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Speaker 1: we will continue to break down the NFL Draft April
Speaker 1: twenty nine in Cleveland, Ohio. As we're now closing in
Speaker 1: on sixty days until the draft is finally here, and
Speaker 1: it is crunch time. As the Senior Bowls in the past,
Speaker 1: we're closing in on Pro days, lots of Pro days
Speaker 1: to get to and we'll talk about that maybe a
Speaker 1: little coming up here in the coming moments. But first
Speaker 1: let me introduce the door normal Thursday crew. We've got
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler from the Athletic, Jeff Cavanaugh one oh five
Speaker 1: three the Fan, and the great Kevin kat Turner. Down
Speaker 1: the road. I'm Kyle Yeoman's leading the way as always, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: it's been a crazy week for a lot of you
Speaker 1: and for a lot of our listeners at home. First off,
Speaker 1: I want to take some time to say prayers out
Speaker 1: to everybody affected by the winter storm in Texas and
Speaker 1: even around the country. Wanted to just kind of give
Speaker 1: our thoughts and prayers your direction, because it certainly has
Speaker 1: been a tough week. Jeff, you're doing okay over there.
Speaker 1: I see the bookshelf is looking alive and well in
Speaker 1: the back. That's good. Yeah, I have not had to
Speaker 1: sell the bookshelf, so that's really positive. I've been really fortunate.
Speaker 1: I have not lost power. I've decided it's because I'm
Speaker 1: about a three wood away from a fire station. So
Speaker 1: I have been very fortunate. My only mishap has been
Speaker 1: brought on myself when I thought I could do laundry
Speaker 1: and the drain was frozen. But now we got that hint,
Speaker 1: it's no problem, so I cannot complain. I have had
Speaker 1: it very very easy. Tatsy, the same kind of thing
Speaker 1: with you. You've been doing all right this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been good. I only lost power once for like
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. I keep thinking it's it's gonna happen because
Speaker 1: somehow I escaped and and didn't lose power. And I
Speaker 1: feel terrible even talking about it, because electricity guilt. I
Speaker 1: have it too. Yeah, it's terrible. Uh it's and you
Speaker 1: know what, it's not as bad as not having power.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess there's a part of me
Speaker 1: that should just say, you know, count your blessings, but
Speaker 1: there's another part of me that just I just feel
Speaker 1: terrible for everyone. Um, I don't know, figure it out
Speaker 1: on core. Yeah, it got an interesting week for sure
Speaker 1: in Texas. But Dane, you're up in Ohio. How has
Speaker 1: it been up on your neck of the woods. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got snow everywhere, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: we're used to this. We expect this every every winter.
Speaker 1: So it's it's freezing outside. Uh. You know, my wife's
Speaker 1: a third grade teacher, so every night she's crossing her
Speaker 1: fingers that no school the next day. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a little different situation for us up here. It's
Speaker 1: the same kind of cold, and you guys are just
Speaker 1: kind of getting a taste of, unfortunately, what our weather
Speaker 1: is for a couple of months during the winter months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we hate it down here. For sure. And by the way,
Speaker 1: everybody continues to stay safe, and we're gonna give you
Speaker 1: a little bit of an escape from that because instead
Speaker 1: of having the freezing cold temperature, we're gonna give you
Speaker 1: blistering hot draft takes here over. How about that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be real hot up in here. Okay, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be so hot. I'm thinking about doing a segment with
Speaker 1: my shirt off. Oh okay, I mean, what you want
Speaker 1: to do. I'm not gonna stop you, Jeff, But let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and go into a hot topic among Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans really throughout the course of the draft process, and
Speaker 1: that's cornerback. Because I feel like lately we've talked a
Speaker 1: lot about the defensive tackles. We talk about offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: even a little bit of edge rusher and linebacker. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if we necessarily hit the corner as
Speaker 1: much as we did when we first started the show,
Speaker 1: because back in the first couple episodes, it was almost
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion corner was going to be the pick.
Speaker 1: Now that still could be the case Patrick's or Tankala Farley,
Speaker 1: j C. Horner all right up at the top of
Speaker 1: the draft. But there's some really good corners throughout the
Speaker 1: top ten of this draft, Dame, And I know whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to you and you're looking at this, I
Speaker 1: just want to kind of get your input. Now that
Speaker 1: we're post Senior Bowl, we're getting into these pro days,
Speaker 1: has there been any big shift among the top ten
Speaker 1: corners and some guys that could potentially be wearing a
Speaker 1: star on the side of their helmet. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a very tumultuous I maybe it's not the right word.
Speaker 1: They're a varied a lot of varied opinions going from
Speaker 1: team to team, evaluated to evaluator. When you look at
Speaker 1: this corner class, there's just so many different types of corners.
Speaker 1: When you I think the top two are widely believed
Speaker 1: to be the the first two corners off the board
Speaker 1: being uh Caitlin Farley and Patrick Surtan, But then after
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of different opinions on what order
Speaker 1: three through twelve is. I mean, it's crazy the amount
Speaker 1: of different opinions. And I think the similar you know,
Speaker 1: you look at pass rushers like that this year wide
Speaker 1: receiver after you get after the top three is kind
Speaker 1: of like that corner. There's just a lot of different
Speaker 1: types of corners based off of scheme, based off of
Speaker 1: maybe with you know, size, speed, ball skills, whatever trait
Speaker 1: that you prefer kind of being the strength of your corners.
Speaker 1: There's going to be different guys that you're going to want,
Speaker 1: so they don't expect a clean, uh you know order
Speaker 1: from everybody in terms of the you know how these
Speaker 1: guys are going to be drafted. You know, for me, example,
Speaker 1: Greg news Amount of Northwestern He's my number four corner
Speaker 1: in this draft. I finished his report earlier this week,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm trying to place him. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's better than him. I think he's better than him.
Speaker 1: And I settled him at number four, and I think
Speaker 1: there's a good chance he's gonna end as my cornerback
Speaker 1: for after uh far releaser Tan jac Horn and then Newsom.
Speaker 1: And there's so much to like about him when you
Speaker 1: when you factor in the ball skills, you factor in
Speaker 1: his coverage ability, uh, his ability. He's so intelligent with
Speaker 1: the way he plays. He allowed only ten completions this year,
Speaker 1: only one was over ten yards. There's just a lot
Speaker 1: to like about him as a corner, as an ascending
Speaker 1: corner who's getting better and better so I'm very high
Speaker 1: on Newsome. Uh and then after that, you know, it's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of intrigue, you know, the the Georgia
Speaker 1: corners for example, I know, you know, Jeff's not not
Speaker 1: as high in the Georgia corners where I'm starting to
Speaker 1: you know, I've got I'm leaning towards Stokes a little
Speaker 1: bit just because there's there's so much working in his favor.
Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell bothers me because he just can't find the
Speaker 1: football downfield and that's that's something that really bothers me
Speaker 1: as a corner. And the more I stack up these corners,
Speaker 1: the more I really you know, remember that and how
Speaker 1: that that hurts him. So there's so many different directions
Speaker 1: we go with this cornerback class. I'm eager to get
Speaker 1: Katie and Jeff's input to this as well. So can
Speaker 1: I just follow up because the Georgia cornerback thing is
Speaker 1: It's funny that you mentioned that because I literally flipped
Speaker 1: them yesterday. Yea. I have Stokes ahead of Campbell too.
Speaker 1: And the reason that I did that is as I'm
Speaker 1: initially doing a position group and I've watched like fifteen
Speaker 1: sixteen corners. Now as I'm initially doing it. I'll watch
Speaker 1: a guy and I'll just throw him into like the
Speaker 1: round group where I think, and then I'll watch the
Speaker 1: next guy and I'll throw him in. And then as
Speaker 1: there's more and more guys in each round, I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of gut feeling like, all right, he goes there,
Speaker 1: he goes there. And then eventually what I do is
Speaker 1: I go back to my notes, and I'll find that
Speaker 1: there are guys that you liked more when you just
Speaker 1: read the notes, and there's guys that you liked less
Speaker 1: when you just read back through it, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so those are in the wrong order based on my
Speaker 1: own words. So let's get this fixed. The interesting thing
Speaker 1: about the Georgia guys is there's so many ways to
Speaker 1: evaluate this. Dane. I'll tell you that it's traits over production,
Speaker 1: but production is a thing too. And on the Georgia corners,
Speaker 1: did you know here's a fun did you know game?
Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell gave up more yards in the Alabama game
Speaker 1: than Eric Stokes gave up all year. Wow, So you
Speaker 1: know there is at some point where you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell is a little bit taller. He might be
Speaker 1: a little more athletic, and so like, Okay, there's some
Speaker 1: traits there, but Stokes has been a better player than
Speaker 1: him their entire career. So like, I went through and
Speaker 1: kind of reordered some things, and I still have them
Speaker 1: both outside of my top ten. But I did talk
Speaker 1: to a guy who does some evaluating for NFL teams
Speaker 1: last night that has Stokes as a top five corner
Speaker 1: that loves him, and that just goes to Dane's point.
Speaker 1: These guys are going to be all over the place.
Speaker 1: Neither one of them is in my top ten currently,
Speaker 1: and that's just that's the way. It's that's the way.
Speaker 1: And Dane's guy knew him at Northwestern. He's my tenth
Speaker 1: corner and I love him. I love him, and he's
Speaker 1: my tenth corner. I have ten guys that I think
Speaker 1: are worthy of being picked in the top two rounds.
Speaker 1: So that's where I am with the corner and my
Speaker 1: number one corner, Caleb Farley. When I went back and
Speaker 1: looked at the notes, I don't know if he belongs
Speaker 1: as my number one corner. Wow, I really don't like
Speaker 1: he's My notes on him are all about potential, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't play much press man coverage. I don't think
Speaker 1: that his tape is great in man coverage period. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of man these athletic traits and the ball
Speaker 1: production numbers and what could he be as opposed to
Speaker 1: going through Sir Tan's notes and I'm like, that's pretty
Speaker 1: much all positive. Jc Horn pretty much all positive, whereas
Speaker 1: Farley it's like, hey, here's what he could be, and
Speaker 1: so I might have to think long and hard about
Speaker 1: that at the very top of the draft. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a really fun group, and I think
Speaker 1: it's a really deep and really good group, and you
Speaker 1: could find I think a really good player at forty four,
Speaker 1: maybe even in the third round. But yes, everyone's going
Speaker 1: to be varied, and I know that I am varied
Speaker 1: from what a lot of people think. There's no need
Speaker 1: to make any hot chocolate after those hot takes from
Speaker 1: Jeff shirts coming off Babe leaving on. I think the
Speaker 1: demographic is mostly male, although shout out to our female
Speaker 1: listeners at the Draft show and males who like males.
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes for me is my cornerback four. I have
Speaker 1: two freas roungraded corners, Farley and then Curtan. I am
Speaker 1: with you on that, Sir Tan might feel a little
Speaker 1: bit safer. I want to go to Eric Stokes because
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and I don't know what the
Speaker 1: what the targets are compared to him and Campbell, who
Speaker 1: it feels like watching the take, Campbell was definitely targeted
Speaker 1: more like Noah. Stokes only allowed sixteen receptions this year.
Speaker 1: The longest reception he gave up was eighteen yards. And
Speaker 1: to me, I think Eric Stokes is fast. Like everyone
Speaker 1: talks about how athletic Tyson Campbell is and you can
Speaker 1: see you can see the fluidity of Tyson Campbell, but
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes is not. It's not like he's gonna go
Speaker 1: run like. Eric Stokes has got a good chance to
Speaker 1: run the four floors like the stream. He might run
Speaker 1: the fastest forty in this drift. Wow. Yeah, both campbel
Speaker 1: on Stokes. Campbell and Stokes, I believe are both hundred
Speaker 1: and two hundred meters state champions in high school. They
Speaker 1: can both. Stokes was a more of a track guy
Speaker 1: in high school. He has he has some state titles,
Speaker 1: uh in Georgia. So yeah, they're they're both gonna run
Speaker 1: really really well. The thing about Stokes and it's completely
Speaker 1: different from Tyson Campbell is you can just kind of
Speaker 1: sits a little more feel of anticipating the route that
Speaker 1: the wide receiver is gonna run, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: understanding this receiver is about to break inside and he
Speaker 1: gets a step ahead and he's carrying the wide receiver
Speaker 1: inside and just little things like that that a little
Speaker 1: more nuanced. And like the cornerback is a nuanced position,
Speaker 1: and it's okay to just put athletic guys out there sometimes,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that they have a better feel
Speaker 1: for the position. And you can easily see that with
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes. So, I mean, he's been a top five
Speaker 1: corner for me this entire process and that hasn't changed
Speaker 1: at all, and I feel really good about that. You know,
Speaker 1: from a Cowboys perspective, Does he get to your second
Speaker 1: round pick at pick number forty four? Probably not. I
Speaker 1: personally don't feel like he makes it that far. But
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what NFL teams feel like in
Speaker 1: this kind of odd year of evaluating players. Well, and
Speaker 1: Dane you pulling up Eric Stokes and saying that he
Speaker 1: has the potential of running the quickest forty in the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean that reminds me of a conversation we've had
Speaker 1: on the show previously about the Cowboys defense at about
Speaker 1: how this defense just isn't fast enough and it seems
Speaker 1: like that you can see it on tape. The defense
Speaker 1: is by far not fast enough to keep up with
Speaker 1: the defenses that we saw that made deep playoff runs.
Speaker 1: Is Eric Stokes that guy that defensively could potentially up
Speaker 1: the defensive speed or are there other guys littered throughout
Speaker 1: this group that could potentially add to that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for pure speed, then I mean Stokes
Speaker 1: needs to be near the top of your list. I
Speaker 1: mean he was a ten three nine guy in one
Speaker 1: hundred meters in Georgia that that was a classification record
Speaker 1: for him. So speed is not a question with him.
Speaker 1: Straight line speed. He's got an explosive trigger, and the
Speaker 1: speed shows up recovery speed as well, so he can
Speaker 1: regain positioning and make plays. So there's you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot when you look at Stoke and you see
Speaker 1: how long he is, you see the speed. Uh. You
Speaker 1: hear as coaches say things like he's coachable, he's intelligent. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he only gave up three touchdowns the last
Speaker 1: three years at Georgia. So there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: in Eric Stokes's favor, which is why you know he's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, up there in the top five or six
Speaker 1: corners for me, I'm still working through exactly where, but
Speaker 1: you know, he might end up five right behind Newsom,
Speaker 1: so I have a there's a lot going for him.
Speaker 1: I think one of the toughest corners in terms of
Speaker 1: just pegging where he's going to go. And then his
Speaker 1: projection is gonna be Kelvin Joseph out of Kentucky, who
Speaker 1: you know is he does not have a big sample size. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was a backup as a freshman at LSU transfer
Speaker 1: so he sat out to as a nineteen became a
Speaker 1: starter at Kentucky and he started nine games. So we've
Speaker 1: got a nine basically at nine game sample size from him.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of really good stuff on there. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, there's you see the athleticism, you see his
Speaker 1: ability to pattern match. Uh. You know, he's rarely out
Speaker 1: of phase because he's such a such a natural athlete.
Speaker 1: He's fluid, he's got that hip flip that you want,
Speaker 1: very loose, very sudden, um, big time athlete, but again,
Speaker 1: the sample size is not there. You see some undisciplined tendencies. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then there's there's some off field stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: he obviously fizzled out pretty quickly at LSU. Uh. The
Speaker 1: Kentucky coaches basically told him, hey, just leave, just go
Speaker 1: opt out because you know, he was really not putting
Speaker 1: in any effort. Towards the end of the season, he
Speaker 1: was just kind of showing up, and so the coach
Speaker 1: is basically pushed him out the door. So, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of things with Kelvin Joseph that
Speaker 1: you know are get you excited, but there are all
Speaker 1: some some some red flags there that teams have to
Speaker 1: work through. He's gonna go somewhere top fifty, top sixty
Speaker 1: because the talent is just too good. But teams are
Speaker 1: gonna have to do a little more homework on him
Speaker 1: just to figure out exactly what's going on with him. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, can you trust him as a professional, What's
Speaker 1: gonna happen when he gets a contract? Things like that.
Speaker 1: So Kelvin Joseph's gonna be really interesting throughout this process.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's a guy that can make it
Speaker 1: to forty four. I know you just said it's really
Speaker 1: tough to chat where he's gonna end up going, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to throw him in there. No, he could
Speaker 1: go twenty five, he go fifty five. I mean it
Speaker 1: could because again, there's there's a lot of he will
Speaker 1: he will be not for everybody. A lot of teams
Speaker 1: will say, we don't want the headache. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll take our chances on this guy. Because, like we've
Speaker 1: been mentioning all these different corners, there's so many of them,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to necessarily take a chance on
Speaker 1: a Calvin Joseph. You know, you look at a guy
Speaker 1: like Marcus Peters, who you know, he's got his own
Speaker 1: different set of circumstances, but he's he's a Pro Bowl corner.
Speaker 1: He's on his third team already, and he's been in
Speaker 1: the league, what four or five years, So you know,
Speaker 1: there's some teams that are gonna be willing to put
Speaker 1: up with some of the stuff where other teams will not.
Speaker 1: So he's just gonna be a really interesting guy to
Speaker 1: track throughout the process. Katie, is there a guy in
Speaker 1: the Day two back end Day two, early Day three
Speaker 1: realm a third or fourth round pick. Of course, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys pick corner Reggie Robinson last year in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: Do you think they could do that again? Because I
Speaker 1: know you tabbed Reggie Robinson from very early on in
Speaker 1: the Draft show last year. I want you to do
Speaker 1: it again for me. I want you to find a
Speaker 1: guy in that late day to early day three realm
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys could be interested in get him active
Speaker 1: this time. Yeah, that's very frustrating that Reggie Robinson couldn't
Speaker 1: get on the field last year. That's very frustrating, and
Speaker 1: I guess, to be fair, we don't know the reasons
Speaker 1: why he could have been practicing bad. But that's that's
Speaker 1: either here nor there. You know, you're talking about day two.
Speaker 1: I want to say, let's call late day two maybe
Speaker 1: a guy that you'd maybe draft in the fourth round
Speaker 1: that maybe had a third round grade on something like that.
Speaker 1: I think Paul sent a debo from Stanford's very interesting
Speaker 1: and he's a guy who I knew the name of
Speaker 1: coming from a couple years ago because he had a
Speaker 1: good year and he's like, Okay, he gonna come out,
Speaker 1: and he decided to go back to Stanford. They set
Speaker 1: twenty twenty out because of COVID. But like, we've got
Speaker 1: the linked you've got the ball skills you want, he's got.
Speaker 1: I mean, he really got good hands. He used to
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver, so that's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys used to be a wide
Speaker 1: receiver or have experienced playing wide receiver. But there's some
Speaker 1: catches he makes on interceptions, we're like, WHOA, what a catch.
Speaker 1: But he's physical with the line of scrimmage. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's pretty good tack We're willing to come out,
Speaker 1: come up and hit things like that. Has the size
Speaker 1: you're looking for and in an aggressive mindset that you know,
Speaker 1: he's got the rates of your stereotypical you know, big cornerback.
Speaker 1: He's not a twitchy guy, and I think that's the
Speaker 1: big thing that he kind of makes you stop and
Speaker 1: pause a little bit when you're watching a devo. To me,
Speaker 1: I didn't see the most fluid hips. But you know,
Speaker 1: he can sometimes get off balance if if he's going
Speaker 1: up against a shifty guy. But you know, the league
Speaker 1: also has a bunch of big, kind of stiff wide
Speaker 1: receivers and it's all about who can go make a
Speaker 1: play out a contested catch and things like that, and
Speaker 1: I think he's pretty good. I think he's pretty good
Speaker 1: in zone coverage as well. So he's a guy that
Speaker 1: I that I like. It's not a guy that I love,
Speaker 1: but he's a guy that I like, and there may
Speaker 1: be some value there because again, he set twenty twenty out,
Speaker 1: you know, four interceptions in twenty eight and in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Like he's got a good production track track record. He's
Speaker 1: got the link and that's probably his best trait right there.
Speaker 1: His length in his ball skills, I think you just
Speaker 1: have to ask how good an athlete is he compared
Speaker 1: to someone else and maybe what you're looking for at
Speaker 1: the cornerback position. He would also be a Dallas Day.
Speaker 1: He's a product out of Mansfield, went to Mansfield High School.
Speaker 1: You know such thing though, is there? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's official or not. No visits, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm right there with you. I think there's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be a Dallas Day, but would be a
Speaker 1: Dallas Day guy if you were. If there were such
Speaker 1: a thing. Now, Jeff, give me one of those names
Speaker 1: as well. Well. For me a debo, A debo I
Speaker 1: did somebody to give me the proper pronunciation. But I
Speaker 1: have him, I have him his cornerback eight, and I
Speaker 1: have him in the second round. Like I like him
Speaker 1: even more than people who like him, I guess. And
Speaker 1: I think he's a better athlete than a lot or
Speaker 1: giving him credit for. I just think he's kind of
Speaker 1: he looks kind of like one of those what do
Speaker 1: you call that high booty when you got kind of
Speaker 1: the long legs, your butts up high there. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: you know, if a guy you know makes a great
Speaker 1: break on an inn or out cut, it's going to
Speaker 1: take him just a little bit just because his legs
Speaker 1: are longer and he's got to get going. But I
Speaker 1: think he accelerates. I think he can change direction. I
Speaker 1: like him a lot. Let's see if you're talking about
Speaker 1: like third, fourth round. I guess my under the radar
Speaker 1: guys that I like are Schakur Brown at Michigan State
Speaker 1: and Thomas Graham at Michigan. But man, I like a
Speaker 1: debo better because you're talking about I think a scheme
Speaker 1: fit for what we think the Cowboys are going to run.
Speaker 1: What we think the Cowboys are going to do is
Speaker 1: run a bunch of cover three and in scenarios like that.
Speaker 1: I probably need to get more names in there because
Speaker 1: the names I really like to fit that are Kelvin,
Speaker 1: Joseph if yet To, melofon Wu at Syracuse, Newsome at Northwestern,
Speaker 1: because I think those are guys that I've seen play
Speaker 1: a lot of mixture between man coverage and cover three
Speaker 1: zone where you have a deep third and I try
Speaker 1: and a debo as well. So I think those are
Speaker 1: the names that are most interesting to me. Is at
Speaker 1: forty four. If I heard the name Kelvin Joseph, Paulson, Adibo,
Speaker 1: Melo fon Wu or Newsome, I think that those are
Speaker 1: good players that are deserving and being picked there, and
Speaker 1: I think they really fit what we believe the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to do defensively. That's with a debo. The
Speaker 1: ball instincts, it's undeniable. I mean, thirty four passes defense
Speaker 1: in twenty one starts is just remarkable ratio and that's
Speaker 1: something that teams are going to care about. So yeah,
Speaker 1: a debo's really really interesting. And I mean, you guys,
Speaker 1: I think some of them up perfectly. You know, he's
Speaker 1: leggy and so he's going to false step here and there,
Speaker 1: but he can you know, he's got quick feet. I
Speaker 1: think he can settle, redirect, do you do these things.
Speaker 1: One other name that I think should keep stay on
Speaker 1: the radar for this the Cowboys scheme and maybe what
Speaker 1: they're looking for maybe in that fourth round would be
Speaker 1: Keith Taylor out of Washington six two and a half
Speaker 1: hundred ninety pounds. I think he fits that scheme really well.
Speaker 1: And then also Benjamin Saints juiced from Minnesota, a Canadian
Speaker 1: who another tall, leggy corner who has a lot of
Speaker 1: traits that are appealing. And both those guys help themselves
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and have a chance to be
Speaker 1: in early day three range, maybe even pushed for more.
Speaker 1: I love it. Those are a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could potentially look at because they doubled up
Speaker 1: last year at corner, and like we talked about already,
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson barely could get get onto the field. But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there was one place you
Speaker 1: could double dip again in this draft. It's probably at
Speaker 1: the cornerback spot. So looking at both those first round
Speaker 1: corners and even some of those back end Day two,
Speaker 1: day three guys are going to be crucial for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys whenever they start making those decisions. But when we
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Speaker 1: There he goes, as always, Chris being doing fantastic work
Speaker 1: in the back end. Well, guys, we've got some really
Speaker 1: good ones to get to We'll start things off with
Speaker 1: Coope Gordon on Twitter. He hit me up and said,
Speaker 1: how does Oklahoma edge rusher Ronnie Perkins fit into what
Speaker 1: dan Quinn is trying to do in Dallas? Also, what
Speaker 1: do you think he will be drafted? Because he was
Speaker 1: dominant at OU last year? Katie any thoughts on mister
Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins. Yeah, Ronnie Perkins is an interesting cat right there.
Speaker 1: I almost think what Dane said on that he could
Speaker 1: go twenty five, he could go fifty five. Maybe I
Speaker 1: would extend that up to seventy five. Maybe. I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, I've got a third round grade on him.
Speaker 1: But he is a really good player. And if you
Speaker 1: talk to Oklahoma people, they will tell you that they
Speaker 1: were a way worse defense without him than with him.
Speaker 1: He had consistent production. I think he's the definition of solid.
Speaker 1: You know, five and a half sacks, then six sacks,
Speaker 1: and then five and a half sacks in his three
Speaker 1: years at OHU. Good hands, good hands player, good upper
Speaker 1: body strength, you know, really good get off and you
Speaker 1: know snap anticipation explodes off the line of scrimmage. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't call him stiff, but he's definitely
Speaker 1: not a Gumby. You know, he's not the most bendy guy,
Speaker 1: but you know he's a strong enough guy and he'll
Speaker 1: set the edge against the run and things like that.
Speaker 1: He's not the longest guys. I have him at sixty
Speaker 1: three two forty seven, but you know, I would say
Speaker 1: he plays like a two hundred and sixty five or
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five pound guy. You know, you
Speaker 1: look at the tape, you look at his body and
Speaker 1: guns that really is that really two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five pounds? Um? You do have a question with the
Speaker 1: drug testum. This is in twenty nineteen, he missed the
Speaker 1: Peach Bowl with five other players, including the running back
Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson, tested positive for a little THHC. But you know,
Speaker 1: oh no, hey, I'm not letting you know. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of ruling that I'm getting a free pass there, right.
Speaker 1: So you know, Perkins is an interesting name. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like keeping this from a cowblished perspective, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I'm totally interested in drafting him at pick forty four,
Speaker 1: but you start talking about if he's a guy who's
Speaker 1: there in the third round, then maybe. But I think
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see him slide up. I think
Speaker 1: people are gonna start paying a little more attention to
Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins, and wouldn't surprise me at all if he's
Speaker 1: taken in the first two rounds day. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's I grated him as a third um. I think
Speaker 1: he takes advantage of that slanting defensive system they use
Speaker 1: there at Oklahoma, and that really helped boost his production.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree with a lot of what Ktesi said.
Speaker 1: I think he's got heavy hands, he attacks the chest
Speaker 1: of blockers, he can stick staff, keep distance. I don't
Speaker 1: know how instinctive he is as a pass rusher. That
Speaker 1: that bothered me a little bit. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: see a rush plan, you don't see an arsenal of
Speaker 1: move and so you know it's going to take a
Speaker 1: little bit of development there. But I like the way
Speaker 1: that he'll use his forward lean to use his length,
Speaker 1: to use his power. He's very balanced in his movement,
Speaker 1: so he can get himself free from blocks, make plays.
Speaker 1: I mean, I see a potential starter either in a
Speaker 1: fourth three and a three to four. It's just yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously the failed drug test, you have to figure out
Speaker 1: what's going on there. You know, I don't. It sounds
Speaker 1: like a situation where he's really well liked in that
Speaker 1: locker room. Just you have to vet his off field
Speaker 1: decision making. So a third. I great him as a third,
Speaker 1: but you know if he ended up going top fifty
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a complete shock. All right, Jeff, I've got
Speaker 1: a really hot take topic for you on this next
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty question. So this is all for you.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for this answer. So Chris Staff on Twitter said,
Speaker 1: first off, he hopes everybody is safe and well. And
Speaker 1: the question is, let's assume, and I assume pretty much
Speaker 1: hope that Trey Lance is available at number ten. Of course,
Speaker 1: the quarterback out of North Dakota State, which team from
Speaker 1: twelve to twenty five is most likely to trade up
Speaker 1: to pick number ten with the Cowboys for him. And
Speaker 1: what would be a realistic trade scenario or do the
Speaker 1: Cowboys take him? Mister Jeff Cavanaugh, I can do this
Speaker 1: off the top of my head because I've played with
Speaker 1: this too many times on simulators. I've gone down to
Speaker 1: around twenty and then been really mad at myself for
Speaker 1: going down to twenty because all the names I wanted disappeared.
Speaker 1: So to me, the dream would be you go to
Speaker 1: fifteen and you get fifteen and forty six from New England,
Speaker 1: and since they're taking a quarterback, you may even be
Speaker 1: able to sneak out a little more. But and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take this back to what we were talking about
Speaker 1: with the cornerback class, I'm gonna have him in a
Speaker 1: certain order. But if you told me j C. Horne's
Speaker 1: going to have a better career than Caleb Farley, I'd go,
Speaker 1: all right, I believe you. And if you told me
Speaker 1: pick another one and it's gonna go that wayd go Okay,
Speaker 1: I believe you. So that would kind of be the
Speaker 1: dream to me. I think, as you go to fifteen,
Speaker 1: you pick up JC Horn and and now I got
Speaker 1: a corner that I feel about as good as I
Speaker 1: would have felt with either of the other top two corners,
Speaker 1: and I've got an additional pick right there in the
Speaker 1: middle of the second round. That's the dream trade of
Speaker 1: the quarterback fifteen and forty six. And if you can
Speaker 1: get more than that, great, But if not, I'm j
Speaker 1: C horning this thing all the way to the bank.
Speaker 1: I like that idea. I think that would be ideal
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys honestly if they didn't feel comfortable with
Speaker 1: one of those top two corners like a Sutana or
Speaker 1: a Farley. But kind of sticking with this, and you
Speaker 1: talked about trading back into the twenties. If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were to trade back into the twenties, Travis Ferguson on
Speaker 1: Twitter said, which later first early second round offensive tackle
Speaker 1: prospect would you like better if the Cowboys were to
Speaker 1: trade back to about the twenty mark is A Jalen Mayfield,
Speaker 1: Christian Derri Saw Leam Mikenberg out of Notre Dame, a
Speaker 1: VT or Alex Leatherwood out of those guys Dame? Which
Speaker 1: one would you like more if the Cowboys were to
Speaker 1: potentially trade back and have that nightmare scenario that Jeff
Speaker 1: just kind of talked about, but still have a chance
Speaker 1: at a young tackle. Uh. For me, no question to
Speaker 1: be Darri Saw out of that group. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I just think he's a guy that's you know, the
Speaker 1: body control, the feat that he has, the technique, the torque. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the way he shows up both in past
Speaker 1: protection and the run game. Uh, you know, he's he
Speaker 1: can manhandle guys in front of him. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot to like about Christian Dara saw and if he's
Speaker 1: if I have a chance at him, uh in the
Speaker 1: first I'm feeling good about that, especially after a trade down.
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting tackle group, you know. Like for me,
Speaker 1: Jalen Mayfield, I really like him. I think he's a
Speaker 1: better guard. Um, you know, like uh, you know, like
Speaker 1: Keevin Jenkins I from Oklahoma State really like him. I
Speaker 1: do question we'll be able to hold up at left tackle. Um.
Speaker 1: And so there's there's kind of questions with each one
Speaker 1: of these guys. And that's why you know we're talking
Speaker 1: about them as late ones, not early ones. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's a really really interesting group. H And real
Speaker 1: quick to go back to what Jeff was just talking about,
Speaker 1: i'd be I'm gonna press you on this, Jeff. Why
Speaker 1: j C Horn over one of the linebackers. Let's say
Speaker 1: every say none of the linebackers were drafted up to
Speaker 1: that point, so you have your choice of any of
Speaker 1: the linebackers at fifteen? Are you still going horn over
Speaker 1: any one of those guys? Plus when you consider you're
Speaker 1: almost guaranteed one of you know, Stokes Newsome, Joseph you know,
Speaker 1: all those corners we talked about in the first segment. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's a very very high chance at least one of
Speaker 1: them is going to be there for you at forty four.
Speaker 1: Does that influence your decision at all? At number fifteen?
Speaker 1: I don't trust Parsons. Here's my problem with linebacker. Tell
Speaker 1: me what they're doing with the other two on the roster,
Speaker 1: because in this scenario, I think you're talking about for me,
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Usu Cormoa, Nick Bolton, Michael Parsons all first round guys,
Speaker 1: J C. Horne, first round So I like them all.
Speaker 1: I'll figure out how to stack them later. But to me,
Speaker 1: I think cornerback is the more valuable position. So if
Speaker 1: I have a choice between guys that I consider close,
Speaker 1: I would air on the side of corner anyway. And
Speaker 1: that's without even factoring in that the Cowboys currently are
Speaker 1: going to run out Trevon Diggs, Anthony Brown and Oh.
Speaker 1: So like at linebacker, I'd have to create a hole
Speaker 1: to go fill that hole, which I don't mind doing
Speaker 1: with at least one of them on the roster. For
Speaker 1: being honest, Yeah, yeah, I feel I feel safer with
Speaker 1: JC Horn than any linebacker in this draft, and I
Speaker 1: love Coramoa, but I'm also projecting a move to will
Speaker 1: linebacker for a guy who didn't play in the box
Speaker 1: linebacker all that often at Notre Dame D Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's when you talk about these linebackers.
Speaker 1: I mean still like Parsons. I mean, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: as long as I'm comfortable with the off field stuff,
Speaker 1: which is something we're going to keep working through, as
Speaker 1: long as we're comfortable with his maturity, I think he's
Speaker 1: the best linebacker in his class. But I still really
Speaker 1: like Coromoa. And you know, it's just you have to
Speaker 1: have a plan for him, you know, because he's not
Speaker 1: a true safety and he's not a true linebacker. You're
Speaker 1: you're kind of doing a little bit of a mix
Speaker 1: and whether that means having a designated nickel position for
Speaker 1: him or whatever you're doing, if you have a plan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's worth that pick. He's so explosive. I think at fifteen,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, as as long as the current situation
Speaker 1: on the rosters figured out and we have a hole there,
Speaker 1: we have a chance to upgrade, and we take advantage
Speaker 1: of it. I think I'm leaning towards one of those linebackers,
Speaker 1: and then you know, not now it's it's because of
Speaker 1: those linebackers, not because of the depth of corner. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't hurt as well, knowing that, I feel really
Speaker 1: good about my second round corner options at forty four,
Speaker 1: So you know, it's this linebacker group is interesting. I'm
Speaker 1: still a big believer in person's talent. There's just there's
Speaker 1: so much there that, uh is high level stuff, and
Speaker 1: as long as you're comfortable with the person, I feel
Speaker 1: really good about the player. Katsie, I'm interested in your
Speaker 1: opinion on these linebackers and what the Cowboys would maybe
Speaker 1: potentially lean on doing, because I like what Jeff said
Speaker 1: about creating that hole, and I think we all kind
Speaker 1: of look at it and say, fifty four is the
Speaker 1: hole that they would have to create. WHOA man, I
Speaker 1: just I'm throwing it out there. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a Cowboy who we're going to replace if we
Speaker 1: draft four. I'm sure you do. I'm sure that's not
Speaker 1: who you weren't you were talking about. But Katie, any
Speaker 1: any potential there with the Cowboys and linebacker with the
Speaker 1: prospects that are at hand, I thought you were talking
Speaker 1: about Joe Thomas not coming back. I thought it was
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. Interesting, you know, on that right there again,
Speaker 1: I mean, I still have a second run grade on
Speaker 1: jac Horne. He's my third corner, but I have a
Speaker 1: pretty big drop off between Farley certain But in this scenario,
Speaker 1: it's important to remember that you have pick fifteen, pick
Speaker 1: forty four, and pick forty six, So I am a
Speaker 1: little more comfortable taking a linebacker there if it's the
Speaker 1: guy I like. We've heard the Cowboys are interested in
Speaker 1: Zavin Collins or at least like Xavin Collins. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't have him graded above. You know, Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: Coramella is my favorite player in the draft overall. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's my number one right player in the draft,
Speaker 1: but that's my favorite player of the draft. Just I
Speaker 1: love watching him play, and I personally, on my board
Speaker 1: would have him graded a little bit higher than Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons because we do need to find out a little more.
Speaker 1: And also the instincts of Michael Parsons are sometimes questionable,
Speaker 1: and it bothers me a little bit, like I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I hate being I hate having the idea
Speaker 1: of Okay, if I if I draft this guy, what
Speaker 1: do I do with him? Well, you're a smart NFL coach,
Speaker 1: you figure out what to do with him, right Like,
Speaker 1: So I'm taking the player I like. And if Coromoa
Speaker 1: is there and i'm taking I'm taking him at fifteen.
Speaker 1: Like that's easy. I wouldn't take Coromoa over Farley or
Speaker 1: Certan on this team unless some roster moves are made
Speaker 1: and then we can kind of go back and reevaluate that.
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at. I'm also a fan of
Speaker 1: taking linebackers late. I think you can get linebacker linebacking
Speaker 1: help on day three, you know, I think. And also
Speaker 1: there's a guy I need to ask you about, Dane
Speaker 1: because I don't have a ton of Michigan tamp unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Hey tell me about Cameron mcgrone. And I know he's
Speaker 1: only got like sixteen games on his ledger, But Cameron
Speaker 1: mcgrone from the little bit that I've seen on blipcam.
Speaker 1: Because I can't find any all twenty two and Michigan
Speaker 1: for some reason, and maybe we have some and I
Speaker 1: just missed it. Tell me about Cameron mcgron, the linebacker
Speaker 1: from Michigan, because he looks fun Yeah, he's really really,
Speaker 1: really really fast and he can run. He filled the
Speaker 1: shoes of Devin Bush after he left Michigan, and mcgrown
Speaker 1: stepped in and made a pretty quick impact as a
Speaker 1: as a sophomore. Biggest worry with him might be the injuries.
Speaker 1: He had an acl uh in high school and then
Speaker 1: had a pretty bad knee injury h late this past
Speaker 1: year against Rutgers. Um So, the health of his knee
Speaker 1: is gonna be pretty important. But this is a guy
Speaker 1: that can just he can. He could run all over
Speaker 1: at the athleticism, the instincts are are fantastic. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't play out in front, then he usually gets in
Speaker 1: trouble because he you know, he doesn't have necessarily the
Speaker 1: play strength that you want. Uh So, I think those
Speaker 1: issues are going to going to hurt him. Um So,
Speaker 1: you factor in the inexperience, the injuries that we're talking
Speaker 1: more a day three flyer, and you kind of hope
Speaker 1: he stays healthy and can get on the field. But
Speaker 1: the speed and his ability to do you know, trust
Speaker 1: his vision which lisnt to play even faster, is really
Speaker 1: really intriguing. I just hope he can stay on the
Speaker 1: field now. Kind of coming back to these these offensive
Speaker 1: tackles that we were talking about a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1: We had multiple Twitter on the twenty questions asking about
Speaker 1: later round deep or offensive tackles rather Connor Livesay, who
Speaker 1: we had some trip trouble with last time, he asked
Speaker 1: the question whole completely messed it all up. I have checked.
Speaker 1: This guy is indeed in the draft, But where is
Speaker 1: Deante Smith, the East Carolina offensive tackle going to end up?
Speaker 1: He said he doesn't love his tape, his traits, his versatility,
Speaker 1: and his senior Bowl We're all tremendous, though, So where
Speaker 1: does he make it? Does he make it to the
Speaker 1: fourth for Dallas and Dane? Are there any other offensive
Speaker 1: tackles late in the draft that the Cowboys could potentially
Speaker 1: get for some offensive line death? Well, yeah, this offensive
Speaker 1: tackle class is just it's loaded sacked. And last year
Speaker 1: we had five going to top top twenty, and it
Speaker 1: was very top heavy. This year it's you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have two, you know, maybe we get to three
Speaker 1: around there in the top twenty, but it just it stretches,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how we're gonna fit all these
Speaker 1: tackles in the top one hundred picks. In the third
Speaker 1: in the top three rounds. Uh. You know, because even
Speaker 1: after you get past Penny Sewell and Rashaun Slater and
Speaker 1: Christian dry Saw on Jenkins, you've got guys like Sam
Speaker 1: Cosmi and Leah Meikeenberg. I really like James Hudson at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: H Dylan Radens in North Dakota State. He's somewhere on
Speaker 1: day two. Walker Little from Stanford. We can't forget about him.
Speaker 1: He's been out of sight, out of mind after he
Speaker 1: had a really nice ches in eighteen season, hurt chess
Speaker 1: and nineteen and then opted out this past year. Brady
Speaker 1: Christian said at b YU, a little bit of an
Speaker 1: older player, but he's a he's a really solid left tackle.
Speaker 1: Uh So, I mean I just mentioned those are ten
Speaker 1: names right there, and all ten could go in the
Speaker 1: top one hundred picks, and so Deante Smith, I think
Speaker 1: you could make a case has top one hundred traits
Speaker 1: because you know, as as as Connor said, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you like six five, three hundred pounds and thirty five
Speaker 1: and a quarter in charms, really quick feet, and during
Speaker 1: seniorbal practices he held up verse power, he helped verse quickness.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, really helped himself, and so I think
Speaker 1: he's probably early day three, like somewhere in the fourth.
Speaker 1: But it's more because just you know, some of these
Speaker 1: tackles are gonna have to fall out of the top
Speaker 1: one hundred and he might be one of them. So
Speaker 1: the tape isn't amazing, but the foundational traits are there.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna take a chance on traits at
Speaker 1: the tackle position. Jontay Smith is is how it looks, um.
Speaker 1: And so if we're looking for other guys that could
Speaker 1: possibly be fits later on, uh, you know, Spencer Brown
Speaker 1: from Northern Iowa was a developmental guy. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's got a lot of tools to work with. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, Larry Boreham from Missouri as a Richard junior
Speaker 1: who came out is really raw, but he's got some talent.
Speaker 1: If you can get him a fifth or sixth round,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the type of guy you'd like
Speaker 1: to develop. So this tackle class is loaded from the
Speaker 1: top to bottom. It stretches really well, and so you
Speaker 1: can feel good about getting a tackle at different points
Speaker 1: of the draft. I want to add one more name
Speaker 1: just because I watched him last night and this is
Speaker 1: from Jeff's Oklahoma Sooners fifth round Adrian Elie office the tackle.
Speaker 1: I just like the way that he moved a little
Speaker 1: bit in the run blocking game, just like right tackle
Speaker 1: and hey man all the way over there, hit his
Speaker 1: targets on the left side of the field. I'd like
Speaker 1: to see him a big guys moving around like that.
Speaker 1: So oh in fifth round, not like in love or anything,
Speaker 1: but just a name throwing it out there. He's got
Speaker 1: starting potential. Yeah, that's that's a good name. You're throwing
Speaker 1: out offensive tackle names. How about we throw out some
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Speaker 1: kat Turner and Jeff Cavanall. And good thing we're talking
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks, because there's some breaking news straight from the
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Speaker 1: Carson Wins to the Indianapolis Colts in exchange for a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one third round pick and conditional twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two second round pick that could turn into a first league,
Speaker 1: sources tell Adam Schefter. So with that being, we were
Speaker 1: going to talk about these quarterbacks, but let's talk about
Speaker 1: kind of instant reaction from what was a former number
Speaker 1: two overall pick in the draft out of North Dakota State.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's a North Dakota State quarterback that's going
Speaker 1: to be taken in the top ten this year seemingly,
Speaker 1: and Trey Lance. But Jeff, what are your thoughts overall
Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia trade? As Carson Wentz is now a cult,
Speaker 1: I mean, Carson, the Carson Wentz part of it. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know how that's gonna play out, because
Speaker 1: that this year was a collapse that it's just so
Speaker 1: weird to see a guy who had shown a decent
Speaker 1: amount of ability to suddenly look like you couldn't play
Speaker 1: the position, and to blame it on the circumstances or
Speaker 1: the coaching or whatever, I think is garbage because they
Speaker 1: replaced him with a guy who's not an NFL quarterback,
Speaker 1: I don't think, and the team got better. So I
Speaker 1: don't know how to play out for Wentz. I think
Speaker 1: I look at as like the Eagles best chance to
Speaker 1: be a good team was for Carson Wentz. To rEFInd
Speaker 1: it because now I don't believe that they have an
Speaker 1: NFL starter on their roster at quarterback. So um, I
Speaker 1: guess my first thought is always, don't let them take
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Don't let them take a quarterback. Don't let
Speaker 1: them take a quarterback. I just hope that the Eagles
Speaker 1: take a receiver or a corner at six and think
Speaker 1: that Jalen Hurts is the answer, because I think if
Speaker 1: they do that, they're not a threat at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you don't. You don't draft a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: second round unless you really like them, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know the it just it was a fascinating pick
Speaker 1: when they made it, and it's even more fascinating now
Speaker 1: with the everything going on. I love this for the
Speaker 1: Colts to be honest with you. I mean it's not
Speaker 1: you're not giving up a lot. You're a third and
Speaker 1: a conditional two. Carson Wentz as a plenty of talent,
Speaker 1: and it's not a talent question. And we have to
Speaker 1: remember he's being reunited with Frank Reich, who when he
Speaker 1: was with the Eagles, that's that that's what helped unlock
Speaker 1: a lot of that talent for Carson Wentz and so
Speaker 1: reunite those two. It's a perfect fit for Wentz if
Speaker 1: he's going to get his mojo back, if he's going
Speaker 1: to figure it out, it's going to happen with Indianapolis
Speaker 1: and for the Colts, obviously Philip Rivers has retired. Okay,
Speaker 1: you need to do something a quarterback. They you know,
Speaker 1: they went after Stafford. They've been looking at their quarterback options.
Speaker 1: They're sitting there at twenty one in the draft. They
Speaker 1: don't feel great about being able to trade up and
Speaker 1: get one of the one of these rookie quarterbacks. They're
Speaker 1: a win now team. So I you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: overpay for Carson Wentz. I mean, I think you're talking
Speaker 1: about the potential hit rate here. I think it's it's
Speaker 1: a fair deal. So you know, I like it for
Speaker 1: both sides. Uh, you know the Carson Wentz side and
Speaker 1: you know the Colts what this could be for them.
Speaker 1: It's go for it, k oh It's it's the best
Speaker 1: possible fit for Carson Wentz because the roster does matter.
Speaker 1: M And I'm not a huge Wins fan, but the
Speaker 1: roster matters, and Brad Ballard is going to give you
Speaker 1: a better roster than what you were getting in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: at the time. We've seen that. And also, just for
Speaker 1: a fun fact, from O nine to twenty sixteen, of
Speaker 1: the twenty two quarterbacks selected in the first round, none
Speaker 1: of them were with their team that drafted them. So wow,
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. That's pretty fantastic. Good fun fact there, Katie,
Speaker 1: I like it. I stell it from someone on Twitter,
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, that's fair. Kind of going off of
Speaker 1: what Dane was talking about a minute ago, and Katie
Speaker 1: even jaff rather whenever you kind of talked about how
Speaker 1: this affects the Cowboys. It affects the Cowboys in a
Speaker 1: couple of ways. One was like, you said, is Philadelphia
Speaker 1: really going to be a threat? Are they going to
Speaker 1: take a quarterback with that sixth overall pick. That's one
Speaker 1: of the big questions. The second one is it takes
Speaker 1: a team away from you that may have wanted to
Speaker 1: trade up at ten and potentially get a quarterback because
Speaker 1: the Colts aren't going to go trade for a quarterback
Speaker 1: at this point, or at least seemingly that's the case.
Speaker 1: They're not going to try and trade from twenty one
Speaker 1: up to ten. So there's two ways that it's affected.
Speaker 1: The third one is does this give you pause? Like
Speaker 1: you said, Kati, that's a long stretch of time where
Speaker 1: that quarterback has not been with their team after being
Speaker 1: selected in the first round, and of course with the
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott situation. With these quarterbacks on the board, Dane
Speaker 1: put out his top ten quarterbacks in Top ten Prospects ranked. Again,
Speaker 1: that'll continue to change by everybody's means as the year
Speaker 1: goes along. However, does this give you pause any Dane
Speaker 1: about taking a quarterback at ten if the Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: get Dak Prescott on under contract. I mean, it's I
Speaker 1: just I can't envision a scenario where that's the case. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the Cowboys, you do your due
Speaker 1: diligence on these quarterbacks. You just you just never know. Um,
Speaker 1: there's there's always a chance, and so you do your
Speaker 1: due diligence and see if you fall in love with
Speaker 1: any of these guys. Um, you're just you're not even
Speaker 1: sure who's gonna be there at ten. There's there's a
Speaker 1: favorable chance that none of these, you know, the top
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks will even be there for you. So it's
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting uh you know, pecking order with these,
Speaker 1: you know, the quarterbacks after Lawrence. Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: some will say that, you know, Zach Wilson, uh, maybe
Speaker 1: has a chance to go above Lawrence, and that's get
Speaker 1: out of here. Come on, it's not happening. Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: is going number one. He'd be number one in a lot.
Speaker 1: He would have been number one last year over Borrow,
Speaker 1: he would he'd be going number one over a lot
Speaker 1: of other in a lot of other draft classes. Um,
Speaker 1: I trust me, no one. Um. You know, I've been
Speaker 1: on Zack Wilson since for a while, um and saying
Speaker 1: he's he was the number two guy this year. But
Speaker 1: he's the number two guy. He's not he's not pushing
Speaker 1: for one. It's just people are kind of running out
Speaker 1: of things to talk about when we talk about that. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know this, Uh with Justin Fields, Trey Lance, mac Jones,
Speaker 1: do any of those three really get the Cowboys excited
Speaker 1: at all? And I mean I still have a hard
Speaker 1: time envisioning this roster without Dak Dak Prescott, But you
Speaker 1: know they gotta do their due diligence and figure these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks out. Jeff. I mean, I think if they get
Speaker 1: two the draft and they haven't done a long term
Speaker 1: deal with Dak Prescott, how do I say it without
Speaker 1: name calling? If you don't consider or pick a quarterback,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're doing, because like the
Speaker 1: only way you're doing that is I don't know how
Speaker 1: you're assuming that, well, we're going to get a deal
Speaker 1: done because he's come so far in the process towards
Speaker 1: free agency that he's on the doorstep to it. So
Speaker 1: if you don't have something done by the time you
Speaker 1: draft and you don't figure out who's going to be
Speaker 1: your next quarterback, don't it would what would it be
Speaker 1: just blind ego that Jerry and or Steven would be like, Hey,
Speaker 1: don't worry, he won't leave us. He doesn't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you couldn't be in panic mode
Speaker 1: if Deck's not signed by the draft, because he's like,
Speaker 1: you're not tagging a guy for what is it fifty
Speaker 1: two or fifty four million dollars or whatever a year
Speaker 1: from now, and you're just going to trust that a
Speaker 1: quarterba Kittting free agency in his prime is gonna take
Speaker 1: whatever you offer him instead of whatever unrestricted free agency
Speaker 1: offers him, which will probably be some sort of NFL record.
Speaker 1: I think it's negligence if you don't pick a quarterback
Speaker 1: at ten, if you don't have a long term deal
Speaker 1: done with Dad Kathy, I would agree a quick housekeeping.
Speaker 1: That's a first round pick for the Eagles. If Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz plays seventy five percent of his snaps next year,
Speaker 1: that twenty two pick would become a first round pick
Speaker 1: for the Eagles. Or if the Colts make the playoffs
Speaker 1: and he plays seventy percent of his snaps, So it's
Speaker 1: basically all about his health. Yeah. Yeah, for me, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you're you gotta get a deal done with Dak and
Speaker 1: that's that's that's it. There's the end of story, because
Speaker 1: if you don't get that done, that's negligence. Before whatever
Speaker 1: happens at the draft. Get it done. It's that simple.
Speaker 1: But I actually got to make sure he's healthy and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So Jeff Kelly, what I feel about that? Sure? Now,
Speaker 1: kind of talking about some of these mid round prospects, Dane,
Speaker 1: tell me about Davis Mills because you kind of named
Speaker 1: him in order. We'll go through it one more time.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is number one, Zach Wilson by US, number two.
Speaker 1: Number three is Justin Fields out of Ohio State. Number
Speaker 1: four Trey Lance North Dakota State, who we've talked about already.
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is the fifth quarterback, and then at six
Speaker 1: is Davis Mills out of Stanford six foot four, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty five pounds. Tell me about what Davis
Speaker 1: Mills brings to the table and why he's above guys
Speaker 1: like a knee in Book and a Kyle Trask and
Speaker 1: a Kellen Want. He's really really interesting as a former
Speaker 1: five star guy who just couldn't stay on the field
Speaker 1: due to injuries. And so I think the health of
Speaker 1: his left knee is going to be really important just
Speaker 1: to you know, make sure that he can stay on
Speaker 1: the field and be healthy. But when he's out there.
Speaker 1: He looks really really really intriguing. You know, you've got
Speaker 1: a guy that can throw a touch and anticipation. He
Speaker 1: can throw at all three levels. He's got a big,
Speaker 1: loose body type. You know, it almost brings back just
Speaker 1: just the way he not not comparing them as players,
Speaker 1: but just the way he moves and that stand for
Speaker 1: uniform you see Andrew luck Out, there were just the movements. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's you know, because he's big and he's loose. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so I think he throws to the middle of
Speaker 1: the field really well, maybe the best middle of the
Speaker 1: field thrower in this draft. Um. And so I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot that's going for him. It's just can
Speaker 1: he stay on the field. And he needs time to develop.
Speaker 1: He's still figuring out the throws that he should and
Speaker 1: shouldn't make. Um. So there's some development needed there. But
Speaker 1: if I am looking for that developmental quarterback in the third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth round, uh, this is the guy. This is one
Speaker 1: of the few quarterbacks in this class that I think
Speaker 1: has future starting potential. Where you know, Kyle Trask good quarterback,
Speaker 1: but to me, he's a queer backup. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: Ian Book, I like him, but he's backup material. Mills
Speaker 1: is the one guy outside the first two rounds that
Speaker 1: I think could maybe actually become an NFL starter if
Speaker 1: he develops in some you know, certain areas. Anything about
Speaker 1: Davis Mills, No, I haven't launched him because I hate quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I agree with are there quarterback to you know what,
Speaker 1: like what we talked about if you know the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in the quarterback situation, if you don't get your guy
Speaker 1: at ten, this isn't one of those drafts where you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you take a flyer on a quarterback and you know,
Speaker 1: there's not many options in terms of developmental guys if
Speaker 1: you're looking for you know, if you if you're trying
Speaker 1: to find a quarterback in this draft, he's going to
Speaker 1: you know, start games for you down the road. You
Speaker 1: got to take him at ten. This draft class just
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of developmental options that you feel
Speaker 1: strongly about, uh, you know that could be potential starters.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to think about because the Cowboys will have
Speaker 1: to do that. Have you guys watched in terms of
Speaker 1: Katie and Jeff, have you watched the top six quarterbacks
Speaker 1: or top five quarterbacks at all? Or are you still
Speaker 1: not even to that point, yet, are you into panic
Speaker 1: slash preparation mode for dak Prescott and not being available.
Speaker 1: Not great question, Kyle. I've watched one hundred and thirteen
Speaker 1: defensive prospects. I've watched seven offensive prospects, so I hey,
Speaker 1: all offensive tackles one, two, three of them are Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've watched these quarterbacks play live. That's where I am
Speaker 1: with these quarterbacks. That's my form of silent protest to
Speaker 1: try to get this Dack deal done. Okay, I've watched
Speaker 1: the top five quarterbacks and I have them the same
Speaker 1: order as Dan does, except I would flip well, I
Speaker 1: don't have him close to the same order as Dan does.
Speaker 1: It's Trevor Lawrence. My second one is Trey Lance, then
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, then Justin Fields, and Jeff thought I something
Speaker 1: to be in one night. Boy. We are really disrespecting
Speaker 1: Justin Fields, and I can't wait for him to be
Speaker 1: really good in the NFL. All right, well him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Kat is throwing in a dude who hands the
Speaker 1: ball off twice for every time that he throws that
Speaker 1: played at North Dakota State over an Ohio State monster
Speaker 1: who lived up to everything he was supposed to be
Speaker 1: in college as one of the highest recruits of all time.
Speaker 1: Justin Fields has been nothing but be a stud And
Speaker 1: now we're just gonna throw in Mitch Trubisky in front
Speaker 1: of him, and we're just gonna throw in anybody we
Speaker 1: can find we like their traits. Man, people people get
Speaker 1: so upset when Justin Fields isn't the number two quarterback,
Speaker 1: number three quarterback, And I don't get it, Like he's good,
Speaker 1: but you know, so is Trey Lance, so is Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I I don't. I don't know why
Speaker 1: we're disrespecting Justin Fields just because he's he's not a
Speaker 1: top two quarterback in this class. He's really good. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of things to like about Justin Fields, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of question marks too there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a tough position to evaluate, obviously, there's
Speaker 1: so many variables. And with Fields when you really study
Speaker 1: a state, watch the Northwestern game, and you really start like,
Speaker 1: why is he make Why is he making that throw?
Speaker 1: Why is he you know, locked onto this read he
Speaker 1: won't even look at other guys. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: just so many things that make you go crazy when
Speaker 1: you watch him. That you know, it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's easy to like him, but there's also reasons why.
Speaker 1: There's there's there's question marks there, there's concerned there, and
Speaker 1: so it's it's a really interesting group of quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: everyone's got different orders. Watching Nebraska game too, say it's same,
Speaker 1: same type of field with the Northwestern game. There's a
Speaker 1: play he should have gone to Southern Alabama had a
Speaker 1: good year, and he'd be QB two for you. I got.
Speaker 1: We got a guy running wide open in the back
Speaker 1: of the ends of the Nebraska game and Justin Fields
Speaker 1: is looking at the ground and there's wide receiver's freaking
Speaker 1: out on him, like all of Kirk Cousins wide receivers do.
Speaker 1: Like like I like Justin Fields fine. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people watched him play against Clemson live and
Speaker 1: think he's God, and it's that's just not the case.
Speaker 1: Like he's fine, he's good. Look and I get the
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. I understand being skeptical. I was gonna bring
Speaker 1: this up though, Jeff. Jeff and I went and had
Speaker 1: some cold miller relaxed the other night at the bar,
Speaker 1: because we've been known to do that. We're double masking
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Of course good and Jeff was like,
Speaker 1: Jeff throughout the whole mac Jones thing, He's like, with
Speaker 1: this offense, mac Jones kind of just distribute the ball.
Speaker 1: I don't that's an opinion you want to bring to
Speaker 1: the draft show, Jeff, And I know you're not talking
Speaker 1: about taking him at ten, but you had a good point,
Speaker 1: like if you treat just imagine that the Cowboys wide
Speaker 1: receivers at the Alabama wide receivers and you can just
Speaker 1: be a point guard and distribute. I thought, I thought
Speaker 1: your point was fine. I thought, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: stir you guys up and get you guys fired up
Speaker 1: on a Thursday, because I haven't even studied the guys.
Speaker 1: I've just watched him all live. But mac Jones can
Speaker 1: read a football field and delivered accurate ball with a
Speaker 1: chance for yak. That sounds pretty good in Dallas. He's
Speaker 1: another guy it's easy to like because, yeah, he's accurate,
Speaker 1: he can anticipate. It's just you have to be okay
Speaker 1: with an very average athlete who has a very average
Speaker 1: arm when things aren't right on time. So you know,
Speaker 1: if he's in the right offense, Yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: can be a winner in this league. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: a fascinating group of quarterbacks that I'll bring something different
Speaker 1: to the table. One of my favorite parts of the
Speaker 1: Draft show is getting Dane Brugler a little bit riled
Speaker 1: up on one of the rankings. Back and forth between
Speaker 1: Justin Fields and Trey Lance and Jeff did a specially
Speaker 1: especially by someone who hasn't even studied them. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: even better. It makes it even better. I live in Ohio,
Speaker 1: so trust me, Ohio State fans, I'm not happy with
Speaker 1: me when they've not been happy with me for months
Speaker 1: after I put Zach Wilson at number two back in
Speaker 1: the fall. So it's I've just I've received a lot
Speaker 1: of it over the past few months. Now. I've got
Speaker 1: a mental image of Dane going to the grocery store
Speaker 1: and having dirty looks from draft fans across the aisle
Speaker 1: as they wear Ohio State Buckeye gear. I think that's
Speaker 1: something that would definitely happen. Go read Dane's top ten
Speaker 1: quarterbacks for the twenty twenty one NFL Draft. It's on
Speaker 1: the athletic great work as always, Dane, and can't wait
Speaker 1: to go through some of these different positions along the way,
Speaker 1: But that's going to do it for us here on
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