I ever
Speaker 7: get this opportunity again, who is it I want to
Speaker 7: be as an artist? Who do I want to show
Speaker 7: the world? And I was like, I just want I want.
Speaker 6: To be Eve.
Speaker 7: And then I got the phone call to go to
Speaker 7: Yonkers and I was like, Okay, this is it, this
Speaker 7: is it.
Speaker 4: I gotta run because the moment from them that felt
Speaker 4: like this was it one.
Speaker 7: And it's funny because I talk about Jimmy Ivy in
Speaker 7: the book, but he was the person that was like
Speaker 7: and he could have dropped me.
Speaker 6: I was obviously after math in a scope.
Speaker 7: Jimmy could have been like, oh cool, like you dropping
Speaker 7: this girl, we don't need her anymore.
Speaker 6: He decided to keep me.
Speaker 7: Jimmy was the one that decided to keep me and
Speaker 7: was like, I think rough Riders would be a good
Speaker 7: fit for you. And that's when I got the call
Speaker 7: from management again, Like yo, Jimmy called and said, you
Speaker 7: need to go.
Speaker 6: You need to go to Yonkers to meet rough Riders.
Speaker 7: Which I had already known of the rough riders, Like
Speaker 7: I met X when I was signed to Dre already,
Speaker 7: so I used to kind of hang out with him
Speaker 7: when he would come to La Melman actually introduced me,
Speaker 7: so we'd be in the same you know, at the
Speaker 7: same places and whatever.
Speaker 6: When X had a show, I would go, so they
Speaker 6: knew me kind of.
Speaker 4: They also are a Philly crew as well.
Speaker 3: I always got confused with that with the bikers, like
Speaker 3: it was a it was a whole Philly it's.
Speaker 6: A whole national thing, so like, yeah, you know how
Speaker 6: Philly is Philly loved. So there was a huge.
Speaker 7: Rough rider like set of people in Philly for sure
Speaker 7: that repped rough riders more for riding than they did
Speaker 7: for music, right, Okay, so yeah, so yeah, once I
Speaker 7: got once I got that call and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: we're going up here. I have to make this happen,
Speaker 7: like I have to make this happen. This is this
Speaker 7: is the moment, This is the moment.
Speaker 3: Was there a song moment that when you was working
Speaker 3: on something and you was like this shit just clicks
Speaker 3: like it's this isn't it?
Speaker 7: Like it wasn't so much that you know. With Rough
Speaker 7: Riders they treated us like it. And I've said this before,
Speaker 7: but they treat it was like a boot camp. So
Speaker 7: when I finally got signed of Rough Riders, they would
Speaker 7: have us in different rooms. Like some artists, they'd be like,
Speaker 7: you same beat, we're all writing on the same beat,
Speaker 7: but we.
Speaker 6: Would be in separate rooms.
Speaker 7: Thetel w Yeah and D or why would come and
Speaker 7: be like let me hear what you got, Let me
Speaker 7: hear what you got and see whosever fucking verse was hottest,
Speaker 7: would get on the beat or whatever. So it was constant,
Speaker 7: like you know, it was. It was where I learned
Speaker 7: how to write actual, an actual song, because I'm a
Speaker 7: battle rapper.
Speaker 6: That's how I used it. I was bars. I was
Speaker 6: sixteen twenty four bars in ciphers. That was who I was.
Speaker 6: I didn't know how to make a song.
Speaker 7: I didn't really I knew what a hook was, but
Speaker 7: I didn't know how to do that myself.
Speaker 1: So in those eight months, did you work with Dre
Speaker 1: at all personally?
Speaker 6: Maybe? Like once I I worked with a lot of
Speaker 6: different other producers. It really didn't work with.
Speaker 1: Everyone unders like Mike Alexandro or.
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 7: But even then within that time, at that time, at Aftermath.
Speaker 6: There were no real A and rs.
Speaker 7: Really, I think Dre was great at and especially because
Speaker 7: you know he's a producer or artist. But I think
Speaker 7: it was an and that's why when Eminem got signed
Speaker 7: it was easy.
Speaker 6: That was easy because Eminem came fully.
Speaker 7: Formed in a way, if that makes sense, you know
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. I think whenever they needed to figure
Speaker 7: out how to place someone or how to direct them,
Speaker 7: it just didn't work out.
Speaker 2: When you get to Rough Riders, because you've done like
Speaker 2: your most powerful work with with Swisz's what's the working
Speaker 2: relationship with how you and Swizz make songs together.
Speaker 6: Swiss is great.
Speaker 7: I always call him a bouncing ball because Swiss is
Speaker 7: like energy and you just it is so infectious. So
Speaker 7: we sometimes would bang out like three four songs a day,
Speaker 7: like just like and some of that shit was cool,
Speaker 7: some of it wasn't. Some of it was piece, you know,
Speaker 7: it was little piece. Maybe it's a hook over here,
Speaker 7: but he's a verse KND or maybe we take this whatever,
Speaker 7: but we because we and even though Swiss was family,
Speaker 7: because I always say I'm the adopted kid of the
Speaker 7: rough Riders, because everybody else I are are either actual
Speaker 7: blood family or like from the young from Yonkers, from
Speaker 7: Harlem or whatever they know. But with me and Swiss,
Speaker 7: we both had something to prove, same age, same position basically,
Speaker 7: so we just clicked and energetically we just got each other.
Speaker 7: And it's it's the same to this day, like you know, yeah,
Speaker 7: we just get each other.
Speaker 4: And to this day y'all in the studio, I know.
Speaker 6: That was good. That was good.
Speaker 7: No, you know, we both know what we gravitate towards,
Speaker 7: like sound wise or whatever. Because well sometimes it has
Speaker 7: it's been a while now, I will say, but sometimes
Speaker 7: we'll send the song or send the beat, or he'll
Speaker 7: send me something and.
Speaker 6: Be like, oh, you know, you might like this whatever.
Speaker 6: It's been a while for that.
Speaker 7: But but yeah, now we just I feel like we
Speaker 7: both knew we had something to prove, but we also
Speaker 7: wanted the same We wanted to be like at the
Speaker 7: top of the pecking order.
Speaker 4: In a way.
Speaker 7: They never played us against each other, they never put
Speaker 7: us against each other, but you felt it within the
Speaker 7: crew it was healthy competition and you wanted to be
Speaker 7: that next one that was called to get on the
Speaker 7: verse or called to make the beat. So we both
Speaker 7: had that same like, Noah, we gotta make this happen.
Speaker 7: Let's let's let's fucking do it.
Speaker 6: Let's do it. So yeah, as.
Speaker 3: When you figured out the hook thing, because you said
Speaker 3: that if you didn't know how to do hooks, but
Speaker 3: then you know, you became good at this.
Speaker 6: Darn Darren. Darren helped me with that, Darrande Darren and
Speaker 6: why I think just being in.
Speaker 7: The studio and as we got closer to like when
Speaker 7: we really figured out like Okay, when I was picked,
Speaker 7: I was say, after the rough Rider's anthem and they
Speaker 7: were like, your next to do the album. Then it
Speaker 7: became like, all right, you need to and he already
Speaker 7: was doing this anyway, like.
Speaker 6: You don't how pheelly people.
Speaker 7: We talked fast sometimes so he used to just be like,
Speaker 7: you need to back a little bit more. Now end
Speaker 7: it here, do eight bars over here? Do this over here?
Speaker 7: Like so it took it.
Speaker 6: You know, it was just I guess coaching really was coaching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say probably with the song on your debut
Speaker 2: that resonated with your fan base, of course, his Love
Speaker 2: is Blind. Can you talk about just the genesis of
Speaker 2: how that song came to be in the process behind it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wrote that.
Speaker 7: I wrote it as a poem when I was sixteen
Speaker 7: because my friend at the time, she was seventeen, she
Speaker 7: was dating this dude he might have been like, I
Speaker 7: don't know, twenty eight thirty something. He used to keep
Speaker 7: her in an apartment like all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: He used to beat her and he was married like
Speaker 7: all of that. And sometimes she would come to my house.
Speaker 7: She have a black eye, or she has like some
Speaker 7: bruises on or whatever. And then she got pregnant for him,
Speaker 7: had his baby. He wasn't there.
Speaker 8: I was.
Speaker 7: I held the baby first. I was there while she
Speaker 7: got the epidural. I'm sixteen, she's seventeen. Like I wrote,
Speaker 7: the first two verses of love is Blind is the
Speaker 7: is the poem, and then when we when I decided
Speaker 7: to turn it into a song, I just added that
Speaker 7: third verse for obviously dramatics.
Speaker 6: Because obviously didn't kill anybody.
Speaker 7: But then when that beat in the hook, I just
Speaker 7: wanted to keep it super simple, like love is blind
Speaker 7: and it'll take go.
Speaker 6: Like it's so simple.
Speaker 7: But it really was how I felt like she really
Speaker 7: did love this dude, like we were so young, Like.
Speaker 4: Eve has always been forth right.
Speaker 3: Because I just saw a clip of y'all from Forever Ago,
Speaker 3: if you Andrea that was her name, and her on
Speaker 3: stage and y'all talking about that. Do y'all keep in
Speaker 3: communication at all?
Speaker 6: Or oh, I haven't spoken to her in years.
Speaker 7: We kept in touch for a while, like once I
Speaker 7: kind of got into the industry, and then even once
Speaker 7: I was on the road, she moved in with my mom,
Speaker 7: she with her kid, like you know, she we tried too.
Speaker 6: And then things just fell apart. Sadly, I feel like
Speaker 6: life be life. And also it was one of those
Speaker 6: things too when I talk about this in the book.
Speaker 7: That I tried to take all of my friends on
Speaker 7: tour because I felt like I didn't want them to
Speaker 7: think that I was changing, And God I'd recommend not doing.
Speaker 4: That to get them jobs.
Speaker 1: They got to.
Speaker 7: I gave them jobs, but they didn't do them they
Speaker 7: I gave them. I remember about this in the book
Speaker 7: as well. I for my friends they who had the baby, Andrea,
Speaker 7: I gave her a bit more because she as a kid.
Speaker 7: And then but she told one of the other people
Speaker 7: and then they was like, well why sheet like it
Speaker 7: just became a thing. Yeah, I don't recommend doing that.
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about this, but it feels like rough
Speaker 3: Riders was a nice comforting place. But you have always
Speaker 3: been the woman in a male place. And I know
Speaker 3: you talk about this in the in the book a lot,
Speaker 3: but can you talk about like protection in that way
Speaker 3: or armor? Like were you protected or did you have
Speaker 3: heavy armor on yourself? Can you were there's situations when
Speaker 3: you couldn't use either one. I mean, you know, can
Speaker 3: you just talk about it.
Speaker 6: I definitely was protected.
Speaker 7: I feel so lucky, thankful, grateful that I was in
Speaker 7: the crew that I was in because they protected me,
Speaker 7: respected me, and celebrated me for sure. So I think
Speaker 7: I was lucky in that way. But outside of that,
Speaker 7: I'm just trying to figure my life out, Like I'm this.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm young, I got money. Now I'm famous
Speaker 7: like I want to be. But don't nobody tell you
Speaker 7: about fame. I'm drinking, I'm smoking weed. I'm trying to
Speaker 7: keep up with my friends. I gotta perform. I gotta
Speaker 7: make decisions that like it was so much at one time,
Speaker 7: and it happened so fat, everything happened so fast, and
Speaker 7: then you're exhausted, like I was exhausted in a way
Speaker 7: that I never even knew what that was.
Speaker 6: Like, I don't so I think in a lot of ways,
Speaker 6: the armor that I.
Speaker 7: Did have for myself personally just got broken down and
Speaker 7: chipped away.
Speaker 6: You know, I had a breakdown. I had to quit
Speaker 6: my first.
Speaker 7: Tour, right you know, I had a lot of stuff
Speaker 7: that went on, and it took me a long time
Speaker 7: to come back to a sanity and a happiness, which
Speaker 7: is what I prayed for when I have my breakdown,
Speaker 7: Like I was like, I don't give a fuck about fame.
Speaker 7: If I can get my sanity and my happiness back,
Speaker 7: I can do anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Because I.
Speaker 3: Hope y'all make clear in this book that Eve was
Speaker 3: a first and a lot, so therefore she didn't have
Speaker 3: a lot of peers that could be like.
Speaker 4: Hey do this. I mean you were the first.
Speaker 3: I felt like you were the first female even see
Speaker 3: to have a successful clothing line, the first to have
Speaker 3: a TV show, like all these first So now it's
Speaker 3: easier for everybody else because Eve kind of opening door.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a network with your peers at the.
Speaker 2: Time, Like, were you ever close to Kim or Fox
Speaker 2: or Lauren where you just talk about things or were
Speaker 2: you kind of in this thing isolated? Is commonality of
Speaker 2: just being a woman enough to form a bond or.
Speaker 6: That's a good question.
Speaker 7: I when I got signed, I thought it was this
Speaker 7: big sisterhood, so like I was such a nerd. I
Speaker 7: used to run up to everybody and be like, girls,
Speaker 7: how much girl?
Speaker 5: A girl?
Speaker 7: I want you to get on the hot girl like and
Speaker 7: they would be looking at me like this fucking nerd,
Speaker 7: Like who the fuck.
Speaker 6: The fuck is this?
Speaker 7: Like we talked about this, Kathy. The first time I
Speaker 7: met Kim, I was like, grow me and my friends
Speaker 7: who just smoking to you all the time, And I
Speaker 7: had you beg like a girl and she.
Speaker 6: Was just like wow, like it was a lie.
Speaker 7: It was overwhelming, Like and I learned it took me
Speaker 7: a minute to learn, like, oh, it's really not like that.
Speaker 6: There's not a sisterhood here. And I do think a
Speaker 6: lot of it was people, the industry, crews, whatever, was
Speaker 6: pitting each other against each other because why can't we
Speaker 6: get along, Why can't we hang out?
Speaker 7: Why it's only us little minority we should be hanging out.
Speaker 7: That's not to say, Listen, I love Missy, I love Trina.
Speaker 7: They immediately they are have always been. You know, my
Speaker 7: people always have been.
Speaker 6: Kim.
Speaker 7: I loved we had a situation. I love her to death,
Speaker 7: not like but it was more of a misunderstanding. It
Speaker 7: wasn't even color us, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 7: I think sometimes there's this time.
Speaker 3: They don't want y'all to compare paychecks and things like that.
Speaker 3: That too, and budgets and things.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't know, Kathy, you can speak to
Speaker 7: this too, But I just feel like, you know, it's
Speaker 7: it's sad.
Speaker 6: Why why can't we hang out?
Speaker 1: Shit?
Speaker 4: What you say, Pathy, you did the research.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's the first lady trop right, So it's
Speaker 5: like this idea that like, mentally it's always like I'm
Speaker 5: the first lady of this crew. So I mean because
Speaker 5: that media coach all the new girls and I see
Speaker 5: that they don't have a crew where they're singled out
Speaker 5: and they're.
Speaker 4: All hanging out now they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting to see.
Speaker 4: It's interesting. I like to see. I see Megan with
Speaker 4: Glow and I'm like, oh, I love it. You know,
Speaker 4: it's beautiful. I just yeah.
Speaker 3: But it's also it had it was an evolution because
Speaker 3: also it was a time when they felt like female
Speaker 3: MC needed a male crew, and so these girls have
Speaker 3: to know.
Speaker 7: That it's true that it did. It was the co sign,
Speaker 7: it was the co sign back in the day.
Speaker 6: It's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now, how.
Speaker 2: Did you feel about Let There Be Eve? Breaking the
Speaker 2: barriers that it did? It not only broke barriers just
Speaker 2: for women in hip hop, but just hip hop in general.
Speaker 2: Like a number one album is number one album, no
Speaker 2: matter how you slicense a victory for you know, the
Speaker 2: art form itself. But going into making Scorpion, what was
Speaker 2: your mental state at least as far as your creative process,
Speaker 2: the feeling of pressure and keeping that momentum going.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely definitely felt the pressure. I definitely felt
Speaker 7: that people were like, can she do it again. Can
Speaker 7: it Is it gonna be as good like that sophomore
Speaker 7: curse or whatever? That is something I definitely thought about.
Speaker 7: But that being said, I definitely felt like I wanted to,
Speaker 7: I don't know, expand a little bit more, maybe do
Speaker 7: something slightly different. I always feel like it was weird
Speaker 7: because I didn't have the same I always feel like
Speaker 7: my first album is the album I wrote. I've been
Speaker 7: writing that my whole life, and then you get in
Speaker 7: the business and they're like you need to hurry up
Speaker 7: and put out another album. You're like, shit, I got
Speaker 7: two months, but I've been working on this one piece
Speaker 7: of thing forever, you know what I mean, Like I've
Speaker 7: been waiting to show the world.
Speaker 6: There's one thing.
Speaker 7: The only cohesiveness I really had about the second album,
Speaker 7: like Scorpion, was like I want everything to be read,
Speaker 7: I want red hair like that was the only kind
Speaker 7: of things I could kind of control and think about.
Speaker 7: And the song kind of just did you know. It
Speaker 7: was the first time I really traveled.
Speaker 6: We did it. We did the whole album in Miami.
Speaker 7: The whole crew came down, so it was kind of
Speaker 7: just being in the studio to see what what would strike,
Speaker 7: what would happen, and then I had to fly to
Speaker 7: La with Dre do Blow your Mind, which was great.
Speaker 1: With Scott Storch, was that the last song you worked.
Speaker 7: On wasn't the last, but probably close to last. I
Speaker 7: don't know if it was the last last, but it
Speaker 7: was probably close.
Speaker 4: To last for y'all. I loved that for y'all.
Speaker 3: How y'all intermingled like that, Like I just the Scott
Speaker 3: moment just came me, like, oh yeah, Scott, Scott roots Sorry.
Speaker 4: I was like, that's do.
Speaker 2: But also yeah, I always find the bigger songs that
Speaker 2: the last ones down the line. There's one song in
Speaker 2: particular always wanted to know about. You have Tina Marie
Speaker 2: on your album. She did Life is so Hard, I think.
Speaker 7: On my album Wow, I just was like that would
Speaker 7: be It was a dream come true to me because
Speaker 7: I like me and my friends used to listen to her.
Speaker 6: You know who didn't. But I feel like Philly loved
Speaker 6: Tina Marie. I don't know, like I.
Speaker 7: Guess everywhere I did, but I feel like she was
Speaker 7: a part of my music growing up as well, and
Speaker 7: I had to have.
Speaker 6: Her on that album. I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 6: work with her though we talked. I think we talked
Speaker 6: on the phone or something.
Speaker 7: He didn't her studio because it was signed to.
Speaker 1: Cash Money at the time.
Speaker 4: That's right, that was the last thing.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I just was so like thankful, grateful legend.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, most people in the hip hop realm will
Speaker 2: start to pivot maybe ten years after their career starts,
Speaker 2: but you pretty much started pivoting really by album one
Speaker 2: by album too.
Speaker 3: You know, you.
Speaker 2: Were already doing acting and sort of expanding, doing shows
Speaker 2: and whatnot. Can you just talk about in general the
Speaker 2: feeling of I guess when the world is your oyster.
Speaker 2: And I'm asking this in terms of I'm kind of
Speaker 2: studying people who get these opportunities and again self sabotages,
Speaker 2: kind of an obsession of mind and watching other artists operate,
Speaker 2: but getting these opportunities, you know, doing the barbershop series
Speaker 2: or getting your own sitcom like at this time, is just.
Speaker 3: Acting a mirror she did. I don't remember her acting
Speaker 3: before she had her own show, like Don't.
Speaker 1: Do You No? Were you in the woods I don't
Speaker 1: know when The Woodsman came, but.
Speaker 6: The Woodsman was aft of the show I believe.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I.
Speaker 5: Should know these things, but I'm pretty sure seeding treble
Speaker 5: X and Barbershop at the same time.
Speaker 6: Maybe during the same time.
Speaker 5: As as the Eve Show two thousand and six, Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: and and s.
Speaker 7: I guess yeah, but Barbershop, I feel like it was
Speaker 7: wasn't that after No, it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't after Eve. It was the same time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I guess it's all co mingles. I will
Speaker 7: say that that was Troy Carter's.
Speaker 4: Thank you for saying his name.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I knew, you know, I've known Troy's It was
Speaker 7: like fifteen and then he became my manager. Mark Byers
Speaker 7: was my manager first, and then Troy his.
Speaker 3: Name Lord Jesus and Troy.
Speaker 7: You know, Troy came from the Overbrook will Smith camp.
Speaker 7: That for him, that blueprint was very easy of like music,
Speaker 7: we're going to act if you want longevity. So I
Speaker 7: was kind of like, okay, cool. I was kind of
Speaker 7: just like, let me see how it goes. And at
Speaker 7: first I was actually opposed to acting because I was like,
Speaker 7: I make music, I don't really want to acting.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, most people will figure out
Speaker 2: a billion excuses to not do it. Yeah, going down
Speaker 2: to San Francisco Hill with no breaks like.
Speaker 7: I did try and you know what happened. This is
Speaker 7: why Troy was good. He was like, look, why don't
Speaker 7: you meet with an acting coach. If you hate the process,
Speaker 7: I will never bring it up again. And my acting
Speaker 7: coach was Tracy Moore Marrable, who is amazing and at
Speaker 7: the time, yeah, she had been working with pretty much
Speaker 7: every rapper that was about to that was starting to act.
Speaker 7: She was like, it was like she was doing bust
Speaker 7: the Ludicris like everybody. And I met her and she
Speaker 7: literally said to me because I was like, well, I
Speaker 7: don't know if it's for me, blah blahlah, and she
Speaker 7: was like, you know, every time you do a video
Speaker 7: yet basically acting, and I was like dune.
Speaker 6: And I was like.
Speaker 7: And that just like opened my my whole brain up
Speaker 7: to accepting, like, all right, well let me try, you know,
Speaker 7: and I am very much that person though in my
Speaker 7: personality I am a very much like let me see,
Speaker 7: let me just see, I am that person. So she
Speaker 7: opened that part up.
Speaker 1: What was the first the Barbershop Triple X.
Speaker 7: So Barbershop was the first official role I got that
Speaker 7: I read for Triple X came by mistake because the
Speaker 7: rapper that was supposed to do it, and I believe
Speaker 7: it was Ludacrous. I think he got sick of something
Speaker 7: and I happened to be in La at that time
Speaker 7: and we got a call. Troy got a call like,
Speaker 7: but she want to come do this movie like and
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, well fuck it.
Speaker 6: So that was first movie, but official role was Barbershop Terry.
Speaker 3: I love how everything happened for a reason because Luda
Speaker 3: wasn'tupposed to be in that movie with him.
Speaker 4: He was supposed to Ben Diesel. He's supposed to being
Speaker 4: fast and furious.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was Luda. I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 6: was Luda. Pretty sure. Do we say that in the book?
Speaker 6: I can't remember. I don't know if we said I
Speaker 6: say his name. I don't think I see his name,
Speaker 6: but I'm pretty sure it was him. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 6: I'm not one hundred percent, but yeah maybe.
Speaker 3: By the way, I just want to also mention for
Speaker 3: the people listening, like the beautiful parallel of you and
Speaker 3: Tory Carter's career and how we wouldn't have not only
Speaker 3: just you, but a person named Lady gat Gay.
Speaker 7: Like we don't speak often. We had a moment where
Speaker 7: we when we kind.
Speaker 6: Of split ways.
Speaker 7: That was probably one of my hardest relationship breakups because.
Speaker 6: We have been together for a long time and he
Speaker 6: did a lot for me.
Speaker 7: Both we every birth because we're both scorpios as well,
Speaker 7: so we do happy birthdays every year to each other.
Speaker 6: And when I see you know, I've run into him
Speaker 6: over the years and it's all love always.
Speaker 4: He's amazing our black Bill Gates of such.
Speaker 2: Okay, what would you say is the most important lesson
Speaker 2: that you've learned? And not meaning like, if you could
Speaker 2: do something over again, would you or are you fine
Speaker 2: with the journey that you're on right now, this very.
Speaker 1: Path that you've taken, if you could go back in time.
Speaker 2: What's the one bit of advice that you wish you
Speaker 2: could dole to your young adult self.
Speaker 7: Probably to truly, truly, truly trust your gut. I got
Speaker 7: to a point there was a few years in my
Speaker 7: like where I just did not trust myself or trust
Speaker 7: any of the decisions that I was making. For some reason,
Speaker 7: I just didn't trust my gut. I couldn't feel my gut.
Speaker 7: And I think it had a lot to do with
Speaker 7: my anxiety and I was drinking, so yeah, a lot
Speaker 7: of that. I definitely would not have numbed myself as
Speaker 7: much as I tried to numb myself.
Speaker 6: That probably would be the biggest thing.
Speaker 7: But there's so many, you know, as artists, and when
Speaker 7: you just you feel so much, you see so much,
Speaker 7: and I think that I was just trying, I don't know,
Speaker 7: to try to stay grounded.
Speaker 6: But all that shit is learning as well, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I mean now we kind of live in an era
Speaker 2: in which artists are really transparent about their mental health
Speaker 2: recovery and actively participating in be it therapy or life
Speaker 2: coaching or that sort of thing at times, Like, did
Speaker 2: you ever like actively go to therapy or that sort
Speaker 2: of thing too?
Speaker 7: I did. I love healing, like healing work, so whether
Speaker 7: that's like crystals or meditation or literally seeing a healer,
Speaker 7: a shaman and things like that, I'm into all that
Speaker 7: kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: Talk therapy. I did try.
Speaker 7: I wasn't good at it because I didn't feel like
Speaker 7: telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth, because
Speaker 7: I wasn't in touch with those feelings right and want
Speaker 7: to really feel those feelings. So talk therapy mean shit
Speaker 7: when you're not really showing up.
Speaker 1: So when did you allow yourself to be vulnerable only
Speaker 1: when I.
Speaker 7: Was really drinking or if I was like taking Mollie
Speaker 7: and then I'd be.
Speaker 6: Like on the world.
Speaker 7: And then let me tell you how I got to
Speaker 7: because I also was one of those people who never cried.
Speaker 6: I didn't cry.
Speaker 7: I didn't then I'm serious, I didn't cry.
Speaker 6: Really, I'm in one of my besties, E Lefty.
Speaker 7: Shout out to E Lefty was I remember one time
Speaker 7: she got big boots one day she.
Speaker 6: Was like, girl, please you need a hug.
Speaker 7: Please put your head, you need you need a hand
Speaker 7: in your hand on my bosom. And it's okay, a hug.
Speaker 7: She's like, it's okay, you're my friend. Like we can
Speaker 7: hug it. Like I just didn't grow up in a
Speaker 7: family of touchy lovey so it took me years. But
Speaker 7: even you know, and I talk about this in the book,
Speaker 7: I also grew up in a family that I didn't
Speaker 7: really know how to communicate, going back to communication, whether
Speaker 7: it was good or bad.
Speaker 6: So he didn't say I love you.
Speaker 7: You kind of knew it, but we also really didn't
Speaker 7: scream or argue it kind of was just quiet or
Speaker 7: crazy in the house.
Speaker 8: Do you find yourself counteracting that with your own child,
Speaker 8: as in, like if you grew up in a colder family,
Speaker 8: do you find yourself.
Speaker 7: Being over Oh I am the smotheriest mother of like
Speaker 7: he's too half and he's already like mama.
Speaker 4: That's very important to Bill's point too.
Speaker 3: I was wondering how you incorporate all of this history
Speaker 3: and stuff into this new life that you live in
Speaker 3: a whole nother country. Like I'm thinking, do your step
Speaker 3: kids even understand the legacy of who you are? And
Speaker 3: then the philliness, like how because I know even with
Speaker 3: your son, like how do.
Speaker 8: You still that phi British? Really impressive just to sen
Speaker 8: to you talk like all of a sudden we're in
Speaker 8: I know, I have a lot.
Speaker 7: It's funny because my son he definitely has a twain
Speaker 7: on top of like British words.
Speaker 6: He definitely says.
Speaker 7: Stuff and a twang that is like that's definitely philly.
Speaker 6: H But you know, having kids, I will say, is
Speaker 6: huge for me.
Speaker 7: Because even though again I didn't grow up in a
Speaker 7: house that I said I love you or we argued
Speaker 7: when it did blow up, there was screaming. I don't
Speaker 7: want to be a screaming mom, but I want to
Speaker 7: be a tough mom because I'm not into that, you know, soft.
Speaker 6: It's just not I know, it's not gonna help with
Speaker 6: my kid.
Speaker 7: Is that being a best friend?
Speaker 6: You know? So I'm trying to figure that out. I'm
Speaker 6: trying to figure out how to.
Speaker 3: Oh there's a nice medal in there, Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm scared of my mother, but she my best friend.
Speaker 7: You know, And so I'm trying I want that because
Speaker 7: the other thing was I was so terrified of my
Speaker 7: mom I wouldn't come tell her anything.
Speaker 6: So I don't want that either. It's a it's a
Speaker 6: constant thing.
Speaker 7: I talk about this now in therapy of how I
Speaker 7: want to be and how I want to be for him.
Speaker 6: And you know, Philly is always here, like you could
Speaker 6: take our handy, but you can't take the I mean, yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, does he here it is? I need
Speaker 4: him to hear it.
Speaker 6: Sometime.
Speaker 7: We don't play that game at Tall. We're not having it.
Speaker 7: We're not having it. And I'm still scared of my mom.
Speaker 7: I'm forty five Dolay games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't play no game your mama.
Speaker 4: Tall so I was scared of her too.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. She five nine.
Speaker 2: Okay, what I really admire about your journey is you
Speaker 2: allowing loving in a way, because I think it's major
Speaker 2: if you leave your home base to start all over
Speaker 2: again far away from which you came. And probably one
Speaker 2: of my biggest faults is a lot of decisions I
Speaker 2: make are based on.
Speaker 1: Other people.
Speaker 2: In other words, like I would like to move that
Speaker 2: D D D D, but now I can't because I
Speaker 2: got to be here with da da da da, I
Speaker 2: got to be in proximity of It's almost like I
Speaker 2: put myself eighth or nine life on the list.
Speaker 1: How easy or hard was it to really make this
Speaker 1: decision where you're.
Speaker 2: Walking away actively recording, walking away from uh, from the talk,
Speaker 2: from acting all those things to find love, to put
Speaker 2: your family first, to that sort of thing and put
Speaker 2: your family first. Like I really want to ask you,
Speaker 2: what is that like?
Speaker 4: Because it took me.
Speaker 7: A long time to respect my feelings, to respect the
Speaker 7: things that I really want that actually bring me actual
Speaker 7: happiness without feeling guilty, because we can make ourselves feel
Speaker 7: so fucking guilty about things. And I would say being
Speaker 7: in the industry breathe that fucking guilt as well, because
Speaker 7: sometimes you have a manager or an agent or somebody
Speaker 7: that's like, you can't say no to this opportunity, Yo,
Speaker 7: if you don't do this right here, then we're gonna
Speaker 7: fuck up this over here and then this like and
Speaker 7: I think, you know, once I kind of drop myself
Speaker 7: through and understanding what my anxiety was.
Speaker 6: Why is this anxiety? Why am I trying to number myself?
Speaker 7: Why am I so I got all this shit going on,
Speaker 7: but I'm still not very happy. I feel lonely, I'm
Speaker 7: Why am I drinking so much?
Speaker 6: Why am I? All those questions kind of came down to, like,
Speaker 6: what is it that you want?
Speaker 4: What do you want? What is it that you want?
Speaker 7: That shit's hard, It's still hard. It's hard, and now
Speaker 7: that I have a kid, it's even harder to be away.
Speaker 7: I wish my mom was around the corner. That shit
Speaker 7: is hard.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: I never thought about it before then.
Speaker 7: Because I was so okay with being like, all right,
Speaker 7: I'm out, I'm fucking it, I'm out. When it comes
Speaker 7: to being at home the Philly, I will say, when
Speaker 7: it comes to business opportunity, yeah, that definitely took a
Speaker 7: little bit longer, but like walking away from the talk,
Speaker 7: for instance, was the major decision for that was we
Speaker 7: had we were in the midst of that, the whole pandemic.
Speaker 7: But then I was getting older and I was like,
Speaker 7: I want a kid and I can't have we I mean,
Speaker 7: it's just impossible to try to have a kid when
Speaker 7: I'm in la most of the time and he's in
Speaker 7: London most of the time, and I'm only flying in
Speaker 7: two weeks out of the freaking you know, every two weeks.
Speaker 6: So that made that decision.
Speaker 7: While it was hard, because I actually really enjoyed it
Speaker 7: was such a crazy thing to say, Like I talk
Speaker 7: about this in the book, I appreciated that opportunity.
Speaker 6: I needed that opportunity, but it did it served the
Speaker 6: purpose that.
Speaker 4: Is, your voice was needed, like as a person who.
Speaker 6: Watched like and it also helped me, like it was
Speaker 6: the first time that I was I was.
Speaker 7: Vocally vulnerable, if you were pay into vulnerability, because I
Speaker 7: can't sit at the same poet not really talk about
Speaker 7: myself and talk about things that are going on.
Speaker 6: So I do think it helped me in a lot
Speaker 6: of ways and with issues I had with myself, with Queens.
Speaker 7: Queens was when I watched it back, it was such
Speaker 7: a great It is such a great show, but it
Speaker 7: was such a hard shoot, and it was the first
Speaker 7: time that I had had I talk about anxiety, like
Speaker 7: I was at anxiety master level, Like and I was pregnant,
Speaker 7: and I was like, you know, here is I going
Speaker 7: through all this fertility stuff And I'm like, here is
Speaker 7: I'm now working my ass off. Am I gonna mess
Speaker 7: the situation up? Am I gonna mess the baby? I
Speaker 7: was always at the doctor. I was like, it was
Speaker 7: so many things going on that I was just like,
Speaker 7: I don't want to have this kid and be on
Speaker 7: a set for sixteen hours.
Speaker 6: I'm an older mom, Like, I don't want to miss
Speaker 6: that shit. I just don't.
Speaker 7: So now my driving force of all things are like
Speaker 7: can I bring him with me if it's gonna be
Speaker 7: a while or if I'm only if I'm away it's two.
Speaker 6: Or three days, Like I don't play when it comes
Speaker 6: to that.
Speaker 3: There was a community of women who watched you and
Speaker 3: Queen and knew what you were kind of going through.
Speaker 4: And saw you leave.
Speaker 3: That was like she felt it like she is of
Speaker 3: a certain age, she is making a fucking decision and
Speaker 3: she's picking her joy and we're that's fine.
Speaker 4: You felt it.
Speaker 6: I had to and I had to put it and
Speaker 6: it's hard. But fuck me, man, when am I gonna
Speaker 6: do it? If I ain't gonna do.
Speaker 4: Admire you because you did it like you did it.
Speaker 1: For your professional career.
Speaker 2: What were like three pinch me moments like oh shit,
Speaker 2: this is actually happening like for you. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's meeting someone or or yeah nah.
Speaker 7: One is Prince period first point? Like one, I mean,
Speaker 7: it's it's like one number one. But an umbrella of
Speaker 7: Prince being that he knew who I was, that I
Speaker 7: got to have conversations with him, that I got to
Speaker 7: be on stage with him and perform with him, that
Speaker 7: I got to see him so Prince.
Speaker 6: The Grammy, of course for my mom to see, because
Speaker 6: that was.
Speaker 7: A big deal for me, that my mom got to
Speaker 7: see that I'm gonna be all right because I was
Speaker 7: like great in school.
Speaker 6: And none of yeah, three, I don't know, you know.
Speaker 1: Three.
Speaker 7: It's hard to just pick a few because I do
Speaker 7: feel that I've been so I am so grateful and
Speaker 7: so I won't say so I love I like the
Speaker 7: word lucky, but I don't like that word lucky, because
Speaker 7: I do believe.
Speaker 6: Lucky's a good.
Speaker 4: Word is blessed.
Speaker 6: It's like a nice Yes, I've been super blessed career.
Speaker 7: How I mean ship, I'm on a single right now
Speaker 7: with sha Ka Khan and see it and it's called
Speaker 7: so like I'm you'll having moments like when the fuck
Speaker 7: would I ever think that I'd be on a song
Speaker 7: with kun like I mean now, if I get to
Speaker 7: meet her and do the song in person, as I'm
Speaker 7: putting this in the universe, even just to meet her,
Speaker 7: I don't even care. I just want to sit and
Speaker 7: talk to her. I've met her before, but I'm not
Speaker 7: like sat and spoke spoken with her.
Speaker 2: So that would be you and her, damn near the
Speaker 2: same person and on the same journey and the same
Speaker 2: I absolutely encourage it. Yes, she's been on the show, Yes,
Speaker 2: meditating her Crystal room right now.
Speaker 1: I bet I.
Speaker 6: Remember I said, Kathy like bro she came up on
Speaker 6: my f y p like and meditate.
Speaker 4: I didn't know she was on her meditation John that
Speaker 4: that's good for her.
Speaker 6: Yes, And it was a beautiful like was it a
Speaker 6: new moon?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was the Lion was the.
Speaker 1: Lion, the Lion's Gate one of them three weeks ago, right, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 6: Because me and Kathy loved the woo woo, so we
Speaker 6: were very excited about that.
Speaker 2: It was a she gave I mean, she gave me
Speaker 2: Crystal and I it's somewhere, it's somewhere.
Speaker 4: I don't want to act again.
Speaker 6: Yes, if the yes, yes, I will say yes. But
Speaker 6: also create.
Speaker 7: I want to be on the more creative side, directing well,
Speaker 7: if not directing, definitely except producing and create and creating
Speaker 7: me and Kathy.
Speaker 1: So are you okay?
Speaker 6: Okay, exciting things.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was going to say, what does creativity
Speaker 1: mean for you now?
Speaker 2: Like is there a season as in, like, okay, the summer,
Speaker 2: I'll do eight weeks devoted to you because I know
Speaker 2: you get a lot of offers.
Speaker 1: Can you do this? Can you do this? Can you
Speaker 1: do this?
Speaker 6: And it has to be I am still figuring it out.
Speaker 6: I need to be more creative.
Speaker 4: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I don't write as much as I used to.
Speaker 7: I think i'm project for project, which is fine, but
Speaker 7: I don't I'm not doing anything that's serving my soul.
Speaker 6: M Okay, I need to do a bit more of that,
Speaker 6: and that is my next hope. That's what I want
Speaker 6: to get into. I'm not doing anything that's serving that
Speaker 6: part daily. If that makes sense or more consistent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll look forward to it, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Whatever I was about to say, Now that you live
Speaker 2: in London, I wish you would cross paths with the
Speaker 2: this cat named Inflow, who he is the one Inflow
Speaker 2: is the only person that makes like when he comes
Speaker 2: to La Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis asked to be
Speaker 2: his interns. Like Inflow of course is the brainchild behind
Speaker 2: the group Salt.
Speaker 4: Oh they're awesome Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also like for me, one of my favorite MC's
Speaker 2: right now is London MS Little Sims.
Speaker 6: Little Sims.
Speaker 1: Right, she's just out of my mind. Of course.
Speaker 2: His wife is clear soul and everything like right now,
Speaker 2: just the epicenter of the creativity that gives me Goosebomum
Speaker 2: lives in London right now.
Speaker 1: So I agree with that. Hopefully you guys don't crosspaths
Speaker 1: you and Little Sims together, Jesus, I would love that.
Speaker 6: I saw her last year actually at the Brits on
Speaker 6: the red carpet and I was like she's so dope.
Speaker 2: How is it when people geek out on you the
Speaker 2: same way that you were geek out on little Kim
Speaker 2: or whatever?
Speaker 4: It is funny.
Speaker 6: It's really funny because what's funny out here too is
Speaker 6: like people be like, wait, you fucking live here? You
Speaker 6: know how that British?
Speaker 1: Like are they still to register that?
Speaker 3: Know?
Speaker 4: Some people?
Speaker 7: Because I keep it, I'm chill, like it's home. So
Speaker 7: like if people see me out or like where I live.
Speaker 7: I live close to like Portobellos, so like a global road.
Speaker 7: Anybody knows about London, like you know, the Rostas be
Speaker 7: or the Jamaicans bee.
Speaker 6: Like you know, it's like because they now have seen
Speaker 6: me in the neighborhood so much. Like but yeah, like
Speaker 6: it's all I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: It's been before you get off this call, somebody asked me.
Speaker 3: I have to ask you, hip hop wise, is anybody
Speaker 3: moving you these days?
Speaker 1: Then be nobody.
Speaker 6: I feel back the music I'm listening to, like the
Speaker 6: things I listen to is not hip hop.
Speaker 4: That's okay, then give it to us because I go
Speaker 4: back to.
Speaker 6: Like Kendrick, I go back to like I listened Nipsy.
Speaker 6: If I want a little hip hop rush, Like, I
Speaker 6: go listen to the other stuff.
Speaker 4: But I listened to.
Speaker 6: I listened to a lot of I'm a piano, I'm
Speaker 6: a piano afrobeats.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, I mean Ray I murdered that album.
Speaker 7: Ray is a British artist here who is so.
Speaker 6: Insane, shaking and agreeans. Okay, let me raise album.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 6: It's an ARM B you know what.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you it's an ARM and B soul.
Speaker 7: She mixed a lot together, but lyrically it's.
Speaker 6: A hip hop album. You agree with that Kathy like lyrics.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh absolutely, she came to snl uh last
Speaker 2: year and like destroyed us.
Speaker 6: So she I murdered that? And then what else am
Speaker 6: I listening to?
Speaker 7: I mean I listened to a lot of softul geo
Speaker 7: chill music meditation to keep my anxiety down.
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 2: All right, when this is over, even Kathy whatever, give
Speaker 2: me your and don't get mad like, and I promise
Speaker 2: I'll put you on the subscription list.
Speaker 1: I all right, stop with.
Speaker 5: The you gonna put it on the you're getting the
Speaker 5: coveted uh, you're getting your.
Speaker 1: I do this monthly for people, all right?
Speaker 6: I will add you like we're together. We're together.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'll put the R thread into the list.
Speaker 1: I got a little bit. Please wait, you know some
Speaker 1: way this one question I've been dying to ask you.
Speaker 2: So, what happens when you have a catalog is rich
Speaker 2: and it's varied, But somehow when history, when the smoke clears,
Speaker 2: and all the hits and all the achievements are done,
Speaker 2: what happens when someone picks the most unlikely song to
Speaker 2: define your career? For birth, Win and Fire its September
Speaker 2: for runm C. It's tricky. I was weird of all
Speaker 2: the iconic songs from run DMC. For some reason, It's
Speaker 2: true has managed to outlast everything. I believe, more than
Speaker 2: any even blow your mind or who's that? For some reason,
Speaker 2: tambourine using tambourine is refusing to go away. It's actually
Speaker 2: it's still. It is still in my playlist like I've
Speaker 2: not dropped it. I love that in my sort of default,
Speaker 2: like my twenty to thirty songs that will always be
Speaker 2: in inm I join, I love that. Thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: if I were to play the intro to Troy by
Speaker 2: Peter Rock and Seal Smooth, the place like you've hear
Speaker 2: the ones. For some reason, the screams for tambourine gets
Speaker 2: louder by the year. Is there something I don't know?
Speaker 1: Did it become a TikTok sensation?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Is there a comeback for tambourine that I don't know about?
Speaker 5: Because it's the song of Peloton, I don't know it's
Speaker 5: the Peloton song.
Speaker 6: I forgot about that. I forgot they did use it
Speaker 6: for that.
Speaker 4: About that check. Don't forget about that.
Speaker 6: No, but I was thinking, wait what I forgot?
Speaker 4: But I did indeed.
Speaker 2: Blast blessings as a person who has a Peloton ass
Speaker 2: clothes hanger.
Speaker 6: Same same.
Speaker 1: They send me a bike if you have to get
Speaker 1: on that joint.
Speaker 4: Damn not in COVID.
Speaker 1: I literally was thinking that Peloton for four years.
Speaker 5: Yo.
Speaker 1: I'm not sad on it, but every last outfit of
Speaker 1: mine just hangs over it. So it's good for that. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it's a great song, but it's.
Speaker 4: A gred bike, don't.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love Peloton. By the way, you want to
Speaker 1: free pelotime, I just don't.
Speaker 4: Want them to take it. You know, I'm just saying
Speaker 4: they pay anything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I know, but no, no, I'm just saying that for me,
Speaker 2: the fact that I get screams on that song, Like
Speaker 2: I judge if a song is working if immediately when
Speaker 2: it comes on people scream, and I feel like that
Speaker 2: song might be.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 7: It's funny about that song though, because that's when I
Speaker 7: was having kind of like issues at the label and
Speaker 7: they were just like, this song is one They said
Speaker 7: it was tupop that urban radio was never gonna like it,
Speaker 7: so they didn't put anything behind it. They didn't work
Speaker 7: it at all because they immediately were like and that
Speaker 7: song did its own thing, and Urban radio actually took
Speaker 7: it before any top forty anything and it just did
Speaker 7: its own thing.
Speaker 6: It was a record. They were like, this is never
Speaker 6: gonna this is not gonna take off. Like so that's
Speaker 6: kind of dope. I'm kind of not mad.
Speaker 4: It was because of that touch of they've been hating
Speaker 4: on DC for you.
Speaker 6: It might be actually though.
Speaker 4: For real, people don't know about the co wow.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's this is our one thing story right right
Speaker 1: right right story right? So kat?
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Kat, and we said this last time,
Speaker 2: you actually have to come on do a proper show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can unlock.
Speaker 2: Your your storytelling, But just before we go in your mind,
Speaker 2: is it like I have to elevate the story of
Speaker 2: people that might get forgotten about in.
Speaker 1: History, and.
Speaker 5: With my collaborators, right outside of the books I read
Speaker 5: on my own, I think there's a whole career, a
Speaker 5: whole body of work that is completely separate from a book.
Speaker 5: So the thing that I said to Eve was like,
Speaker 5: where do you want this to go next? Remember? And
Speaker 5: she said, I don't know. Biopic head talks like all
Speaker 5: of those things. So there's a difference between like I
Speaker 5: want this book to live on the shelf and then
Speaker 5: that becomes the book in addition to the clothing line
Speaker 5: or the fragrance line. Some a lot of celebrities, as
Speaker 5: you know, view a book as an accessory, right like
Speaker 5: Eve viewed it as an extension of who she was.
Speaker 5: So going into the project, it's with that intent to
Speaker 5: reach multiple audiences the way her music has, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, because it could be that thing. I mean,
Speaker 5: we see celebrities all the time, like by my book,
Speaker 5: by my book, and then also by my shirt, But
Speaker 5: that wasn't like really what this memoir is.
Speaker 3: Especially since it's so much history, since she's made so
Speaker 3: much history. I see the whole ted talk thing and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is a guide in a way too.
Speaker 5: But also there's more books, right, Like there's more books
Speaker 5: to come.
Speaker 4: Like now, it's like.
Speaker 5: He's a career author, so it's I think it's very different.
Speaker 1: From Yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Look at the part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, are there more stories coming
Speaker 2: from me? As far as books are concerned.
Speaker 7: I think the next thing will Yes, there are more stories,
Speaker 7: but more more along the lines of self exploration, exploration
Speaker 7: and modalities that I use to help me get to
Speaker 7: certain places.
Speaker 6: If that makes sense.
Speaker 4: It sounds like we're using songs in history. Okay, I go, okay, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to put the puzzle again.
Speaker 8: There's lots of code talk spread.
Speaker 4: For me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For once, I thank you for taking time out to
Speaker 2: speak with us. I thank you for your journey and
Speaker 2: your conversation and your growth and your book.
Speaker 1: Kathy, I thank you, And I'm serious.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's give Kathy three thousand, yes, her
Speaker 2: own episode and her flowers, so talking about it, we
Speaker 2: gotta do this, but no, on the real I'm really
Speaker 2: proud of you and I'm glad that you blessed us
Speaker 2: with your art and your gift, and I really appreciate
Speaker 2: and sad to say this like our first real extended
Speaker 2: conversation since we've known each other.
Speaker 1: It was nice to meet you, Eve, But you know what.
Speaker 7: It's okay because it's everything's meant everything as and when,
Speaker 7: and this was perfect, perfect time, and I'm grateful and thankful,
Speaker 7: so thank you.
Speaker 2: I love this version of you prioritizing your your your
Speaker 2: mental health and and and your family and and and
Speaker 2: yourself first. And you know, uh, everyone out there please
Speaker 2: uh support Eve and all of her endeavors.
Speaker 4: Who's that girl?
Speaker 1: Yes, everywhere.
Speaker 2: James James giving James anyway on behalf of Steve and
Speaker 2: James and I'm paid, Bill and Kaffy and.
Speaker 1: Layah Kat and he thank you very much this Quest Love.
Speaker 1: We will see you on the next go round, you know,
Speaker 1: see you.
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