1 00:00:06,026 --> 00:00:09,506 Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership 2 00:00:09,706 --> 00:00:18,386 Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. I was watching one of your 3 00:00:18,386 --> 00:00:22,306 Speaker 1: I G stories. Hey, beautiful people. Yes, that's not bad, right, 4 00:00:22,626 --> 00:00:24,826 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to bring I'm trying to 5 00:00:24,826 --> 00:00:28,106 Speaker 1: bring it like m Rob Yeah with you. It's NFL Explained. 6 00:00:28,106 --> 00:00:30,986 Speaker 1: It is a brand new edition of the show. You 7 00:00:30,986 --> 00:00:33,546 Speaker 1: know the feedback that we've been getting on our mail 8 00:00:33,626 --> 00:00:37,026 Speaker 1: bag episode and it's been pretty good, pretty positive. So 9 00:00:37,266 --> 00:00:40,346 Speaker 1: my d ms have been I keep getting more and 10 00:00:40,346 --> 00:00:44,826 Speaker 1: more questions and that's what And I had someone and 11 00:00:44,866 --> 00:00:47,026 Speaker 1: this is my badge for anyone who sent me a message, 12 00:00:47,026 --> 00:00:48,266 Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, we're gonna work it in. 13 00:00:48,386 --> 00:00:50,306 Speaker 1: And we didn't work it in because someone hit me 14 00:00:50,346 --> 00:00:51,906 Speaker 1: up and was like, yeah, I didn't hear my question. 15 00:00:52,186 --> 00:00:53,786 Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, my bad. So we 16 00:00:53,906 --> 00:00:56,026 Speaker 1: got so many of them that we're actually going and 17 00:00:56,066 --> 00:00:57,706 Speaker 1: I promise we're going to get to all the questions. 18 00:00:57,706 --> 00:01:00,306 Speaker 1: So if you did submit one to me and I respond, 19 00:01:00,346 --> 00:01:02,306 Speaker 1: because I do respond to everyone, trust me, we'll get 20 00:01:02,346 --> 00:01:04,346 Speaker 1: to those. But what we're trying to do is actually 21 00:01:04,426 --> 00:01:06,506 Speaker 1: take some of the questions and get a full episode, 22 00:01:06,506 --> 00:01:09,426 Speaker 1: which is exactly what this episode is all about. A 23 00:01:09,466 --> 00:01:13,346 Speaker 1: deep dive into equipment in the NFL, and for me, 24 00:01:13,386 --> 00:01:15,066 Speaker 1: I'm robbed. I guess I would start because like you 25 00:01:15,106 --> 00:01:17,146 Speaker 1: and I, I'll still say we're kind of young. We're 26 00:01:17,186 --> 00:01:21,586 Speaker 1: still kind of young man. So we we had you had. 27 00:01:21,586 --> 00:01:24,226 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say we like you had the benefit of 28 00:01:24,306 --> 00:01:27,226 Speaker 1: having a lot of modern technology. But anything that comes 29 00:01:27,266 --> 00:01:29,906 Speaker 1: to mind that either you wish you did have or 30 00:01:30,626 --> 00:01:33,626 Speaker 1: dudes when you were playing that we're older, said, man, 31 00:01:33,666 --> 00:01:36,066 Speaker 1: you like back in my day we had to walk 32 00:01:37,986 --> 00:01:40,626 Speaker 1: like one of those types of moments. Anything resonate. Um. 33 00:01:40,946 --> 00:01:44,586 Speaker 1: I guess everybody remembers, you know, Brian Cox, the big 34 00:01:44,666 --> 00:01:47,226 Speaker 1: neck roll or whatever. I played fullback, right, and so 35 00:01:47,386 --> 00:01:49,386 Speaker 1: I used to get a lot of stingers in my day, 36 00:01:49,466 --> 00:01:52,506 Speaker 1: and so yeah, neck roll. I had the little little nub. 37 00:01:52,586 --> 00:01:54,426 Speaker 1: It's like a little nub that kind of goes over 38 00:01:54,466 --> 00:01:58,146 Speaker 1: your name plate. It doesn't go outside of your jersey. 39 00:01:58,186 --> 00:02:00,706 Speaker 1: So I didn't look like a super big guy, but 40 00:02:00,746 --> 00:02:03,226 Speaker 1: I still looked strong and dominant. You still wanted to 41 00:02:03,226 --> 00:02:05,906 Speaker 1: look of a fullback and I was. I was. I 42 00:02:05,906 --> 00:02:07,826 Speaker 1: could have worn the vicest helmet. It's one of the 43 00:02:07,826 --> 00:02:10,746 Speaker 1: safest helmets on the market right now. It's expensive. But 44 00:02:10,946 --> 00:02:13,346 Speaker 1: just the technology of the glancing blow. I mean I 45 00:02:13,346 --> 00:02:15,466 Speaker 1: had an air helmet, and a lot of our football 46 00:02:15,586 --> 00:02:18,546 Speaker 1: enthusiasts know exactly with that is the only thing it 47 00:02:18,586 --> 00:02:20,626 Speaker 1: had was you just had a couple of holes, one 48 00:02:20,666 --> 00:02:22,626 Speaker 1: at the top, one in the back, and you just 49 00:02:22,666 --> 00:02:24,426 Speaker 1: had to pump air in it when you needed some air, 50 00:02:24,466 --> 00:02:26,706 Speaker 1: and you went on about your business. I've talked to 51 00:02:26,746 --> 00:02:29,386 Speaker 1: it a couple of guys that played well before you too, 52 00:02:29,386 --> 00:02:32,186 Speaker 1: and they would tell me that the shift in helmets 53 00:02:32,226 --> 00:02:35,146 Speaker 1: actually was something that they felt was in some ways 54 00:02:35,266 --> 00:02:37,706 Speaker 1: more safe, in other ways like not as comfortable either, 55 00:02:37,746 --> 00:02:39,826 Speaker 1: which surprised me because some of these dudes were like 56 00:02:39,866 --> 00:02:41,906 Speaker 1: to throw back, like you know, the really really thick 57 00:02:42,346 --> 00:02:44,506 Speaker 1: padding on the inside, and I'll say, you're a secret 58 00:02:44,586 --> 00:02:47,026 Speaker 1: Yeah all right, look man, alright, this is between me 59 00:02:47,066 --> 00:02:52,786 Speaker 1: and you, no one, all right. So that was two 60 00:02:52,826 --> 00:02:55,746 Speaker 1: thousand to two thousand three, maybe two thousand four. I 61 00:02:55,826 --> 00:02:58,026 Speaker 1: was at Penn State. We all had the air helmets. 62 00:02:58,026 --> 00:03:02,106 Speaker 1: It was nice and cool. Um I got knocked State. 63 00:03:02,226 --> 00:03:04,906 Speaker 1: You didn't know that. Um I got knocked out. We 64 00:03:04,906 --> 00:03:09,186 Speaker 1: were playing the Wisconsin Badger's Erasmus James unblocked first round 65 00:03:09,186 --> 00:03:12,266 Speaker 1: pick hit me boom knocked out right. I was out 66 00:03:12,266 --> 00:03:15,946 Speaker 1: for a few weeks, and I remember coach Paterno saying, hey, 67 00:03:16,026 --> 00:03:18,666 Speaker 1: rapits and you want to ride most explosive players, but 68 00:03:18,746 --> 00:03:22,266 Speaker 1: you can't wear that air helmet anymore. And I'm like, Joe, 69 00:03:23,146 --> 00:03:25,666 Speaker 1: what the hell you made? I can't wear my air helmet. 70 00:03:25,706 --> 00:03:28,106 Speaker 1: This is all I've known. I've won an air helmet 71 00:03:28,186 --> 00:03:30,826 Speaker 1: since I was probably eleven years old, not the same one, 72 00:03:30,866 --> 00:03:34,586 Speaker 1: but I've worned that brand of a helmet. He and he, 73 00:03:34,586 --> 00:03:36,106 Speaker 1: he made a mandate for me to go back in 74 00:03:36,106 --> 00:03:38,266 Speaker 1: the game. I had to wear the newer At that time, 75 00:03:38,466 --> 00:03:41,026 Speaker 1: it was a short helmet, it was big. It looked 76 00:03:41,026 --> 00:03:43,626 Speaker 1: like I had an extra played on top. And I 77 00:03:43,666 --> 00:03:46,026 Speaker 1: had the biggest helmet in all of college football. I 78 00:03:46,066 --> 00:03:48,626 Speaker 1: mean literally, I was the laughing stock. I just looked 79 00:03:48,626 --> 00:03:51,106 Speaker 1: like a bobblehead. But that was the only way I 80 00:03:51,146 --> 00:03:54,386 Speaker 1: could in Yams. I have a big hit. I can 81 00:03:54,426 --> 00:03:56,226 Speaker 1: say that because I do have a big head, right, 82 00:03:56,586 --> 00:03:59,626 Speaker 1: And so my helmet was already a large, extra large. 83 00:03:59,666 --> 00:04:02,386 Speaker 1: I had big pads, large if I had smaller pads. 84 00:04:02,466 --> 00:04:05,426 Speaker 1: And now I had this extra, this extra piece on 85 00:04:05,546 --> 00:04:07,946 Speaker 1: my helmet, and yeah, I was laughing stock in my 86 00:04:07,986 --> 00:04:10,026 Speaker 1: locker room for a little bit, but um I was 87 00:04:10,066 --> 00:04:15,506 Speaker 1: safe and uh yeah, man Bobblehead at quarterback got it done. Though, 88 00:04:15,866 --> 00:04:20,066 Speaker 1: I'm I'm envisioning like the shaking little bobble head running around. 89 00:04:20,186 --> 00:04:22,306 Speaker 1: It was so big. I hated it, but it did 90 00:04:22,346 --> 00:04:24,786 Speaker 1: protect me. I can't lie. It was lighter, it felt better, 91 00:04:24,826 --> 00:04:26,546 Speaker 1: and it took me a while to get used to it. 92 00:04:26,586 --> 00:04:29,826 Speaker 1: But yeah, alright, So I think it's probably a pretty 93 00:04:29,866 --> 00:04:31,706 Speaker 1: good place to start, because I think when you talk 94 00:04:31,786 --> 00:04:34,146 Speaker 1: about NFL football, one of the first things in equipment, 95 00:04:34,146 --> 00:04:36,026 Speaker 1: one of the first things you think about is certainly 96 00:04:36,426 --> 00:04:39,666 Speaker 1: the helmet, because it has definitely evolved throughout the years, 97 00:04:39,706 --> 00:04:40,906 Speaker 1: and a lot of that has to do with what 98 00:04:40,986 --> 00:04:43,626 Speaker 1: Emrod was just talking about, which is player health and safety. 99 00:04:43,626 --> 00:04:45,306 Speaker 1: But we gotta go all the way back, all the 100 00:04:45,346 --> 00:04:49,946 Speaker 1: way back to the beginning nineteen seventeen, seventy one, seven 101 00:04:50,306 --> 00:04:55,146 Speaker 1: one seven, So that's the ways to years ago. Yeah, 102 00:04:55,346 --> 00:04:59,466 Speaker 1: very different. University of Illinois head coach Bob Zupkey. He 103 00:04:59,626 --> 00:05:03,266 Speaker 1: designed the first leather helmets that the NFL used when 104 00:05:03,266 --> 00:05:05,466 Speaker 1: the league first started. A couple of years later in 105 00:05:05,546 --> 00:05:10,186 Speaker 1: nine team twenty. Really very protective leather helmets. Joe Paterno 106 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:12,906 Speaker 1: used to tell me after his high school games, they 107 00:05:12,986 --> 00:05:14,666 Speaker 1: used to fold up their helmet and put it in 108 00:05:14,666 --> 00:05:18,426 Speaker 1: their back pocket. I'm to tell you, man, I'm sorry 109 00:05:18,466 --> 00:05:21,146 Speaker 1: I had to say that. Can you imagine knowing someone 110 00:05:21,186 --> 00:05:23,586 Speaker 1: who like actually went and did that, You know what 111 00:05:23,586 --> 00:05:25,306 Speaker 1: I mean? I mean, I can't. I mean he used 112 00:05:25,306 --> 00:05:28,146 Speaker 1: to tell a story about Vince Lombardi playing against him 113 00:05:28,146 --> 00:05:31,546 Speaker 1: in high school and he used to fold up their helmet, like, dude. 114 00:05:31,586 --> 00:05:33,706 Speaker 1: The stories were crazy, especially when he has some jim 115 00:05:36,226 --> 00:05:38,586 Speaker 1: to mount Rushmore. You start thinking about those dude with 116 00:05:38,666 --> 00:05:41,026 Speaker 1: the leather helmet, the mount Rushmore of some of these 117 00:05:41,026 --> 00:05:45,706 Speaker 1: players um nineteen thirties actually brought the first iterations of 118 00:05:45,746 --> 00:05:49,226 Speaker 1: the face mask and plastic helmets. Although those face masks 119 00:05:49,226 --> 00:05:53,746 Speaker 1: weren't actually all that popular, the NFL mandated the use 120 00:05:53,786 --> 00:05:58,266 Speaker 1: of helmets rams running back Fred Gurkey. He would subsequently 121 00:05:58,346 --> 00:06:01,146 Speaker 1: give the NFL it's first logo when he paid in 122 00:06:01,266 --> 00:06:04,386 Speaker 1: horns on his own helmet for game in nineteen seven. 123 00:06:04,666 --> 00:06:07,106 Speaker 1: By the way, can you imagine a dude right now, 124 00:06:07,146 --> 00:06:09,986 Speaker 1: like we're getting into like uniform rules, like you can't 125 00:06:10,026 --> 00:06:13,746 Speaker 1: do stuff like that. You can't do anything. You're kidding me, man, 126 00:06:13,866 --> 00:06:15,506 Speaker 1: Hell with this, I don't got nothing on my helmet. 127 00:06:15,666 --> 00:06:19,466 Speaker 1: Let me just paint something on it, like, which is 128 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:21,986 Speaker 1: kind of cool, by the way, really cool side hustle 129 00:06:22,066 --> 00:06:25,346 Speaker 1: for Gurky. He ended up painting seventy five rams helmets. 130 00:06:25,666 --> 00:06:31,266 Speaker 1: He was paid a dollar each. World couldn't have work today. 131 00:06:33,506 --> 00:06:38,346 Speaker 1: Seven bucks would have gone. Yeah, to tell me stories 132 00:06:38,386 --> 00:06:41,146 Speaker 1: about like, you know, the forties, like with like a 133 00:06:41,186 --> 00:06:43,026 Speaker 1: buck for a helmet, man, Like that's not that bad. 134 00:06:43,386 --> 00:06:46,266 Speaker 1: None cost a dollar now, No, nothing in the dollar 135 00:06:46,346 --> 00:06:50,266 Speaker 1: store still cost a dollar. Nineteen fifties, A single bar 136 00:06:50,466 --> 00:06:54,266 Speaker 1: face mask invented by Cleveland's coach Paul Brown, who had 137 00:06:54,306 --> 00:06:57,346 Speaker 1: an equipment manager actually fashion one to a helmet order 138 00:06:57,346 --> 00:07:00,186 Speaker 1: to keep his quarterback autogram in the game after he 139 00:07:00,226 --> 00:07:02,586 Speaker 1: took a shot to the face. We'll hear more about 140 00:07:02,626 --> 00:07:05,866 Speaker 1: what Paul Brown also did, really a savvy invent a 141 00:07:05,906 --> 00:07:08,346 Speaker 1: little bit later here on this episode. But the single 142 00:07:08,346 --> 00:07:10,546 Speaker 1: bar eventually became a little bit of a fashion ful 143 00:07:10,626 --> 00:07:13,346 Speaker 1: pod in the league. Not you wouldn't be caught. You 144 00:07:14,026 --> 00:07:16,866 Speaker 1: don't want just the one bar, man, I mean I 145 00:07:16,866 --> 00:07:19,146 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I've seen some kickers get away 146 00:07:19,186 --> 00:07:21,346 Speaker 1: with it. But you don't want the one Barlbo with 147 00:07:21,426 --> 00:07:23,666 Speaker 1: the one bar Mike like that would always for me. 148 00:07:23,746 --> 00:07:26,506 Speaker 1: But like somebody get just punched you in your face, man, 149 00:07:26,626 --> 00:07:30,306 Speaker 1: Like this just happened. It's right there. So last dude 150 00:07:30,346 --> 00:07:33,386 Speaker 1: to actually go with the single Joe Timan and that 151 00:07:33,506 --> 00:07:35,866 Speaker 1: crazy by the way, we did a thing on NFL 152 00:07:35,986 --> 00:07:38,586 Speaker 1: network was like a football life and I guess that 153 00:07:38,826 --> 00:07:41,906 Speaker 1: he they changed the pronunciation. He recognizes it, but he 154 00:07:41,986 --> 00:07:44,826 Speaker 1: used to be feasman that I didn't even know that 155 00:07:44,826 --> 00:07:46,746 Speaker 1: because I'm like, damn, why they're saying his name wrong? 156 00:07:46,786 --> 00:07:49,146 Speaker 1: Because I caught it like halfway into the episode. What 157 00:07:49,306 --> 00:07:51,226 Speaker 1: is going on? So he told me that story at 158 00:07:51,306 --> 00:07:54,546 Speaker 1: his restaurant one time we had a scheduled release show 159 00:07:54,626 --> 00:07:56,946 Speaker 1: there that he made me pay for the dinner. I 160 00:07:56,986 --> 00:08:00,226 Speaker 1: gotta get at you, Joe. So yeah, by the and 161 00:08:00,626 --> 00:08:02,986 Speaker 1: keep in mind, I mean for for thim, a quarterback, 162 00:08:03,026 --> 00:08:05,106 Speaker 1: to be doing that kind of unique here, because he 163 00:08:05,186 --> 00:08:08,306 Speaker 1: was the last non kicker to wear these single bar 164 00:08:08,586 --> 00:08:11,866 Speaker 1: across the face mask nineteen sixty two. Though all players 165 00:08:11,906 --> 00:08:14,546 Speaker 1: were face masks in the latter part of that decade, 166 00:08:14,626 --> 00:08:17,586 Speaker 1: crossbar actually adopted better protection around the face and the 167 00:08:17,626 --> 00:08:21,026 Speaker 1: nose By the nineteen seventies, the full mask really began 168 00:08:21,106 --> 00:08:23,706 Speaker 1: to catch on, and then we get to the nineteen nineties. 169 00:08:23,746 --> 00:08:25,346 Speaker 1: By the way, we talk about the nineties like it 170 00:08:25,386 --> 00:08:27,186 Speaker 1: was a long time ago, Like I feel like the 171 00:08:27,266 --> 00:08:33,986 Speaker 1: nineties was a few years ago, But it was. It 172 00:08:30,786 --> 00:08:35,426 Speaker 1: was just a little bit, yeah, a little tread on 173 00:08:35,466 --> 00:08:38,186 Speaker 1: my tires, I'll tell you. Nineties come around, the helmet 174 00:08:38,226 --> 00:08:41,546 Speaker 1: started to become more complex, little different pieces of equipment. 175 00:08:41,746 --> 00:08:44,066 Speaker 1: It weighed about three pounds and had more state of 176 00:08:44,106 --> 00:08:47,586 Speaker 1: the art padding. The newest helmet technology has added things 177 00:08:47,626 --> 00:08:50,866 Speaker 1: like helmet inserts that are actually molded to each individual head, 178 00:08:50,906 --> 00:08:55,506 Speaker 1: and also better ways to absorb and redirect energy from contact. 179 00:08:55,786 --> 00:08:57,386 Speaker 1: You tell me, because I've actually I mean I've put 180 00:08:57,426 --> 00:08:58,906 Speaker 1: it on for fun, but I've never worn one in 181 00:08:58,906 --> 00:09:00,466 Speaker 1: the game, and the ones that I've thrown on or 182 00:09:00,506 --> 00:09:05,586 Speaker 1: not specific for me comfortable generally speaking, Well, I mean, 183 00:09:05,866 --> 00:09:08,866 Speaker 1: you gotta redefine what your definition of comfort is. You 184 00:09:08,906 --> 00:09:11,426 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Uh, yeah, you want it comfortable, 185 00:09:11,626 --> 00:09:13,906 Speaker 1: you want it. So that's not a lot of moving 186 00:09:14,026 --> 00:09:15,826 Speaker 1: a lot not a lot of movement in the helmet. 187 00:09:16,026 --> 00:09:18,346 Speaker 1: I know for me, any time I put a new 188 00:09:18,426 --> 00:09:20,586 Speaker 1: helmet on a helmet on for the first time in 189 00:09:20,586 --> 00:09:23,986 Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, it's like you notice all the things 190 00:09:24,026 --> 00:09:26,426 Speaker 1: that's in your vision, like if you have bars up, 191 00:09:26,426 --> 00:09:28,626 Speaker 1: if you have bars kind of on the side. You know, 192 00:09:28,746 --> 00:09:31,586 Speaker 1: you just notice the stuff. And for me, it did 193 00:09:31,666 --> 00:09:33,986 Speaker 1: take a little time just to kind of get yourself 194 00:09:34,026 --> 00:09:36,386 Speaker 1: oriented in the helmet. And I mean again, it's like 195 00:09:36,466 --> 00:09:38,586 Speaker 1: riding a bike. Once you've done it before, you get 196 00:09:38,666 --> 00:09:40,986 Speaker 1: used to it. But for me, I always needed to 197 00:09:41,026 --> 00:09:44,706 Speaker 1: have the top part of the eyes, part of the 198 00:09:44,986 --> 00:09:47,306 Speaker 1: face masks unencombered. I didn't I couldn't have a lot 199 00:09:47,306 --> 00:09:50,346 Speaker 1: of bars in front of it because I always stood 200 00:09:50,386 --> 00:09:52,786 Speaker 1: up at the fullback position so that I can see 201 00:09:53,146 --> 00:09:54,746 Speaker 1: just like the runner can see, so I can be 202 00:09:54,866 --> 00:09:58,226 Speaker 1: his eyes. And sometimes if it was a bar right there, 203 00:09:58,306 --> 00:10:00,826 Speaker 1: it would trick me into thinking it was an actual person, 204 00:10:01,466 --> 00:10:03,066 Speaker 1: and it would it would mess me. It would mess 205 00:10:03,066 --> 00:10:05,106 Speaker 1: me up in my spatial awareness. How many how much 206 00:10:05,106 --> 00:10:06,826 Speaker 1: do you go through during the course of the season. 207 00:10:06,946 --> 00:10:10,146 Speaker 1: It depends. So when I played quarterback, only one, you know, 208 00:10:10,346 --> 00:10:13,986 Speaker 1: when I played tailback, maybe two fullback, especially my last 209 00:10:14,066 --> 00:10:15,746 Speaker 1: year we when we won our Super Bowl, I went 210 00:10:15,786 --> 00:10:20,386 Speaker 1: through five helmets, face masks, breaking just all the collisions, 211 00:10:20,826 --> 00:10:23,546 Speaker 1: um and then special teams that that's when kickoff was 212 00:10:23,586 --> 00:10:25,826 Speaker 1: really running down there kickoff. So yeah, I went through 213 00:10:25,866 --> 00:10:28,466 Speaker 1: five helmets that last year. I still have them all 214 00:10:28,506 --> 00:10:32,146 Speaker 1: to So do you like, I mean, it's that's your helmet, 215 00:10:32,226 --> 00:10:34,346 Speaker 1: Like is that the one thing? Because we were talking 216 00:10:34,346 --> 00:10:37,386 Speaker 1: about cleats right in our Mailbag episode last week, and 217 00:10:37,466 --> 00:10:39,666 Speaker 1: like some dudes like Russell Wilson, yo where once. So 218 00:10:39,746 --> 00:10:42,306 Speaker 1: that's it. It's a rap for him, the helmet, like 219 00:10:42,346 --> 00:10:44,346 Speaker 1: I would imagine because you're telling me, hey, when you're 220 00:10:44,346 --> 00:10:46,946 Speaker 1: playing quarterback, it was one like you it's like your 221 00:10:47,346 --> 00:10:50,626 Speaker 1: piece of equipment. It's yours, man. And like even when 222 00:10:50,666 --> 00:10:52,946 Speaker 1: I played for San Francisco and then I went over 223 00:10:52,986 --> 00:10:55,586 Speaker 1: to Seattle, you know, I brought my helmet with me. 224 00:10:55,866 --> 00:10:57,986 Speaker 1: You know, they repaying it, They red they redid it up, 225 00:10:58,066 --> 00:11:00,586 Speaker 1: because again, it is a personal thing, and a lot 226 00:11:00,586 --> 00:11:03,866 Speaker 1: of times, especially the older helmets, they would you know 227 00:11:03,946 --> 00:11:06,466 Speaker 1: kind of like get worn kind of and mold it 228 00:11:06,546 --> 00:11:08,626 Speaker 1: kind of to your head, and you just get used 229 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:11,026 Speaker 1: to those times. So you took them like I took 230 00:11:11,106 --> 00:11:14,226 Speaker 1: him with me. I took my shoulder pass with me. Everything. Yeah, 231 00:11:14,306 --> 00:11:17,706 Speaker 1: Like I know, I mean I think Leonard four still 232 00:11:17,706 --> 00:11:21,706 Speaker 1: has his LSU should pass. Many of these guys are 233 00:11:21,786 --> 00:11:23,866 Speaker 1: some of his superstitions. Some of it is just being 234 00:11:23,866 --> 00:11:27,346 Speaker 1: comfortable with the equipment, and some guys just like, oh no, man, 235 00:11:27,466 --> 00:11:29,706 Speaker 1: I've won this many games and this I ain't changed 236 00:11:29,746 --> 00:11:32,186 Speaker 1: and this is what it is. I had no idea 237 00:11:32,186 --> 00:11:34,666 Speaker 1: about that. I did mention Paul Brown a little earlier 238 00:11:34,706 --> 00:11:37,746 Speaker 1: about the helmets and the whole thing. Another huge contribution 239 00:11:37,866 --> 00:11:41,346 Speaker 1: to helmet technology, not knowing people have realized this. But 240 00:11:41,586 --> 00:11:44,266 Speaker 1: let's go back thinkteen fifty six. Brown was actually approached 241 00:11:44,306 --> 00:11:47,946 Speaker 1: by two Cleveland fans who happened to be inventors and 242 00:11:47,986 --> 00:11:49,826 Speaker 1: thought they could help the coach find a new way 243 00:11:49,826 --> 00:11:54,266 Speaker 1: to communicate with his quarterback via radio signal. Here's what 244 00:11:54,306 --> 00:11:56,746 Speaker 1: the legend here, here's how it goes. You got two dudes, 245 00:11:57,066 --> 00:12:00,866 Speaker 1: John Campbell and George Claris. They began testing the equipment 246 00:12:00,866 --> 00:12:03,586 Speaker 1: in the woods near one of their homes. Which what 247 00:12:03,666 --> 00:12:05,746 Speaker 1: good happens in the woods? You know what I'm saying. 248 00:12:06,506 --> 00:12:10,066 Speaker 1: Watched a whole lot of Dateline recently after it interviewed 249 00:12:10,066 --> 00:12:13,186 Speaker 1: the radio signal with the police officer driving by. The 250 00:12:13,226 --> 00:12:16,026 Speaker 1: cop was like, yo, what's going on? Questioned the two 251 00:12:16,066 --> 00:12:17,826 Speaker 1: dudes like they found him and was like, yo, like 252 00:12:17,946 --> 00:12:20,866 Speaker 1: what's going on here? Here's the deal. Though the cop 253 00:12:20,946 --> 00:12:22,866 Speaker 1: was a Browns fan and said, oh, you know what 254 00:12:23,106 --> 00:12:24,866 Speaker 1: you know, you keep rolling in the woods. You do 255 00:12:24,946 --> 00:12:28,266 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do in the woods, and then 256 00:12:28,306 --> 00:12:31,906 Speaker 1: here we go. So uh. Cleveland quarterback George Ratterman was 257 00:12:31,946 --> 00:12:34,586 Speaker 1: the first to wear the radio helmet, but the opponents 258 00:12:34,626 --> 00:12:36,426 Speaker 1: at the time where the Lions. They got a little 259 00:12:36,466 --> 00:12:39,666 Speaker 1: suspicious when they saw a transmitter on the sideline. Then 260 00:12:39,826 --> 00:12:42,866 Speaker 1: NFL Commissioner Bell banned the new system, which didn't return 261 00:12:42,946 --> 00:12:53,866 Speaker 1: until when the technology obviously dramatically improved. Was that seventy 262 00:12:54,226 --> 00:12:58,666 Speaker 1: when they finally started using it. That is crazy, man. 263 00:12:58,866 --> 00:13:00,626 Speaker 1: What's the craziest part that the fact that there was 264 00:13:00,666 --> 00:13:02,506 Speaker 1: that much of a gap or the cop was like, yo, 265 00:13:02,586 --> 00:13:04,706 Speaker 1: you do whatever you want in the woods. Oh man, 266 00:13:04,746 --> 00:13:07,186 Speaker 1: I already know man, fans, you know what I'm saying. 267 00:13:07,226 --> 00:13:11,866 Speaker 1: We're here, man, I get it. But that long, I 268 00:13:11,906 --> 00:13:15,586 Speaker 1: would have just all the great minds of the National 269 00:13:15,626 --> 00:13:18,066 Speaker 1: Football and you just would have thought that this idea 270 00:13:18,106 --> 00:13:20,666 Speaker 1: would have came up a little bit faster, you would think. 271 00:13:20,706 --> 00:13:23,986 Speaker 1: But like I also, it's a product of your environment 272 00:13:24,026 --> 00:13:27,106 Speaker 1: and there's no disrespect. We do a segment on total disrespect, 273 00:13:27,106 --> 00:13:30,986 Speaker 1: and so I go here. It is no disrespect. But 274 00:13:31,026 --> 00:13:37,826 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think Cleveland the technology hub. I mean, dude, 275 00:13:37,866 --> 00:13:40,106 Speaker 1: I was in the Bay Area for like almost a decade, 276 00:13:40,146 --> 00:13:44,306 Speaker 1: so I think because the ways, you know, but in 277 00:13:44,346 --> 00:13:47,626 Speaker 1: the phase right, like I know what, that's just still 278 00:13:47,706 --> 00:13:51,586 Speaker 1: that's me being young on this episode. Okay, but it 279 00:13:51,666 --> 00:13:53,866 Speaker 1: is wild and it took a really long time for 280 00:13:54,306 --> 00:13:57,186 Speaker 1: the communication and the technology to improve, and this is 281 00:13:57,386 --> 00:14:01,066 Speaker 1: what has made for some interesting developments on the football field. Now. 282 00:14:01,346 --> 00:14:04,386 Speaker 1: In fact, you are rules around these communications systems. In fact, 283 00:14:04,586 --> 00:14:06,866 Speaker 1: only two players on the field can hear the sideline. 284 00:14:07,186 --> 00:14:10,706 Speaker 1: That's the quarterback and the defensive captain, who's generally a linebacker. 285 00:14:10,986 --> 00:14:13,466 Speaker 1: Those players are given the green dots sticker on their 286 00:14:13,506 --> 00:14:17,346 Speaker 1: helmet to destinate which helmet has the communications system in it. 287 00:14:17,786 --> 00:14:20,546 Speaker 1: Only the sideline can talk to the players with the headset. 288 00:14:20,786 --> 00:14:23,786 Speaker 1: No one from the booth actually didn't realize that. I 289 00:14:23,826 --> 00:14:26,306 Speaker 1: thought you could get some of that communication from and 290 00:14:26,546 --> 00:14:29,146 Speaker 1: it would be wired that way, but that's not actually 291 00:14:29,186 --> 00:14:31,986 Speaker 1: accurate to me. That would be an unfair advantage because 292 00:14:31,986 --> 00:14:33,866 Speaker 1: you can see the field, Yeah, you can see the field. 293 00:14:33,906 --> 00:14:36,786 Speaker 1: The vantage point is is a little bit different. But 294 00:14:36,906 --> 00:14:40,266 Speaker 1: you know it's crazy, right Like all this technology to 295 00:14:40,306 --> 00:14:42,666 Speaker 1: me is a gift and occurs. We all remember Jared 296 00:14:42,666 --> 00:14:45,986 Speaker 1: Golf Sean McVeigh and the stories that, Yeah, he would 297 00:14:46,026 --> 00:14:47,826 Speaker 1: kind of feed him the plays and talk to him, 298 00:14:47,826 --> 00:14:49,826 Speaker 1: and that's why they will run that hurry up offense 299 00:14:50,306 --> 00:14:52,706 Speaker 1: because with fifteen seconds left on the play clock, that 300 00:14:52,866 --> 00:14:55,306 Speaker 1: system cuts off and the quarterback can't talk to the 301 00:14:55,346 --> 00:14:58,506 Speaker 1: sideline anymore. And so Sean McVeigh kind of figured out 302 00:14:58,506 --> 00:15:00,786 Speaker 1: a loophole. Then you go hurry up off and snap 303 00:15:00,866 --> 00:15:02,666 Speaker 1: the ball before we get the fifteen seconds. I can 304 00:15:02,706 --> 00:15:05,546 Speaker 1: coach my quarterback through the entire play and that's what 305 00:15:05,586 --> 00:15:09,866 Speaker 1: was happening. I think again, I think it's a gift 306 00:15:09,866 --> 00:15:11,506 Speaker 1: and a curse man, because at the end of the day, 307 00:15:11,946 --> 00:15:13,866 Speaker 1: you want your quarterback to be able to see the 308 00:15:13,906 --> 00:15:16,346 Speaker 1: information and be able to process the information and be 309 00:15:16,386 --> 00:15:19,826 Speaker 1: able to come up and develop his own answers to 310 00:15:19,906 --> 00:15:23,506 Speaker 1: the problem right there on the spot. Sometimes that that 311 00:15:23,506 --> 00:15:26,466 Speaker 1: that system can you can develop a crutch when you're 312 00:15:26,466 --> 00:15:29,386 Speaker 1: just waiting on the play caller to feed you the information. 313 00:15:29,666 --> 00:15:31,346 Speaker 1: Sometimes I think you can get a little bit money 314 00:15:31,466 --> 00:15:33,306 Speaker 1: so I'm actually glad you brought that up. And and 315 00:15:33,346 --> 00:15:35,266 Speaker 1: just to be clear here, what I'm Robs talking about 316 00:15:35,346 --> 00:15:38,186 Speaker 1: is the sideline actually cuts out with fifteen seconds remaining 317 00:15:38,386 --> 00:15:41,506 Speaker 1: on the play clock. When that happens, is it chaotic 318 00:15:41,666 --> 00:15:43,706 Speaker 1: on the field because you don't necessarily know is it 319 00:15:43,746 --> 00:15:45,946 Speaker 1: hand signals like how do you transition that? The few 320 00:15:45,986 --> 00:15:49,866 Speaker 1: times that it has happened to me? Um, one time 321 00:15:49,906 --> 00:15:52,426 Speaker 1: I had a backup quarterback doing it, and yeah, it 322 00:15:52,466 --> 00:15:54,826 Speaker 1: was chaos. It was like, dude, guys, I'm not hearing 323 00:15:54,906 --> 00:15:57,466 Speaker 1: I'm not hearing the sideline, you know, and then you know, 324 00:15:57,506 --> 00:16:00,066 Speaker 1: commer heads kind of you know happened. I think we 325 00:16:00,146 --> 00:16:02,546 Speaker 1: had our Nez battle. He was one of our slot receivers. 326 00:16:02,986 --> 00:16:04,946 Speaker 1: It was a third down. He kind of had one 327 00:16:04,946 --> 00:16:07,106 Speaker 1: of his favorite lads. He was able to kind of 328 00:16:07,106 --> 00:16:09,226 Speaker 1: help the quarterback out. But at the end of the day, 329 00:16:09,266 --> 00:16:11,746 Speaker 1: everybody knows the game plan, and the quarterback should be 330 00:16:11,746 --> 00:16:14,306 Speaker 1: prepared enough so that let's say it's a third down 331 00:16:14,386 --> 00:16:16,306 Speaker 1: or let's say it's a second down and six or whatever, 332 00:16:16,626 --> 00:16:18,946 Speaker 1: they know the game plans. They should know the game 333 00:16:18,946 --> 00:16:21,466 Speaker 1: plans so well that the it should be a play 334 00:16:21,546 --> 00:16:22,986 Speaker 1: that they should have in the back of their mind 335 00:16:23,026 --> 00:16:24,586 Speaker 1: to go to. You know, we did an episode on 336 00:16:24,706 --> 00:16:29,106 Speaker 1: instant replay. People always talk about lengthening the game, the 337 00:16:29,146 --> 00:16:31,626 Speaker 1: fact that things are more streamlined, Like we don't see 338 00:16:31,706 --> 00:16:34,826 Speaker 1: teams huddle a whole lot, right, Like it almost feel 339 00:16:34,826 --> 00:16:36,586 Speaker 1: like it's almost a good thing that there's a little 340 00:16:36,586 --> 00:16:39,386 Speaker 1: bit more efficiency now in terms of the communication, the 341 00:16:39,426 --> 00:16:41,626 Speaker 1: play calling, and what we're seeing in today's game. It's 342 00:16:41,626 --> 00:16:44,546 Speaker 1: a great thing because again, a quarterback can kind of 343 00:16:44,826 --> 00:16:47,466 Speaker 1: be at the line of scrimmage. The whole offensive line 344 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:49,506 Speaker 1: can be at the line of scrimmage. Just think guys 345 00:16:49,506 --> 00:16:52,226 Speaker 1: are playing let me call it play double wing right, 346 00:16:52,306 --> 00:16:55,826 Speaker 1: quick as right to twelve flat. I mean, in that 347 00:16:56,066 --> 00:16:58,866 Speaker 1: entire play, the offensive line, all they need to hear 348 00:16:58,946 --> 00:17:01,706 Speaker 1: is quick as right. They don't care about everything else. 349 00:17:02,186 --> 00:17:04,866 Speaker 1: And that play, all the wide receivers need to hear 350 00:17:04,946 --> 00:17:06,946 Speaker 1: is to twelve a flat. They don't need to hear 351 00:17:06,986 --> 00:17:08,426 Speaker 1: the other part. You see what I'm saying. And so 352 00:17:08,946 --> 00:17:11,746 Speaker 1: the fact that we're able to streamline the communication, it 353 00:17:11,786 --> 00:17:14,186 Speaker 1: helps everybody play a little bit faster. Was that your 354 00:17:14,186 --> 00:17:17,426 Speaker 1: favorite play? It was one of so it's like, yeah, 355 00:17:17,466 --> 00:17:19,346 Speaker 1: it was one of those flats, and it was actually 356 00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:22,426 Speaker 1: I was always cool. Another cool, smart, cool little story. 357 00:17:22,426 --> 00:17:26,066 Speaker 1: I was always the emergency quarterback, so on during walkthroughs 358 00:17:26,146 --> 00:17:28,786 Speaker 1: on Saturdays, I would always take the walkthroughs and I 359 00:17:28,826 --> 00:17:31,226 Speaker 1: would always you know, call my plays and stuff like that. 360 00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:32,746 Speaker 1: So I was pretty dope with that. That was a 361 00:17:32,746 --> 00:17:35,866 Speaker 1: three step game. And then on game day I always 362 00:17:35,866 --> 00:17:39,066 Speaker 1: had a backup helmet that had the radio system just 363 00:17:39,186 --> 00:17:42,826 Speaker 1: in case the first two quarterbacks went downright, did you 364 00:17:43,026 --> 00:17:44,986 Speaker 1: be honest when you kind of hope not that you 365 00:17:44,986 --> 00:17:46,466 Speaker 1: didn't ever want to see someone at her? And that's 366 00:17:46,466 --> 00:17:50,506 Speaker 1: how I needed to go down right. I wanted to 367 00:17:50,546 --> 00:17:54,226 Speaker 1: throw some passes. Okay. Oh man. It was in San Francisco. 368 00:17:54,306 --> 00:17:57,546 Speaker 1: One year Alex was hurt, Sean Hill was hurt. We 369 00:17:57,626 --> 00:18:03,106 Speaker 1: brought in Chris Winky Like Wednesday, Chris was gray hair 370 00:18:03,146 --> 00:18:06,426 Speaker 1: and every day was old and Chris Early could take 371 00:18:06,466 --> 00:18:09,786 Speaker 1: a snap. I remember on that Wednesday office according to 372 00:18:09,826 --> 00:18:13,546 Speaker 1: looking at me like, Mike, dude, you're probably gonna play 373 00:18:13,586 --> 00:18:16,546 Speaker 1: this week. I'll pumped for you. I was like, let's 374 00:18:16,706 --> 00:18:20,626 Speaker 1: just go. Bro. I when waiting for this, I was 375 00:18:20,666 --> 00:18:23,346 Speaker 1: a housman final as I was trying to put to 376 00:18:23,506 --> 00:18:25,946 Speaker 1: my own horn. He got himself straight and whatever, but 377 00:18:26,026 --> 00:18:28,546 Speaker 1: that wee can practice you. I called some plays, I 378 00:18:28,666 --> 00:18:31,066 Speaker 1: ran my two minute drill. I was a little pumped up. 379 00:18:31,226 --> 00:18:33,386 Speaker 1: All right, Uh, still more to come here. When we 380 00:18:33,426 --> 00:18:37,066 Speaker 1: come back, we'll talk about exactly how much smaller shoulder 381 00:18:37,106 --> 00:18:40,586 Speaker 1: pads have become and look at some other important trends 382 00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:42,866 Speaker 1: for equipment that have come and gone. You don't want 383 00:18:42,866 --> 00:18:52,906 Speaker 1: to miss it. Welcome back to NFL. Explain Super Bowl Champ, 384 00:18:53,026 --> 00:18:55,666 Speaker 1: m Rob Mike cam with you. Uh, big pad, small 385 00:18:55,866 --> 00:18:58,306 Speaker 1: pad guy? So again it was I was like in 386 00:18:58,346 --> 00:19:00,986 Speaker 1: between because I played a big guy position. But yet 387 00:19:01,066 --> 00:19:03,386 Speaker 1: I was cool though because I used to play quarterback too, 388 00:19:03,426 --> 00:19:05,466 Speaker 1: so I wanted the small pads. But I did have 389 00:19:05,506 --> 00:19:08,066 Speaker 1: a baby neck. Roll was a baby one man. So 390 00:19:08,106 --> 00:19:10,466 Speaker 1: it didn't go out my pets. It was still inside 391 00:19:10,546 --> 00:19:12,786 Speaker 1: my jersey. But you still saw it. But it didn't 392 00:19:12,786 --> 00:19:15,626 Speaker 1: look like crazy what I'm saying. No, I'm with you, 393 00:19:15,626 --> 00:19:18,746 Speaker 1: you know, stylistically, I'm we're gonna bring this back to broadcasters. 394 00:19:18,786 --> 00:19:20,066 Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, the suits had the 395 00:19:20,066 --> 00:19:23,466 Speaker 1: shoulder pads dealing. Yeah, man, you can't that. They don't 396 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:25,906 Speaker 1: look good anymore. I can see you in shoulders. What 397 00:19:25,946 --> 00:19:27,506 Speaker 1: are you talking? You know how much I work out 398 00:19:27,546 --> 00:19:29,986 Speaker 1: on the traps here, Like, I don't need shoulders pads? 399 00:19:30,306 --> 00:19:37,066 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? That was actually my first suits, 400 00:19:37,106 --> 00:19:39,346 Speaker 1: Like when I got into broadcast, had the shoulder pads. 401 00:19:40,146 --> 00:19:42,106 Speaker 1: It looks so much more Jack, Now, I don't even 402 00:19:42,106 --> 00:19:43,786 Speaker 1: need the damn pads. You can. I mean, I don't 403 00:19:43,826 --> 00:19:46,906 Speaker 1: want any of that stuff. Um. Shoulder pads, though, obviously, 404 00:19:47,026 --> 00:19:49,506 Speaker 1: are really significant and in sort of iconic, just like 405 00:19:49,546 --> 00:19:52,466 Speaker 1: the helmets. It's a big differentiator in our sport compared 406 00:19:52,506 --> 00:19:54,026 Speaker 1: to the other ones. But let's take a trip back 407 00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:56,146 Speaker 1: to the nineteen twenties where we're all about like these 408 00:19:56,186 --> 00:19:59,786 Speaker 1: flashbacks here players actually first started wearing shoulder pads, but 409 00:19:59,826 --> 00:20:02,946 Speaker 1: they were actually made out of felt full and leather, 410 00:20:03,426 --> 00:20:05,626 Speaker 1: wool and leather. Yeah, but think about that, right, Like 411 00:20:05,826 --> 00:20:07,706 Speaker 1: had the helmets that were leather, so they were probably 412 00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:10,986 Speaker 1: like I'm thinking, like cow, I don't wanna tell you 413 00:20:10,986 --> 00:20:15,706 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking, but like it's funny. Yeah, turn Off 414 00:20:15,826 --> 00:20:18,346 Speaker 1: was my coach, right, you do know that, right, great 415 00:20:18,546 --> 00:20:22,666 Speaker 1: coach of all time. Um Joe used to always say 416 00:20:23,986 --> 00:20:27,066 Speaker 1: football got dangerous when you took the leather helmets off. 417 00:20:27,346 --> 00:20:29,986 Speaker 1: We had less so to pass. Guys, trust me, you're 418 00:20:30,026 --> 00:20:32,346 Speaker 1: not gonna run into another human being knowing you're gonna 419 00:20:32,346 --> 00:20:34,386 Speaker 1: feel all of that. You know what I'm saying. He 420 00:20:34,506 --> 00:20:36,106 Speaker 1: was like, you want to take the head out of football, 421 00:20:36,306 --> 00:20:39,306 Speaker 1: put leather helmets on. That was always his vote. No wonder, 422 00:20:39,386 --> 00:20:42,026 Speaker 1: you're such a big proponent for flag football. So come 423 00:20:42,066 --> 00:20:47,786 Speaker 1: on full circle here. So once again, this is what 424 00:20:47,826 --> 00:20:50,466 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Like cloth and leather in the nineteen 425 00:20:50,506 --> 00:20:53,466 Speaker 1: twenties for pads, by the nineteen sixties we actually moved 426 00:20:53,466 --> 00:20:57,626 Speaker 1: from the hardened leather to fiber shell to plastic. The 427 00:20:57,666 --> 00:21:00,786 Speaker 1: plastic shoulder pads were actually expanded in size so much 428 00:21:00,786 --> 00:21:03,546 Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties guys probably even had problems 429 00:21:03,626 --> 00:21:05,866 Speaker 1: right like walking through like doors you kind of to 430 00:21:05,866 --> 00:21:09,306 Speaker 1: give too damn bit they were way too big. I 431 00:21:09,346 --> 00:21:12,786 Speaker 1: just remember Levon Kirkland, the middle linebacker back in the day. 432 00:21:12,986 --> 00:21:16,506 Speaker 1: I remember saying, dude, that's the National Football League. Those 433 00:21:16,506 --> 00:21:18,906 Speaker 1: are the linebackers that are coming to hit me. Oh man, yeah, 434 00:21:18,946 --> 00:21:20,866 Speaker 1: show the pass with you. How much do you think 435 00:21:20,906 --> 00:21:23,666 Speaker 1: the slimmer pads actually helps some of the more athletic 436 00:21:23,666 --> 00:21:27,306 Speaker 1: players that we see now. Oh man, they're they're everything. 437 00:21:27,626 --> 00:21:29,546 Speaker 1: I play with A guy Michael Bennett It's like Michael 438 00:21:29,546 --> 00:21:32,786 Speaker 1: Bennett didn't even have pads. Mike b would tell you, Mike, 439 00:21:33,226 --> 00:21:35,466 Speaker 1: I wish I just didn't have pads. Just put me 440 00:21:35,466 --> 00:21:37,786 Speaker 1: into jersey in a helmet and I'll be fine. But 441 00:21:37,986 --> 00:21:40,786 Speaker 1: I just think what's happening now is the rules of 442 00:21:40,826 --> 00:21:44,146 Speaker 1: the game. I'm making the game safer. We're starting to 443 00:21:44,426 --> 00:21:48,906 Speaker 1: not eliminate, but we're limiting the high impact collisions, and 444 00:21:48,986 --> 00:21:53,466 Speaker 1: so smaller pads help guys move better, move faster, a 445 00:21:53,506 --> 00:21:55,826 Speaker 1: little bit more limber, have a little bit more flexibility. 446 00:21:56,146 --> 00:21:59,146 Speaker 1: And to me, it's making the game safer because guys 447 00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:01,946 Speaker 1: don't have to be so big and and and the 448 00:22:01,986 --> 00:22:04,266 Speaker 1: pads of smallest, so they don't think mentally they could 449 00:22:04,266 --> 00:22:06,786 Speaker 1: just running the guy's full speed. You have to think 450 00:22:06,986 --> 00:22:10,066 Speaker 1: before you make tackles and blocks. Uh. You're probably right 451 00:22:10,066 --> 00:22:13,266 Speaker 1: about that. And I'm hearing Joe Paterno giving you that advice, 452 00:22:13,266 --> 00:22:15,826 Speaker 1: telling you when the game got more dangerous because of 453 00:22:15,866 --> 00:22:17,506 Speaker 1: the pads. But I think what you're describing to me 454 00:22:17,546 --> 00:22:20,826 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Another piece of equipment that's 455 00:22:20,826 --> 00:22:23,266 Speaker 1: actually decreased in size, and in some cases you don't 456 00:22:23,306 --> 00:22:25,666 Speaker 1: even see it. That's the thigh and the knee pads. 457 00:22:25,986 --> 00:22:27,826 Speaker 1: That's always wild to me. Ever, get when you were 458 00:22:27,826 --> 00:22:29,746 Speaker 1: in elementary school that like your boy would come up 459 00:22:29,746 --> 00:22:31,506 Speaker 1: to you and give you the dead leg, you know, 460 00:22:31,586 --> 00:22:34,506 Speaker 1: like knee and the side by the way. Now now 461 00:22:34,546 --> 00:22:36,906 Speaker 1: I actually pay someone basically to do that. Every week 462 00:22:36,946 --> 00:22:41,986 Speaker 1: I go to the chiropractice. I'm like, oh my god, 463 00:22:42,026 --> 00:22:45,266 Speaker 1: this hurts so bad. It's crazy. But that's kind of 464 00:22:45,266 --> 00:22:48,026 Speaker 1: a thing now. Um, they were actually originally the knee 465 00:22:48,026 --> 00:22:51,466 Speaker 1: and the thigh pads originally plastic, but they've transformed softer, 466 00:22:51,626 --> 00:22:55,466 Speaker 1: more flexible material. Prior to players had the option of 467 00:22:55,506 --> 00:22:58,626 Speaker 1: not wearing them, but then they became mandatory. Nevertheless, the 468 00:22:58,746 --> 00:23:01,306 Speaker 1: slimming of the pads has made the overall profile the 469 00:23:01,306 --> 00:23:04,546 Speaker 1: players a whole lot sleeker. All right. So another thing 470 00:23:04,586 --> 00:23:07,746 Speaker 1: that's sort of changed time is jerseys. And you and 471 00:23:07,786 --> 00:23:11,466 Speaker 1: I both know jerseys is how we identify dudes. There 472 00:23:11,746 --> 00:23:14,186 Speaker 1: is extremely popular. You go to any NFL stadium and 473 00:23:14,186 --> 00:23:16,666 Speaker 1: you just see a sea of jerseys, you know, people 474 00:23:16,706 --> 00:23:19,226 Speaker 1: just rocking them for their favorite players. Um, back in 475 00:23:19,266 --> 00:23:24,746 Speaker 1: the day, wool and cotton jerseys, Man, you might as 476 00:23:24,746 --> 00:23:26,826 Speaker 1: well do like, what's the what's the fabric with the 477 00:23:26,826 --> 00:23:31,986 Speaker 1: potato sack deal? You know, like the real you know 478 00:23:31,986 --> 00:23:34,106 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, and then you go and go, whoa, 479 00:23:34,146 --> 00:23:37,546 Speaker 1: You might as well just burlap. Is that what it is? Um? 480 00:23:37,586 --> 00:23:41,306 Speaker 1: Now fans know it's it's polyester, it's mesh. They're a 481 00:23:41,306 --> 00:23:44,266 Speaker 1: little bit more fitted, harder to grab on. I've heard 482 00:23:44,386 --> 00:23:46,986 Speaker 1: some stories over the years, like you grease yourself up 483 00:23:46,986 --> 00:23:49,946 Speaker 1: a little bit vassaline, whatever the case may be. You 484 00:23:50,266 --> 00:23:52,026 Speaker 1: like you were so fat, you don't really worry about 485 00:23:52,026 --> 00:23:54,586 Speaker 1: that stuff. But any any sort of tricks that you 486 00:23:54,946 --> 00:23:56,986 Speaker 1: have come across in your time, Guys just trying to 487 00:23:56,986 --> 00:24:03,426 Speaker 1: get away with things. Now you're can I not call out? 488 00:24:04,146 --> 00:24:07,866 Speaker 1: Who can I not call out? I know? UM and 489 00:24:08,066 --> 00:24:11,426 Speaker 1: cold weather games, you know, guys putting the vassoline and 490 00:24:11,506 --> 00:24:14,626 Speaker 1: stuff all over their arms and stuff like that. You 491 00:24:14,666 --> 00:24:17,426 Speaker 1: put the handwarmers and the toes and the feet of 492 00:24:17,466 --> 00:24:19,986 Speaker 1: your cleats and stuff like that. I know for me, 493 00:24:20,346 --> 00:24:23,826 Speaker 1: I used Michael Vick when I was coming out of college. 494 00:24:24,186 --> 00:24:25,866 Speaker 1: Was the guy, you know what I'm saying. I was 495 00:24:25,866 --> 00:24:28,426 Speaker 1: a quarterback in Virginia. He was from Virginia. I wanted 496 00:24:28,426 --> 00:24:31,586 Speaker 1: my jersey when I played quarterback to look exactly like 497 00:24:31,586 --> 00:24:35,026 Speaker 1: how Michael Vick's jersey was cut, but biologically my arms 498 00:24:35,066 --> 00:24:37,586 Speaker 1: wasn't as long as here, so it restricted me from 499 00:24:37,586 --> 00:24:39,946 Speaker 1: throwing the football. So I would always get my jerseys 500 00:24:39,986 --> 00:24:42,186 Speaker 1: really really tight, even when I played full back. But 501 00:24:42,346 --> 00:24:43,906 Speaker 1: they were so tight I would have to cut them 502 00:24:43,946 --> 00:24:47,466 Speaker 1: underneath the arms because it would literally cut my armpit. 503 00:24:47,586 --> 00:24:51,426 Speaker 1: I would have scars from the jersey cutting and digging 504 00:24:51,506 --> 00:24:57,026 Speaker 1: into my I wasn't wasn't who it was just so tight. Um. 505 00:24:57,106 --> 00:25:00,306 Speaker 1: But yeah, man, that's kind of my things I did 506 00:25:00,306 --> 00:25:09,466 Speaker 1: with my jersey. All right, Welcome back to the NFL 507 00:25:09,506 --> 00:25:12,706 Speaker 1: Explained podcasts. Mike Yam and Rob with you. All right, So, 508 00:25:12,746 --> 00:25:17,666 Speaker 1: anyone who please or played football knows when you're wearing gloves, 509 00:25:17,986 --> 00:25:21,546 Speaker 1: they have changed dramatically. I've worked with enough wide receivers 510 00:25:21,586 --> 00:25:23,066 Speaker 1: in my career and they'll tell you they watched some 511 00:25:23,106 --> 00:25:25,546 Speaker 1: catches like yo, man, stick them. That's that's all I 512 00:25:26,106 --> 00:25:31,946 Speaker 1: have that back in my day, No more stick on. 513 00:25:32,266 --> 00:25:35,746 Speaker 1: We got gloves, which basically here's where I'm gonna go 514 00:25:35,786 --> 00:25:37,986 Speaker 1: with this. So justin Jefferson, a couple of weeks ago, 515 00:25:38,386 --> 00:25:41,506 Speaker 1: you told me on Total Acts the greatest it was. 516 00:25:41,866 --> 00:25:44,506 Speaker 1: It was really remarkable. Um, I don't know if he 517 00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:47,346 Speaker 1: does he does he grab that. I think so, Okay, 518 00:25:47,786 --> 00:25:50,226 Speaker 1: I look at the O'Dell catches more of a glove 519 00:25:50,346 --> 00:25:52,666 Speaker 1: thing because of the way the ball was coming down. 520 00:25:53,986 --> 00:25:56,146 Speaker 1: I'm not I think O'Dell was one of the most 521 00:25:56,146 --> 00:25:59,026 Speaker 1: adamic receivers ever played this game. I just look at 522 00:25:59,066 --> 00:26:02,626 Speaker 1: the way justin Jefferson's catch was it. His was more 523 00:26:02,626 --> 00:26:05,786 Speaker 1: of the ball in the palm of his hand, the 524 00:26:05,826 --> 00:26:08,306 Speaker 1: defender helping him to catch the football a little bit. 525 00:26:08,466 --> 00:26:10,466 Speaker 1: That's why I think it was less gloves. Okay, So 526 00:26:10,546 --> 00:26:12,986 Speaker 1: I throw this your way because players, like I said, 527 00:26:13,026 --> 00:26:15,386 Speaker 1: back in the day, used to use like stickum, let's 528 00:26:15,426 --> 00:26:19,546 Speaker 1: put some paste, a little air sault, anything to get 529 00:26:19,586 --> 00:26:22,386 Speaker 1: a little bit of like friction on the gloves to 530 00:26:22,466 --> 00:26:24,226 Speaker 1: make it easier. All that stuff. By the way, band in, 531 00:26:25,026 --> 00:26:26,666 Speaker 1: But how about this, Jerry Rice is like, I'll take 532 00:26:26,706 --> 00:26:29,826 Speaker 1: your band and you can put it where you're not 533 00:26:29,866 --> 00:26:31,586 Speaker 1: supposed to put things. So you know what I'm saying. 534 00:26:32,346 --> 00:26:34,786 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice used to say like he would use stick 535 00:26:34,866 --> 00:26:39,906 Speaker 1: hum like He's like, so the coat, actually, seriously do 536 00:26:39,946 --> 00:26:41,546 Speaker 1: what you need to do. So I don't know if 537 00:26:41,546 --> 00:26:44,466 Speaker 1: anyone was actually checking the goats gloves, but what I 538 00:26:44,546 --> 00:26:47,506 Speaker 1: do know is there is a team that checks every 539 00:26:47,546 --> 00:26:51,066 Speaker 1: single game your uniforms. In fact, I'm very well aware 540 00:26:51,066 --> 00:26:53,546 Speaker 1: of this here at NFL Network. Steve Mariuchi and I 541 00:26:53,546 --> 00:26:57,866 Speaker 1: are lockermates mooch. Every time I see him on a Monday, 542 00:26:58,026 --> 00:27:01,466 Speaker 1: he will show me pictures that he takes of guys 543 00:27:01,466 --> 00:27:05,346 Speaker 1: and uniforms. He is so he is like a stickler 544 00:27:05,426 --> 00:27:08,586 Speaker 1: for this ugly they gotta do it right. He gets 545 00:27:08,586 --> 00:27:11,226 Speaker 1: really upset about I used to know. I know in 546 00:27:11,226 --> 00:27:13,786 Speaker 1: in Seattle, I used to know who our guy was. 547 00:27:13,866 --> 00:27:15,866 Speaker 1: It is the same guy because he lives in the 548 00:27:15,906 --> 00:27:20,706 Speaker 1: area and every game coming out he knew, but he 549 00:27:20,746 --> 00:27:22,866 Speaker 1: had it was part of his job. He had to 550 00:27:22,906 --> 00:27:26,746 Speaker 1: remind me. Mike got a change of cleats because cleats 551 00:27:26,786 --> 00:27:29,426 Speaker 1: have to have I think a certain percentage of the 552 00:27:29,466 --> 00:27:31,586 Speaker 1: home colors of who. I don't know. It's a bunch 553 00:27:31,586 --> 00:27:34,106 Speaker 1: of different rules. And I would always say, Bro, you 554 00:27:34,186 --> 00:27:36,786 Speaker 1: already know I'm gonna change, but I gotta look fresh 555 00:27:37,026 --> 00:27:39,426 Speaker 1: for the warm ups. Man, I'll change. But if you 556 00:27:39,466 --> 00:27:41,986 Speaker 1: come back out there with those cleats, he's sitting there 557 00:27:41,986 --> 00:27:43,906 Speaker 1: looking at you. He's gonna he's gonna write you up. 558 00:27:43,946 --> 00:27:46,986 Speaker 1: He'll find you. So there are actually sixty four NFL 559 00:27:47,026 --> 00:27:51,226 Speaker 1: employees that monitor uniforms and equipment each game. You've gotta 560 00:27:51,266 --> 00:27:55,146 Speaker 1: be up to code here. League Operations manual states all 561 00:27:55,146 --> 00:27:57,746 Speaker 1: players must tuck in their jerseys. They cannot wear bandannas. 562 00:27:57,746 --> 00:28:00,306 Speaker 1: Stockings must be white from the top of the shoot 563 00:28:00,306 --> 00:28:03,946 Speaker 1: to midcalf, and an approved team color from midcalf to 564 00:28:03,946 --> 00:28:06,906 Speaker 1: the bottom of the pant leg, which must be pulled 565 00:28:06,906 --> 00:28:09,626 Speaker 1: down below the knees. That's actually the below the needst thing. 566 00:28:09,706 --> 00:28:12,626 Speaker 1: That's what gets mood like on another level. And well 567 00:28:13,826 --> 00:28:16,066 Speaker 1: he gets so mad at that. It's ridiculous. The white 568 00:28:16,106 --> 00:28:18,586 Speaker 1: never goes up halfway A lot of times, guys for 569 00:28:18,746 --> 00:28:23,066 Speaker 1: black socks up there. I mean it's players cannot wear 570 00:28:23,106 --> 00:28:25,986 Speaker 1: headgear or any other equipment or apparel that, in the 571 00:28:26,066 --> 00:28:29,466 Speaker 1: opinion of the uniform inspector or the referee, may confuse 572 00:28:29,506 --> 00:28:32,586 Speaker 1: an opponent because its color is similar to a football. 573 00:28:32,746 --> 00:28:36,306 Speaker 1: Only logos or brands from the league's official partners can 574 00:28:36,306 --> 00:28:39,626 Speaker 1: be displayed. Players may wear other brands as long as 575 00:28:39,666 --> 00:28:42,866 Speaker 1: they remove or cover the name on the logo. Hello. 576 00:28:43,186 --> 00:28:46,506 Speaker 1: I remember when under Armour was first coming out. I 577 00:28:46,546 --> 00:28:49,346 Speaker 1: was coming into the league at the time, and the 578 00:28:49,386 --> 00:28:52,466 Speaker 1: founders went to the University of Maryland, and they were 579 00:28:52,506 --> 00:28:54,546 Speaker 1: trying to get guys to be a part of their 580 00:28:54,626 --> 00:28:58,186 Speaker 1: group and they weren't league. They weren't approved yet. And 581 00:28:58,226 --> 00:28:59,946 Speaker 1: I'm in Vernon Davis on my team with the San 582 00:28:59,946 --> 00:29:02,386 Speaker 1: Francesco before and now is every single game he had 583 00:29:02,426 --> 00:29:04,786 Speaker 1: to cover the logo up, he had to take the 584 00:29:04,786 --> 00:29:06,866 Speaker 1: cleats up. He didn't want tape the cleats. He wanted 585 00:29:06,906 --> 00:29:09,706 Speaker 1: to show the cleats off, but they weren't approved yet. Wow, 586 00:29:09,946 --> 00:29:13,306 Speaker 1: did you get any paper from those dudes? Dudes? I 587 00:29:13,306 --> 00:29:17,346 Speaker 1: want some paper from him all day right now, exactly, 588 00:29:17,746 --> 00:29:21,866 Speaker 1: don't matter if or not I'm ready to get paid. UH. 589 00:29:22,026 --> 00:29:25,226 Speaker 1: Fines for equipment violations can actually add up for foreign 590 00:29:25,266 --> 00:29:27,946 Speaker 1: substances on the body of your uniform five k for 591 00:29:27,946 --> 00:29:31,066 Speaker 1: the first offense. The same goes for an unapproved visor tent, 592 00:29:31,266 --> 00:29:34,146 Speaker 1: and over ten thou dollars for writing personal messages or 593 00:29:34,186 --> 00:29:38,506 Speaker 1: wearing unauthorized logos, branding or intellectual property. It's a ton 594 00:29:38,586 --> 00:29:41,986 Speaker 1: to keep track of um any and he finds any 595 00:29:42,066 --> 00:29:44,306 Speaker 1: of your former teammates or friends that you can think 596 00:29:44,346 --> 00:29:45,866 Speaker 1: of that just said, screw it. I'll pay the fine 597 00:29:45,866 --> 00:29:49,746 Speaker 1: every single weekend. It keeps going up. Didn't care, you 598 00:29:49,746 --> 00:29:53,266 Speaker 1: know best? Moo wear gold cleats. He wear Beastmo brand stuff. 599 00:29:53,306 --> 00:29:56,306 Speaker 1: None of that stuff was approved. He said, here's a check. 600 00:29:57,186 --> 00:29:59,666 Speaker 1: When the years over, whatever the fines were, just write 601 00:29:59,666 --> 00:30:02,386 Speaker 1: the number right there, I'm gonna pay. I mean, that's 602 00:30:02,426 --> 00:30:05,226 Speaker 1: the way it is. But again, his beast More brand 603 00:30:05,386 --> 00:30:09,746 Speaker 1: made in the back end. It's a good point. I 604 00:30:09,786 --> 00:30:11,826 Speaker 1: feel like the equipment manager has a lot of pressure 605 00:30:11,946 --> 00:30:15,826 Speaker 1: on them. Oh. First of all, the equipment manager in 606 00:30:15,946 --> 00:30:20,866 Speaker 1: every football building, all thirty two buildings around this country, 607 00:30:20,866 --> 00:30:25,026 Speaker 1: are the most popular people in the building. They help 608 00:30:25,106 --> 00:30:27,786 Speaker 1: us get our cleats. They helped us connect with the 609 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:30,346 Speaker 1: brand reps, with the Nike reps to reb I mean 610 00:30:30,706 --> 00:30:38,586 Speaker 1: they do everything. Oftentimes. Oftentimes team meetings, unofficial team player 611 00:30:38,746 --> 00:30:42,906 Speaker 1: meetings are in the equipment manager's office. That's just where 612 00:30:42,906 --> 00:30:45,386 Speaker 1: guys hang out. That's where guys have a coffee, that's 613 00:30:45,386 --> 00:30:48,306 Speaker 1: where guys have their lunch. I mean, the equipment manager 614 00:30:48,466 --> 00:30:50,786 Speaker 1: is the guy man I love e k shout out 615 00:30:50,826 --> 00:30:54,226 Speaker 1: the e k Um. You mentioned neck rolls a little 616 00:30:54,226 --> 00:30:57,066 Speaker 1: bit earlier in this edition for you. Was it just 617 00:30:57,466 --> 00:31:00,546 Speaker 1: like straight intimidation factor, No, it wasn't. I had a 618 00:31:00,546 --> 00:31:03,946 Speaker 1: stinger issue. I used always get stingers and when I 619 00:31:03,946 --> 00:31:06,746 Speaker 1: went to my Cairo practor and up telling me like, 620 00:31:07,266 --> 00:31:09,906 Speaker 1: you're nex supposed to have like a curve, like a 621 00:31:09,986 --> 00:31:12,946 Speaker 1: question mark. So my neck. The reason why I was 622 00:31:12,946 --> 00:31:15,346 Speaker 1: getting a lot of stingers is because I was absorbing 623 00:31:15,466 --> 00:31:16,986 Speaker 1: my neck with a little bit more straight and then 624 00:31:17,106 --> 00:31:18,746 Speaker 1: have the spring. Well. I used to have to wear 625 00:31:18,746 --> 00:31:22,426 Speaker 1: this brace twenty minutes a day just to correct the 626 00:31:22,506 --> 00:31:25,386 Speaker 1: curve in my neck. And actually I advise a lot 627 00:31:25,426 --> 00:31:27,706 Speaker 1: of fullbacks currently in the National Football League. A lot 628 00:31:27,746 --> 00:31:29,746 Speaker 1: of guys call me hit me up in box. He Mike, 629 00:31:29,786 --> 00:31:31,906 Speaker 1: I'm getting stingers. I'm getting this from my neck or whatever. 630 00:31:32,386 --> 00:31:34,066 Speaker 1: I showed them the device I have, and a lot 631 00:31:34,106 --> 00:31:36,466 Speaker 1: of them get it in the stingers go away. So 632 00:31:36,506 --> 00:31:40,186 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Recently I've seen this happened. Actually, tell a 633 00:31:40,306 --> 00:31:41,826 Speaker 1: rap I got to know a little bit of place 634 00:31:41,906 --> 00:31:43,546 Speaker 1: for the rams now he went to Washington. I used 635 00:31:43,586 --> 00:31:45,826 Speaker 1: to cover them, and I saw him post this on 636 00:31:45,866 --> 00:31:48,146 Speaker 1: social media, and then I realized, like, this is becoming 637 00:31:48,186 --> 00:31:50,906 Speaker 1: a thing. And it's not a neck roll of sorts. 638 00:31:50,906 --> 00:31:53,826 Speaker 1: It's actually called the Q collar. It's a lot smaller, 639 00:31:54,186 --> 00:31:56,426 Speaker 1: but it applies light pressure to the neck and the 640 00:31:56,546 --> 00:32:00,626 Speaker 1: collar increases blood volume in the head, providing extra cushion 641 00:32:00,706 --> 00:32:03,306 Speaker 1: for the brain during impacts. And I'm thinking to myself, 642 00:32:03,346 --> 00:32:05,266 Speaker 1: I'm like looking at some of the descriptions, is that 643 00:32:05,346 --> 00:32:07,706 Speaker 1: really say, well, the FDA actually approved this thing in 644 00:32:08,906 --> 00:32:11,986 Speaker 1: a ton of players use it. Tony Pollard certainly comes 645 00:32:12,026 --> 00:32:15,426 Speaker 1: to mind. Shaq Thompson. I mentioned Taylor app already. In addition, 646 00:32:15,466 --> 00:32:18,106 Speaker 1: four NFL teams, along with eight D one teams, actually 647 00:32:18,106 --> 00:32:22,306 Speaker 1: have mouth guards featuring sensors that gather data for analysis 648 00:32:22,386 --> 00:32:24,706 Speaker 1: of the frequency and severity of a lot of the 649 00:32:24,786 --> 00:32:28,386 Speaker 1: impacts not only during the games, but also during practices. 650 00:32:28,626 --> 00:32:31,106 Speaker 1: That's actually part of the NFL sixty million dollar commitment 651 00:32:31,146 --> 00:32:34,026 Speaker 1: to try to help promote health and safety for a 652 00:32:34,066 --> 00:32:36,546 Speaker 1: lot of the players. Like I know, you're not surprised 653 00:32:36,546 --> 00:32:38,826 Speaker 1: hearing about something that's ingenious. I was part of a 654 00:32:38,906 --> 00:32:41,506 Speaker 1: group that was trying to develop a mouthpiece like that 655 00:32:41,546 --> 00:32:44,426 Speaker 1: about five or six years ago. Just think about if 656 00:32:44,466 --> 00:32:48,066 Speaker 1: a player knew exactly the content of his lava or 657 00:32:48,146 --> 00:32:52,306 Speaker 1: whatever when he's healthy and he's fully hydrated, and then 658 00:32:52,426 --> 00:32:55,546 Speaker 1: going through practice and knowing exactly how much water you 659 00:32:55,546 --> 00:32:57,986 Speaker 1: need to drink, how many electrolights you need. I mean, 660 00:32:57,986 --> 00:33:00,986 Speaker 1: what an advantage for an athlete. So Yeah, kudos for 661 00:33:01,026 --> 00:33:04,026 Speaker 1: the National Football League into those college programs using the program. 662 00:33:04,066 --> 00:33:07,026 Speaker 1: Anything else that you want to see it wise that 663 00:33:07,106 --> 00:33:08,986 Speaker 1: might be helpful for you. Anything else I want to 664 00:33:08,986 --> 00:33:12,346 Speaker 1: see equipment wise, because now it's like GPS, monitors at 665 00:33:12,346 --> 00:33:15,506 Speaker 1: practice tracking, you know, sleep, all of that. Like I 666 00:33:15,546 --> 00:33:17,786 Speaker 1: feel like heart rate, a lot of this stuff is 667 00:33:17,826 --> 00:33:19,786 Speaker 1: already available. I don't know if you want to see 668 00:33:19,786 --> 00:33:22,706 Speaker 1: anything taken to another level or not. It's tough. I mean, 669 00:33:22,786 --> 00:33:25,026 Speaker 1: I think you know the people in our sport, they've 670 00:33:25,066 --> 00:33:27,866 Speaker 1: thought of everything. I think now it's just about improving 671 00:33:27,906 --> 00:33:32,186 Speaker 1: the technology that we already have and making the technology 672 00:33:32,426 --> 00:33:35,266 Speaker 1: so that it's not an all encompassing thing. Meaning you 673 00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:38,306 Speaker 1: and are different. Yes you can have the same test 674 00:33:38,386 --> 00:33:40,986 Speaker 1: on both of us, but understanding that we're different people 675 00:33:41,106 --> 00:33:43,666 Speaker 1: than maybe you know, an answer for you may not 676 00:33:43,906 --> 00:33:47,146 Speaker 1: always be the same answer for myself. Really fascinating to 677 00:33:47,186 --> 00:33:50,666 Speaker 1: hear about a lot of this stuff with equipment. Really 678 00:33:50,706 --> 00:33:54,026 Speaker 1: appreciate that guy that shot me a d M sparked 679 00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:57,626 Speaker 1: this entire episode. I know, I promise because we keep 680 00:33:57,666 --> 00:33:59,546 Speaker 1: getting some of these dms. You can hit me up 681 00:33:59,586 --> 00:34:02,506 Speaker 1: at Mike Underscore m You can follow Mike rob and 682 00:34:02,666 --> 00:34:04,866 Speaker 1: a real mic Rob because he's not gonna answer you 683 00:34:04,826 --> 00:34:07,706 Speaker 1: at DMS. I will, I promise, UM, but we're going 684 00:34:07,746 --> 00:34:09,826 Speaker 1: to continue. I'm telling you, guys, I get the d 685 00:34:09,986 --> 00:34:11,946 Speaker 1: m S, screenshot it, I send it to our entire 686 00:34:11,986 --> 00:34:14,706 Speaker 1: team and Robs on there. I usually fire off the emoji. 687 00:34:14,946 --> 00:34:16,946 Speaker 1: If we don't get to it in our next mail 688 00:34:16,986 --> 00:34:19,066 Speaker 1: bag edition, we're going to do exactly what we just did, 689 00:34:19,106 --> 00:34:22,226 Speaker 1: which is take your question and make it a whole episode. 690 00:34:22,346 --> 00:34:25,146 Speaker 1: Really appreciate you guys listening. Tell your friends about NFL 691 00:34:25,186 --> 00:34:25,626 Speaker 1: explained