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Speaker 2: Evan Lazar, Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two with you

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday this morning because uh, you know, as as

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Speaker 2: contract extension, So we'll get to that we might have

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Speaker 2: I want to start with the Remindra Stevenson extension, since

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Speaker 2: that's the news and we weren't on the air for that,

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Speaker 2: should say, and you know me, Alex, this is this

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Speaker 2: The analytics nerd and with me on Reminder Stevenson's telling

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Speaker 2: me warning, warning, right, don't give running back second contracts.

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Speaker 2: Don't give twenty six year old running back seventeen million

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Speaker 2: from his breakout season two years ago. This is typically

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Speaker 2: something that I would label bad business. There's just no

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Speaker 2: So it's tough to look at this deal as somebody

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Speaker 2: The other side of it for the Patriots, though, is

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Speaker 2: So they're trying to set a new precedent. They're trying

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Speaker 2: So I hear what they're doing. I see what they're

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Speaker 2: And on top of all of that, you look at

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's not. Some runners will gain more yards

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Speaker 1: I just you know, uh, this is good the Danny,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, but I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think it's I don't think it's as simple as well.

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Speaker 1: They if they improve the offensive line, the running back

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Speaker 2: That's fair. But do you feel like Grimandra Stevenson is

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Speaker 2: what is there in terms of the blocking and all

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Speaker 1: To do that though, like there's other ways, he's a

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Speaker 1: But I guess if I can just drop my take

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Speaker 1: it's twelve hundred yards as the marker. He ran for

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Speaker 1: he does that, yeah, he's worth thirty six million dollars

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Speaker 1: over four years. Absolutely he is. He's not gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna get all that money. This is why

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Speaker 1: I can't get worked up about it. The guarantee money

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Speaker 1: comes out to about four and a half a year. Also,

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Speaker 1: know how these contracts work. There's two years. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a two year. Maybe there's some guaranteed

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Speaker 1: so this should not At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: they were gonna need another running back. We can debate

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Speaker 1: the merit of should they have gone back, should they

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Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson and a rookie become the two guys. We

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Speaker 1: But they didn't exactly give him the Saquon Barkley contract,

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Speaker 1: Like this should not prevent them from because I see

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you gonna have to pay Drake May Eventually, No,

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Speaker 1: if this prevents them from doing any of that, there

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Speaker 1: is a bigger problem than simply the contract, because this

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Speaker 1: the seventh highest paid running back in football, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, that's based on this year's standards. The extension

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Speaker 1: But four and a half shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: But it's not about the cap though, it's not.

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Speaker 2: But I still would not argue to Berner a high

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Speaker 1: It all comes down to what you think of ramondre Stevenson.

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't kick until twenty twenty five. So what

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Speaker 2: No, but you still he plays. But you know what

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Speaker 1: And I think that's all fallacy to an extent. To

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean maybe I would have to

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Speaker 2: I would rather them. Okay, but I hear you and

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Speaker 1: And I knew.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, here's here's behind him. Wo's gonna

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Speaker 1: Jamior Gibbs is a second year player. He's not getting

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Speaker 1: he's not good. Traves Cytn is not getting seventeen million

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Speaker 2: No, he's not.

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Speaker 1: He might. He's a decent player.

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Speaker 2: He's hurt his entire rookie season.

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Speaker 1: I mean Breice Hall will see with the injury. Kenneth

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Speaker 2: I'll give you this. The running back market in free

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Speaker 1: So that's my other pets going if if they were

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Speaker 1: Let's say they went in to this offseason and said

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Speaker 1: should they or should they not have out of it

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Speaker 1: His value is only going to go up. Even if

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Speaker 2: Now. He looked great in the spring for what it's

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Speaker 2: I'm worried about with Ramandre is that if the offensive

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Speaker 2: there are people that think that it's definitely not going

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Speaker 2: really point to with that is that he wasn't breaking tackles.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't creating yards after contact at the same rate

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Speaker 1: Well, there's also an element of I think teams were

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Speaker 2: So, maybe teams are selling out, Maybe he was getting

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Speaker 2: contacted earlier, you know, the less There are some data

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Speaker 2: Otherwise they're gonna have an overpay on their salary. They

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Speaker 2: just are now. I like Rimandre. This is why I

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Speaker 1: So everything you tell me, you watch it on tape.

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Speaker 1: He's a good player. You see him interacting in the

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Speaker 2: Good player on the decline. That's what they tell me,

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Speaker 2: because if you add it up.

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Speaker 1: But no, the imaginary numbers out of it.

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Speaker 2: But you last week you told me that receivers drop

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, and

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Speaker 1: then you get out of the contract. That's exactly what

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Speaker 2: I hope. So if that's the way that if that's true,

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Speaker 2: and that's the way the cash flow really works out,

433
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: then you're gonna be right. They'll they'll be able to

434
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Speaker 2: get out of it. And I hate talking like this

435
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 2: because I don't want it to sound like I'm killing Grimandre,

436
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 2: because I understand all the things that you're saying, and

437
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 2: I under and I do think that he's a good

438
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: guy and a good a good teammate, a good player,

439
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: all those things. I just I always will always worry

440
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 2: about paying the second contract on a running back, I always.

441
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: I and I get that, But I'm saying, as far

442
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: as it goes, the risk here is so minimal, so minimal.

443
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 1: They didn't pay him a ton of money. We both

444
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: think they'll probably be able to get out of it

445
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: relatively early. Like, I just don't. I'm not sitting here saying,

446
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 1: what a brilliant move, Oh my god, I'm just sitting

447
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: here saying like, I don't. I don't know. I don't

448
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: think there's a ton of downside to it. I don't see.

449
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a point we end up regretting

450
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: this contract.

451
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: Do you regret juju?

452
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: I regret juju in the sense that because that's the downside,

453
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 1: I think it's much easier, but juju, you can't. It's

454
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: like nine million in dead cap on that.

455
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: There will be in the beginning of Romandre's deal. If

456
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Speaker 2: Remandre has the same exact season this year that he

457
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: had last year.

458
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: Well, so this is this is let me make one.

459
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 2: You have to bank, you have to bank your banking.

460
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying you, I'm more they are banking

461
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: on the fact that he's going to give them, really

462
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 2: three more productive years because the extension doesn't kick him

463
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: this year, so you're really talking about three more seasons

464
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 2: where they feel like Ramandre Stevenson is going to be

465
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Speaker 2: worth the money.

466
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Speaker 1: So this is this is let me add this one.

467
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Speaker 1: Take on it. Then how many times the last two years?

468
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: Three years? Have you heard me? Yeah? Really two years,

469
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: I guess. Go on and on and on about how

470
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: they need to stop running him into the ground, they

471
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: need to give other running backs touches, he's doing too much,

472
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: and the whole thing about, well, yeah, he's good now,

473
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 1: but when you get to December and you need him,

474
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: and what's happened? Every year they run him into the

475
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: ground and he's toast. By the end of the year,

476
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Speaker 1: he's top ten touches. You you're to get more out

477
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: of him using him a little less, and that's nothing

478
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: against him. That's all of these backs that finish the

479
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: year top ten and touches. Look at their numbers in

480
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: December and January. They're never good. That's why the Titans

481
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: always struggled with Dereck Henry. That's why the part of

482
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: the reason the Cowboys struggled to get over the top

483
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: was Zeke, because they would just just grind these guys

484
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: into the ground and that was it. So this is

485
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: where a guy like Antonio Gibson and a new coaching

486
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: staff with a new approach, let's lessen the I know

487
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: they just paid him, and this is gonna sound counter productive,

488
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: but lessen the workload a little bit, and I think

489
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna get more bang for your buck. He may run,

490
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: let's say he you know, call it four and a

491
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: half yards to carry, I'd rather it be. Or let's

492
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: say he runs for a thousand yards. Get the If

493
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: it's a few less yards but more yards per carry

494
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: and you're getting capable play. For Antonio Gibson, that's a

495
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: much better way to do it. So I do think

496
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: there is an element of protector investment. I think it's

497
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: different from ju Ju because you out a bad knee

498
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: and they should have figured that out. Or maybe it's

499
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: snuck up on him. I don't know. As far as

500
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: we know. Reminder, Stevenson's healthy. He's told us he's healthy.

501
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I know he heard his ankle last year.

502
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: But he was a full participant in the spring. Juju

503
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: wasn't last year. He didn't participate in the spring. I

504
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: think he's healthy. If he's healthy, and they you know,

505
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: with this system, they tweak the offensive line, which you're

506
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: a big believer in. Scott Peters is going to figure

507
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: it out. I do think they get you know, one too,

508
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: two and a half solid eyes. I don't know about

509
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: all pro, but solid ears out of him. And if

510
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: you get that great solid contract.

511
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, I I'm all you know me,

512
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna repeat it. I'm always gonna be wary of

513
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: running backs, big investment.

514
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: Right, he say that, But but you can't you say that,

515
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: and then we'd be here in the spring and I'd

516
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: be saying we need to consider some of these day

517
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: two running back.

518
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: I would take a running back. No, No, you'd be

519
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: not with their first two picks if they want to

520
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: pick a running back in the third or fourth round.

521
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: That's you refused to talk about Donovan Edwards last year.

522
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that would have been ridiculous to do that.

523
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: Last year.

524
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even talk about him as a player, forget.

525
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: In reference to the Patriots.

526
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's be ridiculous for them to take a

527
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: running back. Lass.

528
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: I know. Not in I'm saying in the context of

529
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: the NFL, you refuse to talk about Edwards. It was

530
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percentury. No, it was we can the tape

531
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: on that. You can if you want.

532
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: I refuse to talk about running backs for the Patriots

533
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: because when you have needs us back, wide, receiver, left tackle,

534
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: and you want to talk to me about taking a

535
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: running back with one of your first four picks.

536
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: No, and sorry, not Donovan Edwards, Blake Korb.

537
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 2: No, I'm not doing that.

538
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: But how high did Blake Korman end up going on

539
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: top one hundred?

540
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: Exactly? So what are we talking?

541
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: No, we were doing our thing.

542
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: No, camp, you can't sit here. That's not what I'm saying.

543
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. We were doing our positional thing,

544
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: and we got to the running backs and you're like,

545
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna skip the top because the Patriots. And I said,

546
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: just as a football analyst having watched these guys.

547
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 2: But this is this is what I say. I said,

548
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: I don't got time to talk about football, but we

549
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: know this show educational.

550
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: We're trying to get people ready for the I said,

551
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: say one nice thing about Blake Krum and you could

552
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: not be bothered to do that. And now you're sitting

553
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: here telling me that I don't.

554
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: Have anything nice to say about him. He's a five

555
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: foot eight running back. I hope it works out for him.

556
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: He's he's good.

557
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: He's fine.

558
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: He didn't even he wasn't even the first running say something.

559
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: He wasn't even the first running back off That was incorrect.

560
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: He was here RB one. He was he was And

561
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: you won't say something nice. To say something nice, all right,

562
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: and your promise he's five foot eight. Say something nice

563
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: about Deon Lewis.

564
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: I could say a lot of nice things about Dion Lewis,

565
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: but I think Dean Lewis was a different player.

566
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: He's a completely different player, but he just throughout five.

567
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 2: Eight, Deon Lewis was a guy, and let's be fair,

568
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: as good as Deon Lewis was for three years, two years,

569
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: whatever it was. His size eventually caught up to him

570
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: and he was not a good player when he signed

571
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: with the Titans on that second contract.

572
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: He just wasn't so all right. Well, if you're trying

573
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: to use that back from Andre Stevenson, yeah, Dean Lewis

574
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: a different idea, a lot more hesitant paying Dean Lewis

575
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: he weigh one hundred and fifty pounds.

576
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: Well, there we go. This is all it's all the same.

577
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: I just I know you you would be complaining about

578
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: having to talk You may be okay with it, but

579
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: you would be complaining about having to talk about running

580
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: backs in the first two rounds if they hadn't paid

581
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: him in the first two rounds.

582
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: I agree, but you wouldn't be able to ignore the

583
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 2: need at that point. If you had all you had

584
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: under contract going into twenty twenty five was Antonio Gibson,

585
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: we would have to talk about running back.

586
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's my point. It's all you did was

587
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: and I know this crawls under people's skin, but we

588
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: do this with other positions. All you did was give

589
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: up money. You didn't give up draft capital. All you

590
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: did was give up money.

591
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: It's not nothing. It's not money. Look, I've learned one

592
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: thing about this team and about other teams in this town.

593
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: I won't name names, that all of it is one

594
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: big pie, right And whether it's sad.

595
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: It's very different here than the other team you're referencing.

596
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: Sure, but you can't. It's not about the salary cap.

597
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: They have all the salary cap space in the world

598
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: to spend that. That is not the problem. The problem

599
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: is is that when you earmark this piece of the

600
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: pie to Remandra Stevenson, now it's a little bit less

601
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: to give elsewhere, and that type of stuff does end

602
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: up catching up to them. It does end up mattering

603
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: whether we want to talk about that, you have that

604
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: conversation or not, or be honest about it or not.

605
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: There's a budget, and eventually the budget runs dry and

606
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: they are going to look at it and say, we

607
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: have too much invested. There's two this is our cap.

608
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: To Higgins, we will pay Tea against twenty five million

609
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: dollars a year, but if somebody offers him twenty eight

610
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, we're not going to thirty. And

611
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: that's how these things work. And Okay, but that's not

612
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: really the reason why I don't like the contract. But

613
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: that's just like a side piece of it. The reason

614
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: why I don't like the contract is because I hate

615
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: running backs. I hate paying running backs. I hate investing

616
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: high picks and running backs. I hate both.

617
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: The So, no matter what, you were gonna hate what

618
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: they did unless they drafted a guy in the seventh round.

619
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: No, if they drafted a guy in the middle rounds

620
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: like they did with Ramondre Stevenson in the first place,

621
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: and they drafted a guy in the fourth round like

622
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: they did with Remandre or the third round like they

623
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: did with Damien Harris, then it would have been fine.

624
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: When they drafted Sony Michelle as much as Sony Michelle

625
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: didn't work out, Hello, Matt, as much as Sony Michelle

626
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: didn't work out. Yeah, they were in a position as

627
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: an organization to make luxury draft picks at that point. Sure,

628
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: Oh kind of they were. They were they were, Yet

629
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: they were pushing all in. They were, thank you, sir.

630
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: They were pushing all in to maximize Brady's window. We

631
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: know that. That's what Bill said a million lamps, So

632
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: that was fine. But this is a different situation. I

633
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: hope it works out and it's not the bag on Andre.

634
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: I'm just I am never going to move on the

635
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: running backs. We we are gonna argue about this until

636
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: we're we're eighty years old, still doing this show, probably.

637
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: And I think if you have a super strong feeling

638
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: about this move, it's it's so I don't want to

639
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: say minor league, but like, there's not enough here to

640
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: get worked up about.

641
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: To me, Yeah, you just knew I was gonna hate

642
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: the running backs. You knew it.

643
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: But somebody has to play running back. You know. You

644
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: just want them. You just want them to run it.

645
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: You just want them to run. Oh one personnel all

646
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: the time, get the running back. You want them to

647
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: treat running backs like, wow, am I blanket on his name?

648
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: The coach from Tampa Like you want them to treat

649
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Speaker 1: running backs like Bruce Arians treats tight ends irrelevant unless

650
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Speaker 1: you have the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 2: No. I just am fully aware that, like I said earlier,

652
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Speaker 2: the vast majority of running backs are replaceable. There's a

653
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Speaker 2: handful of running backs that I would look at in

654
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Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things of the NFL that I

655
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Speaker 2: would say that guy is special. That guy is different

656
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Speaker 2: from everybody else. You know, I love.

657
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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey's he's at the top of the list. Different,

658
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Speaker 1: he's different. Yeah, he's a different kind of cat. That's

659
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Speaker 1: an offensive weapon. That's a whole different ballgame and what

660
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Speaker 1: we're talking about. If you're on the Christian McCaffrey level,

661
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Speaker 1: then fine. But they didn't pay remonder seasons.

662
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Speaker 2: Of course not because that would be ridiculous. But the

663
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Speaker 2: point is is that every single other running back, for

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Speaker 2: the most part, what we have learned over time, is replaceable.

665
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Speaker 2: No Ladaanian Tomlinson is not replaceable. Christian McCaffrey is not replaceable.

666
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Speaker 2: I think remondros Stevenson is right on the line. He's

667
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Speaker 2: right on the line, all right, So why not why not?

668
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Speaker 2: See we'll see why not?

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Speaker 1: See? Well, I mean we we both know what a

670
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Speaker 1: coin flip draft picks are. So if you're gonna take

671
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Speaker 1: the coin flip, I'll pay a little more. And the

672
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Speaker 1: other thing, it's not it's not eight million or nothing

673
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Speaker 1: to pay the draft pick too. In realities, you probably

674
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Speaker 1: have to multiple guys. You still have to bring in

675
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Speaker 1: another veteran on top of that to head your bats.

676
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Speaker 1: I'll pay a little more and find out.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to this tidy little bit

678
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Speaker 2: of breaking news. So the Patriots have officially released their

679
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Speaker 2: training camp dates. We got all of them all at once,

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Speaker 2: and is.

681
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Speaker 1: This album or is it just through.

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Speaker 2: This is a This might be all of the open practice.

683
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Speaker 2: There's thirteen dates on here. Usually it's we get fifteen practices,

684
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Speaker 2: but sometimes after the preseason game, first preseason game, those

685
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Speaker 2: are closed to the public but open to the media

686
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Speaker 2: for a couple extra days. So long story short, you

687
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Speaker 2: can go on Patriots dot com or on our socials

688
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Speaker 2: and see the entire thirteen dates that are available, but

689
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Speaker 2: a few highlights here. The first training camp practice of

690
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Speaker 2: the year is July twenty fourth. Wednesday July twenty fourth

691
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Speaker 2: at eleven am. That's another thing. All these practices are

692
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Speaker 2: at eleven am, which is nice, but also for us

693
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Speaker 2: it has some downsize too because we'll be here later

694
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Speaker 2: in the day. But the Bill used to do practice

695
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Speaker 2: nine nine to fifteen something around there, so these are

696
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Speaker 2: a little bit later later start to the day. So

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Speaker 2: Wednesday July twenty fourth is the first day of training camp.

698
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Speaker 2: A few other highlights. July twenty eighth is a Sunday,

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Speaker 2: there'll be a practice on that day. August third is

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Speaker 2: a Saturday, There'll be a practice on that day. I

701
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Speaker 2: know a lot of people like those weekends because you know,

702
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Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about work and camp, school whatever.

703
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Speaker 2: So there's a couple. There are a couple of weekend dates.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles joint practices aren't on here yet yet. It

705
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Speaker 2: is last one on there says joint practice. Oh, I

706
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Speaker 2: didn't see the very fine print. So August thirteenth, on Tuesday,

707
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Speaker 2: August thirteenth, last, well, the very last open practice will

708
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Speaker 2: be a joint practice with the Philadelphia Eagles. They're only

709
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Speaker 2: doing one as of right now. The this is more anecdotal.

710
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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's ever done a study on this.

711
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Speaker 2: But the second day of joint practices is when it

712
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Speaker 2: gets chippy.

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Speaker 1: The year with the Panthers, when it started right right away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first day of joint practices is usually when

715
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Speaker 2: they lay the groundwork of people getting a little bit chippy.

716
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Speaker 2: The second day of joint practices is usually when you

717
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Speaker 2: see those those brawls and stuff like that. So most coaches,

718
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: most teams have decided that one is the is the

719
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Speaker 2: max we're gonna do one day. We're gonna get a

720
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Speaker 2: good days working and then that will be it. That'll

721
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Speaker 2: be a big day that Those are big days for

722
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Speaker 2: Drake May, especially to see if if he gets a

723
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Speaker 2: ton of reps that day and he does well with

724
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Speaker 2: those reps, that's gonna go a long way in terms

725
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Speaker 2: of him starting early on during the regular season. So

726
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Speaker 2: those are training camp dates. Again, All practices are at

727
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Speaker 2: eleven AM this year, and it starts on July twenty fourth,

728
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Speaker 2: a Wednesday will be the very first practice of the summer.

729
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Speaker 2: Keep in mind, just a little inside baseball, those first

730
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Speaker 2: couple of practices are essentially an extension of OTAs they're

731
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Speaker 2: not padded. It's a ramp up period.

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Speaker 1: First padded practice is probably gonna be Sunday the twenty

733
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Speaker 1: eighth or Monday the twenty ninth. I believe it's gotta

734
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Speaker 1: be Monday, does it okay?

735
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Speaker 2: Because you have it's a five day ramp up period

736
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Speaker 2: with a mandatory off day, which is Saturday in this case.

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Speaker 1: Feel like they added day to that every year, So.

738
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Speaker 2: It's it's five days Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or the first

739
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Speaker 2: three days that will not be in pads. Then break Saturday,

740
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Speaker 2: come back Sunday for the fifth day, and then Monday

741
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: should be the pad to day. I believe you could

742
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Speaker 2: be right, though these rules are it's always one.

743
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Speaker 1: It's always weird, right, That's why I said Sunday Monday,

744
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Speaker 1: and then assuming they still do the d Stadium practice, Yeah,

745
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Speaker 1: I would think. So we were talking about this, Yesterday

746
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Speaker 1: used to always be the end of that first full week,

747
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Speaker 1: the last practice, yes, which was always a Friday. They'd

748
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Speaker 1: always be off that Saturday. This year, they're practicing on Saturday.

749
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if they'll do it Friday night

750
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Speaker 1: and then practice Saturday, if they'll just do it Saturday

751
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Speaker 1: night and still do it to end the week because

752
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Speaker 1: they're off on Sunday. But I would guess August second,

753
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Speaker 1: August third probably in there if they do it.

754
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Speaker 2: Yes, which will be season ticket holders Foxburg residents, as

755
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Speaker 2: it always is. I have no, I'm not one hundred

756
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: percent sure. I'm not confirming anything that they're doing that still,

757
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Speaker 2: but we believe they probably will, so you'll probably get

758
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Speaker 2: something about that.

759
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Well, look, I'll say this if we want to actually,

760
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Speaker 1: you know, put on the analyst hat for a second

761
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Speaker 1: on this. Uh, there's gonna be a kicker competition, and

762
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: that is the don't laugh, I'm laughing. Don't laugh. You know,

763
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: that's the big special teams practice. We always talk about

764
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Speaker 1: this with site lines and wind tunnels and things like that.

765
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Speaker 1: If you're gonna have a kicker competition, yeah, I'd like

766
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Speaker 1: to seem kicking the stadium. Now. Look, Quinn Ortine's legendary

767
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Speaker 1: ten for ten performance never mounted.

768
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Speaker 2: That's why I laughed, because, let's face it, hey, that

769
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Speaker 2: was legendary.

770
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Speaker 1: We all remember where we were.

771
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Speaker 2: We all remember where we were.

772
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Speaker 1: When Quinn Ortin went ten for ten in the Gillette

773
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Speaker 1: Stadium into practice.

774
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Speaker 2: I'm genuinely curious where the listeners if they remember where.

775
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Speaker 1: They remember where you were. Seven old moments in Patriots history,

776
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: the comeback from down twenty eight three, Drew Bledze coming

777
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: back in against the Steelers in the AFC Championship, and

778
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Speaker 1: Quinn Nordin you t.

779
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Speaker 2: Ten put it up there in twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 1: Yep, the Mac Jones Giants joint practice. Okay, we all

781
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Speaker 1: remember that for that one. I'll remember that one because

782
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Speaker 1: that was special. No, I remember you fought for a

783
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Speaker 1: second there. That Mac Jones was the next droop. I

784
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Speaker 1: mean he was out there. That's the same offseason, isn't

785
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Speaker 1: it was Nordean twenty one or twenty two.

786
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Speaker 2: Well, twenty would have been closed right when he wasn't

787
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Speaker 2: twenty right, I was closed, so it must have been

788
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Speaker 2: twenty one. Yeah, nordeen was twenty one. I was the

789
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Speaker 2: state what what what?

790
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Speaker 1: What camp? What?

791
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Speaker 2: Summer?

792
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Speaker 1: No? I remember we we were legitimately walking out of there.

793
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Speaker 1: I forget who I was talking to, but I was talking.

794
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Speaker 1: It might have been Mike back when he actually was

795
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: in turned mic, yeah, because he was there that night

796
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: and saying, you know, injuries aside. Is that like the

797
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: most notable drink camp moment we've ever seen. But it's

798
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Speaker 1: help that, you know, he came back out on the

799
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Speaker 1: pracice fields, couldn't hit the oudside of the barn. But no,

800
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Speaker 1: I hope they do it because I'd like to see

801
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Speaker 1: the kicker, and that usually is not just the evaluating

802
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: of it in the stadium. That usually is the practice

803
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: we see the most of the kickers. So if we're

804
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Speaker 1: gonna get a kicker competition, that could be a big night.

805
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Speaker 2: I do wish that they made that practice a little

806
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: bit more competitive. You not to pick on your kickers,

807
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: but I'm just talking about offense defense competitive. Usually it's

808
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: like an up tempo walk through. Last year it was

809
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Speaker 2: a little bit more u ramped up in terms of

810
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Speaker 2: the speed of the walkthrough. They were actually they were

811
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Speaker 2: doing probably like like spring ota pace. You know, they

812
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Speaker 2: were probably at like seventy five eighty percent. Right, Well,

813
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Speaker 2: we know too.

814
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Speaker 1: It's it's a we've heard this. It's a procedural practice.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

816
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Speaker 1: Part of the reason they do it right before the

817
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Speaker 1: first preseason game is like they go through what they

818
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: want the pregame warm ups to be. They go through, Okay,

819
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Speaker 1: this is where people are gonna stand on the sideline,

820
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: and this is where you know this and that, and

821
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Speaker 1: I think there is you have to you have to

822
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Speaker 1: do that stuff eventually. I'm not going to sit here

823
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Speaker 1: and say it makes all the difference in the world,

824
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: but at a certain point guys need to know where

825
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Speaker 1: to go and when to go there.

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Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely all right. Eight five five Pats five hundred

827
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: is the phone number web radio at Patriots dot com

828
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: is the email address. You can yell at me about

829
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: Ramadra Stevenson. You can call in about whatever you want

830
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: We're also going to do winners and losers from Mini

831
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Speaker 2: Camp in the summer or in the spring. I should say,

832
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Speaker 2: we didn't do that last week, so we decided to

833
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Speaker 2: do that this week. But before we get to that,

834
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Speaker 2: Sean and Vancouver is. You know, the buttons here are

835
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Speaker 2: like really little, so I have to make sure I'm

836
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Speaker 2: hitting the right one. Sean is in Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Alex and Evan. I hope you're doing well.

838
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Speaker 2: Thanks.

839
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: Now. I don't dislike this Stevenson deal or like it

840
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: because of Stevenson himself. I just like the plan and

841
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 3: this seems like there's something different and hopefully the work

842
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: that the Patriots are doing, like they're they're building a

843
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: core with these contracts bar More and Douger.

844
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Speaker 4: And when you Henry.

845
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Speaker 3: Now Stevenson, I want Judon to be added to that. Now,

846
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Speaker 3: do you think Patriots should also add Godsha to that list?

847
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. Thanks for the call, Seawan.

848
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Speaker 2: So that was another little bit of news. Davon Godshaw

849
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: quote tweeting last night about his contract situation. I can

850
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: read the exact phrasing of the tweet here. In one second,

851
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: he says, so basically Devon Godchaw. Just to give some background. First,

852
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Speaker 2: Davon got wants a new contractor wants a sweetened sweetener

853
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: and his deal potentially, but he's a free agent next year.

854
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: He'll be a free agent next offseason, so he's got

855
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Speaker 2: one more year on his deal. At the very least.

856
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: He wants that Stefan Gilmour, Matthew Judah, here's you know,

857
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Speaker 2: a couple extra million bucks for you to show up

858
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Speaker 2: sort of thing. But I also would would think that

859
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: he wants an extra year or two tacked onto the

860
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: deal if possible, as well, to give him an extension. Hopefully,

861
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Speaker 2: this is Devon Godchaw. Now hopefully we can get something

862
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: done that's fair to me in my team before camp starts.

863
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: I love New England. I would love to retire here,

864
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: but it has to make sense for us. What I

865
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: do on the football field in the trenches most of

866
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: time doesn't show on the statuet, but turn on the

867
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: film you'll see it. If you know Ball, which we

868
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: do on this show. We know Ball. Would love to

869
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: finish my career here in New England, but it has

870
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: to make sense for me and my team. So he

871
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: feels as though he owes owed some more money. Now,

872
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think he's owed more money in twenty

873
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: twenty four. I think he's around nine ish million dollars,

874
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: I want to say, in total cash this year, which

875
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: for a two down run, stuffing nose tackle is a

876
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: pretty good deal. Now, let's be fair to Devon Godshaw.

877
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: He's right, there's a lot of things that he does

878
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: on the film that don't show up in the statuet.

879
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: We knew this for years with Vince Willfork. He's not

880
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: Vince Willfork, but it's a similar conversation where when you're

881
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: a true three to four zero technique nos tack, you're

882
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: not gonna put up crazy stats. You're not gonna be

883
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: somebody that's gonna have Aaron Donald like numbers. You're gonna

884
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,479
Speaker 2: eat up space, you're gonna take on blockers, you're gonna

885
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: clog the middle of the field against the run, and

886
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna do that sort of thing. You're gonna hold

887
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: the point of attack. He definitely does all that stuff

888
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: at a pretty good level. He's not fence, but it's

889
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: at a high level. I would say. So the question

890
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: is twofold to me. One if you just start handing

891
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: out bonuses to every single person that whinds about their contract.

892
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: Then then all fifty three guys are gonna be coming

893
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: to Elliot Wolf's office and saying, where's mine. So at

894
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: some point you have to draw a line. You can't

895
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: be that team that's just constantly handing out free money,

896
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: right right. The second thing is is that, like I

897
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: said he for in my mind for this season twenty

898
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: twenty four, Devon Gotschaw is fairly compensated for his skill

899
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: set because he's not a three down player. He's not

900
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: a pass rusher, So he's coming off the field and

901
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: third down, two minute, any sort of obvious passing situation,

902
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: he's not gonna be out there. That's when the bar

903
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 2: more is, the aqualities, the watts is. That's when those

904
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: guys go to work. So he's a two down run

905
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: stuffing nose tackle that is making nine million in change.

906
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: I think it is in twenty twenty four that wants

907
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: a new contract. If I'm the Patriots as much as

908
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: I again, this is you know, report aside of me

909
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: is like a guy, good dude, don't mean to be

910
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: a meani I would probably say to Devon Godshaw the comps.

911
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: You're getting paid top of the money in terms of

912
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: the top of the market in terms of the comps here.

913
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't budge on this one.

914
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: Per Is he getting paid top of the market for

915
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: what his skill set?

916
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: I think?

917
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: So? Okay. I mean it's tough to, like, you know,

918
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: to go buy total value when he's in the last

919
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: year with his deal. It's kind of tough. When you

920
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: go by av he's down there. I mean, this is

921
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: all interior defensive alignment. But you know, he's oh wait

922
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: here we go. Hang on twenty twenty four, he is

923
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: in terms of cash, the one two, three, four, five, six,

924
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: seventh highest paid defensive tackle in terms of cap number.

925
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: Because that's just the other thing I could sort by one, two, three, four,

926
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: five eight, one two three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

927
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: fifteenth highest cap number.

928
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: What's that?

929
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: What's the cash? So this is cash spent? I don't

930
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: know if that's what he's made so far. What's do

931
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: it's his eight point.

932
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: Three Okay, so that's probably his cash this year. If

933
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: he added value as a pass rusher, I would say

934
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: he's he probably has a gripe here but he if

935
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: you look at the interior defensive line market, I know

936
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: it's exploded and they just gave crea.

937
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: Oh wait, so I'm sorry. His cap number is much lower.

938
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: I was looking at or it's Jesus Christ, No, I

939
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: got it's it's cap numbers eleven point eight eleven. Yeah,

940
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: his cash spent is eight point three.

941
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So he's owed eleven point eight here, seven point

942
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: one and five in base Okay. So he's not Christian Barmore. No,

943
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: he is not Dexter Lawrence. Those guys put up pressure stats,

944
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: like those guys rust the passer. Those guys have double

945
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: digit sacks. In Christian Barmore's case last year. Davont Gotcha

946
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: is what he is. He's a space eating nose tackle.

947
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: And that's not to look down on those types of players,

948
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: but those types of players just don't have a ton

949
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: of value. We've seen that in the draft even that

950
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: those guys don't get drafted high anymore. You have to

951
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: be truly a dominant player Andre Sweat and that skill

952
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: set to even touch the top one hundred nowadays. And

953
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: we've talked about other.

954
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: Guys, sorry thirty five and cash spent Devon.

955
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: We We've talked about other guys sort of not exactly

956
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: one for one this mold, but in similar molds that

957
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: we thought are really decent football players that go in

958
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: late day three just because of the nature of the position.

959
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: So I find it tirred. I would love to know,

960
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: and this is not even throwing any bows. I would

961
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: just love to know what his like, what's his cop like?

962
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 2: This player player X is what I think I'm moreant

963
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: because he does the same.

964
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: Some of the names that are being paid more than him.

965
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: So I'm going up. So this is he's whatever I

966
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: just said twenty thirty whatever if I'm going up one

967
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: at a time. David Onion Mada from the Falcons, Malik

968
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: Collins from the Niners, Zach Syler from the Dolphins, Blal

969
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: Nichols from the Cardinals, Byron Murphy from the Seahawks, Larry

970
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: Ogunjobi from the Steelers, Devon Hamilton from the Jaguars, DJ

971
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: Jones from the Broncos. DJ Reeder from the Lions.

972
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: So are you going up or down?

973
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: These are guys, These guys making more money. Okay, anybody

974
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: stand out to use a comp so far?

975
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: Nope?

976
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Okay. Draymont Joe from the Seahawks, Dalvin Tomlinson. It's kind

977
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: in that mold. So Dalvin Tomlinson is due eleven and

978
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: a half million this year.

979
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: Okay, But Devon Gonshaw also got the signing bonus when

980
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: he signed the contract.

981
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: Right, and also Dalvin Thomlinson the same age did the

982
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: same age, Okay. Justin Jones from the Cardinals, Sheldon Rankins

983
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: from the Bengals, Grover Stewart from the Colts, Eric Armstead

984
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: from the Jaguars, Zach Allen from the Broncos. Now we

985
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: get into kind of this upper tier. Jonathan Allen from

986
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: the Commanders, Quentin Williams from the Jets, at Oliver, Javon Hargrave,

987
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: Cameron Hayward, I mean vida vea, but Vidavea does rush

988
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: to the passer.

989
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: Is Devon got like what the eye drawn?

990
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: Payne Grady Jarrett, Kenny Clark, kind of same thing. Jeffrey Simmons, Dexter,

991
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: Lawrence Barmore, DeForest Buckner, Derek Brown, Leonard Williams, Christian Wilkins,

992
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: Justin Madbeka, Chris Jones.

993
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: Right, So how do you feel about it? Because I

994
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: just feel as though there has to the buck has

995
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 2: to stop at some point, I can't just be handled.

996
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: The difference between you mentioned the Matthew cheat on Stephan

997
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: Gilmore deals, and those were borrowing money from the future

998
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: and putting it up to now. You can't do that

999
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: with Devon Godge now because he's in the last year

1000
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: of his deal. He has in this corner over the

1001
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: cap and I always get nervous talking about the cap

1002
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, Miguel, I'm sorry, but he has a

1003
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: million dollars in per game roster bonuses. If you just

1004
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: guarantee some of that, you move him up to about

1005
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: where Dalvin Tomlinson is at that eleven million. Yeah, that

1006
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: should be enough. I don't know that I'm adding years

1007
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: for a thirty year old nose tackle. I don't know

1008
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: that I'm totally restructuring the deal if they just because

1009
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: because with a guy like him that's thirty, I get

1010
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't A lot of that money is tied up

1011
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: and simply being available. It's a physical position. I feel

1012
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: like if you kind of lessen the burden there. It's

1013
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: not a massive give, but I think it speaks to

1014
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: the issue at hand, and you're good.

1015
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that's fair. I was pretty surprised

1016
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: in general. I at first cotton Win died this maybe

1017
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: around April or early May, that Gotchah might be one

1018
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: of those guys looking for a new contract.

1019
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised that he felt like he had

1020
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: I know, you can't reward everybody, but this is a

1021
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: guy that has played well for his role. I know

1022
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: people think he doesn't play well, but he's played well

1023
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: for his role. And we've kind of heard that he

1024
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: is a locker room guy. Is that he is a

1025
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: guy that's an important part of this team. And we've

1026
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: talked a lot about be it building a culture, and

1027
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: I think that's what the caller talked about, right, building

1028
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: this culture. He might be a culture guy, the one

1029
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: that I don't get. And we don't know for sure

1030
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: that he wants a new contract. But this was in

1031
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: Mike Reeze's Sunday Notes. Josh josh Joshua, Joshua, thank you

1032
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: Joshua that I apologize Joshua. That's gonna take me all year.

1033
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: But I am a big like if you want me

1034
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: to call you that, I'll call you that. That's your name,

1035
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: that's your you know. But Joshua Ooja just signed a contract.

1036
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: What is changed between now and then.

1037
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: If the one thing that I agree with you, he

1038
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: has no leg to stand on. He signed the deal.

1039
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: He could have taken the deals.

1040
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: That were out there, and that's that's you just sign

1041
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: it now.

1042
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: That one makes no sense.

1043
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: If if you get to November and he's playing really

1044
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: well in this new, more aggressive defensive system and you

1045
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about a long term deal, then that

1046
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: would make some sense to me. Dude, you just signed, right,

1047
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: That's that's the contract. If they give a new contract

1048
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: to a player who hasn't played a snap of real

1049
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: football since signing his last one, that to me is

1050
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: a step too far. That's right, start to worry about it.

1051
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: I agree completely.

1052
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: I also don't know can they sign him to a

1053
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: new contract.

1054
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 2: They can't sign him to a new contract, but could

1055
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: they give him more money on this one?

1056
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: Like?

1057
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can put it on a you

1058
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: can add like an incentive package or something like that

1059
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: that didn't pre exist or whatever. I mean, you can

1060
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: do all sorts of things.

1061
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: But that would bother me that well.

1062
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 2: The problem is though, it would bother me too, and

1063
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: it's it's borderline ridiculous. You sign a free agent contract

1064
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: that you knew what the number was. You knew it

1065
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: was low. Right now that being said, they give Ormonder

1066
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: this extension, they give Barmore this extension, They give a

1067
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: little extra here to go on shot, they give a

1068
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: little extra here. The jude on This is the This

1069
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: is the president that starts to get set at some point. Guys,

1070
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: even if it's well, when ridiculous, when you start to

1071
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: set this precedent of we can be had at the

1072
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: negotiating table, then the Joshua oo Jays of the world

1073
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,479
Speaker 2: are gonna start to say, well, I took a little

1074
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Speaker 2: less to come back.

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Speaker 1: This is but this is my point. You said, where

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00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: do you draw the line? That's where I draw the line.

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00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: Guys that just signed their contracts.

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00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: I mean maybe a little before there, but certainly before

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00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe to another extent as well, but certainly

1080
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: before there. So you gotta you gotta, you gotta give

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00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: me at least a couple of games to show me

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00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: why you're worth more than what I just paid you. Yeah. Absolutely,

1083
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: it's not. Again, it's nothing against Joshua uche. It just

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Speaker 1: now to your point. Now, you're setting a really wild president,

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00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: because what happens when he's not a guy in free

1086
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: agency and he comes out and he is a really

1087
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: good camp. Right.

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00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: So I feel like somewhere you have to draw that

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00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: line somewhere, and all these guys that are gonna be

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00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: up next year, and there are a handful of them,

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Speaker 2: are all going to come knocking if you start to

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Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots. The color mentioned Matthew Judhon.

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Speaker 2: I just want to touch on this real quick, and

1101
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: then we get into our winners and losers. The Matthew

1102
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: Judon situation also fascinates me a little bit because in reality,

1103
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 2: the right thing to do is probably to shot Matthew

1104
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 2: Judon in the trade.

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00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: Well, the right thing to do is to do that

1106
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: before the draft. At this point his value is so diminished,

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00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: well not it's maybe a little strong, but you just

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00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: don't really have I mean that ship is sailed, but well,

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00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: I don't think it's diminished because it is. No, Yeah,

1110
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: it isn't though, because you're still you're still gonna get

1111
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: a full year of service. And we just did this,

1112
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: we just did this three years ago. Stefan Gilmour's the

1113
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: exact same thing. When teams have more cap space, open

1114
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: roster spots, they're still building their roster. They're more willing

1115
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: to make trades, especially for a big money player. I

1116
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: don't know that right and it would they get for

1117
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Gidmore six I don't know that right now. He's a sixth,

1118
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: but every day you wait, his value goes down.

1119
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: I think just to find Gilmore situation was different.

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00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: It's it's incredibly similar, but I just think it's different

1121
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: because of a couple of reasons.

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00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: One the biggest one, Bill doesn't trade like other people trade.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'll give you that.

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00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: So Bill, Bill's just Bill's out here making trades. We

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00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: know that he trades differently than other people do. He's

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00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 2: his value charted or whatever you want to call it,

1127
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: or what is important to him in the trade. He

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Speaker 2: is not gonna be what I would think Elliot Wolf

1129
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: would do, which is I'm gonna call a thirty one

1130
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: teams and tell them that Matthew Judon is on the block.

1131
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: He can be had call me, and now all of

1132
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: a sudden, you have a line of six teams out

1133
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: the door, all interested in Matthew Judon. Every single contender

1134
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: that could that could make it work financially with Matthew

1135
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: Judon should be interested in a in a pro Bowl

1136
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: pass rusher, Matthew Judk so he should have a market.

1137
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 2: I also don't think it's necessarily the same because of

1138
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: the nature of the position. It's just positions. Yeah, but corner,

1139
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: but corner, those guys tend to sputter out a little

1140
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 2: bit faster than pass rushers do because it's a skill

1141
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: position and it's a position predicated on speed pass rushers,

1142
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: especially edge guys. I mean, look at like Daniel Hunter.

1143
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: Daniel Hunter has been in the league for like fifteen

1144
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: years and he's still getting after the quarterbacks. Okay, so

1145
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: so he just got another big contract. He's got a

1146
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 2: Daniel Hunter's got to be like thirty three, thirty four

1147
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: years old.

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00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: Well, let's let's yeah, I think he is. Well, let's

1149
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: do this. Then what would you set the price at

1150
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: for Judon? We actually had this conversation months ago here's

1151
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: if you remember.

1152
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: But I would want a top one hundred pick for him.

1153
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: I would probably settle for what we would project to be.

1154
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: Wrong, wrong about what wrong. I wouldn't settle for less

1155
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: than a top one hundred pick. So I'm gonna give

1156
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 1: you some numbers here.

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00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: So here real quick, here's the other side of it

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00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: with Matthew Judon, which is it goes back to the

1159
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: culture thing. He's probably not only the best player on

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00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: the team. I would say he's probably the most popular

1161
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: player on the team too. So you go ahead and

1162
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: you trade a guy like Matthew. Now you have to

1163
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: worry about the message that's that sending to the locker.

1164
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: Trading a guy like Matthew Judon on this roster is

1165
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: going to look to the other fifty two guys like you,

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00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: especially like you don't actually, after especially after paying everybody

1167
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: you did, this is the guy that doesn't get rewarded.

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00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: Goes back to the president. And I'm with you at

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00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: this point. I would keep him. But if we're gonna

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00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: disgustrating him. Evan Player A yes, thirty two years old.

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00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: In his previous three seasons thirty eight games, thirty two sacks,

1172
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: sixty two quarterback hits, thirty three tackles for loss. Okay.

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00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: Player B thirty one years old. His previous three seasons

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00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: thirty nine games, so one more game uh nine, fewer sacks,

1175
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: twenty eight, fewer quarterback hits, seven, fewer tackles for loss. Yeah,

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00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: both players are coming off of a season ending injury.

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Speaker 1: Player A, the guy who with the better numbers, needs

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00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: a new contract. Player B is signed for the next

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00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: three years with cap hits A six and a half million,

1180
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: twenty eight and a half in twenty three and a half. Okay,

1181
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: who's worth more? The guy with the more sacks? Player

1182
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: A Yeah. Okay, so player A again, same age, Yeah,

1183
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: both same position, both coming off of season ending injuries.

1184
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: Player as Matthew Judon currently, Player B is Khalil Mack

1185
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: right before he was traded to the Chicago Bears. Do

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00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: you remember what the return was for that? That was

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00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: a second? Yep, a fifth and a wait this is

1188
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: what written really annoyingly. I gotta find it, but it's.

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Speaker 2: A lot it was a lot, but Khalil Mack was considered,

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Speaker 2: I believe, considered to be a better player just off

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: of reputation. He's a first team All Pro Defensive Player

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00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: of the Year candidate early on in his career. I'm

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Speaker 2: not necessarily saying that jud Judon was in the running

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00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: for that a couple of years ago. Yeah, yeah, but

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00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: Judon was never you know, Judon has never been the

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00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: first team opera. He's a four time Pro bowler, but

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00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: he's never made an All Pro team first team. I

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: definitely hear you that that there's probably statistical comps there.

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Speaker 2: I just personally think that the reputation around the league

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00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: at the time of the Khalil Mack trade was that

1201
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: Khalil Mack was a little bit of a better player.

1202
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: Or sorry I had that on was when he was

1203
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: traded from the Raiders to the Chargers. So it was

1204
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: mac in a sixth round pick for a second.

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00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: If I'm Elliot Wolf, I am, and I know he's

1207
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: not considered, but we're not going by considered. We're going

1208
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: on that's what matters. Okay. But if I'm Elliot Wolf,

1209
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: I am reading GMS those exact numbers. I am saying,

1210
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: this is a guy who is in a better situation

1211
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: right now, and.

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00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: He's gonna they're all gonna tell you he's a good play.

1213
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, Khalil Mack, Khalil Mack had foot surgery,

1214
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: Judon had was it Bicepster, So that's not as much

1215
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: of an impingement. If I'm Elliott Wolf, I am not

1216
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Speaker 1: accepting less than a top one hundred pick for Matthew Judin.

1217
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: They'll get his second round pick for Matthew Judon.

1218
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: They should make that, and I'll throw I'll throw the

1219
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: sixth in because if we're gonna mirror it, let's mirror it.

1220
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I'll throw the sixth in. I

1221
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: would even throw fifth in. I would don't care.

1222
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: About the sixth round pick. If they can get a

1223
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: second round pick for Matthew Judon, they should do that.

1224
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: And look, it's probably gonna be from a conshender, so

1225
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: we're probably talking about a pick in the sixties. It's

1226
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: still val very valuable. I'm just saying, I this is

1227
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: the value of this player. This is the value of

1228
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: Matthew Judin. I not not me pulling things out of

1229
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: thin air tangibly and I went back and looked.

1230
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if they could get that mouch.

1231
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: I went back and looked at edge players in their

1232
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: thirties being traded. Not only is it just edge player

1233
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: in their thirty coming off an injury, the same contract situation,

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00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: Max was actually more favorable, or sorry, Judon's is more favorable. Favorable,

1235
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: there is. Maybe it goes down with third. Maybe it

1236
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: goes down with third because Judon needs a new deal.

1237
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: But I am not accepting less than a top one

1238
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: hundred pick for Matthew Judon because this is what this

1239
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: players worth on the open market. Well that's what the

1240
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: comp is, or sorry, this is what this production is

1241
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: worth on the open.

1242
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: I'm afraise it that way, right because the market.

1243
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: But we know, Evan, we know there are dumbass teams

1244
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: that pay solely for production.

1245
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: You don't have to convince me. I'm I'm just saying

1246
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: just for in general, if they can get a second

1247
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: round pick for Matthew Judon, then then I would make

1248
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: that trade. I would because you say, okay, yeah, it's

1249
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: gonna be for a contender. It's probably gonna be the

1250
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: sixtieth pick of the second round or something like that.

1251
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: The fifty eighth pick. Okay, sure, but what if it's

1252
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: a trade. I'm trying to think of a good example.

1253
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: What if it's a trade with an NFC contender Philly,

1254
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, whatever, and then their quarterback gets hurt, right,

1255
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: and then end up having a bad season, you know,

1256
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: down year just because of situation. Yeah whatever, you never know,

1257
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: is my point. With those types of picks.

1258
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: On top of it, it's just a valuable pick just

1259
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: to have it. And so wait, sorry, this is the difference.

1260
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: I want to finish that take. Khalil Mack was traded

1261
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: in March, yeah, which obviously you can't do now with Judeon.

1262
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: But like in this part ofly, if I can't get

1263
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: that value, I'm holding on them. I'm probably holding on

1264
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: them anyway. But like I just my guess is that.

1265
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: This was probably talked about, yeah, before the draft, and

1266
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: I really feel like this regime it's twofold one. There's

1267
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 2: tangible evidence. To go back to your tangible evidence, there's

1268
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: tangible evidence that their pass rush significantly dropped off post

1269
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: jude On last year, Yes, significantly, especially their standard four

1270
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: man rush. They could still get pressure with blitz with

1271
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: blitzing but they had the blitz to get pressure, they

1272
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: had to draw it up, and they had to be

1273
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: exotic to get home because they didn't have anybody winning

1274
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 2: one on one outside of Barmore, who's on the interior,

1275
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: and it's a different thing. So they had to scheme

1276
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: up pressure post Judon. They were thirtieth in the NFL

1277
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: post Judon in four man pass rush pressure thirtieth, So

1278
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: there was a tangible evidence that rushing for get home

1279
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: with four the old adage, right, if you could get

1280
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: home with four, you're you're gonna be in good shape.

1281
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: They couldn't do it. So on the field, if you're looking,

1282
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: if you're Elliott Wolf and Drowd Mayo, and this is

1283
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: I think a big deal in general with some of

1284
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: these resignings, because I wrote this in the mail bag

1285
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: today and we hear a lot about this. Oh funny,

1286
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 2: you know, they're just resigning all of Bill's guys. And

1287
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: I thought Bill couldn't draft, and I thought he couldn't

1288
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: evaluate offense, and now they're paying Ramandre Stevenson. I feel

1289
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: like some element of this from Drowd Mayo and Elliott

1290
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: Wolf's standpoint is that even though you probably in your

1291
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 2: heart of Heartsnow you're not going to be a true

1292
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: contender this year. Yeah, you can't stink. No, you want

1293
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 2: to be competitive, you can't stink. So that doesn't jive

1294
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: with trading Matthew Judon. If you trade Matthew Judon, you

1295
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: get worse. There's no other.

1296
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: To go back to that whole Khalil mack Rant, I

1297
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: say that, and you actually set me up for the

1298
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: take and I blew it. So that's my bad because

1299
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: you said, I'm saying this is this is what Matthew

1300
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: Judaon is worth. Matthew Judon is worth a second round pick.

1301
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: History shows us that, and you said they're not gonna

1302
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: get a seven second round pick for him. Correct, Yeah,

1303
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: don't trade them, don't. And that's where it comes back

1304
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: to the step On Gilmore thing. They just traded Gilmore

1305
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: to get them off the roster because they didn't want

1306
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: to do with the contract situation. Yeah, bad idea, bad idea.

1307
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: I don't think this regime will do that. No, this

1308
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: regime is looking to make football trades, like if you

1309
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: give us something in return that's worth it, right, then

1310
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 2: we'll do it. But I don't think that they're looking to.

1311
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: Just get rid of what's worth it is the second

1312
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: round pick.

1313
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. I'd probably say third.

1314
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: I would. I could be persuaded, like, if it's at

1315
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: the trade deadline and you're already two and six or

1316
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: something like.

1317
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: That, it's a completely different story. And if you don't

1318
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: have a new contract on or you don't add years, like,

1319
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: that's fine, I'll give you that. But I don't think

1320
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,919
Speaker 1: you trade them right now. I don't unless somebody wants

1321
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: to get really stupid off of you. First. It's big.

1322
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 2: It's big that in my mind, it's big that this

1323
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 2: regime gets off to a decent start. And it might

1324
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: not be wins and losses necessarily just because of how

1325
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: hard the schedule is out of the gate, especially, but

1326
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: if it can translate into at least oh wow, this

1327
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: is I referenced them earlier. It's kind of like the

1328
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: Red Sox where it's like, are they a world serious contender? No?

1329
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: It's a little different.

1330
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: No, it isn't because are they a world serious contender?

1331
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 3: No?

1332
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: But are they fun to watch objectively? Yeah?

1333
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: They are fun to Yeah. That kind of happened by it.

1334
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: That's different. That happened by accident.

1335
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: I don't think it happened by accident, but regardless, you know,

1336
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 2: it's fun to watch Mookie best. No, obviously, but the

1337
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: point being is that if the Patriots are if once

1338
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: a week you can turn on a Patriots game, yeah,

1339
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: and it's competitive, they're fun. They have some young guys

1340
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: that are flashing all that sort of stuff going on.

1341
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: Then yes, it's gonna stink at the end of the

1342
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 2: season when they're five and twelve.

1343
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: Again for no, no, they want to be competitive. This

1344
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: is the difference. Like there if you.

1345
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: Trade Matthew Judon. My point is, if you trade Matthew Judon,

1346
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: you are very much risking the competitive side of it.

1347
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: They're in year one of a rebuild. Like competitive is good.

1348
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: That's the difference between them in the Red Sox. The

1349
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: Red Sox has been a last time.

1350
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: I was just saying how I feel when I watched.

1351
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: The Okay, you you want to watchable product, and definitely

1352
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: Matthew Judon makes them one more watchable product and the.

1353
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: Biggest star on the team. All right, Winners and losers

1354
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: from Mini camp I. This is a little bit u

1355
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: late to the to the punch here, but I still

1356
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: think it's important. There's something that we can do here.

1357
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: So do you want to start with winners or losers?

1358
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 2: Do you want to go positive or negative?

1359
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: Uh? We can do winners. Where am I all right?

1360
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: Should we go? I'm gonna go five to one? I

1361
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: like going in reverse because you like, I want to

1362
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: tease the Oh I didn't, I didn't. Oh see, you

1363
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: gotta do him in order, we gotta, we gotta get that.

1364
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 2: I always do things in order. I'm a big order guy.

1365
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 2: Like I I want rankings. I want lists. Right, Uh, number.

1366
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: Five, it's still a list. You don't have to now

1367
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: I want. I want it ranked, but it could be

1368
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: a list without it being right. Do you rank your

1369
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:25,959
Speaker 1: shopping list? Uh?

1370
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes? Wait, stop, I tear it, that's for sure. Hang on,

1371
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: what the hell does that mean? It means that sometimes

1372
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: you know we're on a budget. You don't want to

1373
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: go over budget. There are certain items on the list

1374
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: that are luxury items that I don't necessarily need.

1375
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: Then you don't put them on the list.

1376
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 2: That's not true. If it's a good if it's a

1377
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: good deal and I have enough money, Like if there's

1378
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: if I get some deals and I have enough money

1379
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: at the end of the list, and I say Hey,

1380
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, I I kind of want that good.

1381
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh see, I don't like but I don't keep any

1382
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: snacks in my house because if I have snacks, I

1383
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: will eat the snacks and that's bad. So I only

1384
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: buy like what I need to make luncheon dinner. In

1385
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: this I'm not even a big breakfast person. So I

1386
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: I guess I said I have. I have my list.

1387
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll put something on the list, like ah, that'd

1388
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: be cool to have, but sometimes I'm like, I don't

1389
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: need to have this right now, so I take it

1390
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: off the list. I don't do gate. I don't do

1391
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: game time decisions at the supermarket. That's why I don't

1392
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: go to supermarket. Worst thing you can.

1393
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: I can't go in the supermarket because then I'm just

1394
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm just grabbing the snacks. Okay, I'm just I'm just

1395
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 2: grabbing the snacks. So anyways, that I digress, all right.

1396
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: Number five. Because I'm I'm an order person. I care

1397
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 2: about order matters. I have Jayleen Polk. I just felt

1398
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: like Jalen Polk wasn't necessarily that. I thought. I was like, Wow,

1399
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: this guy's gonna be Jamar Chase, you know what I mean.

1400
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: But I really thought that the positive with him in

1401
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: the spring was just the upward trajectory of his play.

1402
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 2: Felt like every single practice he got a little bit better,

1403
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: a little bit more noticeable, and he caps it off

1404
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: on the last Wednesday of mini camp with a really

1405
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: really strong ending in practice especially, but just in general,

1406
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: a solid practice all around.

1407
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: I like what you like to see with young players

1408
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: like a Polk.

1409
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, you hope that you get out there that

1410
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 2: very first practice and he's just out like gangbusters and

1411
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 2: he's just awesome. Right, everybody hopes that, But in reality,

1412
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: the more realistic option is that he just gets better

1413
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: and better and better, and you just see sort of

1414
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 2: a little bit of improvement every single week. That's how

1415
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,959
Speaker 2: I felt like with Jalen. Polk thought, every single practice

1416
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 2: that we saw from rookie Mini Caamp to the end,

1417
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 2: it got a little bit better than the last, and

1418
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: that tells me that we're on the right track here

1419
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: with him.

1420
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: All Right, all right, I put mine in order. I'm

1421
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: gonna go Jalen Rager. Yeah, just a lot of this

1422
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: is gonna be a common theme with mine. You'll notice this.

1423
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: But again, it's not like real football. They're doing so

1424
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: it's just how involved here guys. Does it look like

1425
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: the coaching staff has a plan for guy? Does it

1426
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: look like they plan on him being here, being on

1427
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: the roster? Is he somebody that's more on the periphery

1428
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: and Jalen Rager Supervolt Supervolt on offense and special teams?

1429
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: He looked like a guy that they're at least gonna

1430
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: have compete for ross spot. And this ties in with

1431
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: some other guys we'll get to when we get to

1432
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: the downs list, but he seems to be in good

1433
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: position right now, and I think that's encouraging for him.

1434
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: He you know, performed relatively well too, so Jalen riger.

1435
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 2: That's a fair one, all right, Number four, similar to

1436
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 2: what you just said in terms of usage and things

1437
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: like that. Jalen Hawkins, I was not necessarily, I will

1438
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 2: admit that when they made the Jalen Hawkins signing, I

1439
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: thought this is another camp body and another guy that, yeah,

1440
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: if you know, he could come out of the woodwork,

1441
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: but more realistically probably not on the team. Now I

1442
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 2: feel like there's definitely a role for him on this team.

1443
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,799
Speaker 2: He's probably going to make it unless he just totally

1444
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 2: bombs in the summer as that extra safety, free safety

1445
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: Deron Harmon type. He's not Devin mccordy. He's not Ed

1446
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 2: Reed right, He's gonna be Deron Harmon. He's going to

1447
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 2: be a serviceable free safety that when it's third and

1448
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 2: ten that can put him on the field. Move Kyle

1449
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: Dugger and Jabil Peppers around. We've talked about this a

1450
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,879
Speaker 2: little bit already. I really was surprised at how involved

1451
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: Jalen Hawkins was early on in camp in the summer,

1452
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 2: it keeps saying summer in the spring. It definitely seemed

1453
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 2: to me like he was part of that core group

1454
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 2: or getting into that core group of Pepper's Dugger. Jalen

1455
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: Hawkins is the third guy. Remember, unless Marty Map who

1456
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: comes out of nowhere as a free safety type, they

1457
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 2: really don't have a third guy. And you know, Adrian

1458
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,839
Speaker 2: Phillips was kind of the third guy. Devin was obviously

1459
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 2: the third guy before he retired. They don't necessarily have

1460
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 2: a sharpied in third guy right now. They don't have

1461
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 2: a lock of this is gonna be a rotational player

1462
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 2: at safety. I feel like Jalen Hawkins is probably the

1463
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 2: one that made the most the most headway in that department.

1464
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had him too. I put him third

1465
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: since we're roaring it and a lot of same things

1466
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: as you. So I guess my fourth. I'd say Caden Walls.

1467
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: And the reason I have him on there it looks

1468
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: like they might keep him at right tackle after all,

1469
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: which is very good for him. Yeah, because they're gonna

1470
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: let him play a position he knows how to play,

1471
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: and that's a pretty good way to start your NFL career.

1472
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: So if i'm him, I'm pretty happy about that that

1473
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be somewhere. I'm comfortable, I'm gonna be somewhere

1474
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing, and I'm gonna have a

1475
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: chance to truly compete for a starting job.

1476
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. I didn't put any lineman

1477
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: on this just because without pads, I was not really

1478
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: evaluating lineman, But in terms of usage and where they're at,

1479
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 2: that's a more than fair point.

1480
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: All right, Next one, Alex Austin. I had him as well.

1481
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: I almost put Alex Austen as at number one. I

1482
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 1: was pretty close.

1483
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 2: Probably one of the biggest winners, I would say of

1484
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: the entire spring by far. Alex Austen went from a

1485
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 2: cut right. He was cut last year, waved last year,

1486
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 2: I want to say, by Buffalo.

1487
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: And by Houston.

1488
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, picked up by the Patriots. Starts a few games

1489
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,759
Speaker 2: towards the end of the year on a bad Patriots

1490
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 2: team that was, you know, needed another corner, was banged up.

1491
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: No Christian Gonzalez, J C. Jackson, and Jack Jones go

1492
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: off the reservation. They just needed bodies at that point.

1493
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: Plays well last year, comes into the spring, continues to

1494
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: play well in the spring, to the point where I

1495
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 2: put him on my list of roster locks. The other

1496
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: day when I was kind of looking back on the

1497
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: fifty three and just had a few minutes to just

1498
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: sort of decompress from the spring, I put him on

1499
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 2: the locks. I feel like him. Obviously, Gonzo and the Joneses,

1500
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: those four guys at corner, I don't really see a

1501
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: whole lot of I don't see a path where those

1502
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 2: four guys aren't on this team. And I now put

1503
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: Austin in that category because he's he played well last year.

1504
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 2: Gerrodmeo said in the spring, he's an NFL player. Yeah,

1505
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: Now we need to determine what's his ceiling as an

1506
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 2: NFL player. I don't want to put a ceiling on

1507
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: him yet. I'm not gonna he's not Tylall. I'm not

1508
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: like saying he's gonna be Darrell Reevas, all right, Stefan Gilmore.

1509
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: But I'm not putting yeah, they got two all pro

1510
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: corner is Yeah, I'm not putting him on that. Uh.

1511
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: But I do feel like it's not fair to necessarily

1512
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: put a ceiling on him yet because what could he be?

1513
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 2: You know, he could be a much better player than

1514
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 2: what initially.

1515
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: And look, they've done this before. They've they've found corners

1516
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, Jonathan Jones, Malcolm Butler, j C. Jackson,

1517
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: and they've turned him into really, really good players. And

1518
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people point to Bill for that,

1519
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: and Bill obviously gets some of the credit. But like

1520
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 1: Mike Pellegrino, I was gonna say, shout out Mike PELGRENO

1521
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: has just about to say that one heck of a coach,

1522
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: Mike Pellegrino. So you know, does he work his magic

1523
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: again here with Alex Austin will see when the pads

1524
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: come ons? Is the caveat with all of this. But

1525
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can't look at that and

1526
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: just be you feel but I.

1527
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 2: Feel better about Austin putting him up there because he

1528
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 2: played in games last year and he played well corner.

1529
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: There are more there are like non contact elements that

1530
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: come to the c. Yeah, so Mike pel.

1531
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: A Greno shout out. I feel like Mike pel Agrino. Uh.

1532
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying this because because I like

1533
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 2: the guy. Mike pel Agrino should have more buzz in

1534
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 2: the coaching community. I think he did make Tom Pelisaro's

1535
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: list last year. He's somebody that definitely looks like maybe

1536
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 2: I could actually even see it here in New England

1537
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: since DeMarcus Covington is a defensive line guy in the

1538
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:25,600
Speaker 2: front seven guy. If if Mike Pelgrino became there, and

1539
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: this does happen more often now like their passing game

1540
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: coordinator but on the defensive side of the ball, or

1541
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 2: maybe it's secondary coach and he's got and it's the

1542
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 2: whole secondary that he's you know, in charge of. I

1543
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: could see a promotion here coming for him as well.

1544
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 2: And I do think that there's DC in his future.

1545
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: I think he could be and I would say too,

1546
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: because you always want to look ahead, like Covington's gotten

1547
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: head coaching. Did he interview for a head coaching job once?

1548
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: No, defensive coordinator with Arizona.

1549
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that's I mean, if the defense

1550
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: is solid, which we think it will be, like, he's

1551
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: going to be a guy that gets head coaching looks.

1552
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: So I would say on that side of the ball

1553
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: right now, is there a more obvious next man up

1554
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: for DC than Mike? I think he's been here longer

1555
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: in any of the those coaches. I mean it's him

1556
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 1: and Brian. I think he's been here longer than Brian.

1557
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: Well well not literally, not literally, but you know what

1558
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been on staffing because Brian started in

1559
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: the scouting department.

1560
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Brian started with a clipboard at age

1561
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 2: on the sideline. So that guy's a little obviously.

1562
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to diminish what with Brian's done. I

1563
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: just in my mind I go to the no, that's

1564
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: probably fair, that's probably but he'd be in that conversation,

1565
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: all right. So yeah, so I add Jalen Hawkins, Alex

1566
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: Austin three and two. So you haven't given your number

1567
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: two yet, right, No.

1568
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 2: Number two, I'm giving it to Remondra Stevenson. You signed

1569
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: a four year contract extension. You won the spring. Okay, yeah,

1570
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 2: that's a good spring for you. You get seventeen seventeen million dollars.

1571
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: It was a little bit.

1572
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: Before the spring, No, somebody signed one during the spring.

1573
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: David Andrews signed like a one year contract extension. Ramondra

1574
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: Stevenson got the mini bag. I hear you. It's not

1575
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 2: the bag bag, but for running back, that's a pretty

1576
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 2: good sized bag. That's a nice money grab. So reminder,

1577
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 2: Stevens said, I thought, we'll see what it looks like

1578
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: in terms of the outside zone and all the scheme

1579
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 2: stuff that we'd like to get into. And here, I

1580
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: think that might be something I didn't mention earlier that

1581
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 2: I am also still a little bit wary of. I

1582
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 2: just don't I still don't love it. I still don't

1583
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: love him running outside zone at a high rate like

1584
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: that being his number one blocking scheme in the year

1585
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: is outside zone. Maybe he's gonna prove me wrong. He

1586
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 2: did look a little bit more spelt. I felt like

1587
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: in the summer or in the spring, I keep doing that.

1588
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 2: In the spring, he looked a little bit more spelt

1589
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,919
Speaker 2: a little bit. He looked like he was in great shape,

1590
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: which this is going all the way back. But don't

1591
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 2: you remember his rookie year when he came in out

1592
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 2: of shape and Ivan Fears put him on pup and

1593
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: told and told him to go run the hill. So

1594
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 2: he's come a long way from those days where he

1595
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 2: couldn't even get on the field as a rookie at

1596
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: first in the spring and in the summer because he

1597
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 2: was out of shape. Now he he looks like he's

1598
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: in great shape, gets the contract this offense for better

1599
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 2: or Worse. And I know they are gonna be certain people,

1600
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 2: and you're gonna say me, uh, there's gonna be certain

1601
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: people that aren't gonna love the philosophy the big picture

1602
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 2: of it, for better or Worse Fromondre Stevenson is gonna

1603
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: be the future piece of this offense. The offense is

1604
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 2: gonna be. He's gonna be to the Patriots as Nick

1605
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 2: Chubb is to the Browns, that that's gonna be the offense,

1606
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be the base of the system. That's

1607
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: why they gave him this contract. That's why they've made

1608
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 2: it a lot about Remandrea this spring. So uh modr

1609
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 2: Stevenson number two, all right, number one do you have

1610
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: reminder that was yours too?

1611
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: No, I've had Rager, Wallace Hawkins, Austin all right, number one, uh,

1612
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: Drake May yeah.

1613
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: But also Patriots fans, because the good news is Patriots

1614
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 2: fans where no one's crowning him yet. We're not. We're

1615
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: not put not any duck boats just yet. We did

1616
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: that Friday for another team. We're not doing that yet

1617
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 2: for Drake May yet yet. But the good news is

1618
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 2: that what you wanted to see was can this dude play?

1619
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: Does he look like he belongs? Is he getting better?

1620
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 2: The same thing that we were saying about Jalen Polk

1621
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 2: in this situation. I feel like he checked the boxes

1622
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: he needed to check in the spring, the eye test,

1623
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 2: the improvement, all those sorts of things. And he wins,

1624
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,799
Speaker 2: But so do you the people. They also win because

1625
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: this is that's your quarterback, that's your guy. You drafted

1626
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 2: him number three overall. If we came onto the show,

1627
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 2: and I know people sometimes say you overrate the Spring,

1628
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 2: don't get too hyped up. Fine, if that's how you

1629
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: want to look at it. You want to have fun,

1630
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 2: you don't want to be excited about something in your life. Fine,

1631
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 2: But if we had come on the show and we

1632
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: had him on Losers and we said he threw ten

1633
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 2: picks in the spring and it was a disaster that

1634
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 2: we'd all be freaking out right, So the fact that

1635
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 2: it's mostly positive, it's most positive.

1636
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: So I had him number one, So I had him

1637
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,839
Speaker 1: number one. For what he did, I was very awesome.

1638
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 1: So I had him in the winters number one because

1639
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: he I mean, the footwork looks much better. You know,

1640
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: he seems like he's kind of starting to gell with

1641
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: the teammates. That's all good. He obviously looked impressive. I

1642
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: was also just put it in the losers because of

1643
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: what happened around him. Yeah, and like that's not great

1644
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: for him, but no, he did everything he needed to

1645
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: this spring. And to your point, like that's only so

1646
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: much it is the spring. But I thought he did

1647
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: everything he needed to the spring. Okay, now to the

1648
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: to the downs, Yeah, to the I mean I think

1649
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: three of these are really obvious.

1650
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see three or four, we'll see if we're

1651
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: on the same number.

1652
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: Five.

1653
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, after we almost did it again.

1654
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: And by we have him at five, I mean me,

1655
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 1: you have him at five.

1656
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 2: As we almost did it again, I almost fell for it,

1657
01:19:55,720 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 2: but I said I wasn't going to Now, maybe it

1658
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 2: comes out eventually. Maybe it's a little nugget in Mike

1659
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: Reese's Sunday Notes like number point bullet point six, you know,

1660
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: kind of buried in there as he does sometimes. The

1661
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: fact that Taekwon Thornton missed that Wednesday practice irks the

1662
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 2: crap out of me because you did it to me again, Taekwon.

1663
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 2: You had a couple of good practices early in the spring,

1664
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 2: and I don't know for a fact. Maybe it was

1665
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: an excused absence, maybe it was something personal going on.

1666
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 2: So I don't want to go out there and get

1667
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: too crazy because I don't know for a fact. But

1668
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 2: all that we can assume is that he All we

1669
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: can say is that he was not available for a practice,

1670
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 2: and history tells us that was its injury related yeah,

1671
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 2: which means that he had another setback with some sort

1672
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 2: of physical ailment, Which means that we're right back to

1673
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 2: where we started with Taekwon Thorton.

1674
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: And I'll add to it even just on the field.

1675
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: I talked about Jalen Rager before, how I feel he's

1676
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: in a great spot to make the roster because of

1677
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: all the things he was doing when they broke for

1678
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: special teams. So we've how many times we've done this

1679
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: math where it's Polk or sorry, where it's it's pop Born.

1680
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: Two rookies at roster locks. That's four. We think kJ

1681
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: Osborne is probably gonna make the team. That's five. If

1682
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna be that sixth receiver, you'd better be doing

1683
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: something else. You'd better be playing in the kicking game.

1684
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: And Reraiger obviously does a ton of that. Both ways.

1685
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: We saw him getting some work at gunner. When they

1686
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: broke for special teams. There were two wide receivers. Only

1687
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: two wide receivers that didn't take part, Taekwan and another

1688
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: guy that I'm sure we'll get to, but we will.

1689
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: You know, Taekwon did special teams one day. He didn't

1690
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: do it. The other day he was off with the

1691
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,799
Speaker 1: other guy. I don't see they tried him as a gunner.

1692
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: I just don't see how that works because he's gonna

1693
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: need a tackle. Yeah, it doesn't work. That says like

1694
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: he if he can't play special teams, how you keeping

1695
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: him as a sixth receiver If his carrying trait is

1696
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: speed in Jalen Rager's carrying trade is also speed and

1697
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager can play special teams. What why Taekwon thornon

1698
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: no guaranteed money on the contract? Why is he saying

1699
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: Why is he's saying iem too?

1700
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,759
Speaker 2: There's not and I probably should have had him higher,

1701
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 2: but I put him that low because in fairness to him,

1702
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: he did have those one or two practices he did

1703
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 2: start off well. I'm looking at this is basically based

1704
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 2: off of the fact that he missed that Wednesday practice.

1705
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: I would have had him on there if not, because

1706
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 1: again I'm doing this a lot on like usage and

1707
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 1: how are guys setting themselves up to make the roster?

1708
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: Not necessarily total performance, that's part of it, But I

1709
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: do not feel I feel it is I would call it.

1710
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to say more or less likely, because

1711
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: we don't know what the coaches altimate plan is, But

1712
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: like I feel not that I felt confident about it.

1713
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: I feel less confident saying Taekwon will make the roster

1714
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: now than I felt about it going into the me too,

1715
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: And that's why he hands up on the downs.

1716
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 2: You you laid it out nicely with Rager in the conversation,

1717
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: but just also to add to that, Jalen Ray, I

1718
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 2: think Taekwon's a little bit faster and a.

1719
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: Little bit better of a deep threat than Jalen Rag.

1720
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: I think is a little bit faster. I don't think

1721
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: he's like exponentially faster.

1722
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 2: He to me, he's I would give that if if

1723
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 2: we're ranking, you know, their their skill sets or whatever,

1724
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 2: I would say that Taekwon Thornton is a little bit

1725
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 2: more impactful as a deep threat. Just to tide a

1726
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, that does not Jalen Rager is in

1727
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 2: the same ballpark. Yeah, So if that's what Taekwon has

1728
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 2: on him, and Taekwon as a is at like a

1729
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 2: level seven, right and Ragers at like a level five,

1730
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 2: and then Rager does all these other things on special

1731
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 2: teams and things like that, and is more durable and

1732
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 2: blocks then where Taekwon doesn't have a leg to stand

1733
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 2: up exactly.

1734
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: And that's kind of that. That's where it's it's with

1735
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 1: the receivers. It's all relative. With a lot of it,

1736
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: it's all relative. So I look at it, you know,

1737
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not as concerned about Taekwon if Rager wasn't

1738
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: as involved. It's not just Taekwon himself. I just don't

1739
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: feel like he's in great position. Yeah, all right, number four,

1740
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: Well I have number five. Oh yeah, Kevin Harris goes

1741
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: back to you. Such thing we've talked about, that third

1742
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: running back. It felt like this may be a good chance.

1743
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: Let's see if they give Kevin Harris a lot of

1744
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: run and kind of clear the runway for him.

1745
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 2: They didn't.

1746
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: It was pretty split. Honestly, I think he probably did

1747
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: less than Jamichael Hasty. So he's a guy at two

1748
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: twenty that he's gonna make his impact when the pads

1749
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: come on. I'm not entirely that's why.

1750
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 2: I didn't have him on, because I hear what you're saying.

1751
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: So this is more where again, I'm not doing it

1752
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: solely on performance performance. It's kind of tough to tell,

1753
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 1: but I think that I, like I said about Thornton,

1754
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: like I don't know that the chart, like the coaches

1755
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: weren't exactly using Kevin Harris. They weren't giving him the

1756
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: opportunities like you'd give a guy that you're expecting to

1757
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: completely compete for roster spot. Doesn't mean he can't, but

1758
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: I thought maybe we'd come in and they would make

1759
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: it clear that he was the favorite for the third

1760
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: running back. I don't if they were gonna do that

1761
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 1: with anybody who's gonna be him, And I don't think

1762
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: they established a clear favorite. And to me that if

1763
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,759
Speaker 1: you're if I'm Kevin Harris, that sucks.

1764
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just feel like with him, they did do

1765
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 2: some early down work in the spring. Yeah, but it's

1766
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: all it's a passing camp, and so I'm at least

1767
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: gonna give them. They've clearly made it and as they should,

1768
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: because it's just not his skill set, it's not it's

1769
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: not his role. They've clearly made it apparent that he

1770
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 2: is not gonna be factoring into the passing game at.

1771
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: All, which again is not I I in a setting

1772
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: like that is where you would give that guy a

1773
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: chance to maybe show what he can do in that regard.

1774
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 2: Right, They clearly look at Gibson remandra of Michael Hasty

1775
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: that those are our guys that are gonna contribute potentially

1776
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 2: in the passing game when we get into trading camp,

1777
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: we get into the preseason games when they're truly doing

1778
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 2: live eleven on eleven's.

1779
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 1: Oh, Kevin Harris might lead the NFL in preseason rushing.

1780
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's not getting any first and ten carries

1781
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 2: at that point, then that's when I would be like,

1782
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 2: all right, this.

1783
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: Is But I'm just saying I thought they may give

1784
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: him a chance to just see what he could do

1785
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: in a little bit expanded role, and they didn't.

1786
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 2: So me too. I Hitchean Wade on here, Okay, just yeah,

1787
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: I edge on Wade on here, not anything because he

1788
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 2: did anything particularly poor. I just feel like with Alex

1789
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Austin's emergence, with Ze Bolden getting more snaps in the slot, Yeah,

1790
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones is back, it just feels you know, Gonzo's

1791
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: obviously back to It just feels like it's turning into

1792
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 2: a little bit of a numbers game with Sean Wade

1793
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:38,759
Speaker 2: and he wasn't. It feels to me like the last

1794
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: couple of drafts, maybe since twenty twenty two this regime,

1795
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Elliott Wolf feels a little bit more ownership of those

1796
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 2: picks and like those are kind of his dies. So

1797
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 2: like the Sean Wade trade predates that type of stuff,

1798
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 2: and I just feel like maybe he's gonna end up

1799
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 2: being a guy that made the team last year that's

1800
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 2: not gonna make the team this year because they might

1801
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 2: prioritize Austin Bolden Marcella's dial, you know, like the guys

1802
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 2: a day if have it invested in over the last

1803
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: year or two.

1804
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: So I had weighed on itam as one of my

1805
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: last guys on. I had him on because I feel

1806
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: like they need that depth in the slot. I don't

1807
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: know how much Boldon is gonna play in the slot

1808
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 1: when it actually trying to get him, but they're trying

1809
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: to get in there. Also, we didn't see a ton

1810
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: of Marcello's dial this spring because he's hurt. So yeah,

1811
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: I I somebody's gonna get left off. Somebody's gonna get

1812
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: left off. And weighed certainly in that conversation. All Right,

1813
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: who's uh Chad Ryland.

1814
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's on my list but higher.

1815
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so you'll kind of see how I did mine,

1816
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: but not the only reason he's not higher is Joey

1817
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: Slide didn't have a great spring either. Yeah, but I

1818
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 1: mean we've we've talked a lot about this, so I

1819
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 1: we don't need to get a ton into it. But again,

1820
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: is the week one kicker currently on the Patriots roster?

1821
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: I think there's a decent chance.

1822
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 2: The answer to that question is No, it feels as

1823
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 2: though Chad Ryland has developed the ips and it's one

1824
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 2: mental I got him in. I thought when he aid

1825
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 2: that game winner in Denver, Yeah, that maybe it would

1826
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 2: flip for him. No, because that's got it for any

1827
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 2: player to make a play like that, a game winning kick,

1828
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 2: a game winning touchdown, whatever, you know, you have your

1829
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 2: your first breakout game, you know as a receiver or

1830
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,799
Speaker 2: something like that. They usually that the pendulum will can swing.

1831
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: That that was ends up just being a very that's

1832
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 2: the Quinn ordein in stadium practice of regular season games,

1833
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 2: right like that, that ends up being the anomaly out

1834
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: of the entire larger sample, which is that Chad Ryland

1835
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 2: might not be an NFL kicker, and they might not

1836
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 2: have an NFL kicker on the roster right now. Like

1837
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 2: you said, we've talked about this a time, but it

1838
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 2: just it blows my mind that they're they're in a

1839
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: position where they have two kickers on the roster, but

1840
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 2: they kind of have no kickers on the roster, which

1841
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:53,759
Speaker 2: is scary.

1842
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 4: Right.

1843
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 2: So, Chad Ryland to me was number two, so not

1844
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: too far off. My next one was Bailey z Appy,

1845
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 2: not that he didn't not that I expected him to

1846
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 2: have like this amazing spring or anything like that. I

1847
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: admit I almost feel a little bit bad for Bailey

1848
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 2: Zam But I don't tend to feel bad because they're all.

1849
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,919
Speaker 1: Making millions and like they'll all be fine in the grand.

1850
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 2: Scheme of things. But I do feel a little bit

1851
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 2: bad for Bailey Zappy because it just has to feel

1852
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 2: like such an elephant in the room. He hasn't been

1853
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 2: moved yet, at least mac Jones. At least mac Jones

1854
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 2: was able to close the book right like he was

1855
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 2: able to close the chapter of his career. It didn't

1856
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: end well, it was ugly, it didn't work. But now

1857
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: he's down in Jacksonville and he's the backup quarterback. He's

1858
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:40,799
Speaker 2: what's the guy from Blue Mountain State.

1859
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: Alex ma He's not quite Alex Moran.

1860
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 2: He's having the time of his life down there.

1861
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: He is, but he's I don't think he's quite Alex Marri.

1862
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 2: No, he's not. But he's having the time of his

1863
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 2: life down there. If you were Bailey ZAPPI aren't you

1864
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 2: just at this point, And I don't know that for

1865
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: a fact that he feels this way, but you have

1866
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 2: to think that he's he's begging to be traded.

1867
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: I think he still thinks he's gonna be the starter.

1868
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure he does. But at the same time, not

1869
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 2: only does he have to get through the quote unquote

1870
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: veteran starter, Yeah, he also has to get through the

1871
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 2: number three overall page.

1872
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I bomb him. I want to get moved

1873
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: before camp because I don't want to come in late

1874
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: having to learn them. I basically bomb him. I don't

1875
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: want to become Matt Corral, Will Greer, Nathan Rourke. Yeah,

1876
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: where I'm just there playing catchup. And that's nothing against

1877
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: those guys, and you know, who knows what was really

1878
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes last year with the quarterback position,

1879
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: But part of it was they just weren't caught up.

1880
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: They weren't there's a massive advantage of being there in camp.

1881
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 1: So I didn't even think to put Bailey's out because

1882
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: he was just so like after that first day, Remember

1883
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: remember when we were freaking out about him getting the

1884
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: second reps yep, out of sight, out of mind.

1885
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he reduced reps. As the spring went along, Drake

1886
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 2: May clearly jumped him on the depth chart. He had

1887
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 2: a few throws that I could say, were Oh, yeah,

1888
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 2: that was a nice throw in a notable type throws.

1889
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 2: But for the most part it was more of the

1890
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:57,599
Speaker 2: same of what we've seen.

1891
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 1: He had the same spring he's had, It's just the

1892
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: circumstances are incredibly different.

1893
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel for him a little bit.

1894
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: I do.

1895
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: I just feel like there's no purpose for him here. Yeah,

1896
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 2: and them stringing him along like this is really doing

1897
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 2: nobody any good and it has to create some sort

1898
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: of awkwardness a little bit in that quarterback room. So

1899
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 2: I look to still see them. I think they move

1900
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 2: him quickly if they can this summer. Could it turn

1901
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: into a Jakob Brissett twenty sixteen Reducts where he has

1902
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 2: a great it was twenty sixteen, right or twenty seventeen,

1903
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Years ago. Now, he has that great

1904
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 2: preseason game, the last preseason game it's the world on fire.

1905
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 2: They end up trading him for Philip Dorsett.

1906
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that would have been seventeen, right, Yeah, yeah, probably.

1907
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's necessarily in the cars with

1908
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 2: Bailey Zappy, but I wonder if there's a player for

1909
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 2: player trade. Hey, we're not this guy's being phased out

1910
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 2: of our program. He's being phased out of your program.

1911
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 2: You know, let's make something happen here. I'd almost rather

1912
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 2: than do that than ain't back a conditional seventh or

1913
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 2: sixth round pick, take back somebody that is gonna have

1914
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 2: to clear waivers and you know, might actually contribute to

1915
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 2: the team instead.

1916
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: All right. My third was just and this is again

1917
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 1: another usage one just as a whole. The offensive line.

1918
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of.

1919
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: Moving pieces the you know, we already saw the move

1920
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: Kane Wallace off left back, which I think is good

1921
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: for him. But he's moving Mike when winn is moving

1922
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,799
Speaker 1: back inside. It seems like already there's maybe some worry

1923
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 1: about if the initial plan is going to work up

1924
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: there a non padded so huge caveat, but like they

1925
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: didn't look great. The guard positions also kind of turning

1926
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: into a carousel. I just I didn't come out of

1927
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: the spring. I don't shocker. I didn't come out of

1928
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: the spring feeling great about where the offensive line is at.

1929
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 2: I almost had them on here. I did the caveat

1930
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 2: of I'm not gonna put trenches on here yet. But

1931
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 2: Brandon Thor in front of the program offensive line guy,

1932
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 2: big God offensive line guru. Established the run is where

1933
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 2: you can find this article. Every single year Brandon puts

1934
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 2: out offensive line rankings one to thirty two. He ranks

1935
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 2: the units, you know, the five man units, the Patriots,

1936
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 2: and this is just his initial ranking and he said

1937
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,560
Speaker 2: it's subject to change based off of training camp, preseason,

1938
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 2: you know, buzz that sort of stuff. But right now

1939
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 2: he has two teams and Tier six, which is the

1940
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 2: lowest tier, and he calls it bottom feeders. Number thirty one,

1941
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 2: your New England Patriots, the second worst offensive line in

1942
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 2: the NFL. Number thirty two the Washington Commanders. Yeah, ironically,

1943
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 2: both these teams have rookie quarterbacks that they want to

1944
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 2: play right away. So Brandon has the Patriots as the

1945
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 2: thirty first ranked offensive line on paper in the NFL.

1946
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 2: As of right now, he has it as Jukes of

1947
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 2: Corps for is the left to right Jukes of Corps

1948
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 2: for City. So David Andrews Laden Robinson, Mike On Winn

1949
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 2: who has Laden robb It's in that right guard obviously,

1950
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: that is. But basically the combination might move around a

1951
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: little bit. But as he points out, they're going to

1952
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 2: start a rookie somewhere. Yep, it's either going to probably

1953
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 2: be Leyton Robinson at right guard or Caden Wallace at

1954
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 2: right tackle. And the bigger thing that he points out

1955
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 2: is if it is a chukes on when you group

1956
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 2: at tackle, he is petrified to the pass protection of

1957
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 2: the edges. And one of the more concerning things about

1958
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 2: the entire right up, and I posted a screenshot on

1959
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 2: my Twitter so you can go ahead and read the

1960
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 2: entire write up, one of the bigger concerns about the

1961
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 2: entire rite up is how low Brandon is on Chukes

1962
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 2: a CORPS four playing left tackle. Just read a little

1963
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 2: bit of it here. This is this is gold. The

1964
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 2: team somehow is projected to have former Steelers mediocre at

1965
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 2: best right tackle chokes a chor for as they're starting

1966
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 2: blindside protector with at least some question marks everywhere or

1967
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 2: else aside from center.

1968
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: David Andrews get more out than I am.

1969
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 2: I can't disagree with him.

1970
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: No, he's not wrong, but.

1971
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 2: But the right up on choos of corral for is terrifying. Yeah,

1972
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 2: that he is basically saying that this guy wasn't was

1973
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 2: a borderline starter on the right side that they are

1974
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 2: now converting to We knew all of this, but it's

1975
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 2: just interesting to hear somebody like Brandon who watches the trenches.

1976
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: Generally and generally a very level headed guy.

1977
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: He's not one for hyperboles, yeah, or for like hot takes,

1978
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 2: Like he's not trying to be on you know, ESPN

1979
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 2: to spew hot takes. He's not Stephen A. Smith, right, Like,

1980
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 2: this is a guy that watches all thirty two offensive

1981
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 2: lines play religiously and grades them out. And he has

1982
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots currently as the second worst offensive line in

1983
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 2: the entire league. And as he said in the right Up,

1984
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 2: Drake May is a rookie quarterback. They want to play

1985
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 2: Drake May. We all want them to play Drake May.

1986
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 2: He didn't say this, but I'll add this context to

1987
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 2: as well. We've argued about it's a factor. It's a factor.

1988
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 2: We've argued about it back and forth. I'm not as

1989
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 2: people arguing about it. The point being is that I

1990
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 2: think it's interesting to hear somebody else say say the

1991
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 2: quiet part out loud, which is that on paper, uh,

1992
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 2: this offensive line is.

1993
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: Concerning Yeah, yeah, all right, where.

1994
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 2: Am I at? I'm at two? So I had Chad

1995
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 2: Ryland at two oh no, who is your third Bailey's happy?

1996
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, so I had Taekwana two. We

1997
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 1: already talked about him.

1998
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chad Ryland at two, we already talked about him.

1999
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 1: We don't have to think we have the same number one.

2000
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 1: Then Juju Smith Schuster the other thing.

2001
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 2: I was hoping that Juju would show some juju in

2002
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 2: the spring and look a little bit more like the

2003
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 2: guy that was in Kansas City two years ago. He

2004
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 2: told us at the podium that he's one hundred percent now,

2005
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 2: then he's not a problem. I'm beginning to think that

2006
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 2: it was just the knee. I think he just doesn't

2007
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 2: have the juice in his legs anymore. It happens, this

2008
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 2: happens for all receivers. At some point, he just does

2009
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:12,560
Speaker 2: not have any He doesn't pull away from anybody. The

2010
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 2: breaking point for me, and I think I've mentioned this before,

2011
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 2: he was running a shallow drag across the middle of

2012
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 2: the field, and I don't know if it was zoner Man.

2013
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 2: We don't get the luxury of looking back at the

2014
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 2: film or anything, so I'm just guessing that it was.

2015
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 2: It was some sort of zone. But the point being

2016
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 2: is that Joe Giles Harris practice squad linebacker was supposed

2017
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 2: to latch onto Juju coming across the field. Juju could

2018
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 2: not run away from Joe Giles Harris couldn't do it,

2019
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 2: just zero separation. He's there's no other path to me

2020
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 2: at this point with Juju. Then just eat the money

2021
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 2: and outright release him. So for one year, you're gonna

2022
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 2: have to deal with some dead cap. You have a

2023
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 2: cap to absorb it. Just do it. It's for the best.

2024
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 2: It was a bad contract, it was a bad move

2025
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 2: in free agency. I was tanned up. I was could

2026
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 2: not have been more wrong about this whole situation when

2027
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 2: it happened. So I'll own that they have to move

2028
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 2: on from Juju. It's just not gonna work here. And

2029
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if he necessarily has anything left.

2030
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I to go back to the special teams

2031
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: thing again, like he's gonna have to contribute somewhere else,

2032
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 1: And it's just not it's it's getting tough and tougher

2033
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 1: to see the path for him to the roster. All

2034
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: things considered, you put it all together, they're gonna have

2035
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 1: to figure something out with him, because I just even

2036
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 1: if you give them a roster spot he's gonna play,

2037
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: probably not. There's a lot of overlap with him in

2038
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 1: jaln Polk and they've said they want the kids to play,

2039
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 1: so they gotta maybe they can move him like they

2040
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:48,480
Speaker 1: moved John hu Smith, but they gotta figure something.

2041
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 2: Out another trade before the draft, right like this time

2042
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 2: of year, you're looking for him to be moved by

2043
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:57,679
Speaker 2: a team that has is I gets decimated by wide

2044
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 2: receiver injuries in training camp. You know, five guys pull

2045
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 2: their hamstring in the middle of the training camp and

2046
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 2: they and they're down a bunch of bodies. And you're

2047
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 2: probably looking at teams that have worked with him before.

2048
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 2: So Pittsburgh, Kansas City, it's possible that in Pittsburgh or

2049
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,679
Speaker 2: Kansas City that that could happen. You know, I think

2050
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 2: Kansas City looks pretty okay after drafting Xavier Worthy. You know,

2051
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 2: they have Xavier Worthy, they have Hollywood Brown now like

2052
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: they have their types and they have you know, we'll

2053
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 2: see what happens for she Rice, which is maybe the

2054
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 2: one the one thing with the Chiefs that could happen

2055
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 2: is if ra she Rice gets suspended for a significant

2056
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,280
Speaker 2: amount of time by the league for his off field

2057
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 2: stuff in theory. Juju plays a similar style as for

2058
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 2: she Rice. They're kind of similar guys, you know, those

2059
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 2: thicker inside receivers. Maybe they could look at that and say,

2060
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 2: at least we know what we're going to get out

2061
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 2: of Juju. It's a one for one swap in terms

2062
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:58,440
Speaker 2: of roll, and we keep it rolling with the Chiefs Pittsburgh.

2063
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:02,640
Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson's not there anymore. They move on from him.

2064
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't think that they had the depth they

2065
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 2: once stayed at receiver. I guess is they probably drafted

2066
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 2: somebody that they like, like they always do. But it's possible.

2067
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 2: It just in order for us Bold I feel like

2068
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 2: to feel differently about Juju, he had to have a

2069
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 2: standout spring. He had to renoticeable in the spring, and

2070
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,599
Speaker 2: he was the opposite and noticeable.

2071
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: It was.

2072
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 2: It was very much disappointing. So with Polk, with Baker,

2073
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, it just there's no playing time for him.

2074
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 2: Kendrick Born will come back, He'll be healthy. It's it's

2075
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 2: a long way to go to the roster for Juju.

2076
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 2: A lot of things they're gonna have to break his way.

2077
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 2: I got anything else that was our.

2078
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:46,639
Speaker 1: No I think that's pretty much it.

2079
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, pretty good week in Boston sports. We

2080
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 2: can talk a little Boston sports here before we wrap

2081
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 2: it up. You know, it's the offseason, so we don't

2082
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 2: necessarily have a full two hour of Patriots talk for you,

2083
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 2: but there was there was more news than usual with

2084
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 2: the Patriots. You know, we got more Stevenson, we got

2085
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 2: some training camp dates, so that was cool. But you

2086
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 2: were at the parade on Friday. We did not meet

2087
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:09,919
Speaker 2: up for the parade, which is a little disappointed.

2088
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean it would have been tough. It was. You

2089
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 1: couldn't get any I do it.

2090
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 2: When you texted me, I was like, I don't think

2091
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna get any closer. So where were you for

2092
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 2: the Celtics parade?

2093
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,679
Speaker 1: So I ended up down by by Park Street Government Center.

2094
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 2: I actually that's pretty far considering how pacton was that

2095
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 2: you guys got well.

2096
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 1: So not only that, I went with a buddy of

2097
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 1: mine who did it. I mean, excellent James Devlin impression.

2098
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 1: Just got us right to the front. I mean we

2099
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 1: got there maybe five minutes before they rolled through, Like

2100
01:41:38,479 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: we got off the tee, the parade was already rolling

2101
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:44,639
Speaker 1: and yeah, just got you know, got behind the fall

2102
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: back right we were probably in terms of people like

2103
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: two three rows back right on it was at the

2104
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 1: shot was in of where we were. You can't see

2105
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 1: us through so many people, but like the shot of

2106
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: where we were was in a bunch of the videos

2107
01:41:56,479 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: and recaps and stuff, because I forget named street I

2108
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 1: was on. But like it's like this narrow street and

2109
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: as there's big buildings next to it, and as the

2110
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: boats come by, you can see like Tatum doesn't expect

2111
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 1: there to be just this wall of people in what

2112
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 1: was essentially an alley, right, and he lifted the trophy

2113
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:18,640
Speaker 1: up and it was it was yeah, just and then

2114
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 1: it was a great day, just you know, hung out

2115
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: in the city for a little bit after the vibe

2116
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 1: in the city was awesome. People were great, awesome, awesome days.

2117
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 2: Do it against So, yeah, we were on Causeway and

2118
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 2: as you know the causeway, there's buildings on both sides, right,

2119
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 2: the garden's on the right. If you're looking at it,

2120
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 2: you know, Topins on your right, then the then the garden,

2121
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 2: and on your left is tavern in the square A

2122
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 2: and Bie Burger. As you moved down, there's no place

2123
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 2: to go. It's it's literally a bottleneck, like there's no

2124
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 2: place to go. And there it had to have been

2125
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen people deep, and so the back row

2126
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 2: of people were just pushed up against like their backs

2127
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 2: were against the garden structure, you know, and there was

2128
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 2: no place to go. And it started a few minutes late,

2129
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 2: like I think they started rolling at maybe like eleven

2130
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 2: ten or something like that. So the natives were getting

2131
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 2: restless because it was eighty five degrees and then you

2132
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 2: have probably fifty thousand people packed into like a couple

2133
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 2: of city blocks. It was getting a little dicey there.

2134
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 2: For a few minutes, someone passed out standing next to us,

2135
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 2: and they needed like emt attention. It was scary. Some

2136
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 2: woman just collapsed, so that was a little bit scary.

2137
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 2: But once they started rolling, just an awesome, awesome event.

2138
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 2: And I think you could see from the players faces

2139
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 2: just I don't even think they realized how many people

2140
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 2: they were really gonna be and you could definitely tell.

2141
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 2: And I was listening to your station on the way

2142
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 2: in ninety five they had Jared Carabison and they said

2143
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 2: something that really made me want to pull over and vomit.

2144
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 2: Tyler Millican know in Red Sox hard Oh Tyler Millican,

2145
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 2: like Tyler has no recollection of the two thousand and

2146
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 2: four Red Sox, no recollection of the two thousand and

2147
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 2: four Red Sox. And it dawned on me because I

2148
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 2: also noticed, just looking around how young the demographic was

2149
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 2: and the people that were there, that a lot of

2150
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 2: these people are probably kind of new to this a

2151
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 2: little bit, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, the

2152
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight twenty eighteen Patriots, twenty eighteen Red Sox,

2153
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 2: that was five years ago. So if you're like twenty,

2154
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 2: you were fifteen fourteen fifteen, that you were in high

2155
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:47,759
Speaker 2: school when that happened, right, If you're like a college

2156
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 2: kid now, you were young, and then you have to

2157
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 2: go all the way back to you know, twenty sixteen pads,

2158
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen pages.

2159
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,719
Speaker 1: It's the second longest title Drought we've had since nineteen sixty.

2160
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 1: It's the longest since.

2161
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 2: It's a two. It showed because the people that were

2162
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 2: out there were acting like this was the first title

2163
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 2: they've ever seen, right, And when I really started to

2164
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 2: think about it, if you were really just if you're

2165
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 2: Celtics number one and you're truly a die hard bleed

2166
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 2: Green Green teamer. Yeah, you have to go all the

2167
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 2: way back to two thousand and eight since the last title.

2168
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 2: So if you're twenty in two thousand and eight, you're

2169
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 2: Tyler Milliken. You have no recollection of them winning in

2170
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight.

2171
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:26,720
Speaker 1: That's wild.

2172
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:29,080
Speaker 2: So for a lot of people, I could just tell

2173
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 2: based off the parade. You know, I was in high

2174
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 2: school when they won in two thousand and eight. You

2175
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 2: were probably two. I was at that parade. I remember

2176
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 2: it like it was yesterday, But a lot of people

2177
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 2: probably weren't even there because they were like three years old, right,

2178
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 2: And that definitely shows from that other Boston News. Are

2179
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:49,759
Speaker 2: you in on the socks? How about them Red Sox?

2180
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm about it there. I mean they're fun, they're fun.

2181
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 1: We'll see. You know, this is baseball. You go through

2182
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, peaks and valleys, and they're playing really well

2183
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 1: right now. Don't want to minimize their minimize what they're doing.

2184
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: They're obviously playing credibly well, and they have a real

2185
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 1: chance here coming up because they play I think it's

2186
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: their next five or six series they've won against the Yankees,

2187
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 1: and then the rest are either teams that are just

2188
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 1: outright bottom feeders or teams in the al wild card

2189
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,919
Speaker 1: hunt where they can you know, create socition for themselves.

2190
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 1: So really key, it's like three weeks here and that

2191
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 1: will take us up to mid July, and then you know,

2192
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,519
Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of when he comes to trade deadline,

2193
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: if you're especially if you're a team like the Red Sox,

2194
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 1: if you're a team that doesn't have as much a

2195
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 1: margin for her, don't wait till July thirty. First, make

2196
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 1: the move. You get more first of all, it's more

2197
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: of a buyer's market earlier. On second all, you get

2198
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 1: more bang for your buck, especially if you're gona trade

2199
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 1: for a starting pitcher. If you trade form on July tenth,

2200
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: it'said July thirty. First, it's three four more starts he's

2201
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna make for you. And if you bought them out,

2202
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 1: you just trade them away at the deadline again. So

2203
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 1: I you know, let's see what they do with the deadline.

2204
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: But they're the players themselves are showing the decision make

2205
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: is that this is a team worth investing in.

2206
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 2: They play hard, they're very athletic, They run the bases

2207
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 2: extremely well, steal a lot of basses. They play the outfield,

2208
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 2: I think pretty well, or at least Aran and Rafaela, and

2209
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 2: they're out there.

2210
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 1: They more so, they're just showing that they're like they're

2211
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 1: bought in. Yeah, it's more than any sort of x's

2212
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,640
Speaker 1: and o's thing. They're bought and that I know that

2213
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:26,719
Speaker 1: sounds dumb, but like baseball is such a long season

2214
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 1: and in the past, it's a little lesser now that

2215
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:31,599
Speaker 1: you have more teams making the playoffs, but you could

2216
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:32,679
Speaker 1: be out of it at this point.

2217
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 2: That's my biggest ut with them right now is that

2218
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 2: they are so young and it's a long season, and

2219
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,759
Speaker 2: what happens in August, it happens in early September.

2220
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:45,599
Speaker 1: All the more reason. It's all the more reason to invest,

2221
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: because you get that jolt, you get that bump when.

2222
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 2: We're just worry that not to cut you off, but

2223
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 2: you just worry that Duran is one of those like

2224
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 2: he's he should be an All Star. That's that's a

2225
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 2: campaign that we need to all get behind. But is

2226
01:47:57,680 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 2: he one of those guys that's gonna have a great

2227
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 2: first task? So and then I've actually spent some time

2228
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 2: around Jaron Duran. He was at the lowl Spinners when

2229
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 2: I was there. Yeah, I'm not worried about Charon Durant

2230
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:09,879
Speaker 2: as a competitor.

2231
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: No, not at all.

2232
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Worry about him as a competitor, But I think he

2233
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 2: can be streaky as a hitter.

2234
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, they have a bunch of guys, and

2235
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 1: that's that's why I'm not like so over the moon,

2236
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 1: like Duran's streaky. Rafael is a streaky hitter, like they

2237
01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 1: have some guys Tyler O'Neill's streaky hitter and have struggled

2238
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: to stay healthy. So this is what it looks like.

2239
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:28,599
Speaker 1: It's firing on when it's fired on all cylinders. Yeah,

2240
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how sustainable this is. Maybe they can play,

2241
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, better than the five hundred ball they were

2242
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,800
Speaker 1: playing for most of the season before this. But that's

2243
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,960
Speaker 1: where you add a right handed bat, especially first basement,

2244
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 1: if you add a starting pitcher, even you add a

2245
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: designated hitter, because the one guy I'm really worried about

2246
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 1: right now is Yoshida. Yeah, if you can add a

2247
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: right handed bat as a designated hitter, first basement, if

2248
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 1: you can add a starting pitcher, it creates a little

2249
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 1: more margin for error for when those guys do go

2250
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: back and and kind of regress to the mean, which

2251
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 1: nothing against them. It will happen. It's baseball. It's a

2252
01:48:59,000 --> 01:48:59,719
Speaker 1: long season.

2253
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 2: I just don't want to have because we've heard this

2254
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 2: last couple of years. I don't want to hear that

2255
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 2: the addition is Tristan Cossus.

2256
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna hear Tristan costUS, Vaughan Grissom in. They'll

2257
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 1: call up like Nico Cavadas, or they'll call up Brian

2258
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 1: Matter or somebody. Yeah, but Tristan Costs was part of

2259
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:15,719
Speaker 1: the plant.

2260
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 2: Like he's on the team, right, so when he comes back,

2261
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 2: you're really just getting back to level with the fact

2262
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 2: that he's healthy. So yeah, they I really feel like

2263
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 2: starting pitching is if they can get. And this goes

2264
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 2: back to the off season, which is why I'm so

2265
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,680
Speaker 2: still kind of bummed out about the whole situation, is

2266
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:33,960
Speaker 2: because they had just paid one of the starters. Like, no,

2267
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:35,880
Speaker 2: it didn't have to be Yama Moto. I understand that

2268
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 2: was a whole lot of money, right, but like Jordan

2269
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 2: Montgomery for example, they just paid that guy, and then

2270
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 2: you would have gotten this season out of how you

2271
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 2: would have had Brian Beao, who's streaky as well up

2272
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,680
Speaker 2: and down, but a solid number two pitcher of how

2273
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 2: is a true ace. And then you have Jordan Montgomery

2274
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:56,719
Speaker 2: as your number three, like now you actually have a rotation.

2275
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,599
Speaker 2: And they all they had to do was was paid

2276
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 2: that one guy? What did he get? Like one year,

2277
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 2: twenty million or something like that, And all of this

2278
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 2: would have felt a lot more real. It would have

2279
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 2: felt a lot more real. Last thing on the other teams,

2280
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 2: the Boston sports an ode to Lean, this Holmark an

2281
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 2: ode to the goalie hug. It had to be done.

2282
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 2: I didn't love the return. I hate Corpusolo. I hate

2283
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 2: that part of the trade. But just like with Dante

2284
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 2: Scarnekia and the Patriots offensive line goalie Bob, there is

2285
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 2: a chance. And I read a couple of different people's

2286
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,559
Speaker 2: takes on this, I know Ty was pretty Adamanto. Yeah,

2287
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:39,520
Speaker 2: he stakes Corpusolo, the goalie they got back in the trade,

2288
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:43,640
Speaker 2: but he was much better two years ago than he

2289
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 2: was last year. And statistically Ottawa was a terrible defensive team.

2290
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 2: So in theory, if you put give him the goalie Bob,

2291
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 2: you put him in front of a much better structured

2292
01:50:56,680 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 2: defensive team, he might be good enough to be Jormany

2293
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,639
Speaker 2: Swamon's backup, which is I guess I.

2294
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 1: Just where you have some younger goalies Brandon Pussy and

2295
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 1: I forget the name of the other guy, but they

2296
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:10,600
Speaker 1: have two younger goalies who are you know in the

2297
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:14,720
Speaker 1: pipeline are impressive prospects that are no they have to

2298
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:17,720
Speaker 1: clear waivers. So I'd hate to lose one of them.

2299
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 1: Because now you're tied to Corpaslo with his money. We'll

2300
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 1: see what he becomes. To me, this trade, I don't

2301
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 1: hate it as much as some people do. Yet. To me,

2302
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 1: this this trade comes down to what they do with

2303
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:32,679
Speaker 1: the twenty fifth pick. If they hit on the twenty

2304
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,439
Speaker 1: fifth pick, it's a great trade. If not, they if

2305
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna take on money, to me, I would have

2306
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 1: rather taken on Jacob Chickrin because.

2307
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 2: I guess is that they couldn't get Jacob Child I

2308
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 2: would decide I would. I feel like that's a no brainer.

2309
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 2: You get another left hand d in the top four.

2310
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:48,719
Speaker 2: I don't know how you say.

2311
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,240
Speaker 1: I would have tried to move another piece. I don't

2312
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 1: know exactly what their draft picks are, but maybe you

2313
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:54,680
Speaker 1: throw another pick to try to get check.

2314
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 2: Oh well, that was the whole thing, and they don't

2315
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:57,599
Speaker 2: have They didn't have any picks in the first three

2316
01:51:57,680 --> 01:51:59,719
Speaker 2: rounds because they've traded all of them.

2317
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 1: For we throw some I don't know. I would hate

2318
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 1: to see them lose one of their younger goalies to

2319
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 1: waivers because they're side to corp. They're tied to Corpaslo,

2320
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: who we suddenly find out isn't fixable. Yeah, because I

2321
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 1: guess the if I read this correctly, the numbers behind

2322
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 1: his actual numbers. So this is where oh, the nerd math,

2323
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:22,599
Speaker 1: the nerd math expected goals and all that, I guess

2324
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 1: was even worse. So you know what that maybe he'll

2325
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 1: be fine? Uh uh? Why am I suddenly he's going

2326
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: to figure it out?

2327
01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 2: To me? I agree with you. The twenty fifth pick

2328
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 2: is big because they didn't have a pick in the

2329
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:37,639
Speaker 2: first three rounds because they've traded all of them for

2330
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 2: the Tyler Bertuzzi's and the Garnet Hathaways of the world

2331
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 2: and stuff like that over the years, Dimitrio Orloft. But

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01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 2: the biggest thing I feel like is you have twenty

2333
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:50,720
Speaker 2: three million, twenty four million dollars in cap space. It's

2334
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 2: the first time in a couple off seasons where they've

2335
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:55,679
Speaker 2: had real cap space, right, and the only true big

2336
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:58,599
Speaker 2: contract is going to be Jeremy Swaymen. So Jeremy Swayeman's

2337
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:00,799
Speaker 2: probably going to come in at eight or nine million dollars.

2338
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 2: You should have a decent chunk of change to throw

2339
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 2: at a top six forward, So that needs to be

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01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 2: the move. I don't know who it is, Like, if

2341
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:14,879
Speaker 2: it's Elias Linnholm, it's fine. It's not what we all want, obviously.

2342
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Leon Drycidle in Edmonton, and I guess

2343
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:20,640
Speaker 2: after the game last night. Now, granted he's probably devastated

2344
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:22,679
Speaker 2: that they just lost Game seven in the Stanley Cup Finals,

2345
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 2: so probably not the best barometer, but he was pretty

2346
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:29,600
Speaker 2: luke warm about extending and resigning with the Oilers. So

2347
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,400
Speaker 2: if he comes available, that's that's a totally different ball game.

2348
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 2: He's an eleven twelve million dollar player. But that to

2349
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 2: me is the biggest thing. Is they have his gigantic need,

2350
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 2: especially if they can make it a center, but just

2351
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:42,680
Speaker 2: in general gigantic need for another top six four.

2352
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:44,679
Speaker 1: They need a center. I think they need a center.

2353
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:47,639
Speaker 2: Sea So if they can go out and get that player,

2354
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 2: then this trade becomes worth it. But I was surprised

2355
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 2: that they actually took on money like they did. I

2356
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 2: thought they were going to straight salary Dumpley in his

2357
01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 2: own work, but it seemed like to get the first

2358
01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:58,640
Speaker 2: round pick they had to take on.

2359
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,040
Speaker 1: I think they really wanted their pick. I know. Ty

2360
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Anderson from ninety eight five reported that they were talking

2361
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 1: to guys that the combine who were in that in.

2362
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:08,719
Speaker 2: That range, they must have somebody or a couple.

2363
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:10,639
Speaker 1: They must have a couple of guys that they Yeah.

2364
01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 1: Which again, if you draft the guy and he becomes

2365
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:14,679
Speaker 1: a stud, trade looks brilliant for a goalie. Were gonna

2366
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:17,760
Speaker 1: lose anyway for nothing if they blow the pick you

2367
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 1: gave away lest the winner.

2368
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, last thing on this and then we got to

2369
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 2: wrap it up.

2370
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2371
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 2: The fourth line guy that they got, Yeah, isn't it.

2372
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a Pat Maroon replacements. Yeah, it's

2373
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 2: like and that's not like a nobody you know. He's

2374
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 2: gonna be I think a tough grinder. It reminds me

2375
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:33,160
Speaker 2: a lot of Connor Wong.

2376
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 1: Connor Wong was thrown into the Mookie Vets trade and

2377
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:39,560
Speaker 1: it was all about, well for Duo's this MLB ready

2378
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 1: young twenties. He's gonna hit for some pop. And then

2379
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:46,440
Speaker 1: it was Jeter Downs was this top prospect and oh yeah,

2380
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:48,320
Speaker 1: we also got a catcher who was, like, I think,

2381
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 1: barely in the top twenty the Dodger system. And look

2382
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 1: at it now he was the guy and he's a

2383
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,200
Speaker 1: borderline all star. I think this was kind of a

2384
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 1: throw into the Brunes needed a fourth line. Or it

2385
01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 1: is probably how they got Autowity to eat twenty five

2386
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 1: percent instead of more of the contract, but or instead

2387
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:05,120
Speaker 1: of less the contract.

2388
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:09,240
Speaker 2: But maybe he becomes hockey Connor Wong. Bruns fans are

2389
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 2: gonna like him. Bruns fans love anybody that's.

2390
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but they're not because they don't like this

2391
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 1: trade and grind. They're not gonna like him because they

2392
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: don't like tough.

2393
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 2: It's tough to like trades like this, and we gotta wrap.

2394
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 2: But it's tough to like trees like this. Because we

2395
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 2: all loved Linas, so it's it's tough to trade a

2396
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 2: guy like Linas ol Mark. We loved the tandem, even

2397
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 2: though it financially never made any sense. It was just fun.

2398
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 2: They were fun. They bought into it. The goalie hug

2399
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 2: was obviously a big part of them winning games. We

2400
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 2: were not allowed to leave the Bruins game until after

2401
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 2: the goalie hug when they won when we were there,

2402
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:42,280
Speaker 2: like that was you know, that was the rule. So

2403
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 2: I get it. You know, it's always hard when you

2404
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 2: trade a fan favorite. It's a little bit like, you know,

2405
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:48,760
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna say, it's not like it's kind

2406
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 2: of like Marcus martin that sense where it's like I

2407
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 2: knew that it was the you know, we all kind

2408
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 2: of knew it was the best basketball move. But at

2409
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:58,320
Speaker 2: the same time, great Celtic, great Bruin. It is what

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01:55:58,400 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 2: it is.

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01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well lest Mark was here what like

2412
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 1: two years.

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01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I think Marcus smart so wrong. Anyways.

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