1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: This is the. 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Day BAQ podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: or whatever you listen. It's Tuesday, the sixth of Main London. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 3: I'm Caroline Hepke. 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: And I'm Stephen Carroll. 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 4: Coming up today, Friedrich Martz gets set to become Germany's 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 4: new chancellor this morning as HEBA is to hit the 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 4: ground running. 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: Forecasters say us Taris will force the Bank of England 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 3: to ramp up rate reductions. 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 4: Plus going going gone, evidence shows the UK's move to 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 4: abolish non dom status may cost more than it raises. 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 4: Germany's parliament is set to elect Fredrick Mertz as the 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 4: country's next chancellor in the coming hours. The Conservative leader 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 4: will head a coalition alongside the Social Democrats at a 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: critical moment for Europe's largest economy. Our Germany Bureau chief 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 4: Christopher all World says Martz will be looking to follow 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 4: through on his to enhance his country's role in European security. 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 5: Pushing through economic reforms will will definitely be on top 22 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 5: of his list and also will be particularly in focus 23 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 5: in coming days. Will be his efforts to liaise with 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 5: other European leaders like French President in Manuel Macron. All 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 5: the Polish president to join has been notably passive under 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 5: outgoing chance all of shots, and Mattz really has pledged 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 5: and maybe one of his top priorities to change that 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 5: and play also like a more active role on the 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 5: European stage. 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: Again Christopher Farrewell speaking there. 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 4: Once sworn in, Martz will preside over his first cabinet meeting. 32 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 4: Germany's economy is stagnating after two years of recession. Russia's 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 4: war in Ukraine is still raging to the east, and 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 4: support for the far right alternative for Germany is strengthening, 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: especially in former communists eastern regions of the country. 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: China's services activity fell to its lowest level in seven months, 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: according to a private survey. The Kaishin PMI or Purchasing 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: Managers Index fell to fifty point seven in April. That 39 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: is below the median forecast of fifty one point eight, 40 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: and it suggests a reduction in staff and new business orders. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: And Liz poll by Bloomberg forecast China's second quarter GDP 42 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: growth could slow to four point two percent, below the 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: finance Ministry's five percent target. 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 4: All thirty two economists in Bloomberg's survey believe the Bank 45 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 4: of England will cut interest rates this week. A quarter 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 4: point cut is baked in for the meeting this Thursday, 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 4: the fourth rate reduction from last year's peak of five 48 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: hunder quarter percent. Most economists expect the Center Bank to 49 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 4: switch to a dovish stance, judging that Donald Trump's tariffs 50 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 4: and uncertainty about his future plans will weigh on growth 51 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: and temper inflation. If the Bank of England cuts again 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 4: in June, it will be the first time borrowing costs 53 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 4: are lowered at successive meetings since early two thousand and 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: nine during the financial crisis. 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 3: Now, the UK's new taxes on non domiciled residents will 56 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 3: start costing more than they raise if one in four 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 3: of those affected leaves. That's according to the Center for 58 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: Economics and Business Research, which argues that the official forecast 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 3: has underestimated the risks. The Independent think Tanks managing economist 60 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 3: Sam Miley says that it's a risk to the public finances. 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: Ultimately, the policy is being made and supported by by 62 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: figures that are inherently uncertain, so it suggests that there 63 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: is a significant risk to fiscal matters based off what 64 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: is an entirely uncertain variable. 65 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: Miley's report comes as some of Britain's richest investors have 66 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: already said that they are leaving, including Gold and Sax's 67 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: Richard Noddy, a spokesperson for the Treasury, said that it 68 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: did not recognize the cebr's figures and that the Independent 69 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: Office for Budget Responsibility sees the changes raising thirty three 70 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: point eight billion pounds over the next five years. 71 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 4: UBS has agreed to pay five hundred and eleven million 72 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 4: dollars to settle a US investigation into how Credit Suisse 73 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: helped rich Americans to evade taxes, even after pledging to 74 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: stop the practice a decade ago. The resolution ends a 75 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 4: long running scandal involving the Lander, which was acquired by 76 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 4: UBS two years ago. UBS said in its first quarter 77 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: report that had had a provision for potential costs tied 78 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: to the case, but didn't disclose an amount. 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: Ford suspending its full year guidance, saying that it expects 80 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: a one and a half billion dollar hit to profits 81 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: due to President Trump's tariffs. The news comes despite the 82 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: carmaker reporting first quarter profit that beat expectations. Speaking to analyst, 83 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: CEO Jim Farley said, the firm is still unsure of 84 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: the full impact of levies. 85 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 6: It's still too early to fully understand our competitors' responses 86 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 6: to these tariffs. It's also early to gauge the related 87 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 6: market dynamics, including the potential industry wide supply chain disruptions 88 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 6: and the impact of Ford's domestic manufacturing advantages. As a result, 89 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 6: we decided to suspend our guidance. 90 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: Ford's Jim Farley speaking there despite the negative impact of 91 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 3: the automaker's bottom line, and Farley went on to voice 92 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: support for the Trump administration's efforts to bring auto manufacturing 93 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: back to the United States. Ford's shares fell two point 94 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: four percent in after hours training on Monday. 95 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 4: The clash between President Trump's administration and Harvard is continuing 96 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: as the White House blocks new funding for the university. 97 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 4: It comes after accusations of ideological bias at the institution 98 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 4: by the US government and its conservative allies. Bloomberg's tiwa 99 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: Adebayo has more. 100 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 7: Harvard University has been declared ineligible for new research grants 101 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 7: from the federal government. That's after Education Secretary Linda McMahon 102 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 7: sent a letter to the Ivy League school warning access 103 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 7: to financial support would be withheld until they could demonstrate 104 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 7: what she calls responsible management. Bloomberg understands that to reverse 105 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 7: the dictat Harvard will need to end negotiation with the administration. 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 7: Sources close to the matter say the change could affect 107 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 7: over one billion dollars annually for the university, although the 108 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 7: administration did not immediately detail the figure. In response, a 109 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 7: Harvard spokesperson said the latest demands amount to improper control 110 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 7: of the institution with chilling implications for higher education in London. 111 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 7: To you at a Baio Bloomberg Radio. 112 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 3: And those are some of your top stories. Now let's 113 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: get to the markets this morning. On the Bloomberg Dollar 114 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: Spot Index, the dollar is up a tenth of one 115 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 3: percent Taiwan as dollar appreciation is stabilizing this morning, Asian 116 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: efcts setting really after a couple of days of gains. 117 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: You've also got US DOT futures in the red. So 118 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: then as that features down by almost half of one 119 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: percent of this morning this as we're looking at European 120 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: stocks also down just a fraction, although actually Germany did 121 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: reasonably well yesterday. You did see the xetradacs, gaining about 122 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: just over one percent of the close yesterday, so just 123 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: shy of record highs Ford stock, though, fell two and 124 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 3: a half percent and extended trading Palanted, big tech firm, 125 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: also fell over nine percent in after hours. US treasuries 126 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: had a week session yesterday, tenure yields. This morning, we'll 127 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: begin trading at four thirty four. This is gold takes 128 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: its two day rally now to more than four percent. 129 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: So gold continuing to rally. We up eight tenths of 130 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: one percent this morning. That is a look at the markets. 131 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: In a moment, we'll bring you more on the challenges 132 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 4: facing Germany's new chancellor, plus why the much heralded end 133 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 4: of the non done tax status in the UK might 134 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 4: not be as good for the public finance as as 135 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: the government has hoped. But another story that's caught ry 136 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: this morning, or I should say series of award winning stories, 137 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: because a Bloomberg News's City Lab has won a Pulitzer 138 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 4: Prize for Criticism for a collection of essays from our 139 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 4: colleague Alexandra Lang. 140 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: This is a fascinating series. 141 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: I love City Lab because I love thinking about the 142 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 4: cities that we live in and how we can basically 143 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 4: change them for the better. And Alexandra has written a 144 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: series of pieces about the use of public spaces and 145 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: how they can be better for families. And they're not 146 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 4: just fascinating to read. There's some really interesting ideas in 147 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: there as well, the idea of making public spaces you know, better, 148 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: easier for families to be able to live and to 149 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 4: be able to also keep families in city centers. 150 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: Yes, she writes about how design promotes better mental health 151 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: for children. She's written about how burnt out parents need 152 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: better public spaces, about how the physical design of sort 153 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: of housing and transportation of public spaces. Yes, it's the 154 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: range about which she writes is so interesting. And also 155 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 3: as a parent, it really brought this to mind that 156 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: people often don't understand how fundamental certain play equipment is. 157 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: Why do you always see, you know, the swing or 158 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: the monkey bars in children's playgrounds. It's hugely important for 159 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: child development. Basically, things like writing monkey bars are massively 160 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: important for that people don't often understand and why those 161 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: things exist. And she really brought all of that stuff 162 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: about focus. 163 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 4: It's not just about not using screens. Essentially, there's a 164 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: lot more to us. But look as action of our stories, 165 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 4: we'll put a link in our show notes for the 166 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 4: Bloomberg Daybreag Europe podcast to some of those award winning pieces. 167 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 4: And congratulations to Alexandra Lang. 168 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: Now, more than two months after Germany's federal election, Fredrich 169 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: Mertz finally becomes chancellor today. He's coming to power at 170 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: a critical time for Europe's largest economy. Our EMEA News 171 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: director Rossy Matheson joins us now for more Good Morning Roz. 172 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: What's at stake then, do you think for Germany under 173 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: Mertz's leadership? 174 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 8: Now, they're important changes he's already been trying to bring in, 175 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 8: as we know, trying to get the deckcap change and 176 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 8: also you know, in a big increase in infrastructure and 177 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 8: defense spending for Germany at a time that the economy 178 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 8: has really been stagnating, and fundamental questions about how do 179 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 8: you take an economy that's very much based around manufacturing 180 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 8: and how do you adjust that for a modern world 181 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 8: and make it competitive And so, like a lot of countries, 182 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 8: there are questions about what are the new big things 183 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 8: that are going to propel the German economy and how 184 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 8: do you shift its manufacturing base again to something else? 185 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 8: And so there's a lot of expectations there for him, 186 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 8: obviously for Germany, but also for Europe as a whole, 187 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 8: because the backdrop, of course is the trade tensions with 188 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 8: the US, the Trump administration questioning Europe's ability to take 189 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 8: care of itself and defend itself, the need to find 190 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 8: a solution to Russia's war to Ukraine. So there's an 191 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 8: awful lot on his plate, and the question is what 192 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 8: is he going to do that his predecessors. 193 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: Did not ras. 194 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 4: Of course, even before Kredich Wertz became chancellor, he's already 195 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 4: managed to get this package through the bonder Stag, which 196 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 4: has gone see a massive increase to defense and infrastructure 197 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: spending and changes to the rules around spending on defense 198 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 4: in general. How quickly will he be able to start 199 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: spending that money? 200 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 8: Pushing to start pretty quickly, and that's mostly on the 201 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 8: infrastructure side, so you could see increases in spending around railways, bridges, 202 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 8: highways fairly quickly out of this, although again these things 203 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 8: don't get built in a day, but they will lay 204 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 8: the bones of a broader revamp of the economy over time. 205 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 8: The question is we know that, in fact, there's already 206 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 8: some money in the mix in Germany, but it's been 207 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 8: unable to be spent because of a lot of rules 208 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 8: around the way that bureaucracy works and so on, and 209 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 8: getting permissions and plannings, and so it's not just about 210 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 8: getting the money there to spend it, it's also about 211 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 8: making it easier for it to be spent and to 212 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 8: cut red tape. And that's something that we're not necessarily 213 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 8: hearing a lot of clarity on as yet from. 214 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: This incoming administration. 215 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 8: Is you've got the money, but how do you make 216 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 8: sure it goes where it needs to go? And it 217 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 8: sounds like they are keen to start spending it quickly, 218 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 8: but there are a lot of issues around how they 219 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 8: get that money where it needs to be and to 220 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 8: do so quickly. 221 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: Mattz has also made big promises to curb illegal migration. 222 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: I mean, this is a lot of countries in Europe 223 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: are talking about now. It could also create problems with 224 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: Germany's neighbors, well. 225 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: It could. 226 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 8: It could create problems both at home and with its neighbors. 227 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 8: As you say, I mean, they're grappling with the rise 228 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 8: of the anti immigrant party, the AfD, which has only 229 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 8: just been formerly classified recently as a right winging extremist group. 230 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 8: So that's very much back in the news and in 231 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 8: the conversation in Germany, so pushing those to take a 232 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 8: harder line on migration. And the question is what does 233 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 8: that look like and what is the impact on the region, 234 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 8: Because as we know, migration questions in Europe aren't just 235 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 8: confined to one country. So if one country shots its 236 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 8: borders or says it's taking fewer migrants, where do those 237 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 8: migrants go? Is there a knock on effect on other 238 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 8: countries which then have to grapple with those people diverting 239 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 8: And so you get a lot of questions from neighbors 240 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 8: about what does this mean for them? If these people 241 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 8: come towards Germany get turned away, where. 242 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: Else do they go? 243 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 8: Because Germany's really under Angla Mercle, particularly when she was Chancellor, 244 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 8: really sort of became known as a place that was 245 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 8: willing to take migrants, especially during some of the waves 246 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 8: that we saw because of conflict in the Middle East 247 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 8: and people coming from North Africa. So if that changes 248 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 8: and these people get sent somewhere else, that's going to 249 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 8: raise tensions inevitably with other countries in Europe. 250 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 4: What about Fromerts himself. Even since the elections, he's been 251 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 4: under pressure and the polls. 252 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 8: Well, it's funny because normally leaders come in with the 253 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 8: honeymoon period, you know, but also high expectations, and so 254 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 8: if they don't deliver quickly, there's a crashing sense of disappointment. 255 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 8: Moses arguably already done some extraordinary significant things before he's 256 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 8: even in the chair as chancellor. But equally, his popularity 257 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 8: ratings are relatively low and have tended to be consistently 258 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 8: over years. So only at eighteen percent in one poll 259 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 8: said that they believed he do a better job of 260 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 8: running the country than Merkele, and almost half said they 261 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 8: expect him to be worse. So perhaps the benefit of 262 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 8: low expectations is that Merz actually only has upside from 263 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 8: here to deliver and doesn't collide with the idea that 264 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 8: he has to be doing a lot quickly. But that said, 265 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 8: it does point to the challenges he faces about selling 266 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 8: his agenda to the German people, selling himself to the public, 267 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 8: and we've seen that over and over again. So the 268 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 8: question is he's got a lot he wants to do, 269 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 8: can he find a way to sell it to the 270 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 8: German people? 271 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: Okay, rolls, thank you so much for being with us 272 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: o AREMA News director Rosson Matheson. 273 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: The Britain's labor government has talked a lot about ending 274 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: the so called non dom tax stile last October's budget, 275 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 4: saying it would help to boost the tax take. But 276 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 4: after changing the rules, a new report from the Center 277 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: for Economics and Business rese it suggests the tax change 278 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: will end up costing more than it raises if the 279 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 4: wealthy people who held the status leave the country. Are 280 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: UK Parltic supporter of James Welcock joins US Now for 281 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: more on this story. James, what does this new report 282 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 4: say and why does it make difficult reading for the government. 283 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: Well, the tax was supposed to. 284 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: Raise revenue, Stephen, by changing how people who are not 285 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: tax resident in the UK, but often quite wealthy and 286 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: live in the UK pay it. They would now all 287 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: be paying their tax on foreign earnings. But this report 288 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: says firstly, the OBR is overestimating how much the tax 289 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: will raise by taking the wealthiest people when it made 290 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: the estimates, and itutates the taxi seeds to find out 291 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: the obr's estimating the new tax will bring in four 292 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: million pounds per person, and they're like, it's probably closer 293 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: to six hundred thousand pounds per person. And secondly, they're 294 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: saying there are some wild ranges in the estimates of 295 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: how many people will leave in response to this tax. 296 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: The OBI say it's twelve percent, Oxford economics say it's 297 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: thirty two percent. And then there are surveys of some 298 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: sort of non doms, some sort of wealthy private tax 299 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: lawyers who coul put the number higher, closed to even 300 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: sixty percent. They then don't take of you on how 301 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: many people are leaving, but they say if more than 302 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: one in four do leave, that's the point in their 303 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: analysis where the treasury starts losing money. And this is 304 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: very difficult for the government because they have said this 305 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: is an ideological commitment. It's in Labor's manifesto, but it's 306 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: framed as making people money. The government say this is 307 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: supposed to make thirty three billion over five years. And 308 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: this report, which I note although it is independent, is 309 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: commissioned by think tank link to Onward, a conservative think tank, 310 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: as saying it's actually quite a gamble and at the 311 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: twenty five percent mark, you'll start becoming a fiscal risk. 312 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, And The issue is that there are only tens 313 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 3: of thousands of these extremely wealthy individuals, and so actually 314 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: it only depends on a relatively small number of people 315 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: changing their behavior. How likely is it then that the 316 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: ultra wealthy will go I mean, Bloomberg, we've already reported 317 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 3: a lot of individuals and what their movements. 318 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: Are I mean, as you say, it's a really difficult question. 319 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: So seventy four thousand ish they'reabouts in the UK right now. 320 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: Because you have to self declare to the HMRC that 321 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: you're doing this, the data is a two year time lag, 322 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: so we won't know for sure for two years. All 323 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: I have for you, Caroline are estimates, anecdotes and precedent estimates. 324 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: We've gone through between about twelve percent to upp as 325 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: high sixty. 326 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: Then anecdotes. 327 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: We're hearing Goldman's Richard Noddy is already left for Milan. 328 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: The real estate magnates Ina Richard Livingston, they've left for Monaco. 329 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: So we are. 330 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: Seeing certain reports that some individuals are leaving, but some 331 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 2: doesn't equate to any kind of number and precedent. When 332 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: Switzerland put in a players attacks on it's wealthy in 333 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: the long run, thirty percent left. So at the very 334 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: least the obr's estimate we can comfortably say is at 335 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: the lower bound of where this is. But as to 336 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: where it will end up, it's hard to tell. London 337 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: has a lot going for it. It has all these amenities. 338 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: It has a very nice place to live, I mean, 339 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: apart from the back holiday, you could say it has 340 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: nice weather as well. The danger, though, is that there 341 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: is a risk of what's called a wealth fleeing spiral, 342 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: where if all your friends are going, if you will 343 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: also could go. If there's a lot of tax advisors 344 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: offering you a way out, it might be time to leave. 345 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: Well, if they do leave, where are they're likely to go? 346 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 3: Well? 347 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: I mean you have the greatest hits Stephen of tax havens, Switzerland, Monaco, 348 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: the Bahamas, but increasingly with seeing new countries, especially in Europe, 349 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: who are trying to lure in some of these kind 350 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 2: of very wealthy, mobile, sort of high capital individuals. Italy 351 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: you have a flat tax currently of one hundred thousand euros, 352 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: and then after that you can have any sort of 353 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 2: foreign games you want. That's rising to two hundred thousand euros. 354 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: So getting quick Greece if you invest half a million euros. 355 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: You can then play a fat tax, a flat tax 356 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: of one hundred thousand for fifteen years, or you go 357 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: to Dubai where they don't levy any income or wealth 358 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: tax whatsoever. 359 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 4: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 360 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 4: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 361 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 3: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, 362 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 3: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 363 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 364 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 4: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 365 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 3: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 366 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: Amazon Alexa devices. 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