1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Election interference. Donald Trump found guilty on all thirty four counts. Welcome, 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: it is verdict with Senater Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with you. Senator. 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: You are in the car right now. I am in 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: the studio. It's about ten to thirty Central time, eleven 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: thirty Eastern. Give me your quick thoughts on what America 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: just witnessed. 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's an absolute travesty. What unfold is in light 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: As you noted, I am in a pickup truck driving 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: south of the forty five Free Way. I spent all 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: day in Dallas, Texas, and drive it home to Houston. 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 2: Right now it is ten twenty seven pm. Now i'll 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: get home past two in the morning. But we're doing 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: this podcast on the phone. Let me apologize. Our audio 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: is not going to be the same quality we normally 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: do when we're using the audio equipment. But we wanted 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: to get this out fast to address the issues tonight. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: Everyone on planet Earth knows what happened tonight. The New 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: York try convicted Donald Trump of thirty four counts felony 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: that if the sentences were consecutive, could put it in 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: jail for more than a hundred years. That's not going 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: to happen. It was an absolute miscarriage of justice. This 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: was not law, This was not criminal justice. This was politics. 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: This was a political hit job. This was a spare. 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: This was the worst instance of election interference our country's 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: ever seen. What we're gonna do tonight is we're going 26 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: to break down what it means. We're going to talk 27 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: about what happens next. We're going to talk about the 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: next steps, how it impacts the elections, how it impacts 29 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, how it impacts the American people. All of 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: that we're going to impact in this special issue. 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I also real quick about the International Fellowship of 32 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,279 Speaker 1: Christians and Jews and important work and help that is needed. 33 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: A lot of you have asked how you can help 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: the people in Israel. Israel right now is still under 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: attack and there's a major need that is emergency bomb 36 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: shelter kits and actual bomb shelters. 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Some don't even know 61 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: what they were even charging him with including I think 62 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump because the rules changed at the last minute. 63 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: We talked about that in the last podcast. But let's 64 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: look at the immediate future. There's a sentencing that is 65 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: coming the same week as a Republican national convention. There 66 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: is a legitimate chance that a Donald Trump could be 67 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: in jail or b could be under house arrest, and 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: that means he wouldn't be able to go to his 69 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: own convention. How is that not alone election in it? 70 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: Well man, that's not gonna happen. But it is the 71 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: illustrative of just how ridiculous what's transpired is we saw 72 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: Trump convicted on all thirty four counts. I have to 73 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: bet emotions. I am, on one level furious. This is 74 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: an outreach. It is It is a disgusting assault on democracy, 75 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: on the rule of FAW. But I'm also heartbroken. I'm heartbroke. 76 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: I believe in the I believe that our justice system, 77 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: our justice system is supposed to provide equal justice under law. 78 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: And you know, yesterday and we talked about on Wednesday's podcast, 79 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: we talked about the different possible outcomes. We talked about 80 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: the arracle that could happen, which would be an acquittal 81 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: which I would have loved to have seen, and we 82 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: talked about the possibility of a hung jury. One juror 83 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: out of twelve people, one Dura will not be part 84 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: of this sparse I will not be part of this 85 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: this charade. I'm done, no, no, no. The justice system 86 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: is not meant to attack your political opponent, and I 87 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: won't play a part. Sadly, that didn't happen. Twelve New 88 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: Yorkers decided they were Democrat partisans. Now I will say 89 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: a significant part of that was, no doubt, driven by 90 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: the absurd jury instructions given by the judge. This judge 91 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: has made the New York justice system into a global 92 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: laughing stocker. Across the planet. People know that the justice 93 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: system in New York doesn't follow the rule of law. 94 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: It doesn't care about each under law. Instead, it is 95 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: a tool to attack your political enemy. That makes me 96 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: sad that that's not the way our justice system is 97 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: supposed to work. As you asked, what's next, Well, Trump 98 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: has been released on his own recongnissance. The next step 99 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: is sentencing. Sentencing is going to happen four days before 100 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: the Republican National Convention. In the interim, there are a 101 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: series of steps, including Trump has to go to a 102 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: pre sentenced evaluation. He may have to submit to a 103 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: psychiatrist or a psychologist. They compare a report all of 104 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: the steps that are standard after someone is convicted, that 105 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: a report gets presented to the judge to help the 106 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: judge make a decision about sentencing. We will find out 107 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: about sentencing literally the week of the Republican National Convention. 108 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: I don't think it is by accident. This entire trial 109 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: is designed to an interfere with the election. I'm going 110 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: to make a prediction right now. The chances that this 111 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: conviction is overturned on appeal, I believe are one hundred 112 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: point zero percent. It will be overturned on appeal. I 113 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: think the judge does that. I think the judge in 114 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: this trial then over backwards, did everything possible, gave jury 115 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: instructions that just defied the US Supreme Court President. Did 116 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: not require the jury to be unanimous on all the 117 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: elements of the crial. Let the jury mix and match 118 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: and pick different potential other crimes to elevate this from 119 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: a misdemeanor to a felony. All of that is reversible error. 120 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: The judge knows that but I don't think he cares. 121 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: I don't think the prosecutor cares, because the objective here 122 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: is not to get a conviction that sticks, is not 123 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: put Donald Trump in jail. The objective is to spare him. 124 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: Within minutes of the verdict coming down, the Biden Whitehouse 125 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: put out a statement referring to him as a quote 126 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: convicted felon. That was the entire point of all of this. 127 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: We will hear the words convicted felon referring to Donald 128 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: Trump from Democrats and from the corporate media one between 129 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: now and election day. Every other sentence they say will 130 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: say bell and Bellen, Bell and Bell Bella. That was 131 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: the point. And they know it'll be reversed on appeal, 132 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: but that will happen after election day. And this is 133 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 2: all their effort to try to stop the American people 134 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: from reelection Trump. 135 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: All right, let me play Devil's Advocate with you. If 136 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: we're underestimating the Democrats again, I still go back to 137 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: the real question. This judge has gone rogue. He went 138 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: rogue on sentencing. He went rogue from the beginning. He's 139 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: a donor to Biden. If he knows, Senator, and we 140 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: use what you just said that he knows it's going 141 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: to be overturned. Why the hell wouldn't he throw Donald 142 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: Trump in jail or under house arrest where he can't travel. 143 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: Look, and I fully believe this judge's partisan enough he 144 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: would love to throw Donald Trump in a deep pit, 145 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: to throw him in a pit of despair, to use 146 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: a princess bride analogy, He would do everything in anything 147 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: he could. But I also I don't have any indication 148 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: that this judge is stupid. I think he's a partisan. 149 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: I think he hates Trump, and I think he's willing 150 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: to abuse his power. But a sling, he's not stupid. 151 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: I don't know that if he orders Donald Trump sent 152 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: to jail, that will be subject to an immediate appeal, 153 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: and I think the immediate appeal would be successful. I 154 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: don't know if it would be the state courts of 155 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: New York or if it would be the federal courts, 156 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: but I don't think the courts are going to allow 157 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: the presumptive Republican nominee, and I think likely the next 158 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: president of the United States to be hauled away to 159 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: Rikers Island. By the way, New York State is also 160 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: a state where you can assault the police officer. You 161 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: can punch a little old lady in the face on 162 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: the street, you can practically rape or murder someone, and 163 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: these imbeciles won't send you to jail. But if your 164 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: crime as being a Republican who's the leading anident for president, 165 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: You're right, this partisan judge just might said go to jail, 166 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: but I think he won't do it. 167 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: So you're saying that if Trump, and this is where 168 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: I love your legal mind, you're saying that it's more 169 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: valuable to not put him under house arrests, yes, or 170 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: put him in jail, because then he's the convicted fell 171 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: in through election day. Then it's overturned after election day 172 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: and you interfere with the election results. And if you 173 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: actually put him in jail or under house arrests, then 174 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: it would escalate the timeline rapidly, so then he may 175 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: actually be found innocent, not innocent. 176 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: But listen, I think the judge is not going to 177 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: put Trump in jail because it would be bad politics. 178 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: This is not law, this is not criminal justice, it's politics. 179 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: It would be bad politics because it would force the 180 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: appellate courts to act. And I think neither the partisan 181 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: judge nor the partisan DA want the appellate courts to 182 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: give a victory for Donald Trump before November. So they're 183 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: not gonna do anything, I think to tee up a 184 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: legal victory for Donald Trump before November. They want any 185 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: legal victory for Trump to be after November. And I 186 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: will say, I will give her one caveat. I could 187 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: see some scenario or the Trump issue issues some sort 188 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: of house arrest order says you gotta stay at bar Lago, 189 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: you gotta wear an ankle bracelet. I don't think the 190 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: judge will do that, but it is conceivable. But you're 191 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: allowed to go to the convention and give the convention speech. 192 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: You're allowed to go to the debate and participate the debate. 193 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: That that house arrest with enough exceptions that it is 194 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 2: not transparently election interference. It's just obvious to anyone with 195 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: an IQ above twelve that it's election interference that is 196 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: not outside the realm of possibility. I think that's probably 197 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: doesn't happen either. But I do not think the judge 198 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: would be foolish enough to order him set to jail, 199 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: because I think it would force a rapid appellate reversal 200 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 2: of that's terrible politics. 201 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: All right, So let me ask you this, and people 202 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: are going to say this case was extraordinary. It involves 203 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: the former president, units it's America running for office. Why 204 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: can Donald Trump not get his appeal heard very quickly? 205 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: Why is this going to drag on until after election day? 206 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: Shouldn't this move its way through? And the appeal moved 207 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: through very very quickly. And is there anything he can 208 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: do to force the hand for this case to move out? 209 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: And whatever? This judge asides the sentence out very quickly 210 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: and say, okay, no, this isn't right. 211 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, look at the good question. I can tell you 212 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: in any ordinary case, the answer would be done that. 213 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: Typically if you're facing a criminal conviction, particularly if you 214 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: don't have an order to go to jail, if you're 215 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: allowed to be out and free pending the appeal. The 216 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: way criminal convictions and appeals typically work, they can take years. 217 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: I mean they can take their death penalty appeals that 218 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: have taken decades. I think the wheels of justice move 219 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: slowly moving through the appellate process. So in any ordinary case, 220 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 2: you would never get the appeal resolved between now and 221 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 2: the end of the year. Just take longer than that. 222 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: And and so that's and the way it would work normally, 223 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: from a trial court conviction in the New York state courts, 224 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: you would appeal it typically to the New York Intermediate 225 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: appellate courts, and then you would appeal it to the 226 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: New York Court of Appeals, which is the Supreme Court 227 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: in New York. It's the it's the top court of 228 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: New York. So you would go through you'd have two 229 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 2: levels of repellate courts in the state court system, and 230 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: then after the top state court decided your appeal, you 231 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: could then appeal to the US Supreme Court. From that 232 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: that process could be in a normal criminal appeal easily 233 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: take one, two even three years. I mean that process 234 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: can be quite slow, depending on how long the judges 235 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: take to issue attention. You could try to file an 236 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: emergency appeal, but in an ordinary criminal case it would 237 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: never succeed. Now there is another evidence that the Trump 238 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: lawyers I suspect their debating to Night, the Trump lawyers 239 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: couldn't try to file an emergency appeal straight from the 240 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: trial court to the US Supreme Court. Now that's not 241 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: easy to do. Whine straordinarily uncommon. 242 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,239 Speaker 1: This is extraordinaryly uncommon, but so is trying to imprison 243 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: a presidential candidate, the leading candidate who's leading in all 244 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: the polls, in a former president. Wouldn't that be enough 245 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court to raise their eyebrows, going, yeah, 246 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: we might want to get involve. 247 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: So it might, and the Supreme Court has has a 248 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: variety of jurisdiction to grant a series of rints and 249 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court it wouldn't be a direct appeal, but 250 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: you can craft an appeal that went straight from the 251 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: state crowd court to the US Supreme Court. As I said, 252 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: it is extraordinarily rare, but it is theoretically possible, and 253 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure the Trump legal team is debating that right 254 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: now now. If they did the risk of that, in 255 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: any ordinary circumstance, the Supreme Court would never ever ever 256 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: taken this. The Court's general approach to appeals is let 257 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: the process play out, let the timeline play out. Maybe 258 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: another court could resolve this. So if this were not 259 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: the leading candidate for president of the United States, the 260 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: Supreme Court's approach would be even if this conviction is wrong, 261 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: maybe the New York Intermediate Apellent Court versus it, Maybe 262 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: the New York Toppeller Court reverses, and there are lots 263 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: of ways this could get fixed without the Supreme Court 264 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: getting involved in So that's the overwhelming approach of the 265 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: Supreme Court in almost every case. Now this is not 266 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: almost every case. And so if I were part of 267 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: Trump's legal team, I would give very serious thought to 268 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: filing an extraordinary rit at the US Supreme Court. Now 269 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: to grant that, you'd take four justices, and you'd have 270 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: to have four justices that saw this as the outrage 271 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: that it is. And I think that's probably right, and 272 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: who were willing to put the Court in the middle 273 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: of it? And I'll tell you, the US Supreme Court 274 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: has a very, very strong and self protective instinct to 275 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: keep the court out of political conflicts. If you look 276 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: back at twenty twenty, twenty twenty, when you had multiple 277 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: election challenges lawsuits all over the country, I wish the 278 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: US Supreme Court had gotten involved. Then I urged the 279 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: Supreme Court to take the appeal from Pennsylvania. There was 280 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: a Rentisterceerrari that was filed. Retisterurceerri made an appeal to 281 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: the US Supreme Court that was filed from Pennsylvania. I 282 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: urged the Court to take that. In fact, if you remember, 283 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 2: Donald Trump asked me if I would argue that appeal 284 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: if the Supreme Court took the case from Pennsylvania, and 285 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: I said yes, I would. The Court ultimately did not 286 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: take the case, so I never argued it. I think 287 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: the reason they didn't take the case is because of 288 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 2: the self protective instinct of the Supreme Court that their 289 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: sort of institutional approach is keep us out of a 290 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: political mess. Now, let me give a countervailing argument. So 291 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: twenty four years ago, I was a baby lawyer and 292 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: I was part of the legal team that's litigated Bush 293 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: versus Gord, Bush versus Gore. You'll remember happened right after 294 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: the two thousand election, and in the state of Florida, 295 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: there was a series of litigation challenges. George W. Bush 296 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: won Florida, but out Lord challenged the election. He filed 297 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: multiple lawsuits. In today's world, I guess they'd call out 298 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: were an election denier. But he challenged the election, and 299 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: I was part of the legal team that defended George W. 300 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: Bush's victory in Florida. The votes were counted four separate times, 301 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: and Bush won all four times. But the first time 302 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: we went to the US Supreme Court, and there was 303 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: a legal team that came together from Bush versus War 304 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 2: that I still think is the finest legal team ever assembled. 305 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 2: It was an amazing team, all of the best Supreme 306 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: Court litigators of the planet. And I was twenty eight 307 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: twenty nine years old. I was a kid carrying their bags. 308 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: But I got to be a very junior part of 309 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: an extraordinary team. And what was interesting is is we 310 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 2: were writing the petition for sarcer oring, asking the Supreme 311 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: Court to take the case, and I was part of 312 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 2: the team writing that brief. There was a real debate 313 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: among the lawyers about whether the Supreme Court would take 314 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: that case. In two thousand and the divide, interestingly enough, 315 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: was between those of us who had clerked to the 316 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: Supreme Court and those of us who had not. Almost 317 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: all of the lawyers who had not clerked at the 318 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: Supreme Court believe the Court would not take the case. 319 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: They'd want to stay out of the fight. They would 320 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: not want to get in the middle of this political fight. 321 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: And I and most of the other lawyers who had 322 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: clerked at the Court believed the Court would take the case. 323 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: I was adamant. I thought the Court would take the case, 324 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: and I agreed that the Court would see risk, they'd 325 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: see political risk to itself as an institution. But I 326 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: believe the Court would also feel a responsibility to step 327 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: in and act. And I personally believe. I can't prove this, 328 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: I have no inside information, but I personally believe that 329 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: the Chief Justice, Chief Justice Rnquist, which is the justice 330 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: for whom I clerked, and so I knew Chief Justice 331 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 2: Rnquist very very well. I think he, in particular felt 332 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: a great responsibility that when the country was all waiting 333 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: on the resolution of the presidential race, that the Court 334 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: had an obligation to step in and engage. Well, I 335 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: think there's a chance the Court will feel that same thing. 336 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: I think there are certainly justices who watching this are 337 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: outraged of the lawlessness of the abuse of power. I 338 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: don't know where the Chief Justice will fall. John Roberts 339 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: was part of that legal team down in Bush versus War. 340 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: I worked side by side with John Roberts in writing 341 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: the petition for sirchu Or. He was part of the 342 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: team that wrote that my recollection. Although I don't have 343 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: a distinct recollection, but I assumed. I think he was 344 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: among those of us who believe the Court would take 345 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 2: the case now fast forwarding. He obviously has a very 346 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: different role because he's the Chief Justice, and I think 347 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: he's very protective of the Court's legitimacy. Will say, the 348 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: Democrats are mounting a frontal assaults on the Court to 349 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 2: delegitimize the Court, so I think there will be justice 350 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: as afraid of getting into this matter. All of which 351 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: is to say, I don't know if the Court would 352 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: grant an extraordinary wrist, but I'm confident the Trump legal 353 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: team is debating that and debating that extensively right now. 354 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, great point. I want to say to many of 355 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: you that are listening right now, thank you, because a 356 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: lot of you have taken the time to get involved 357 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: with an amazing organization called Preborn. When a mother with 358 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: an unplanned pregnancy meets her baby on ultrasound and here's 359 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: their baby's heartbeat, it is a divine encounter that doubles 360 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: a baby's chance at life. 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Dial on your phone pound two fifty and 380 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: say the keyword baby. That's pound two fifty, keyword baby. Senator, 381 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: let me ask you another question, and this is one 382 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: that I've been asked a lot over the last ten 383 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: hours on social media. It's really been popping up, and 384 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: there is a divide when it comes to this court case, 385 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of anger by a lot 386 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: of conservatives have said, see, I told you so. We 387 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: should have gone after one of the liberals out there 388 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: that was committing crimes and gone after them to say 389 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: to the Democrats, if you do this to Donald Trump, 390 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: we're going to come back and do it to you. 391 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: And now there's people that say, well, there it is. 392 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: The cat's out of the bag. This is law fair 393 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: and if we're not willing to do it back to them, 394 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: they're going to keep doing it to us. Give me 395 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: your reaction to people like that are extremely frustrated on 396 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: that aspect of us that we're we're playing by the rules, 397 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: they're not, and yet they're winning. 398 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: Look I get that sentiment, and it's frustrating because the 399 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 2: other side, the other side is willing to destroy the 400 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: rule of law. They're willing to destroy the judiciary, they're 401 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: willing to destroy our country in pursuit of partisan powers, 402 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: and and and it is it's why I'm so sad today. 403 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: Uh you know, I was on Sean Hannity yesterday, I 404 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: was on Shannon John Hennity tonight. Yesterday, Sean and I 405 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: got in a little bit of an argument because the 406 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 2: jury was still pending, and I said, look, I'm holding 407 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: out hope that maybe one juror will say no and 408 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: there'll be a hung jury. And I'll tell you Sean 409 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: laughed at me and he said, no, New York is 410 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: too far gone. It's not gonna happen. Donald Trump cannot 411 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: get a fair trial in New York. And I didn't 412 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: want to believe it. I gotta say Sean was right. 413 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: This this justice system, the justice system, I don't know 414 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: that it ever recovers from this. It will always be 415 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: known as a Democrat, but that a Republican. If you're 416 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: a Republican in New York. There are a lot of 417 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 2: in New York who are calling their real estate agents 418 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: who are looking to leave New York. If they say, okay, 419 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: you cannot count on the rule of law in this state. 420 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: I understand the sentiment. If they're going to burn it down, 421 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: we ought to burn it down in the views our power. 422 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: I don't agree with that. I I at the end 423 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: of the day, I believe in the Constitution, I believe 424 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: in the rule of law. I don't want power of 425 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: views by either side, now, but me that that you 426 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: give the other side a pre past my view. I've 427 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: said many times I don't want a Republican Department of Justice. 428 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: I don't want a Democrat Department of Justice. I want 429 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: a Department of Justice that follows the law and that 430 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: prosecutes the individuals who commit crimes, regardless of their party. So, 431 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: for example, I hope if we in January we have 432 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: a new president, if Donald Trump is reelected, which is 433 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 2: what I hope will happen, and we have a new 434 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: Department of Justice. I hope right at the outset, they 435 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: open investigations into the fundings of these anti American and 436 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: anti Israel and anti Semitic protests on college campuses, and 437 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: they trace down, follow the money, and they find out 438 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: our terrorists finding financing this, our foreign countries financing this. 439 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: I hope they use the full investigatory resources of the 440 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 2: Department of Justice to get to the bottom of that. Now, 441 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 2: note I'm not saying that because I have a target 442 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: I want to put in jail. I'm saying that because 443 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: I see the evidence of a crime, and I want 444 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: the Justice Department to investigate that crime and to prosecute 445 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: whoever is guilty, and sadly, I don't believe the Justice 446 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: Department is prosecuting that crime right now, because the flip 447 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: side of what they're doing is they will abuse power 448 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: to target their enemies, and they will also so abuse 449 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: power by protecting their friends. And so I get the 450 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: vindictive instinct, but I think it's the wrong answer. I 451 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 2: think we should demonstrate that the rule of law matters. 452 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: And by the way, there is plenty of real criminality 453 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: that prosecutors can pursue without engaging in the blatant abuse 454 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: of power we've seen from Democrats in these cases against 455 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. 456 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the politics of what we 457 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: mentioned the very beginning. We know from the White House 458 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: that the words that we're going to hear over and 459 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: over again between now and November fifth are convicted felon, convicted, felon, 460 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: convicted felon. 461 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 2: There is a convicted fella. 462 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly. So how powerful is that going to 463 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: be politically? It is clearly engaged people today on Trump's side. 464 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: I had two people walk up to me today this 465 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: afternoon and they said, I've never given a political donation 466 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: in my life, but damn it tonight when the website 467 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: gets back up. It crashed multiple times because some of 468 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: you were going to donate. They said, I'm going to 469 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: write a big check. And one of them said to me, 470 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm you know how much I'm going to donate. Seventeen 471 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: seventy six. That's my number I'm donating. And this is 472 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: someone that had never donated, he said, in his entire 473 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: life to any political campaign, local, state, or national. And 474 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: he said, this is our country under siege, and I'm 475 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: going to get involved now. Now, I think there's a 476 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: lot of patriots out there and new patriots who are 477 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: going to probably make that decision. But there's also center 478 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: the other side. Democrats are going to be inspired by this. 479 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: It's no longer looking at an incompetent Joe Biden. Their 480 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: hatred for Donald Trump is now back front and center. 481 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, look that this will inspire both sides. I don't 482 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: believe this decision will change the outcome of the life 483 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: in no effort. I think it's baked in the in 484 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: the cake. I think rabbit partisan Democrats hate Trump so 485 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: much they were going to vote against them in November. 486 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: They're still going to vote against him, and and and 487 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: and this that this is revenge born for them, that 488 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: that that they're just living their fantasy. Uh. In terms 489 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: of Republicans, I think this energizes Republicans. You're right that 490 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: the Trump website collapse win Read, which is the portal 491 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: to contribute to Trump to Republican senators. That portal collapsed tonight. 492 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people went and said, 493 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: I want to contribute to the Republicans who are running 494 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: this cycle precisely because of that. I think this will 495 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: energize Republicans, and this may well energize people. Let's say 496 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: you're not a Donald Trump. Then let's say you say 497 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: you don't particularly like it. Maybe you're strongly apart. If 498 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: you care about the rule of law, you ought to 499 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: be outreaking about this. If you care about actually a 500 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: justice system that is not simply a tool to attack 501 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: your enemies, you ought to be horrified by this. Because listen, 502 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: you go down a Latin America, you'd have a banana Republics. 503 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 2: My dad's from Cuba. Cuba understands what happened to night. 504 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: There are banana Republics throughout this country that understand what 505 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: happened to night, which is one party gets in power, 506 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: and they use the justice system to try to lock 507 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 2: up their predecessors, to try to lock up their opponents. 508 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: If you don't want that to happen to America, even 509 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: if you might even despise Donald Trump, you should be 510 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: very upset about what happened tonight. The Democrats calculus at 511 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: the beginning of this is that there would be two 512 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: to three to five percent of voters who are not 513 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: very engaged, who are not paying attention, a lot who 514 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: will decide the last couple of weeks before election day. 515 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: And if they hear the word fella fellon Felon repeated 516 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: a gazillion times, we'll say, oh, I can't vote for 517 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: a felon, and so we'll vote for by it. I'm 518 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: really skeptical. I don't think it's played out that way. 519 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: I think most Americans, other than the rabid Democrat partisans, 520 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: recognized this was a political persecution and and and so 521 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 2: I don't see this changing votes. And I think even 522 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: some Democrats and some in the media have backed away 523 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: from their fervor from this because they see it backfired 524 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: to some extent now not tonight. They're not backing away 525 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: because they're too jubilant this is too much. This is cathartic, 526 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: and this is ecstasy, and this is shoden Freud, all 527 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 2: unfolding at once. But at the end of the day, 528 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: I don't see this changing the outcome on election Day. 529 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: You've been in a lot of debates, Senator, and you've 530 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: been on the president of debate stage. You debated Donald Trump. 531 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: But I and I've I've one of my things that 532 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: I love is debate prep. And I was putting myself 533 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: in the room tonight mentally. All right, if I'm in 534 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: the room before the debate with Joe Biden, I know 535 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden at some point is going to look over 536 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: at Donald Trump and say, well, you're a convicted felon. 537 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: How does Trump respond to that? And that's I mean, 538 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: that's a pretty hardcore line that they have been obsessed 539 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: with and they've got it. Now, how do you overcome 540 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: that when there's people watching that I'm sure are going 541 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: to watch this thing and maybe just engage the very 542 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: first time. Weren't watching the trial. Don't understand how corrupt 543 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: it was, don't understand how these charges shouldn't have ever 544 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: been used, how they change things to get rid of 545 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: the statue limitations, how the federal government didn't bring these 546 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: charges eight years ago for a reason. I mean, all 547 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: of that they've missed, and they look at the president 548 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: sitting president, Look at Donald Drungle. You're a convicted felon. 549 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: What do you do with that? 550 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: Well, Look, I think the Biden debate prep team, he's 551 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: going to spend a lot of time trying to convince 552 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: fides and try to help Biden not to seem like 553 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: a smug s op. His instinct is going to be 554 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: smug and sanctimonias and to rub Trump's face, Trump's face 555 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: in it. I think that is a bad look for Biden. 556 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: If he doesn't, my prediction is they'll fail by the 557 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: way that Biden can't resist being smug and sanctimonious on this, 558 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: I think he probably just will. But if his debate 559 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: prep team is any good, they will try to get 560 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: him to resist that. On Trump's side on this whole 561 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 2: topic and more broadly, on everything in the debate, I 562 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: think they're going to try to stop Trump from just 563 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 2: being volcanically anxious. Look, Trump typically engages in very little 564 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: debate prep. He is not. You're right, I have debated 565 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 2: Trump many, many, many times. He doesn't engage in extensive 566 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: debate prep to the Instead they have debate prap. I 567 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: think the team around him, if they're any good, likely 568 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: will try to get him to be calm and matter 569 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 2: of fact and not angry and cambative. If you go 570 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 2: back and look at the twenty twenty debates, the first debate, 571 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: Trump was angry and combative. That many observers believe that 572 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 2: that hurt Trump because he was too angry and combative 573 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: in the debate. I think that will be an instinct here. 574 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 2: And Trump has reason to be pissed. Look, he was 575 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 2: just railroad. He was railroaded by a kangaroo court. Any 576 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: natural person and any person's natural reaction would be pissed. 577 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 2: And Trump is not someone who generally hides his emotions. 578 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 2: You know, I'm reminded of back back in two thousand. 579 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 2: So we were talking about Bush versus Four earlier in 580 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 2: the Pods. After Bush one, after the Spring Court resolved 581 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: the case, and after he came in, he appointed his 582 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: Attorney General, John Ashcroft, And I was part of the 583 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: team that promp John Ashcroft for his confirmation hearings, and 584 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 2: so we voted John Ashcroft multiple times for his confirmation 585 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: hearings the Attorney General and you know, I'm young at 586 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: this point, thirty year old lawyer, and there were several 587 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: of us in the room. But we would try to 588 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: get a noxious with Ashcroft and the preparation for confirmation. 589 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 2: We try to piss him off, we try to insult it. 590 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: And in the prop sessions he would blow his top. 591 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 2: He'd yell at us and get mad. And we were 592 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 2: asking if noxious questions and he would scream at us, 593 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 2: and then we'd say, okay, senator can be a senator. 594 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 2: At the time with his senator, I get what you're saying. 595 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 2: You're right, that was a totally unfair question. It is 596 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 2: completely wrong. You are perfectly justified yelling with us. Here's 597 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: the problem. They don't have the votes to beat you 598 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 2: right now. The only way they'd beat your confirmation is 599 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 2: if they provoked you to say something stupid at the 600 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 2: hearing and what you say, thanks your nomination. And so 601 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 2: we worked with him. We said, Okay, yell at us, 602 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 2: get all of your anger out of us. But when 603 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: you get into hearing, don't yell at the senators. Give 604 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 2: them nothing because they have nothing to defeat you, and 605 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 2: they can only win as if you could give it 606 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 2: to them. So you fast forward to the hearing, and 607 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: you had Democrat senators that just made fool to themselves. 608 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 2: I remember Ted Kennedy at one point leaning forward, he 609 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 2: was reading something Ashcroft has read about the Second Amendment, 610 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 2: and he talked about the Second Amendment being as the 611 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 2: Framers as James Pattison, another Framers wrote about it a 612 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: check on tyranny. And Ted Kennedy and his Boston Brahmin 613 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 2: boye goes tarranny in the United States. What you know 614 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 2: what that is? That is treason, I tell you treason. 615 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 2: And John Ashcroft, to his credit, he had Ted Kennedy 616 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: screaming at him and calling him a trainer. And John 617 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 2: Ashcroft said, senator gets confirmed as Attorney General, I will 618 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 2: follow the law. And I don't know that. His heartbeat 619 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: got about sixty five and he got confirmed. You know, 620 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 2: John Ashcroft, Well you and here are good friends. 621 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one of my mentors. 622 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 2: Yes, his confirmation hearing, he didn't take debate, I promise you. 623 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 2: In the prep sessions he did it got it out 624 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: of his system. I think the Trump debate prep sessions 625 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: will be similar. They will try to get that out 626 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 2: of his system. I don't know if it will succeed 627 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 2: or not. 628 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: Final question for you on this, and it deals with 629 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: the presidency and Joe Biden. I don't know how you 630 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: can separate what this judge did from the corruption of 631 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: the Biden White House. We know the attorneys that left 632 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: the DOJD go work on this case. We know that 633 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg ran on this. We know he raised money 634 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: off of it. We know that this judge UH has 635 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: as a as a daughter that's heavily involved in fundraising 636 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. 637 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 2: UH. 638 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 1: And this all was orchestrated from from the Biden administration down. 639 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: Now they're trying to act like now they're sprit from 640 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: it like this is we stood back. We were just 641 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: watching the wills of justice and and and and and 642 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: a man be found accountable by a jury of his peers. 643 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: That is clearly going to be their line. But make 644 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: no mistake, none of this would have happened without the 645 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: direction UH of Biden. I said today, America has its 646 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: own Vladimir Putin. Now his name is is Biden. Joe 647 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: Biden is America's Putin right now, going after his political 648 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: opponent and trying to lock them up. 649 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 2: You know, in law, if you look at something like 650 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 2: anti trust law, there's a concepts in law called conscious parallelism, 651 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 2: which is people that all have similar incentives behaving similarly. 652 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 2: But it's not a conspiracy. They just all are acting 653 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 2: according to the same incentives. I don't know that Alvin 654 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 2: Bragg is taking orders from the Biden White House. I 655 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 2: agree that the Biden Joe Biden has been dictatorially, he's 656 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 2: abused his power. But I think Alvin Bragg is a 657 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 2: petty dictator of his own. He's George sorows Da. He 658 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 2: ran on getting Joe Biden. You know, when his was 659 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 2: the first indictment, I think a lot of Democrats were 660 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 2: kind of sheepish. They said, Okay, this one is really sketchy. 661 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 2: They didn't want this to be the lead case. And look, ultimately, 662 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: the bidend OJ they sent the number three lawyer at DOJ, 663 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 2: who had been a Democrat donor before in a Democrat comsultant. 664 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 2: They sent him to be part of the trial team. 665 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 2: So the Biden d OJ got in bed with the 666 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 2: partisan prosecution. But but I'm not convinced that Alvin Bragg 667 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 2: did so at the direction of the White House. I 668 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 2: just think he hates Trump's guts, So does everyone in 669 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 2: the Biden, the Oja Biden, the White House, so does 670 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 2: Fanny Willits down in Georgia, so does just about every 671 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 2: wild eyed partisan Democrat. And so I wouldn't say it 672 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 2: as as much a direction from the White House as 673 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 2: that they're all suffering from the same Trump derangement syndrome 674 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 2: where they're willing to burn it all down, to destroy 675 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 2: the rule of law, to abuse the justice system because 676 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: they hate Trump so much, and they've convinced themselves if 677 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 2: he is re elected, if he's president, it's the end 678 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: of democracy. I mean, we played on Wednesday's pod Robert 679 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 2: de Niro going on and on that'll be the last 680 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 2: election ever if Trump is elected, which is just it's deranged, 681 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 2: it's unhing. But I don't think de Niro is lying 682 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 2: and that I think he believes every word he said. 683 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 2: I suspect Alvin Bractas too, and I suspect the Biden, 684 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 2: the White House that DFJ does as well. 685 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: Final question, you're a poll guy. I love polls. I 686 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: want your prediction. The first major polls that come out 687 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: after this verdict has obviously come down, will they show 688 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump starts to lose momentum. Do you think 689 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: he'll go backwards in the polls nationally or in swing states? 690 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: Do you think this could even backfire more because you 691 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: did say, and I agreed with you, that if they 692 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: indict make him more powerful, his poll numbers would go up. 693 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: That happen when the court case started. You said, it's 694 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: going to make people solidify their support behind Donald Trump. 695 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: But now that he has the he's a convicted felon 696 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 1: around his neck, and that what happens in the polls. 697 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 2: So when the indictment first came down, the first indictment, 698 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 2: I said on this podcast, this indictment will be worth 699 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 2: ten points for Donald Trump in the polls. Now that's 700 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: in the progress. A week later, Trump was up ten. 701 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 2: That prediction proved exactly accurate. Now, to be fair, that's 702 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 2: a primary poll. Primary polls are different than general election polls, 703 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 2: and so it caused Republicans to rally around Trump, even 704 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,879 Speaker 2: some Republicans who were not supporting Trump at that time. 705 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 2: The general election, it's a little harder. I think most 706 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 2: of the views on both sides are baked in. But 707 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 2: if you forced me to make a prediction, my prediction 708 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 2: right now is Trump. I think it is pildly beneficial 709 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 2: for Trump and the polls. I don't think it is 710 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 2: major league because I think most of the people on 711 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 2: both sides are baked in and it almost doesn't matter 712 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 2: at this point. They're not moving. But if you press me, 713 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 2: I would say, I don't think it's going to cause 714 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 2: hilling the polls. And I would say I think it's 715 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 2: likely to be a mild positive benefit for Trump and 716 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 2: the polls, and he's already leading the polls right now. 717 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a shocking day. It's a sad day 718 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: for this Country Center. I love doing this show with 719 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: you three days a week. 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