1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Me Your Girl Daniel Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker, Folks, 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: I want to start out by saying a deep appreciation 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: to all of you who listened to the show, who 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: listened to yesterday's work Wednesday, who have been sending me 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: notes and dms and encouragements and commenting on patron and um. 7 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: It has been a really challenging couple of weeks in 8 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: this country for me in particular, for black people, for 9 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: queer people, for bipoc people, for people with uteruses. It 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: is just it's too fucking much, and I am really struggling. 11 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: And so I'm just going to be transparent about that 12 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: fact and that I don't know what is going to 13 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: happen in the next couple of weeks, let alone the 14 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: next couple of months. As we make our way to midterms. 15 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are offering nothing in terms 16 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: of their leadership except for more finger wagging, more thoughts 17 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: and prayers, and more bullshit about what it is that 18 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: they can't do. I've never heard a party say how 19 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: much they can't do something than Democrats. Never hear Republicans 20 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: when they were in the minority, ever say that they 21 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: can't get something done. They block shit, they throw wrenches 22 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: in everything, And when Democrats are in the minority, they 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: just go along for the get along, hoping and praying 24 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: that then the big bad bully will be nice to 25 00:01:54,280 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: them when it's their turn. Wake up, they don't give 26 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: a fuck. Chuck Schumer and a pressor is like, oh, 27 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: right now, more than ever following this Texas massacre, we 28 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: need bipartisanship. Shut up, like, are you stupid? Do you 29 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: not get who you were dealing with? These people don't 30 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: give a fuck about bipartisanship. They don't give a fuck 31 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: about the Constitution. The only thing in the Constitution that 32 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: they care about is the right to bear arms. They 33 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: don't care about civil rights. They don't care about kids. 34 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: And I wish that you would just fucking say so, oh, 35 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: I know that in their hearts, But no, you don't. 36 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times people have to show 37 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: you who they are? How many times this Republican Party 38 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: has to show you who they are? Greg Abbott in 39 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: his bullshit press conference that he gave yesterday one or 40 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: two as my friend Wajahat said, Chicago this incident. Oh, well, 41 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: look at Chicago and they're gun violence. They have laws 42 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: on the books, and people still get killed ya from 43 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: guns that are coming in from out of that fucking city. 44 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: You want to tell us that teachers need guns, and 45 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: this classroom, this school, Roba Elementary needed more doors, and that, oh, 46 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: the shooter clearly had mental health issues. It's not as if, 47 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: first of all, Republicans give a fuck about anybody's mental 48 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: health because you don't fun health insurance and you voted 49 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: sixty six times to try and fucking overturn it, not 50 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: to provide anything better, just to get rid of it 51 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: all together. So you want to talk about mental health 52 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: and lay everything on mental health, but then do absolutely 53 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: nothing about that. You want to talk about how you're 54 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: the party of family values, how you're the party that 55 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: cares about babies, and that you're pro life. No, what 56 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: you are pro aar fifteens. Greg Abbott has seen at 57 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: least according to Beta of Rourke, five mass shootings in 58 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: the state of Texas. And do you know what he did, 59 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: not a fucking thing. What he did instead was decided 60 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: to allow Texas to be the easiest state in the 61 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: country for you to get a gun in you don't 62 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: even need to do many training, you don't need to 63 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: need a background check, you need nothing. You can walk 64 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: into the state of Texas as the fucking shooter did 65 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: by two ar fifteens over the course of twenty four hours, 66 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: four hundred nearly four hundred rounds of ammunition and not 67 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: near fucking red flag go up. But Abbott wants to 68 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: sit there at a press conference and say, let's not 69 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: politicize the issue, but you are passing policy to ensure 70 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: that Texas is ground zero for as many mass shootings 71 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: as possible. But the people of Texas, you'll keep voting 72 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: for this motherfucker. Vete Work interrupted his bullshit narrative and 73 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: said you were doing nothing, that you have blood on 74 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: your hands. He was escorted out by police people saying, oh, 75 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: this is not the time. Tell me when the fucking 76 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: time is, because it surely isn't in the in between 77 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: between anybody's mass shootings, because then we've all moved on 78 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: to another crisis. Ten days, folks, ten days between Buffalo 79 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: and Texas, And do you know what happened in between 80 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: those Sandwich historic massacres? Multiple shootings across the fucking country. 81 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: There have been, according to CNN, two hundred and twelve 82 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: mass shootings this year. We are in May. There haven't 83 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: even been two hundred and twelve days in the fucking 84 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: calendar yet, but that's how many mass shootings we have 85 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: had in America. This is a uniquely American problem, this 86 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: love affair with guns and violence and white supremacy. I 87 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: have no faith. I have no faith, and I have 88 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: no hope that anything is going to change. Yet anything 89 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 1: is going to get better. As a matter of fact, 90 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: I am pretty certain, pretty sure, and pretty certain that 91 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: shit is going to get a lot worse. We can't 92 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: get through two weeks without hearing about a another historic 93 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: mass shooting. Nineteen children from grades two to four went 94 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: to school on Tuesday. They didn't come back home. And 95 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: we are telling parents and caregivers in this country to 96 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: just suck it up that there is nothing we can do. 97 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: No rephrase that there is nothing the leaders in this 98 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: country want to do. Governor Abbott is leaving that press 99 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: conference and head it over to Houston to be one 100 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: of the headline. It's for the NRA where guess what. 101 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: The NRA rally has decided that they're not allowing guns 102 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: into their own fucking rilly, Well, why is that? I 103 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: thought guns were safe in the hands of good people, 104 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: and I thought that all you brought into the NRA, 105 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: we're good people. So why can't you have fifty thousand 106 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: guns there for all fifty thousand participants. Why not let 107 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: them bring in two three a person turn it into 108 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: a full on shootout. Oh no, but they're banning guns there, 109 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: But you can't ban guns across the country. You want 110 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: to ban it for your protection, but not the protection 111 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: of children and those that want to worship, or go 112 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: to the grocery store, or go to the fucking movie theater, 113 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: or leave their homes safely. This country is so fucking sick. 114 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: And the thing is is that we are all complicit 115 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: because if you don't vote, you voted for a massacre. 116 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: If you did vote and you voted Republican, you voted 117 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: for a massacre. This system is broken, This ship is 118 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: no longer working. And how I am feeling is what 119 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: I said yesterday on woke Wednesday. The system needs to 120 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: be brought to its needs. This country needs to be 121 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: shut the fuck down. What happens if everyone decides that 122 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: they are not going to work anymore. What happens if 123 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: there is a massive boycott organized ain't nobody work in. 124 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: Teachers are not going to school across this country. Your 125 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: kids will not be going to school. What happens if 126 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: all the nurses and doctors decide that they are not 127 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: going to work. What happens when all the police say 128 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: that they're not going to go to work. When the 129 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: grocery store clerks say, hey, you know what, this job 130 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: is too dangerous? Am I going to get how zard pay? 131 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: Shut it the fuck down. That's what needs to happen 132 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: to America. I would love to see what members of 133 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: Congress would do on both sides of the aisle. The 134 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: cult and then feckless democrats would do if Americans decided, 135 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: you know what, we're fucking done. Democracy is supposed to 136 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: be about the people's power, So we have the power 137 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: to unplug this shit and plug it back in. When 138 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: you have some fucking sense and decide that you can 139 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: actually institute policies that are going to be for the 140 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: betterment of this country and not its obstruction or its demise, 141 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: it is time for us to begin the plan to 142 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: unravel this system that is no longer working. America is 143 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: broken and the reality is we're the only ones that 144 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: are going to be able to fix it. Coming up next, 145 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: welcoming back to the show for the first time in 146 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: a very long time, doctor Britney Cooper, who and an 147 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: associate professor at Rutgers University. Brittany has been the subject 148 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: of many a documentary including In Her Mother's Garden, including 149 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: Who Is Pauli Murray? Among others. She's also an accredited 150 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: author and a truth teller, and she will lay down 151 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: some gems in this conversation that left me speechless, that 152 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: actually left me invigorated for the first time in a 153 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: long time. She said this, they are going to kill us, 154 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: We are going to war with white supremacy. But the 155 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: reality is is that they cannot kill us all, and 156 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: so we need to go out fighting, fighting for the 157 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: future generations, just like our ancestors, for freedom that they 158 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: would never see. Take a listen to this conversation with 159 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: our friend doctor Britney Cooper, Folks, I am super excited too, 160 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: I guess welcome back after so many moons, so many 161 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: moons and crises, the wonderful professor doctor Brittany Cooper, who's 162 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: attended professor at Rutgers University in the Women and Gender 163 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Studies Department. And if you have not seen multiple documentaries 164 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: in Her Mother's Garden Paul Murray's documentary Brittany, you are 165 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: everywhere and doing everything and have been for quite some time. 166 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: We are living in We'll let me say this for myself. 167 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: I have never felt the way I feel right now 168 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: in America as a black queer woman. I feel scared. 169 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: I feel a sense of fear and urgency that the 170 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: series of shootings, murders, the rise of this radicalized Republican 171 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: white supremacist party. What are you feeling and have been 172 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: feeling in this time, Because you are so connected to 173 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: the truth telling of our stories as black women, as 174 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: black people, what are you feeling these days? You know, 175 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: I feel distressed and exhausted, and I'm not sure how 176 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: we get off of this track as a country. And 177 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: I think that part of the challenge we face is 178 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: precisely a crisis of truth telling and who we're going 179 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: to how we're going to tell our own stories, and 180 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: who we're willing to listen to to sort of let 181 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: guide us. And so I think we're in a battle 182 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: royale between different stories about what this place is, what 183 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: its past is, and therefore what its future is. And 184 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: right now, quite frankly, I don't think that those of 185 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: us will on the side of justice are winning. But 186 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that it isn't because we're trying. I 187 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: think it is because in part we don't do a 188 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: good job of assessing what the stakes are. So I 189 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: think that we're continuing to try to fight with like 190 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: reason and severity in a world where the other side 191 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: has decided that rules don't matter, that ethics don't matter, 192 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: that it's just a brazen power grab. And I can 193 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: appreciate the moral struggle of that. Right, if you become 194 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: like your enemy, then what distinguishes you? And yet I 195 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: think that there is so much more ground and territory 196 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: for us that doesn't require us to then use power 197 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: for negative ends. And I think that we have to 198 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: keep in mind that the goal is justice and that 199 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: we have to be fierce fighters and defenders of that, 200 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: and that can't just be about discourse and online battles. 201 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: It really does have to defeat to the pavement kinds 202 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: of work. Right now, you know when the League decision 203 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Brittany came out, Now, a couple of weeks ago, and 204 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: I read through it. I had said to folks before, 205 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: I said, these Republicans are not playing games, okay, And 206 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: I said Donald Trump became president. I said, marriage equalities 207 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: on the chopping block. I said, school desegregation is on 208 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: the chopping block, women's rights. You know, all of these things. 209 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: Folks kept telling me, don't be so hyperbolic, Danielle, this 210 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: guy is not gonna fall. Everything is cyclical, right, you 211 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: see by virtue of what was laid out in the 212 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: draft decision, what they are looking at and what they 213 00:14:53,920 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: are coming for. Tell us what use foresee following the 214 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: finality when this decision is now final, what you foresee 215 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: for Black America, black women that is at stake for us. 216 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: So it's very interesting the folks who say, oh, this 217 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: is cyclical. The thing to remember about cycles is things 218 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: are cyclical. I think that when Trump got elected, folks 219 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: had a narrative that he was like Nixon, and many 220 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: of us were historians and who work in history, said oh, no, no, no, 221 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: this is not a twentieth century playbook. This is a 222 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: nineteenth century playbook. And so I just like to remind 223 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: folks that after the Reconstruction period in the US, which 224 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: was the period after the Civil War. During Reconstruction, black 225 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: people could vote, they could hold national office, We had 226 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: black senators, you could ride on, desegregated transportation, many of 227 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,119 Speaker 1: the civil rights that we understand coming after the sixties. 228 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: But there was a generation of black people in the 229 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: eighteen seventies that experienced the world in that way and 230 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: then had it all ripped away from them in a 231 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: period of about fifteen to twenty years. Right, that's what 232 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: I see. I see these guys playing a nineteenth century 233 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: playbook in which they want to go back and do 234 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: all of the things. They want to restrict. They want 235 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: to restrict women and childbearing people's right to control their 236 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: their reproductive autonomy. They want to strip the vote away 237 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: from us. They want to go back to this sort 238 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: of American exceptional narrative you know, about American greatness, wherein 239 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, racism was merely a blip, and it is 240 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: not a thing that that children are taught about, and 241 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: all of it is designed to sort of control the 242 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: narrative about who the country is. Because these folks have 243 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: decided that racism and sexism and classism are not the problem, 244 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: but Rather, it is those who fight against those things 245 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: that are the problem, and it is our willingness to 246 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: tell the truth about them that is the problem. One 247 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: of the scariest things about the leaked decision is that 248 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: we have to remember that when Rovie Wade was decided, 249 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't decided it as a woman has a right 250 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: to an abortion. It was decided as a woman has 251 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: a right to privacy in making sound medical discision with 252 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: her doctor. The problem with this privacy versus public thing 253 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: is that I think we're not talking enough about the 254 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: assault on private rights, because privacy is every Look. This 255 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: is also the way that this country terrorized gay folks 256 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: by saying you couldn't you know, this is how the 257 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: country came into the bedrooms of gay people right and 258 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: criminalize gay sex right. And so when you keep the 259 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: right to privacy, you protect intimate space. When you take 260 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: it away, then everything becomes on the chopping block. It 261 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: doesn't just become about being able to give birth. It 262 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: also becomes about intimate relations. It also becomes about search 263 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: and seizure and the ability of the police to come 264 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: into your house and do anything they want. And I 265 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: think part of the challenge of this moment. Last thing 266 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: I'll say is that one of the reasons that we 267 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: struggle in the messaging on the left about this is 268 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: because you have black folks who say, well, how is 269 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: that different than before They've been restricting abortion. The police 270 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: have been doing anything to things right, but there's a 271 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: difference between the de facto actions of the law and 272 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: what is on the books. 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We do not 299 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: always agree, We definitely do not always agree, but we 300 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: always deliver thoughtful debate and we always have a good time. 301 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: So subscribe to Slates Political Gapfest new episodes every Thursday. 302 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: There has not I've been asking this question, and I'm 303 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: going to ask it to you. Has there been a 304 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: time or a place or a country where you have 305 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: seen them lose democracy and gain it back within you know, 306 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: within a generation. Absolutely not not not that I could immediate, 307 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: not that comes to mind. And look and this is why, 308 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, when when when there were black folks online, 309 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: right if the you know when Putin invaded Ukraine and said, 310 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: what does this have to be? You know this happens 311 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: to you know, black folks on the continent all the time. 312 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: What does this have to do with us? And my 313 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: thought was, yes, the country has been racist in its 314 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: global foreign policy. That doesn't change the fact that if 315 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: a Western democracy can be invaded and basically shut down 316 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: by a fascist madman, a fascist madman that our last 317 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: president was deeply in bed with, right, come on, a 318 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: significant portion of this country would give him another shot 319 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: to go back to those very policies again. Then what 320 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: we're looking at is a prelude to what the MAGA 321 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: movement in the US wants to make happen in this country. 322 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: Ukraine for them becomes a marker of what they would 323 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: like to see us do, even when they won't acknowledge 324 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: it because they don't want democracy. If democracy doesn't mean 325 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: white supremacy anymore, how do we battle a party that 326 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: has thrown out the constitution, that has no rules, that 327 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: has no allegiance to anything other than power and white supremacy. 328 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: And if we can't do it with facts and truth, 329 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: because the whole of the country could care less. You 330 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: have twenty five percent of the country that is in 331 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: glee mode right now. They are excited. They are looking 332 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: at you know, the terrorists in Buffalo and Kyle Rittenhouse 333 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: and Dylan Ruth as a blueprint. Right. You see a 334 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: Wisconsin in man in just got ten years in jail 335 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: for throwing acid on a Latino man because he said, 336 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: you're going to replace me? Right, So, if you have 337 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: this party that is escalating in their violence and are 338 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: saying we have no rules, and then a tepid Democratic 339 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: party that believes that they are operating still in this 340 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: closed door, bottleless scotch smoke filled handshake, white man deal world, 341 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: how do we battle through that? Yeah? You know, And 342 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: I tend to take two approaches, right. The first is 343 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 1: that I think that the democratic parties, such as they exist, 344 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: have got to have bolder solutions, in more creative approaches. 345 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: So we've got to stop worrying about what they're going 346 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: The thing that that's interesting about Democrats is they continue 347 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: to govern for future in which they're not empowered and 348 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: the Republicans never do right. So the Democrats say things like, well, 349 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: we can't be bold because if we do this, then 350 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: when they get back in power, they're going to do 351 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: it too. Yeah. Well, create a world in which their 352 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: ability to get back in power cannot happen outside of 353 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: fair and square means they don't have power. Because look, 354 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, I just like to remind people we have 355 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: had what six presidential elections in the twenty first century 356 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousand and four, two thousand and eight, twelve, 357 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. In five of those elections, the 358 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: Democratic candidate won the popular vote in five of the 359 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: six elections, and yet somehow right you ended up having 360 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: a democratic, i mean a Republican president in three of 361 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: those elections, even though they only won the popular vote 362 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: in one. That tells me something about the country. The 363 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: country actually is not voting for right wing policy. They 364 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: are voting for more liberal policy, and yet liberals continue 365 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: to govern as if they don't have a mandate. Republicans 366 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: govern as though even when they continue to lose the 367 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: election and by the numbers, as though they do so. 368 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: If we governed like we had a mandate, Biden would 369 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: go ahead and pack the court. Yes, I hear the 370 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: folks who say, what happens if we just get into 371 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: a court packing scheme. You pack the court with people 372 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: who then support the kinds of jurisprudence that make it 373 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: less necessary to need a packed court in the future. Right, 374 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: do you use your executive power. We've already taken the 375 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: gloves software executive power is concerned, So use it for good. 376 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: We already know the other side is going to use 377 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: it for evil. Our job is to use it to 378 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: try to balance the tables and to create the kind 379 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: of power structure in which then we can actually we 380 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: can actually put some stops to some of the voter 381 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: suppression and other things. The other thing that we have 382 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: to have, though, given the tepidness of the Democratic Party, 383 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: is robust social movements. That's the only thing you can 384 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: do when you have to rise up against governments that 385 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: do not serve your interests. And so I think we're 386 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: going to see more and more forms of protests. I 387 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: think we've seen a decade of it, and I think 388 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: that part of the challenge for us is to not 389 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: get tired and to try to stay clear for me. 390 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: The challenge of protest movements is that then they tell people, well, 391 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: don't vote because nothing changes, and it's like, I don't 392 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: agree with that, right, I am a radical. I think 393 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: like the government is a ship show in many ways. 394 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: And I also think like, if you don't have a 395 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: government coordinating, for instance, your pandemic response, then you arrive 396 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: at a world where one in every three hundred and 397 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: thirty black people has died of COVID in two years, 398 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: one in every three hundred and thirty in the country period. Right, 399 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: that is not something that social movements can solve by themselves. 400 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: You need good government to solve that problem. And you 401 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: need social movements to keep on upping the stakes and 402 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: the anti so that good government knows where its compass 403 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: is and what it's agenda should do. And we've got 404 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: to be able to balance both of those things. And 405 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: part of the challenge we have across the board is 406 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: that we can't get to a common narrative that is 407 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: both experience. It's enough for us to have lots of 408 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: points of view and then a kind of a ground 409 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: that says, all right, we've considered all of this, here's 410 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: how we're going to move forward. I think that those 411 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: things are possible. Right now, I think the ground is 412 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: super muddy, and I'm not sure yet how we're going 413 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: to solve that particular roll. You know, when when you 414 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: look at history, Brittany, as a student, as a professor, 415 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: as a doctor of history, and you said earlier you 416 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: had about ten twenty years of reconstruction where black excellence 417 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: was able to excel without the obstacles of WoT, the 418 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: overt obstacles of white supremacy. I'll say then, following that 419 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: was a century of Jim Crow? Yes, do we? I mean, 420 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: is it even conceivable for us to have a century 421 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: of Jim Crow in this version of America? Right now? 422 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: Because what I and I asked that question because what 423 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: I see is the only direction that this is headed 424 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: in is violence. I do not see that. I don't 425 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: I don't see us voting our ways our way out 426 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: of this. I do not see us marching our way 427 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: out of this. Ye, So please tell me what you 428 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: see following what would have been perceived. I guess the 429 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: Obama years were what our eight little mini years of 430 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: of reconstruction, our eight little window years of seeing ourselves 431 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: in the house that enslaved African our ancestors built, and 432 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: then now what we're supposed to sit quietly down for 433 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty years of Jim crow Esquire. Yeah. Look, 434 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues of this moment. You know, 435 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: I've been saying since twenty eighteen. Oh, I don't see 436 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: how we get out of this without violence. Part of 437 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: the reason here is like one place where I think 438 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: if we're going to change this, that hasn't happened. I 439 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: think the Biden administration is missing a critical thing. They 440 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: had to figure out how to regulate and break up 441 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: the right wing media ecosystem. Come on, because that is 442 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: the thing that is seen in all of this, this 443 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: radicalization of people on the right. That's the thing that's doing. 444 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: It's Fox News, it's news Max, it's all the YouTube channels, 445 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: it's eight Chan, it's all of the you know, Reddit right. 446 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: There is not a concerted effort to you know. And 447 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: part of the problem is the Biden administration and all 448 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: of us who are liberal modic keeps saying freedom of speech. 449 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: Freedom of speech, yes, but not freedom to impose whatever 450 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: violent consequences as a result of that speech on anybody 451 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: that you want to. And so the problem, of course, 452 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: is that freedom of speech becomes about white folks ability 453 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: to see the ground of the country with all kinds 454 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: of terrorism to at the expense of the rest of us. 455 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: And we don't have a you know, an expense of 456 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: enough discourse to understand what we really mean when we 457 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: say that speech ought to be free right, or that 458 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: you ought to be able to speak freely in the public. 459 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: So if if we cannot as a country figure out 460 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: how to break up the ecosystem and recognize that half 461 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: of the country has been brainwashed into foolishness, and white 462 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: people really think they're under attack, and that's why they 463 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: don't think that they need to play by the rules, 464 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: because they believe that they have been victimized. They emotionally 465 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: are invested in this narrative of grievance against them even 466 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: as they perpetrate against us. Then we are going to 467 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 1: end up in civil war because you cannot have you know, 468 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: two groups of people but both fearful of one another 469 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: and one group heavenly armed and brainwashed, and it not 470 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: leads to violence. And the thing we're gonna have to 471 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: figure out on the left is the right wants to 472 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: relitigate the civil war. They think that this time around 473 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: they can win. And what is not clear to me 474 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: is I think they could win because they have more 475 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 1: guns than the rest of us. Yes, I don't know 476 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: what to do about that, given that I don't believe 477 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: in guns, like you know, I mean, I'm in the country. 478 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: If you know, you're look at we're on zoom. My 479 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: parents have guns in the background of this picture. So 480 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, I come from Southern people who believe in guns, 481 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: but not in like automatic weapons and things like that. 482 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: So what do you do if the other side is 483 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: heavily armed? They are gunning for a fight. Dylan Roof 484 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: and then Peyton Gendren, those boys, those young men wanted 485 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: to set off a race war. That's what they keep 486 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: trying to stir. And at some point they're going to 487 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: be successful. And then what are we going to do 488 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: if we're sitting ducks for all of this stuff? And 489 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: so you know, I feel violence in the air. I 490 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: have been saying that. I am already thinking about you know, 491 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: where will I where will I run to when you know, 492 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: when this goes down? And what kinds of skill sets 493 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: will I need? And you know, and I will say 494 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: to you Danielle It, I'm I am an optimist, so 495 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: like you say that I am, I am an optimist 496 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: because you know, because the other thing about studying history, though, 497 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: is that our ancestors never stopped fighting. That's the thing, right, 498 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: even the black women who you know, I write about 499 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: these black women who came who were born into and 500 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: came of age during reconstruction and the end of reconstruction. 501 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: So there, so the Ida B. Wells is a person 502 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: who as a young person could ride on desegregated transportation 503 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: in her twenties and thirties, and by the time she 504 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: got to be a young thirties married mom, all those 505 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: rights went away. So when we think about like who 506 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: we are as thirty forty fifty somethings watching it he 507 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: snatched away, we should think about somebody like Ida B Wells. 508 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: That was her context, was that she grew up thinking 509 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: the world was one way, and then and then came 510 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: into adulthood and all of a sudden it was a 511 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 1: different way. And I think she becomes a model for us, 512 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: her and her colleagues and comrades about they just kept saying, 513 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: we tell the truth, we fight, we fight, we fight, 514 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: we confront, we agitate, we dun't back down, and I 515 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: to be well said, And you know, Winchester Rifles should 516 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: have a place of honor in every black home, you know. 517 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: And I think that she has to become the model 518 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: for how we think about this moment because she and 519 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: her peers are the only other group of black folks 520 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: who live in this moment. Parents born into slavery, they 521 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: had a war, they got rights, and then they saw 522 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: those rights legally stripped away, and then they had to 523 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: rebuild a world where they could get rights again. So 524 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,479 Speaker 1: our people, I'm hopeful because while enraged and disheartened, I 525 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: know that our people have actually lived through a version 526 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: of this, having everything given and having everything taken away. 527 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: And their response was, U, MS are not gonna get 528 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: away with this. We will fight you until the day 529 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: that we die. And if that is the place that 530 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: we have to sit and struggle, my hope is that 531 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: we will just recognize it and be here together. And 532 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: they might kill many of us, but they can't kill 533 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: all of us, and that has to it. It is 534 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: not sufficient, it is not deserved, but that too is 535 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: the truth, right, that they cannot kill us all. And 536 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: if they cannot kill us all, then everybody has to 537 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: fight like hill. Damn doctor Brittany Cooper, let me tell 538 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: you something. I would go back to school to be 539 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: educated by you. You would you would be worth the 540 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: loan debt to be re educated by last quick question 541 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: for you. I know that you're on sabbatical, but what 542 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: do you tell your students who are living in this moment? 543 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: When I was taking political science, when I was majoring, 544 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: the world was hopeful. I wanted to be a part 545 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: of that change. What do you what are you telling 546 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 1: them now? I'm you know, I look, none of us 547 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: has the none of us has the privilege or the 548 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: right to just lay down and take it. We come 549 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: from people who were enslaved, who were dragged here against 550 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: their will. Why do we think that this thing that 551 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: we're about to go through in America is the worst 552 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: thing that black people have ever been through? What do 553 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: I look like telling the folks who my people, who 554 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: are in slaved not far from where I'm sitting right now, 555 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: that because white folks are showing themselves to be who 556 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: they've always been, that I want to lay down and 557 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: take it, you know, or that there is nothing to 558 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: hope for. I try to have the hope of the 559 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: ancestors that got up every day, the ones who were 560 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: born into slavery and never saw freedom and yet made 561 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: it because we're here. That to me is like I 562 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,959 Speaker 1: literally just strip it back. I say that I come 563 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: from people who never saw freedom, and yet somehow I'm here. 564 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: And so how dare I decide in my deep despair 565 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: that there is nothing worth fighting for? And the other 566 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: thing that I say to my students is and these 567 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: are the tools that are gonna help you change it. 568 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: The reading, the studying, the community, the connection, the claim 569 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: charity about the problems. The reason that folks are fighting 570 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: so hard against higher education and against teaching proper American history, 571 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: which they call critical race theory in schools, is because 572 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: there is something that white folks and those who are 573 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: committed to this fascist part, not all white folks, but 574 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: those committed to this project of fascism and white supremacy understand. 575 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: And what they understand is that an educated citizenry is dangerous. 576 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: And so I try to help my students to understand 577 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: this is why they don't want you to have it, 578 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: So you better come forward and get it with all 579 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: that you've got. And then if you do that, then 580 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: you will have the space to figure out the ways 581 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: in which to use it. But all we have before 582 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: us in the absence of freedom is fight, and that 583 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: is something. It is not what we should have, It 584 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: is not what we deserve, it is not what we 585 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: are owed. But it is the agency that we have 586 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: to make a difference. And either we're gonna use it 587 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: or they're gonna kill us. And so you ain't gonna 588 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: kill me without be fighting. So I'm gonna have to track. 589 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: And this is and standing reading these books, getting these ideas, 590 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: speaking truth the power. Those are all sins of fight 591 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: and they matter. Amen, Doctor Brittany Cooper, please come back 592 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: to will gay f again. I needed this fire, this energy, 593 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: this like moment of honoring our ancestors through this conversation. 594 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: I so deeply appreciate you. Thank you. Get a behind 595 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: the scenes look at Comedy Central's The Daily Show on 596 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: Beyond the Scenes, an original podcast from the Daily Show 597 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: with Trevor Noah. 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