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Speaker 1: We have quite a show for you today, my friends.

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Speaker 1: Team Buck, thank you very much for joining me here

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Speaker 1: in the Freedom Hunt. We're gonna be talking about the

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Speaker 1: White House openly accusing Russia of covering up the chemical

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Speaker 1: That is quite an allegation, especially on the eve of

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Rex Tillerson meeting with his Russian counterparts

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Speaker 1: in Moscow. You also have Jeff Sessions bringing the immigration

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Speaker 1: issue back up, Attorney General saying that cartels and gangs

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Speaker 1: notice the federal government is coming after them, and there

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Speaker 1: will be a renewed focus on that, as well as

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Speaker 1: other aspects of enforcement at the federal level of immigration law,

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Speaker 1: and more on the fallout for United Airlines. Oh my,

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Speaker 1: it has been quite a busy twenty four hours for

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Speaker 1: the United PR team, and we'll also get into some

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Speaker 1: other stories and thoughts throughout the show. Let me start

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Speaker 1: into what we should be talking about, because while I

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Speaker 1: don't like to play too much defense, we can already

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Speaker 1: see where they is going with Sean Spicer. Sean Spicer

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Speaker 1: is now trending on Twitter. And while you're like, who

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Speaker 1: cares what trends on Twitter, Well, this is where media

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Speaker 1: people get their sense of what other media people are

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Speaker 1: talking about. Sean Spicer is trunding on Twitter right now.

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Speaker 1: There are already well, there's a lot of activity surrounding

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Speaker 1: Spicer because of what he said at a press comments

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Speaker 1: earlier today, and I'll get into the details of it um,

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Speaker 1: but there is a lot of mockery and people want

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Speaker 1: to mock Sean Spicer. I have a lot of sympathy

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Speaker 1: for somebody who has to get up and answer questions

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Speaker 1: and the press is trying to well, in some cases

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Speaker 1: get to the truth, in most cases trying to just

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Speaker 1: undermine you in the administration you represent. But people make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: I will, over the course of this show say things

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Speaker 1: that were unintentional, either unintentionally wrong or even offensive or

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Speaker 1: it's just going to happen if you speak for three

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Speaker 1: hours at a time. I'm sitting here with a microphone

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Speaker 1: not reading anything. No one's prepare anything. This is just me.

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Speaker 1: So I have sympathy in that regard for Sean Spicer

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Speaker 1: right now because what he said was, uh, was a blunder,

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Speaker 1: right because the whole purpose of the liberal media right

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Speaker 1: to isolate and destroy. Classic Olynsky, by the way, isolate

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Speaker 1: what Olynsky taught his community organizer followers, and that is

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Speaker 1: what we see the media doing now. In fact, there

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Speaker 1: have caught earlier in the week on CNN that broke

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Speaker 1: up this current White House into factions. You had the

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Speaker 1: previous faction GOP insider, bell Way establishment types. You had

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Speaker 1: family members kush Well, Kushner was the way I believe

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Speaker 1: they described this tear. But what was fascinating wasn't a

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Speaker 1: They haven't just been saying it should be investigative. They

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Speaker 1: what we should talk about. Because they're calling for Spicer

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Speaker 1: to resign. He is getting ridiculed on social media. That's

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Speaker 1: nothing new, but they're calling for his resignation. I see

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Speaker 1: here the Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect, its official

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Speaker 1: fired or resign. Um. Here is what he said. And

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Speaker 1: And he made the mistake of going into the let's

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Speaker 1: of course his boss, Donald Trump, has been unfairly compared

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Speaker 1: But Spicer went to the Hitler comparison and that's not

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Speaker 1: yourself immediately will know Hitler engaged in the extermination of

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Speaker 1: This is the plan, all right. Sean Spicer, by by

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Speaker 1: or a aginst ASSAD holdovers or whatever. Right, this is

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Speaker 1: just doing what is already being done in terms of

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Speaker 1: on the ground, doing maybe a little more of it

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Speaker 1: and more aggressive air strikes. And uh. But then also

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Speaker 1: the diplomatic reality changes, and I think the the air strike,

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Speaker 1: I keep saying air strike, the missile strike um may

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Speaker 1: have been helpful in that regard and that it shows

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Speaker 1: a seriousness of purpose to our allies, and it also

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Speaker 1: shows the Assad regime that there can be consequences for

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Speaker 1: further bad behavior. People say, well, this one strike didn't

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Speaker 1: mean all that much, and that is true, although it

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Speaker 1: is a departure from previous policy, and hitting Assad in

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Speaker 1: any way is something Obama was unwilling to do. All

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Speaker 1: of that said, if let's say there's a usage of

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Speaker 1: chemical weapons, again, well, maybe then we hit four air fields, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that this is and this you can see

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Speaker 1: how this escalates very quickly, and it becomes an escalation

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Speaker 1: of force issue, meaning that we want certain things, we

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Speaker 1: want certain concessions from Assad even on the battlefield, and

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Speaker 1: we say, look, you know you can continue fighting against Isis.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna have but if we see widespread bombing

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Speaker 1: of civilian areas, we're gonna hit you. Or if we

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Speaker 1: see now that does turn into another discussion. And I

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Speaker 1: know there's I'm talking about a lot of things here,

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Speaker 1: but this is the reality, as you know, Greg from

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Speaker 1: having as he said, served who do you serve within

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Speaker 1: the rock? By the way, are your army or a

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Speaker 1: marine army? Um And and this is the complexity of

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Speaker 1: the situation. Right, It's easy to to break this down

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Speaker 1: into you know, Trump says we're gonna defeat ices. Obama

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Speaker 1: wasn't good at this. Trump wants the Muslim band, the

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Speaker 1: talking points, the slogans that everyone's banding back and forth

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Speaker 1: for domestic political reasons. Here, if we really want to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to deal with the Islamic state, it

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Speaker 1: does require many levels and a lot of moving parts

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Speaker 1: all at once. This is a complicated civil war with

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Speaker 1: very real, unfortunately catastrophic human cost and a lot of

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Speaker 1: different players and factions and parties involved. Okay, with all

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Speaker 1: of that, we have to then confront the issue of one.

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Speaker 1: You can't think the Kurds, not only do the Kurds

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Speaker 1: uh are not going to be in a position to

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Speaker 1: kick Assad out for US. Right, they might be able

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Speaker 1: to take Rocca from Isis, but they're not going to

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Speaker 1: take on Asad's army for US. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: want to take on Assad's army. And the Turks, certainly,

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Speaker 1: who are uh concerned about Turkish expansion mean Kurdish expansion

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Speaker 1: is um for a whole variety of issues, right, Turkish

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Speaker 1: state aspirations that Turks would have, they would they would

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Speaker 1: freak out if they thought that we were backing a

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Speaker 1: Kurdish But that's that's so that's not really on the table.

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Speaker 1: So then you have to work with factions Sunni, Arab,

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Speaker 1: Syrian factions on the ground to come up. Wait, sorry,

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Speaker 1: I even jumped, I jumped beyond a step. So we

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Speaker 1: can't use the Kurds. The Kurds take Rocca from the

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Speaker 1: Islamic State. Do we want to get rid of Ice.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, do we want to get rid of

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Speaker 1: a sad or not? Do we are we going to

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Speaker 1: force him out and we're going to try to induce

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Speaker 1: him out. Is there any scenario we can foresee where

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Speaker 1: Assad would willingly give up his power? I think the

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Speaker 1: answer to that is no. I don't think there is.

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Speaker 1: And I think even with a promise of safe conduct

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Speaker 1: to the south of France or wherever he'd want to

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Speaker 1: go and everything else, I still don't believe that Assad

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Speaker 1: would step down. I think he's a true believer in

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Speaker 1: his Baptist oppressive totalitarian party and he does recognize And

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Speaker 1: this is where this all Also, the levels of complexity

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Speaker 1: UH are even greater than I think many in the

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Speaker 1: media who have never, as you have, as I have,

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Speaker 1: been in an active war zone dealing with many of

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Speaker 1: these same factions Sunni, Arabs, she Arabs, Kurds um. Part

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Speaker 1: of the problem that becomes if you decide to topple assade,

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Speaker 1: even if you use proxies to do it, what happens

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Speaker 1: when those proxies on the ground UH exceed exceed the

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Speaker 1: boundaries of humanitarian expectations that we would have for their

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Speaker 1: duct right. What happens when there are reprisal killings in

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Speaker 1: the streets of Damascus, assuming we could get together a

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Speaker 1: Sunni Arab force that was not uh isis based obviously

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Speaker 1: we're trying to defeat ices, assuming we could even vet

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Speaker 1: properly to do that, which is you know, and you

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Speaker 1: can see Greg as I'm talking about this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many years do you think this is gonna what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about here? This takes two, three, four, maybe

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Speaker 1: five six years, I don't know. It takes a long time.

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Speaker 1: But that's what that's what really solve it. If we're

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Speaker 1: going to try to solve Syria, that's what it looks like.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a real discussion about it, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to just well let's just get rid of Asad and

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Speaker 1: like take over. Not that easy, exactly what I mean.

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Speaker 1: We've spent what ten minutes you're talking about this, and

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be a multi year issue that we're

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Speaker 1: going to deal with. It's similar to dealing with a

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Speaker 1: with a hostage taker. You know, there's no there has

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Speaker 1: to be some sort of give and take. He has

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Speaker 1: to know where the boundaries are. We have to set

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Speaker 1: boundaries to say, hey, you're not gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: cross this issue. And like you said, working with all

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Speaker 1: these different factions, as I know, you know, being on

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Speaker 1: the ground in Iraq for over two years, these factions

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Speaker 1: they take hold of a particular you know, a block

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Speaker 1: of a city and then you know, the next block over.

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Speaker 1: Those people get mad and we're dealing with you know,

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Speaker 1: ten different levels of Islam and what factions they belong

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Speaker 1: to in people, And there's no easy answer, everybody, Lindsay Graham,

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, let's just put five thousand guys in

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Speaker 1: the ground. I'm not absolutely not for that, because there's

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Speaker 1: why you're not going to allow the military to do

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Speaker 1: what they're best at, and that's closing with and destroying

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Speaker 1: with the enemy. I mean, that's not gonna happen. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, build relationships and things like that. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a venture that we should obviously

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Speaker 1: go into um but you know, building some sort of

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Speaker 1: coalition to remove him or at least surround him enough

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Speaker 1: where he's contained within Damascus is is probably the best,

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Speaker 1: the best option for the foreseeable future. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: the Kurds aren't gonna I mean, they might take Rock

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Speaker 1: and that's about it. They're not gonna want to expand anymore. Um,

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Speaker 1: they just want to have live in peace and have

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Speaker 1: their own state eventually. Yeah. And and it should be

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Speaker 1: noted that let's say we do have a US A

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Speaker 1: increased US force presence in Syria's similar to what we

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Speaker 1: have in Iraq to provide uh, certain frontline assistance, intelligence,

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Speaker 1: aerial targeting, uh, you know, air combat controllers, those kinds

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Speaker 1: of roles. Uh. Let's let's say we do have that,

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Speaker 1: and then we we topple. Let's say we top of

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Speaker 1: the Islamic State out of Rocca. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: every guy, as you well know, Greg, from what we've

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Speaker 1: seen and what we dealt with, I was in the

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Speaker 1: Iraq Syria desk. You served in the rock for the U.

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Speaker 1: S Military and the army. Uh. There's there's not some

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Speaker 1: uniform that all these guys have on that they're gonna

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Speaker 1: want to keep on uh and say, oh, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was part of ice. No, they're gonna melt back into

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Speaker 1: the civilian population. And in fact, given the the utterly

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Speaker 1: craven nature of the Assad regime and what we've seen

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Speaker 1: from them in the past, and the Assad regime's willingness

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Speaker 1: to turn to blind eye to g Hotti ists flying

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Speaker 1: into Syria and then crossing the border to blow up

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Speaker 1: as suicide bombers in a rack, uh, to make our

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Speaker 1: lives more difficult. They're meaning US, US military and US

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Speaker 1: government trying to cobble together a stable country and of

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Speaker 1: course killing many Iraqis in that process. I can foresee

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Speaker 1: a future where the Assad regime is willing to work

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Speaker 1: with ISIS against whatever force kicked ISIS out of rock

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Speaker 1: in the surrounding areas. That's how insane and maddening and

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Speaker 1: depraved this whole situation quickly become. So this is why

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Speaker 1: for now, uh you know, encircled defeat ISIS create a

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Speaker 1: political a real political coalition that's willing to deal with

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Speaker 1: the Assad problem down the line. But it is a

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Speaker 1: bit down the line, meaning this is not in a

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Speaker 1: month or six months. ASSAD is a problem that once

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Speaker 1: we've dealt with ISIS, we can turn around and start

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Speaker 1: to look at it. But toppling and that that is

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Speaker 1: a nightmare waiting to having g Thank you for your service, sir,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the great call and shield tie Well,

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Speaker 1: I I said it before I even knew it, but

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Speaker 1: I figured it was true, and it was. Sean Spicer

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Speaker 1: has already apologized. Um, I assumed he had, and he

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Speaker 1: has now officially. I see this. Uh. He says that

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Speaker 1: he was quote. I was obviously trying to make a

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Speaker 1: point about the heinous acts that I saw made against

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Speaker 1: his own people last week using chemical weapons and gas,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, I mistakenly used an inappropriate, insensitive reference to

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Speaker 1: Holocaust proacher is frankly no comparison. Okay, yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: I was saying. But you know, it's it's not about

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Speaker 1: Sean Spicer being insensitive. For most of the media, they

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Speaker 1: could have given him the benefit of the doubt here

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Speaker 1: in the sense that yeah, okay, he said something, as

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Speaker 1: I said, it was a blunder was it was dumb,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't intentionally offensive. Um. But here here we are.

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Speaker 1: They are still going to be calling for his resignation.

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Speaker 1: It's not just media say that. Nancy Pelosi calling for

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Speaker 1: his resignation or firing as well. Um. So so little

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Speaker 1: attention paid, uh in the meantime to what's going on

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Speaker 1: right now where you have Secretary of State Rex Tillerson

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Speaker 1: heading to Moscow squaring off with Putin and his top advisors,

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Speaker 1: the most powerful people in Russia, and is going to

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Speaker 1: be pushing them on a whole host of issues relating

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Speaker 1: to Syria and I'm sure others as well. And this

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Speaker 1: is supposed to be the administration that is so pro Russia. Um,

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Speaker 1: they are the ones who are going to take orders

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Speaker 1: from the Kremlin. This is what we've been told for months.

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Speaker 1: What's the story now? I mean, you know, there was

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Speaker 1: a guy last night. I had to see it. Um,

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Speaker 1: I saw the clip this morning. What was this Representative

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Speaker 1: Seth Molten of Massive Choose It's who wasn't willing to

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Speaker 1: even say that he was completely sure that this wasn't

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Speaker 1: some kind of an active collusion between Trump and Russia.

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Speaker 1: This is a Democrat and I believe he's a member

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Speaker 1: of Congress, and he could be a state senator or

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Speaker 1: state rep. But I think he's a member of Congress.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he's Yeah, he's a member of Congress. That's

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Speaker 1: how far this psychological rot has spread. People have been

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Speaker 1: saying this now for such a long time. They've been

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Speaker 1: getting away with this. They've been promoting this story without evidence,

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Speaker 1: story largely without a basis with it's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: story without facts. It's just a story with a lot

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Speaker 1: of supposition, and it's so corrupted the minds of not

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Speaker 1: just members of the media, and of course a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of Democrats and people that I'll just you know,

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Speaker 1: walk around and I talked to him on the street.

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Speaker 1: This is what they would say. But members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're saying that people are gonna go to

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Speaker 1: ail for this. This is worse than Watergate. Trump's gonna

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Speaker 1: be arrest at all because he was so cozy with Russia.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it look like those of us who were saying

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Speaker 1: all along that Trump as a benefit to the Trump's

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Speaker 1: election as an obvious and clear better choice for Russia,

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Speaker 1: would seem to be a bit of a stretch. The

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Speaker 1: opposition to him during the campaign, a lot of it

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Speaker 1: was that he was mercurial, that yeah, you can't trust him,

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Speaker 1: you don't know where he's gonna come down on an issue.

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Speaker 1: That that's who you want as a leader of the

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Speaker 1: free world. If you're putin and you're a dictator and

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Speaker 1: a totalitarian in your own way, I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 1: who you want to be squaring off against. I think personally,

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Speaker 1: if I were if I were advising. If I were

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Speaker 1: like a senior FSB officer I had Putin's ere, I

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Speaker 1: would have been saying, Look, with with Hillary, you just

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Speaker 1: have to give her the excuses she needs for inaction,

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Speaker 1: like Obama excuse excuses that he needed for an action

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Speaker 1: on Syria and a whole bunch of other Russian provocations.

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Speaker 1: Give her the excuses needed, and make sure that there

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Speaker 1: are some Russian oligarchs who are paying bill either big

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Speaker 1: speaking fees, or if that's too obvious, write some big

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Speaker 1: checks to the Clinton Global Initiative, which is closed down

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Speaker 1: by the way, Oh yeah, I guess there're no more

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Speaker 1: global problems for it to solve, or write some checks

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Speaker 1: the Clinton Foundation, whatever it may be. Um, that would

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Speaker 1: have seemed to me to be a more sure and

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Speaker 1: more sure bet. But here, here we are. The first

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Speaker 1: foreign policy actions taken by the Trump administration are specifically

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Speaker 1: in opposition to Russia. Of all countries, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of countries in the world right are roughly a

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Speaker 1: two hundred or so, And yet that the place where

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Speaker 1: we see the Trump administration flexing its muscles on foreign

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Speaker 1: policy is in a way that is just that that

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Speaker 1: shows a willingness to stand up to Russia that the

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Speaker 1: previous administration didn't not have. And now we've got members

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Speaker 1: of congressment around saying, well, maybe this is all part

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Speaker 1: of Trump's conspiracy to throw us off the scent of

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Speaker 1: the Russia conspiracy. I mean, have these people lost their minds?

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Speaker 1: He's an x C, I a officer who knows how

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Speaker 1: to outsmart the enemies of liberty. What I do have

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Speaker 1: very particular set of skills. Buck Sexton with America Now

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Speaker 1: team your mission, should you choose to accept it, called

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Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine hundred Buck make contact

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Speaker 1: unless you're under hostile surveillance to eight to five. While

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Speaker 1: it's certainly worth while to discuss Trump's change in policy

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Speaker 1: with regard to Syria and where all this is going,

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Speaker 1: we also have to understand that the enemy gets a vote,

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Speaker 1: The enemy is responding. The enemy is not going to

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Speaker 1: sit still for us. The Islamics date is taking actions

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Speaker 1: that I do not believe have gotten nearly enough attention

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Speaker 1: in this recent discussion over Trump and Assad and Russia. UH.

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Speaker 1: We're joined now by Hassan Hassan, who co wrote the

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Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller Isis Inside the Army of Terror?

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Speaker 1: He's also a Resident fellow at the Tachreer Institute for

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Speaker 1: Middle East Policy. Hassan, great to have you, great, great

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Speaker 1: to be with it. So I thought your your peace

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Speaker 1: was very important at the Terrier Institute, Hassan, the rush

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Speaker 1: for Rocca overlooks isis is next moves. I don't think

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Speaker 1: anyone's paying much attention to this. But if we're going

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to beat ISIS, we need to

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Speaker 1: what's going on right now? What is the enemy doing well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the you know, Rucca is going to

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Speaker 1: take place at some point in the next few weeks,

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Speaker 1: probably a month or so. The problem with that is that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the campaign against ISIS and Rocca will probably

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Speaker 1: be a success. I think there's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: The problem is after Rocca, ISIS has already been building

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Speaker 1: another terrain for it to go back to, to kind

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Speaker 1: of pull back on. And I think if the United

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Speaker 1: States uh put that in in the kind of in

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Speaker 1: focus right now rather than after they take a Rocca,

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Speaker 1: I think that the that would be far more effective

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Speaker 1: against ISIS than if they take Rocca, and then ISIS

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Speaker 1: will find another corner where they feel they need to

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Speaker 1: fight even more fiercely, fiercely than than than currently you

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Speaker 1: write in your piece about a According to people in

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Speaker 1: the region, right now, there's a kind of anarchy where

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Speaker 1: much of the Islamic states, actual state operations have come

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Speaker 1: to a halt. And it seems that what they're there

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Speaker 1: now are they preparing for a last stand or they

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Speaker 1: trying to establish themselves in other parts of Syria for

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Speaker 1: UH protracted insurgency operations. I think they're trying to retreat

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Speaker 1: to another part of Syria, Iraq. This is a region

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Speaker 1: that it's actually the only region that links Iraq and Syria.

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Speaker 1: This is UH their way of saying, we still control Iraq,

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Speaker 1: have have some presents in Iraq and Syria. It's an

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Speaker 1: area that ISIS has been fortifying for more than two

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Speaker 1: two years. In fact, the first when when the United

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Speaker 1: States started striking started striking against ices in Iraq and Syria,

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Speaker 1: that's where we started to see the leaders of ISIS.

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Speaker 1: Some senior operatures started to somehow show up there. And

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Speaker 1: that's where like, for example, when the United States started

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Speaker 1: announcing the killing of senior leaders, where were they they

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Speaker 1: were in that in that region. The problem is that

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Speaker 1: obviously the United States or the US led coalition focused

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Speaker 1: on most A and Roca. So recently we started to

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Speaker 1: hear reports from the ground saying that many of the operative,

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Speaker 1: especially senior leaders of ISIS and administrative staff. These are

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Speaker 1: the people who are in charge of police in Rocca,

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Speaker 1: people who are roam in the market and making sure

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Speaker 1: that everyone complies with their ideology and so on and

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Speaker 1: so forth, they started to leave Rocca and go somewhere else,

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Speaker 1: uh namely specifically into Eastern Luck, deep into the Euphrates River,

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Speaker 1: down down into the rock. What that means is that

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Speaker 1: i SIS is leaving the fighters, the people who are

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Speaker 1: gonna conduct the military operation inside Rocca, and leave the

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Speaker 1: people who are responsible on charge of governance elsewhere. That's

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Speaker 1: where they are. So basically they're doing two things. They

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Speaker 1: are fortifying Rocca. They're making sure that there are people

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Speaker 1: who are gonna stay and fighting Rocky in the same

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Speaker 1: way that they did in the same way they did

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Speaker 1: in Muscles. But they will also want to keep the

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Speaker 1: people who are who can run a kill if it

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Speaker 1: elsewhere they go down down the river. So they're preparing

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Islamic state governance is in itself in

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Speaker 1: a sense of a shadow government. It's not a recognized government,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna move the shadow government into hiding so

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Speaker 1: that they can come back into being if there is

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Speaker 1: an opportunity, right, is that this is It is like

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Speaker 1: the Taliban moving across from Afghanistan into Pakistan again exactly,

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Speaker 1: especially the essential staff of Isis. So they don't want

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Speaker 1: they don't want to be basically um in Rocco where

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Speaker 1: the United States is gonna take Rocca and is going

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Speaker 1: to bomb them and kill them. So they're moving the

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Speaker 1: essential fighters, essential staff who can run things elsewhere and

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Speaker 1: leave so media police, religious police, and so and so

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Speaker 1: forth elsewhere, and they leaving the people who are who

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Speaker 1: are capable of fighting, who volunteered to be suicide bombers

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Speaker 1: or snipers and so and so forth, they left them in.

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Speaker 1: So obviously they wanna they wanna preserve this kind of

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Speaker 1: cadres within Isis and also to rebuild what I call

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Speaker 1: the third capital of Isis. So other than muscle and rockca,

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Speaker 1: there's another place where Isis is prepared to be the

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Speaker 1: next place where they feel where they what they tell outsiders,

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Speaker 1: they have a kale if it's functioning, kale if it

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the Iraq and Syria. Do you do you

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Speaker 1: have is there? Are there a couple of places that

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Speaker 1: you think might might be that that place that might

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Speaker 1: be that position? Yes, absolutely, really like this is uh

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Speaker 1: an area in Syria called Albucmal and other ones in

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Speaker 1: Iraq called Alkind. So this this is basically this is

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Speaker 1: where Ice, where Iraq and Syria meets, and this is

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Speaker 1: where Isis has been building its influence. But more than

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Speaker 1: more important than that is that this is where Isis

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Speaker 1: has been talking about as a center for it fall back.

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Speaker 1: So ICE is not hiding that. It's actually been talking

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Speaker 1: about it since May last year. They've been talking about

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Speaker 1: how they can retreat to another area. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: more remote than rock and muscle. There are there. These

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Speaker 1: areas are very uh, kind of rough terrain. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I assume the Kurds, for example, who have been very

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Speaker 1: useful up in the north in the northeast corner of Syria,

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Speaker 1: aren't gonna want to go all the way down to

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Speaker 1: al Kaen to chase a bunch of Iis guys. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's where things become harder. That's where you have a

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Speaker 1: fewer forces you can work with. They are remote from um,

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Speaker 1: the Iraqi forces and as well as from the Kurds

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Speaker 1: in Syria. So the question, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: dilemma because they are remote, there are no local forces.

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Speaker 1: ISIS knows that locals are not ready or prepared or

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Speaker 1: trained to find them. So this is really kind of

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Speaker 1: an an easier to rain for ISNs to function in

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Speaker 1: and make sure that they will remain in control of

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Speaker 1: some territory at some point when it's dislodged from a

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Speaker 1: rock one hassan, What is the current state of the

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Speaker 1: non ices Sunni Arab resistance in Syria? People refer to

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Speaker 1: them sometimes as as the rebels anti Assad rebels, so

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Speaker 1: not ISIS anti ASSAD forces are what parts of the

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Speaker 1: country are they holding, are they ascendant? Are they getting stronger?

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Speaker 1: Where where do you put all of that because that

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Speaker 1: will have to come into play here, not just against ISIS,

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Speaker 1: but if eventually we're going to talk about what happens

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Speaker 1: after Assad, there need to be Syrian forces in place

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Speaker 1: that can actually handle that fight. So how are they doing?

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Speaker 1: I think this is this is a really good question

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Speaker 1: and it's the biggest challenge going forward. The rebels, the

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Speaker 1: anti asset forces the Sunni rebel forces in Syria divided

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Speaker 1: into two blocks mainly, so there's one that works very

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Speaker 1: closely with Turkey in the north. In the north, these

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Speaker 1: are these forces have been fighting ISIS and UH and

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Speaker 1: Turkeys using them as a proxy or potential proxies against

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Speaker 1: the Kurds. In the north. They they have been fighting

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Speaker 1: ice Sys since August last year and they've taken a

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Speaker 1: Turkey claims to have liberated five thousand square kilometers in

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Speaker 1: that in that region. Elsewhere, the rebels are concentrated in

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Speaker 1: the north, northwest and the south and they are being

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Speaker 1: they've retreated over the past a few months. They've lost Alappo,

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Speaker 1: they've been on the defensive in Damascus and elsewhere, and

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Speaker 1: homes for example in central Syria. So they're not doing

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Speaker 1: very well and they're they're more more I think more importantly,

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Speaker 1: they have been losing support from regional allies, regional backers

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Speaker 1: and an outsiders, so they've been losing on on multiple

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Speaker 1: multiple fund On the other hand, al Qaeda in Syria,

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Speaker 1: which operates within within these rebel forces, so they are

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Speaker 1: aligned to them. They are not part of them, but

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Speaker 1: their they work very closely with them, with some of them.

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Speaker 1: They have been trying very hard over the past two

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Speaker 1: months to absorb some of these forces. They do so

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Speaker 1: by launching offenses that they think will appeal to some people.

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Speaker 1: So they want to rally people behind them, so they're

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Speaker 1: lead them from behind and from the front like they're

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Speaker 1: really on the front lines, but also trying to appeal

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Speaker 1: to people and make them feel um that they have

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Speaker 1: to bet on them rather than on outsider. And and

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Speaker 1: the last one for you or saw before you gotta

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Speaker 1: run into a break here, h what is the scenario

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Speaker 1: in which realistic scenario in which assad goes? How do

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Speaker 1: how does this? How do we? How does one get

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Speaker 1: rid of a sad realistically? I think I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's a realistic scenario for for a simple reason that

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Speaker 1: even the bactors of the Syrian opposition, these are these

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Speaker 1: include these include the Saudis, the Jordanians, the Church. Even

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Speaker 1: these guys don't want Pascia asset to or his regime

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Speaker 1: to fall abruptly because they also fear that if that

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Speaker 1: that happens, they don't know who's going to take over, right,

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Speaker 1: So I think some people in the opposition and elsewhere

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Speaker 1: they they still think that the aid has to go,

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Speaker 1: because that's only that's when things begin to be put

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Speaker 1: in placements here. Otherwise Kaid and Isis will remain and

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll try to absorb the anti asset kind of

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Speaker 1: benefit from the anti asset sentiment in Syria. Um So,

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Speaker 1: I think the realistic way is to basically ensure that

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Speaker 1: the regime stops um bombing areas and also that the

855
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: sh asset has to be phased out throughout the political process.

856
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: I think everyone understands that political settlement is needed. The

857
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: probably is a political settlement is not going to happen,

858
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: is not realistic unless the United States is willing to

859
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: say enough is enough and act to make sure that

860
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: that's the end of asha said. That has to be

861
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: a political process or an alternate, an alternative so uh,

862
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: unless Russia and Yuan and others feel that the survival

863
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: of the regime can only happen with the removal of

864
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: the said in the beginning of a political process, of

865
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: viable political process and a credible one, a credible one

866
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: in Syria that that people can rally behind, I think

867
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Speaker 1: that's the only way way forwards. Hassan Hassan is co

868
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: author of isis Inside the Army of Terror. It's a

869
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: book that I've read cover to cover and can recommend

870
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: to all of you. Sound great to have you. Thank

871
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: you for giving us some time today. Thank you very much.

872
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: So I mentioned Tucker in this Democratic Lawmaker last night.

873
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: Just played clip for for me. Please. It's one thing

874
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, members of the Trump administration met with

875
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: Russian officials. That kind of thing happens a lot. Maybe

876
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: it's ominous, maybe it's not well, and to lie about it.

877
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: And that's an important thing. I'm saying now that the

878
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: that the military action we just saw on Thursday night

879
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: may have been coordinated with the Russians to throw sluice

880
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: like you off the scent. That appears to be what

881
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: you're saying, and that just seems like a huge conspiracy

882
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: to me. Well, it's a conspiracy. If it's a conspiracy,

883
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: But the reality is, I'm just giving it as a

884
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: plausible explanation. No, that's why I said, I'm not going

885
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: to confirm it. I Look, I know you would love

886
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: for me to say that and confirm it. I'm just

887
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: saying that there are people who think that, there are

888
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: Americans who think look, look at this now you've got

889
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: a member of Congress going on national TV and say, well,

890
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe Trump and hit I mean part

891
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: of me, maybe Trump and Russia coordinated the whole thing.

892
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: Whatever thing you have, I don't need any I don't

893
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: need any evidence. Evidence is for evidence is for chumps.

894
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: Who needs evidence? Um? Okay, well that's one way to

895
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: handle all of this. Uh, let's get Rebecca from Tucson,

896
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: Arizona on the line. What's up, Rebecca, how are you hi?

897
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm good, how are you? Thank you for calling in?

898
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely great. Um. Yeah, I'm a long time listener, first

899
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: time caller, you know the old bit. But UM, I

900
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: was just listening on the drive home and I happen

901
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: to hear what you've mentioned about Sean Spicer and the

902
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: media just taken what they can and running with it. Um.

903
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: And and not to play Devil's advocate entirely, but just

904
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: a different spin. Um. You know, if if he is

905
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: going to be the representative of the party that that

906
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: we're also proud to be a part of at this

907
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: point in history, UM, perhaps he should choose his words

908
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: a little wiser given the fact that we already know

909
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: we can't change the media's perspective on virtually anything anymore.

910
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: They kind of do what they can to to pull

911
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: a story. Whether that's ethical or not isn't the issue.

912
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: And I think we already all know the answer to that.

913
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: I don't pardon me. I think you were clear on this, right.

914
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't defending what he was saying is that it

915
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 1: was right. And I'm just I said it was a blunder,

916
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: it was dumb, but he he wasn't try he was.

917
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: It didn't come from a bad place. He just made

918
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 1: a historically illiterate comment. And since I'm talking about it again,

919
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: and since when we were playing in the broadcast before

920
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: it didn't go over air for some reason, let's play

921
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: clip eight and then I'll keep talking to you about this, Rebecca.

922
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: We didn't have chemical weapons in World War Two. You know,

923
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: you had a you know, someone is despicable as Hitler

924
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: who didn't even sink to the to the to using

925
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: chemical weapons. Okay, So, and then he went on to

926
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,479
Speaker 1: say he was not using gas on his own people

927
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: the same way he brought them into the Holocaust centers.

928
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of historical ignorance, but not

929
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: historical malice. He's not like a Holocaust denier. He just

930
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: said something dombin. Now he's apologized, and he should. Should

931
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: the White House spokesman be a little more adept if

932
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: he's going to make historical analogies? Yeah, I mean it's

933
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: just a dumb thing to do. Sure, but just the

934
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: biggest news store today. No, And should the guy be fine?

935
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: And forget about even just being fired. People are saying that,

936
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: oh he's you know, he's like an anti Semite. The

937
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: stuff on social media right now is just crazy and

938
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, that's absolutely ridiculous. If if that's the case,

939
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: if what happened with some in spices today is a

940
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: case across the board, then we would all be up

941
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: for whatever. You know, turmoil follows it from any Facebook

942
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: post that we ever post personally in the government, anything

943
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: like that. But I just think that, um, given the

944
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: situation that we know what we're facing, I think there

945
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: needs to be a little bit more weirdiess. And and

946
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 1: like you said, though, I mean, you're you're up there

947
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: talking for hours exactly like you said, you can't expect perfection,

948
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: but maybe just hold on, Sean, you know, you give

949
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: it a thought before you answer it, because we already

950
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: know that there's this um not necessarily persecution, but just

951
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: this this big up for grabs. Anything goes, let's take

952
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: it and run with it. Look with this moron said today,

953
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, and it was a very moronic thing to say. However, um,

954
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: we need to be putting more thought into what we're

955
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 1: saying across the board. What are you're involved with, government, radio, media,

956
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you know, if if we want

957
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: more support on this nationwide, worldwide, even there needs to

958
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: be a more cautious train of thought. Say, look, I

959
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: don't even think Sean Spicer would disagree with you. They

960
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: need to be he needs to be more cautious on

961
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: what he says and how he says stuff. But I

962
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: just I think they the speed with which we go

963
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 1: now from somebody said something in the government or in media,

964
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: somebody said something dumb, they're gonna say sorry they didn't

965
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: and they obviously didn't mean it. Spicer clearly wasn't trying

966
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: to say that Hitler wasn't that. He was trying to

967
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: say Hitler is terrible, as Odd's terrible too, but his

968
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: comparison was, uh was a blunder. As I said, And

969
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: I just think that the oh he needs to be fired,

970
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: he's a bad person. What A what A. It's because

971
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: it's because they hate Trump. It's because they hate Trump.

972
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: They hate everybody works for Trump. And and they realized

973
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: that part a strategy to deal with and Rebecca, thanks

974
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: for calling in shield tie A strategy to deal with, Uh,

975
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: the administration is just to keep picking off people one

976
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: by one, with with pressure, with media shaming, with insinuations

977
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: or even outright allegations about misconduct or wrongdoing that can't

978
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: be proven or hasn't been proven. Uh. And it's just

979
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: eventually this bears fruit for the other side. Eventually this

980
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: becomes a worthwhile and useful tax for them. I want

981
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: to talk to you about Jeff Sessions and immigration coming up,

982
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: and we will get into There's more on that United

983
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: story from everybody from yesterday, everybody there. There's more. Um,

984
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of fun with memes today United,

985
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: as I'm sure some of you saw, if you had

986
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: a chance to bounce around at all on social media,

987
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: a lot of that going on. Do you think the

988
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: government should investigate? Then? The industry as a whole, as

989
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: it relates to passenger treatment, law enforcement is reviewing that situation.

990
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: I think there's plenty of law enforcement to review a

991
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: situation like that. I don't think anyone looks at that

992
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: video and isn't a little disturbed than another human being

993
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: is treated that way. Clearly watching another human being dragged

994
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: down an aisle, UM watching you know, blood come from

995
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: their face after hitting an arm rest and whatever. I

996
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: don't think there's a circumstance that you can sit back

997
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: and say, this probably could have been handled a little

998
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: bit better. Yeah, it could have been hand a little

999
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: bit better. Including but I know we've jumped the United story.

1000
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna hold off on it, but I want

1001
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: to talk about it now because it is getting still

1002
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people very fired up on this one.

1003
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: Um the United CEO initially came out and backed up

1004
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: his people on this, saying that this was handled according

1005
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: to the protocol, and then based on the backlash to this,

1006
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: changed his tune a bit and came out with a

1007
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: different statement. So CEO switching up his position on this

1008
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: in the same day is noteworthy. I think that's shows you,

1009
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: um Oscar Munos is the CEO. It shows how how

1010
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: much attention this story has gotten. And initially he said,

1011
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: what what's the phrase that REU? What's the phrase re

1012
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: he's been Oh I can't remember now. Um, but they

1013
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: had the CEO say that, well, that they bumped this guy,

1014
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: and the CEO is coming out saying that it was

1015
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying to fly. Sorry, I'm I'm fumbling for the

1016
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: statement right now. Is all on arrow with you, guys,

1017
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find it. Oh yeah, he was described

1018
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: as the CEO described him as disruptive and belligerent, and

1019
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: also wrote, this isn't an email to all staff at

1020
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 1: the United I am emphatically stand behind all of you. Um. Oh,

1021
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: re accommodate. That's what I was trying to go. He

1022
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: had been re accommodated. This is the way they make

1023
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: it sound like. It's if you remember or the video

1024
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: game Mortal Kombat, you know, instead of finish him, it's,

1025
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, reaccommodate him. I mean it's it's pretty rough. Um,

1026
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: pretty rough to be re accommodated. Uh. And so here

1027
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: we are now with the whole country finally venting our

1028
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: collective fury and rage at one of the biggest airline carriers.

1029
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: Because if you've flown in recent years, you have been

1030
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: subject to this just increasingly bad treatment. And I think

1031
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: it's highlighted for all of us because everything else around

1032
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: us seems to be getting at least in a in

1033
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: the sense of consumerism and technology, everything is getting better, faster, cheaper,

1034
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: except for flying on airlines that's getting more uncomfortable. Seems like,

1035
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: at least in reason years to me, it's been getting

1036
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: more expensive than I know that fuel prices play role

1037
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: in all this and other things that are other variables

1038
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: that are market based, but the service has been getting

1039
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: worse additional charges, and no one seems to care, and

1040
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: you are left out high and dry when the airline

1041
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: decides that that's what's gonna happen. Oh wait, and as

1042
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: an aside here before we just dive in more to

1043
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: this United Airlines fiasco, and it clearly is a fiasco. Uh.

1044
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: There was a piece in the Courier Journal I see

1045
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: here on David Dow Dr David Dow who now everyone

1046
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: digs through his past, his life, a private and professional

1047
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: his life. Uh, they dig through that as though somehow

1048
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: that's relevant here. It was fascinating to see this. The

1049
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: media runs this story on the guy, and sure they

1050
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: have they have the usual asking someone who knows him,

1051
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: he's a pleasant guy. Most people, if you were to

1052
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: ask those who are just kind of around them, and

1053
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: if you remember the press, most folks will just go, yeah,

1054
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: he's a nice he's a nice enough guy. You know,

1055
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of quiet, and that's the response you you

1056
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: more or less expect in these cases. But he had

1057
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: some trouble, some legal trouble in the past, and I

1058
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: feel like I shouldn't even talk about it because it

1059
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: is irrelevant. But it's already out there all across the media,

1060
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: So I'm not doing him any particular favor by not

1061
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: speaking about it myself. He was convicted of selling prescription

1062
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Speaker 1: or well fraudulent prescription drug offenses. Uh, he lost he

1063
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Speaker 1: surrendered his medical license here, and there was some other

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01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: stuff as well. At being involved, I think with a patient,

1065
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: and this is all nonsense. Why is this even out there?

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Speaker 1: How is this in any way relevant to the story

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: at hand? Now? I know that, uh that, I guess

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: the media's response on this would be that because this

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: is such a national story and he's involved in and

1070
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: everything is fair, can but doesn't that seem a little

1071
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: it seems a little cold, little little crass you exploit

1072
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: this guy's if it were relevant in this discussion. Okay, maybe,

1073
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: but that he had some runnings with the law in

1074
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: the past doesn't seem to me to matter much based

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01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: on what we've been told about the incident. And keep

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01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: in mind the United CEO after using the real he

1077
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: he was re accommodated. That's that's the meme possibilities here,

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: my friends with reaccommodated, I don't have to work on

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01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: some tonight. The meme possibilities are endless. That that's gonna

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01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: stay with us. I think for a while, um there was.

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of references to believe his name

1082
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: is Nigan from The Walking Dead on the various social

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01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: media platforms. In response to being reaccommodated, I actually bailed

1084
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: on The Walking Dead after the first episode of the

1085
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: most recent season because it was just too It was

1086
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: too It actually reached the threshold for me of too violent.

1087
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: I just couldn't do it anymore. I'd had enough. And

1088
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: now people are telling me should go back and finished

1089
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: off the show. But that's a discussion, perhaps for another day.

1090
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: So the CEO said he was disruptive and bellinger, and

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01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: now he's saying, oh, well, actually he probably should have

1092
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: handle this differently. And then you get all these aviation

1093
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: lawyers who come out and they want to tell us, oh, well,

1094
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: there's these rules. There's so many different rules and the

1095
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: contract you sign. I thought this was interesting. The contract

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01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: you sign, or I should say contract, but the the

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Speaker 1: provisions that are detailed in your quote contract of carriage

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: are it's over thirty thousand words that you accept whenever

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01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: you buy a ticket. It's a lot there's a lot

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01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: of stuff in there says what the airlines can do

1101
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: and says what your rights are. Now where this gets

1102
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: a bit shady on the part of the airlines is

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: that they don't want people to know that, in fact,

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Speaker 1: you're entitled to I think it's yeah, one thousand, three

1105
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars four times the price of a ticket,

1106
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 1: or one thousands, three and fifty dollars of the cap.

1107
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: If they can't get you, if they bump you, and

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: you can't get to your next destination within a few hours.

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01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: This raises an interesting question. Why is that by regulation?

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01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: Why is that capped? Why can't it be whatever they

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01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: have to pay somebody to get them to give up

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01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: their seat. At at some point in an open auction

1113
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: format here, Uh, at some point they would be able

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01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: to pay someone enough money that they would take a

1115
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: later flight. I don't think any of us believe that

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01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: if there's a hundred seats on a plane and you

1117
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: start offering a thousand dollars of maybe it's maybe it's

1118
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: just flights you're offering, but a thousand dollars of flights,

1119
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: flights whatever it may be, that someone's not gonna say,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll go. So that the cap strikes me

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01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: as artificial. Um, I want to know why there is

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01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: that cap in the first place, because if this is again,

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Speaker 1: this is where you start to see is it free

1124
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: market or is this the airlines getting more leverage through

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01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: regulation and law than the passengers? Do you know? Don't

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01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: tell me that that's what the market will bear, when

1127
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: in reality, they're are decisions that have been made by

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: regulators and others about what the market will bear. So

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01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: thirteen or fifty dollars is the is the maximum here?

1130
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: They didn't want to They didn't want to go above

1131
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: eight hundreds. Well, when we go back and look at

1132
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: this incident which has captured americans imaginations, uh and revulsion simultaneously,

1133
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: because we've all we all feel like we've been treated

1134
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: badly by airlines and we have no recourse. And there's

1135
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: something as an American that is that really bugs you

1136
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: about that. I mean, I guess we'll put up with

1137
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: it from the I R S because we have no choice.

1138
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: Right now, Come on, Trump, tax reform, What have you

1139
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: got for me? But you know, the the I R

1140
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: S in this country has way too much power and authority,

1141
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: and it's a scandal and a disgrace that they're allowed

1142
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: to do many of the things that they do. And

1143
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: also the tax codes over seventy thousand pages. And I

1144
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: know I'm going off on a little bit of a

1145
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: rant here, but keep in mind that just as the

1146
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: airline police will come and get you if you don't

1147
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: give up the seat that you've paid for, that has

1148
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: your seat number on it, that has your name on it,

1149
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: that you've been preparing, perhaps for a whole day, because

1150
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: the stupid airlines require to get there so far in advance.

1151
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: Now because of the security, the stupid security regulations, we

1152
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: have all this stuff that we deal with the same

1153
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: way that the airport police can show up and drag

1154
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: you out of your seat if you don't if you

1155
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: don't pay your taxes. If if you were a conscientious

1156
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: objector under the Constitution to paying your paying your Obamacare

1157
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: Uh penalty or is it a tax? Oh? No, it's

1158
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: a penalty. What depends on the day that Supreme Courts

1159
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: reading it, because they change back and forth. But if

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: you refused to pay that, maybe there's a provision they

1161
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: can'tctually rest you over that. I think there actual might be.

1162
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know what I'm saying. If you

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: refused to pay your taxes, I promise you people with

1164
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 1: guns would show up and take you out of your home.

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01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter that your family is there, it doesn't matter

1166
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: if you're having a meal, doesn't matter if your kids

1167
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 1: are crying. They'll take you from your home and lock

1168
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: you up. And that's because you're not paying the confiscatory

1169
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: tax rates that are currently prevailing in this country for

1170
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: those of us who earn enough income to pay taxes.

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01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: It's it's it's an outrage and a scandal in the

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01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: progressive tax code that we have is actually not really progressive,

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01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: if you want to take if you want to take

1174
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: the discussion there, because it's not based on wealth, it's

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01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: based on earnings. Well, you know, you could have one

1176
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: really good year of earnings and not be wealthy at all.

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01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: You could also be worth twenty million dollars and have

1178
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: very little an income, especially income that's not tax at

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01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: the rates of normal income, which means that you escape

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01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: the And this is why the Nancy Pelosi is in

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01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: the world like, oh, you know, have to pay more taxes.

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01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: But of course she doesn't pay more taxes, but they'd

1183
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: like to brag about these things. Oh you know, I

1184
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: would pay more taxes, but people with guns will show

1185
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: up and and arrest you. I saw that. Jeff Sessions.

1186
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: This was a story up on Fox News earlier today.

1187
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: They're making a Department of Justice maybe making a move

1188
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: away from a focus on white collar crop uh prosecuting

1189
01:07:54,680 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: white collar crime aggressively, to focus on violent crime. Should

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: this be uh surprising or puzzling to anybody at all?

1191
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: The fact that you have anybody who's guilty of of

1192
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: a financial crime, whether a low level fraud, insurance fraud, UH,

1193
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: writing fake checks and whatever. It may be the fact

1194
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: that anybody like that is in the same facility as

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01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: somebody who's you know, on or somebody who has been

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01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: convicted of a violent crime a gang member. To me,

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: that's something we need to reassess as a society. Um.

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01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: I don't think that people that commit nonviolent crime should

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Speaker 1: even be in the same facility as those who commit

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01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: violent crimes. But again I digress back to United. So

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01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: this is what happens. You just you start to see

1202
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: the injustice of United and it reminds you of the

1203
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: injustices you deal with in your day to day life.

1204
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: And that is why it has so much residence, because

1205
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: you know it's not fair, you know it's not right.

1206
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: You know you're being taken advantage of, and you have

1207
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: no recourse. Uh. In a sense, United is like the

1208
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: federal government without the elections that at least make us

1209
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: think things. Maybe we'll get better TB D by the way,

1210
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: we'll see. Um. But the the profits, as I told

1211
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: you yesterday for the airlines, are quite strong. They're doing

1212
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: just fine. This is not about trying to keep it,

1213
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: you know, keep themselves afloat or keep themselves in the

1214
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: sky whatever. This is a a an instance where corporate

1215
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: power and I would want to know what the ways

1216
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: are that we can we can push it back near

1217
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:30,480
Speaker 1: the direction. But where corporate power allows a major company

1218
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: to abuse its customers without without any consequences. Really it is.

1219
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: It is monopolistic in its functioning. If not monopolistic definitionally speaking,

1220
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: it certainly functions like a monopoly with regard to the

1221
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: fact that how many look, I'm taking a United flight

1222
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: a few weeks I already bought the take you weeks ago.

1223
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: What what am I? What am I gonna do? I'm

1224
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know what, I'm not. I am not

1225
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: flying United ruined my travel plans. Well, I'm gonna take

1226
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: a I'm gonna take a a canoe. I'm gonna I'm

1227
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: gonna hop in a sailboat. I mean, if I'm gonna

1228
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,839
Speaker 1: go overseas, I guess what, I probably gotta take a plane.

1229
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can try to find another carrier. But

1230
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: then you get into the whole problem with well, is

1231
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: that carrier gonna be so much better? Is there some

1232
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: airline out there that's just waiting to give me big,

1233
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: comfortable seats and treat me like a human being and

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01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: uh not take advantage of me at the first opportunity,

1235
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 1: whether it's checking a bag. Where for me the change

1236
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: fee is that that's the change fee is just too much.

1237
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: I that that I can the dude cannot abide the

1238
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: change fee. It drives me insane because there they just

1239
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: know they've got you, because flying is unlike other parts

1240
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: of the economy, and that you have very limited options,

1241
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: and they know that. You know, flying is like being

1242
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: stuck uh with only the the restaurant in your hotel

1243
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: to eat it. That is never gonna be a happy

1244
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: circumstance for you. All of a sudden, that cheeseburger that

1245
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: would be better served as a hockey part cost you

1246
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: twenty five bucks, and you're like, it's not even good,

1247
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,799
Speaker 1: But I have no choice. That that's why the airlines

1248
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 1: get away with what they do. And I wish I

1249
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: could say that I would think that there'd be some

1250
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: change that would come from all of this, But no, no,

1251
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: we're all gonna be stuck in those giant, flying, loud,

1252
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 1: metal tubes, surrounded by people coughing, tiny uncomfortable seats, paying

1253
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: for bad food if we even decide to eat the food,

1254
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: breathing in the recycle. There. It's like, I think flying

1255
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: can be a form of torture, But all right, there

1256
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: you have it. That's my sense of the United that's

1257
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: where I want to say I'm united. Um, and I'm

1258
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to do some re accommodation memes. Those will

1259
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: be coming up later. If you want to see them.

1260
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll put them on Facebook dot com slash Buck Sexton.

1261
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: We'll see. Maybe I'll go to home depot. I don't

1262
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: know if I have enough time. We have Felix in

1263
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 1: Allentown on w A E B. What's up Felix? Hey, Buck,

1264
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: Shi'll tie, She'll tie. Hey. You know, if I'm on

1265
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: the jury, I'm giving him a hundred million dollars. That

1266
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: seems like a lot, But I understand what you're saying.

1267
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: You know what, No, this is a This is a

1268
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: place where I think people do need to take a standing,

1269
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: boycott them or whatever. Because I heard a pilot on

1270
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: another show. I'm gonna call this guy at clown. You

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Speaker 1: know he had to. He had the audacity to say

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Speaker 1: that it's a privilege for us to fly. Okay, who

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01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: pays your paycheck? Yeah? I mean this. It's like I

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,839
Speaker 1: said with the restaurant. I mean, restaurant is private property.

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01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: The manager could come out at some point and say

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01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: that you're being disruptive. You have to leave just because

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01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 1: the manager feels like it. But that would be unfair

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01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: and nasty treatment, and people would be pretty upset the differences.

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: Of course, with a restaurant, you have other options. With

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: a flight with an airline, you may not. Well, he

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: was being disruptive because he was being asked to leave

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01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: the seat that he paid for. And you know, there's

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01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: a lot of phobia is attached to flying and being

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01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: in a you know, in a distant place. You're not home,

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: someone's gonna make you get off the airplane and uh,

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01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, you're not at home where you have your

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01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,759
Speaker 1: car or anything like that. Different people react to that differently.

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01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 1: And maybe for this guy that caused a panic attack,

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01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, and this past quote unquote criminal record that

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01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: has no bearing on this incident. And not only that

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01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: on that topic. I know, if a doctor, my mother's doctor,

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 1: went to prison over pain killers, a doctor who was conscientious,

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01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, compassionate force patients, and somehow he got in

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: trouble for over over prescribing pain medication. This was back

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01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands when they started changing a

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01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: lot of the guidelines. You know, this man took care

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01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: of my family and everyone. Everyone loved this guy. Oh,

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, I know the d e A uh decides

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: without without the medical community getting to weigh in what

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: the what the regulations are or what the thresholds are

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: for suspicious uh prescription drug activity, and they get long sometimes.

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01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: Uh So I know all about that. In fact, I've

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01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: had some conversations with people on the law enforcement side

1304
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: when they tell me that sometimes that there are cases

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01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: where doctors are prescribing what's what is medically necessary, but

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01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: it runs a foul of one of the d e A.

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01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that they can make a criminal case successfully,

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: but the d e A will investigate based on that,

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01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: and that's that's concerning, you know. I mean, I personally

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01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: had an injury when I was seventeen years old. I

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01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: actually listened to the Marine Corps and I got shot

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01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: with going deer hunting. And I've had pain that you know,

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01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: has been with me my whole life and for a while,

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01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, going back down, there were times I thought

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01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: about committing suicide over the pain, just to get rid

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01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: of it. And you're saying this doctor that was trying

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01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: to help you was the one that got in trouble. No, no, no,

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01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,759
Speaker 1: this this was something that my mother was was seeing,

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01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, but he got in trouble over over a

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01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: pain you know, pain medication issue. He went to prison

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: over it. Actually, well the Felix. Unfortunately, we gotta leave

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: it there for now. But thank you for calling in

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: because we're at the end of the hour here and

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01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined by a guest in just a

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01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: few minutes. Talk to you about Jeff Sessions on immigration.

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01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: That's a fight that's getting reignited. And just wait for

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01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 1: the media action to that one. That would be interesting.

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: Got our friend Matt Welch online everybody. He is editor

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01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,799
Speaker 1: at large of Reason magazine. You can hear his latest

1330
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: at Reason dot com. He's also co author of the

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01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: book The Declaration of Independence, How Libertarian Politics can Fix

1332
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: What's wrong with America Some libertarian time And Mr Well,

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01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: it's good to have you, sir, dude. Thank you for

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01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: having me on your show. This is the first time

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01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: I think I've been on the New Digs. Oh yeah,

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01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: the Big the Big Show. Thank you, sir. Great to

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01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: have you for the for the Big Show. And it's

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 1: great to be here. Yeah, I appreciate it. So let's

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: let's let's beat up on United together. For a while,

1340
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: shall we It'll be kind of fun. First, you you

1341
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: had one of the passengers spoke last night about what

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01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: he saw and what happened. Let's just play that too.

1343
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: Initial security police officers that came on the plane, they

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01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: tried to reason with the man. They're real calm, you know.

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01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: They went about it um and that's in a good way,

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01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: and he was just what not reason with him? He

1347
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: was committed to not getting off the plane. Was he

1348
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: violent in any way that you saw when the third

1349
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: officer came on, that was the one that ultimately removed him.

1350
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: He was. He was yelling at them. He was trying

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: to fend them off the best he could. You know,

1352
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: I guess he felt like he had to do whatever

1353
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: he could to stay on the plane. He wasn't hitting

1354
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: the officers, but he was kind of wailing his arms

1355
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: and trying to keep them away from him, and ultimately

1356
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: had they had to use the force. As you can

1357
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: see in the video, it was it was wild enough

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01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: that they pulled this man off. You know, he was

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01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: unconscious when they pulled him off the plane. And in

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01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: between him being pulled off, the United Staff but they

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01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 1: came on the plane, they were berated by the passengers

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01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: on the plane, as you can imagine. So there we

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01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: have it, a debacco for United described in detail by

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01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: an eyewitness, Matt Well, how did we get to this point?

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01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: You know? It's when there is a calculation made that

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01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: the price of of of possibly getting yourself into a

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01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: situation that could end like this, the fraction of the

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01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: possibility that it can go totally para shaped on you

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01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: is not really worth bumping up the extra value on

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: the Hey, please get off our plane for you know,

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01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: maybe nine instead of eight hundred dollars um. That's how

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Speaker 1: Ultimately it's in a broad kind of competition sense. We've

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01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 1: got five airlines in this country, right, if we had fifty,

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01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: if we had fifteen, if Richard Branson could compete in

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01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: this country, and he cannot, and he cannot because both

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01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: left and right are stupid in this country, not just dumb,

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01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: but you bid, like give four syllables on it. Excuse me,

1378
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: because they don't they They the left believes that the

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01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: only way that we can keep proper American jobs is

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: that we don't have Richard Branson owning an airline or

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01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: owning the airline that handles a route in between two

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01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: domestic places, and the right is like national security, national

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01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: security terrorists. And the net result is that there is

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01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: more freedom and competition and consumer choice in socialist Europe

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01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 1: then there is in the United States. And that has

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: been true for more than a decade. Even though the

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01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: United States back in the nineteen seventies in a great

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01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: libertarian victory led by a lot of liberals of my

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01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: bad too, including even Ralph Nader and Teddy Kennedy and

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01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: some other people played starring roles in this um we

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01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: lead the world in the regulation in the seventies. We

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01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: have lost the plot, and so we don't allow foreigners

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01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: to buy airlines in this country. And so that's one

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01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: of the main reasons why we only have five airlines,

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01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: and we only have five airlines. When you're going on

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: Kayak and Expedia trying to get for me to be

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01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: you might hate United, and I've hated United my entire

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01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't life. They're terrible, They're monsters. You still gotta

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01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: fly United a couple of times a year, even if

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01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: you don't want to. I'm I'm I'm sitting here trashing

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01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm flying United in a few weeks. I hope that

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01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: I'll listen to the show and but me from my flight,

1403
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: although if they do, I'm going down fighting. But yeah,

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01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: I have to say I find it because also, by

1405
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: the way, that guy is getna get a huge check,

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01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: as we all know. Now, Um, but are you really

1407
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: you're telling me that actually how I'm thinking about? You're right? Yeah.

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01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: In Europe, you know, you can fly from London to

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01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: Dusseldorf on some of these budget carriers for for the

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01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 1: price of veener schnitzel. Yes. Um, I mean if you,

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01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: if any of you out there listening have a that

1412
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 1: friend who moved to London, even temporarily, you will recognize

1413
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: that that friend is the most irritating person. You know.

1414
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 1: Why not just because they developed a little bit of

1415
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,759
Speaker 1: the British accent, which is super annoying because we're Americans.

1416
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: We don't talk that way. Um, But on their Instagram,

1417
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 1: on their Facebook everywhere, they're like, oh here I am

1418
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: in Malta, Oh here I am in Greece. I went

1419
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 1: here for thirty nine euros this weekend. Because in London especially,

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01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 1: but also and basically every single capital in Europe, you

1421
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: have these cheap, low budget, low cost airlines playing in

1422
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: a Standstead and these godforsaken airports in London. You can

1423
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 1: get everywhere. And that's because as part of the deal

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01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: of integrating the EU and and all that business, which

1425
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: is something that American conservatives always forget because it's easier

1426
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: to make fun of. You know, the thirty nine rules

1427
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: that governed in the shape of a banana um is

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: that all these European countries that used to have Air

1429
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: e Talia and used to have Swiss Air and all

1430
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: these kinds of things. Part of the price of integration

1431
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: was you no longer get your national airline, or at

1432
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: least you don't get to subsidize it. And we're gonna

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01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: open up this competition. You realize most of Europe, most

1434
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: European countries have privately run airports. We don't. We've got

1435
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: like one out in the stick somewhere we don't know.

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01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: We have these uh on strocity is one of the

1437
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,759
Speaker 1: things that I agree about with Donald Trump the most.

1438
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 1: And there that's not a long list, that Laguardi is

1439
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: the airport that a small third world country should have

1440
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: after a major war. Because yes, it's true, absolutely three

1441
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: thousand percent true, and it's a shame. And if you

1442
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: go anywhere in the world, including Moscow, that much better airports.

1443
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: All these crap whole Central European airports that I used

1444
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: to go to in the nineties are all better than

1445
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 1: almost every airport we have here. Because we haven't, we've

1446
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: lost the plot of hey, maybe having some private capital

1447
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: and ownership around here is actually useful. Hold on a second,

1448
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: Milton Friedman, how do you how do we make this better?

1449
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: What's the Because I I read about the deregulation, but

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01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: then I also read about capped fees for seats. It's like, well,

1451
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,520
Speaker 1: we deregulated, but seems like there's a lot of regulations

1452
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 1: about flying and they're not the kind of regulations that

1453
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: benefit passengers. So how do we have more competition? Because

1454
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 1: people were saying they're gonna boycott United. Yeah, right, wait

1455
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: until you get that invitation to go to your college roommates,

1456
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: you know, wedding or whatever, or and all of a

1457
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: sudden you're gonna be flying United. Well, hopefully that this

1458
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: episode will wave away or put pressure on the capped

1459
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 1: fees on how much you can bribe passengers to to

1460
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: get off your plane, which will put downward pressure on

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01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: the notion of it you can just overbook all the time,

1462
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: because what are they going to do because you can

1463
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: always pull them off using a cop Hopefully that will

1464
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: can go away a little bit. But ultimately you need

1465
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: real competition, and to do that, you've got to lift

1466
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: the cap. You can't if you're a foreigner. If you're

1467
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: Richard Branson, who's like an international capitalist one should be

1468
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: proud of he can only own twenty four of the

1469
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: US airline. And that's why ultimately Virgin Americans sold to

1470
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 1: Alaska last year is because they're sick of the hassles.

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01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: They're sick of trying to get uh, you know, the

1472
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: entrenched players to approve it. If they flew between point

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01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: A point b uh, that's got to say so so airline.

1474
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: So this is my without even knowing that much about

1475
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: the airline industry, which I'm emitting on air, but just

1476
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: with knowing the way they operate, there has to be

1477
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: a are Tel effected play here. I mean, there have

1478
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: to be de facto monopolies because nobody can treat their

1479
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: customers this badly and get away with it, correct Um.

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01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: I mean the cartel arrangement is what we had from

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01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: the advent of the airline industry in the nineteen twenties

1482
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: and thirties until deregulation in the mid seventies. There's four

1483
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: airlines and they were the same airlines that had more

1484
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: or less the same market share. Well, okay, we deregulate,

1485
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: and companies like Southwest get in there and help jimmy

1486
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 1: everything open. And they're great. And they're still great. I

1487
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: love Southwest. I wish I could fly them more. Um.

1488
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: And so that leads to, uh, you know, a wave

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01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: of creativity. Uh, prices going down. We get some low

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01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: cost airlines here. But then they figure out, okay, we

1491
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: can play to Republicans by saying, hey, no, we can't

1492
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: let these foreigners own things here, like yeah, it's right man,

1493
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: nine eleven. Uh, And those same people can play to

1494
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: the unions saying, hey, look, you know those those foreign people,

1495
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,759
Speaker 1: they have different ideas about the importance of workplace safety

1496
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: in this kind of contrived nonsense. And so they started

1497
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: creating a series of rules, including after night eleven. In

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01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: addition to the creation of the whole kind of t

1499
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: s a super state, there was a huge government bailouts

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01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: that went to it, and bailouts by their nature just

1501
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: reward the people at the top and blunt the people

1502
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: at the at the bottom because they don't qualify for

1503
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: the bailout. Right. Um, so all of this contributes to

1504
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: this consolidation. You don't have competitors coming in. It's more

1505
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: difficult to be a small guy getting in there. And

1506
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: so the biggest single thing that we can do is

1507
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: just open it to competition. Let the damn foreigners come

1508
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: in and start airlines. To do this, we did lose

1509
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: the plot of of deregulation. We did the easy deregulation.

1510
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: But but everyone is canny in every industry. Um. You know,

1511
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: there's a reason why true free market people are not

1512
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: pro business their pro competition. There's a huge difference. Um.

1513
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: We want businesses to fail when they deserve to. United, boy,

1514
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: it's been a fun day to watch them fail. I

1515
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: wish they had a bigger oportunity to fail more because

1516
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: they deserve it. You better be careful, man, they're going

1517
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: to reaccommodate you. My god, have they introduced some good

1518
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: words in the leg. Yeah, to be to be reaccommodated. Man,

1519
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: that day when terribly I got I got reaccommodated. It's

1520
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: like you could just you could just go with this

1521
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: all the time being reaccommodated as is now part of

1522
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: the lexicon the way. I don't think they thought it

1523
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: would be. By the way, I liked your suggestion that

1524
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: I saw before that if you're going to make the uh,

1525
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: the brutal tyrant comparison, go with so we can all

1526
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: stop ever invoking Hitler for our purposes. Go with this

1527
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,759
Speaker 1: slightly slightly vague tyrant. You know, chow sesku is a romania.

1528
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a pretty good option. Actually, I

1529
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: mean it's not. Ask doesn't have blood on his hands.

1530
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: I mean he was a real awful human being in

1531
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: many ways has some similarities with the North Koreans now

1532
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: and what everybody you know, it's you want some variety

1533
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: in there. And my other main suggestion besides the original suggestion,

1534
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: which is don't do it the idiot um is uh.

1535
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: He's put in the phrase literally worse then, because I

1536
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: think that really kind of a yeah. Whenever you say that,

1537
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: it means it means not, it means you're about to

1538
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: You're you're about to make a make a booboo, you're

1539
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: about to make a stumble. It's not not good to

1540
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: be literally worse than and you insert Hitler in there.

1541
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: That's never good. Also, I think it's interesting that that

1542
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 1: Stalin is not a comparison that people go for more often.

1543
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 1: I think there's somehow in the popular conception of Stalin

1544
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: not a true appreciation for what a monster he really was.

1545
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 1: I think people think of Stalin is like a bad

1546
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: guy who led the Soviet Union, didn't realize that he

1547
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: was a guy who was ordering the liquidation of millions

1548
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: of people. That that some somehow he doesn't get that

1549
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 1: the rap that some of the other ones. I mean,

1550
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: even even going like you know, Paul pop people like,

1551
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's the worst. But Stalin somehow escapes this.

1552
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: And I think it's because the left still has some

1553
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: fondness for Stalin. I'm just putting it out there. I

1554
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: think it's also because for some reason, he has become

1555
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: m a term to describe architecture stalin esque. If you

1556
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: just google it right now, you're going to see forty

1557
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 1: five examples, including the huge uh Kasta Popula or whatever

1558
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: it's called in Bucharest, Romania, that Scoop build, which is

1559
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: the second or third largest building in the world, depending

1560
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: on where you put it next to the pentagon. Um.

1561
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 1: These are Stalinists, right, So these large horrifying uh kind

1562
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: of gray cements, nightmare buildings. Uh, it needed an adjective

1563
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: that actually became stalin and so they became associated much

1564
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: more with that than the famines that he deliberately engineered

1565
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: in Ukraine, for example. I think there's less legacy kind

1566
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: of uh sense on the left that he was ever

1567
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: worth a damn um. I think that that energy has

1568
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: transferred to Shay. I gotta tell you. I mean, I'm

1569
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: talking to you from Brooklyn yesterday or Friday, I should say,

1570
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: my third grade uh daughter. They were having their day

1571
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: where you dressed up as a famous historical character and

1572
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 1: you have a big poster uh there that you make

1573
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: in that sort of interactive art project and the parents

1574
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: come up and they get to ask the kids, oh

1575
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: so who are you? And my thought it was Mary

1576
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 1: Curry and you know, like discovered radium and all that stuff.

1577
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm pretending like, I know, how old are your daughter?

1578
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 1: She was Mary Marie Curry. That's like, yeah, you know,

1579
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: what's what we're saying. I'm impressed that. I mean Mary.

1580
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: People listen here in Arrow like, oh yeah, I remember

1581
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: Mary Currey we gotta google that though real quick. Hey,

1582
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: you know what they they pushed the there's five Mary

1583
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: curious there. So it wasn't look I mean, I'm going

1584
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna too. I don't remember that much about it,

1585
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: but go ahead. You were saying, well, one of the

1586
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 1: kids there and then thankfully it was just one in

1587
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: a Brooklyn public school was Shakyvara. So I think that's

1588
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: where um, And as a kid sending right next to

1589
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King think it's like, you know what, those

1590
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: those two things are not like each other. Um. They're

1591
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how and why. Um. But so

1592
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: there's still some residual romanticism of little pockets of big communism.

1593
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't think there's actual romanticism for Stalin anymore. And

1594
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: remember Chris Jeff as soon as he came to power,

1595
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, Stalin went way too far. A couple

1596
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: quick things on this mat. One is why don't we

1597
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: all call him Jay Gavara? Chay means dude, why don't

1598
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: we just call him and Ernesto Gavara, right, because that

1599
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: would be what his name was. I think considered we

1600
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: all call him Chay. The same thing with Stalin. We

1601
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: should just call him Joseph juga Vili instead of Man

1602
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: of Steel, which is Stalin. That's an honorific. I don't

1603
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: want to call this guy that he was. He was

1604
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: really bad, really bad, dude, I think it was. It

1605
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: was one of the Gaddess books where they talk about

1606
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 1: Stalin had a parrot that Stalin used to walk back

1607
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: and forth in his office, uh in a in a

1608
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: kind of a manic fashion, and he would as walking

1609
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 1: back and forth, he would stop and spit. Sometimes he

1610
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: got in this habit and he saw the parrot would

1611
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: mimic it. I don't know, I mean this, this might

1612
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: be apocryphal, but the parrot would mimic it. And he

1613
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: saw the parrot mimic him once when he did this,

1614
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: and he reached in and grabbed it and crushed his head.

1615
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: That's all I mean. If that's true, that's all you

1616
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 1: need to know about that guy. And it's like Joe

1617
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: Paschi except with the good Fellows, except little bit more power.

1618
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: Um No, you're right. We we shouldn't give into these honorifics.

1619
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: At the same time, you have to sort of exceed

1620
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 1: to popular usage. So like you know, I understand when

1621
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: people get upset about people who say the prophet Mohammed,

1622
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 1: dude's not my prophet. I don't have to call him

1623
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, but there are a lot of Mohammed's

1624
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: and you need to specify, let's be honest there, Okay.

1625
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of yoshkus in uh in the

1626
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: various Slavic tribes as well. So his name is is shay.

1627
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,799
Speaker 1: I think it's better just to remind people he murdered

1628
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: people in the service of a totalitarian ideology that totally failed.

1629
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Didn't he also? Wasn't he also part of the Cuban regime?

1630
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: They were weren't they rounding up gay people? Wasn't there

1631
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: actually explicit targeting homosexuals? Am I missing something? You're not

1632
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: missing anything in Cuba, where I've spent some time and

1633
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: actually tried to move in for a while. Um, they

1634
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: had what might be referred to as camps for the gays. Uh.

1635
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 1: And in addition to you know, the Beatles were banned

1636
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: and long hairs were rested for having long hair. Um,

1637
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: gays are put in camps until the eighties, until the

1638
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: late eighties. Yeah, the check of our t shirts still

1639
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: still the kids are still learning him all right, Matt Weltch,

1640
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: We we've gone along. Matt Welch everybody is Editor at

1641
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: Large of Reason Magazine. Check out his latest on Reason

1642
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: dot com. Follow him on Twitter. Great guy, Matt, Good

1643
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: to have you come back soon. Thank you. Buck Sexton. Yeah.

1644
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: I like to get people that are in some of

1645
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 1: the stories we talked about to come on the show

1646
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,440
Speaker 1: whenever I can. I don't just mean newsmakers and politicians.

1647
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean those who are parts of organizations or can

1648
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: speak from a first person perspective on the issue. And

1649
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 1: I would tell you we we had booked a member

1650
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 1: of Dumbledore's Army from the Harvard Kennedy School of Government,

1651
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 1: which is an anti Trump online community organizing seminar. I

1652
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: don't know what we call it exactly, but it's it's

1653
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: community organizing political organizing for anti Trump college students about

1654
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: how to resist Trump's I don't know if they would

1655
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: say fascism, but I suppose that's the Well, these are

1656
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 1: the questions I was gonna ask, you know, do you

1657
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: guys think Trump is a fascist? And let's and they

1658
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: then there was there were two different people who are

1659
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: both booked to come on. At first, they want to

1660
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 1: come on together. So no, no no, no, it's the radio show.

1661
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: We can't have three people shouting over each other or

1662
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 1: anything like that. And I want not that I would shout.

1663
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 1: I would have asked very polite questions. I view the

1664
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Freedom HUD as my home, and when I invite people

1665
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: into my home, I don't agree with them necessarily and

1666
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily support their ideas at all, but I

1667
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: will at least treat them with respect as long as

1668
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: respect is given in return. And that was my plan.

1669
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 1: And so we had a couple and these are grad students,

1670
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: these aren't undergrads. It's people in their mid twenties, not

1671
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: that much younger than me. We're gonna have them on,

1672
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: and they both very very very late in the game

1673
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: decided not to come on this show. UM. And I

1674
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 1: just bring it up because I don't want you to

1675
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: think that I am in any way unwilling to hear

1676
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: out some members of the left on whatever it is

1677
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: the issue of the day that we're talking about. Um,

1678
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: it's I'm happy to have them, happy to debate the

1679
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: issues and discuss with them, but it is tough, especially

1680
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 1: when some of them see I suppose my work and

1681
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: background they don't really want to come on the show

1682
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 1: unless it's just talking points nonsense people and you know,

1683
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: like the ones that go on over it, MSNBC and

1684
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: some the other, and then we're not gonna have a

1685
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 1: productive discussion. Although I guess we could just have it

1686
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Speaker 1: out on the air and see who see who wins

1687
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: the argument as much as it can be one when

1688
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: you're just talking past and through each other instead of

1689
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: about an actual issue. But I tried. I just wanted

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01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: to know. I tried. We're gonna have some a couple

1691
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: of people from Dumbledore's Army, We're gonna have them on,

1692
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 1: and in the last minute that they didn't want to join.

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01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: Um My, I was just gonna ask them questions. As

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01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: I said, this is my home and I'm respectful to

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01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 1: anybody that I invite to my home. I wasn't. I'm

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01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: not gonna call any of names. You know, the other

1697
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: hosts like to call people idiots or dumb or anything.

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01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like to do that, uh, certainly

1699
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: not to not to anybody that I've invited on the show.

1700
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pretend like I'm not gonna call Nancy

1701
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:13,640
Speaker 1: pelosly dumb. Sometimes because I think she's dumbed sometimes. But

1702
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:16,320
Speaker 1: if she came on the show, I probably wouldn't tell

1703
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 1: her she's dumb out of respect because she's a sitting congresswoman. Um.

1704
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I I am looking occasionally to get some

1705
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 1: some leftists in the mix here. So we tried. My

1706
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,520
Speaker 1: advice to this Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University

1707
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: group would have been, I wouldn't start if you're in

1708
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: your mid twenties. I don't know if you want to

1709
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 1: compare your political movement to a series of uh novels

1710
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 1: about Wizard School, which I think is yeah, right that

1711
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: we could say that's a fair description of Harry Potter. Um.

1712
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,679
Speaker 1: And also leftists, if you're listening, you can call in

1713
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 1: if you want to be a guest, even we'll have

1714
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 1: you on sometime. We can have a civilized discussion where

1715
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I explain to you how you're wrong about everything, and

1716
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: then you come over to my side. It's not a

1717
01:34:56,280 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 1: not a problem. Welcome back into freedom on an island

1718
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: of liberty where you're the party and it's full of

1719
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: fellow patriots. Buck Sexton kicks it off the Trump agenda.

1720
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: If we were to pick three things that are at

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01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: the top of the list, maybe not the top three,

1722
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: but certainly three of the big ones. Um, it would

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01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: be repealing replace of Obamacare. It would be tax slash

1724
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: trade slash economy stuff, which I know I'm kind of

1725
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 1: cheating erics and folding a bunch of things into one,

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01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: but let's just go with it. And then of course immigration,

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01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: immigration issues, immigration enforcement. It's been a little bit bit

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01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: of a quiet on this front for a while. We

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01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: haven't heard all that much about immigration. And I think

1730
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: if we were to pick one issue that was responsible

1731
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: for Trump's rise to the front of the GOP pack

1732
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 1: back during the whole days of the primary, which feels

1733
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: like so long ago now, but of course it really wasn't,

1734
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 1: it would be immigration. That Trump saying that they need

1735
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: to build a wall, that it was no longer okay

1736
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 1: to just pay lip service to the building of a

1737
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 1: wall and pay lip service to secure borders, that you

1738
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: had to do stuff, take action, do things. That was

1739
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: to at least many Americans enough that it changed the

1740
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: calculus of well, who was going to win the presidential election. Um,

1741
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 1: that was important. That was something that Trump promised, and

1742
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: he has since continued to hit that note and to

1743
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: say that he's going to follow through. So today we

1744
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 1: have Attorney General Jeff Sessions down at the Arizona border

1745
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 1: and he made some interesting announcements about immigration enforcement and priorities.

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01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 1: Here to tell you, the brave men and women are

1747
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: the Customs and Board of Protection. We hear you, We

1748
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: hear your concerns. We have your back. Under the President's

1749
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: leadership and guided by his executive orders, we will secure

1750
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: this border and bring the full weight of both the

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01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: immigration courts and the federal enforcement and prosecutors to combat

1752
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 1: this attack on our national security and our sovereignty. It

1753
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: is not just the Democrats who have been willing to

1754
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: play games when it comes to border security and to

1755
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 1: leave our border agents in the lurch for doing their

1756
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 1: duty and for for trying to enforce the laws that

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01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: are supposed to govern entry into this country. In fact,

1758
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: if you go back and look into the case of

1759
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:57,719
Speaker 1: I believe it was Ramos and Campaillon to border agents

1760
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 1: during the Bush administration were put in a terrible position

1761
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: um by the Bush administration after a an exchange of

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01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 1: fire with a known drug smuggler, and I believe they

1763
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: were facing many years in federal prison and then Finally,

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01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the Bush administration, they their sentences

1765
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 1: were commuted. Um. But the Bush administration was bad on

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01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: this issue. The obaministration was badness issue and and dishonest

1767
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: on top of that as well. Um, everyone's had enough.

1768
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: We see the way that other countries are allowed to

1769
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: enforce their laws about immigration, their laws about uh, naturalization, citizenship,

1770
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: all of it without the accusations and all the allegations

1771
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: um of racisms in a phobia being closed minded and

1772
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 1: closed off the rest of the world. They they want

1773
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 1: other countries wanted orderly, at least the ones that in

1774
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 1: a position to try and enforce their borders, which many

1775
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 1: are not. But they want an orderly system for all

1776
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: of this as well. They're they're not just letting people

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01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: come in and and become citizens. And the kind of

1778
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 1: countries where you have a real desire for large numbers

1779
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 1: of immigrants to make it their home. Uh. Those also

1780
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:14,800
Speaker 1: tend to be places where there are state benefits and

1781
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: it becomes an economic issue. But Sessions is saying that

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01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: he's got the back of the border patrol here because

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01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 1: that I've spoken to border patrol about this in the past,

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01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 1: both current and former, and they said, you know, with

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01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 1: the obamaministration, you just you knew that if you were

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01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 1: too zealous in your enforcement of the law, meaning you

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01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: were abiding by what what was written and stated and

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01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,879
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be the policy, that you couldn't

1789
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 1: count on your superiors, and you certainly couldn't count on

1790
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:49,600
Speaker 1: the political winds in d C from shifting against you

1791
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: at the critical moment. Right if you found yourself in

1792
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 1: a in a gunfight with a drug smuggler and somehow

1793
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: things went bad, you couldn't expect that the aministration, whether

1794
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 1: this whether the Obama administration or the Bush administration, would

1795
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: when I have your back, and then also to send

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01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 1: people out to enforce the law and to then be

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01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: constantly in public as the Obama administration was undermine undermining

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01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 1: the very reasons for those laws. Oh you know, we

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01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: we we we should just we should legalize A lot

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01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 1: of people are in the country illegally. Well why are

1801
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 1: you what is that supposed to me? And how do

1802
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: you go about waking up every day and spending time

1803
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,520
Speaker 1: at the border which in some places feels like it's

1804
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: a combat zone. I know, based on the activities of

1805
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: the cartels and UH and the the paramility, the paramilitary

1806
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: weaponry that they have and the extreme and brutal violence

1807
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 1: of the cartels have been willing to use in recent

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01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: years and in over the last decade um. So Border

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01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: Patrol now has somebody in the White House well, of

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Speaker 1: course as a president, and also seen administration officials below

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01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: the President who are willing to say that yes, they

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01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 1: will have the border patrols back. That is new and

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01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: I've heard from Border Patrol that says that that is

1814
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 1: a change, and that means now that once you have

1815
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 1: the enforcement mechanisms supported and in place, now you can

1816
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: start to talk, well, what are the policies, how are

1817
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: we going to change those enforcement priorities going forward from

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01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:26,719
Speaker 1: what they were with the previous administration, and Attorney General

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01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 1: Sessions addressed that as well. For those that continue to

1820
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 1: seek improper and illegal entry into this country, be forewarned,

1821
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 1: this is a new era. This is the Trump era.

1822
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: The lawlessness, the abdication of duty to enforce our laws,

1823
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 1: and the cats and release policies of the past are over.

1824
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: The Trump era of border enforcement is upon us. According

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01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: to the Attorney General here, that will mean it should

1826
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 1: also be noted that when you talk about charging people

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01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: that have already been deported from the country with a

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01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:11,479
Speaker 1: felony for re entry. That is a question of prosecutorial

1829
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: policy as opposed to law, because my understanding is that already,

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01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 1: if you are deported and then you come back and

1831
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 1: are caught illegally entering the country, it's it's supposed to

1832
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: be a felony, but it's just not treated as such

1833
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: by the courts. There's also but I should check on that.

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01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 1: Don't take that to the bank just yet, but I'm

1835
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's correct. Um. The d o J is

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01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:37,639
Speaker 1: planning to add immigration judges over the next two years.

1837
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:41,639
Speaker 1: They're expediting the hiring process. So there are concrete steps

1838
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: that the Trump administration is taking so they can actually

1839
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 1: enforce the boarder and you can you can just see

1840
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 1: this now lining up left and right between the sanctuary cities,

1841
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 1: which I don't think the administration is going to back

1842
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: down on that. The effort to really secure of the border.

1843
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, Democrats and Republicans have been talking about

1844
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: how important it is to have border security for a

1845
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 1: long time. This is supposed to be a bipartisan area. Um,

1846
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 1: it's but it's really it's really something where the discussion

1847
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 1: melts away as soon as it comes up right, you know,

1848
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,560
Speaker 1: and really talks about it. It's like talking about reforming

1849
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 1: entitlements Republicans, and now I got oh and into a

1850
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: reform entitlements. That sounds like a great idea. Then well

1851
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:29,719
Speaker 1: should we what should we do? What what should we cut?

1852
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:31,720
Speaker 1: Or how do we change the policies? Should raise the

1853
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 1: retirement And then everyone just all of a sudden starts

1854
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 1: muttering and you know, okay, Well on the border, it's

1855
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 1: been much the same, much the same thing. And the

1856
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: way that this is going to I think of become

1857
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 1: a major political battle as the Democrats are going to

1858
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 1: realize very quickly here that Trump is serious about this

1859
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: and that this is a threat to their political power,

1860
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 1: which is the first and foremost they're concerned. Just as

1861
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 1: the primary concern and for Democrats when it comes to

1862
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: Syria is to find a way to bash Trump and

1863
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: his administration as opposed to actually helping Syrians. I think

1864
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 1: I think we've seen that with much of the media

1865
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: many prominent Democrats in d c um priority number one

1866
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:18,920
Speaker 1: is bash Trump. Party number you know, way way way

1867
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: down the list is to help Syrians in a meaningful way, um,

1868
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: with the border. It's much more about political power. That's

1869
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: not only a function of how they want to give amnesty,

1870
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: of course, but they used this as part of the

1871
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 1: appeal of identity politics the Democratic Party runs on, so

1872
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: by saying that they are pro amnesty, which the Democrats do.

1873
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 1: In fact, Hillary Clinton on her campaign website was saying

1874
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:49,759
Speaker 1: that she she wanted if she became president illegal immigrants,

1875
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: we're going to have access to Obamacare. She said, they

1876
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't get the subsidies. How long do you think that

1877
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 1: would have lasted? By the way, Well, we'll give them Obamacare,

1878
01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: but not the subsidies. Well, then you'll have people that

1879
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:02,439
Speaker 1: want to buy healthcare and legally are allowed to buy healthcare,

1880
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 1: but don't have the money to buy healthcare. Forget about

1881
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: the fact they're not even supposed to be the country

1882
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: in the first place. They would just turn on the

1883
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 1: turn on the money the money spigot, Uncle Sam, all

1884
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden, just throwing more taxpayer cash at people

1885
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: that are a at least on a temporary basis, a

1886
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 1: useful constituency for the Democratic Party. So that's what they

1887
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: would do there. Um. But they see that this is

1888
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 1: a question of votes, UM, and immigrants legal and illegal,

1889
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:36,480
Speaker 1: but particularly if you consider legalizing the illegal immigrant population

1890
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 1: in this country. The political power they I I think

1891
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 1: they believe that that that Hillary would become president and

1892
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 1: then they'd be in a position to push through the

1893
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: embassy that Obama startup, which I know is stalled in

1894
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 1: the courts now, but they would have found some other

1895
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 1: means of pushing through additional amnesties were just through enforcement priorities.

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Speaker 1: would have had, through the Democrats approach to immigration, a

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Speaker 1: American politics. That I think that was the plan. Um.

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Speaker 1: And then it would be and then it would be

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Speaker 1: all over UM. Then we would all just be fighting

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Speaker 1: over the size and scope of our Democrats socialism in

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Speaker 1: this country as opposed to same. Wait a second, Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's really a good idea. Everybody speaking

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Speaker 1: to a friend of mine older in the week who's

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Speaker 1: and just just singing Bernie Sanders praises and I just said,

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Speaker 1: you know, you really you want to pay seventy percent

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Speaker 1: of your incoming taxes? I mean, you want to go

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Speaker 1: with the Sweden model. You think that's you think that's

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Speaker 1: a good idea. They're gonna make you want to work harder.

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Speaker 1: I the the love that people have for for Sanders

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Speaker 1: is only possible if you don't ask the follow on questions.

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Speaker 1: So well, who pays for free college? Who pays for

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Speaker 1: free healthcare? Where does that come from? If it's just

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Speaker 1: free stuff and he gets to be this cuddly old

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Speaker 1: guy that gives you all the free stuff, well then

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Speaker 1: that's fine. But I know I'm talking about Bernie now

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Speaker 1: instead of immigration. Uh. This is the warning, by the

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Speaker 1: way to the cartels as well. I wonder if that's

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Speaker 1: going to have some uh some blowback, not that that

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Speaker 1: means he shouldn't do it. But session saying that they're

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Speaker 1: going to go after the cartels more and they're going

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Speaker 1: to enforce the laws more harshly on immigration. Uh. This

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Speaker 1: is an impact that what we felt, I think acutely

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Speaker 1: and quickly. Um. And things might get very interesting in

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Speaker 1: and around the border and also in areas of the

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Speaker 1: country where there's a major influx of and and continued

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Speaker 1: residency of illegal aliens. So we'll get into that in

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Speaker 1: some work. Oh what a surprise. The Russia Trump conspiracy

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Speaker 1: story is back. Everybody, look at that, just just when

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Speaker 1: it's so convenient to that. The timing of this is great. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You have a story about Carter Page, which I have

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Speaker 1: not been able to read in full yet. I just

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Speaker 1: saw it now in the Washington Post, um saying that

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Speaker 1: there was a counter and that there was counterintelligence surveillance

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Speaker 1: of of Carter Page. A former Trump aid, I will

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Speaker 1: this will obviously once I've read through it and gone

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Speaker 1: into some detail. We'll talk about this on the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So think of that as as a preview. And then

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Speaker 1: of course here well, I did have a chance to

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Speaker 1: read through CNN exclusive. Oh wait, I'm sorry, put a

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Speaker 1: put hit the hit the not actually the pause. This

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Speaker 1: is like Zach Morrison saved by the bell. He would

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Speaker 1: say time and he would call a time out and freeze.

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Speaker 1: Let me hit time for a second before I get

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Speaker 1: into the see an exclusive story. Understand that right now

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Speaker 1: you have Secretary of State Rex Teller sent in Moscow,

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Speaker 1: as I said, and he is demanding that Russia UM

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Speaker 1: back off from assisting Assad. He is going to be

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Speaker 1: pushing them on that issue. The administration, the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: has publicly accused Russia of covering up Assad's crimes against

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Speaker 1: humanity and the chemical weapons you should usage, has taken

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Speaker 1: a very strong stand on that issue publicly. Not this

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Speaker 1: is not just your rumors from senior officials somewhere being

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Speaker 1: reported a newspaper. This is official Trump administration stuff. Um.

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Speaker 1: And now we're gonna get stories about Trump Russia, of course,

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Speaker 1: about the conspiracy with Trump and Russia. Putent for for

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Speaker 1: a guy who is supposedly capable of InCred of hacking

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Speaker 1: the election, or having his minions hacked the election, of

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Speaker 1: incredible propaganda operations that could sway the minds of Americans.

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Speaker 1: Keep think of all the noise it's out for all

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Speaker 1: the different news channels and radio shows and social media

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Speaker 1: and everything else trying to convince people of one thing

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Speaker 1: or another. But yeah, Putin and his and his bot army.

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Speaker 1: They they managed to and a couple of hackers, they

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Speaker 1: changed the whole game. That's what we're told. Um, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to foresee that Trump wouldn't be quite so

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Speaker 1: pliable on policy matters, I guess. And so here we are.

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Speaker 1: So Trump is giving a harder time to the Russians

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Speaker 1: than Obama ever did on Syria, that much is for sure.

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Speaker 1: And yet there are stories that come out now from

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Speaker 1: the media, like this one from CNN dot Com. CNN

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Speaker 1: exclusive classified ducks contradict Nunez. I'm sorry, Nunez. Surveillance claims.

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Speaker 1: GOP and DEMN sources say, let me just read you

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Speaker 1: a bit from this, with the proviso that if this

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Speaker 1: is worth our time, we will spend more time on

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Speaker 1: it tomorrow. Quote. After a review of the same intelligence

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Speaker 1: reports brought to light by House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nonez,

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Speaker 1: both Republican and Democratic lawmakers and aides have so far

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Speaker 1: found no evidence that Obama administration officials did anything unusual

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Speaker 1: or illegal. Multiple sources in both parties tell CNN their

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Speaker 1: private assessment contradicts President Donald Trump's allegation that former Obama

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Speaker 1: National Security advisor Susan Rice broke the law by requesting

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Speaker 1: the unmasking of US individual's identities. Trump had claimed story

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Speaker 1: of the matter was a quote massive story. However, over

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Speaker 1: the last week, several members and staff of the House

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Speaker 1: and Senate Intelligence committees have reviewed intelligence reports related to

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Speaker 1: those requests at n s A headquarters in Fort Meade, Maryland.

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Speaker 1: One congressional intelligence source said they were quote normal and appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Um okay, uh want Trump to release this stuff. He's

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Speaker 1: the commander in CHIAP because we we need this to

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Speaker 1: be settled. We should know, people say, oh, box sources

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Speaker 1: and methods. Yeah, they can redact the sources and methods.

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Speaker 1: We we should know at some level. We can know

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Speaker 1: what what was in at least some of the content

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Speaker 1: of the calls if they can remove the people involved, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, because right now you've got members of Congress

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Speaker 1: that are by the way, they better come out and

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Speaker 1: tell us who these members of Congress are. I don't

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Speaker 1: like this anonymous, you know, anonymous using CNN to do

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Speaker 1: your fighting for you stuff. So we'll have to look

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Speaker 1: in this more tomorrow. This is from CNN. Clearly it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna do any favors for the Trump administration. I

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Speaker 1: will dig into this. I will also uh talk to

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Speaker 1: my sources and see what we can figure out about

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Speaker 1: the truth of this, because there they are straight up

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Speaker 1: CNN is straight up calling Newon as a liar here,

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Speaker 1: big fat liar, that's what they're saying. So we shall see.

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