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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to our cool kid clubhouse, Quest

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Speaker 2: Love Supreme. I'm your host, Quest Love. We're giving the

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Speaker 2: honor today to celebrate the release of a brand new memoir.

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Speaker 2: I will say that guest number one, of course, is

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Speaker 2: no stranger to the show.

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Speaker 1: If you're also a lifetime vet.

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Speaker 2: Of hashtag that site, then indeed our first guest should

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Speaker 2: be no stranger.

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Speaker 1: She's been on the show before, music historian.

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Speaker 3: I'm crying because the last time Kathy was on this

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Speaker 3: show she blessed us with Prodigy.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just having a moment the last time she

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Speaker 4: was here. Hi, Yeah you had I'm sorry. Sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I Love.

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Speaker 2: We will never ever get through an introduction without just

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Speaker 2: breaking it now for real. I will say this is

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite music historians. She's been pinning articles

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Speaker 2: and books and peace for the greater part of the

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Speaker 2: last two decades. Her books include God Save the Queen,

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Speaker 2: The Essential History of Women in Hip Hop. She's also

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Speaker 2: released a Baby Girl better is known as Aleiah and

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Speaker 2: the last piece that she came on the show with

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Speaker 2: back when our brother Prodigy was still with us. On

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Speaker 2: this Earthly Plane, the common Sary Kitchen, my infamous prison cookbook.

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Speaker 2: Not to be out done, the forthcoming Little Kim Queen

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Speaker 2: Bee memoir is also on the way, But of course

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Speaker 2: we are here today to celebrate her particular piece. Right

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Speaker 2: now with our guest, today, I will say multi platinum legendary,

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Speaker 2: Grammy Award winning singer, songwriter, mother, actress, entrepreneur, and MC

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Speaker 2: and Westville native currently in London. This is like the

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Speaker 2: reverse story of their roots. I had to run away

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Speaker 2: from London. Now you're living in London. She's blazed trails

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Speaker 2: for a greater part of the late nineties, making hip

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Speaker 2: hop history, top of the charts with countless singles and

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Speaker 2: her albums, and right now we're here to get into

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Speaker 2: her brand new memoir, Who's that Girl?

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Kathy. Okay, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to mess this up. I'm not going to mess this up.

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Speaker 4: You can do it from Philly.

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Speaker 1: Come on, do it, Ian Doley, correct.

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Speaker 5: Dalay, it's only been twenty five years, but Eve comes first.

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Speaker 1: I've never I've never called you by your last name.

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Speaker 1: The mirror is pronounced and not to be outdone, the legendary.

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Speaker 4: Their middle Night.

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Speaker 2: No, the legendary, the legendary. I don't even know if

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Speaker 2: I can say pootball and squirt. That's too older than referenced.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Eve to quest love, supremum, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. How are you guys? Doing good? Great?

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Speaker 2: I've not spoken to you since you became I mean

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Speaker 2: I've seen you on and off since you became a

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Speaker 2: London native.

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Speaker 1: But where exactly London do you live right now?

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Speaker 6: When? West London? So like near notting Hill area?

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Speaker 1: You that near?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No? Yeah, yeah? The accident all right.

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Speaker 6: I told you some words happened.

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Speaker 7: I can't help it, especially now that I have a kid,

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Speaker 7: because I say stuff for him so it's consistent.

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Speaker 6: And now it's like it's a lot more. Can't help it.

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Speaker 1: I missed that cat. How are you? How are you doing?

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Speaker 5: I'm living a dream. How are you doing the mire?

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to know how the what the genesis or

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of this putting this memoir together, because

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Speaker 2: I know that as far as I'm concerned. Like when

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Speaker 2: I was told to do a memoir, I was like

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Speaker 2: resistant because I thought memoirs and autobiographies are stories for

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Speaker 2: people that like turns, and people don't necessarily like to

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Speaker 2: start reflecting when they're still in the journey of their career.

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Speaker 2: So tell me how like this book came to be,

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 7: Say, Well, one, me and Kathy just hit it off.

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Speaker 7: We kind of were talking on a different project. And

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Speaker 7: then once we kind of got into like it was

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Speaker 7: supposed to be a thirty minute call that'sned into like

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Speaker 1: Like we can this episode, okay, and.

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Speaker 7: Then and then we kind of yeah, it was The

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Speaker 7: question was like Kathy asked me kind of like you

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Speaker 7: never thought about.

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Speaker 6: Doing a book, and I was like, yeah, I kind of.

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Speaker 7: Thought about it, and I've been asked before years before,

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Speaker 7: and I definitely I said no, like I had said no,

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Speaker 6: But those reasons you pretty much just named.

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Speaker 7: But this book, while it is a memoir, it is

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Speaker 6: It out on the page as it went through.

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Speaker 7: A lot of the things that I talk about in

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Speaker 7: the book are pivotal moments in my life of lessons

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Speaker 7: that I've learned that kind of helped me get over

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Speaker 6: But then the other thing that kind of made me.

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Speaker 7: Feel like, yo, I'm really ready to talk about certain

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Speaker 7: things was I was definitely ready to be vulnerable, even

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Speaker 7: more vulnerable things that I already mentioned in my life,

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Speaker 7: whether that was my drinking situation, my fertility situation, and

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Speaker 7: there are other things in there. But the other thing

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Speaker 7: is having a child. And as cliche as it sounds,

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Speaker 7: I feel that much more for a whole, having that

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Speaker 7: to say, like, Okay, while we're reflecting, it's also about

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Speaker 7: my future. It's also about, with lack of better term,

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Speaker 7: the next chapters of my life as well.

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Speaker 3: So did you also go through with Kathy with this

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Speaker 3: book is not about in a way.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we definitely talked about it, not being salacious, not

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Speaker 7: being like if people are named, it's not so much like,

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Speaker 7: oh yeah, it's about them them.

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Speaker 6: That everything comes back to.

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Speaker 7: What that person meant at that time in my life. Particularly.

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Speaker 6: We didn't want to make a book that was like juicy,

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Speaker 7: To be boring, but but we didn't want it to

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Speaker 6: We didn't want it to be like, oh, you just

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Speaker 6: name and names the name names. But don't you think, Kathy,

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Speaker 6: what do you think?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? But I think, like, I think the best part

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Speaker 5: about it was like, this is the first time for

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Speaker 5: me that it's collaborative writing too. So it wasn't like

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Speaker 5: me getting a bunch of information I go run away

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Speaker 5: and do something like it was. It was funny watching

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Speaker 5: like Eve right on the page with the Google dog

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Speaker 5: with me, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, are.

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Speaker 2: No, No, It's just I've had that type of battle

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Speaker 2: were like, no, just give this notes to me, or

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Speaker 1: Don't touch the Google doc. Just give us notes and

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Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about deck, Kathy, because you said this

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Speaker 3: is the first time, So why was the Eve that

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Speaker 3: you kind of trusted in that way?

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Speaker 5: Well, Eve trusted me, I mean that's the that's I

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Speaker 5: think that's more of the even more so. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 5: but I think with regard to like in collaboration with

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Speaker 5: for our future projects, you know, like you mentioned Prodigy.

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Speaker 5: Prodigy and Eve are both Scorpios and I'm a Pisces,

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Speaker 5: so that working relationship is actually like wonderful. But when

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Speaker 5: you know, with something like a memoir, because you know,

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Speaker 5: p and I didn't do a memoir. You know, there

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Speaker 5: was so much of like I didn't take for granted

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Speaker 5: the fact that like Eve was being so open, So

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Speaker 5: making sure that her hands are on the page too

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Speaker 5: is just equally important because this is her life, you know,

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Speaker 5: So being able to kind of go and go through

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Speaker 5: certain things on the page and just like be like, okay, so.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to go there? Do you not want

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Speaker 5: You can't. It can't just be me going like off

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Speaker 5: him back, you know.

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Speaker 4: Results.

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Speaker 2: So now that I understand that, probably the most important

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Speaker 2: part of storytelling is editing. Like purging is no problem,

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Speaker 2: like you know, getting everything out. But I'll say, like

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Speaker 2: in any form of creativity, be it music or books

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Speaker 5: No, I think you know, when it comes to you know,

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Speaker 5: yourself and what are you going to give to the world?

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Speaker 5: I think it was like kind of like striking that

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Speaker 5: reserving all of this for my own personal story and

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Speaker 5: the rest I'll tell. Like, I think we split the

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Speaker 5: difference a lot, right, You've like where there's like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to talk about this, but and I'm going

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Speaker 5: to process it. That's the one thing about this memoir

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Speaker 5: that I have to say is very different from so

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Speaker 5: many other memoirs that are out there, is that, like

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Speaker 5: it's a lot of Eve processing what happened, which it

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Speaker 4: So in the ending.

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, it was the good part.

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Speaker 5: We didn't have a lot of edits from the publisher

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Speaker 4: And doing our thing. Yeah, I can only imagine what

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Speaker 3: As we were getting ready for this interview, I was

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Speaker 3: just saying to Jake, I was like, you know, when

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Speaker 3: you think about Eve, it's been an interesting long twenty

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Speaker 3: years and for you personally but also professionally, Like the

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Speaker 3: chapters we were like somebody we were like fetish.

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Speaker 4: You know, we were like, oh, the talk, it's just

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Speaker 3: It had to be amazingly hard to figure out what

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Speaker 7: We definitely got to a point where it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 7: what how do we want people to read this book?

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Speaker 7: And we got to a point where we were like,

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Speaker 7: you know what, And this was Kathy's like brilliant ideas.

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Speaker 7: She was like, let's make it more like essays like

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Speaker 7: bite size, so that way you get in the juicy

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Speaker 7: kind of funk bits that enough that needs to be there,

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Speaker 7: that tells the story of if people have been on

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Speaker 7: my journey, they're like, oh, yes, I remember that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 7: And it just that's when I think it we figured

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Speaker 7: it out once once you said that, Kathy. I think

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Speaker 7: that's when it was like, Okay, this makes sense because

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Speaker 7: it definitely could have been.

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Speaker 6: A lot more.

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Speaker 7: I definitely have kept some things to myself that I

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Speaker 7: felt like I needed to keep to myself. Well, And

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Speaker 7: it's funny because I've been obviously doing interviews for it,

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Speaker 7: I feel so raw in a way that I've never

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Speaker 7: felt before ever. But having said that, I feel so

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Speaker 7: proud and confident of the book that we have done.

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Speaker 7: Like I and I called Kathy. I actually called Kathy

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Speaker 7: the day that I finished the audio. I called her

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Speaker 1: Where did you go to high school, Martin Luther King.

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Speaker 4: Oh, King's so open.

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Speaker 6: Too, on Stanton Avenue.

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Speaker 1: That was ar lean on Me School.

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Speaker 6: That was the lean on Me School. We talked about

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Speaker 4: We talked about that.

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Speaker 1: Three my boys went to the King.

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Speaker 4: So that's beautiful man, Martin Luther King alumni, bless him.

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Speaker 4: That's my all.

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Speaker 1: That's Chris was in lying Martin Luther King was brought up.

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Speaker 2: Somewhere I want to get the white elephant out the

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Speaker 4: At least, you know, like the whole converse. How already?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you know what, because this is the

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Speaker 3: Third time, beautiful probably version. She probably a beautiful version

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Speaker 1: You know what's weird?

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Speaker 2: realize how what went down between the Roots and the

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Speaker 1: This is not the Roots. The therapy that this is

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Speaker 4: I'm ready for this.

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Speaker 1: My version I only knows.

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Speaker 2: So this is what I know for things Fall apart

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Speaker 2: Songs Made Studio Sigma. There is a period that we

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Speaker 2: out of Sigma for about two weeks. Fifteen of Kindred

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Speaker 2: He granted it, so he lowed me and Scott and

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Speaker 4: This is about you got me just so they know

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Speaker 2: So thus we will record music at our studio and

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Speaker 2: then send the tapes to the studio where Tarika Malik

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Speaker 2: song that ever appeared on Things fall apart. I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: Like, hey, we made it. You know, here's the complete song.

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Speaker 2: You want the demo Because of my back and forth

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool? Let me here. Oh that's cool. Oh what's

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Speaker 2: Literally, So when we finally got to you Got Me,

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Speaker 1: Where's it?

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Speaker 2: And Rich's like, turn up track eighteen and I turned

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Speaker 2: it up and I'm like, wait, who's this. He's like Eve,

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Speaker 2: who's Eve. He's like, you know, Eve thed on for

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Speaker 2: the jam sessions. I'm one of those members of the roots.

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Speaker 2: That's sort of like, just why you look so disappointed,

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Speaker 4: Disappoint I just wanted you to get to it.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear es versions, So were about to

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Speaker 2: Right, so I'm painting the story now. So as a result, well,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I ain't saying nothing new. What you're

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Speaker 4: She's doing backgrounds okay, okay, right.

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Speaker 2: Even the morning of shooting the video, because Kilo was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I thought you guys invited her. No,

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Speaker 2: I thought you invited her, Well rich did we No,

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Speaker 2: we didn'tvite It was so we were just extremely in

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Speaker 1: That things like that always filled on the sidelines.

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Speaker 2: But I never wanted you to think it was a

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Speaker 7: No, I didn't think of it so much like that.

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Speaker 7: Everything you're saying makes complete sense.

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Speaker 6: I totally understand. I didn't think of it like that.

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Speaker 7: What I took it as is like, here is this

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Speaker 7: of took it as well, you know you you guys

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Speaker 6: Then Eric got on it. So it did feel like,

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Speaker 7: Sent to the person that I was hanging out with,

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Speaker 7: the girl who was kind of like helping me out

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Speaker 7: New York. I lived in New York at the time,

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Speaker 7: I don't know who how and it became a miscommunication.

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Speaker 7: Possibly what all that you're saying makes complete sense. But

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Speaker 4: You guy haven't got dressed for the video and they

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Speaker 6: Yes, I like yes, it felt like it was like, oh, that's.

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Speaker 4: Not we deserve a redo is it's too late.

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Speaker 1: Well let's go back.

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Speaker 7: All of that has to happen, like the story has

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Speaker 4: It was like, y'all done, you got me together.

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00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 6: We did it. It was a long time ago.

445
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 4: We did it.

446
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: We did it like three times. We did it once

447
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: at Electric Factory once I.

448
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 4: Remember for the party.

449
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we did it once, like when that

450
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: came out.

451
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 6: We've done it.

452
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 7: But it's like, you know, it's one of those things

453
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 7: because it's like it's such weirdly because I was in

454
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 7: such a holding pattern at that time.

455
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 6: In my career.

456
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 7: I was like this unknown butt signed but no budget,

457
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 7: no nothing yet.

458
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 6: But I was signed and I was working on music.

459
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 7: It was such a weird place either. I was kind

460
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 7: of in purgatory ishu for a minute as well.

461
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: So like, yeah, and it's the story Eve, because the

462
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: urban legend that I always heard was that Kilo Sanders

463
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: was the one that introduced you to that process of

464
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: that song.

465
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 4: But what how did you become the Eve? And you

466
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 4: got me? How did you?

467
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: You know?

468
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 6: What's funny?

469
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 7: I don't remember who said come through to the studio,

470
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 7: cause I used to kind of.

471
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 6: Just be around. I don't know if it was Scott

472
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 6: or was it Keith.

473
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 7: I don't really remember how it kind of happened because

474
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 7: I used to come through to the studio, so.

475
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 6: I don't know who. You know what I'm saying, like

476
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 6: it was kind of almost like oh shit. It might

477
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 6: have even been like oh shit, oh even be dope

478
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 6: on this. I don't know who how it. I don't remember.

479
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: I asked you all the question because at the time,

480
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: for y'all, I'm watching your careers as a radio personality

481
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, right, And what's interesting is for most of

482
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: us who were there, we understood that, like the first

483
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: time we really her Eve commercially was on You Got Me. However,

484
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: being a Philadelphia radio personality, it was interesting to see

485
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: your careers grow, right. So for the roots, y'all became

486
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 3: international every other city but Philly, And it was interesting

487
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: because for Eve, not only did you do all that,

488
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: but you also became like a Philadelphia hero in that. Yeah,

489
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 3: And I always wonder what that was like for y'all

490
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: going those directions.

491
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 7: Maybe because I was still so close to Philly being

492
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 7: in New York, like my career was still just kind of.

493
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 7: So I was with the Rough Riders, I was in

494
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 7: Harlem or Yunkers most of the time, So I was

495
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 7: so close to Philly for the first beginning of my

496
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 7: first probably two years of my career really, and when

497
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 7: you went.

498
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: Around I would tell people like, your mom would fill in.

499
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 3: She would be she would show up at a community

500
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: events and stuff.

501
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 6: Literally literally my mom was like always there. So like, yeah,

502
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 6: maybe that's what it was.

503
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 7: Because I didn't really go international at all, probably until

504
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 7: mid second album.

505
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 6: My goodness, Yeah, how about for.

506
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: You and me or what was that we had to

507
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: leave Philadelphia to move to London. I mean at that time,

508
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: the only example I knew of was Jimmy HENDRICKX, and

509
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: it was like he couldn't get arrested.

510
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: Well, it's not that he couldn't.

511
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: Get arrested in the United States, but I don't think

512
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: the United States was necessarily ready for a primitive exotic.

513
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: Has you been watching Age Rise, because at the time

514
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: she's got like two three radio hits, you know what

515
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: I mean and whatnot, And so that's what I just thought.

516
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 4: It was interesting in that way that.

517
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, in my mind, I was like, yeah, this is

518
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: about right.

519
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: The last part of this story was when we did

520
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: Woodstock three, X was mad as shit.

521
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: We shared a backstage.

522
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: With X and DMX the roots and whole James Brown

523
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: like Jamaariquai. Everybody's like on Woodstock three And we walk

524
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: in and you know, like the talking that you get

525
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: right before you get a wood with him from your pops,

526
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: when black men start talking with the back of their

527
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: head on on the left palm.

528
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: I got as, why y'all do even dirty like that?

529
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: No?

530
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 6: Did he for real?

531
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 8: Oh?

532
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: Dog? He read us the right act. Yo.

533
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 6: I love that so much.

534
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 4: I love that song.

535
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: I love.

536
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 6: That's the act man, Please.

537
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: Tell us a story.

538
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: He read us the right act about that, And I

539
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: was like, all right, I gotta make this right.

540
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 4: That's beautiful. Wow, And what did y'all say? What y'all say?

541
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 6: Okay?

542
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: I think at the time, I was like, well, dude,

543
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: she's like the biggest things in sliced bread.

544
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 2: Like she wasn't gonna blow up on us, Like if

545
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 2: anything we needed her then that like she got the

546
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: last word because simply because even with the jail story

547
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: and then Erica like you got me was a mess

548
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: all over the place.

549
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: There was the Erica jail thing.

550
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: There was your situation, like it was so many small

551
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: compartments that have It was almost like, yeah, we deserve

552
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: this screaming all right, let it, let's let us hear

553
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: it X. So we just took it. I mean, of

554
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: course we got Colt later, but he was mad as

555
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: shit that day. But no, dude, I've always, always, always, always.

556
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: Been been proud of her.

557
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: This is what I didn't know. So even when I'm

558
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: asking Rich who is this person? He brought up to

559
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: me that you were part of what we now know

560
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: as the Black Lily Jam sessions, that you were coming

561
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: to the jam sessions.

562
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 6: To be there all the time at a Meer's house.

563
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 6: I mean not all yeah, I mean not all the time.

564
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 7: I was there, Like I used to just be around

565
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 7: and I think it was like one of those things

566
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 7: where people knew.

567
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 6: What I did, but maybe you know, it was everybody

568
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 6: hung out you. It became one of.

569
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 7: Those things like because it just was I was just

570
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 7: an artist hanging out.

571
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 6: It wasn't you know how you know how it gets like.

572
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: But it's very Philly. Though it's not special, it was

573
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: still a special time.

574
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: The stroller broke the camel's back for me was when

575
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: ten year old Jasmine Sullivan was just hanging in the

576
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: living room. By week five, I mean you've heard the

577
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: stories a mirror call of cops on his own party.

578
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't show up like by week.

579
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 4: Five, ip a mere bad cop.

580
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was my crib.

581
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: Like the next day, no one's around to pick up

582
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: beer bottles and beatis on my rug.

583
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 6: Oh not a beaty.

584
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 8: It was the nineties, Yo, got nostalgic for Beaties. Shit emotional.

585
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: So by week five I have been protesting my own

586
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: jam sessions. And by week five, yeah, like I apparently

587
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: missed John Legend being in my crib.

588
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: I missed Bean's freeway. Chris and Nef.

589
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: Well blow was hard to miss because he I mean

590
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: he was like yodling back in nineteen ninety seven when

591
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: nobody was doing primitive yodel noises in jam sessions. But

592
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: I mean pretty much, I would say that I was

593
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: disconnected to the jam sessions in my own living room

594
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: until it moved to the five spot, of which it

595
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: was out of my house.

596
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 4: So and Eve was gone by then, and she was

597
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: Soren literally.

598
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: But what I want to know is okay, because you

599
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: got me isn't your first debut A year before you

600
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: were on the board soundtrack as Eve of Destruction. So

601
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 2: can you tell the story of how your brief journey

602
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: I gets guess with Doctor Dre first before you want

603
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: the Rough Riders.

604
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Dre was.

605
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 7: I mean, Aftermath was my first record deal and that

606
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 7: song was a demo.

607
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 6: It was one of the demo songs I did for Dre.

608
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 7: I basically met Mike Lynn like during the week, like

609
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 7: my homeboys. That was my managers at the time, drug

610
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 7: dealer slash Managers.

611
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 6: Was like, Yo, come through, Mike Linn's coming to my house.

612
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 7: But you know, I've told this to him many times,

613
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 7: but you know, pretend to be the wee girl because

614
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 7: he thought I was selling some weed.

615
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 6: And then so I was like okay. And then I

616
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 6: get to the house.

617
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 7: And we put on music immediately and I start rapping,

618
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 7: and He's like, what the fuck is going on?

619
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 6: Why is we girl rapping?

620
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 7: But then he listens and they like they quickly talked

621
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 7: to him like, yo, I know you ain't want to

622
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 7: hand nobody else, but I'm telling you need to hear her.

623
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 7: And he was like, all right, fuck it you Yeah,

624
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 7: and I start rapping and he calls Dre right there like, yo,

625
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 7: I think we found our girl. And that weekend I

626
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 7: got flown to La to demo with Melman and that

627
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 7: song even Destruction. He took it and put it on

628
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 7: the board soundtrack, which was like, how is this happening?

629
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 7: Like I was like, first demo, first professional, real demo.

630
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 7: I did demos all the time, but like, you know,

631
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 7: first one that's ships on the line, and for that

632
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 7: to be put on the soundtrack was crazy.

633
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So the one thing I'm obsessed with now that

634
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm older, Yeah, it is the amazement when artists don't

635
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: get in their own way or figure out how to

636
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: mess it up when they get an opportunity.

637
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 7: I did mess it up, though, I messed it up,

638
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 7: and so no, so this is why I'm I'm gonna

639
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 7: tell you why I'm here. Messed up and got dropped

640
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 7: and got humbled, and then I had another chance and that's.

641
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 6: How I got signed to Rough Riders.

642
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 7: So the eight months that I was in LA with Dre,

643
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 7: I was Philly feisty and was showing up to sessions

644
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 7: I wasn't supposed to be at Like when am I recording?

645
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 6: You got me all the way out and I was

646
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 6: being super.

647
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: All day, all day.

648
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 7: You got me all the way out in LA like

649
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 7: I thought I was supposed to be recorded like I

650
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 7: was super Philly, and then I got dropped because he

651
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 7: was like I can't deal with this, like what's happening?

652
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 6: So I got sick Philly. After I had a big

653
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 6: going away party, after I've been living.

654
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 7: In a condo, living my you know, had a bank account,

655
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 7: everything back in my mom's house, had to catch the

656
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 7: bus again, all of that, and at that time I

657
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 7: decided I need I wanted to drop the destruction because

658
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 7: I had to talk with myself like if I ever

659
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 7: get this opportunity again, who is it I want to

660
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 7: be as an artist? Who do I want to show

661
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 7: the world? And I was like, I just want I want.

662
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 6: To be Eve.

663
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 7: And then I got the phone call to go to

664
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 7: Yonkers and I was like, Okay, this is it, this

665
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 7: is it.

666
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: I gotta run because the moment from them that felt

667
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 4: like this was it one.

668
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 7: And it's funny because I talk about Jimmy Ivy in

669
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 7: the book, but he was the person that was like

670
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 7: and he could have dropped me.

671
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 6: I was obviously after math in a scope.

672
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 7: Jimmy could have been like, oh cool, like you dropping

673
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 7: this girl, we don't need her anymore.

674
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 6: He decided to keep me.

675
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 7: Jimmy was the one that decided to keep me and

676
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 7: was like, I think rough Riders would be a good

677
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 7: fit for you. And that's when I got the call

678
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 7: from management again, Like yo, Jimmy called and said, you

679
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 7: need to go.

680
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 6: You need to go to Yonkers to meet rough Riders.

681
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 7: Which I had already known of the rough riders, Like

682
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 7: I met X when I was signed to Dre already,

683
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 7: so I used to kind of hang out with him

684
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 7: when he would come to La Melman actually introduced me,

685
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 7: so we'd be in the same you know, at the

686
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 7: same places and whatever.

687
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 6: When X had a show, I would go, so they

688
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 6: knew me kind of.

689
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: They also are a Philly crew as well.

690
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: I always got confused with that with the bikers, like

691
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: it was a it was a whole Philly it's.

692
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 6: A whole national thing, so like, yeah, you know how

693
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 6: Philly is Philly loved. So there was a huge.

694
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 7: Rough rider like set of people in Philly for sure

695
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 7: that repped rough riders more for riding than they did

696
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 7: for music, right, Okay, so yeah, so yeah, once I

697
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,959
Speaker 7: got once I got that call and I was like, Okay,

698
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 7: we're going up here. I have to make this happen,

699
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 7: like I have to make this happen. This is this

700
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 7: is the moment, This is the moment.

701
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: Was there a song moment that when you was working

702
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: on something and you was like this shit just clicks

703
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: like it's this isn't it?

704
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 7: Like it wasn't so much that you know. With Rough

705
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 7: Riders they treated us like it. And I've said this before,

706
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 7: but they treat it was like a boot camp. So

707
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 7: when I finally got signed of Rough Riders, they would

708
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 7: have us in different rooms. Like some artists, they'd be like,

709
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 7: you same beat, we're all writing on the same beat,

710
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 7: but we.

711
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 6: Would be in separate rooms.

712
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 7: Thetel w Yeah and D or why would come and

713
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 7: be like let me hear what you got, Let me

714
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 7: hear what you got and see whosever fucking verse was hottest,

715
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 7: would get on the beat or whatever. So it was constant,

716
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 7: like you know, it was. It was where I learned

717
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 7: how to write actual, an actual song, because I'm a

718
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 7: battle rapper.

719
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 6: That's how I used it. I was bars. I was

720
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 6: sixteen twenty four bars in ciphers. That was who I was.

721
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 6: I didn't know how to make a song.

722
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 7: I didn't really I knew what a hook was, but

723
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 7: I didn't know how to do that myself.

724
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: So in those eight months, did you work with Dre

725
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: at all personally?

726
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 6: Maybe? Like once I I worked with a lot of

727
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 6: different other producers. It really didn't work with.

728
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: Everyone unders like Mike Alexandro or.

729
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly.

730
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 7: But even then within that time, at that time, at Aftermath.

731
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 6: There were no real A and rs.

732
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 7: Really, I think Dre was great at and especially because

733
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 7: you know he's a producer or artist. But I think

734
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 7: it was an and that's why when Eminem got signed

735
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 7: it was easy.

736
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 6: That was easy because Eminem came fully.

737
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 7: Formed in a way, if that makes sense, you know

738
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. I think whenever they needed to figure

739
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 7: out how to place someone or how to direct them,

740
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 7: it just didn't work out.

741
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: When you get to Rough Riders, because you've done like

742
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: your most powerful work with with Swisz's what's the working

743
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: relationship with how you and Swizz make songs together.

744
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 6: Swiss is great.

745
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 7: I always call him a bouncing ball because Swiss is

746
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 7: like energy and you just it is so infectious. So

747
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 7: we sometimes would bang out like three four songs a day,

748
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 7: like just like and some of that shit was cool,

749
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 7: some of it wasn't. Some of it was piece, you know,

750
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 7: it was little piece. Maybe it's a hook over here,

751
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 7: but he's a verse KND or maybe we take this whatever,

752
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 7: but we because we and even though Swiss was family,

753
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 7: because I always say I'm the adopted kid of the

754
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 7: rough Riders, because everybody else I are are either actual

755
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 7: blood family or like from the young from Yonkers, from

756
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 7: Harlem or whatever they know. But with me and Swiss,

757
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 7: we both had something to prove, same age, same position basically,

758
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 7: so we just clicked and energetically we just got each other.

759
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 7: And it's it's the same to this day, like you know, yeah,

760
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 7: we just get each other.

761
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 4: And to this day y'all in the studio, I know.

762
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 6: That was good. That was good.

763
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 7: No, you know, we both know what we gravitate towards,

764
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 7: like sound wise or whatever. Because well sometimes it has

765
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 7: it's been a while now, I will say, but sometimes

766
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 7: we'll send the song or send the beat, or he'll

767
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 7: send me something and.

768
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 6: Be like, oh, you know, you might like this whatever.

769
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 6: It's been a while for that.

770
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 7: But but yeah, now we just I feel like we

771
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 7: both knew we had something to prove, but we also

772
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 7: wanted the same We wanted to be like at the

773
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 7: top of the pecking order.

774
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: In a way.

775
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 7: They never played us against each other, they never put

776
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 7: us against each other, but you felt it within the

777
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 7: crew it was healthy competition and you wanted to be

778
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 7: that next one that was called to get on the

779
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 7: verse or called to make the beat. So we both

780
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 7: had that same like, Noah, we gotta make this happen.

781
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 7: Let's let's let's fucking do it.

782
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 6: Let's do it. So yeah, as.

783
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: When you figured out the hook thing, because you said

784
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: that if you didn't know how to do hooks, but

785
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: then you know, you became good at this.

786
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 6: Darn Darren. Darren helped me with that, Darrande Darren and

787
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 6: why I think just being in.

788
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 7: The studio and as we got closer to like when

789
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 7: we really figured out like Okay, when I was picked,

790
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 7: I was say, after the rough Rider's anthem and they

791
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 7: were like, your next to do the album. Then it

792
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 7: became like, all right, you need to and he already

793
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 7: was doing this anyway, like.

794
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 6: You don't how pheelly people.

795
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 7: We talked fast sometimes so he used to just be like,

796
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 7: you need to back a little bit more. Now end

797
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 7: it here, do eight bars over here? Do this over here?

798
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 7: Like so it took it.

799
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 6: You know, it was just I guess coaching really was coaching.

800
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say probably with the song on your debut

801
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: that resonated with your fan base, of course, his Love

802
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: is Blind. Can you talk about just the genesis of

803
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: how that song came to be in the process behind it?

804
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wrote that.

805
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 7: I wrote it as a poem when I was sixteen

806
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 7: because my friend at the time, she was seventeen, she

807
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 7: was dating this dude he might have been like, I

808
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 7: don't know, twenty eight thirty something. He used to keep

809
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 7: her in an apartment like all that kind of stuff.

810
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 7: He used to beat her and he was married like

811
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 7: all of that. And sometimes she would come to my house.

812
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 7: She have a black eye, or she has like some

813
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 7: bruises on or whatever. And then she got pregnant for him,

814
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 7: had his baby. He wasn't there.

815
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 8: I was.

816
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 7: I held the baby first. I was there while she

817
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 7: got the epidural. I'm sixteen, she's seventeen. Like I wrote,

818
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 7: the first two verses of love is Blind is the

819
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 7: is the poem, and then when we when I decided

820
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 7: to turn it into a song, I just added that

821
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 7: third verse for obviously dramatics.

822
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 6: Because obviously didn't kill anybody.

823
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 7: But then when that beat in the hook, I just

824
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 7: wanted to keep it super simple, like love is blind

825
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 7: and it'll take go.

826
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 6: Like it's so simple.

827
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 7: But it really was how I felt like she really

828
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 7: did love this dude, like we were so young, Like.

829
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: Eve has always been forth right.

830
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 3: Because I just saw a clip of y'all from Forever Ago,

831
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: if you Andrea that was her name, and her on

832
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: stage and y'all talking about that. Do y'all keep in

833
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: communication at all?

834
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 6: Or oh, I haven't spoken to her in years.

835
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 7: We kept in touch for a while, like once I

836
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 7: kind of got into the industry, and then even once

837
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 7: I was on the road, she moved in with my mom,

838
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 7: she with her kid, like you know, she we tried too.

839
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 6: And then things just fell apart. Sadly, I feel like

840
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 6: life be life. And also it was one of those

841
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 6: things too when I talk about this in the book.

842
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 7: That I tried to take all of my friends on

843
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 7: tour because I felt like I didn't want them to

844
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 7: think that I was changing, And God I'd recommend not doing.

845
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 4: That to get them jobs.

846
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: They got to.

847
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 7: I gave them jobs, but they didn't do them they

848
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 7: I gave them. I remember about this in the book

849
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 7: as well. I for my friends they who had the baby, Andrea,

850
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 7: I gave her a bit more because she as a kid.

851
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 7: And then but she told one of the other people

852
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 7: and then they was like, well why sheet like it

853
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 7: just became a thing. Yeah, I don't recommend doing that.

854
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about this, but it feels like rough

855
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: Riders was a nice comforting place. But you have always

856
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: been the woman in a male place. And I know

857
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 3: you talk about this in the in the book a lot,

858
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 3: but can you talk about like protection in that way

859
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: or armor? Like were you protected or did you have

860
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: heavy armor on yourself? Can you were there's situations when

861
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: you couldn't use either one. I mean, you know, can

862
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: you just talk about it.

863
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 6: I definitely was protected.

864
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 7: I feel so lucky, thankful, grateful that I was in

865
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 7: the crew that I was in because they protected me,

866
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 7: respected me, and celebrated me for sure. So I think

867
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 7: I was lucky in that way. But outside of that,

868
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 7: I'm just trying to figure my life out, Like I'm this.

869
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 7: You know, I'm young, I got money. Now I'm famous

870
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 7: like I want to be. But don't nobody tell you

871
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 7: about fame. I'm drinking, I'm smoking weed. I'm trying to

872
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 7: keep up with my friends. I gotta perform. I gotta

873
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 7: make decisions that like it was so much at one time,

874
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 7: and it happened so fat, everything happened so fast, and

875
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 7: then you're exhausted, like I was exhausted in a way

876
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 7: that I never even knew what that was.

877
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 6: Like, I don't so I think in a lot of ways,

878
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 6: the armor that I.

879
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 7: Did have for myself personally just got broken down and

880
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 7: chipped away.

881
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 6: You know, I had a breakdown. I had to quit

882
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 6: my first.

883
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 7: Tour, right you know, I had a lot of stuff

884
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 7: that went on, and it took me a long time

885
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 7: to come back to a sanity and a happiness, which

886
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 7: is what I prayed for when I have my breakdown,

887
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 7: Like I was like, I don't give a fuck about fame.

888
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 7: If I can get my sanity and my happiness back,

889
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 7: I can do anything.

890
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Because I.

891
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: Hope y'all make clear in this book that Eve was

892
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: a first and a lot, so therefore she didn't have

893
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: a lot of peers that could be like.

894
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 4: Hey do this. I mean you were the first.

895
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: I felt like you were the first female even see

896
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: to have a successful clothing line, the first to have

897
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: a TV show, like all these first So now it's

898
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: easier for everybody else because Eve kind of opening door.

899
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: Was there ever a network with your peers at the.

900
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: Time, Like, were you ever close to Kim or Fox

901
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: or Lauren where you just talk about things or were

902
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: you kind of in this thing isolated? Is commonality of

903
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: just being a woman enough to form a bond or.

904
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 6: That's a good question.

905
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 7: I when I got signed, I thought it was this

906
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 7: big sisterhood, so like I was such a nerd. I

907
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 7: used to run up to everybody and be like, girls,

908
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 7: how much girl?

909
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 5: A girl?

910
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 7: I want you to get on the hot girl like and

911
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 7: they would be looking at me like this fucking nerd,

912
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 7: Like who the fuck.

913
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 6: The fuck is this?

914
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 7: Like we talked about this, Kathy. The first time I

915
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 7: met Kim, I was like, grow me and my friends

916
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 7: who just smoking to you all the time, And I

917
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 7: had you beg like a girl and she.

918
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 6: Was just like wow, like it was a lie.

919
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 7: It was overwhelming, Like and I learned it took me

920
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 7: a minute to learn, like, oh, it's really not like that.

921
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 6: There's not a sisterhood here. And I do think a

922
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 6: lot of it was people, the industry, crews, whatever, was

923
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 6: pitting each other against each other because why can't we

924
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 6: get along, Why can't we hang out?

925
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 7: Why it's only us little minority we should be hanging out.

926
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 7: That's not to say, Listen, I love Missy, I love Trina.

927
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 7: They immediately they are have always been. You know, my

928
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 7: people always have been.

929
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 6: Kim.

930
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 7: I loved we had a situation. I love her to death,

931
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 7: not like but it was more of a misunderstanding. It

932
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 7: wasn't even color us, you know what I'm saying. So

933
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 7: I think sometimes there's this time.

934
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 3: They don't want y'all to compare paychecks and things like that.

935
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: That too, and budgets and things.

936
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't know, Kathy, you can speak to

937
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 7: this too, But I just feel like, you know, it's

938
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 7: it's sad.

939
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 6: Why why can't we hang out?

940
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: Shit?

941
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: What you say, Pathy, you did the research.

942
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 5: I mean, it's the first lady trop right, So it's

943
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 5: like this idea that like, mentally it's always like I'm

944
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 5: the first lady of this crew. So I mean because

945
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 5: that media coach all the new girls and I see

946
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 5: that they don't have a crew where they're singled out

947
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 5: and they're.

948
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 4: All hanging out now they are.

949
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.

950
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting to see.

951
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 4: It's interesting. I like to see. I see Megan with

952
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 4: Glow and I'm like, oh, I love it. You know,

953
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: it's beautiful. I just yeah.

954
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: But it's also it had it was an evolution because

955
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: also it was a time when they felt like female

956
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: MC needed a male crew, and so these girls have

957
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 3: to know.

958
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 7: That it's true that it did. It was the co sign,

959
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 7: it was the co sign back in the day.

960
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 6: It's true.

961
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now, how.

962
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: Did you feel about Let There Be Eve? Breaking the

963
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: barriers that it did? It not only broke barriers just

964
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: for women in hip hop, but just hip hop in general.

965
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: Like a number one album is number one album, no

966
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: matter how you slicense a victory for you know, the

967
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: art form itself. But going into making Scorpion, what was

968
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: your mental state at least as far as your creative process,

969
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: the feeling of pressure and keeping that momentum going.

970
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely definitely felt the pressure. I definitely felt

971
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 7: that people were like, can she do it again. Can

972
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 7: it Is it gonna be as good like that sophomore

973
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 7: curse or whatever? That is something I definitely thought about.

974
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 7: But that being said, I definitely felt like I wanted to,

975
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 7: I don't know, expand a little bit more, maybe do

976
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 7: something slightly different. I always feel like it was weird

977
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 7: because I didn't have the same I always feel like

978
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 7: my first album is the album I wrote. I've been

979
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 7: writing that my whole life, and then you get in

980
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 7: the business and they're like you need to hurry up

981
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 7: and put out another album. You're like, shit, I got

982
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 7: two months, but I've been working on this one piece

983
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 7: of thing forever, you know what I mean, Like I've

984
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 7: been waiting to show the world.

985
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 6: There's one thing.

986
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 7: The only cohesiveness I really had about the second album,

987
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 7: like Scorpion, was like I want everything to be read,

988
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 7: I want red hair like that was the only kind

989
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 7: of things I could kind of control and think about.

990
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 7: And the song kind of just did you know. It

991
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 7: was the first time I really traveled.

992
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 6: We did it. We did the whole album in Miami.

993
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 7: The whole crew came down, so it was kind of

994
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 7: just being in the studio to see what what would strike,

995
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 7: what would happen, and then I had to fly to

996
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 7: La with Dre do Blow your Mind, which was great.

997
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: With Scott Storch, was that the last song you worked.

998
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 7: On wasn't the last, but probably close to last. I

999
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 7: don't know if it was the last last, but it

1000
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 7: was probably close.

1001
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 4: To last for y'all. I loved that for y'all.

1002
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: How y'all intermingled like that, Like I just the Scott

1003
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: moment just came me, like, oh yeah, Scott, Scott roots Sorry.

1004
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 4: I was like, that's do.

1005
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: But also yeah, I always find the bigger songs that

1006
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: the last ones down the line. There's one song in

1007
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: particular always wanted to know about. You have Tina Marie

1008
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: on your album. She did Life is so Hard, I think.

1009
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 7: On my album Wow, I just was like that would

1010
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 7: be It was a dream come true to me because

1011
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 7: I like me and my friends used to listen to her.

1012
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 6: You know who didn't. But I feel like Philly loved

1013
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 6: Tina Marie. I don't know, like I.

1014
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 7: Guess everywhere I did, but I feel like she was

1015
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 7: a part of my music growing up as well, and

1016
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 7: I had to have.

1017
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 6: Her on that album. I didn't get a chance to

1018
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 6: work with her though we talked. I think we talked

1019
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 6: on the phone or something.

1020
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 7: He didn't her studio because it was signed to.

1021
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: Cash Money at the time.

1022
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: That's right, that was the last thing.

1023
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 6: But yeah, I just was so like thankful, grateful legend.

1024
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, most people in the hip hop realm will

1025
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: start to pivot maybe ten years after their career starts,

1026
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: but you pretty much started pivoting really by album one

1027
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: by album too.

1028
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: You know, you.

1029
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: Were already doing acting and sort of expanding, doing shows

1030
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: and whatnot. Can you just talk about in general the

1031
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 2: feeling of I guess when the world is your oyster.

1032
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: And I'm asking this in terms of I'm kind of

1033
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: studying people who get these opportunities and again self sabotages,

1034
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: kind of an obsession of mind and watching other artists operate,

1035
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: but getting these opportunities, you know, doing the barbershop series

1036
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: or getting your own sitcom like at this time, is just.

1037
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 3: Acting a mirror she did. I don't remember her acting

1038
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: before she had her own show, like Don't.

1039
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: Do You No? Were you in the woods I don't

1040
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: know when The Woodsman came, but.

1041
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 6: The Woodsman was aft of the show I believe.

1042
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I.

1043
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 5: Should know these things, but I'm pretty sure seeding treble

1044
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 5: X and Barbershop at the same time.

1045
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 6: Maybe during the same time.

1046
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: As as the Eve Show two thousand and six, Yes, yes,

1047
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 5: and and s.

1048
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 7: I guess yeah, but Barbershop, I feel like it was

1049
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 7: wasn't that after No, it wasn't.

1050
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 4: It wasn't after Eve. It was the same time.

1051
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it wasn't.

1052
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 7: So yeah, I guess it's all co mingles. I will

1053
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 7: say that that was Troy Carter's.

1054
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 4: Thank you for saying his name.

1055
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I knew, you know, I've known Troy's It was

1056
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 7: like fifteen and then he became my manager. Mark Byers

1057
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 7: was my manager first, and then Troy his.

1058
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: Name Lord Jesus and Troy.

1059
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 7: You know, Troy came from the Overbrook will Smith camp.

1060
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 7: That for him, that blueprint was very easy of like music,

1061
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 7: we're going to act if you want longevity. So I

1062
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 7: was kind of like, okay, cool. I was kind of

1063
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 7: just like, let me see how it goes. And at

1064
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 7: first I was actually opposed to acting because I was like,

1065
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 7: I make music, I don't really want to acting.

1066
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: I was going to say, most people will figure out

1067
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: a billion excuses to not do it. Yeah, going down

1068
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: to San Francisco Hill with no breaks like.

1069
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 7: I did try and you know what happened. This is

1070
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 7: why Troy was good. He was like, look, why don't

1071
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 7: you meet with an acting coach. If you hate the process,

1072
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 7: I will never bring it up again. And my acting

1073
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 7: coach was Tracy Moore Marrable, who is amazing and at

1074
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 7: the time, yeah, she had been working with pretty much

1075
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 7: every rapper that was about to that was starting to act.

1076
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 7: She was like, it was like she was doing bust

1077
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 7: the Ludicris like everybody. And I met her and she

1078
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 7: literally said to me because I was like, well, I

1079
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 7: don't know if it's for me, blah blahlah, and she

1080
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 7: was like, you know, every time you do a video

1081
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 7: yet basically acting, and I was like dune.

1082
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 6: And I was like.

1083
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 7: And that just like opened my my whole brain up

1084
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 7: to accepting, like, all right, well let me try, you know,

1085
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 7: and I am very much that person though in my

1086
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 7: personality I am a very much like let me see,

1087
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 7: let me just see, I am that person. So she

1088
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 7: opened that part up.

1089
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: What was the first the Barbershop Triple X.

1090
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 7: So Barbershop was the first official role I got that

1091
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 7: I read for Triple X came by mistake because the

1092
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 7: rapper that was supposed to do it, and I believe

1093
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 7: it was Ludacrous. I think he got sick of something

1094
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 7: and I happened to be in La at that time

1095
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 7: and we got a call. Troy got a call like,

1096
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 7: but she want to come do this movie like and

1097
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, well fuck it.

1098
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 6: So that was first movie, but official role was Barbershop Terry.

1099
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: I love how everything happened for a reason because Luda

1100
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: wasn'tupposed to be in that movie with him.

1101
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 4: He was supposed to Ben Diesel. He's supposed to being

1102
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 4: fast and furious.

1103
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it was Luda. I'm pretty sure it

1104
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 6: was Luda. Pretty sure. Do we say that in the book?

1105
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 6: I can't remember. I don't know if we said I

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00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 6: say his name. I don't think I see his name,

1107
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 6: but I'm pretty sure it was him. I'm pretty sure.

1108
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 6: I'm not one hundred percent, but yeah maybe.

1109
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: By the way, I just want to also mention for

1110
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: the people listening, like the beautiful parallel of you and

1111
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: Tory Carter's career and how we wouldn't have not only

1112
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: just you, but a person named Lady gat Gay.

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Speaker 7: Like we don't speak often. We had a moment where

1114
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 7: we when we kind.

1115
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 6: Of split ways.

1116
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 7: That was probably one of my hardest relationship breakups because.

1117
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 6: We have been together for a long time and he

1118
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 6: did a lot for me.

1119
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,479
Speaker 7: Both we every birth because we're both scorpios as well,

1120
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Speaker 7: so we do happy birthdays every year to each other.

1121
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 6: And when I see you know, I've run into him

1122
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 6: over the years and it's all love always.

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Speaker 4: He's amazing our black Bill Gates of such.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what would you say is the most important lesson

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00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: that you've learned? And not meaning like, if you could

1126
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: do something over again, would you or are you fine

1127
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: with the journey that you're on right now, this very.

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00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: Path that you've taken, if you could go back in time.

1129
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: What's the one bit of advice that you wish you

1130
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: could dole to your young adult self.

1131
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 7: Probably to truly, truly, truly trust your gut. I got

1132
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 7: to a point there was a few years in my

1133
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 7: like where I just did not trust myself or trust

1134
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 7: any of the decisions that I was making. For some reason,

1135
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 7: I just didn't trust my gut. I couldn't feel my gut.

1136
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 7: And I think it had a lot to do with

1137
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 7: my anxiety and I was drinking, so yeah, a lot

1138
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 7: of that. I definitely would not have numbed myself as

1139
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 7: much as I tried to numb myself.

1140
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 6: That probably would be the biggest thing.

1141
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 7: But there's so many, you know, as artists, and when

1142
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 7: you just you feel so much, you see so much,

1143
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 7: and I think that I was just trying, I don't know,

1144
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 7: to try to stay grounded.

1145
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 6: But all that shit is learning as well, you know

1146
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

1147
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: I mean now we kind of live in an era

1148
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: in which artists are really transparent about their mental health

1149
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: recovery and actively participating in be it therapy or life

1150
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: coaching or that sort of thing at times, Like, did

1151
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: you ever like actively go to therapy or that sort

1152
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: of thing too?

1153
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 7: I did. I love healing, like healing work, so whether

1154
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 7: that's like crystals or meditation or literally seeing a healer,

1155
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 7: a shaman and things like that, I'm into all that

1156
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 7: kind of stuff.

1157
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 6: Talk therapy. I did try.

1158
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 7: I wasn't good at it because I didn't feel like

1159
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 7: telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth, because

1160
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 7: I wasn't in touch with those feelings right and want

1161
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 7: to really feel those feelings. So talk therapy mean shit

1162
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 7: when you're not really showing up.

1163
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 1: So when did you allow yourself to be vulnerable only

1164
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: when I.

1165
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 7: Was really drinking or if I was like taking Mollie

1166
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 7: and then I'd be.

1167
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 6: Like on the world.

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00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 7: And then let me tell you how I got to

1169
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 7: because I also was one of those people who never cried.

1170
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 6: I didn't cry.

1171
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 7: I didn't then I'm serious, I didn't cry.

1172
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 6: Really, I'm in one of my besties, E Lefty.

1173
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 7: Shout out to E Lefty was I remember one time

1174
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 7: she got big boots one day she.

1175
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 6: Was like, girl, please you need a hug.

1176
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 7: Please put your head, you need you need a hand

1177
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 7: in your hand on my bosom. And it's okay, a hug.

1178
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 7: She's like, it's okay, you're my friend. Like we can

1179
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 7: hug it. Like I just didn't grow up in a

1180
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 7: family of touchy lovey so it took me years. But

1181
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 7: even you know, and I talk about this in the book,

1182
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 7: I also grew up in a family that I didn't

1183
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 7: really know how to communicate, going back to communication, whether

1184
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 7: it was good or bad.

1185
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 6: So he didn't say I love you.

1186
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 7: You kind of knew it, but we also really didn't

1187
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 7: scream or argue it kind of was just quiet or

1188
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 7: crazy in the house.

1189
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Speaker 8: Do you find yourself counteracting that with your own child,

1190
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 8: as in, like if you grew up in a colder family,

1191
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 8: do you find yourself.

1192
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 7: Being over Oh I am the smotheriest mother of like

1193
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 7: he's too half and he's already like mama.

1194
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 4: That's very important to Bill's point too.

1195
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Speaker 3: I was wondering how you incorporate all of this history

1196
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 3: and stuff into this new life that you live in

1197
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: a whole nother country. Like I'm thinking, do your step

1198
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 3: kids even understand the legacy of who you are? And

1199
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Speaker 3: then the philliness, like how because I know even with

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00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: your son, like how do.

1201
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 8: You still that phi British? Really impressive just to sen

1202
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 8: to you talk like all of a sudden we're in

1203
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 8: I know, I have a lot.

1204
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 7: It's funny because my son he definitely has a twain

1205
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 7: on top of like British words.

1206
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 6: He definitely says.

1207
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 7: Stuff and a twang that is like that's definitely philly.

1208
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 6: H But you know, having kids, I will say, is

1209
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 6: huge for me.

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Speaker 7: Because even though again I didn't grow up in a

1211
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 7: house that I said I love you or we argued

1212
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 7: when it did blow up, there was screaming. I don't

1213
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 7: want to be a screaming mom, but I want to

1214
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 7: be a tough mom because I'm not into that, you know, soft.

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Speaker 6: It's just not I know, it's not gonna help with

1216
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 6: my kid.

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01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 7: Is that being a best friend?

1218
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 6: You know? So I'm trying to figure that out. I'm

1219
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 6: trying to figure out how to.

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Speaker 3: Oh there's a nice medal in there, Like, I mean,

1221
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Speaker 3: I'm scared of my mother, but she my best friend.

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Speaker 7: You know, And so I'm trying I want that because

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01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 7: the other thing was I was so terrified of my

1224
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 7: mom I wouldn't come tell her anything.

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Speaker 6: So I don't want that either. It's a it's a

1226
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 6: constant thing.

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01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 7: I talk about this now in therapy of how I

1228
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 7: want to be and how I want to be for him.

1229
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 6: And you know, Philly is always here, like you could

1230
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 6: take our handy, but you can't take the I mean, yeah.

1231
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Speaker 4: I was like, does he here it is? I need

1232
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 4: him to hear it.

1233
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 6: Sometime.

1234
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 7: We don't play that game at Tall. We're not having it.

1235
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 7: We're not having it. And I'm still scared of my mom.

1236
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 7: I'm forty five Dolay games.

1237
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't play no game your mama.

1238
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 4: Tall so I was scared of her too.

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. She five nine.

1240
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: Okay, what I really admire about your journey is you

1241
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: allowing loving in a way, because I think it's major

1242
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: if you leave your home base to start all over

1243
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: again far away from which you came. And probably one

1244
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: of my biggest faults is a lot of decisions I

1245
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: make are based on.

1246
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: Other people.

1247
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 2: In other words, like I would like to move that

1248
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: D D D D, but now I can't because I

1249
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: got to be here with da da da da, I

1250
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 2: got to be in proximity of It's almost like I

1251
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: put myself eighth or nine life on the list.

1252
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: How easy or hard was it to really make this

1253
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: decision where you're.

1254
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: Walking away actively recording, walking away from uh, from the talk,

1255
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 2: from acting all those things to find love, to put

1256
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: your family first, to that sort of thing and put

1257
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: your family first. Like I really want to ask you,

1258
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: what is that like?

1259
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 4: Because it took me.

1260
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Speaker 7: A long time to respect my feelings, to respect the

1261
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 7: things that I really want that actually bring me actual

1262
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 7: happiness without feeling guilty, because we can make ourselves feel

1263
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 7: so fucking guilty about things. And I would say being

1264
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 7: in the industry breathe that fucking guilt as well, because

1265
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 7: sometimes you have a manager or an agent or somebody

1266
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 7: that's like, you can't say no to this opportunity, Yo,

1267
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 7: if you don't do this right here, then we're gonna

1268
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 7: fuck up this over here and then this like and

1269
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 7: I think, you know, once I kind of drop myself

1270
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 7: through and understanding what my anxiety was.

1271
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 6: Why is this anxiety? Why am I trying to number myself?

1272
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 7: Why am I so I got all this shit going on,

1273
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 7: but I'm still not very happy. I feel lonely, I'm

1274
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 7: Why am I drinking so much?

1275
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 6: Why am I? All those questions kind of came down to, like,

1276
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 6: what is it that you want?

1277
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 4: What do you want? What is it that you want?

1278
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 7: That shit's hard, It's still hard. It's hard, and now

1279
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 7: that I have a kid, it's even harder to be away.

1280
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 7: I wish my mom was around the corner. That shit

1281
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 7: is hard.

1282
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1283
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 6: I never thought about it before then.

1284
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 7: Because I was so okay with being like, all right,

1285
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 7: I'm out, I'm fucking it, I'm out. When it comes

1286
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 7: to being at home the Philly, I will say, when

1287
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 7: it comes to business opportunity, yeah, that definitely took a

1288
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 7: little bit longer, but like walking away from the talk,

1289
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 7: for instance, was the major decision for that was we

1290
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 7: had we were in the midst of that, the whole pandemic.

1291
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 7: But then I was getting older and I was like,

1292
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 7: I want a kid and I can't have we I mean,

1293
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 7: it's just impossible to try to have a kid when

1294
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 7: I'm in la most of the time and he's in

1295
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 7: London most of the time, and I'm only flying in

1296
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 7: two weeks out of the freaking you know, every two weeks.

1297
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Speaker 6: So that made that decision.

1298
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 7: While it was hard, because I actually really enjoyed it

1299
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 7: was such a crazy thing to say, Like I talk

1300
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 7: about this in the book, I appreciated that opportunity.

1301
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 6: I needed that opportunity, but it did it served the

1302
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 6: purpose that.

1303
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 4: Is, your voice was needed, like as a person who.

1304
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 6: Watched like and it also helped me, like it was

1305
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 6: the first time that I was I was.

1306
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 7: Vocally vulnerable, if you were pay into vulnerability, because I

1307
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 7: can't sit at the same poet not really talk about

1308
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 7: myself and talk about things that are going on.

1309
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 6: So I do think it helped me in a lot

1310
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 6: of ways and with issues I had with myself, with Queens.

1311
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 7: Queens was when I watched it back, it was such

1312
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 7: a great It is such a great show, but it

1313
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 7: was such a hard shoot, and it was the first

1314
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 7: time that I had had I talk about anxiety, like

1315
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 7: I was at anxiety master level, Like and I was pregnant,

1316
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 7: and I was like, you know, here is I going

1317
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 7: through all this fertility stuff And I'm like, here is

1318
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 7: I'm now working my ass off. Am I gonna mess

1319
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 7: the situation up? Am I gonna mess the baby? I

1320
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 7: was always at the doctor. I was like, it was

1321
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 7: so many things going on that I was just like,

1322
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 7: I don't want to have this kid and be on

1323
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 7: a set for sixteen hours.

1324
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 6: I'm an older mom, Like, I don't want to miss

1325
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 6: that shit. I just don't.

1326
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 7: So now my driving force of all things are like

1327
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 7: can I bring him with me if it's gonna be

1328
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 7: a while or if I'm only if I'm away it's two.

1329
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 6: Or three days, Like I don't play when it comes

1330
01:05:59,720 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 6: to that.

1331
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 3: There was a community of women who watched you and

1332
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 3: Queen and knew what you were kind of going through.

1333
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 4: And saw you leave.

1334
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 3: That was like she felt it like she is of

1335
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 3: a certain age, she is making a fucking decision and

1336
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 3: she's picking her joy and we're that's fine.

1337
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 4: You felt it.

1338
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 6: I had to and I had to put it and

1339
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 6: it's hard. But fuck me, man, when am I gonna

1340
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 6: do it? If I ain't gonna do.

1341
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 4: Admire you because you did it like you did it.

1342
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: For your professional career.

1343
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 2: What were like three pinch me moments like oh shit,

1344
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: this is actually happening like for you. I don't know

1345
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 2: if it's meeting someone or or yeah nah.

1346
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 7: One is Prince period first point? Like one, I mean,

1347
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 7: it's it's like one number one. But an umbrella of

1348
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 7: Prince being that he knew who I was, that I

1349
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 7: got to have conversations with him, that I got to

1350
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 7: be on stage with him and perform with him, that

1351
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 7: I got to see him so Prince.

1352
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 6: The Grammy, of course for my mom to see, because

1353
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 6: that was.

1354
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 7: A big deal for me, that my mom got to

1355
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 7: see that I'm gonna be all right because I was

1356
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 7: like great in school.

1357
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 6: And none of yeah, three, I don't know, you know.

1358
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: Three.

1359
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 7: It's hard to just pick a few because I do

1360
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 7: feel that I've been so I am so grateful and

1361
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 7: so I won't say so I love I like the

1362
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,959
Speaker 7: word lucky, but I don't like that word lucky, because

1363
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 7: I do believe.

1364
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 6: Lucky's a good.

1365
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 4: Word is blessed.

1366
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 6: It's like a nice Yes, I've been super blessed career.

1367
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 7: How I mean ship, I'm on a single right now

1368
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 7: with sha Ka Khan and see it and it's called

1369
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 7: so like I'm you'll having moments like when the fuck

1370
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 7: would I ever think that I'd be on a song

1371
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 7: with kun like I mean now, if I get to

1372
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 7: meet her and do the song in person, as I'm

1373
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 7: putting this in the universe, even just to meet her,

1374
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 7: I don't even care. I just want to sit and

1375
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 7: talk to her. I've met her before, but I'm not

1376
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 7: like sat and spoke spoken with her.

1377
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 2: So that would be you and her, damn near the

1378
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: same person and on the same journey and the same

1379
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: I absolutely encourage it. Yes, she's been on the show, Yes,

1380
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: meditating her Crystal room right now.

1381
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: I bet I.

1382
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 6: Remember I said, Kathy like bro she came up on

1383
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 6: my f y p like and meditate.

1384
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 4: I didn't know she was on her meditation John that

1385
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 4: that's good for her.

1386
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 6: Yes, And it was a beautiful like was it a

1387
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 6: new moon?

1388
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1389
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was the Lion was the.

1390
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: Lion, the Lion's Gate one of them three weeks ago, right, Yes, yeah,

1391
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: I saw it.

1392
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 6: Because me and Kathy loved the woo woo, so we

1393
01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 6: were very excited about that.

1394
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: It was a she gave I mean, she gave me

1395
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 2: Crystal and I it's somewhere, it's somewhere.

1396
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 4: I don't want to act again.

1397
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 6: Yes, if the yes, yes, I will say yes. But

1398
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 6: also create.

1399
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 7: I want to be on the more creative side, directing well,

1400
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 7: if not directing, definitely except producing and create and creating

1401
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 7: me and Kathy.

1402
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: So are you okay?

1403
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 6: Okay, exciting things.

1404
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was going to say, what does creativity

1405
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: mean for you now?

1406
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 2: Like is there a season as in, like, okay, the summer,

1407
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 2: I'll do eight weeks devoted to you because I know

1408
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: you get a lot of offers.

1409
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: Can you do this? Can you do this? Can you

1410
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: do this?

1411
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 6: And it has to be I am still figuring it out.

1412
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,480
Speaker 6: I need to be more creative.

1413
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1414
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 6: I don't write as much as I used to.

1415
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 7: I think i'm project for project, which is fine, but

1416
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 7: I don't I'm not doing anything that's serving my soul.

1417
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 6: M Okay, I need to do a bit more of that,

1418
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 6: and that is my next hope. That's what I want

1419
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 6: to get into. I'm not doing anything that's serving that

1420
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 6: part daily. If that makes sense or more consistent.

1421
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll look forward to it, whatever it is.

1422
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: Whatever I was about to say, Now that you live

1423
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: in London, I wish you would cross paths with the

1424
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 2: this cat named Inflow, who he is the one Inflow

1425
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: is the only person that makes like when he comes

1426
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: to La Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis asked to be

1427
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 2: his interns. Like Inflow of course is the brainchild behind

1428
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 2: the group Salt.

1429
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 4: Oh they're awesome Jesus.

1430
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1431
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: But also like for me, one of my favorite MC's

1432
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: right now is London MS Little Sims.

1433
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 6: Little Sims.

1434
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: Right, she's just out of my mind. Of course.

1435
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: His wife is clear soul and everything like right now,

1436
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,839
Speaker 2: just the epicenter of the creativity that gives me Goosebomum

1437
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: lives in London right now.

1438
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:18,480
Speaker 1: So I agree with that. Hopefully you guys don't crosspaths

1439
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 1: you and Little Sims together, Jesus, I would love that.

1440
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 6: I saw her last year actually at the Brits on

1441
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 6: the red carpet and I was like she's so dope.

1442
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: How is it when people geek out on you the

1443
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 2: same way that you were geek out on little Kim

1444
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: or whatever?

1445
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 4: It is funny.

1446
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 6: It's really funny because what's funny out here too is

1447
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 6: like people be like, wait, you fucking live here? You

1448
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 6: know how that British?

1449
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: Like are they still to register that?

1450
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 3: Know?

1451
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 4: Some people?

1452
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 7: Because I keep it, I'm chill, like it's home. So

1453
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 7: like if people see me out or like where I live.

1454
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 7: I live close to like Portobellos, so like a global road.

1455
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 7: Anybody knows about London, like you know, the Rostas be

1456
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 7: or the Jamaicans bee.

1457
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 6: Like you know, it's like because they now have seen

1458
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 6: me in the neighborhood so much. Like but yeah, like

1459
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 6: it's all I love it. I love it.

1460
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 3: It's been before you get off this call, somebody asked me.

1461
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 3: I have to ask you, hip hop wise, is anybody

1462
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 3: moving you these days?

1463
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: Then be nobody.

1464
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 6: I feel back the music I'm listening to, like the

1465
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 6: things I listen to is not hip hop.

1466
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 4: That's okay, then give it to us because I go

1467
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 4: back to.

1468
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 6: Like Kendrick, I go back to like I listened Nipsy.

1469
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 6: If I want a little hip hop rush, Like, I

1470
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 6: go listen to the other stuff.

1471
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 4: But I listened to.

1472
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 6: I listened to a lot of I'm a piano, I'm

1473
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 6: a piano afrobeats.

1474
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 7: Oh my god, I mean Ray I murdered that album.

1475
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 7: Ray is a British artist here who is so.

1476
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 6: Insane, shaking and agreeans. Okay, let me raise album.

1477
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: All right.

1478
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 6: It's an ARM B you know what.

1479
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: I love it.

1480
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell you it's an ARM and B soul.

1481
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 7: She mixed a lot together, but lyrically it's.

1482
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 6: A hip hop album. You agree with that Kathy like lyrics.

1483
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 2: It's like, oh absolutely, she came to snl uh last

1484
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 2: year and like destroyed us.

1485
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 6: So she I murdered that? And then what else am

1486
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 6: I listening to?

1487
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 7: I mean I listened to a lot of softul geo

1488
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 7: chill music meditation to keep my anxiety down.

1489
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 3: You know what?

1490
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 2: All right, when this is over, even Kathy whatever, give

1491
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: me your and don't get mad like, and I promise

1492
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: I'll put you on the subscription list.

1493
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: I all right, stop with.

1494
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 5: The you gonna put it on the you're getting the

1495
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 5: coveted uh, you're getting your.

1496
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: I do this monthly for people, all right?

1497
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 6: I will add you like we're together. We're together.

1498
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'll put the R thread into the list.

1499
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 1: I got a little bit. Please wait, you know some

1500
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: way this one question I've been dying to ask you.

1501
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: So, what happens when you have a catalog is rich

1502
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 2: and it's varied, But somehow when history, when the smoke clears,

1503
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: and all the hits and all the achievements are done,

1504
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: what happens when someone picks the most unlikely song to

1505
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 2: define your career? For birth, Win and Fire its September

1506
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 2: for runm C. It's tricky. I was weird of all

1507
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 2: the iconic songs from run DMC. For some reason, It's

1508
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 2: true has managed to outlast everything. I believe, more than

1509
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: any even blow your mind or who's that? For some reason,

1510
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 2: tambourine using tambourine is refusing to go away. It's actually

1511
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 2: it's still. It is still in my playlist like I've

1512
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 2: not dropped it. I love that in my sort of default,

1513
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: like my twenty to thirty songs that will always be

1514
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 2: in inm I join, I love that. Thirty years ago,

1515
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 2: if I were to play the intro to Troy by

1516
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: Peter Rock and Seal Smooth, the place like you've hear

1517
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: the ones. For some reason, the screams for tambourine gets

1518
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 2: louder by the year. Is there something I don't know?

1519
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 1: Did it become a TikTok sensation?

1520
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 5: Like?

1521
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: Is there a comeback for tambourine that I don't know about?

1522
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 5: Because it's the song of Peloton, I don't know it's

1523
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 5: the Peloton song.

1524
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 6: I forgot about that. I forgot they did use it

1525
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 6: for that.

1526
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 4: About that check. Don't forget about that.

1527
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 6: No, but I was thinking, wait what I forgot?

1528
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 4: But I did indeed.

1529
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: Blast blessings as a person who has a Peloton ass

1530
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: clothes hanger.

1531
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,440
Speaker 6: Same same.

1532
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: They send me a bike if you have to get

1533
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: on that joint.

1534
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 4: Damn not in COVID.

1535
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: I literally was thinking that Peloton for four years.

1536
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 5: Yo.

1537
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sad on it, but every last outfit of

1538
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 1: mine just hangs over it. So it's good for that. Yeah. No,

1539
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: it's a great song, but it's.

1540
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 4: A gred bike, don't.

1541
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I love Peloton. By the way, you want to

1542
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 1: free pelotime, I just don't.

1543
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 4: Want them to take it. You know, I'm just saying

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01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 4: they pay anything, you know what I'm saying.

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,560
Speaker 2: I know, but no, no, I'm just saying that for me,

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01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 2: the fact that I get screams on that song, Like

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01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 2: I judge if a song is working if immediately when

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01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 2: it comes on people scream, and I feel like that

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01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 2: song might be.

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01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 6: No.

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01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 7: It's funny about that song though, because that's when I

1552
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 7: was having kind of like issues at the label and

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 7: they were just like, this song is one They said

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01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 7: it was tupop that urban radio was never gonna like it,

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01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 7: so they didn't put anything behind it. They didn't work

1556
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 7: it at all because they immediately were like and that

1557
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 7: song did its own thing, and Urban radio actually took

1558
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 7: it before any top forty anything and it just did

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01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 7: its own thing.

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01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 6: It was a record. They were like, this is never

1561
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 6: gonna this is not gonna take off. Like so that's

1562
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 6: kind of dope. I'm kind of not mad.

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01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 4: It was because of that touch of they've been hating

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01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 4: on DC for you.

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01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 6: It might be actually though.

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01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 4: For real, people don't know about the co wow.

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01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that's this is our one thing story right right

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01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: right right story right? So kat?

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01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, Kat, and we said this last time,

1570
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 2: you actually have to come on do a proper show.

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01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can unlock.

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: Your your storytelling, But just before we go in your mind,

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01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 2: is it like I have to elevate the story of

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01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: people that might get forgotten about in.

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01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: History, and.

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01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 5: With my collaborators, right outside of the books I read

1577
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 5: on my own, I think there's a whole career, a

1578
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 5: whole body of work that is completely separate from a book.

1579
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 5: So the thing that I said to Eve was like,

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01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 5: where do you want this to go next? Remember? And

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01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 5: she said, I don't know. Biopic head talks like all

1582
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 5: of those things. So there's a difference between like I

1583
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 5: want this book to live on the shelf and then

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01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 5: that becomes the book in addition to the clothing line

1585
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 5: or the fragrance line. Some a lot of celebrities, as

1586
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 5: you know, view a book as an accessory, right like

1587
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 5: Eve viewed it as an extension of who she was.

1588
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 5: So going into the project, it's with that intent to

1589
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 5: reach multiple audiences the way her music has, you know

1590
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 5: what I mean, because it could be that thing. I mean,

1591
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 5: we see celebrities all the time, like by my book,

1592
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 5: by my book, and then also by my shirt, But

1593
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 5: that wasn't like really what this memoir is.

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01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 3: Especially since it's so much history, since she's made so

1595
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 3: much history. I see the whole ted talk thing and like, yeah,

1596
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 3: this is a guide in a way too.

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01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 5: But also there's more books, right, Like there's more books

1598
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 5: to come.

1599
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 4: Like now, it's like.

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01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 5: He's a career author, so it's I think it's very different.

1601
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: From Yeah, I.

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01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 6: Look at the part.

1603
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, are there more stories coming

1604
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,839
Speaker 2: from me? As far as books are concerned.

1605
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 7: I think the next thing will Yes, there are more stories,

1606
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 7: but more more along the lines of self exploration, exploration

1607
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 7: and modalities that I use to help me get to

1608
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 7: certain places.

1609
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 6: If that makes sense.

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01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 4: It sounds like we're using songs in history. Okay, I go, okay, Okay,

1611
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 4: I'm trying to put the puzzle again.

1612
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 8: There's lots of code talk spread.

1613
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 4: For me.

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01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 2: For once, I thank you for taking time out to

1616
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: speak with us. I thank you for your journey and

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01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 2: your conversation and your growth and your book.

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01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: Kathy, I thank you, And I'm serious.

1619
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's give Kathy three thousand, yes, her

1620
01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 2: own episode and her flowers, so talking about it, we

1621
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 2: gotta do this, but no, on the real I'm really

1622
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: proud of you and I'm glad that you blessed us

1623
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: with your art and your gift, and I really appreciate

1624
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 2: and sad to say this like our first real extended

1625
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 2: conversation since we've known each other.

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01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: It was nice to meet you, Eve, But you know what.

1627
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 7: It's okay because it's everything's meant everything as and when,

1628
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,839
Speaker 7: and this was perfect, perfect time, and I'm grateful and thankful,

1629
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 7: so thank you.

1630
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: I love this version of you prioritizing your your your

1631
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 2: mental health and and and your family and and and

1632
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: yourself first. And you know, uh, everyone out there please

1633
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 2: uh support Eve and all of her endeavors.

1634
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 4: Who's that girl?

1635
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: Yes, everywhere.

1636
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 2: James James giving James anyway on behalf of Steve and

1637
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 2: James and I'm paid, Bill and Kaffy and.

1638
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: Layah Kat and he thank you very much this Quest Love.

1639
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: We will see you on the next go round, you know,

1640
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 1: see you.

1641
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 8: Thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme. This podcast

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01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 8: is hosted by Mere quest Love, Thompson, Liah Saint, Clair Sugar,

1643
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 8: Steve Mandela, myself, I'm paid, Phil Schirman. The executive producers

1644
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 8: are Mere just walking into the goddamn room. Thompson, Sean

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01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 8: g and Brian Calhoun produced by Brittany Benjamin, Jake Payne,

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01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 8: and Liah Sinclair. Edited by Alex Conroy, I Know Alex Conwen.

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01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,000
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01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:59,120
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01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,480
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