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Speaker 3: All right, good morning everyone, it is Friday, December fifth.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to your Breaking Points Friday Show. We got Emily,

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Speaker 3: we got Ryan, and we have McCauley Holmes here in

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Speaker 3: the studio today.

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Speaker 4: How's everybody doing.

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Speaker 5: Here's you Mac, how you do it? Fired up? Fired

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Speaker 5: up and ready to go incredible and no Crystal, no Sager.

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Speaker 5: We'll make it.

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Speaker 4: Everybody.

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Speaker 3: Feel free to tune out now or or go big

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Speaker 3: in the comments for us, you know, maybe support the

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Speaker 3: Friday Show. This this band of pirates. We have a

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Speaker 3: big show today. We've got more strikes on Venezuela. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna be talking to Ryan about his war on the

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Speaker 3: new Pentagon Press Corps. We've got some news on the

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Speaker 3: January sixth pipe bomber than Cash battel. We also have

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Speaker 3: a little bit more betting news. Perhaps we'll get into

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Speaker 3: bit of Olivia Nuzzy. So quite a big Friday show

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Speaker 3: plan for you today, but I wanted to start with Ryan. Ryan,

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Speaker 3: we have to ask you were on Steve Bannon's show

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Speaker 3: yesterday and do you have Are you ready to issue

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Speaker 3: an apology?

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Speaker 4: How dare you what happened here?

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Speaker 3: Should we just throw up a clip before Ryan defends himself,

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Speaker 3: Mac throw up a throw up a second.

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Speaker 4: Let's just give the audience some texture.

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Speaker 6: Let's look at some of this this glazing that took

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Speaker 6: place yesterday, glazing.

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Speaker 7: All over the story. You look forward to having you backward.

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Speaker 7: I want people to start going to your site on

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Speaker 7: drop site News. Where do people go? What's your social media?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, drop drop site news dot com on all social

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Speaker 8: uh and we're on all social platforms that you know

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Speaker 8: at drop Site News. Yeah, I think you're I think

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Speaker 8: the posse uh well, we'll find a lot useful there.

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Speaker 7: I think they will find a lot. You're an intrepid reporter, sir,

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Speaker 7: and a voice of truth. Sometimes people love it and

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Speaker 7: sometimes people love it less. But you're you're a warrior.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for drawing.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you. No warrior, Ryan, How to go?

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Speaker 9: Ryan?

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Speaker 5: It was hilarious.

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Speaker 8: I gotta make I'm gonna I guess that's gonna have

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Speaker 8: is just comical coming from Bannon. Awfully leathery dude, so

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Speaker 8: we had just published a story this week about how

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Speaker 8: Kere Starmer and his political machine had spent years actively

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Speaker 8: We covered the story yesterday because one of the outlets

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Speaker 8: The Federalist, where Emily used to work, and she remembers

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Speaker 8: the way that this was a quite effective actually attack

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Speaker 8: I don't think Bannon has a whole lot of love

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Speaker 8: By the way, for the book it's it's an adapted

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Speaker 5: But yeah, that's so. That was that was fun.

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Speaker 8: As as Emily knows, I listened to the war Room

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Speaker 8: sometimes to like keep up with what the populist right

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Speaker 9: It was like a longtime listener, first time, Yes, situation,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe that's what it is. This is this is

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Speaker 8: And people were asking if I asked him about the

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Speaker 8: Epstein connections. I had actually asked him about that two

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Speaker 5: But no, I hadn't. I didn't.

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Speaker 8: You can go watch the interview. I didn't ask questions

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Speaker 8: I was getting questions asked asked of me.

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Speaker 3: Well, uh, we accept your apology, Ryan for platforming this figure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, platformed him.

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Speaker 3: But Ryan, you will be sharing a seal next time.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to our top story today. More strikes in

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Speaker 3: relevant in the conversation here, Ryan, what do we make

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Speaker 8: I'm curious how Emily would understand this. But Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 8: to burn more more people alive. That doesn't feel And

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Speaker 8: maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong, and maybe Kirk would just

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Speaker 9: It's been interesting because the divide that I expected to

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Speaker 10: And I don't know why it's not there.

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Speaker 9: I think maybe people I would expect it to be

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Speaker 9: like if the entire predicate for this alleged operation was

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Speaker 9: more believable, that this was actually about the people who

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Speaker 9: are trafficking fetanyl into the country every single year and

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Speaker 9: But even in this situation where you have language that

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Speaker 9: I do know that it's really like the America first

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Speaker 9: world is pretty they're fine, pretty much pretty much fine

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Speaker 9: if actual I don't think they know how actual, like

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Speaker 9: if there's a power vacuum in Venezuela that starts to

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Speaker 9: feel a lot like Iraq in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 9: it's going to look like another blunder. I think pretty

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Speaker 9: obviously it's going to look like another blunder. And one

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Speaker 8: but I'll let people Josh.

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Speaker 10: Joe, you wouldn't say that.

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Speaker 8: I would never suggest that they're day drinking at the Pentagon.

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Speaker 8: Now that the actual press court, we'll get that.

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Speaker 4: We'll get that in a second.

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Speaker 3: But Mac, my question for you, Mac is like, you know,

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Speaker 4: Now it's podcasters.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess my question for Emily

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Speaker 6: actually do the full regime change, because that's like an

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Speaker 6: entirely different thing. Like I can see people excusing blowing

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Speaker 6: full blown regime change in the Western hemisphere, massive destabilization.

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Speaker 6: We're trying to force this Machado woman into power, Like,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and Narco Rubio is really intentionally making the argument

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Speaker 9: cheering this because it's about hemispheric defense. And I think

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Speaker 9: that's pretty obviously.

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Speaker 5: Yes, America firsts in like the Americas if anywhere.

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Speaker 9: Can be America anywhere can identify as an American border.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, I think that's why.

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Speaker 4: I just proved it, Ryan. What are we supposed to

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Speaker 8: And what's what's funny too, is that the Pentagon might

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Speaker 8: But yeah, but then, and I think Matt Cat's is

442
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Speaker 8: exactly right by the way that the F thirty five

443
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Speaker 8: is trash. It's a gigantic boondoggle. It's it's one more

444
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Speaker 8: ripoff of the American taxpayer in our military industrial complex.

445
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Speaker 8: But I also don't know like who's planting you know,

446
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Speaker 8: who's seating those questions? Like it that's that's that's the

447
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Speaker 8: uh yeah, that that's now.

448
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Speaker 5: The Old Press Corps is part of the old it's part.

449
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Speaker 8: Of the military industrial complex too, Like they benefit you know,

450
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Speaker 8: a lot of the trade press. You know sells their

451
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Speaker 8: you know products to Lockheed and you know, sells their

452
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Speaker 8: newsletters and whatnot to like Locko.

453
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Speaker 9: Well yeah, not even the trade press and all the others. Yeah,

454
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Speaker 9: even even like Politico Axios Lytico.

455
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Speaker 8: Yeah, like weapons makers are major funders of Watchington journalism.

456
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Speaker 8: So it's not like it would be unique, but but there,

457
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Speaker 8: but it's like acute corruption versus like general corruption anyway,

458
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Speaker 8: I don't know, Yeah, it's a And all of this

459
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Speaker 8: happened right after this, this second strike on September second,

460
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Speaker 8: Like if you look at the timeline heg Seth recreated,

461
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Speaker 8: you know what it means to be a Pentagon reporter

462
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Speaker 8: after this, And people who are close to him think

463
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Speaker 8: that those things are connected, that that he was doing

464
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Speaker 8: this as an effort to stop the Pentagon press from

465
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Speaker 8: looking into the war crimes that they're committing.

466
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Speaker 9: So I feel like they would be doing this regardless

467
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Speaker 9: because the Pentagon, and Ryan you'll know this better than

468
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Speaker 9: I do, But the Pentagon is this like massive, sprawling building,

469
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Speaker 9: and if you give reporters a physical foothold in the door,

470
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Speaker 9: which they had, and you're Pete Hegsath, and you know,

471
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Speaker 9: there are a lot of decisions that Pete Heggseth might

472
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Speaker 9: make to upset the war machine that we might like.

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Speaker 9: There are some that are not going to upset the

474
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Speaker 9: war machine that we will definitely dislike, for example, the

475
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Speaker 9: boat strikes. But there are a lot of like old

476
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Speaker 9: school Pentagon people in there that definitely are leaking to reporters.

477
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Speaker 9: And so I feel like they were trying to figure

478
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Speaker 9: out a way to make that stop and land it

479
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Speaker 9: on this bizarre policy. So I feel like they were

480
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Speaker 9: going to do this no matter what at some point

481
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Speaker 9: because they don't want these like Jennifer Griffin of Fox News,

482
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Speaker 9: who Hecksath snapped at, if everyone remembers in that press

483
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Speaker 9: or they cannot stand the people who have had their

484
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Speaker 9: offices there forever and they know they've got those they're

485
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Speaker 9: getting those coffees with the leakers people are coming in

486
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Speaker 9: and out all of that stuff. Because yes, you can

487
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Speaker 9: send classified information over signal for example.

488
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Speaker 10: You can leak it over signal for.

489
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Speaker 9: Example, but it's a whole lot easier to say something

490
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Speaker 9: in person.

491
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Speaker 10: So they they know. So that's why I think happened.

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Speaker 3: No matter what, So Pete Pete Hegseth takes over their

493
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Speaker 3: department has famous had had a drinking problem. Now I

494
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Speaker 3: guess everyone at the department has a drinking problem I've

495
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Speaker 3: ever seen. I've never seen someone have to slur surface

496
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Speaker 3: to air missile system. That's hard to say drunk. That's

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Speaker 3: a tongue twister. But Emily to your point earlier about

498
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Speaker 3: there being sort of like this like open area where

499
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Speaker 3: for like there there's a there's an open niche for

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Speaker 3: a more normal person to critique the Trump administration or

501
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Speaker 3: what have you. Perhaps it's not going to be happening

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Speaker 3: with cam Higbee and this press corps. Are there other

503
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Speaker 3: people that you could say, like, oh, like maybe this

504
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: person could come up and rise, rise to the moment

505
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Speaker 3: or are we just seeing like a lack of a

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Speaker 3: bench in the in the conservative commentator sphere and journalists sphere.

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Speaker 9: I always wait for Matt Kates to do it, honestly,

508
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Speaker 9: because Gates is on foreign policy, like really sharp about

509
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Speaker 9: these types of things.

510
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Speaker 10: It's mostly the foreign policy.

511
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Speaker 9: You know, he was trying to get rid of the AUMF,

512
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Speaker 9: he was trying to get our troops out of Africa. Like,

513
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Speaker 9: he's actually very opposed to a lot of the old

514
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Speaker 9: school not neo cons but like even America First type

515
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 9: people who have new neo conservative sympathies. So it's there

516
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Speaker 9: for the taking if Gates wants it. He definitely dabbles

517
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Speaker 9: in it, that's for sure. Sager is somebody who does it.

518
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Speaker 9: But Sager is like definitely detached himself from the broader

519
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Speaker 9: conservative movement and isn't.

520
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Speaker 10: Like really a part of that world. So there's definitely

521
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Speaker 10: there's a lot of room and there.

522
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Speaker 9: I think people are misunderstanding why a lot of folks

523
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Speaker 9: turned to like the French commentators. It's like they're the

524
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Speaker 9: only ones criticizing this insane Venezuela policy.

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Speaker 10: That's it, Like, where else are you gonna get it?

526
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Speaker 9: You either have to like listen to the left or

527
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Speaker 9: I don't know a Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 3: Wow, a plethora of options here. Well, I wanted to

529
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Speaker 3: move us to this next story, Emily. I want to

530
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Speaker 3: throw to you for this one. This is the January sixth,

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Speaker 3: pipe bomber, folks, we got him. Mission accomplished. Mac if

532
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Speaker 3: you could throw up this tear sheet and Emily you

533
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Speaker 3: could kind of fill in the details. But it says

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Speaker 3: the Trump dooj has to suspect Brian Cole arrested and

535
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Speaker 3: facing explosive charges. What do we know about Brian Cole?

536
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Speaker 9: Emily, Yeah, we're starting to learn more. So what happened

537
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Speaker 9: is out of absolutely nowhere. Yesterday the FBI announced that

538
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Speaker 9: they had made this arrest. They had a very vague

539
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Speaker 9: press conference, and then Cole was charged in court. So

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Speaker 9: Cole was in Woodbridge, Virginia, so a suburb of Washington,

541
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Speaker 9: DC and thirty year old right now, sort of been

542
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Speaker 9: about twenty five back in twenty twenty one. The charging document,

543
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Speaker 9: I have it up in my screen says he has

544
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Speaker 9: five feet six inches tall and wears corrective eyeglasses. That

545
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Speaker 9: actually is important because as the hoodie suspect who placed

546
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Speaker 9: those pipe bombs behind the Republican National Committee and the

547
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Speaker 9: DNC then as well, was said to be roughly in

548
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Speaker 9: that height range, sort of a short person for a

549
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Speaker 9: man if it was a band.

550
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Speaker 10: But now the blaze came in hot a.

551
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Speaker 9: Couple of weeks ago and accused a woman who currently

552
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Speaker 9: works for the CIA of being the person in the hoodie.

553
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Speaker 9: According to Gate Analysis, they retracted that story yesterday. This

554
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Speaker 9: person has an alibi. They were said to be working

555
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Speaker 9: for Capitol Police at the time. So all that is

556
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Speaker 9: to say, the charging document makes it look a whole

557
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Speaker 9: lot like the FBI under the Biden administration had all

558
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Speaker 9: of the pieces of the puzzle and just did not.

559
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Speaker 10: Put them together.

560
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Speaker 9: And maybe that was for a nefarious reason, Maybe that

561
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Speaker 9: was out of incompetence. You know, it's always important to

562
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Speaker 9: remember incompetence. It is a good explanation for a lot

563
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Speaker 9: of what happens in DC. But for example, during twenty

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Speaker 9: nineteen and twenty twenty, the affidavit says Cole purchased multiple

565
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Speaker 9: items consistent with the components that were used to manufacture

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Speaker 9: the pipe bombs placed at the RNC and DNC. The

567
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Speaker 9: FBI obtained records for the checking accountants credit cards for

568
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Speaker 9: the time period from January twenty eighteen to January twenty

569
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Speaker 9: twenty one. Three additional credit cards were obtained for the

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Speaker 9: time period of January twenty eighteen to November twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 9: The FBI reviewed the transaction history for all of these accounts.

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Speaker 10: It looks like it was really basic police.

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Speaker 9: Work, to be honest, and the pieces probably could have

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Speaker 9: been put together a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: So where this They pinged a cell tower and then

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Speaker 3: they found that he bought parts and equipment right for

577
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Speaker 3: the prom.

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Speaker 9: Right exactly, so like pipe heads, all of those things.

579
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Speaker 9: They were able to, again do what's fairly basic police work.

580
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Speaker 9: And so where this is going politically Caftel, Dan Bongino, Pamboni,

581
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Speaker 9: they have all said that there was nothing new that

582
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Speaker 9: they did. They were just combing through the pre existing

583
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Speaker 9: investigation and looking for scraps of information that may already

584
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Speaker 9: be there. Obviously they didn't trust the investigation, and from

585
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Speaker 9: there they kind of found a break in the case.

586
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 9: They said it was quote forensic evidence. So where this

587
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 9: is going politically is already leaks have gone into different

588
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Speaker 9: media publications that Brian Cole may have some Antifa connections.

589
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Speaker 9: It looks like his family is left wing. Everyone should

590
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Speaker 9: be careful with that too, because that can even if

591
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Speaker 9: that is quote Antifa, even if he does have some

592
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Speaker 9: type of like Antifa motivation, you then have to ask

593
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Speaker 9: what the FBI's involvement with that Antifa group might have been,

594
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Speaker 9: because that's where this is all heading is, if the

595
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Speaker 9: FBI was aware of this information years ago, why did

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Speaker 9: they stop or why did they not figure it out publicly?

597
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Speaker 10: At least? I think there's some open questions. Yeah, and

598
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Speaker 10: there were.

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Speaker 9: They were very coy about assets in the crowd and

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Speaker 9: actual agents of the crowd on January sixth for a

601
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Speaker 9: long time, and then Thomas Matsy and others kind of

602
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Speaker 9: forced them to come to the table and say they

603
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Speaker 9: did have assets. Who were there, some who were just

604
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 9: there by happenstance they had been working with the FBI

605
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Speaker 9: as informants essentially, and were there others. I think it

606
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Speaker 9: was a couple at least that were there intentionally. So

607
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Speaker 9: I was at January sixth, I was like reporting.

608
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Speaker 10: And because I always had.

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Speaker 9: Quote unquote reporting, Well, actually I started that day at

610
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Speaker 9: the Ellipse aid Trump's speech, because there had been like

611
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Speaker 9: legit Antifa activity on Bill and Plaza, which was right

612
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Speaker 9: where Trump's speech was going to be, uh that whole summer,

613
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Speaker 9: and so that's why I went down there that day

614
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Speaker 9: and I ended up walking and trying to get interviews

615
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Speaker 9: with people who were walking over to the Capitol, and

616
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Speaker 9: I saw legitimate, genuine MAGA people be whipped into a

617
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Speaker 9: frenzy like that was not they were they were not.

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Speaker 9: It wasn't just a crowd of Feds. It was a

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Speaker 9: lot of like average you know. I saw soccer mom

620
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Speaker 9: at one point like ushering people over. You know. It

621
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Speaker 9: was like the craziest thing I've ever seen. It was

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Speaker 9: not at crowd of Feds. There are a lot of

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Speaker 9: people who have come out since because they were prosecuted

624
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Speaker 9: for it, told and said exactly why they did what

625
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Speaker 9: they did.

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Speaker 10: It's because they thought the electure was being stolen.

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Speaker 9: So if there are feds, we need to know if

628
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Speaker 9: if they were people contributing to the whipping of MAGA

629
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Speaker 9: into that frenzy, we need to know. It doesn't undermine

630
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Speaker 9: the fact that there were a whole lot of people

631
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Speaker 9: that did heinous illegal activity that day who weren't you know,

632
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Speaker 9: just doing it because FEDS were whipping them up and

633
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Speaker 9: telling them to They have agency too, So I do think,

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Speaker 9: and Ryan, I'm curious.

635
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Speaker 10: What you make of that.

636
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Speaker 9: That's where this is heading is a question of whether

637
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 9: the FBI just didn't want some type of link to

638
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 9: the pipe bomb placement, which has always been very weird.

639
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Speaker 9: They didn't want some some type of link to it

640
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Speaker 9: to come out into the public view.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they're gonna have to explain why it

642
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 8: took this long to make an arrest if they weren't

643
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Speaker 8: really relying on any new information and they were just

644
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 8: you know, that it was out there for them. I

645
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Speaker 8: think also the Blaze looks like they're gonna cook over this.

646
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Speaker 8: You know that that story that they did. Immediately when

647
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 8: you read it reeked of defamation.

648
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Speaker 5: You're like, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

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Speaker 8: You're like, you know, the defenses against defamation are you know, one,

650
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Speaker 8: if they're a public figure, then there's a much higher

651
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Speaker 8: bar for that public figure to be able to come

652
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Speaker 8: after you for saying something false about them. This woman

653
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Speaker 8: that they singled out was not remotely public figure and

654
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Speaker 8: seem to have a decent alibi. So like, if you're

655
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Speaker 8: if you in their retraction, you know, they it's clear

656
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Speaker 8: the retraction was written by a lawyer, and they're saying, like,

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Speaker 8: you know, we we published this information in you know,

658
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Speaker 8: good good faith with the with our belief that it

659
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Speaker 8: was accurate but we're now retracting it because it looks

660
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Speaker 8: like it isn't. But in order to get out of defamation,

661
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 8: you have to show that you you know that that

662
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 8: you you know. If they can show that you knew

663
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Speaker 8: or should have known that what you were writing was false,

664
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Speaker 8: then you're in trouble. And they kind of should have

665
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 8: known because you know, she had a real alibi. They

666
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 8: didn't really have enough evidence to stack. On the other

667
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 8: side of that, this like weird, like they compared her

668
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 8: gait in like like they did some Gate analysis. It's like, whoa, guys,

669
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Speaker 8: you can't accuse somebody of being a pipe bomber. And

670
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Speaker 8: the other thing you need for defamation is to prove

671
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Speaker 8: like actual damages. And I can imagine that this woman

672
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Speaker 8: suffered like legitimate, serious, genuine damages from millions of people

673
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Speaker 8: thinking that she's a pipe bomber. So I think, you know,

674
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Speaker 8: Blaize Blaze Blaze's defamation insurance is going to get a workout,

675
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Speaker 8: I would suspect from this.

676
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Speaker 3: So, Ryan, what do you make of the evidence on

677
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Speaker 3: Brian Cole? Now there's this They say that they pinged

678
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Speaker 3: or his cell phone, pinged cell towers that were in

679
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Speaker 3: the area.

680
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Speaker 4: We have this like these photos, this video footage.

681
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Speaker 3: And you know they say that he bought parts that

682
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Speaker 3: could create a bomb, but those parts are bought over

683
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Speaker 3: the course of months, if not years, if I'm mistaken.

684
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Speaker 5: So and he went to several different years, and he

685
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Speaker 5: also went to multiple different locations.

686
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Speaker 4: It looks like now I believe everything.

687
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: Cash Mattel says, that's my that's my particular hill that

688
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 3: I die on this show. But Ryan, what's your what's

689
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: your believe meter at right now?

690
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 9: Yeah?

691
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Speaker 10: Ran, are you are yous massy on this? Let's see

692
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Speaker 10: what they've got. I'm not buying it.

693
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Speaker 9: Thomas Massey posted at nine am yesterday after the arrest

694
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Speaker 9: was announced.

695
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Speaker 5: I think it is.

696
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Speaker 8: I think it's good practice to always be skeptical of

697
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 8: all federal indictments like that, just as citizens, we should

698
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 8: be demanding extraordinary evidence when when claims are made so

699
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 8: that like you can't you can't believe what's in an

700
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Speaker 8: indictment just because the Feds put it.

701
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Speaker 5: In an indictment.

702
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Speaker 8: You know, we'll see, you know, I'm not I'm certainly

703
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 8: saying I'm not on I'm not saying he's didn't do

704
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 8: it either, Like I don't know that for for certain either, I.

705
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Speaker 6: Mean, who knows if this is all that they have,

706
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Speaker 6: But it does seem like a lot of the stuff

707
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Speaker 6: that's that you're putting up here, Emily is just like

708
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 6: circumstantial stuff, Like you would need more than this to

709
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Speaker 6: actually convict him. Right to say I bought some component

710
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 6: parts in his phone was generally in the area, but

711
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 6: like that wouldn't be enough for a conviction, right.

712
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Speaker 10: I guess will depend on the jury.

713
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Speaker 9: I mean, if you're you're pinging it, if your cell

714
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 9: phone you live in Woodbridge and your cell phone is

715
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Speaker 9: pinging in the area of the r n C and

716
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Speaker 9: d n C the night of January fifth when they

717
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Speaker 9: say the well, they have video of the bombs being

718
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 9: placed if you roughly resemble the person on the video,

719
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Speaker 9: and then they have this these credit card records here.

720
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Speaker 7: Well.

721
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Speaker 9: Also the other thing that we're missing is his car

722
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 9: was a half a mile from the bombs where the bombs.

723
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Speaker 10: Were on January fifth, It was parked on Capitol Hill.

724
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Speaker 9: And then they have all of these credit card records

725
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Speaker 9: that see him allegedly buying the black end caps for

726
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Speaker 9: those pipes. And if people don't remember what the pipe

727
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 9: bombs looked like it is always worth revisiting there, so hilarious.

728
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Speaker 10: I'm sorry, but like they look cartoonish.

729
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 9: They have literal like oven timers, TVC. It's completely insane.

730
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I would Ryan.

731
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Speaker 9: Like always be completely skeptical of all this stuff.

732
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Speaker 6: He can't, he can't be a real Antifa member. He's

733
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Speaker 6: not a real Antifa super soldier, because they would have

734
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Speaker 6: they would have had spotless, they would would use they

735
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Speaker 6: would use cat shit the home depot, right right, Well,

736
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Speaker 6: I think they said in the indictment that he did

737
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Speaker 6: use cash. Of all places, yeah, oh, at other places

738
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Speaker 6: he use cash. Yeah, some pla have video of him

739
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Speaker 6: going and buying it, I guess, yeah, or maybe a

740
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Speaker 6: cell phone pinging or something like that.

741
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Speaker 5: Here.

742
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Speaker 6: I got a picture here of what one of these

743
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Speaker 6: pipe bombs supposedly here, So I guess that's what that's

744
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Speaker 6: what it looks like according to I mean, yeah, he's

745
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Speaker 6: got the it's a kitchen timer. It's like a literal

746
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Speaker 6: kitchen timer that you would have, and then it's you know,

747
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Speaker 6: wiring into the pipe.

748
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Speaker 5: But yeah, and you don't know.

749
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Speaker 8: I imagine the detectives were like, okay, there's only a

750
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Speaker 8: few home depots you know within ten miles of here, But.

751
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Speaker 6: Who amongst us hasn't purchased twelve black end caps and

752
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 6: two galvanized end caps from four different home depots in

753
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Speaker 6: northern Virginia. Yeah we've all been there, bro.

754
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you gotta get your gotta go to Ohio or

755
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 8: whatever to get your And like it does show like

756
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 8: this is not the nineteen seventies, Like they can they're

757
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 8: going to catch you doing this stuff.

758
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 5: Like you can take you can pay in cash, you

759
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 5: can take.

760
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Speaker 8: Cautions, but you know that the surveillance state is impressive.

761
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So, Emily, just like, hey, home depot, like who

762
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 5: bought twelve caps and a kitchen?

763
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Speaker 4: The narks their narks as we know, home.

764
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Speaker 8: People is going to nark you out like home deep

765
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Speaker 8: like if you were you were times yes, if you

766
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 8: thought home Depot was right?

767
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Speaker 5: Or die for you? No not having?

768
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Speaker 4: Uh?

769
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Speaker 3: So, Emily, like, what is this larger significance of this

770
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Speaker 3: January sixth pipe bomb around the event of January six

771
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Speaker 3: and like what is the Trump administration or DJ trying

772
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Speaker 3: to do with this to kind of like maybe reframe

773
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Speaker 3: or recontextualize the events, because what I know from the

774
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Speaker 3: pipe bombs is that a lot of the authorities said

775
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Speaker 3: that those pipe bomb threats diverted resources during really crucial

776
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Speaker 3: hours that could have allowed them to contain more of

777
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Speaker 3: the January sixth event. And also this sense that well,

778
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: if the bombs replaced that some of this was premeditated, right,

779
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: that this wasn't just an in the moment fervor, but

780
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Speaker 3: if someone planted these bombs, that there was a larger

781
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Speaker 3: plan before the Trump rally, and YadA, YadA.

782
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Speaker 4: What do you make of all that?

783
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I'll read a post here from Julie Kelly,

784
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 9: who's one of the kind of people on the right

785
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 9: who's followed this really closely.

786
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Speaker 10: She said, this is where she's going with it.

787
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Speaker 9: She says, washing posts also reporting Cole's quote unquote extremist

788
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 9: political views. As I've already said on an interview this morning,

789
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Speaker 9: it appears the Ray FBI buried the pipe bomb investigation

790
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 9: in early twenty twenty one after discovering the hoodie individual

791
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Speaker 9: seen on January five was not MAGA but was Antifa.

792
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Speaker 9: That would have not only decimated the developing January sixth

793
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Speaker 9: insurrection narrative at the time, but completely contradicted Ray's early

794
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 9: insistence that Antifa played no role in January six, huge

795
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Speaker 9: scandal if true. I'm saying that just to give a

796
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 9: sort of flavor of where everyone's going with us, But

797
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 9: I think it does test a couple of narratives that

798
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Speaker 9: people on the right have had going into this, which

799
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 9: is one of them was was that you know, there

800
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Speaker 9: were in the circles and people in the right who

801
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 9: followed the story closely, they would point out, rightfully point

802
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 9: out that first of all, there are bomb sniffing dogs

803
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 9: around the DNC at the time that the alleged pipe

804
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 9: bomb was there, Nobody caught it. Kamala Harris was being

805
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 9: moved around through that area. There was no like intense

806
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 9: panic about the fact like that it's that stuff was

807
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 9: genuinely a bit strange. The man who was one of

808
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 9: the FBI officials overseeing the Gretchen Whitmer fed kidnapping plot,

809
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 9: as Nick Turse and others and Terse is still at

810
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 9: the intercept, right Ryan, that was and I think you

811
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 9: probably were still there when that reporting was happening, probably

812
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 9: edited some of that, Yes, excellent reporting, And that guy

813
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 9: had been reassigned to d C and all of a

814
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 9: sudden j six pipe bomb, all of that stuff happens,

815
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Speaker 9: and so the suggestion by people who bring that up

816
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 9: is whether any of this was organic. So what that

817
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 9: tests is this idea that it's Antifa unless Antifa is

818
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 9: like working hand in glove.

819
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Speaker 10: With the Feds.

820
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Speaker 9: And so I don't think anybody has a clear victory,

821
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Speaker 9: like a very clear narrative victory going forward. There's just

822
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Speaker 9: so much The pipe bom story is just it's very

823
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 9: hard to believe that some random lib did all of this,

824
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 9: and all of the strange stuff that happened afterwards was

825
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Speaker 9: just because Chris Ray was trying to bury an Antifa plot.

826
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Speaker 9: I don't know, honestly, I think there's some more weirdness happening.

827
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Speaker 9: It just it seems too strange that these things were

828
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 9: there and nobody saw them for fifteen hours, nobody caught

829
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Speaker 9: them for fifteen hours.

830
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Speaker 10: But yeah, to a.

831
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Speaker 9: Grifferen's point, that is the implication is that in some

832
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Speaker 9: way the pipe bombs were used to divert resources from

833
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 9: the capital so that the capital would fall and then

834
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 9: you would have this like false flag thing to pin

835
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 9: on MAGA. So it gets really weedy and complicated with

836
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 9: pipe on theories. But if the if what the MAGA

837
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 9: FBI is saying is that it was just an ANTIFA

838
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 9: guy and there was no FBI involvement then other than

839
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Speaker 9: bearing the story.

840
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 10: Then some of those are.

841
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Speaker 6: Their logic though, Like what would be the narrative then

842
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 6: that they're trying to sell if it was an ANTIFA guy,

843
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 6: that he just happened to do this the day before,

844
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 6: to try to pin it on MAGA or something, or

845
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 6: what's the logic behind.

846
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Speaker 9: That, Yeah, to create Yeah, that's that's why I think

847
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 9: it challenges some of those narratives because.

848
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Speaker 4: Or that the FBI put him up to it. Yeah,

849
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Speaker 4: it could be that.

850
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the FED the FED line makes a lot more

851
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Speaker 5: sense to me.

852
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 10: I agree, But.

853
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Speaker 4: It could be fed tifa could be a combination of both,

854
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 4: so possible.

855
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Speaker 5: Mac.

856
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Speaker 10: You've seen that, haven't you. You've seen fed tifa.

857
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Speaker 4: You've seen that.

858
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Speaker 5: We we've we've seen a couple of fed tifas out there.

859
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Speaker 3: Oh on your DC protest observes. You've seen the Atlanta

860
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Speaker 3: a few times.

861
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Speaker 5: Yeah, very interesting.

862
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, January sixth, the story that keeps on giving.

863
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: I wanted to move us over to Pallenteer and the

864
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Speaker 3: Deal Book summit. What a summit that happened all sorts

865
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Speaker 3: of characters that Andrew Ross Sorkin was speaking to, but

866
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Speaker 3: we wanted to focus on CEO Alex Karp of Pallenteer,

867
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Speaker 3: who who was getting really excited about his business. I

868
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Speaker 3: think that's the most I don't know to describe it, Griffin.

869
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Speaker 9: I love how you shepherd us through these the news

870
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 9: stories like it's American bandstand. Like that, let's move on

871
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 9: to Palenteer.

872
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to keep a brisk pace

873
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: because we have so many stories to get to Mac.

874
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: Why don't we play this first clip from CEO Alex Carp?

875
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Speaker 13: What is the biggest problem in this culture?

876
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: Tell you the biggest problem?

877
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 13: No one believes the institutions are credible and why don't

878
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Speaker 13: they believe?

879
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 14: There?

880
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 13: And I struggled to believe they're credible too, because these

881
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 13: business leaders make completely stupid decisions and they get bailed

882
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 13: out a year later they're getting huge bonuses. What do

883
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 13: the American people get nothing? That's a huge problem. Like

884
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 13: if you make I think the real version is like

885
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 13: I made a lot of decisions when we began talking

886
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 13: annoying each other ten years ago. Hopefully I'm annoying you

887
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 13: as much as ten years ago or more, when when

888
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 13: I made you know this, every decision palet your made,

889
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 13: FDS going public, building products, no one enterprise, large data

890
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 13: sets going to government, acknowledging American superiority, being pro marcnocracy,

891
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 13: launching an AI platform, calling into question that AI models

892
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 13: would actually be able to perform with our orchestration. Every

893
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 13: single one, every single are intology, every single one of

894
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 13: those was viewed as stupid. You know what, I actually

895
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 13: have grown to appreciate about capitalism. All the people who

896
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 13: made the right decisions went broke, are going out of business,

897
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 13: or are now have to copyist Microsoft lnsontology. Everyone wants

898
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 13: to do FDAs. Everyone basically copies me and palent.

899
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Speaker 5: Here is this.

900
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Speaker 6: This is the stable leadership that I want in charge

901
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 6: of my mass surveillance death company.

902
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Speaker 3: Everyone that is like yeah, I mean, is everyone that

903
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: we watch now either drunk or geeked out?

904
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Speaker 4: I mean Ryan, Like, what do we make of this?

905
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 4: Like this Alex KRP guy.

906
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Speaker 8: I mean, he's the he's our philosopher king, right, you know,

907
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 8: he's he's the he. I guess he's the surveillance god

908
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 8: that we deserve. This is We're headed to a pretty

909
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 8: pretty dark place. And the people that we're empowering aren't

910
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 8: aren't obscuring from the public. You know who they are

911
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 8: and what they're about.

912
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Speaker 3: We also have another clip here Mac where he's you know,

913
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Speaker 3: slightly more substantive about the inner workings of the Palateer

914
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Speaker 3: business here and the end that he talked about eliminating

915
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: or not valuing the humanities uh Department of Palateer. Why

916
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: don't we take a listen to that.

917
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Speaker 14: But take the media out of it. There's a group

918
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 14: of thirteen more Palateer employees who at an open letter

919
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 14: to you and they stated, quote that Palenteer's leadership has

920
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Speaker 14: abandoned its founding ideals.

921
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Speaker 13: We have five thousand ex Palentarians and four thousand current Paleteerians.

922
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Speaker 13: And by the way, we encourage a culture of disagreement,

923
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 13: which you know exists. Anyone can come visit us. You'll

924
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 13: find half the people disagreeing with me, at least on

925
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Speaker 13: any issue. But I just want to say, we have

926
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Speaker 13: five thousand Expalenterians. You have thirteen, half of whom we're

927
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Speaker 13: like in the Humanities Department of palenter which is a

928
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Speaker 13: little bit like being in the printing best part of

929
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Speaker 13: New York Times a very important part, but no one's

930
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 13: really listening to your opinion, so it's like it's yeah,

931
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Speaker 13: you know, if you have an organization, I'll tell you what.

932
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Speaker 13: A lot of Paleterians, Palatineerers are mostly uncomfortable. Most Palateerers

933
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 13: are like you, okay, I don't know who you are

934
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Speaker 13: best year an objective journalists, but they broadly are okay

935
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Speaker 13: with They like working with you in Ukraine. By the way,

936
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Speaker 13: could Europeans finally stick up for us since we're basically

937
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Speaker 13: between US and Russia? But they they're very proud of

938
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Speaker 13: that in general, although that's also very controversial and non

939
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Speaker 13: elite circles. That's important to remember. They're pretty okay with

940
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Speaker 13: Israel stuff, especially since a lot of the BS written

941
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Speaker 13: about us on the right primarily not primarily on the left.

942
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Speaker 13: And somehow we're doing facial recognition stuff and we're building

943
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Speaker 13: a database. Any technical person knows that's BS. By the way,

944
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Speaker 13: if you've heard that and you believe that, listen to

945
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Speaker 13: the person who told you that. Do ten minutes of

946
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Speaker 13: research and you'll see who has credibility for you.

947
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Speaker 5: So is he is he denying there at the end

948
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Speaker 5: that he's working with the Israelis on targeting and god,

949
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Speaker 5: so is that what he was doing at the end there.

950
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Speaker 9: I think what he's doing is denying And it is

951
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 9: a sort of cliche about Palenteer mistake that some people make,

952
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 9: which is that they are themselves doing the like CCTV

953
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 9: like pulling all of that data. Instead what they do,

954
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 9: as though this is much better, is helps the government

955
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 9: streamline and the analysis of these mountains and mountains of data. Technically,

956
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 9: that's I think the distinction that he's trying to make,

957
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 9: and obviously it is a real distinction, but it's still

958
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 9: they're still obviously massively bolstering the surveillance state. Polunteer was

959
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 9: started with with money from the CIA's venture capital firm,

960
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 9: which is a thing that exists, and one of the

961
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 9: reasons is that Teel had this idea to outsource surveillance

962
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 9: analysis in a way that was like civil libertarianism, and

963
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 9: the CIA obviously sees that and is like, great, you

964
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 9: have the veneer of civil libertarianism for this massive surveillance

965
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Speaker 9: analysis technology.

966
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Speaker 10: And Teil claims that it's better.

967
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 9: In Carbal claim that it's better that Palenteer does it

968
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Speaker 9: than the government itself or someone else because Palenteer has

969
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 9: all of these guardrails and civil liberties and that sort

970
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 9: of thing.

971
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Speaker 10: So that's I mean, that's where they go with this.

972
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Speaker 9: But you know, I don't think anyone's happy to say, like, oh,

973
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 9: or anyone's like super supportive of the idea that people

974
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Speaker 9: are making massive profits off of streamlining the analysis of

975
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Speaker 9: mass surveillance.

976
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: And Ryan, what do you think about the checks and

977
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 3: balances within the Palaeer If he's not really listening to

978
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 3: anyone in the humanities department?

979
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 8: Do they have a humanities department? I don't even understand

980
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 8: what that means. I was just searching now. Maybe maybe

981
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 8: he's referring colloquially to some other department that they do have.

982
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 8: What would a humanities department do at Palentteer? But sure,

983
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 8: I don't know. Maybe there's some a you know, room

984
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 8: for disagreement in there. But you know, carp seems like

985
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 8: a guy that doesn't lack for confidence and that you know,

986
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 8: he's gonna, you know, he's gonna make a decision, he's

987
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 8: going to execute it, and I think he'd be he'd

988
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 8: be proud of that. His point is fair that like,

989
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 8: all right, you got nine thousand current and former employees.

990
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 8: You're gonna be able to find some that are that

991
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 8: are critical of it. Uh, the entire you know, whether

992
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 8: or not you know people inside Paler are critical of it.

993
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 8: I think like basically the entire world is like, I

994
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 8: wish this wasn't happening. I wish this company was not

995
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 8: doing the things that this company's doing, but they're still

996
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 8: doing it so and.

997
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 6: I think there is something to be said about like this,

998
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 6: this bizarre era of the billionaire celebrity, the CEO celebrity,

999
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 6: with how comfortable all of these people who are doing,

1000
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 6: i think objectively evil things around the world, doing public

1001
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 6: appearances like this, publicly defending themselves, trying to be celebrities

1002
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 6: to hype up, you know, their stocks.

1003
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 5: And things like that.

1004
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 6: I think there's something deeply dark about that in my view,

1005
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 6: because I feel like a long time ago in this country,

1006
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 6: we used to have billionaires sort of just mind their

1007
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 6: own business and just sort of fade into the background,

1008
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 6: and now it's like every single one of them has

1009
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 6: to be out in the public eye. They have to

1010
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 6: be celebrated, they have to be praised, they have to

1011
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 6: you know, be viewed as some sort of like gods,

1012
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 6: and I think there's something extremely dystopian about that.

1013
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 9: The other thing worth mentioning is that karp Is has

1014
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 9: been for a long time like a Democratic donor who

1015
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 9: backed Kamala Harris in twenty twenty four, which is just hilarious,

1016
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 9: and on so many different levels. He was against Donald Trump.

1017
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 9: He said he was voting against Donald Trump. And then

1018
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 9: Pallenteer has just been showered with contracts and the Trump

1019
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 9: era from Republicans, one big beautiful bill and such.

1020
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 10: So it's all they're They're winning no matter what at

1021
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 10: the end of the day.

1022
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: And you know, so he was, he was a K Hiver.

1023
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 10: He was in the hive.

1024
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 6: Wow, he he was doing mass surveillance on the Bernie Broos.

1025
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 5: Maybe he made the K Hive.

1026
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but yeah, to Max's point, there is this

1027
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: sort of like unimpeachableness about all these guys going out there.

1028
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: I mean, we had the call she CEO, who looks

1029
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: like a SoundCloud rapper saying that we're going to financialize

1030
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 3: like every aspect of your life. We've got Peter Tiel

1031
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: being like, I am not the Antichrist, wink wink wink,

1032
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it seems like there are these terrible, terrible

1033
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 3: public advocates for their businesses that could only make you

1034
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: concerned or worried about the future, which is the exact

1035
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 3: opposite of what a spokesman should be for a company,

1036
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 3: which to me only kind of like exudes the fact

1037
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: that how unimpeachable, how kind of they have their whole

1038
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 3: keys to the kingdom here and they can say whatever

1039
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 3: the hell they want.

1040
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, the Palenteer is not going anywhere. And

1041
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 9: the reason I mentioned that is to say it's not

1042
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 9: going anywhere in a dem administration either, like it's Palneers

1043
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 9: is here to say, the government is addicted to palunteers

1044
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 9: analysis software.

1045
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 10: So that's that's our future.

1046
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 6: Should we listen to this, this last clip that we

1047
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 6: have of him, I guess trying to portray Palanteer as

1048
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 6: being a champion of the working class somehow.

1049
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 5: Let's let's go ahead and watch this.

1050
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: This last Maybe maybe he watches War Room with Steve Bannon.

1051
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 13: In this country, you have one percent of the country

1052
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 13: in prison, one percent who were in prison and therefore

1053
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 13: have no rights. Do you know what happens to you

1054
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 13: when you go to prison. They take you away from

1055
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 13: your kids. You know who that happens to disunfortunately working class,

1056
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 13: disproportionately black and Hispanic men and white men in the

1057
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 13: under class. Where are the thousands of articles about them.

1058
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 13: Nobody cares, And they don't care because it does not

1059
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 13: either serve the ability the desire to force me to

1060
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 13: vote for one party, which basically takes away all my power.

1061
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 13: That's effectually what it does. If I agree to say

1062
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 13: this is the worst thing in the world, I essentially

1063
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 13: have given up my vote. My vote is not for you,

1064
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 13: My vote is for these two issues. The second reason

1065
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 13: they don't care is because somehow no one has empathy

1066
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 13: with any of those people, because none of us really

1067
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 13: deal with those people. At Palenteer, we are on the

1068
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 13: side of working class Americans. We support people who go

1069
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 13: to the military, We save their lives, we bring them

1070
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 13: home safer. Our AI actually makes workers more wealthy, more valuable.

1071
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 13: And ten to fifteen million people that love me despite

1072
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,959
Speaker 13: what's written, half of them made a lot of money

1073
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 13: on us.

1074
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 11: And you know what they're like.

1075
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 13: They're like people like me who think, you know what,

1076
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 13: we have to do better.

1077
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 5: Of course we have to do better, all right.

1078
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 6: I'm deeply confused about the transition that he just did

1079
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 6: there from like talking about you know, the mass and

1080
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 6: of Americans to pallanteers on the side of the working class.

1081
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 6: We're making American workers wealthy because we are enriching the

1082
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 6: American military's capabilities to do warfare overseas. I'm not really

1083
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 6: tracking the through.

1084
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Speaker 10: Line there, Ryan, do you have any idea, I mean.

1085
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 4: Ry deep meditation on it. I think we broke Ryan.

1086
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he's yes, he's making people safer on

1087
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 8: the battlefield. Is his claims that's one claim AI is

1088
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 8: going to make workers more productive and therefore richer. I

1089
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 8: don't know how he all productivity gains have flowed to

1090
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 8: the top two people like Alex Karp.

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Speaker 5: Over the last forty to fifty years.

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Speaker 8: So I don't know what policy he's pitching that is

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Speaker 8: going to actually break that. So I don't see how

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Speaker 8: he can make that claim with a straight face.

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Speaker 9: And is he's saying they help put the right people

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Speaker 9: in prison as opposed.

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Speaker 8: To That's the part the part where like with Mac,

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Speaker 8: I'm like, I don't know what he's saying. I mean,

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Speaker 8: maybe it's like you know, Larry Ellison has said, like

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Speaker 8: when you know absolute master veils is everywhere. Then people

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Speaker 8: will behave better and maybe it's good that people behave

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Speaker 8: I don't like that.

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Speaker 6: I'm well, he's it almost seemed like he was getting

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Speaker 6: to like a there's a structural like racism problem with

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Speaker 6: the prison industrial complex or with policing. But then it's

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Speaker 6: like Palenteer is working with ice, Palenteer is working with

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Speaker 6: local police outfits, So like, are aren't you kind of

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Speaker 6: reinforcing whatever structural issues that you see with that system?

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Speaker 5: Like I'm I don't know.

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Speaker 9: They still see themselves as people who are disrupting those

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Speaker 9: systems and making them better. They've been doing that for

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Speaker 9: a long time now, so I don't know, like.

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Speaker 10: That's what they've been doing. What they've been doing for

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Speaker 10: a long time.

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Speaker 9: So if they were making the system better, they would,

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Speaker 9: you know, have to show significant structural evidence of improvement.

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Speaker 9: I would say, I think it's pretty clear that what

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Speaker 9: their technology does is make mass surveillance a lot easier.

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Speaker 9: They will say it makes it a lot more in

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Speaker 9: line or a lot more aligned with like your constitutional

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Speaker 9: rights and a lot more efficacious in ways that you know,

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Speaker 9: if it's if it's more effective and it's more aligned

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Speaker 9: with their constitutional rights, then how could you possibly be

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Speaker 9: against what Palenteer is doing. If it's not Palenter, it's

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Speaker 9: going to be some worst type of actor, which I

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Speaker 9: don't think is a great argument for Palenteer to be

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Speaker 9: perfectly honest.

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Speaker 3: There's also there he calls them Palaeerians. There is this

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Speaker 3: sort of almost like this like cult like movement that

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Speaker 3: he's trying to establish. Right, if you're on our side,

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Speaker 3: you're a Paleteerian.

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Speaker 9: I think that's very Silicon Valley post. Like Silicon Valley

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Speaker 9: around like two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 9: they were like Googlers and they were all doing that.

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Speaker 6: Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah, well, no, he does have some

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Speaker 6: some coalition of like cultists that that support him and

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Speaker 6: hype him up. So I think he is trying to

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Speaker 6: directly feed into that and do sort of a performance

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Speaker 6: for like a select group of the population that that

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Speaker 6: enjoys hearing him cracked out in interviews like that. That's

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Speaker 6: probably true, I think, And I think there's some element

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Speaker 6: to the idea that like, if your entire life is

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Speaker 6: helping to facilitate, you know, blowing up Palestinian children and

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Speaker 6: having you know, helping ice to to ship families to

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Speaker 6: overseas concentration camps. Then like maybe you do need to

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Speaker 6: take the edge off every once in a while, yep.

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Speaker 3: Or maybe they're helping, like weigh the ice employees because

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Speaker 3: there was that guy that got kicked out for being

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Speaker 3: like four and sixty pounds.

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Speaker 6: We need an ice and ice weight database and ice

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Speaker 6: obesity data base.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm sure they have that. I'm sure they have that.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm feeling as a member of the working class,

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling good, and I think that will leave us

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Speaker 3: here for the free half of the show. We got

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Speaker 3: big stories that we're saving for the second half of

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Speaker 3: premium users. We're getting into the battle between TPUSA and

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Speaker 3: one singular Candice Owens. We're also maybe gonna be Ryan

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Speaker 3: told me he's been doing a lot more research into

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Speaker 3: the Olivia Nuzzy story, and we have an incredible Olivia

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Speaker 3: Nuzzy impersonation from Emily always ready on deck.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 4: So get the sunglasses ready.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And we've got a few other stories. Maybe we'll get

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Speaker 3: into a little bit more of the call sheet betting,

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Speaker 3: superfunding of politics, and let's get here.

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Speaker 10: Let's get your reaction to Netflix Warner Bros.

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Speaker 3: To the in the same Oh yeah, and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: about Netflix, folks, if you like going to the movies

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Speaker 3: you know and savor it while it lasts, because it

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Speaker 3: is doomed at this point. We'll get into all that

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