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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number six. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: everybody doing today, I'm wonderful, Derek. It's football Christmas, best
Speaker 1: three days of the year. Yeah. No, Like I mean
Speaker 1: I'm speaking only for myself, like yeah for him, for him,
Speaker 1: not for us. People are always like like really like
Speaker 1: I enjoy the draft more than like any game, more
Speaker 1: than trading games. Absolutely, yeah, games are stressful. Draft is
Speaker 1: fun just yeah, yeah, studying all hundreds of face but
Speaker 1: just because the game, like what does it mean? It
Speaker 1: means you lost, or it means you won. Drafting Laton
Speaker 1: Vanderesh in the first round doesn't mean anything for the
Speaker 1: next two or three years, So it's hard to It's
Speaker 1: fun to say all right, all this work and just
Speaker 1: say like I got it, but like I still don't
Speaker 1: know what it means, and I just I think it's
Speaker 1: funny how people are gonna be like pissed off, like
Speaker 1: I hate this draft, like you don't know anything what's
Speaker 1: happened yet. But that's what I just think, it's just incomplete.
Speaker 1: But but see, I think that's probably why I think
Speaker 1: it's so much fun, is it's just it's just a
Speaker 1: big information gathering session and that's the most rewarding part
Speaker 1: about it for me really. I mean, it's fun talking
Speaker 1: about what the Cowboys are gonna do and we have
Speaker 1: an idea of who they're gonna pick, and we get
Speaker 1: to see how it works out. But like, if you
Speaker 1: do this for enough time, you just know the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like you're just like I got a baseline of information
Speaker 1: about damn near every football player in the NFL because
Speaker 1: I studied them during the draft. And it's a ton
Speaker 1: of fun to just be like, that's that guy, that's
Speaker 1: the dude that I loved in the third round that
Speaker 1: the Bengals snatched. Good for them, you know that type
Speaker 1: of thing. It's just fun. It's actually one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I wish I have more time to really devote
Speaker 1: to learning the draft, because you're right, you get a
Speaker 1: you get an understanding of the entire league, every player
Speaker 1: in the entire league, even the random guy that's playing guard.
Speaker 1: In Jacksonville. You kind of got an idea about him
Speaker 1: because you you watched him during the tree always joke
Speaker 1: about how like you know, two people just blow nick up.
Speaker 1: Every time there's a flea flicker, like every time, like
Speaker 1: the good and the bad. Like every time Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: does something, people are like you, you were right about him.
Speaker 1: You loved him so much, you loved debo, you would
Speaker 1: have drafted him in the first round. And then to
Speaker 1: this day, every time Lakwan Treadwell does anything, which is
Speaker 1: not often, they're like, you wanted to draft him in
Speaker 1: the top five, you big dumb idiot. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I sure did. Yeah, that's true. You're gonna be right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be wrong. It's fun. I love it. All right.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the pre draft press So that happened yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jerry and Steven and UH and coach McCarthy up there
Speaker 1: and they were answering lots of questions and we covered it.
Speaker 1: But there are some different things that came out of
Speaker 1: it I wanted to talk about. Let's start first with
Speaker 1: a quote that Stephen made. He was talking about about
Speaker 1: the drafts particularly, and he said that the draft this year,
Speaker 1: the depth is really found in the thirteen rounds three
Speaker 1: through five, he says. He went on to say that
Speaker 1: he expects it they'll have roughly fourteen to sixteen first
Speaker 1: round grades, which again just for those that don't know,
Speaker 1: typically teams don't have a full thirty two players who
Speaker 1: are first round who have first round grades on them,
Speaker 1: and just because it's their draft in the first round
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they have a first round grade. But he
Speaker 1: did say fourteen to sixteen, it's a little less than
Speaker 1: what they would typically have. That being said Dave nick Amber,
Speaker 1: from what you guys have seen of draft prospects, you
Speaker 1: agree with that assessment that really the depth of this
Speaker 1: thing is really in those middle rounds. That's a nice
Speaker 1: way to say it's an average draft. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just there's not a lot of great players, but
Speaker 1: there's some good players. That's where you're gonna take these guys.
Speaker 1: It also is a good way to say that there's
Speaker 1: they're probably all over the board officially, there's a team
Speaker 1: that has twenty five first round either grades. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just different. It's just the way they evaluate them differently. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: my number one reaction is like they're always going to
Speaker 1: frame it in a way that sounds good for them,
Speaker 1: because I immediately thought he's like, yeah, rounds three to five,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, you mean the rounds. You have
Speaker 1: six picks in those rounds, right, cool. So of course
Speaker 1: you think it stacks up well for you because that's
Speaker 1: where what you have to work with. But the consensus
Speaker 1: on this draft is, yes, it is lacking in sexy
Speaker 1: star power in the first twenty picks. Like you know,
Speaker 1: you think about recent drafts twenty sixteen, obviously, even twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen where there's just all like you go down the
Speaker 1: top twenty and you're like, oh my god, like he's
Speaker 1: an all pro. He's an all pro. I think the
Speaker 1: consensus is like, it's short on that. But then really
Speaker 1: starting around where the Cowboys pick, like, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a huge difference between pick twenty and pick sixty. No,
Speaker 1: that's what it's like. And Stephen said that too, which
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting, is they have more good second
Speaker 1: round grades than ever before, like or more than usual,
Speaker 1: we'll put it that way. So they might have as
Speaker 1: many as like two dozen guys where it's like not
Speaker 1: quite a first rounder, but we feel good about him
Speaker 1: in the second round, which is exciting when you think
Speaker 1: about the third round and even the fourth round. Like
Speaker 1: some of those guys tend to hang around. So I
Speaker 1: do think that's right, but it's also convenient for them
Speaker 1: that they feel that way. Yeah, I wasn't. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say I was. I didn't necessarily like hearing that comment, which,
Speaker 1: if he's being honest about you know, Okay, these are
Speaker 1: fifteen first round grades that we have in our list
Speaker 1: right now. But then when you hear comments, I like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't have any musks. We don't our hands are
Speaker 1: not tied to picking a specific position in this draft.
Speaker 1: So then IM we'll get to that. And yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure we will. But just kind of looking into all
Speaker 1: that and putting it all together, I'm like, Okay, first
Speaker 1: of all, I do think you kind of do based
Speaker 1: on your necessities. But then hearing that you have around
Speaker 1: fifteen guys, I'm thinking, okay, that limits you even more.
Speaker 1: You know, you already have a certain limitation based on
Speaker 1: your needs. Now you're talking about there's only a certain
Speaker 1: group of fifteen guys. Yes, you can possibly trade up
Speaker 1: and all that, and we'll see what actually happens tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But it's just like another aspect that wasn't like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's great to hear. I would like to hear, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a bigger quantity of guys, which doesn't usually happen anyways.
Speaker 1: But the quarterbacks, there's no quarterbacks that are that are
Speaker 1: anybody really want to go get And you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: there might be some in the first round, but I
Speaker 1: bet you not a team in the league has a
Speaker 1: first round grade on a quarterback. Well then that's not
Speaker 1: to say they won't get drafted in the first round,
Speaker 1: but I bet you nobody has a first round and
Speaker 1: that's that's pushing people down. You know, if I've ever
Speaker 1: seen that in NFL drafting, I remember that like the
Speaker 1: year where there were no well I didn't want the
Speaker 1: year I got here. Twenty thirteen is famous for how
Speaker 1: bad the quarterback class was. I think A. J. Manuel
Speaker 1: was the first one taken, and he all the way
Speaker 1: down at like sixteen. Yeah, y, I'll pull it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, it happens every now and a year
Speaker 1: to be twenty four when you hope that there's four
Speaker 1: or five quarterbacks and you hope that there's teams that
Speaker 1: want to trade up to get that quarterback and you
Speaker 1: don't need a quarterback, you don't need perfect yeah, which
Speaker 1: that's we do this all every year. We're like, you
Speaker 1: need those quarterbacks to go because that's gonna push players
Speaker 1: down to you. And you never know what might happen
Speaker 1: because teams do stupid stuff with quarterbacks all the time.
Speaker 1: But like, I think you can't count on more than
Speaker 1: one quarterback getting drafted before the Cowboys pick. It might happen,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you can count on it. You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things that when he said that, that
Speaker 1: jumped out to me and Nick, you and I are
Speaker 1: talking about this a little bit yesterday, and I think
Speaker 1: you have a little different spin on it. But it
Speaker 1: made me wonder because there are only fourteen sixteen first
Speaker 1: round grades for them, and because the real meat of
Speaker 1: this draft, as he was saying, really can't in round
Speaker 1: three to five. It makes me wonder if they would
Speaker 1: consider packaging those first and second round picks to move
Speaker 1: up in the first round to get a better player,
Speaker 1: one of those players that they think really is has
Speaker 1: a first round grade and for go maybe one of
Speaker 1: those second round guys, because again, as you said, Dave,
Speaker 1: some of those second round guys that they have second
Speaker 1: round grades on will likely drop to the third. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're in the fourth. You might still be able to
Speaker 1: get them later, but you can get a better top player.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think, did you take anything from
Speaker 1: what he said about maybe what their strategy could be? Well,
Speaker 1: can we have the conversation about him saying that there
Speaker 1: are no musts? Yeah, I think that. I think that
Speaker 1: ties into it because I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: most blatant lies I've ever heard at a pre draft
Speaker 1: press conference. Like I was joking with Nick after it
Speaker 1: was over. If I walked into the war room and
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, y'all don't have any musts, so we're
Speaker 1: just not gonna pick this year like you're from, Like
Speaker 1: they would freak out and be like, absolutely not, Like
Speaker 1: we need players, We got stuff we gotta do. And
Speaker 1: so the reason I say that is, how can you
Speaker 1: afford to package good picks again in a draft where
Speaker 1: you think there's gonna be quality in rounds two and three?
Speaker 1: How can you afford to package that to address one
Speaker 1: position when there's probably four that you gotta do something
Speaker 1: about in this draft? Well, it was my second round pick. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sorry. I think I lost one last year.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I think right now. I think
Speaker 1: I've lost my second round. You at least have to
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, you have to assume that that's
Speaker 1: a possibility. So I can't. I can't waste another pick.
Speaker 1: And I get it that, you know, but but to
Speaker 1: move up for a number of like sixteen seventeen, I
Speaker 1: mean that's still kind of a crapshoot as well, Like
Speaker 1: I can't do that. But I'm gonna say this about
Speaker 1: the must. Are we one hundred percent sure that he
Speaker 1: wasn't referring to first round must. I mean, they've got
Speaker 1: to get a guard, they've got to get a receiver
Speaker 1: at some point. Was he saying that there's no must
Speaker 1: for us, like right, that would make a lot more
Speaker 1: sense to me, Like that would be he didn't say,
Speaker 1: but that would be to me, that would be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I get that, but but yeah, no, I mean positions
Speaker 1: that they still have exposed. That's why it all seemed
Speaker 1: a little weird too. I'm reading the transcript. He said
Speaker 1: this is verbatim. I wouldn't say we have any must's
Speaker 1: left in terms of having to take a particular position
Speaker 1: at some point. The phrase at some point implies anywhere
Speaker 1: in the draft, anywhere you just can't not have an
Speaker 1: offensively you have to draft two offensive linemen. Well, if
Speaker 1: you had told Stephen Wright and now you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I've been to the future, the drafts over and you
Speaker 1: didn't get an offensive lineman, his face would turn white.
Speaker 1: He'd be like, are you serious? Like, unless unless there
Speaker 1: are free and we talked about this last week on
Speaker 1: our show, unless there are free agents that are still
Speaker 1: out there that they're like, we could go sign that
Speaker 1: guy tomorrow if we choose to, and he can he
Speaker 1: can play the role that we need him to play
Speaker 1: for this exactly. So, So if that's the way they're
Speaker 1: looking at it, and they're saying, hey, we think we
Speaker 1: got some vets out there that we can go get
Speaker 1: tomorrow if we need to, that may be the wonderful
Speaker 1: vote of confidence that you've left them sitting out there
Speaker 1: unsigned for six weeks all the offseason program has started
Speaker 1: on and the rest of the league is also, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a wonderful I'm not saying I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: that's actually what it is what I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: would be the only way that that that statement makes
Speaker 1: a lot of case to me, as if they already
Speaker 1: know we got to back a plan. And this goes
Speaker 1: back to what I've said for years, and I absolutely
Speaker 1: hate this press conference because we're over here talking about it,
Speaker 1: and in reality is if Steven would have said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have some must I think you guys know what
Speaker 1: they are. There's a couple of positions that we have
Speaker 1: to take, probably in the first round. Yeah, never say so.
Speaker 1: Then when Kenyon Green and Zion Johnson sitting there at
Speaker 1: twenty two and twenty three and some team in the
Speaker 1: back is like, we want this guard. I mean the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We know they're gonna take a guard. We better jumped them.
Speaker 1: So that's what this whole I mean. Yeah, which I
Speaker 1: get it. I'm not I'm not I'm not offended. I'm
Speaker 1: not offended at being lied to. But I've still got
Speaker 1: to call into all those specifics. You can just say, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have some must like every other team every year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are positions. God bless Yeah. You have to have
Speaker 1: seen the YouTube video of Brian right Brian Broh when
Speaker 1: Brian ran the Eagles draft, like he did one of
Speaker 1: those pressers and like they cut they they asked him
Speaker 1: that type of question. He was like, you guys know
Speaker 1: what we need the fans know what we need to
Speaker 1: like it's not a secret, which is in that quintessential.
Speaker 1: He would always do that on the show too. You
Speaker 1: watch that, you you see you know? Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this question. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this is what it is, but I do have
Speaker 1: to ask the question. Do you think that maybe in
Speaker 1: their minds they are looking at McGovern maybe Farniac, I
Speaker 1: don't know, are they looking at guys that are currently
Speaker 1: on their roster and giving them more credit than we
Speaker 1: give them because they've seen them last year. They have
Speaker 1: a different opinion maybe than we do of them. Of course,
Speaker 1: of course they are. I mean they do. I mean,
Speaker 1: especially at the center, you know, like they have a
Speaker 1: different opinion of be honest than I do. They have
Speaker 1: a different opinion opinion of UM and I think they
Speaker 1: have a different opinion of what that position is because like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they had a had a much better thought. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got ball sitting out there. We don't know what
Speaker 1: he is. I have no idea what he is they
Speaker 1: may look at him and say, he's our swing tackle.
Speaker 1: We think he can be our swingtack. Who knows. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that has to be factored in here as
Speaker 1: far as how they look at it, because they're ultimately
Speaker 1: the ones that are answering those questions and they may
Speaker 1: have a different opinion to those guys. Yeah, or which
Speaker 1: maybe or also behind closed doors, they're like, somewhere between
Speaker 1: pick twenty four and one twenty nine, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: somebody to come in here and compete for this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're not going to say that to us, right,
Speaker 1: It's fine. Do you think that maybe they are looking
Speaker 1: at the old and again, they're not dumb. They they've
Speaker 1: been in this business for years and years and they've
Speaker 1: gotten the success that they've got in the past and
Speaker 1: all that, so they have the experience and their knowledge.
Speaker 1: But do you think that maybe they're looking at the
Speaker 1: old line differently than how we are looking at them
Speaker 1: based on the soul reason that last year their offense
Speaker 1: was still able to perform at a certain level with
Speaker 1: the guys that they had at the time. I mean
Speaker 1: right now they lost, Uh, yeah, they don't have oh
Speaker 1: my god. Aside from Connor Williams le Collins either. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how I'm trying to
Speaker 1: phrase this question. But do they see it just differently
Speaker 1: given the fact that they produced so much last year
Speaker 1: versus how we see them that it's like, Okay, your
Speaker 1: passing game obviously needs it, your running game obviously needs it,
Speaker 1: and we see it at a much higher level of
Speaker 1: priority at this time. There's sorry, go ahead. There's just
Speaker 1: no way that they could think that unless they're delusional,
Speaker 1: because a like, the reason the second half of the
Speaker 1: season was nowhere near as good as the first is
Speaker 1: because their running game completely fell off a cliff because
Speaker 1: they couldn't block anybody, and then and because Zeke was
Speaker 1: hurt but whatever, and then the last impression we have
Speaker 1: of this team is a better offensive line that had
Speaker 1: Lyell and Connor Williams, who you can't tell me McGovern's
Speaker 1: better than because they tried to bench him and put
Speaker 1: him back. So stop better offensive line with two better players.
Speaker 1: Our last impression is of them getting mauled by the
Speaker 1: type of team you have to beat in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: like absolutely destroyed. Dak was sacked five times. They couldn't
Speaker 1: run the ball. What else do you need to say? Like,
Speaker 1: if that's how they feel, they are in some serious
Speaker 1: denials differently. And that's the part that that you're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out is are they just lying just because
Speaker 1: is it a lie and they know it's alive because
Speaker 1: they have to do that before the draft, slim char
Speaker 1: or or or is it the situation where they really
Speaker 1: believe that? And then you're trying to figure out why
Speaker 1: would they believe that? And that's where you're kind of
Speaker 1: left pulling straws, like what what do you think could
Speaker 1: possibly be here? No, I've I've referenced this ten times
Speaker 1: in the last few days. I'll do it again. I mean,
Speaker 1: they told us that running backs is not not valued
Speaker 1: very high in twenty sixteen. You can't take running backs
Speaker 1: this high. And then they three days later, So this strategy,
Speaker 1: I mean, coit is like a nice way to say it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they lie. They lie three or four times
Speaker 1: in that Jerry said that in the past, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure to the media like if my mouth is moving around,
Speaker 1: jaff time, I might be lying. It's part of the game,
Speaker 1: part of Jerry. Actually he did. There was an element
Speaker 1: of truth in some of the stuff he said where
Speaker 1: he was like, we chum the water at this time
Speaker 1: of year, that's what we do. We're stern, I almost
Speaker 1: said a bad word. We're string stuff up. So it's
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, every every team in the league
Speaker 1: is doing and that's these last like this last week
Speaker 1: is really it's frustrating as somebody who starts talking draft
Speaker 1: in like December, this week is frustrating because this is
Speaker 1: when everybody's doing that. Like everybody's chumming the water. Everybody's
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish this, that and the other, and there's
Speaker 1: more media attention than ever. So you almost just need
Speaker 1: to tune this week out and be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's just get to Thursday and just see what actually happens, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take our first break when we
Speaker 1: come back. We got some status updates. They did talk
Speaker 1: about Michael Gallup. They also talked about Kelvin Joseph. We
Speaker 1: want to hear what's going on with them and what
Speaker 1: their thoughts are and where they are as far as
Speaker 1: coming back, and Calvin Joseph in his situation that's going
Speaker 1: on with the police. Will talk about that when we
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is the second segment of the break
Speaker 1: lifing s WBC Mortgage Studios at the start. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna use this read in the second break, Nick,
Speaker 1: but I do want to mention that tomorrow if you
Speaker 1: if you're having an opportunity, you're gonna do that. I'll
Speaker 1: hold it, I'll hold we'll talk. Well, you can do
Speaker 1: it twice. I mean, I mean this read will take
Speaker 1: an hour, So go ahead. Talk about the star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves just nice little ribs shot to somebody whoever
Speaker 1: wrote that. There's a lot going on. That's why it's
Speaker 1: a long read. Yeah, I'm not gonna say all that's
Speaker 1: going on. I'm just gonna say, if you're gonna be
Speaker 1: in the area, go check out the draft party. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be happening out here at the start of Mar.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a really cool event. Should be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. You might even see some some local celebrities.
Speaker 1: I mean, just like you know people that work on
Speaker 1: our staff. There's about twenty players too that they're gonna
Speaker 1: sign some autographs. So and after COVID like his first time,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have that kind of real opportunity and get
Speaker 1: up and close and personal with players. So get a
Speaker 1: chance go check it out. Whether it should be good,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be out on it should be nice. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get back to it. Let's get some status updates.
Speaker 1: They talked about about both Michael Gallup and Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: Let's start with with Michael. Where's Michael right now in
Speaker 1: his rehab still rehabbing, Like, I mean he's not ready
Speaker 1: to play football and he's not supposed to be. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: they're Mike. Mike McCarthy's specific words were like, when we
Speaker 1: get to training camp, will have a clearer idea. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna This is conjecture for me, but just
Speaker 1: reading context clues. And I walked past Michael in the
Speaker 1: training table the other day, I was like, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be like part of OTAs or anything. That's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Um, But like the rehabs going well, and
Speaker 1: they've been saying this whole time, like maybe he'll be
Speaker 1: ready at some point in training camp, maybe to extend
Speaker 1: into the season. I don't I don't know if they
Speaker 1: actually know right now. Yeah, so I don't think they're
Speaker 1: expecting him, but expect him for the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: He's he's he's on pace with what they projected for
Speaker 1: him for the time being. Yep, I would imagine. I
Speaker 1: still don't think he'll be ready for the start of
Speaker 1: the season, and I think he'll end up on pup actually,
Speaker 1: which is he'll be out six weeks. He could be
Speaker 1: out six weeks. I mean that's what I think. That's
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario. Yeah, and so, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think we'll get a better idea, too, of of
Speaker 1: what that situation looks like based off of the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. You guys might disagree. I mean,
Speaker 1: just just taking a receiver in the first round doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that they don't feel comfortable with with with
Speaker 1: what Gallops rehab is, because I mean this is a
Speaker 1: five year commitment. Yeah. Oh no, I don't think that
Speaker 1: has anything to do with it. They need a receiver
Speaker 1: because look like, look a look at the makeup of
Speaker 1: their core and like in the short and long term, like, yes,
Speaker 1: Michael might miss some games, but also Noah Brown's on
Speaker 1: a one year deal. James Washington's on a one year deal.
Speaker 1: Somehow CD is already inching into the back half of
Speaker 1: his deal, so they just you just gotta keep replenishing
Speaker 1: that thing. Yeah, and I think that, you know, I
Speaker 1: think a second or third round receiver could still come
Speaker 1: in and help this team it better because you're asking
Speaker 1: right now, you're asking Noah Brown, Semi Fihoko, and James
Speaker 1: Washington to help this team. So a second or third
Speaker 1: round receiver should help. And I think that they can.
Speaker 1: I don't know if a second or third round guard
Speaker 1: immediately comes in as better. I don't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at it. This league is littered
Speaker 1: with second and third round wide receivers who are extremely
Speaker 1: productive so fast. Yeah, yeah, they're opportunities. You can find guys.
Speaker 1: You can find guys a wide receiver in the second
Speaker 1: and third rounds that can contribute to your team. I like,
Speaker 1: I think about twenty eighteen was so perfect for them,
Speaker 1: Like they found Mike get eighty one. I'm dubious that.
Speaker 1: I'm dubious that a receiver as good as Michael Gallup was.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about who he is now, but even
Speaker 1: what he was like Michael was. They didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of receivers in twenty eighteen either, but he was
Speaker 1: a rookie starter as a third round pick, which even
Speaker 1: when they're even when it's a thin receiver corps, that's
Speaker 1: still pretty impressive. I don't know if there's a guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a guy that good at
Speaker 1: eighty eighth this year, Like, but you think they they
Speaker 1: because you got you gotta also factor in the situation
Speaker 1: they're coming into. They're not being asked to be the
Speaker 1: top guy. Yeah, they're asking to be a complimentary guy.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I mean, if if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you don't need him to be the dude from
Speaker 1: the get and you do have CD and you'll have
Speaker 1: Michael at a certain point, but I don't I start
Speaker 1: to get nervous about the depth of the receiver class
Speaker 1: after the second round. Me personally, here's here's my prediction
Speaker 1: on Friday Night. I don't think they take a receiver
Speaker 1: in the first round. I think they take a receiver
Speaker 1: in the second or third round. And I think he
Speaker 1: is a slot guy and definitely a punt returner. And
Speaker 1: my prediction is Steven Jones is gonna tell us or
Speaker 1: Will McClay who's up up there. We feel like this
Speaker 1: guy could come right in and return punts, which is
Speaker 1: something CDE won't do. I would imagine which Cedric Wills.
Speaker 1: You don't have a punt returner really on the roster.
Speaker 1: So I think that the cell is what can they do?
Speaker 1: We think he can come right in be a slot
Speaker 1: guy for us, helping our punt return We're just so
Speaker 1: excited to have him. That's my prediction. They're going to
Speaker 1: get that receiver in the second or third round Friday Night.
Speaker 1: Don't know his name. Wandelle Robinson, Kentucky. Wandell Robinson, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: UM something somebody like that. Five nine. I think the
Speaker 1: names I have in my brain are later. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're absolutely right about that, just
Speaker 1: in terms of like the type of role can they
Speaker 1: Can they really afford to get a guy that's more
Speaker 1: just kind of a slot guy, because they may need
Speaker 1: more of him if if let's say, for example, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know gallops out for that six weeks, Let's let's
Speaker 1: assume that that happens, like gonna need more from that
Speaker 1: guy than just I can play the slot, right, I
Speaker 1: do yeah, go ahead. I mean sure, I mean you're
Speaker 1: gonna need more than that, but I'm just saying the
Speaker 1: quick twitch guy like that, I could see them getting.
Speaker 1: And I would imagine at some point on the Scott
Speaker 1: and Report someone said Tyreek Kills a slot guy. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's shorter and he found out he's
Speaker 1: much right. So if you can run like the win,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that they'll they'll have you in there.
Speaker 1: But that's the type of guy I could I could
Speaker 1: see them getting in the second or third round. Johan Dotson,
Speaker 1: He's he's a first round fringe. That's I mean. That's
Speaker 1: the fun thing about this is like there's about twelve
Speaker 1: names that I'm positive will go in the first round,
Speaker 1: and then everything after that. You're like, oh, maybe that
Speaker 1: is amazing. Maybe it depends on how much gonna be
Speaker 1: a crazy draft. Yeah, I will say. I'll just say
Speaker 1: this and Nick hasn't told me anything. It's funny because
Speaker 1: like we cover the draft all year, but Nick knows
Speaker 1: just too to ask, and like Nick will pop up
Speaker 1: like a week before the draft and be like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they'll do this, and I'm like, who told you that?
Speaker 1: Robinson's name at all. Okay, you know why I know
Speaker 1: one Delle Robinson's name is I'm really good friends with
Speaker 1: a former cowboy named James Whalen who played at Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and James had his record of most catches at Kentucky
Speaker 1: broken by one Delle Robinson, who and you know I've
Speaker 1: seen him in the SEC catches everything. Um, he's just
Speaker 1: played one of those eight year seniors you know when
Speaker 1: when Nick because Nick, like Nick is preoccupied and not
Speaker 1: really focusing on the draft most of the year. So
Speaker 1: like when Nick drops drops a draft tidbit, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm listening. Because you didn't pull this out of thin air.
Speaker 1: You know, we could probably see it now. It was
Speaker 1: a long time at a scout in our scouting department
Speaker 1: used to give you an envelope, right, It happened a
Speaker 1: couple of times. It's one I mean, if we if
Speaker 1: you have time for the story, yeah, I think this
Speaker 1: is this is a crazy story because of all the
Speaker 1: things that happened. But but yeah, a guy came up,
Speaker 1: he's head of scouting or one of the top you
Speaker 1: know longer. He came up gave me an envelope. I mean,
Speaker 1: this thing was sealed, taped up, and he was just like,
Speaker 1: don't open this until the day of the draft. And
Speaker 1: he came up three, three or four times in that
Speaker 1: two weeks to make sure I hadn't opened it, and
Speaker 1: I kind of forgot about it. So it's two thousand
Speaker 1: and four. We had the twenty third pick, twenty second pick,
Speaker 1: something like them, and then they trade. So we're getting
Speaker 1: them ready to pick two thusand four. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: a running back, gonna get Stephen Jackson, gonna get Kevin Jones,
Speaker 1: gonna get one of these backs. They trade out of it,
Speaker 1: and I mean, that just sucks when you're like, you
Speaker 1: don't pick today because they traded for next year's one.
Speaker 1: So now we don't have a pick. I didn't even
Speaker 1: I forgot all about the envelope the next day. This
Speaker 1: is a Parcels draft. They're sitting there with like the
Speaker 1: forty third pick and they're about to take some of
Speaker 1: these other guys. But Tatum Bell said that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: said they would draft Tatum Bell. They told him that
Speaker 1: Parcels says we're taking there. Yeah, they don't take him.
Speaker 1: They take Julius Jones and Stead they take Julius Jones.
Speaker 1: Oh cool. Later that night I opened it up and
Speaker 1: sleep that little piece of paper it said Julius Jones.
Speaker 1: That was written two weeks before. And Julius, they know
Speaker 1: what they're doing, what they were the Julius was never
Speaker 1: going to be a first pick. They were gonna take
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson. They were afraid of his knee, which is
Speaker 1: you know, but that tells you whether they really were
Speaker 1: planning on Stephen Jackson or not. Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was the most amazing thing because there's so many things
Speaker 1: that had to fall just right, and it did. I mean,
Speaker 1: it might have been lucky. He did it again too,
Speaker 1: same guy picked him the third round tackle James Martin,
Speaker 1: which is one of the biggest busts in the history
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. So so not too proud of that one.
Speaker 1: But but but they also but they pigged it. They
Speaker 1: had it. I think the craziest thing about the draft process.
Speaker 1: And I remember being a draft fan as a young
Speaker 1: kid and like, and you get worked up about the
Speaker 1: guy I wanted. Uh, the year the Saints drafted Reggie Bush,
Speaker 1: I wanted a J Hawk, Like I was obsessed with
Speaker 1: a J Hawk. And but as a fan, you have
Speaker 1: this list of like nine thousand names the team's got,
Speaker 1: you know, if there's if there's six hundred draft eligible players,
Speaker 1: they've got one hundred and twenty draftable grades. And then
Speaker 1: literally it might be as small as like two dozen
Speaker 1: names where they're like, these are the guys we're gonna yeah,
Speaker 1: and like sometimes you have to pivot from that, Like
Speaker 1: they were not going to draft Michael last year. I
Speaker 1: don't care what they say they but they had to pivot.
Speaker 1: But going into going into a draft night, the list
Speaker 1: of guys that they're actually considering, it's so much smaller
Speaker 1: than I think most fans realize. Yeah, I was told that.
Speaker 1: You know, they do like these mock drafts with all
Speaker 1: these scenarios that the scouts, they do like twenty of them, yep,
Speaker 1: Like and three years ago they did twenty and Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard was picked in the third or fourth round every
Speaker 1: single time, Like every time Tony Pollard was there, so
Speaker 1: they were like, we're taking Tony poll We're gonna take him,
Speaker 1: and the same happen because they know they won him.
Speaker 1: You know, anybody's done every anybody has ever done a
Speaker 1: fantasy draft. You kind of know, you get your guys
Speaker 1: that you just kind of want, and so you end
Speaker 1: up with them, and you could probably run the scenario
Speaker 1: hundreds of times and you're gonna get those guys you
Speaker 1: really want in most instance, because you probably draft him
Speaker 1: ahead of maybe a little bit ahead of where you should,
Speaker 1: because you know you want. I just bought the Yahoo rankings.
Speaker 1: Take whatever they give you. But that's a great like,
Speaker 1: that's a fantastic way to think of it, though, because
Speaker 1: like I draft night rolls around. We've all got our
Speaker 1: trackers pulled up, and it's like, Okay, these are the
Speaker 1: ten best guys left according to Yahoo, or this is
Speaker 1: the top of Dane Brugler's top three hundred. These are
Speaker 1: the guys that are left. Meanwhile, the cowboys are obsessed
Speaker 1: with Nashan Wright, who's down here, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like we were gonna we were taking him somewhere on Friday,
Speaker 1: no matter what, and like there's nothing. Nobody's opinion matters,
Speaker 1: nobody's research matter. Like this guy, Yeah, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: Like this guy, all right, tell me about Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: What do we know at this point? What are they
Speaker 1: talking about Kevin Joseph? What's that look? Well, Jerry said,
Speaker 1: I only if I find out my information from what
Speaker 1: you guys, right, that's another that's good that goes in
Speaker 1: the group of five. I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: I believe that, but um, but I mean, I think
Speaker 1: what he's saying is there's just there's no news on
Speaker 1: it right now. And and also you know, the league
Speaker 1: will the league and the authorities will you know, they're
Speaker 1: still investigating this. And it's not like, let's let's also
Speaker 1: be honest. It's not like I would assume I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make an assumption. I don't think the police department is
Speaker 1: calling Jerry and saying, hey, we got some information on
Speaker 1: your guy. Here's kind of what we're thinking, like, is
Speaker 1: he's not the person that they're gonna call it give
Speaker 1: this information anyway, So he's having to learn a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff. They probably have people who can make
Speaker 1: connections and try to find out things, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, they only get the
Speaker 1: police are only going to talk about what they want
Speaker 1: to talk about to who they want to talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: typically it's it's just it's so weird because the situation
Speaker 1: is pretty normal by NFL standards of just like you're
Speaker 1: kind of in limbo and you don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's just it is such a more serious offense, you know.
Speaker 1: Usually it's like, oh, like you know, ze Zeke was
Speaker 1: seen in a cell phone video doing something inappropriate on St.
Speaker 1: Patrick's Day, Like that is it's bad. It's a bad look,
Speaker 1: but it's a lot less serious than somebody dying, which
Speaker 1: so it's just it's weird. It's it's very weird. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen, but the fact that
Speaker 1: really nothing has happened and it's been two weeks is
Speaker 1: a lot of cases of like criminal stuff, murder stuff,
Speaker 1: all kinds of things, and sometimes it takes a lot longer,
Speaker 1: you know, and then when you least expected, here's the
Speaker 1: police knocking at your door, and then the rest is
Speaker 1: being made. So I'm just saying that's how it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen, but sometimes are
Speaker 1: you worried about that happening? No? What I'm just saying
Speaker 1: like that that would be my worst nightmare that the
Speaker 1: cops just show up at my house like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: got a warm for your arrest, Like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you know everything about that, just you knowing. I can't
Speaker 1: wait for the break because yeah, like what, I gotta
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't think it. Oh oh that's true,
Speaker 1: you are I get a lot of ticket. You make
Speaker 1: me look like a great lot of ticket, and I
Speaker 1: drive like a jerk. It um. But I mean they
Speaker 1: arrests were already made, like they you know, Kelvin talked
Speaker 1: to the police and some arrests were made. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the part. But that's also the part that makes me
Speaker 1: think of all things being of all these things that
Speaker 1: are going on, I would think he probably has a
Speaker 1: little bit of solace in the fact that he talked
Speaker 1: to the police and then they made arrest and he
Speaker 1: wasn't one of those arrests, Right, That's gotta make him
Speaker 1: at least feel like, Okay, maybe I'm good here. Who knows.
Speaker 1: But that that that two weeks later and he hasn't
Speaker 1: been arrested and other people have been, I would say
Speaker 1: that that's probably as good a sign as he could
Speaker 1: possibly have. Right now. Yeah, I agree with you, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel out of my depth, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't go to law school. I don't know any
Speaker 1: of this stuff, talking about all this because it's like
Speaker 1: you guys keep saying it is there's something way tragic,
Speaker 1: you know that happened, and there's a family grieving and
Speaker 1: all that. Somebody's gonna have to be accountable, right, And
Speaker 1: you know we said the one thing when it comes
Speaker 1: to football is that we've said this a lot of times,
Speaker 1: is the kid Joseph needs to mature. He needs to
Speaker 1: grow up. He needs to realize that this is a
Speaker 1: this is a business, this is his life. He's to
Speaker 1: be focused on that and that we said that six
Speaker 1: months ago, and it doesn't seem like it's happened because
Speaker 1: of that that night. It doesn't seem like he's doing that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if he's going to get a chance
Speaker 1: to keep playing football, that's still going to be in
Speaker 1: the cards, then I mean, I can't imagine a bigger
Speaker 1: wake up call for him then to say hey, I've
Speaker 1: got I mean, I've got to be as focused as
Speaker 1: I can be. And I hate even saying that that's
Speaker 1: a silver lining. I hate saying that because it's not
Speaker 1: going to go. But I think it's fair to say
Speaker 1: it can be a wake up call because I think
Speaker 1: all of us in our lives probably have moments, pivotal
Speaker 1: moments where things happened and you're you look at them
Speaker 1: and you're like, wow, I really got to make some
Speaker 1: changes in my life, right, And so if it's that
Speaker 1: for him, I know it's tragic, and I'm not taking
Speaker 1: away from the tragic nature of it, but if that's
Speaker 1: what it takes, you know that if this is what
Speaker 1: gets him to kind of look at life differently, then
Speaker 1: that's good for him. It's not good situation, but it's
Speaker 1: a good thing and positive thing for him if it
Speaker 1: makes him go in a different direction. His connection to
Speaker 1: the situation as the Cowboys, that would scare me, that's
Speaker 1: what that's what worries me. Yeah, okay, I don't where
Speaker 1: you were in the car and all that stuff being
Speaker 1: there being associated that, to me, that's a that's a problem.
Speaker 1: That's something that has to be fixed. And I think
Speaker 1: that's regardless of any decisions being made yet, whether that's
Speaker 1: by the league, the police, or the Cowboys. Sure be
Speaker 1: out here in the offseason voluntary programs all you want
Speaker 1: and all that, but as of right now and looking
Speaker 1: into what's ahead, I wouldn't be making my plans with
Speaker 1: him like counting on him. Basically, I wouldn't be counting
Speaker 1: on a guy like him right now. So my plans
Speaker 1: would be as if he wasn't part of the team
Speaker 1: until further notice and whatever else happens as a conclusion,
Speaker 1: you know, And I don't know if this will happen,
Speaker 1: but like, let's say that a team was wanting some cornerback,
Speaker 1: a veteran cornerback, and they're in the fourth round and
Speaker 1: they say, we'll give you a fourth round pick for
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown or Jordan Lewis. Wouldn't do that today, No,
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it today. No. That's where I think the
Speaker 1: big difference is is that I don't know if you
Speaker 1: necessarily have to go draft the corner now, but you're
Speaker 1: not gonna mess with your depth because also you just
Speaker 1: don't know what the league's gonna do here. Like he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to get arrested for the league to come
Speaker 1: in and say you're out for six games. Like there,
Speaker 1: that's a real possibility just because you look at what
Speaker 1: the league's done historically. They don't need proof necessarily. They
Speaker 1: certainly don't need anything legal wise, So yeah, that's still
Speaker 1: a problem. It'll be interesting too to see if that
Speaker 1: does happen, what kind of suspension Is it a suspension
Speaker 1: of games or is it a suspension of being away
Speaker 1: from football? Because one thing we've seen is that some
Speaker 1: this is one of those situations I think where structure
Speaker 1: is what's needed. Yeah, you suspend him for six games go,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to be in the building. Was that
Speaker 1: good or bad? Yeah? You know, because that's kind of
Speaker 1: where we are here in this So it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what happens. I just can't imagine him not
Speaker 1: being suspended. I think, if I'm being honest, I think
Speaker 1: you should be. I think he I mean at least suspended.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a very serious thing for him.
Speaker 1: And so the one thing I would point out though,
Speaker 1: is we saw a similar situation for those that remember
Speaker 1: it with Ray Lewis, where he was there when someone
Speaker 1: ended up dead and and he was he was charged
Speaker 1: at one point, and I remember seeing an interview where
Speaker 1: he was talking about how he had to take a
Speaker 1: real inventory of his life after that situation and like
Speaker 1: who is he around, what does he allow himself to
Speaker 1: be associated with? And so I do think there is
Speaker 1: a there is a model here for Kelvin Joseph of Okay,
Speaker 1: if he really didn't have anything to do with this
Speaker 1: and Jess was in that situation because people around him
Speaker 1: were doing things, then maybe there's an opportunity here for
Speaker 1: him to say, I can do the same thing from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of taking inventory of my life and making
Speaker 1: some positive changes. And I remember at the time there
Speaker 1: were a lot of people that were saying, man, the
Speaker 1: Ravens need to cut this guy, like I get real
Speaker 1: this guy. They didn't, and he ended up having obviously
Speaker 1: a really great career. But I think that's the part
Speaker 1: where I put it back on Kelvin Joseph, can he
Speaker 1: be self aware enough to understand that this situation didn't
Speaker 1: he didn't have to be there and really think about
Speaker 1: in the future like where am I and who am
Speaker 1: I with in order to make really good decisions so
Speaker 1: you ultimately don't end up in these kind of situations. Well,
Speaker 1: so you can't force anyone to like something or to
Speaker 1: do something. And I'm referencing like, yes, this is a
Speaker 1: game that it's a business, a lot of money involved,
Speaker 1: but at the same time it is very much a
Speaker 1: game of passion and you have to want to do
Speaker 1: it and be out there and do the kind of
Speaker 1: work that it takes. So with him, and we talked
Speaker 1: about it in previous shows. I think it was the
Speaker 1: last show about the questions surrounding him prior to being
Speaker 1: drafted and everything that happened in his college career. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things that it takes you back to
Speaker 1: that like easy Easy really wanting to even play football
Speaker 1: at all. And that's not something I can answer for him.
Speaker 1: He has to answer for himself. But you as a
Speaker 1: organization and looking at the business side of it, you
Speaker 1: do have to now take a deeper look into that
Speaker 1: whole aspect of mental and the not passion but like
Speaker 1: the teammate thing that surrounds him and see if it's
Speaker 1: regardless of him being innocent or not, is this really
Speaker 1: going to be a good fit for our future here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, somebody told me this week ago about him,
Speaker 1: and they said, I can't I feel bad even saying this,
Speaker 1: but but when it comes to football, Kelvin Joseph actually
Speaker 1: impressed the team last year with his ability to play
Speaker 1: special teams his willingness to do it. I was told
Speaker 1: he was even graded as the best special teams player
Speaker 1: on the team last year. Better than Goodwin, better than Goodwin. Wow,
Speaker 1: he flashed that's impression in in just because going in
Speaker 1: my opinion, maybe the best special team players I've ever watched.
Speaker 1: One's awesome. But as far as the assignment goes, and
Speaker 1: just you know, you know, you know they're grade you know,
Speaker 1: like in basketball, you always get this plus mind that stuff.
Speaker 1: They have all kinds of grades for stuff. But apparently
Speaker 1: he was graded as high as any other player and
Speaker 1: so which is not something you expect a second round corner.
Speaker 1: He probably didn't do it a lot of LSU or
Speaker 1: Kentucky to go out there and do that. So there
Speaker 1: are some things that we don't necessarily see that they're given.
Speaker 1: You know, the Cowboys some some problems there as a player,
Speaker 1: but he's got a you know, he's like she said,
Speaker 1: he's got to want to get there. He's got to
Speaker 1: get there. And if if this is that fork in
Speaker 1: the road that helps, then that's you know, that's great
Speaker 1: for him as a football player. Yeah, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take our final break. We come back. We're gonna
Speaker 1: nail these guys down on some stuff. They expect to
Speaker 1: see this over these next three days at the draft.
Speaker 1: Who they expect the Cowboys to take who maybe some
Speaker 1: of their pet cats are, what their draft strategies would
Speaker 1: look like if they were the ones making the call.
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Speaker 1: It is the final segment of Break Lift Nest WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. At the start, let's get you guys nailed down.
Speaker 1: I want some predictions on what's going to happen for
Speaker 1: this draft. Let's start first big picture. I want to
Speaker 1: go around the table if each of you kind of
Speaker 1: define what your strategy would be for the Cowboys if
Speaker 1: you were making decision going into the draft. You don't
Speaker 1: have to necessarily say a player, but just kind of overall,
Speaker 1: how are you looking at the draft? What are the
Speaker 1: things you really got to address, and what do you
Speaker 1: think is most important for the Cowboys to come away with.
Speaker 1: Once you get to Saturday night and you're done with
Speaker 1: this whole thing, let's start first with you him. You're
Speaker 1: done with this thing, done with this thing. Listen, I
Speaker 1: don't over analyze this thing because I think it's very
Speaker 1: complicated the draft. Do you have so many moving pieces
Speaker 1: that you don't know what's really going to happen. But
Speaker 1: I'm looking and this is no news to anybody but
Speaker 1: old line specifically a guard. I'm looking at wide receiver,
Speaker 1: of course we've talked about that, looking at linebacker, someone
Speaker 1: to help in there because we don't have any bodies
Speaker 1: there either. And other than that, after those three positions,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how about it. You can bring me a
Speaker 1: pass rusher that can help create some more pressure there.
Speaker 1: You can bring me a tight end if you want.
Speaker 1: You can bring me another corner maybe, so I'm bring
Speaker 1: whatever you want, but as long as you address those
Speaker 1: three main needs, I'll be happy, all right, Dave? Okay,
Speaker 1: And it's so funny because the the way we talk
Speaker 1: about this goes contrary to the way that everybody says
Speaker 1: you're supposed to draft, which is like just best player,
Speaker 1: best player. Just don't don't window dress your board, don't
Speaker 1: do anything stupid just because you need something. But they've
Speaker 1: got to come out of this draft with a few
Speaker 1: things in certain areas. So I'm gonna kind of cheat
Speaker 1: and say, a week from today, this team needs to
Speaker 1: have two offensive linemen that are capable of starting that
Speaker 1: are not here right that are not here right now.
Speaker 1: If that means you call Eric Flowers and Sam Tevy
Speaker 1: on Monday and say we need you here, so be it.
Speaker 1: Preferably you would do it in the draft. But I
Speaker 1: think they need They need a guard and a tackle
Speaker 1: who are capable of starting in the NFL. A week
Speaker 1: from today, they need a receiver. Um. Those are the
Speaker 1: three things they need those they need those three things. Um.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I would like to see him beef
Speaker 1: up the pass rush. I would like to see him
Speaker 1: ad depth at linebacker. I think it would be smart
Speaker 1: to draft a kicker. Jesus please, uh and maybe address Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it'd be a great pick. Hey Jesus, get down here,
Speaker 1: please kick some field. But to make points, um, make
Speaker 1: them future of the running back position. I would I
Speaker 1: would like to throw a pick at that. Oh my god, goin,
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, throw throw a pick at the running back position.
Speaker 1: But really, two starter caliber offensive lineman and a receiver.
Speaker 1: I don't care how you get them, but those that's
Speaker 1: what you need. And then to Amber's point, just go
Speaker 1: for it. Throw the other throw the other picks at
Speaker 1: guys you like, let's see what happens all right this
Speaker 1: one or need you're you're didn't ask me, I didn't.
Speaker 1: You're the guy. What's your strategy? What are you going
Speaker 1: into the weekend thing? And I gotta do what I
Speaker 1: need to do. I gotta trade down, um and hope
Speaker 1: that there's some lineman there. I want to trade down.
Speaker 1: I want to pick up a second round pick. I
Speaker 1: want to use that next year is one and go
Speaker 1: get a receiver from forty nine ers. That's why, let's go.
Speaker 1: Then I want to come out. And then then I
Speaker 1: got a I still got a first round pick who
Speaker 1: was a lineman, maybe one from A and m who's
Speaker 1: who's falling a little bit because for whatever the reason,
Speaker 1: I'll take him. And then I got my guy from
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, which then I gotta pay more
Speaker 1: than I than I was gonna pay. MRI and more
Speaker 1: than you're gonna pay a CD. But you call San Francisco,
Speaker 1: not Seattle. What did I say, Seattle? No, I'm saying
Speaker 1: you could call both. Yeah, I could call both. I'm
Speaker 1: just asked. I mean stam Tennessee's guy. Also, Yeah, sure
Speaker 1: could call Nashville. Two lots of teams you can call.
Speaker 1: I don't know they're gonna pick up the phone, but
Speaker 1: you can call whoever you want to call. And I
Speaker 1: think the cowboys are gonna pick up the phone now.
Speaker 1: I think I think, okay, you know what, I think
Speaker 1: i'd call Seattle. I just think you could maybe do
Speaker 1: that for cheaper than I think. Maybe if we want
Speaker 1: to just you know, bring it up for one more time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I probably go get her old Thomas want
Speaker 1: to mention it again. I'm kidding. I'm kidding on that,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, and I'm sort of kidding on all
Speaker 1: of that. I gotta get a lineman, um, I like that.
Speaker 1: I like, you gotta get two linemen that could play.
Speaker 1: I need a lineman that can buy Monday. I thought
Speaker 1: that was the key. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lineman that
Speaker 1: that I can I'll draft a lineman that can plug
Speaker 1: in and play and I'm telling you, sneaky need for
Speaker 1: me is still a linebacker. Linebacker to me, I'm because
Speaker 1: because because your offensive lineman makes who better Dack, You're linebacker,
Speaker 1: I think makes Mike a better agree and so especially
Speaker 1: if he's really good. I'm talking about that's the difference
Speaker 1: between getting one in the first maybe second round versus
Speaker 1: getting one in the fifth round. Right well, I mean, yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: he's got to be a guy that can come in
Speaker 1: and play I mean I'm not and be the man
Speaker 1: at linebacker. I guess that's what I'm saying is he
Speaker 1: can be the man if Michael, if you want him,
Speaker 1: put Michael on the defensive line. Mean yeah, Kobe, Dean,
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd, let's go, let's go my whole life as
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, go ahead. I want anything that starts
Speaker 1: out my whole life. I don't know, I know, right,
Speaker 1: I was just about to admit how painfully white I am,
Speaker 1: which is I grew up in New Orleans. But my
Speaker 1: whole life. I thought that was just a football celebration.
Speaker 1: Throwing up the hooks oh l l s U. D.
Speaker 1: Linman used to do it, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's badass, Like let's yeah, he got a sack. I
Speaker 1: had no idea. My favorite basketball player of all times Williams.
Speaker 1: I named my female dog after a choralist Williamson, and
Speaker 1: I thought that's that was just his thing. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what it meant. Also found out yeah, um yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then don't do it around Derek because he will
Speaker 1: hit you. He's done that. Yeah, I need to that. No,
Speaker 1: we don't. Um anyways, can I ask of what what
Speaker 1: were the thoughts yesterday when we just completely threw a
Speaker 1: taco under the bus. That was hilarious. And then too No,
Speaker 1: he had a good comeback. Yeah, he had a good comeback.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Like, I thought that was funny.
Speaker 1: It was very funny. Some people know that. Jerry mentioned
Speaker 1: during the press converence. He said they were asking about
Speaker 1: who makes the final call. He said, well, you know
Speaker 1: I used to make the final call, but with Tacco
Speaker 1: that was Stephen just kind of basically just threw it
Speaker 1: out there like and he made Tacco. Yeah, it was funny,
Speaker 1: but also like I thought it was, I was like, really, man,
Speaker 1: like that's your fault. You're gonna throw him under the butt.
Speaker 1: Like y'all left that up, that's you're bad, because half
Speaker 1: everybody and their mother was like what wa So like
Speaker 1: it's not like this isn't one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's like what are you gonna do? Sometimes it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out. A million people thought it was a bad idea,
Speaker 1: and you did it anyway, and then you throw his
Speaker 1: like you say his name like taco sucked. It's like
Speaker 1: that's your bad, that's not his bad. And so I
Speaker 1: kind of I enjoyed his clap back. I figured realized
Speaker 1: that parents do that a lot. I haven't done it
Speaker 1: with my own child yet, but I see it happen
Speaker 1: all the time, where parents just put the blame on
Speaker 1: their own kid. I'm like, oh, that will say it
Speaker 1: what way? Like just anything for example? For example, I
Speaker 1: mean it could be anything. I'm not gonna get into specific,
Speaker 1: but just an example. I remember Thanksgiving we would always
Speaker 1: go to my stepdad's house and his family they're all Americans,
Speaker 1: you know, and he would be eating all the food,
Speaker 1: certain type of food, and at that time I didn't
Speaker 1: speak English that well, but I understood it, and he
Speaker 1: would put the blame on me when his sister would
Speaker 1: be asking, who wait, all the blah blah blah. He'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, Amber, Amber, Amber, like I said, and
Speaker 1: I'm over here without being able to defend myself, you know,
Speaker 1: because I didn't speak English. But anyway, the point is
Speaker 1: I see it a lot now that I'm a parent
Speaker 1: that you blame your child. It were expressing if something
Speaker 1: smells badly, yea, DJ stop it excuse me. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a tongue in cheek comment. Like I it
Speaker 1: was just Jerry was having fun. But I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's more on y'all than it is on Taco, and
Speaker 1: Taco's come back on Twitter was just like the crying me.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's pretty good, fun, pretty good. Don't
Speaker 1: need their conversations. That's that they're already left. Dude, Just
Speaker 1: go man, just stay. That's gonna linger, clearly, I mean
Speaker 1: it already is. But yeah, at least for the next year,
Speaker 1: two years at least, it's gonna be a still be
Speaker 1: a topic. Yeah, all right, um, all right, So let's
Speaker 1: talk about the first round. Come closest in the show.
Speaker 1: Tell me what what you expect to happen in the
Speaker 1: first round, what you want to happen in the first round.
Speaker 1: This is what I meant when I said I hate
Speaker 1: this week because like the narrative is formed and then
Speaker 1: we get to this week and and it all gets
Speaker 1: thrown into chaos. And just as an example of what
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you've been following along with us
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show, or if you've been following the
Speaker 1: draft like we, you know, we put the jigsaw puzzle
Speaker 1: together pretty well every year. We've got an idea, Kenyan Greene,
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson. They really like some of the receivers, Traylon
Speaker 1: Burke's Drake London. But then Peter King, Guys like Peter
Speaker 1: King and Albert Brier jump just cannonball into the pool
Speaker 1: on Monday of Draft week and they're like Tyler Linderbaum,
Speaker 1: Nakobe Dean, which are not name. I mean, we know
Speaker 1: these names, but we haven't really been tying them to
Speaker 1: the cowboys like those they didn't visit. They're not They're
Speaker 1: not these guys that are highlighted and people like Peter
Speaker 1: King and Albert Brier don't throw that stuff out there
Speaker 1: willy nilly, like these are the type of guys that
Speaker 1: can call up the right person and have a real conversation.
Speaker 1: And so I'm just looking at it and I'm like,
Speaker 1: where's this coming from? So now you're second guessing everything
Speaker 1: To answer it more succinctly, I think they have a
Speaker 1: preference for an offensive lineman or a receiver. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna get wiped out of their receiver options, Like
Speaker 1: I don't yeah, really, I really, I'm starting to feel
Speaker 1: that way, Like I don't know if how many I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think legitimate will receiver options there
Speaker 1: are in the first round six to eight, and you
Speaker 1: think all of them will be gone for the Cowboys? Peak?
Speaker 1: All the ones that they might want a draft? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's five, no, no, five that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would we have interest in the first round. They love
Speaker 1: Drake London, Yeah, they like Traylan Burke's uh, they love
Speaker 1: Chris Olave and I think all three of those guys
Speaker 1: could be gone dudes, Yeah, yeah, all three of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams will already be gone. Right when you ask
Speaker 1: what I want to happen, give me Jamison Williams and
Speaker 1: call it a day. Yeah, put Tyreek Hill on this
Speaker 1: team and we'll call it a day. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: And then it would be like, are you pretty are
Speaker 1: you pretty certain? He's going to be gone, Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean pretty certain. Do I know for sure? I was
Speaker 1: pretty certain Ceede Lamb would be gone too. Who the
Speaker 1: hell knows. But I don't think he'll be Does it
Speaker 1: bother you at all? A guy like Jamison Williams, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only one Britt you know, others two,
Speaker 1: I guess. But but Britt Brown, who's like you gonna do?
Speaker 1: I'm saying doing the courts. I mean, you got Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup and you got Jamison Williams, two guys. A. It's
Speaker 1: a five year contract, and b Williams has he's on
Speaker 1: the record saying he thinks he'll be ready for training camp.
Speaker 1: So but that might also be the reason why he's
Speaker 1: available to you is because there are questions about his health.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, right, I would run to the podium to
Speaker 1: draft that man. I don't care. Sam Bradford tore his
Speaker 1: shoulder off in the OU Texas game, and U, what's
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: if you're good, if you're good, you're good. I think
Speaker 1: that's true. Um, I think, like we've beaten this into
Speaker 1: the ground. But I think the realistic scenarios are Zion
Speaker 1: Johnson and Kenyon Green. And if for some reason they
Speaker 1: don't like one of the nick kind of alluded to it,
Speaker 1: maybe Kenyan Green might have a medical issue that scare
Speaker 1: some people. So that's something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: And if they don't like their options at offensive line,
Speaker 1: then then maybe, like the quote, like the bailout pick
Speaker 1: would be a linebacker Dean or Lloyd. They Lloyd was
Speaker 1: a visitor, so that would make sense. Dean A lot
Speaker 1: of people love him, but he seems small to me
Speaker 1: to be a cowboy pick. No, he's he's a great
Speaker 1: player like he Wasna you qualify that at the end
Speaker 1: to be a cowboy pick. Yeah, they ned into like
Speaker 1: big long. I mean they drafted Laton vander ash She's
Speaker 1: like six six, Micah's six three. So to draft a
Speaker 1: five to eleven linebacker in the first round seems out
Speaker 1: of character. But if you're if you were the captain
Speaker 1: of like the best defense in modern college football history,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with you being on my team. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you were a player like a be a whole beast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what I think. That was long winded. Sorry, Amber,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Felt question? What happened. What do
Speaker 1: you think? I can never guess anything when it comes
Speaker 1: to the draft. But my guy right now is sighing,
Speaker 1: like that's the guy I would want them to draft.
Speaker 1: I specifically want a guard. I was checking out I
Speaker 1: think it was yesterday on the website, like the latest
Speaker 1: mock draft that you guys did on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 1: You know, you see the different options that people are
Speaker 1: wrong the media picks for the Cowboys, and one of
Speaker 1: the most popular names still out there is Tyler Linderbaum
Speaker 1: and that one and we've talked about this on a show.
Speaker 1: I asked you, Dave, like what do you think about him?
Speaker 1: And all that, which is great, like the talent that
Speaker 1: he has, But I'm still like, I wouldn't be excited
Speaker 1: about a center, Like I get a talent, you can
Speaker 1: also help the guy next to you, as you know,
Speaker 1: you can help the guard and all that. But I
Speaker 1: want and I need a guard that is very much
Speaker 1: capable of handling his own, you know, and not so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just want a guard. That's all
Speaker 1: I want. Okay, Nick, Yeah, I definitely I want them
Speaker 1: to get an offensive linement that can play. Right now,
Speaker 1: I think if I had to guess. I think they're
Speaker 1: going to take a receiver, That's what I would think
Speaker 1: they would do. But I hope that they take an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and one that's got some position flex to him. Well,
Speaker 1: a guy that can play guard and maybe eventually center.
Speaker 1: A guy who can play guard and maybe eventually tackle,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, play a few years and then
Speaker 1: move out there if if you need it. There's some
Speaker 1: guys like that. I think. I think Zion Johnson's very versatile,
Speaker 1: Kenyon Green, Tyler Smith, Tulsa. I think there's there's a
Speaker 1: chance there, but I think somebody that's got some versatility
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Zion does have center flexibility, which
Speaker 1: is interesting. Yeah, And what's really interesting about him is,
Speaker 1: and we have a story up today on him. He
Speaker 1: started forty nine games I think in college, twenty six
Speaker 1: at at guard, twenty three at tackle, and he's got center,
Speaker 1: you know, a possibility too. So you know, he played
Speaker 1: three years, was three years at Davidson Wreck, you know,
Speaker 1: it was you know, obviously at lower level. Then went
Speaker 1: to Boston College and was still pretty good too. So
Speaker 1: position flex for him. Strength That means Zion Johnson would
Speaker 1: be good. But you know, don't be surprised if some
Speaker 1: you know, just just in somebody that's good position flex
Speaker 1: that thinks the kid. Oh all right. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys joining us. We will be back next week on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: We'll let you guys know what we think about the
Speaker 1: draft and what the Cowboys got and where they may
Speaker 1: still be some holes. We'll talk about that next Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, and Amber Garcia.
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