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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a twenty three year old

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Speaker 1: Florida woman poses as a school girl why to molest

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Speaker 2: And this is the woman.

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Speaker 1: Who pretends to be a homeschooled fourteen year old girl

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Speaker 1: in order to pray on middle schoolers engaging in sex

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Speaker 1: acts with little boys, even sending explicit videos. Alissa Zinger

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Speaker 1: Shackleton Court now hit with new charges after four more

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Speaker 1: boy victims as young as twelve years old come forward.

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Speaker 1: Good evening, I mean, see Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: You don't see an understand.

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Speaker 2: The problem is not who we're record of the video.

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Speaker 1: Problem is you.

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Speaker 4: Are in multiple videos with young boys thirteen and fourteen

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Speaker 4: years old.

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Speaker 2: You are an as old.

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Speaker 1: You are.

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Speaker 2: Manipulating, taking advantage of these young boys. Did you hear

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Speaker 2: Judge Laurel Ward.

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Speaker 1: She actually has to tell Alyssa and Zinger you're the adult,

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Speaker 1: they're little boys.

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Speaker 2: This is wrong. What she didn't know that? You know what?

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Speaker 2: I think she knows a lot more than she's letting on.

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Speaker 2: This woman reportedly allegedly.

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Speaker 1: Posed as a fourteen year old home schooled girl. I

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Speaker 1: guess to explain away the fact that she wasn't registered

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Speaker 1: anywhere at any elementary, middle or high school. Now, another

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Speaker 2: What the judge said.

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Speaker 1: Judge Laura Ward there in Flora says, apparently the finance

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Speaker 1: lawyer had said, we don't have any proof of who

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Speaker 1: took the explicit sex videos that were sent to the

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Speaker 1: little boys. And the judge is like, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: who recorded the video because you're starring in it with me.

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Speaker 1: It all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now, But first of all, where did this

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Speaker 1: go down?

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 5: South Tampa's Hyde Park neighborhood is ranked by Niche in

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Speaker 5: the top ten places to live in the US. It

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Speaker 5: boasts great restaurants and schools, with many young professionals making

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Speaker 5: up its population of just over two thousand. Wilson Middle School,

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Speaker 5: home of the Bulldogs, is nestled in the heart of

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Speaker 5: Hyde Park, serving about six hundred students in grade six

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Speaker 5: through eight. It has earned national recognition as a Blue

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Speaker 5: Ribbon of Excellent School.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the background like that, I guarantee you that families

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Speaker 1: are flocking to the area, to my homes and condos

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Speaker 1: just to get to that school. Little do they know

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Speaker 1: a predator is lurking and not the typical predator we

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Speaker 1: all imagine. This is a twenty three year old Florida

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Speaker 1: woman there she is praying a little boys, quote dating them,

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Speaker 1: even sending explicit sex videos with me an all star

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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we're learning at this hour,

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Speaker 1: but first to investigate. A reporter from WFLA and Tampa

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Speaker 1: Annie Matt, Annie, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Annie, what's happening? Who is this woman?

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Speaker 6: Nancy? I mean, shocking is the word here for everyone

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Speaker 6: who saw this story here in Tampa, Florida. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you see Alyssa, she's a real pretty girl. You know,

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Speaker 6: why does she have the need to do this to

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Speaker 6: talk to these twelve, thirteen, fourteen year old boys who

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Speaker 6: she had five victims, and we know we recently found

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Speaker 6: out she had been doing this for several months, dating

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Speaker 6: back to January of last year up until she got

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Speaker 1: Annie, did you say she's a real pretty girl? You

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Speaker 1: mean like deb La Fae and Mary Kate Laturno, they

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Speaker 1: were real pretty too.

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Speaker 2: But they're sex molesters.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you look at some grungy old dude,

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Speaker 1: all grizzled and gross, and you go, yeah, he's a

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Speaker 2: In my mind, she looks just like him.

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Speaker 1: Because I've got two children, Annie, and it will be

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Speaker 1: freeze over before I let somebody like her near either

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Speaker 1: one of my children. I don't care what she looks like,

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Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, she is a predator. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course, I know, high profile lawyer Kelly Hyman joining

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Speaker 1: us out of the Florida jurisdiction is going to tell

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Speaker 2: Innocent until proven guilty. I know that it goes without saying.

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Speaker 1: And again, everybody on Twitter, you can quit telling me

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Speaker 1: that because I know everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 1: getting them, and animap. Isn't it true that four more

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Speaker 1: young victims as young as twelve years old have come forward.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the scales, here's her saying no, I

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Speaker 1: didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: And here's them, all of them giving the same story,

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Speaker 1: and they're separated in time and space.

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Speaker 6: Nancy. Once her photo was plastered, you know, by the

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Speaker 6: news by Tampa police, more people started saying, Hey, she

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Speaker 6: came to my house too. She told my parents she

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Speaker 6: was fourteen. She was adults that she was fourteen years

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Speaker 6: old and going to the homes of these young boys

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Speaker 6: in these families, you know, were tricked just as shrinked

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Speaker 6: as those miners were.

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Speaker 1: You know what I think I need right now? If

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Speaker 1: I were a drinker, I would want to drink. But

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Speaker 1: since I'm not, I need a shrink, A drink and

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Speaker 1: a shrink. There we go.

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Speaker 2: I think I've got a new title.

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark is joining me renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen

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Speaker 1: with a C in case you're looking at her. I'm

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Speaker 1: jovial because nobody is dead. But make no mistake about it,

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark. These boys, a lot of people think.

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Speaker 2: This is a boy's dream.

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Speaker 1: It's not because they will be forever affected by what

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Speaker 1: happened to them and the rest of their lives. Every

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Speaker 1: relationship they have with a woman or a girl, a

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Speaker 1: teen girl, a preteen girl, is going to be overshadowed

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Speaker 1: with this event in their life. They are no different

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Speaker 1: the little girls that are molested. But you heard any

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Speaker 1: map investigative reporter WFLA who's been on this case from

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Speaker 1: the very beginning, talking about the way this twenty three

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Speaker 1: year old, almost twenty four year old woman behaves. She

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Speaker 1: even faked out the parents.

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Speaker 7: And enjoyed every moment of manipulating them. Nancy, and she

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Speaker 7: is completely a sexual predator. But let's look at the culture.

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Speaker 7: It happens a lot that they wind up feeling. People

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Speaker 7: believe that, well, a little boy, he's getting initiated, how

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Speaker 7: wonderful an older woman is doing this, and it to

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Speaker 7: very first thing is going to make them not feel

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Speaker 7: good about themselves. Taken advantage of insecure, not good in relationships.

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Speaker 7: She is a narcissist and needed to feel like she

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Speaker 7: can control these kids, somebody her own age. That wouldn't

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Speaker 7: have worked for her because she was able to then

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Speaker 7: that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Now here's a kicker, and I want to hear what

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Speaker 1: Kelly Hyman has to say about this. Kelly Hyman is

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Speaker 1: high profile triald lawyer, TV legal analyst host on the

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Speaker 1: podcast Once Upon a Crime in Hollywood. Kelly Hymen, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us now. I'm sure since the

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Speaker 1: number of little boy victims as young as twelve years old,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just hold that thought for a moment.

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Speaker 2: Kelly.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have children or not, but

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Speaker 1: I remember when my twins now sixteen or twelve. There

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Speaker 1: is no way I wanted them to be initiated. As

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark just said, that's scary into a full on

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: How that's anybody's dream for a little boy. But that said,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure her lawyer, with the mounting number of little

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Speaker 8: Tampa Pede response to reports of shoplifting at Nordstrom department

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Speaker 8: store speaking with teen suspects who say they're dating Alyssa's.

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Speaker 8: Zinger tells cops her birthday is January fifteenth, two thousand

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Speaker 8: a twenty two year old Alissa Zinger born in two

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: I'm very confused right now because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this name is going to ring a bell to you,

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Speaker 1: but she's been called the glam yoga teacher Caitlin Armstrong.

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Speaker 1: When she was first brought in for questioning on the

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Speaker 1: murder of a world class twenty something year old dirt biker,

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Speaker 1: there was a discrepancy in her DOB for an outstanding

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Speaker 2: And they let her go. You think anything to do

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Speaker 1: anything wrong by And this is from a shotlifting scene

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Speaker 1: I mean, she can quickly come out with a believable

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Speaker 1: I think wiley is a better description, Kelly.

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Speaker 9: Well, her attorney's going to argue that basically that the

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Speaker 9: elements of the crime. But Nancy, as you pointed out,

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Speaker 9: it is a crime. This is a crime to have

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Speaker 9: sexual relationships with a minor. Now, her attorney might argue

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Speaker 9: that there was some kind of mental health issues potentially

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Speaker 6: Will be up to the jury of the.

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Speaker 9: And make a determination on that if that's the case

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Speaker 9: or not.

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Speaker 1: Guys, This all really comes to light at a shoplifting

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Speaker 1: incident at an upscale department store Nordstrom's.

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Speaker 4: After the shoplifting incident, Tampa Peedee comes through government school

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Speaker 4: and employment records to determine Elisa Zinger, fourteen and the

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Speaker 4: twenty two year old half sister with the same name

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Speaker 4: are the same person. A teen boy then reports he

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Speaker 4: has had a sexual relationship with Singer for over five months.

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Speaker 4: The victim says he met Singer on Snapchat, where she

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Speaker 4: introduced herself as a homeschooled fourteen year old. The boy

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Speaker 4: when he learned her true age too.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Law's joining us.

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Speaker 1: Former special agent with HOMELWN Security Investigations, Federal State Military Court,

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Speaker 1: certified expert to the Exploitation of children, and author A

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Speaker 1: Hunter of the Damned, A Walk through Hell.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Law, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Why is it that pretty women seemingly get off the

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Speaker 1: hook they're not taken into custody. I was just describing

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong, who was eventually convicted for the murder of

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Speaker 1: a beautiful young dirt bike racer world class. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Moe Wilson, she just w free dev La fab lenient treatment.

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Speaker 1: It happens over and over again. Do you see this woman?

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Speaker 1: She walked away from a shoplifting incident even though cops

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Speaker 2: Who has a half sister with the very same name.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that is the bit of a problem with the

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Speaker 10: half sister thing. But you know, you think about it,

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Speaker 10: you know she's you know, I worked I worked online

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Speaker 10: undercover for eleven years, and you have to know you

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Speaker 10: have to know your your persona, who you're going to be.

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Speaker 10: So I'm sure that she's worked out everything in advance.

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Speaker 10: What happens if I get caught? What am I going

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Speaker 10: to say? What am I going to say to the cops?

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Speaker 10: You know, make it believable, and if you sound if

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Speaker 10: you sound believable, somebody's gonna believe you. I mean, she's

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Speaker 10: she's she's an attractive young lady. You know, she doesn't

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Speaker 10: So cops are going to put you know, sadly, cops

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Speaker 10: you know, not being like, oh look she's homeless, and

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Speaker 10: you know her hair is a mess and stuff like this.

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Speaker 10: But you know, sadly, that's what happens.

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Speaker 11: He indicated that a sexually explicit video of himself and

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Speaker 2: Did he know who was doing it?

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Speaker 6: Yes? Who is that?

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Speaker 11: He identified the person as miss Alyssa Zinger.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you were hearing Detective Amanda Barnowski testifying, and she's

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Speaker 1: stating that one of the little boys was upset and embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: A sexually explicit video of himself and the fourteen year

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Speaker 1: the detective, Alissa Zinger was the one giving everyone transmitting

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Speaker 1: it circulating it. Now, why in the world would she

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Speaker 1: now I'm going to a special guest joining us, child

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Speaker 1: Anna Sonoda. Anna, thank you for being with us. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is your Super Bowl at a go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Nancy.

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Speaker 3: Let's begin by just covering the fact that these aren't relationships.

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Speaker 3: For anybody to suggest that these are relationships, that's completely incorrect.

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Speaker 3: First and foremost, this is a situation of online grooming.

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Speaker 3: Now many parents may not know, but when you look

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Speaker 3: at the social media rules, they encourage kids not to

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Speaker 3: join social media until they're thirteen. Why is that? That

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Speaker 3: is not about how safe social media is for kids.

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Speaker 3: That only refers to what's called KAPPA, which is the

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Speaker 3: Child's Online Privacy Protection Act, which means that online social

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Speaker 3: when they're on social media, and sixty percent of kids

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Speaker 3: age thirteen to seventeen are on Snapchat. So if I'm

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Speaker 3: a potential predator, Nancy, where am I going to go?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get on my smartphone and I'm going

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Speaker 1: Guys also know that. According to the victims, the twenty

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Speaker 1: in itself is a crime to send pornographic material, much

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Speaker 1: less to a child, but over the internet waves to

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Speaker 1: any map investigative reporter WFLA. Let's just take it from

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Speaker 1: the beginning with the accusations.

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Speaker 2: What do we know? How did it all start?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it actually started in January of last year

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Speaker 6: then that relationship moved over to snatchat and she met

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Speaker 1: Wait, let's don't put perfume on the pig sex What

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Speaker 1: did you call it?

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Speaker 2: Sex conact?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's rape. Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: And if it's a child, it's statutory rape because even

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Speaker 1: They are protected under the law. Nor can they consent

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Speaker 1: if that's a they say yes, I'd love to do

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because they don't have the mental wherewithal

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you say this starts in January, just pick

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Speaker 6: This starts in January with the first victim. Then we

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Speaker 2: Did he know who was doing it?

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Speaker 6: Yes? Who was that?

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Speaker 11: He identified the person as Missilissa's inger straight out to

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Speaker 1: This explicit video is not of the Florida Glamazon, the

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Speaker 1: So that means to me straight back out to Kelly

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Speaker 1: Hymen joining us high profile lawyer in this jurisdiction of Florida. Kelly,

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Speaker 1: that means there's another victim, and I don't think that

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Speaker 2: That's another victim.

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Speaker 1: What do you think this little girl feels like everybody

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that needs to be another charge, Kelly.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 9: It appears that this is an ongoing investigation, Nancy, and

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Speaker 2: But this is a horrible story.

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Speaker 9: Here's a potentially young girl in middle school and those

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Speaker 2: But then having the fact of having dealing with this.

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Speaker 9: And potentially people seeing the video through your school and

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Speaker 2: Karen. Just recently, Karen, at the Twins High School.

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Speaker 1: Nobody really knows what's set it off, and he committed

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Speaker 7: In addition, Nancy, think about it. Children really believe in

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Speaker 7: here is this horrible child molester Wright who was initiating

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Speaker 1: And this was ongoing. It wasn't a couple of times

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Speaker 2: And she told him she.

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Speaker 7: learn more about her and here she is, I think

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Speaker 7: she's twenty three now. Her parents were also protecting her.

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Speaker 7: They were actually switching phones making sure that with the police.

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Speaker 7: They were in trouble with the police, so she's been

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Speaker 7: shielded while she's been able to do all of this.

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to point that out.

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Speaker 1: You know, another issue which I was saying, is a

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Speaker 1: real mind bender. So the little twelve year old breaks

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Speaker 1: up with her, how does it feel to be an

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Speaker 1: adult woman and that you're sleeping with a little boy,

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Speaker 1: and the little twelve year old breaks up with you.

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Speaker 1: So angry about this, she disseminates personal videos the little.

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Speaker 2: Boy has on his phone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Anna Sinoda, child Sexy Bey's grooming expert, author

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Speaker 1: of Dut dut Groom, helped me out.

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Speaker 3: Nancy, we have so many, so much ground to cover.

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Speaker 3: Let's begin by something I like to call the seesaw principle.

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Speaker 3: So for your listening audience to remember, predators are going

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Speaker 3: to do one of two things. They're either going to

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Speaker 3: elevate the victim to be a peer. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about things like a work problems, relationship problems, financial

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Speaker 3: issues with a child, or we're going to relate to

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Speaker 3: a child on a child's level. Clearly, in this case,

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Speaker 3: this female predator chose to relate to kids on kids levels.

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Speaker 2: Nancy.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you when you made your

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Speaker 3: last TikTok video, but most adults are not trying to

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Speaker 3: connect with kids by making snapchat reels or TikTok reels.

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Speaker 3: So the thing we need to remember is predators may

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Speaker 3: be everywhere, but they are not everyone, and their behavior

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Speaker 3: stands out, especially when we know what to look for.

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Speaker 5: Alyssa Zinger is charged with two counts of lud and

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Speaker 5: lascivious battery and five counts of lud and lascivious molestation.

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Speaker 5: She posts bond on all seven charges and moves in

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Speaker 5: with her parents as the case proceeds. Soon after, four

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Speaker 5: more victims under the age of fifteen come forward, claiming

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Speaker 5: Zinger send them videos of other miners engaged in sexual intercourse.

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Speaker 5: One victim says Zinger spoke about having sex with other deans.

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Speaker 5: Zinger is arrested for a second time and charged with

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Speaker 5: two additional counts each of lud and lacivious battery and molestation,

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Speaker 5: two counts of child pornography and cyber sexual harassment. Zinger

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Speaker 5: is denied bond and access to electronics behind bars.

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Speaker 1: But it's my understanding to Annie Matt w Fla in Tampa,

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Speaker 1: is she out on bond now?

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Speaker 6: She's not out on bond. She was out on bond

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Speaker 6: last year when this was all first discovered. But when

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Speaker 6: Mortons came forward and she got arrested again. She was

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Speaker 6: denied bond and a pre trial attention hearing, and we'll

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Speaker 6: have to stay in jail until forth.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Annie Matt joining us A

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Speaker 2: reporter w FLA in Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Annie Karen Stark is correct that now Zinger's parents are

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Speaker 1: under suspicion of aiding and a betting or at least

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Speaker 1: trying to get rid of evidence explain.

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Speaker 6: So much information came out during the pre trial detention

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Speaker 6: hearing last month on doubt that when police went to

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Speaker 6: the Zinger home where she had been living with her parents,

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Speaker 6: they tried to retrieve her phone, and her dad actually

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Speaker 6: allegedly gave police her mom's old phone, so they take

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Speaker 6: the phone. Then they find out out so they go

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Speaker 6: back and ask, hey, where is her real phone, And

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Speaker 6: at that point she says that she's lost it. So

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Speaker 6: that was one reason, you know. Judge Laura Ward said

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Speaker 6: she didn't trust letting Alyssa out on bond and being

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Speaker 6: under control of her parents. Also, prosecutors said that there

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Speaker 6: is evidence that will come up during the trial that

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Speaker 6: her parents were actually texting with the parents of one

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Speaker 6: of the victims when they were arrested, well not arrested,

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Speaker 6: detained for that Nordstimb situation. So I think a lot

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Speaker 6: more will come out on, you know, what her parents

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Speaker 6: did and if they knew that this was going on.

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Speaker 1: So the parents are not charged formally, but the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: provided evidence that they tried to protect their daughter and

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Speaker 1: intentionally provided cops with the wrong cell phone rather than

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Speaker 1: the one believed to contain the damning images and text messages.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and Detective Veranowski also testify to that in court.

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Speaker 1: And we're wondering just how far the parent's involvement is

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Speaker 1: going to turn.

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Speaker 2: Out to be.

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Speaker 1: But that said, I want to go back to Kevin

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Speaker 1: Law's former special agent with Homeland Security, author of Hunter

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Speaker 1: of the Damned Walk Through Hell. Kevin again, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Kevin. It's a family effort. How

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Speaker 1: many times have you seen where parents or others other

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Speaker 1: relatives try to cover for their child. Of course, this

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Speaker 1: isn't a child, this one is now almost twenty four

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Speaker 1: years old.

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Speaker 10: I've got to say, this is the first time that

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Speaker 10: I've heard the parents covering for it. I've had a

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Speaker 10: lot of I've had a substantial number of rests where

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Speaker 10: there's somebody else helping the perpetrate. You know, a friend,

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Speaker 10: a neighbor, somebody like that. But this is the first

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Speaker 10: I've heard of the actual parents doing it. That's a

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Speaker 10: bit of a shocker.

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Speaker 2: We see now the defense lining up. Take a listen. Alyssa.

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Speaker 8: Zinger's defense attorney claims Zinger has a history of emotional

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Speaker 8: and developmental challenges and suffered at the hands of bullies

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Speaker 8: growing up, resulting in severe self esteem issues.

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Speaker 6: Clear from just the content of the text messages, this

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Speaker 6: is not a twenty two year old adult having communication

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Speaker 6: with somebody who she saws or ea.

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Speaker 8: The defense argues Zinger's developmental delays are improved by an

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Speaker 8: individualized education plan created by Zinger's high school.

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Speaker 1: Curious that a developmental delay is somehow going to be

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Speaker 1: equated with insanity just because you have an individualized education

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Speaker 1: plan created by Zinger's high school. She's not in high

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Speaker 1: school anymore, she's holding down a job, and she has

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Speaker 1: the wherewithal to target little children. I'm just very cure,

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Speaker 1: Annie Map how she found the children? Did she find

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Speaker 1: them online?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 6: She found them on TikTok, also on Snapchat, which is

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Speaker 6: the platform that it appears that she would take people

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Speaker 6: from You know that one victim, the first one that

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Speaker 6: she met on TikTok, and then later that conversation continued

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Speaker 6: through Snapchat. And if you note just through the court records,

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Speaker 6: these are all kids that knew each other. You know,

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Speaker 6: one victim she met at the other victim's home. So

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Speaker 6: these are all people that were well aware of each other,

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Speaker 6: and you found out that they were all talking to

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Speaker 6: the same person.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 6: This has done and lived a full life masquating as

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Speaker 6: a fourteen year old girlfriend to.

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Speaker 2: A true fourteen year old.

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Speaker 3: This is not a two year old child.

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Speaker 8: This is an adult.

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Speaker 6: Is a twenty two year.

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Speaker 2: Old adult masquerading as a fourteen year old child.

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Speaker 1: Will it wouldn't be the first time an adult has

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Speaker 1: posed as a child.

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Speaker 2: In order to molest another child. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 8: James Wilson is a seventeen year old boy who meets

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Speaker 8: a fifteen year old West Virginia girl online. They have

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Speaker 8: a real connection. They meet in person twice, once at

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Speaker 8: a Pennsylvania hotel with her mother and two other friends.

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Speaker 8: They meet a second time at the girl's home. James

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Speaker 8: gives his girlfriend's cell phones and pays the bills. The

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Speaker 8: girl uses the phones to take new photos and send

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Speaker 8: to James. Police get involved when a friend of the

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Speaker 8: fifteen year old confronts James, telling him she doesn't believe

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Speaker 8: he is what he pretends to be, and James threatens

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Speaker 8: to kill her. She contacts the National Center for Missing

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Speaker 8: and Exploited Children and an investigation begins. Turns out James Wilson,

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Speaker 8: seventeen year old boy is really twenty four year old female.

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Speaker 8: Carissa hads Has is arrested and charged with traveling across

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Speaker 8: state lines for the purpose of coercing or enticing a minor.

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Speaker 1: Pretending to be a child in order to molest a child.

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Speaker 2: It is no longer uncommon listen.

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Speaker 8: DeAndre Banks is a twenty five year old man, but

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Speaker 8: on Facebook, he pretends to be a teen girl. Posing

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Speaker 8: as the girl, Banks is able to get attention from

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Speaker 8: a seventeen year old boy. As the teen girl, Banks

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Speaker 8: lures the boy to a house in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

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Speaker 8: When the boy shows up, Banks threatens him with a weapon,

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Speaker 8: then assaults the teen A fifteen year old boys Bank's

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Speaker 8: next victim. This time, he lures the victim to a

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Speaker 8: vacant house, but the boy is too strong and fast,

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Speaker 8: and he escapes unharmed and goes to police. DeAndre Banks

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Speaker 8: faces two counts of kidnapping one count of sexual battery

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Speaker 8: with a deadly weapon.

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Speaker 2: Oh We're not done yet, listen.

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Speaker 4: Breonna Stuart, sixteen, enrolls an Evergreen High School in Vancouver, Washington,

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Speaker 4: claiming she ran away from her Satanist father who abused

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Speaker 4: her and murdered her mother. While Stuart joins the tennis team,

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Speaker 4: gets a d in drama and attends prom with her boyfriend.

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Speaker 4: Students say they thought she was a teacher and she

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Speaker 4: looks older than other girls. After Stuart graduates, she seeks

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Speaker 4: out a Social Security card, providing her fingerprints to obtain

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Speaker 4: the document, The prince matched several other homeless teens, Stephanie

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Speaker 4: Danielle Lewis and Emily Kara Williams. Heard identity is connected

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Speaker 4: to the fingerprints a thirty one year old Treva Throneberry.

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Speaker 4: Carl and Patsy Thronberry identify a photo of Stuart as

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Speaker 4: their daughter. Thronberry is arrested on fraud and perjury charges,

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Speaker 4: for which she serves just over two years in prison.

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Speaker 5: Zach Hess transfers from Lincoln, Nebraska's Southeast High School to

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Speaker 5: Northwest High School. Hess appears to be an average seventeen

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Speaker 5: year old, standing five feet four inches tall and weighing

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Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty pounds, but a teacher finds Hess

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Speaker 5: extremely familiar flipping through old yearbooks. Hess looks exactly like

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Speaker 5: former student Zachary Schik, who graduated from Lincoln Public Schools

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Speaker 5: eight years ago. While the twenty six year old posed

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Speaker 5: as a student, Shike sent explicit text to multiple students

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Speaker 5: and paid a thirteen year old girl to send him

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Speaker 5: nude photos. Prosecutors believe Shike's sexually assaulted six students over

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Speaker 5: the school year. Shike pleads no guilty to two counts

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Speaker 5: of sexual assault and sex trafficking of a minor and

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Speaker 5: is still awaiting trial.

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Speaker 1: How is that alleged sex molest any different from the

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Speaker 1: Glamazon bakery worker Alissa an Zinger wants a man wants

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Speaker 1: a woman. The victims all school aged as young as twelve.

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Speaker 2: Years old, to and a Sonoda. Many people see a.

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Speaker 1: Differentiation between a girl victim and a boy victim.

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Speaker 2: I do not, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: We have a very difficult time, especially in this country

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Speaker 3: recognizing females as predators. So first and foremost the benefit

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Speaker 3: of this case, the potential silver lining, is for all

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Speaker 3: families to be well aware of the fact that predators

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Speaker 3: online can be male, and they can also be female.

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Speaker 3: And when we hand our children devices for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: we need to ensure that those devices are as protected

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Speaker 3: as possible, keeping lines of communication open, and always following

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Speaker 3: up with checking children's phones, checking their social media platforms

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Speaker 3: for any possible signs of predation and grooming. Remember, predators

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Speaker 3: run on gas, grooming, access, and space, and in this case,

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Speaker 3: these potential victims and there will be more that come out,

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Speaker 3: probably they were accessible via online platforms. So families need

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Speaker 3: to be well aware and attuned to cases like this

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Speaker 3: so that they can educate themselves and their young children.

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Speaker 1: So often we see female teachers, female caregivers as being harmless,

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Speaker 1: and I think, somewhere deep in our minds we equate

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Speaker 1: them with our own mothers or sisters.

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Speaker 2: Nothing could be further from the truth. We wait as.

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Speaker 1: Justice unfolds with Alyssa an Zinger, but now we stop

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Speaker 1: to remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Jemias Young, just twenty

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Speaker 1: one Deputy Sheriff Young died in the line of duty.

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Speaker 1: Jemias Young was an Army Reserve vet, and he leaves

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Speaker 1: behind his parents, three brothers, and two sisters, all grieving

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Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Sheriff Jemias Young. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: all of our guests for being with us tonight, but

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Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us tonight and every night.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,