WEBVTT - Draft Show: Warming You Up With Hot Draft Takes 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:07.960 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.400 war room for in center news and draft analysis from 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.920 deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:21.079 in Frisco, Dallas Cowboys like TD Lamb and now your 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:27.160 hosts Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.559 It is a wonderful Thursday here from the s WBC 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:39.239 Virtual Mortgage Studios at the Star in Frisco, as the 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.839 Draft Show returns here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, as 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.040 we will continue to break down the NFL Draft April 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.760 twenty nine in Cleveland, Ohio. As we're now closing in 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.280 on sixty days until the draft is finally here, and 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.640 it is crunch time. As the Senior Bowls in the past, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.320 we're closing in on Pro days, lots of Pro days 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:59.760 to get to and we'll talk about that maybe a 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.640 little coming up here in the coming moments. But first 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.920 let me introduce the door normal Thursday crew. We've got 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.759 Dane Brugler from the Athletic, Jeff Cavanaugh one oh five 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.880 three the Fan, and the great Kevin kat Turner. Down 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.200 the road. I'm Kyle Yeoman's leading the way as always, gentlemen, 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.039 it's been a crazy week for a lot of you 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.320 and for a lot of our listeners at home. First off, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.320 I want to take some time to say prayers out 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.600 to everybody affected by the winter storm in Texas and 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.319 even around the country. Wanted to just kind of give 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:31.200 our thoughts and prayers your direction, because it certainly has 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.240 been a tough week. Jeff, you're doing okay over there. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.120 I see the bookshelf is looking alive and well in 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:38.600 the back. That's good. Yeah, I have not had to 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.320 sell the bookshelf, so that's really positive. I've been really fortunate. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.840 I have not lost power. I've decided it's because I'm 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.320 about a three wood away from a fire station. So 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.240 I have been very fortunate. My only mishap has been 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.440 brought on myself when I thought I could do laundry 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.040 and the drain was frozen. But now we got that hint, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.600 it's no problem, so I cannot complain. I have had 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.600 it very very easy. Tatsy, the same kind of thing 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.360 with you. You've been doing all right this week. Yeah, 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.160 I've been good. I only lost power once for like 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.120 thirty minutes. I keep thinking it's it's gonna happen because 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.000 somehow I escaped and and didn't lose power. And I 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:20.240 feel terrible even talking about it, because electricity guilt. I 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.880 have it too. Yeah, it's terrible. Uh it's and you 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.600 know what, it's not as bad as not having power. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.000 So I mean, I guess there's a part of me 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.639 that should just say, you know, count your blessings, but 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:33.560 there's another part of me that just I just feel 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:38.280 terrible for everyone. Um, I don't know, figure it out 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.880 on core. Yeah, it got an interesting week for sure 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.640 in Texas. But Dane, you're up in Ohio. How has 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.959 it been up on your neck of the woods. Well, 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.359 I mean, we've got snow everywhere, but you know, it's 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.480 we're used to this. We expect this every every winter. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.600 So it's it's freezing outside. Uh. You know, my wife's 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.840 a third grade teacher, so every night she's crossing her 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.560 fingers that no school the next day. But yeah, it's 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.280 it's a little different situation for us up here. It's 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.400 the same kind of cold, and you guys are just 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.280 kind of getting a taste of, unfortunately, what our weather 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.320 is for a couple of months during the winter months. Yeah, 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.440 we hate it down here. For sure. And by the way, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.160 everybody continues to stay safe, and we're gonna give you 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.400 a little bit of an escape from that because instead 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.320 of having the freezing cold temperature, we're gonna give you 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.680 blistering hot draft takes here over. How about that. It's 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.000 gonna be real hot up in here. Okay, it's gonna 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.280 be so hot. I'm thinking about doing a segment with 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.960 my shirt off. Oh okay, I mean, what you want 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.280 to do. I'm not gonna stop you, Jeff, But let's 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.120 go ahead and go into a hot topic among Cowboys 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.560 fans really throughout the course of the draft process, and 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.600 that's cornerback. Because I feel like lately we've talked a 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.280 lot about the defensive tackles. We talk about offensive tackle, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.760 even a little bit of edge rusher and linebacker. But 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.880 I don't know if we necessarily hit the corner as 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.440 much as we did when we first started the show, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.760 because back in the first couple episodes, it was almost 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.680 a foregone conclusion corner was going to be the pick. 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.040 Now that still could be the case Patrick's or Tankala Farley, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.320 j C. Horner all right up at the top of 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.919 the draft. But there's some really good corners throughout the 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.760 top ten of this draft, Dame, And I know whenever 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.599 it comes to you and you're looking at this, I 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.919 just want to kind of get your input. Now that 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.320 we're post Senior Bowl, we're getting into these pro days, 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.520 has there been any big shift among the top ten 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.359 corners and some guys that could potentially be wearing a 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.400 star on the side of their helmet. It's gonna be 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:44.120 a very tumultuous I maybe it's not the right word. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.640 They're a varied a lot of varied opinions going from 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.880 team to team, evaluated to evaluator. When you look at 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.880 this corner class, there's just so many different types of corners. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.400 When you I think the top two are widely believed 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.479 to be the the first two corners off the board 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.480 being uh Caitlin Farley and Patrick Surtan, But then after 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.599 that there's a lot of different opinions on what order 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.599 three through twelve is. I mean, it's crazy the amount 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:15.279 of different opinions. And I think the similar you know, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.159 you look at pass rushers like that this year wide 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.800 receiver after you get after the top three is kind 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.680 of like that corner. There's just a lot of different 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.080 types of corners based off of scheme, based off of 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.520 maybe with you know, size, speed, ball skills, whatever trait 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.880 that you prefer kind of being the strength of your corners. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.480 There's going to be different guys that you're going to want, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:40.000 so they don't expect a clean, uh you know order 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.200 from everybody in terms of the you know how these 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.080 guys are going to be drafted. You know, for me, example, 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.159 Greg news Amount of Northwestern He's my number four corner 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.120 in this draft. I finished his report earlier this week, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.080 and you know, I'm trying to place him. I'm like, 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.039 he's better than him. I think he's better than him. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:57.840 And I settled him at number four, and I think 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.919 there's a good chance he's gonna end as my cornerback 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.680 for after uh far releaser Tan jac Horn and then Newsom. 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.000 And there's so much to like about him when you 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.480 when you factor in the ball skills, you factor in 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.599 his coverage ability, uh, his ability. He's so intelligent with 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.320 the way he plays. He allowed only ten completions this year, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.160 only one was over ten yards. There's just a lot 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.080 to like about him as a corner, as an ascending 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.720 corner who's getting better and better so I'm very high 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.720 on Newsome. Uh and then after that, you know, it's 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.760 there's a lot of intrigue, you know, the the Georgia 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.760 corners for example, I know, you know, Jeff's not not 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.520 as high in the Georgia corners where I'm starting to 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.120 you know, I've got I'm leaning towards Stokes a little 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.040 bit just because there's there's so much working in his favor. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.720 Tyson Campbell bothers me because he just can't find the 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.599 football downfield and that's that's something that really bothers me 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.440 as a corner. And the more I stack up these corners, 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.960 the more I really you know, remember that and how 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.800 that that hurts him. So there's so many different directions 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.440 we go with this cornerback class. I'm eager to get 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:07.480 Katie and Jeff's input to this as well. So can 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.240 I just follow up because the Georgia cornerback thing is 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.720 It's funny that you mentioned that because I literally flipped 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.320 them yesterday. Yea. I have Stokes ahead of Campbell too. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.800 And the reason that I did that is as I'm 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:25.040 initially doing a position group and I've watched like fifteen 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.000 sixteen corners. Now as I'm initially doing it. I'll watch 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.240 a guy and I'll just throw him into like the 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.280 round group where I think, and then I'll watch the 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.120 next guy and I'll throw him in. And then as 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:37.960 there's more and more guys in each round, I'm just 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.680 kind of gut feeling like, all right, he goes there, 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.080 he goes there. And then eventually what I do is 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.960 I go back to my notes, and I'll find that 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.280 there are guys that you liked more when you just 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.600 read the notes, and there's guys that you liked less 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.920 when you just read back through it, and you're like, okay, 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.320 so those are in the wrong order based on my 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.720 own words. So let's get this fixed. The interesting thing 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.920 about the Georgia guys is there's so many ways to 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:06.600 evaluate this. Dane. I'll tell you that it's traits over production, 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.640 but production is a thing too. And on the Georgia corners, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.000 did you know here's a fun did you know game? 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.520 Tyson Campbell gave up more yards in the Alabama game 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.400 than Eric Stokes gave up all year. Wow, So you 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.240 know there is at some point where you go, Okay, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.200 Tyson Campbell is a little bit taller. He might be 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.760 a little more athletic, and so like, Okay, there's some 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.960 traits there, but Stokes has been a better player than 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.760 him their entire career. So like, I went through and 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.640 kind of reordered some things, and I still have them 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.520 both outside of my top ten. But I did talk 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.760 to a guy who does some evaluating for NFL teams 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.040 last night that has Stokes as a top five corner 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.360 that loves him, and that just goes to Dane's point. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.280 These guys are going to be all over the place. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:51.560 Neither one of them is in my top ten currently, 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.400 and that's just that's the way. It's that's the way. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.679 And Dane's guy knew him at Northwestern. He's my tenth 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.360 corner and I love him. I love him, and he's 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.760 my tenth corner. I have ten guys that I think 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.079 are worthy of being picked in the top two rounds. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.680 So that's where I am with the corner and my 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.320 number one corner, Caleb Farley. When I went back and 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.600 looked at the notes, I don't know if he belongs 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.760 as my number one corner. Wow, I really don't like 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.920 he's My notes on him are all about potential, but 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.040 he doesn't play much press man coverage. I don't think 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.000 that his tape is great in man coverage period. It's 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.240 a lot of man these athletic traits and the ball 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:34.120 production numbers and what could he be as opposed to 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.839 going through Sir Tan's notes and I'm like, that's pretty 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.760 much all positive. Jc Horn pretty much all positive, whereas 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.400 Farley it's like, hey, here's what he could be, and 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.280 so I might have to think long and hard about 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.880 that at the very top of the draft. So yeah, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.320 it's a it's a really fun group, and I think 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.920 it's a really deep and really good group, and you 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.120 could find I think a really good player at forty four, 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.800 maybe even in the third round. But yes, everyone's going 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.760 to be varied, and I know that I am varied 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.559 from what a lot of people think. There's no need 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.120 to make any hot chocolate after those hot takes from 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.920 Jeff shirts coming off Babe leaving on. I think the 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.720 demographic is mostly male, although shout out to our female 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.720 listeners at the Draft show and males who like males. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:25.160 Eric Stokes for me is my cornerback four. I have 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.679 two freas roungraded corners, Farley and then Curtan. I am 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.000 with you on that, Sir Tan might feel a little 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.640 bit safer. I want to go to Eric Stokes because 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.600 I think, you know, and I don't know what the 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.079 what the targets are compared to him and Campbell, who 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.120 it feels like watching the take, Campbell was definitely targeted 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:50.880 more like Noah. Stokes only allowed sixteen receptions this year. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.760 The longest reception he gave up was eighteen yards. And 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.480 to me, I think Eric Stokes is fast. Like everyone 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.760 talks about how athletic Tyson Campbell is and you can 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.839 see you can see the fluidity of Tyson Campbell, but 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.000 Eric Stokes is not. It's not like he's gonna go 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.719 run like. Eric Stokes has got a good chance to 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.800 run the four floors like the stream. He might run 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.920 the fastest forty in this drift. Wow. Yeah, both campbel 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.680 on Stokes. Campbell and Stokes, I believe are both hundred 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.080 and two hundred meters state champions in high school. They 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.160 can both. Stokes was a more of a track guy 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.720 in high school. He has he has some state titles, 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.840 uh in Georgia. So yeah, they're they're both gonna run 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.160 really really well. The thing about Stokes and it's completely 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.880 different from Tyson Campbell is you can just kind of 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.920 sits a little more feel of anticipating the route that 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.480 the wide receiver is gonna run, and uh, you know, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.040 understanding this receiver is about to break inside and he 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.400 gets a step ahead and he's carrying the wide receiver 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.840 inside and just little things like that that a little 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.360 more nuanced. And like the cornerback is a nuanced position, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:01.319 and it's okay to just put athletic guys out there sometimes, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.720 but that doesn't mean that they have a better feel 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.560 for the position. And you can easily see that with 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.520 Eric Stokes. So, I mean, he's been a top five 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.360 corner for me this entire process and that hasn't changed 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.200 at all, and I feel really good about that. You know, 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.439 from a Cowboys perspective, Does he get to your second 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.560 round pick at pick number forty four? Probably not. I 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.520 personally don't feel like he makes it that far. But 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.120 you know, we'll see what NFL teams feel like in 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.199 this kind of odd year of evaluating players. Well, and 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.480 Dane you pulling up Eric Stokes and saying that he 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.080 has the potential of running the quickest forty in the draft. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.920 I mean that reminds me of a conversation we've had 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.760 on the show previously about the Cowboys defense at about 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.600 how this defense just isn't fast enough and it seems 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.760 like that you can see it on tape. The defense 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.679 is by far not fast enough to keep up with 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.640 the defenses that we saw that made deep playoff runs. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.040 Is Eric Stokes that guy that defensively could potentially up 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.280 the defensive speed or are there other guys littered throughout 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.920 this group that could potentially add to that as well. Yeah, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.840 if you're looking for pure speed, then I mean Stokes 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.440 needs to be near the top of your list. I 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.840 mean he was a ten three nine guy in one 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.880 hundred meters in Georgia that that was a classification record 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.480 for him. So speed is not a question with him. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.880 Straight line speed. He's got an explosive trigger, and the 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.920 speed shows up recovery speed as well, so he can 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.480 regain positioning and make plays. So there's you know, there's 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.480 a lot when you look at Stoke and you see 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.960 how long he is, you see the speed. Uh. You 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.079 hear as coaches say things like he's coachable, he's intelligent. Um, 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.760 you know, he only gave up three touchdowns the last 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.600 three years at Georgia. So there's a lot of things 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.439 in Eric Stokes's favor, which is why you know he's uh, 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.360 you know, up there in the top five or six 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.440 corners for me, I'm still working through exactly where, but 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.080 you know, he might end up five right behind Newsom, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.280 so I have a there's a lot going for him. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.920 I think one of the toughest corners in terms of 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.400 just pegging where he's going to go. And then his 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.319 projection is gonna be Kelvin Joseph out of Kentucky, who 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.640 you know is he does not have a big sample size. Uh. 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.880 He was a backup as a freshman at LSU transfer 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.520 so he sat out to as a nineteen became a 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.920 starter at Kentucky and he started nine games. So we've 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.600 got a nine basically at nine game sample size from him. 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.600 And there's a lot of really good stuff on there. Um. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.440 You know, there's you see the athleticism, you see his 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.480 ability to pattern match. Uh. You know, he's rarely out 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.240 of phase because he's such a such a natural athlete. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.840 He's fluid, he's got that hip flip that you want, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:48.040 very loose, very sudden, um, big time athlete, but again, 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.360 the sample size is not there. You see some undisciplined tendencies. Uh. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.280 And then there's there's some off field stuff. You know, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.800 he obviously fizzled out pretty quickly at LSU. Uh. The 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:01.000 Kentucky coaches basically told him, hey, just leave, just go 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.360 opt out because you know, he was really not putting 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.320 in any effort. Towards the end of the season, he 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.160 was just kind of showing up, and so the coach 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.440 is basically pushed him out the door. So, you know, 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.880 there's there's a lot of things with Kelvin Joseph that 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.800 you know are get you excited, but there are all 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.880 some some some red flags there that teams have to 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.360 work through. He's gonna go somewhere top fifty, top sixty 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.680 because the talent is just too good. But teams are 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.600 gonna have to do a little more homework on him 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.160 just to figure out exactly what's going on with him. Uh, 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.160 you know, can you trust him as a professional, What's 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.720 gonna happen when he gets a contract? Things like that. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.640 So Kelvin Joseph's gonna be really interesting throughout this process. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.360 Do you think he's a guy that can make it 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.720 to forty four. I know you just said it's really 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.760 tough to chat where he's gonna end up going, but 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.000 I wanted to throw him in there. No, he could 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:47.880 go twenty five, he go fifty five. I mean it 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.640 could because again, there's there's a lot of he will 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.040 he will be not for everybody. A lot of teams 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.800 will say, we don't want the headache. Well, you know, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.400 we'll take our chances on this guy. Because, like we've 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.960 been mentioning all these different corners, there's so many of them, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.240 so you don't have to necessarily take a chance on 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:05.880 a Calvin Joseph. You know, you look at a guy 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.000 like Marcus Peters, who you know, he's got his own 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.560 different set of circumstances, but he's he's a Pro Bowl corner. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.200 He's on his third team already, and he's been in 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.240 the league, what four or five years, So you know, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.320 there's some teams that are gonna be willing to put 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.880 up with some of the stuff where other teams will not. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.040 So he's just gonna be a really interesting guy to 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.400 track throughout the process. Katie, is there a guy in 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.080 the Day two back end Day two, early Day three 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.320 realm a third or fourth round pick. Of course, the 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.040 Cowboys pick corner Reggie Robinson last year in the fourth round. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:38.760 Do you think they could do that again? Because I 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.920 know you tabbed Reggie Robinson from very early on in 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.520 the Draft show last year. I want you to do 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.000 it again for me. I want you to find a 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.320 guy in that late day to early day three realm 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.920 that the Cowboys could be interested in get him active 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:56.840 this time. Yeah, that's very frustrating that Reggie Robinson couldn't 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.520 get on the field last year. That's very frustrating, and 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.520 I guess, to be fair, we don't know the reasons 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.960 why he could have been practicing bad. But that's that's 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.639 either here nor there. You know, you're talking about day two. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.359 I want to say, let's call late day two maybe 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.360 a guy that you'd maybe draft in the fourth round 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.320 that maybe had a third round grade on something like that. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.160 I think Paul sent a debo from Stanford's very interesting 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.640 and he's a guy who I knew the name of 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.280 coming from a couple years ago because he had a 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:26.840 good year and he's like, Okay, he gonna come out, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.960 and he decided to go back to Stanford. They set 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.760 twenty twenty out because of COVID. But like, we've got 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.200 the linked you've got the ball skills you want, he's got. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.320 I mean, he really got good hands. He used to 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.000 be a wide receiver, so that's not a big deal. 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.160 A lot of these guys used to be a wide 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.080 receiver or have experienced playing wide receiver. But there's some 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.600 catches he makes on interceptions, we're like, WHOA, what a catch. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.800 But he's physical with the line of scrimmage. Yeah, I 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.800 think he's pretty good tack We're willing to come out, 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.639 come up and hit things like that. Has the size 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.600 you're looking for and in an aggressive mindset that you know, 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:04.240 he's got the rates of your stereotypical you know, big cornerback. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.879 He's not a twitchy guy, and I think that's the 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:09.879 big thing that he kind of makes you stop and 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.000 pause a little bit when you're watching a devo. To me, 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.800 I didn't see the most fluid hips. But you know, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.680 he can sometimes get off balance if if he's going 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.240 up against a shifty guy. But you know, the league 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.200 also has a bunch of big, kind of stiff wide 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.639 receivers and it's all about who can go make a 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.760 play out a contested catch and things like that, and 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.520 I think he's pretty good. I think he's pretty good 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.800 in zone coverage as well. So he's a guy that 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.240 I that I like. It's not a guy that I love, 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.439 but he's a guy that I like, and there may 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.160 be some value there because again, he set twenty twenty out, 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.160 you know, four interceptions in twenty eight and in twenty nineteen. 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.280 Like he's got a good production track track record. He's 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.920 got the link and that's probably his best trait right there. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.720 His length in his ball skills, I think you just 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.240 have to ask how good an athlete is he compared 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.359 to someone else and maybe what you're looking for at 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.120 the cornerback position. He would also be a Dallas Day. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.119 He's a product out of Mansfield, went to Mansfield High School. 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.760 You know such thing though, is there? I don't think so. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.840 I don't know if that's official or not. No visits, Yeah, 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.879 but I'm right there with you. I think there's not 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.320 supposed to be a Dallas Day, but would be a 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:15.760 Dallas Day guy if you were. If there were such 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.640 a thing. Now, Jeff, give me one of those names 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.560 as well. Well. For me a debo, A debo I 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.399 did somebody to give me the proper pronunciation. But I 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.679 have him, I have him his cornerback eight, and I 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.040 have him in the second round. Like I like him 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.399 even more than people who like him, I guess. And 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.240 I think he's a better athlete than a lot or 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.159 giving him credit for. I just think he's kind of 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.320 he looks kind of like one of those what do 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:42.960 you call that high booty when you got kind of 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.960 the long legs, your butts up high there. Yeah. So 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.040 you know, if a guy you know makes a great 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:50.639 break on an inn or out cut, it's going to 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.080 take him just a little bit just because his legs 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:55.960 are longer and he's got to get going. But I 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.119 think he accelerates. I think he can change direction. I 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.920 like him a lot. Let's see if you're talking about 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.399 like third, fourth round. I guess my under the radar 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.159 guys that I like are Schakur Brown at Michigan State 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:14.679