WEBVTT - Celtics/Lakers Postgame Spaces

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<v Speaker 1>M all right, Welcome to the State of the Lakers

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<v Speaker 1>on DASS Radio. Thank you guys so much for coming

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<v Speaker 1>to hang out. Out of Tuesday, we finally have, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>not just the convincing Laker win, but a convincing Laker

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<v Speaker 1>win against a good team. The Celtics are coming off

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<v Speaker 1>a stretch where they just won three out of four games.

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<v Speaker 1>They were competitive on the road in Utah, they beat

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<v Speaker 1>the living crap out of the Blazers the other night. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a this is a decent basketball team that

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<v Speaker 1>came to town, and we just looked way better than them.

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<v Speaker 1>Um why because we are way better than them? And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we've been off to a very frustrating start to

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<v Speaker 1>the season. Um. I thought Lebron set the tone from

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<v Speaker 1>the start tonight, which is something I've been begging for

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<v Speaker 1>him to do all season, and I thought everyone else followed.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of one of the big formulas for

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<v Speaker 1>succes tonight. There's a lot of other details we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get into, but before we get too far into it, Roge,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you, my guy? Are you feeling as good

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<v Speaker 1>as I am right now? Man? That has to be

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<v Speaker 1>game of the year, win of the year. That was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was. It was great to finally get

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<v Speaker 1>a fun game, right, and we had three days off

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<v Speaker 1>in between. It was nice for us as well to

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<v Speaker 1>get a break from Lakers basketball. The Lakers looked like

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<v Speaker 1>they needed it. Um. Lebron especially came out with more

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<v Speaker 1>energy than I've seen from him, and he just set

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<v Speaker 1>the tone. Like you said, in this game was just

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<v Speaker 1>it felt it wasn't wire to wire. But the Celtics

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<v Speaker 1>never to me, felt like they were gonna win tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>which which is really just a stark contrast from what

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<v Speaker 1>we've been seeing from all these games, and that second

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<v Speaker 1>half they took over. I don't think the final score

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<v Speaker 1>really indicates, um, how big a game this was for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a fun game, man. Finally Laker fans and all

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<v Speaker 1>of us kind of get a good game to enjoy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was. It was nice to have one of

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<v Speaker 1>these for a change. Yeah, you know, Lebron really set

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<v Speaker 1>the tone from the beginning of this game, and it

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me of a Die dnamic that used to happen

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<v Speaker 1>back with the Lakers year they won the title, where

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<v Speaker 1>you would see Anthony Davis kind of sleepwalk his way

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<v Speaker 1>through the beginning of a game, but Lebron would kind

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<v Speaker 1>of carry him over that stretch. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that told me a lot about who Anthony Davis

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<v Speaker 1>is as a competitor, as he would inevitably in the

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<v Speaker 1>second half of those games really turn it up, come

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<v Speaker 1>out like gangbusters, and put his physical imprint on both

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<v Speaker 1>ends of the floor. And when he did, the team

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<v Speaker 1>was borderline unbeatable, especially with Lebron already in a rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>like he was at the beginning of the game. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the big reasons why I've been so

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<v Speaker 1>critical of Lebron this season. I've probably been more critical

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<v Speaker 1>of him than any other Lakers player, and more so

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<v Speaker 1>than most Laker fans have been. But it's just because

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<v Speaker 1>I hold him to such a high standard and I

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<v Speaker 1>know what he's capable of. And you know, yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>took a lot of jump shots early in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were they were high quality jump shots, they

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<v Speaker 1>were in rhythm. The ones that were contested were closer

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<v Speaker 1>to the rim. If you look at his shot chart,

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<v Speaker 1>these weren't stepped back threes from These were interior jump

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<v Speaker 1>shots closer to the basket, where he has shown a

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<v Speaker 1>propensity in his career to be a high percentage jump shooter.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots of good process from him. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>was also putting his head down and getting to the

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<v Speaker 1>rim a lot more than we've seen him try to

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<v Speaker 1>do this season, um, And it was inevitable to me

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<v Speaker 1>that eventually Anthony Davis and Russ would find a time

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<v Speaker 1>in the game where they would put their imprint and

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<v Speaker 1>a d kind of started end of the second quarter

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<v Speaker 1>and continued for most of the second half, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Russ was just unbelievable at the end of that third quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>just putting his head down and getting to the rim again,

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<v Speaker 1>something we've talked about a lot. Russ kind of slowly

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<v Speaker 1>breaking through that that wall, constantly putting physical pressure at

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<v Speaker 1>the point of attack on guys, and they might hold

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<v Speaker 1>up for a quarter some nights, they'll hold up for

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<v Speaker 1>two quarters, but eventually he just wears on people to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where he starts to get that rim pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>and from there it's about kicking out the shooters. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have to look at the numbers because but from

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<v Speaker 1>the eye test the scenes that we didn't shoot amazingly

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<v Speaker 1>well tonight, So there's even another level we can get to.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were living in the paint it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was much more. It was much closer to our identity. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Vogel's lineups made a lot more sensible. Get more

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<v Speaker 1>into that later, but they made a lot more basketball

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<v Speaker 1>sense with what this team is good at. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, it was all about Lebron doing what I

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<v Speaker 1>expect him to do every night, which has come out

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<v Speaker 1>and set the tone and be a leader. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that be the guy that the other guys will inevitably

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<v Speaker 1>get swept up in everything that you bring to the table.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where this team is going to be capable

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<v Speaker 1>of beating quality teams, which is the next step and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, progressing this season. But did you did

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<v Speaker 1>you see what I was talking about there? Just Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>kind of setting the tone and uh and the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the guys following. Yeah, he not only set the

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<v Speaker 1>tone offensively, but I thought defensively as well. Right, and

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<v Speaker 1>the starting lineup, you know, it's still kind of frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>at times. When we got the news that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Blight Howard's is being taken out, we were gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>eighty at the five, but it was Taylor and Avery

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley so your spacing was still going to be bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but the floor balance is better. And with Lebron and

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<v Speaker 1>a Dy as your back line, that's still a super

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<v Speaker 1>great catalyst for a great defense right when you have

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<v Speaker 1>both of them engaged. And I thought you saw that

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<v Speaker 1>all night. Tatum had sixteen points. I think right away

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<v Speaker 1>Um in the first quarter with like five minutes gone

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<v Speaker 1>or something, he already had sixteen. But I thought they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't overreact to that. But Lebron Andy were engaged. Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>on that back line was engaged almost every single play,

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<v Speaker 1>taking out pretting out orders of where to switch and

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<v Speaker 1>telling people where to go. We need that every single night,

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<v Speaker 1>like you talked about. And this is game twelve of

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<v Speaker 1>the Big three. I believe I have my numbers right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there were six and five before tonight with Lebron,

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<v Speaker 1>and tonight I put them. I believe the seven and five.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is kind of the way that the ceiling

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<v Speaker 1>of this team is gonna work. To me, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like Russ has pushed his weight, Like I'm looking at Russ.

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<v Speaker 1>The lacks. The last six games, all Um pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>all over twenty points. Other than the Clipper game. Four

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<v Speaker 1>of those games are of at least nine assists. Two

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<v Speaker 1>of them are with the eleven assists, and in this

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<v Speaker 1>is tonight game from him. Tonight, he got to pick

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<v Speaker 1>his spots because Lebron was able to take over in

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<v Speaker 1>that first quarter, was taking jump shots, but I thought

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<v Speaker 1>they were good jumpers, that they were in rhythm. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought they were aggressive a D in that third quarter

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<v Speaker 1>going to the basket, I thought he was really settling

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<v Speaker 1>in that first half. Only four shots for a D.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, it's just not enough. But pulling this back

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<v Speaker 1>with Lebron, him and a D started to get to going,

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<v Speaker 1>started getting it going, and Russ was able to pick

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<v Speaker 1>his spots. Russ got really going in that third quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, that's what the ceiling of this team is,

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<v Speaker 1>where you have Ron and a D going and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's just Russ at Russ as like a volcano earthquake

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<v Speaker 1>coming at you, where where you have to try to

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<v Speaker 1>stop him while Lebron and a D are going. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that's what we saw tonight. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>best game the Big three I've played on both ends

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<v Speaker 1>of the floor. He saw Russ take the Jayson Tatum

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<v Speaker 1>matchup and I thought that got him engaged defensively as well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Taylor would be the guy on Tatum, but

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<v Speaker 1>Russ looked like he wanted that matchup, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he did. He did the best that he could,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was engaged, he fought, and that really all

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<v Speaker 1>started from Lebron in that first quarter. It kind of

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<v Speaker 1>led to both of them get going, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>how you have to win. The three stars all played well,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they do, I feel like we're gonna beat

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<v Speaker 1>teams like this. Yeah. One of the things I've been

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<v Speaker 1>harping on all season is the Lakers leaning into what

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<v Speaker 1>they're good at. It's been very frustrating to me to

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<v Speaker 1>see Frank Vogel kind of cater his philosophy, both with

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<v Speaker 1>the rotation and with the scheme, more towards like his

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<v Speaker 1>personal basketball philosophies rather than what his personnel is good at,

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<v Speaker 1>what the team's you know, basketball character is made of.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we've seen a lot over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the last few weeks, not just with Frank, but

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<v Speaker 1>with Lebron and a D. This this idea that they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really understand what they were good at. Both Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>and a D were leaning way too heavily into their

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<v Speaker 1>off the dribble jump shooting game, which while it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that has helped make both of them versatile in their careers,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not been their bread and butter. Their bread and

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<v Speaker 1>butter in their career has been physical, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving a physical imprint on the game, generating a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of brim pressure all the good stuff that comes from that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then with Frank, it's you know, I was blown

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<v Speaker 1>away by how poorly we defended with the starting lineup

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<v Speaker 1>against the Clippers. But a lot of that has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with, you know, Frank not seeing the forest for

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<v Speaker 1>the trees, leaning way too heavily into size and defensive personnel,

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<v Speaker 1>and not understanding that if you run crappy offense all

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<v Speaker 1>the time and you're constantly missing contested lake clock jump shots,

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<v Speaker 1>that your defense has never said that, your guys are

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<v Speaker 1>always jogging back in transition, and your defense isn't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>look good anyway. It was. It was a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of of of of guys up and down the organization

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<v Speaker 1>that needed to wake up and understand what they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do for this team to succeed. Frank from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the game, you know, the everything made way

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<v Speaker 1>more sense, Like you don't need to play Lebron at center.

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<v Speaker 1>That can be a matchup thing, but you have Dwight Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>Dwight Howard's a really good backup center. He's the perfect

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<v Speaker 1>guy to bring in when Anthony Davis goes to the bench.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes way more sense than starting huge with a

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<v Speaker 1>D and Dwight and Russ and then going super tiny

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<v Speaker 1>with Lebron at center and at the start of the

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<v Speaker 1>second quarter. None of that ever made any sense. And

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<v Speaker 1>so this was a way more functional rotation. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't go with Avery Bradley, I'd go with more

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<v Speaker 1>shooting in the starting lineup. But those are nitpicky things,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that we can go at the guys for tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>We're nitpicky things. All these things in the previous weeks

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<v Speaker 1>that we've been pointing out, these have been glaring, obvious

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<v Speaker 1>basketball malpractice that had to be pointed out. These weren't

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<v Speaker 1>money Monday morning quarterbacking from our couches when we have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what we're talking about. This was every basketball

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<v Speaker 1>mind in the world was looking at this, like, what

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<v Speaker 1>in the world were you guys doing? Your two best

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<v Speaker 1>players are leaning into the weakest part of their offensive

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<v Speaker 1>skill and the coaches playing personnel that actively sabotages the team.

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<v Speaker 1>We were we were all in the right to be

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<v Speaker 1>upset about what we were seeing, and it was such

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<v Speaker 1>a breath of fresh air to see that tonight go

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite direction, everyone kind of leaning into their strengths.

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<v Speaker 1>I tweeted out at the end of the first quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've out of run was coming, and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why it was kind of ironic. I I went into

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<v Speaker 1>the Clippers game feeling good about what was going to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and then as soon as the game started, I immediately

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<v Speaker 1>was shaking my head NonStop on the couch, incredibly frustrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight was kind of the opposite. I came into Tonight's

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<v Speaker 1>game having no idea what to think, Like is tonight

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<v Speaker 1>the night that the Lakers just kind of roll over

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<v Speaker 1>and quit? Or is tonight the night that they wake up?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Like I didn't know, but almost immediately when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw how engaged Lebron was, and I knew Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Davis was going to follow him eventually, and I knew,

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<v Speaker 1>like always Russ, it's been to come a theme for

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<v Speaker 1>him in third quarters that's kind of when he starts

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<v Speaker 1>to break through that physical wall and start to impose

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<v Speaker 1>his will. I knew those I knew those things were coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Our defense was dialed in and engaged. You could tell,

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<v Speaker 1>even though Tatum made some shots earlier. Tatum's incredible, don't

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<v Speaker 1>get me wrong, but you could tell that both Russ

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<v Speaker 1>and Phdre were being disruptive with their with their length

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<v Speaker 1>and athleticism. You could see the good process. You knew

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<v Speaker 1>the run was coming. That's why I felt good throughout

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<v Speaker 1>most of this game. This is a of the fresh

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<v Speaker 1>air Rod. I gotta say, man, like this was I

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<v Speaker 1>could the Clippers game was a low point for me

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<v Speaker 1>as a fan of this team. Without frustrated, I was,

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<v Speaker 1>and tonight was as encourages that Ben and and it's

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<v Speaker 1>always been in there. They just needed to play into

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<v Speaker 1>their strengths. Yeah, we look like a functional basketball team.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we look like a basketball team that made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was thinking about that that other starting lineup

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<v Speaker 1>with like two centers and all that. That starting line

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<v Speaker 1>up is like a broken clock, right, it's right twice

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<v Speaker 1>a day, like sometimes those you know, jumpers go in.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's ugly basketball. It's not conductive, it's not good process.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought tonight was good process. Even with Avery Bradley starting.

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<v Speaker 1>You can kind of see the reins of what we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be, right And I was thinking, like, maybe Trevor

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<v Speaker 1>Reason is in that spot. I see why Kalen is

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and Taylor's defense will get into that later,

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<v Speaker 1>but I thought he was. I thought he was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you throw him on Jayson Tatum, you throw him

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<v Speaker 1>on Paul George the last game. I thought he did

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<v Speaker 1>his job for the for the most part, we helped

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit too much. But this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what the team needs to be going forward. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think we have some Winnabo games, Winnabo games coming up

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<v Speaker 1>here after the Boston one from tonight. But yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>the big three played well. Um a d was aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>and that they're I thought Aides defense as well. He was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was getting killed at halftime by the TNT guys

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody, but I thought his defense in that second

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<v Speaker 1>half was great. He was shutting everything off. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of what I would like the lineups to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Um Leak monk Wayne Ellington. I thought we saw more

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<v Speaker 1>good process with them as well. We saw Lebron ball. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they had Peyton Pitcher tried to try to hide on

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne Ellington and he came and said a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>like ghost screens. That was just good offense. Russ as

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<v Speaker 1>well with driving lanes. Right, we saw Russ with driving

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<v Speaker 1>lanes and he had like a hammer dunk on somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember who it was. He got a big

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<v Speaker 1>time hammer dunk and he saw him kind of being excited,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is this the way to play, man, This

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<v Speaker 1>is how we have to be going forward. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>David Bradley is not the one starting every night, but

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what's gonna be, that's at least we have

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<v Speaker 1>the good process of a d S starting at center,

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron at the power forward, and those two engraged defensively

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<v Speaker 1>can can have a good defensive team. Boston's a solid

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<v Speaker 1>team I think there. They have a good record in

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<v Speaker 1>the last fifteen games or something. They've picked it up

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<v Speaker 1>since they're slow start even with out Jalen Brown, and

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<v Speaker 1>just there a solid team with good NBA players. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought tonight was a really big win, big biggest

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<v Speaker 1>one of the year to me. Uh, and just good

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<v Speaker 1>process stuff that we saw. Um all night. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>even at the end of the game, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth quarter when the Celtics were you know, attempting

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<v Speaker 1>at least to try to make a run, you saw

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron's process better. You know, he wasn't he wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>navigating switches and uh and jacking up stupid threes. He was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, working the ball around, trying to When he

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<v Speaker 1>would get the switch on Peyton Pritchard, he would you know,

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<v Speaker 1>try to back him down almost like a three point

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<v Speaker 1>line post up. And there was a play where got

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<v Speaker 1>into the lane and kicked out to Carmelo Anthony. It

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<v Speaker 1>was nice. It was like a lot of the lot.

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<v Speaker 1>That was another one of those things that's been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of irritating through this season. You know, poor poor, poor management,

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<v Speaker 1>lead management. That's what I'm calling poor lead management. That

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<v Speaker 1>was an issue all season long. And and and that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't an issue tonight. Our process remained good. Again, Like

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<v Speaker 1>every every issue that I had tonight was nitpicky like.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't blow my mind that Frank Vogel thinks

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good idea to chase Dennis Shrewder over the

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<v Speaker 1>top of screens. Yes, that blows my freaking mind. Like that,

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<v Speaker 1>just that continues to hammer home my philosophy that Frank

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<v Speaker 1>is obsessed with his own basketball philosophies rather than actually

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<v Speaker 1>catering to what his guys are good at. But like

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<v Speaker 1>that's a nitpicky thing, like the flip side is. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure Frank the way Frank sees it, like if we

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<v Speaker 1>press up on Dennis and chase him over the top

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<v Speaker 1>of screens will make him feel uncomfortable over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the game, and maybe that will you know, manifest

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<v Speaker 1>in the long run. And but yeah, but again these

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<v Speaker 1>are all nipicky thing. I thought we found too much.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we got we got way to reach in

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<v Speaker 1>happy underneath the basket after we get beat instead of

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<v Speaker 1>just walling up and making guys make shots over the

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<v Speaker 1>top of us. But again, just all nitpicky. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to stay mostly positive tonight. I thought, th ht uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we can kind of move on to him here, but

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<v Speaker 1>before before you move, before you move on a t

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<v Speaker 1>h D really quickly. Um. Lebron has had thirty in

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<v Speaker 1>the last in four of the last five games that

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<v Speaker 1>he's played. Um, which it doesn't feel that way just

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<v Speaker 1>because he's been on and off so much but it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of crazy to think about it, even with him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, load managing through games. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>Tony who covers the Utah Jazz. Tony jones Um, who

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<v Speaker 1>covers the Utah Jazz, said Lebron has had thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>four the last four games, four of the last five games.

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<v Speaker 1>It just doesn't feel that way. But I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to end with that. Lebron is still putting up you

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<v Speaker 1>know Lebron. Now, it's just he's held to a higher standard,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes sense, it's Lebron, but yeah, go ahead on

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<v Speaker 1>a t HD. I just want to throw that in

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<v Speaker 1>there because it just doesn't feel that way. It hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>felt like Lebron's had thirty in the last for the

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<v Speaker 1>last five he's played, but I guess that's what it is. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>really quickly on Lebron, like this is this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that's frustrating to me. It just as someone who's watched

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<v Speaker 1>him through his whole career. He's so good. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the Anthony Davis thing too. Lebron and a d half

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<v Speaker 1>the time, you you you you're you're like, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really play all that great, and then you look

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<v Speaker 1>at box score and it's like damn from seven, eight

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<v Speaker 1>and seven or Anthony Davis. It's textbook. It's the way

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Davis had thirty two and fourteen. I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was bad. Like that's that's just kind of the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the way those two guys are because they're so talented.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point is is, like we do know that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a difference between a really impactful thirty points and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty points, you know what I mean, Like Lebron's Lebron's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty points in the game against Sacramento and the triple

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<v Speaker 1>overtime game, you're like, like, really bad shot selection, really

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<v Speaker 1>bad game management. You probably were one of the main

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why they lost that game. That's not the same

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<v Speaker 1>as tonight, where from the opening tip you were setting

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<v Speaker 1>a tone. All of your baskets carried a great deal

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<v Speaker 1>of impact on the game, and as a result, it

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<v Speaker 1>gave time for for a D and Russ to find

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<v Speaker 1>their groove in the second half to help you get

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<v Speaker 1>that massively. Like to me, that's different, but again that's

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<v Speaker 1>just that to me, is the difference, like the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between the guy who averages twenty five and the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who's won of a super duperstar is impact within the stats,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, like like timely baskets, like within a

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<v Speaker 1>winning concept, like all of those different things are are

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<v Speaker 1>where what separates, you know, because you're gonna find lots

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<v Speaker 1>of guys in the league at average around twenty points

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<v Speaker 1>a game, you know what I mean. That's that's where

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<v Speaker 1>you see that difference. But moving moving on to th

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<v Speaker 1>h T. I've been infuriated with his offense that goes

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<v Speaker 1>without saying I think he's he's just he's and I

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<v Speaker 1>say infuriated, I understand it, Like to me, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>young basketball player, Like that's it's just it's just he's

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<v Speaker 1>entered the phase of the young basketball player slump where

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<v Speaker 1>he's just not even seeing the floor, like he's making

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<v Speaker 1>he's making reads off of what's happening two inches in

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<v Speaker 1>front of his face. Not kind of seeing like I

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier, like seeing the forest for the trees, like

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<v Speaker 1>understanding the dynamic of the five man offense, like you

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<v Speaker 1>could tell right now he's in such a jump shooting

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<v Speaker 1>slump that he's just taking every jump shot he can

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<v Speaker 1>see the rim on like there was one there. And

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end of the game where he just jacked

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<v Speaker 1>up a three in transition and could cause Frank to

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<v Speaker 1>call time out. There was one, and there was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first half where was the catch and shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>He was kind of open, but it was early in

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<v Speaker 1>the shot clock, and you're kind of thinking, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you maybe work for something better first, get yourself going

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<v Speaker 1>at the rim before you know. There are little things

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<v Speaker 1>like that that he has to to work out, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to somewhat handicap our offense in the meantime, however,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh well, after being kind of reckless and undisciplined against

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<v Speaker 1>the Clippers with a lot of reaching in and bowling

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<v Speaker 1>and getting out of position, I thought tonight was one

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<v Speaker 1>of his best defensive games as a Lakers, and and

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<v Speaker 1>his defensive ceiling is so much higher than everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>in the rotation that he kind of presents an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>ceiling raising kind of option here because because if he

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<v Speaker 1>does rein it in offensively enough by the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the season, and he's gonna get a lot of reps.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hope one of the biggest reasons why I

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<v Speaker 1>hope Lebron and a d stay healthy all season is

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<v Speaker 1>that th h t s role can stay more consistent

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<v Speaker 1>This is something I complained about a lot with him

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<v Speaker 1>early on, you know, just about every one of his

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<v Speaker 1>first you know, five six games when he came back

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<v Speaker 1>involved like really really strange, uh changing circumstances like could

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<v Speaker 1>be in the in the starting lineup, out of the

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<v Speaker 1>starting lineup with Russ with you know, with Lebron, without Lebron,

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<v Speaker 1>it is just kind of like really really inconsistent. If

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<v Speaker 1>he can get to the point where he even if

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<v Speaker 1>he's starting, which I don't like the idea of him starting,

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<v Speaker 1>if he can just get into that role, get that

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<v Speaker 1>same kind of minute structure for the rest of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>In Lebron and a d stay healthy, he's gonna find

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<v Speaker 1>an offensive role. And when he does, that will make

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<v Speaker 1>him a huge plus because right now you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>he's still a plus because of what he's bringing defensively.

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, that's that's just exciting. The love the

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<v Speaker 1>way you put it with THHD because you always say

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<v Speaker 1>he has one All Star play a game, right, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much one All Star Player game. I thought he had

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<v Speaker 1>like three or four tonight, Um, he had one play

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<v Speaker 1>where I think Dennis Shrewder tried to attack him, and

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<v Speaker 1>like Dennis did like a move, got a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of space and t Hd just blocked it straight up

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<v Speaker 1>like blocks Dennis Shrewder jumper. And then on Tatum as well,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a few players where Tatum came around the screen,

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<v Speaker 1>he gave him back pressure, gave enough time. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was Dwight Howard was the big to get back

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<v Speaker 1>to his man. He got back in front and may

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<v Speaker 1>Tatum kick it out Like those are plays and Tatum

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<v Speaker 1>is a superstar Paul George supers are you never gonna

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<v Speaker 1>stop them? But I thought his defense, just isolation defense

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<v Speaker 1>was really good. I thought we overhelped at times as well,

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<v Speaker 1>where um where Thd kind of had him in control

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<v Speaker 1>and Ellington or someone else would help one pass away.

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<v Speaker 1>And You're right, these are all gonna be growing pains

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to live with to get the result

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<v Speaker 1>you want in about four or five months, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's where you're looking for. Can you produced at the

0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.800
<v Speaker 1>playoff level? And his offense doesn't have to be superstar level, right,

0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.760
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be star double shot crane ability.

0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:03.280
<v Speaker 1>It just has to be enough because I think his

0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.960
<v Speaker 1>defense is already to the point now where he can

0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.200
<v Speaker 1>you can throw him on a good wing for like

0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.360
<v Speaker 1>minutes a game and not get killed. And I thought

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 1>that was huge. I thought being able to throw him

0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.040
<v Speaker 1>out there. I'm not sure if he'll stay in the

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.159
<v Speaker 1>starting lineup when we're all healthy, but I think he

0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:18.960
<v Speaker 1>needs to play. And you saw at the end of

0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the game there people were killing him. You talked about

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.639
<v Speaker 1>that three. I thought that was him just being happy

0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:26.720
<v Speaker 1>to have the ball in his hands, just to happy

0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.040
<v Speaker 1>to be the guy at the top of the key

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.119
<v Speaker 1>that has it, that can play around it. But I

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.280
<v Speaker 1>thought his cutting was so much better tonight. Did you

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 1>see that as well? Like I thought everyone cut better

0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.879
<v Speaker 1>tonight cutting, the cutting and interior passing was amazing. But

0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.320
<v Speaker 1>PhD was also good. Yeah, And I thought he really

0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.360
<v Speaker 1>picked his spots and he had again those all star

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.760
<v Speaker 1>type of plays where he cut catches it gather like

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 1>double reverse layup on the other side and it floats

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.560
<v Speaker 1>nicely into the basket. Like those are the star type

0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:53.720
<v Speaker 1>of players that I see, Like he has these. It's

0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.520
<v Speaker 1>it's weird because you'll have the crazy super finishes on

0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the wrong side with the right hand. He haste to

0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.040
<v Speaker 1>use his left hand obviously, so finishes with the right hand.

0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:02.879
<v Speaker 1>But he'll miss like the easy lay up where he

0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>drives right by someone. So other stuff he has to

0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.359
<v Speaker 1>work on. But I think there's stuff there to work on.

0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And the talk for the last few days obviously has

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.359
<v Speaker 1>been the you know, the Indiana Pacers are kind of

0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.280
<v Speaker 1>open and trading Miles Turner and Sabonis, and I think

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.199
<v Speaker 1>the best trades are the one where both teams hate it,

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 1>because I've seen the Indian Ana Pacers feel just the

0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.879
<v Speaker 1>Pacer fans feel disrespected by it. But like, this is

0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>like the type of talent I think that he has

0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and we have a twenty one year old You talked

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>about it. These are young basketball plays like he hasn't

0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.679
<v Speaker 1>He hasn't been in situations a million times to know

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.360
<v Speaker 1>what to do on every single read. You're right, he's

0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.480
<v Speaker 1>driving in when they're closing out shore. That's just stuff

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.120
<v Speaker 1>to me you have to live with because I think

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you're right. His defense is too good, like it's they

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.199
<v Speaker 1>needed on this team. And I thought you saw some

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of those runs would team would go on these defensive runs,

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:49.439
<v Speaker 1>And I thought we kind of saw some of that

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.879
<v Speaker 1>tonight where it was like th hd Bron and a

0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 1>D and even Russ engaged. It's just a bunch of length,

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of athleticism on the floor. So I thought

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:58.520
<v Speaker 1>it was a nice game. I thought tonight was his

0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.160
<v Speaker 1>best game, even if it wasn't his best offensive game.

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was the best game he had in

0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 1>terms of like impacting the game in terms of winter loss. Yeah,

0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.119
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was a really good game from him,

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.160
<v Speaker 1>which is ironic after you know, kind of the way

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>you started the game offensively. It's interesting with young players

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 1>because you know, there's two different kinds of young player

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 1>development patterns, and they tend to be different for guards

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 1>than they are for big So like for Biggs, for instance,

0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.560
<v Speaker 1>it's usually about them adding stuff, right, like, okay, deandreton

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>comes back shooting threes, or you know, the Dwight Howard

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 1>comes back taking more left handed hooks off the glass,

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 1>like they add things to their bag. But with guards

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.880
<v Speaker 1>in particular, it's more about cutting out the bad. Almost

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.639
<v Speaker 1>every guard when they come into the league has a

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.680
<v Speaker 1>really good handle and you know, reasonably good jump shot,

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>and those things will improve over the years and years

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 1>in the league, and but for the most part, their

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 1>improvement is kind of like trimming the fat. It's trimming

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.600
<v Speaker 1>poor shot selection, it's trimming poor decision and making. It's

0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:05.679
<v Speaker 1>trimming turnovers, it's it's trimming defensive lapses, it's taking the

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's the difference, you know, Like we

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>look at th h t s offensive season. We have

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 1>these three games at the beginning where he was amazing,

0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>right and he averaged twenty something, and then he's been

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:19.440
<v Speaker 1>horrible since for the most part offensively. But the truth

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>is is like over the course of a season for

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a young player, it's kind of what it looks like,

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:25.359
<v Speaker 1>usually not all stacked up at a row, but usually

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 1>it's like, dang, he had twenty five to night, and

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.159
<v Speaker 1>then he had four the next night, and then you know,

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:32.480
<v Speaker 1>then he had seventeen, and then he had six, and

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:34.160
<v Speaker 1>then he had twenty seven. You know, it's like that's

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of a young player experience. And then what happens

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>is with those guards, as they get better and they

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 1>learn how to replicate their success into into you know,

0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:46.360
<v Speaker 1>trim the things that led to their failure, it becomes

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>more replicable and now you're seeing you know, three and

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:53.879
<v Speaker 1>then a seven point night. You know, like it just

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 1>happens more frequently as they trimmed the fat out, and

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>so that's it's kind of cool. As we're watching th

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 1>HT to develop, it's gonna be a lot more of

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.120
<v Speaker 1>just trimming out the bad stuff, you know, which will

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>be interesting to watch. He is one of you know,

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.440
<v Speaker 1>this is he's one of the few defenders on our

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>team that actively makes offensive players feel uncomfortable. This is

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 1>a concept that I talked about a lot on this

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>show because there's such a huge This is a this

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>is a shortcoming of analytics. For instance, you know, if

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, if RAGE is guarding me and I

0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>shoot a three and he sticks his hand up as

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm shooting, that's going to register as a contested shot.

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.920
<v Speaker 1>But if th HD is guarding me, no offense to you, Rage,

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 1>You've got great physical tools. I'm just saying t HD

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 1>is at another level. But if th HD is guarding

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 1>me and he's really pressed up on me and he's

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:46.360
<v Speaker 1>disrupting my handle as I'm going and I elevate into

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 1>the shot and he's like up in me, like with

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>his his hand like up in between my hands in

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the face, that that is actually making me feel uncomfortable

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>as a shooter. That is a huge that is going

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>to also register as a contested shot. But the reality

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>is is that th ht contest has a much bigger

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>chance of making me miss than the than than the

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>RAJ contest, you know what I mean. And you know

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that that's kind of like it's kind of like with

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 1>It's It's kind of like with Jayson Tatum, you know tonight,

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, with some of the couple of the threes

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>he made there at the beginning of the game were

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>they were contested, but was he comfortable because he certainly

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>looked comfortable, you know what I mean. And then over

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the course of the game, we did a better job

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>of kind of tightening that up and he had to

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>get more of his stuff at the RAM after multiple

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.439
<v Speaker 1>counter moves, and we took away some of his easier shots.

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.560
<v Speaker 1>But the point is is like there's just a huge

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>difference between that Wayne Ellington. This season, you know, like

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>most of the Lakers has contested some shots. Tonight, I

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>saw Wayne Ellington actively making dudes uncomfortable, really kicking that

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>to another gear to where it's not I'm sticking a

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>hand up on the shot. It's no, I'm selling out

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to make this dude feel uncomfortable. On the contest. It's

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.239
<v Speaker 1>something we've seen from Austin Reeves all season long, you know,

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 1>in that son's games, like second game of the season

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Literally you saw, you know, Laker defender after

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Laker defender after Laker defender kind of throw up, you know,

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>feeble little contests on Chris Paul. And then you saw

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Austin Reeves get in there and really really sell out

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 1>to try to make him feeluncomfortable, and he started missing.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, that's the difference. That's the

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 1>next level, and that that that's that kind of defensive momentum.

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see this team build. There are guys

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>like th HT that just what their physical tools can

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>do whenever they want. But you're gonna see some more

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of that become part of our defensive culture. But again,

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I like th HD because if you have him in

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 1>any lineup, he's an actually disruptive defender. I got a

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>guy who you know, isolating him as kind of a

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>fool's errand there are just much better options, and so

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that kind of is exciting. I want to eventually, I

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>want to hear your response, but I want to eventually

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 1>talk more about the trade ideas. That center around him,

0:28:05.000 --> 0:28:07.440
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of that timeline that I'm discussing, a

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of that trimming of the fat directly relates to

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>what his trade potential looks like. Because if he starts

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 1>to trim the fat here in the next month a

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.919
<v Speaker 1>little bit and start to look like a functional member

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>of our closing lineup, I don't think he can trade

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 1>him because of his inevitable ceiling down the line. But

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>you know there if there's that fine line there where

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to weigh those two concepts against each other.

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>The urgency of the window with th HDS development, Yeah,

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>for sure. And he's learning how to do winning habits right,

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>and championship habits and that stuff you don't get on

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>a bad team. He could easily be We always talked

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>about it. He could be on another team, get all

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the on ball reps, get all the pick and roll reps,

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, average the eighteen five with you know, all

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>the turnovers, but you know it solid, flashy. But he's

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>on a team with better ball handlers than he is.

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 1>He's on team where he's not the first, second, or

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>even third option. He has to learn how to play

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>off ball. And I think that that works in his

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>favor to become a winning player in that situation, it's

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna take time. Players like that, players like THHD have

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>had the ball in their hands their whole career, uh

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>their whole basketball career before they got to the league.

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>That's just who he is, and that's the reason to

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>me why he is more comfortable taking threes off the

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>dribble right. And you'll see him even when he's open,

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>he'll like to dribble in, or he's more comfortable coming

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>off a screen and pulling up or on a pull

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>up jumper. His form looks even better, it looks more

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>smooth that way. But he's trying to work into his

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>spot up shooting. I still think he has to be

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 1>somewhat of a respectable spot up shooter um to play

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>when it when it really matters. But the defense already

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 1>made as far ahead as it is, I think it's

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>really huge and it just shows his development. And again,

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the offense doesn't have to be great, but I thought,

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 1>tonw you saw semblances of what it can look like.

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>You saw some other good process stuff. You saw him

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>screening for Lebron and then slipping, and then you saw

0:29:57.560 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>TC be able to attack like four on five when

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Boston with trap and it just plays into his strains, right,

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>he gets to go downhill. He got to get some

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>finishes over al Horford, I thought tonight, which were really smooth.

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>He has a finishing game there, and it's just stuff

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that it's all gonna be growing pains, like he could

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>easily the next few games and I'll play well again,

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>not finished at the like, it's just it's gonna be

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>up and down and there's and he's not the player

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>that he was when he started. He's not a twenty

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.239
<v Speaker 1>point game player. He's not a player that gonna hit

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 1>a shot for the last few games. Somewhere in between,

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>we see him getting better. I thought. I thought tonight

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>he was the most comfortable I've seen him. Uh, And

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>he's just gonna continue to get reps next to Russ,

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>next to Lebron. But I saw a good process stuff

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>and I'd like to see I'd like to see it more.

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see him with some shooting around him, right,

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just tough. When he there was some

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>place tonight where it was like Russ drives and then

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>he kicks it out to th HD THHD drives and

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.719
<v Speaker 1>kicks it out to Avery Bradley and then Avery Bradley

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 1>like there's just it's just like it's you know, it's

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>just going nowhere. And I just like a little bit

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>of spacing line. You talked about Ellington's defense, um, and

0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that to me all year, Like he's never

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>going to be great, but I think he's solid enough,

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't think he's gonna kill you, Like I

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like he's in the right place. He's not you know,

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>he's not gonna be ever quick enough to stay with

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>guards and stuff like that, but I think he's just

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a solid guy. Um that I'd like to for him

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:16.720
<v Speaker 1>to get more minutes, but we'll see. But yeah, I

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 1>thought t was again good Tonight. Defense was fantastic. This

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>help defense is getting better. He had some steals in

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>transition where like someone would try to cross left or

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>right and he just pick it right away one on one.

0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I think he had like two steals um in transition

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>like that. And you're right, his length is his length

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>is a problem. Is it's something that is bothering people.

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>It bothered Paul George. It definitely bothered Jayson Tatum. Those

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 1>twos are still gonna get buckets. They're superstars. But he

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>did his job and that's that's all you can ask.

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And you can see that Vogo really likes him. It's

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>why he continues to start even when his offense is

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>is ugly. And I think he's gonna stay in the

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>starting lineup at least until a reason gets back here. Yeah,

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I agree, I would expect him too as well. I would.

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't think it's completely out of the realm of

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>possibility that he would continue to start. Dirt becomes back term,

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 1>but so so let's let's because this was something that

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>popped across the timeline. I think I think it was

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>today obviously with the news that the Pacers were going

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>to be potentially entering into a rebuild phase that they

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>probably should have entered in a few years ago. But

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the the let's obviously th hd like we just got.

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>If he can trim the fat um and kind of

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>find a functional offensive role on the team, he kind

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>of fills the role of a forward because he's so strong,

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 1>his center of gravity is so low you can't really

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>push him off of his spot in physical size mismatches,

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's got so much length that he can really,

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>really bother you at the when you're trying to shoot

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:43.959
<v Speaker 1>over the top of him. So let's obviously accepting the

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 1>fact that if he kind of develops into what the

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Lakers need him to be, he is the best option

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>while also having the long term ceiling, and they should

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>keep him. But let's pretend we're sitting in January February

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>and the THHD thing just isn't panning out still, you know,

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>making mistakes off ball in the defense, complete liability, jump shooting, um,

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, struggling with decision making, blah blah blah. What

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>did you think about the concept of flipping th h

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 1>T and Kendrick Nunn for for Miles Turner demonus opponents. Yeah,

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's tough. Obviously I don't watch the Pacers enough,

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>but I mean I followed. I mean, Kyln Cooper is

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>a person who goes with him, and she thinks that

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 1>trade is kind of crazy, and it would to me like,

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you're getting an all Star back if you get the bonus, right,

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the bonus has made an All Star team.

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Miles Turner is a really good player. I'd worry about

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 1>the fit. I mean, it's a tough question to me,

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Like it's the same kind of conversation we had. Remember

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 1>after the next game, I think we talked about Jeremy Grant,

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>right because Jeremy Grant, I think rumors came up. And

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a similar kind of situation to that. If the

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>team is rolling and you think that's the you know,

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>that's the way to go, then then maybe you know,

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you go ahead and make that move. We'll see. I

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>think Taylor would have to show more or to me

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>for that to be the trade. I think there would

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>be better just in my opinion, I think there's better

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>offers out there for the Pacers to go and get.

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>And then with Miles Turner, I would be worried a

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>little bit about the fit. I feel like trading for

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 1>another You know, Molestern is a good shooter. He's shooting

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I think thirty nine percent from three, like he's a

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>legit three point shooter. But I feel like that kind

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 1>of you know, handicaps you to kind of play big,

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>right because you're gonna start a d and Miles it

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>would kind of make a d uh play the five

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>even less. I guess it would move him to the

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>power forward and to me that the ceiling of this

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 1>team is still brawn and a D at the four

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>or five, Like, I think that's your main ceiling and

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you build around that. But Turner is an amazing player,

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>He's him, and a D would be incredible as a

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>defensive president. It's a it's a tough question to me

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>because Taylor is really your only trade piece, right Like,

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>once you move that, that's pretty much like you don't

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>have anything behind that. Um if you move him, and

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>we'll see what Kendrick Nunn, who hasn't played a minute tonight.

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like that it's such a tough thing

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>for me to say yes right now, we're like two

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 1>games over five hundred. Was see how the season goes.

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>But it's something definitely they're gonna have to look at though.

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.399
<v Speaker 1>But I just I don't have a decision right now,

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Like that's a really tough thing to to go through

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and just trade tailing because I think there is enough there.

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>It's not the ideal fit for him. He's obviously a

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>guy who needs facing and a guy probably where you

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>know his ceiling as a as if everything was in

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.959
<v Speaker 1>an ideal world, he's the ball handler on your team

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.319
<v Speaker 1>who's making the decisions. That's just not what it is

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>right now, but I think there's something to build build

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 1>around that that can be super useful for a championship

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 1>team to have to have a guy with young legs,

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>a guy with this type of potential I think is

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 1>good to have on the team. But I understand the

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 1>other side too. What what about you? What do you

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>what did you think of those trades? What do you

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.399
<v Speaker 1>think of the the fake trades that were coming out

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>for a turner in sabonus. So again, the idea of

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>whether or not we should trade THHD is a separate

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 1>topic of from who you trade him for. Okay, So

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 1>like whether we should trade th HD, one has to

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 1>do with is the team trending in the direction that

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>you think they have a legitimate chance to win the championship?

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>And is th HT not a big part of that?

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Because it's because if the team is trending towards an obvious,

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>like legitimate run at the title, and th HD is

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 1>a big part of that because he's defending extremely well

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>and playing a role in our offense, then hell no,

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't trade them, you know, because whatever you're getting back,

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>you have to factor in what you're losing with th HT.

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>But if we are trending towards a clear run to

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the title, and th HT is struggling. That's when you

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>have to make the philosophical decision, which is, don't have

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.839
<v Speaker 1>one ft straddling either end of the line, because that's

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>when you end up unsatisfied now and unsatisfied later. So

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 1>once we've accepted that, let's for the sake of accepting,

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, for the sake of argument, let's say we

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>have decided to trade th HT. What what you know,

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 1>archetype of players should we be looking for? Now you

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>have we've discussed three completely different kinds. Right, we have

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 1>jare Me Grant, the athletic, slashing wing. Then we have

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Miles Turner, who's more of a like kind of the

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>modern form of a stretch rim protecting center who can

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.840
<v Speaker 1>shoot the three ball and as a great shot blocker.

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 1>And then you have Demonic Sabonis, who's, you know, a

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 1>low post scorer who has some capability to shoot from

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the perimeter, although this season he has a shot well

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>from the perimeter. Um. But you know, one of the

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 1>things with sa Bonus that I think is interesting is

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>he kind of reminds me a little bit of Kevin

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Love in the sense that Kevin Love used to be

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 1>a dominant post player as long as he had a

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>clear physical advantage, you know, like if you could get

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 1>him against skinny forwards, he would kill them. If you

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 1>could get him on switches against guards, he would kill them.

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>That was one of the things the Calves used to

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 1>always do when they play the Raptors is really spam,

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, pick and roll with uh with Lebron and

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Loved to try to get switches and then they

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 1>would go to Kevin Love in the pos. But then

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>whenever Kevin Love would face like a really big, strong,

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>athletic power forward, which would inevitably would be would would

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 1>be who the Calves would face in late playoff rounds,

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>think like a Draymond Green or you know any of

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the Celtics forwards, or like a you know, a Daddy

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>s Young or something like that. He would really struggle

0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:23.760
<v Speaker 1>because he wouldn't have the physical tools necessary to score.

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>And I see that a lot with Sabonus when I

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>watch him, you know, like when he when he has mismatches,

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.879
<v Speaker 1>he's the dominant post score. But I've seen him get

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 1>physically mauled defensively by bigger stronger forwards that aren't easy

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to score on in the post. And so to me,

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Sabonis is like a massive cross off, like clear nonfit. Uh,

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>not anywhere near a good enough floor space or to

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>make any sense, not anywhere near to Dwight's probably a

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 1>better defender than him right now. Like to me, the

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Sabonis is like, like, don't even bring that up. To me,

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that's a terrible, terrible, terrible basketball decision. Miles Turner and

0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Grant, now we're talking philosophy here, because Miles Turner,

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>we got a rim space, you know, a guy who

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>can protect the rim, so basically the dream for Frank Vogel,

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 1>but a guy who can space the floor. Right now,

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>this is where it becomes like philosophically, what direction do

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.479
<v Speaker 1>we want the team to be going? And to me,

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>this is a team that already has the two centers

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 1>they need to play the style of basketball they need

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>to play, which is lots and lots of shooting, lots

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and lots of foot speed and stagger a d and Dwight.

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>That to me makes the most sense for what they

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 1>can do on both ends of the floor. So adding

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 1>Miles Turner into that makes really convolutes it, because now

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 1>you're either kicking Dwight out of the rotation, who's a

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 1>solid backup center, or you're going back to playing huge.

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>And now we're getting back into the situation where it's like, Okay,

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>can Myles Turner run up and down the floor consistently

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 1>against teams that try to really get after us in transition?

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>You what I mean, that's where I am going to

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:05.919
<v Speaker 1>constantly point us back towards forwards, guys along the lines

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.640
<v Speaker 1>of Jeremy Grant. If we do decide to cash in

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 1>the th HT non contracts for a good piece, to me,

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 1>it has to be for a wing. That is our clear,

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 1>our clear shortcoming on a roster. It's the main reason

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 1>why a lot of our lineups don't make any sense,

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>or at least up to this point in the season.

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 1>That to me, philosophically needs to be the way we

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 1>were looking. So what I was bothered to be bothered

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 1>today when I saw the the Turner um, you know,

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Sabonis trade ideas getting bounced around, because to me, it

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:41.319
<v Speaker 1>was like, whoa, this should be a universal no from

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Laker fans. You know, this is this is this is

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 1>just I get the talent add idea of it. But

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.200
<v Speaker 1>this is a clue, like, this is not a roster

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 1>need for us. You know, we are issue is that

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>we have too many yards and we have too many bigs.

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>It's the last thing we need is another big. So

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 1>I just just from a basketball philosophy standpoint, I didn't

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 1>like either of those ideas. That's where I'm at too.

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jeremy Grant, I'm not sure if he's a

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 1>better player than you know, Turner, and but that's kind

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:12.839
<v Speaker 1>of that would be the ideal fit for me. And

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, Jeremy Grant went to uh went to Detroit.

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to be the guy there. I'm not sure

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 1>if he's available or not, but that'd be the kind

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 1>of ideal player to me. I was thinking about something

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.439
<v Speaker 1>because when I saw these trades, I thought about Stan

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.919
<v Speaker 1>stand Gundy, who actually did the game tonight, but when

0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the Celtics were playing the Bucks in the playoff series.

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was the playoff series with Kyrie and

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 1>he was talking about the difference between Marcus Morris and

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 1>like Al Horford right as three point shooters, and I

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.279
<v Speaker 1>believe Al Horford had the better three point percentage, right

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't put up the volume. So he was

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about when he would tell his his players like

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 1>they were closing. Now closed out to Marcus Morris because

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 1>he'll actually shoot every time he's open, you know, Al

0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Horford kind of he's kind of he'll shoot if he's

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.479
<v Speaker 1>like wide open, but he doesn't shoot every time he's open.

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of how I see the Miles Turner fit.

0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Davis like, Miles Turner is a good three point shoter,

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 1>but he's like he doesn't put up the volume to

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 1>be defended as a three point shooter to me, And

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the way A d plays as well. Like I

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>feel like you still have the same issue of the

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 1>paint pack, but you know, Turner is a great player

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 1>if you can get him for talent. I think the

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>fit issues are there, but it's a talent lead like

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>you would add talent, it's a bonus. I I see

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying with the fit, but I think he's

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 1>just a super good passer. You know, he's a really

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 1>good he has a really great feel for the game.

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Like again, he had one All Star appearance, but I

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 1>think he's like a really it's another just you're adding

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>just stacking talent on talent. The fit isn't great, but

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I think him and a D would be a force Offensively.

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>We'll have to see defensively he's not great at switching

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and all that. But I think that's still a huge

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.480
<v Speaker 1>just talent upgrade if you're able to get that. But again,

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 1>I have no clue how the Pacers feel about th

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 1>HT and and and vice versa. But yeah, that's it's

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>a very interesting conversation and I think those won't be

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>the last two that we talked about this. As the

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>season goes on, more teams will kind of fade into

0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the let's rebuild and sell our parts kind of part

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of the season, and you'll see that continue. Um, I

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>think Taylan is available, not even to be available to

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>be traded until December fifteenth anyway, But yeah, you'll see

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>more of this come up. But the bonus in China

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 1>are definitely interesting, interesting guys to look at because those

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 1>are definitely huge talent upgrades and the fit is still

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit questionable too. Well. The problem is when

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 1>we drop a forward, we were screwed, you know, like

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.919
<v Speaker 1>we like when you found out Lebron in COVID you're

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.359
<v Speaker 1>literally sitting on your couch as a Laker fan thinking like,

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>oh no, like we we can't even feel the basketball

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 1>team here, Like we're gonna have to do super j

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.919
<v Speaker 1>K stuff like play two bigs all the time and

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>and just just hope that we could score enough points

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>and and defend well enough to to stay competitive in

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.439
<v Speaker 1>these games. It's because we just don't have that kind

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 1>of player on the roster. We literally don't like I Like,

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.799
<v Speaker 1>I've said a lot Carmelo Anthony is six ft eight,

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>but he is not a He is not a wing.

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>He's basically he's a lot more of like a Wayne

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Ellington who happens to be tall than he is a

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a Jeremy Grant, you know what I mean. Like,

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>he is not a guy who he does not fulfill

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the defensive responsibilities of a wing. So because he doesn't

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 1>fulfill the defensive responsibilities of a wing, he can't be

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 1>considered once th HD. For instance, even though he's only

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 1>six ft four, he can fulfill the defensive responsibilities of

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a wing. That's what kind of makes him so valuable.

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's why if he does trend towards becoming a

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 1>functional part of our offense. You have to keep him

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 1>because now he kind of fulfills that role in the

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>immediate future with all the All Star potential down the line,

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 1>but right now we're just thin at that position. Now,

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:47.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe your Reason comes back and and everyone stays healthy,

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and you're looking at it like, Bam, we've got three

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 1>guys who can fulfill that job of that mobile, versatile

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 1>wing with Lebron, with Trevor Reza in with with th

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 1>h T, and maybe it all works out. But the

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 1>problem is is one of those guys is twenty one,

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 1>just turned twenty one years old and is completely you know,

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:09.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, like in the in the midst of a

0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>massive you know, young basketball player offensive slump. The other

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>guy just had ankle surgery. And the third guy is

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 1>thirty seven. So that's kind of our issue right now,

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>right is in theory, Like and this is what Rob

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.359
<v Speaker 1>would probably tell you if you were picking his brain, like, hey,

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, do you have any regrets about the summer,

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Like he'd probably he'd probably tell you like, I thought

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>we'd have th h T, Lebron and Trevor Reason the win,

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, And we've had and we've

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 1>lost Lebron for half the games. We lost th HD

0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 1>for a third of the games, and we've lost a

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 1>reason for all the games. And for half of the

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>games that th HD has played, he's been unplayable because

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 1>of his youthful mistakes, and Lebron hasn't really been engaged.

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 1>That's that's the reality of the situation. But that's why

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I keep looking towards that position group as the area

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of opportunity. If you get to the point where you

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 1>gotta make trade, if you can turn the twenty one

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>year old, you know, versatile forward who is unplayable on

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 1>some nights, into a guy like Jeremy Grant who is,

0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:09.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, not an All Star, but in that tier

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.399
<v Speaker 1>right below All Star in terms of like really really

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>good NBA player, then I think you gotta do it,

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. But that that's that's that's

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of the way that I look at this, because

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be you're gonna know when the time comes.

0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>No one's making any trades right now, but when when

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, late January early February comes, you're gonna you're

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:33.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna have a set of circumstances we're gonna you know,

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 1>right now, what are we thirteen and twelve or whatever

0:46:35.640 --> 0:46:38.239
<v Speaker 1>it is that we are or when you know at

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>that point where you know, we might be fifteen, you know,

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 1>but and then we can all be sitting here thinking,

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, th HD is great, this is great. All

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 1>we need to do is just continue this momentum. But

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>all I'm saying is that if we get to that

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 1>point and in the opportunities there, don't hold your chips

0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.839
<v Speaker 1>to your chest, you know what I mean. And yeah,

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.399
<v Speaker 1>t hds are only trade piece now, but let's say

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you did trade him for Jeremy Grant. Jeremy Grant is

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 1>a trade piece. You know that at that point he

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 1>would still have one year on his contract, could be

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 1>a really really good wing who makes twenty million, and

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.320
<v Speaker 1>that that makes him, you know, in that same class

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>of the you know, the Harrison Barnes is of the

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 1>league that that that everyone is always wanting to offer

0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:20.799
<v Speaker 1>trades for at the trade that, you know what I mean.

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 1>So I again it's it's this is all high and

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>this guy stuff. We're way down the line here, but

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's just I just wanted to bring it up

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:31.959
<v Speaker 1>because it was definitely something I was balancing around with

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>with Laker fans earlier today. Oh yeah, for sure. It

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 1>was a It was a big topic. And I don't

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:38.839
<v Speaker 1>know if he saw in the game today. I think

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>like Tatum blew by Carmelo Anthony and stand standba gun,

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:44.359
<v Speaker 1>He's like, this is why you go out and get

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Trevor Reason. I was just thinking, like that's kind of

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 1>a para to Trevor Reason, you know, thirty six year

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 1>old Trevor Reason as the main stopper. But I'd like

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>to see this team fully healthy, you know, before we

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>just shuffle everything and and move everyone out or fire

0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:01.239
<v Speaker 1>someone as as we've talked about things at lanes here,

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I'd like to see the team healthy. We got

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>news that Kendrick Nunn is probably not gonna play until

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 1>until yeah, until January. Trevor Reason is practicing with the

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:12.839
<v Speaker 1>team though, Like that's good news, so you should be

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe a week and maybe a week out. We'll see

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>how they want to ramp him up. But I just

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.320
<v Speaker 1>like to seeing this team healthy. We just got DeAndre

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Jordan kicked out of the rotation like two or three

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 1>games ago, you know, and like we just and tonight

0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 1>was the first time we got a d after five

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>starting since the last It's not exactly I'd like to

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:33.359
<v Speaker 1>see it, you know, I'd like to see the team

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 1>get a chance healthy before we break everything up. A

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 1>D started the five for the first time or night

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:40.759
<v Speaker 1>since that Boston game. After that Boston game, I believe

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>DJ started, or do I Howard started after every single

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>one and the next few games here are all winnable.

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.719
<v Speaker 1>We played Memphis without I believe John morant Um. Then

0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>they play Okay, see the Orlando Magic, the Mavericks who

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 1>haven't been playing well, the Timberwolves, who you know, that's

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 1>a winnable game, and then he played Chicago. But the

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 1>next five games are all winnable. This team has lost

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:02.720
<v Speaker 1>the benefit of a doubt obviously, um in that regard,

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>but these games are winnable here. You can if you're

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 1>sitting at you know, eighteen and thirteen after these games,

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 1>like that's a good start of the season after what happened.

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:12.439
<v Speaker 1>So I just want to see the team at least

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 1>get a chance because I think they are building up here.

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I think Russell Westbrook has gotten in an absolute groove,

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and I have a D eighty can join him. We're

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.839
<v Speaker 1>starting to get Lebron healthy. This is his second straight game.

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 1>He hasn't played four straight games yet this season. Like

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.919
<v Speaker 1>there's stuff I want to see before we just you know, uh,

0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 1>throw everything everything in the trade machine. But but yeah,

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.760
<v Speaker 1>it seems like it's trending up here, and hopefully people

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:36.399
<v Speaker 1>get healthy Kendrick Nunn again in January. But Trevor rees

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is practicing like I'd like to see him play. Austin

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.879
<v Speaker 1>Reeves didn't even play tonight until garbage time. We'll see

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 1>if he's in and now the rotation. But yeah, and

0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 1>hopefully this is a trend upwards because I think I

0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 1>saw a lot of good process stuff tonight. I love

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:51.359
<v Speaker 1>how we used Wayne Ellington in the second half next

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to Lebron Leek Munk continues to just be fantastic, Like

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 1>there's things, there's little spots in here that have been

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.319
<v Speaker 1>growing as the team has been losing, Like the Milake

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Mudd thing I think is real. Right, would even discuss

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 1>him tonight, but like he's been playing well even as

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:05.919
<v Speaker 1>the team was losing. And then you see it when

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the team starts to roll. How much how much more

0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 1>of that adds, how much his punch, his just energy,

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.799
<v Speaker 1>his juice gives to the team when he comes in

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the game. So it's just some stuff that I'm saying

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that's good process that I'd like to stick with as

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 1>as we go forward here. Yeah, well, we're not going

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:24.879
<v Speaker 1>to commit to any sort of sweeping declaration that things

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:29.640
<v Speaker 1>have changed. We've been hurt too many times. Yeah, I

0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:34.360
<v Speaker 1>swear that stupid that that road win over Sacramento. After

0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 1>the game against Detroit where Lebron and A d were

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 1>both so good, I was all in on this concept, like, Hey,

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>this is happening now. And then they came out and

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:46.560
<v Speaker 1>literally looked horrible against against the Clippers, and everyone was horrible.

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Lebron was horrible, Anthony Davis is horrible, like Frank Vogel

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 1>was one arguably his worst game as a coach. Like

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 1>it was just a just a really, really bad a

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:57.960
<v Speaker 1>night there to just kind of remind us that that's

0:50:58.000 --> 0:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the kind of the kind of season that it was.

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.400
<v Speaker 1>It's always funny when I h you had mentioned that

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Russ has been really good. He has, He's been fantastic.

0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:08.120
<v Speaker 1>It's always funny like when you listen to um, you know,

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 1>people outside of the Laker fan base and I'm not

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 1>judging them by any stretch of the imagination because you

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and I do the same thing. Like we're basketball fans,

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>so guess what, Like we're going to comment on Demonis

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 1>sa Bonis even though we haven't watched him as much

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>as Indiana Pacers fans have, you know, And you know

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:22.960
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have a We're gonna have a pot on

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 1>an off day one of these days where we talk

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.480
<v Speaker 1>about the rest of the league and it's not obviously

0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 1>we don't pay as close attention to them as as Lakers.

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not gonna sit here and tell people you're

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 1>not allowed to talk about him. But it's funny because

0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I listened to Russillo and Simmons today and you know

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that the Lakers came up in the very first thing

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that Bill Simmons started ranting about was Russell Westbrook and

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:45.720
<v Speaker 1>the fit. And I'm just like, oh, you haven't watched

0:51:45.760 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the Lakers, like because they like the Lakers have a

0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.359
<v Speaker 1>ton of problems and russ just isn't one of them,

0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:55.320
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like even the spacing stuff

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:58.440
<v Speaker 1>hasn't really reared its ugly head. I mean tonight, he

0:51:58.480 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>had a stretch there in the beginning of the first

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 1>quarter where he missed a couple of wide open threes

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.239
<v Speaker 1>in a row, but it's like this season he's been

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 1>shooting those pretty well. So I mean, yeah, to the

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>if you just turn on the game, you might sit

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.040
<v Speaker 1>there and go like, oh, look, they're ignoring Russ and

0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:13.320
<v Speaker 1>he's hurting the team. But it's like we've been watching

0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:15.919
<v Speaker 1>all season and he's made enough of those to where

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been a problem, you know what I mean.

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, we're not gonna We're not gonna get get

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 1>too amped up or excited about anything until until they

0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.759
<v Speaker 1>really ripped something a good long streak off. I mean

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 1>to give you an idea. One of my big philosophies

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.800
<v Speaker 1>coming into the season, if you remember, was the idea

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 1>that when Lebron in a D play, the Lakers went

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 1>about seventy eight percent of their games. That was the

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 1>case for the first two seasons of the Lebron in

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:45.399
<v Speaker 1>a D era, and tonight was just the twelve game

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the season step both Lebron and a D have played,

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and they went seven and five. Are they went seven

0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and five in those twelve games, So what that means

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 1>is the Lakers would have to win ten more in

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 1>a row right now, uh, in order to get to

0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:00.799
<v Speaker 1>that you know, seventy eight percent win percentage that they

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 1>had in the previous seasons, which by the way, they're

0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:05.919
<v Speaker 1>very capable of. I mean, their schedule is so tough

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the season that it's far more likely

0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.880
<v Speaker 1>that if they do pull that off, it's more of

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like we went, you know, five and four over game

0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 1>stretch rather than actually ripping off a win street, because

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.239
<v Speaker 1>if the Lakers were going to do that, it would

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:21.719
<v Speaker 1>have been at the beginning of the season when they

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:24.400
<v Speaker 1>had the easy cupcake part of their schedule. But you know,

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 1>the Lakers dug themselves a little bit of a hole

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>because they went five hundred against their cupcake schedule and

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>now they're and now they're heading into the Like you said,

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 1>there's some winnable games here on the horizon, but they're

0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 1>they're heading into a pretty tough end of their end

0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.320
<v Speaker 1>of their schedule. But the truth is is the Lakers

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 1>can go on a run and they can kind of

0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:45.480
<v Speaker 1>re establish that same formula that that carried them in

0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.560
<v Speaker 1>previous years. It's all possible. Um, But you know, like

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:51.080
<v Speaker 1>we said, we're not gonna sit there and and and

0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:52.759
<v Speaker 1>pretend like we know for sure it's going to happen,

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:54.959
<v Speaker 1>because this team has just proven to us too many

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 1>times that that's not really what they're made of, at

0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 1>least to this point. That obviously can change. Did you

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.319
<v Speaker 1>have anything else you wanted to touch on tonight? Yeah,

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 1>just last last few things. Russ's numbers, the lass like

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:08.720
<v Speaker 1>his games. I'm just looking at maybe we can equival

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 1>about the numbers and how much they matter and how

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 1>much you know they're impacted winning. But twenty nine, ten

0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:17.160
<v Speaker 1>and eleven, twenty five, six and nine, five and six. Um,

0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:19.439
<v Speaker 1>he had the one stinker against the Clippers, rose twenty

0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 1>ten points. But again tonight eleven and three. Like he's

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>been there and it's not that he's not a problem

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Like there's things you have to do to

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 1>act us to Russ. I've been down that since the

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the season. Decision to me was about fitting

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Russ around a title core, and we just haven't had

0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Lebron play enough. UM eight has been a d has

0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:41.560
<v Speaker 1>played well. The numbers, the numbers have been really good.

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I still feel like there's games where he blacking and

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.840
<v Speaker 1>waynes his effort. But I think Russ is a weapon

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:48.319
<v Speaker 1>that you have to deploy in a correct way, and

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I think we're kind of seeing that process start to work.

0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I think Vogel starting to figure out. I think the

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:56.319
<v Speaker 1>A D at the five stuff is extremely key for us,

0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:59.719
<v Speaker 1>even when it's nonshooters. The spacing of the floor just

0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:02.080
<v Speaker 1>make more sense for him, and I think we're starting

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:04.320
<v Speaker 1>to see that payoff. And the last thing, Carmelo Anthony

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:07.080
<v Speaker 1>tonight twenty one minutes, I think that's where his minute

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:09.360
<v Speaker 1>load should be. I thought you saw him kind of

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.200
<v Speaker 1>pop off the screen a little bit more. He could

0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:13.200
<v Speaker 1>pick his spots a little bit better. That's just a

0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.799
<v Speaker 1>spot up guy or a post up guy. It's like

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:18.600
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes a half instead, Like I was looking, he

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 1>played forty three minutes against the King's six games ago.

0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Like if Carmelo had, he's playing forty three minutes for

0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:25.440
<v Speaker 1>your team, you're a good basketball team. And that kind

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.360
<v Speaker 1>of goes into the that kind of goes into the

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:29.160
<v Speaker 1>forward issue that we have and all that. But I

0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 1>thought tonight, it just it looks so much better when

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:33.799
<v Speaker 1>he can just pick his spots as a score for

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:35.839
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes a game, and the defense is never gonna

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:37.920
<v Speaker 1>be great, it's gonna get picked on a few times.

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought he's in the right spots and all that.

0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:42.279
<v Speaker 1>But I thought, like, we're seeing kind of the evolution

0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of the team of what it will be when when

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 1>everything is kind of finalized, and I think Carmelo at

0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:49.839
<v Speaker 1>like sixteen to twenty minutes a game as part of that,

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 1>and I thought he it was another good game for him.

0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.400
<v Speaker 1>He didn't make a three tonight, but four for eleven,

0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 1>I die his offense was was fine. I thought he'd

0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>fit into the scheme of what we want to do.

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 1>So there was the last three things. Goodwin man a

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:02.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of positives I know from us tonight, but I thought,

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that's important. I think it was a finally

0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:08.120
<v Speaker 1>a fun one for us and everyone else didn't enjoy here. Yeah,

0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:10.359
<v Speaker 1>so you actually just reminded me of one last thing

0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:11.800
<v Speaker 1>that we'll touch on and then we'll call you tonight.

0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Did you happen to see Anthony Irwin's like, uh like

0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:18.399
<v Speaker 1>lineup rules thing that he sent out a couple days

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 1>ago rules? No, I didn't see that, So it was

0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:23.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of an interesting concept. I wanted to make sure

0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Anthony got credit for it, because this is I mean,

0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 1>these are kind of ideas that I think all of

0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 1>us have had. But it's just like a like, if

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 1>if Frank could just and he followed most of these

0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>rules tonight, not all of them, but most of these rules,

0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:42.680
<v Speaker 1>but this, uh, you know. Basically, the idea was, uh,

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, just a couple of checklist items that if

0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the lineups fit into these rules, then things would make

0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:50.879
<v Speaker 1>a lot of more sense. And the ideas were like, hey, like,

0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:54.319
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna play two bigs, can't be with RUSS, right,

0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 1>So never ever ever start a center alongside a D

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:02.440
<v Speaker 1>because you should ever ever have the impact of RUSS

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 1>is spacing and the impact of a traditional center spacing, right.

0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:09.160
<v Speaker 1>So like, if they're going to play in a D

0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:12.960
<v Speaker 1>DWIGHT lineup, it should be you know, with either three

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 1>shooters or with lebron and two shooters or something along

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 1>something along those lines where you know, not only can

0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:22.800
<v Speaker 1>you functionally run a defense by having those two big

0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:24.959
<v Speaker 1>guys in the background of background to kind of cover

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>for other guys mistakes, but it's just there's a lot

0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:29.880
<v Speaker 1>more space to operate. And then the other rules were

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 1>like staggered T H T and RUSS, which obviously I

0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:34.480
<v Speaker 1>T is gonna play the big minutes, you can't fully

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 1>stagger them. But yeah, I would stagger t h T

0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and Russ. I don't. It's one of the big reasons

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>why I don't like starting th h T. It's the

0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:46.240
<v Speaker 1>idea that our best opportunity, to our best opportunity to

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:48.840
<v Speaker 1>set th HT up for success with his rhythm is

0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 1>to kind of do what what I've always talked about,

0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:53.120
<v Speaker 1>like let him come in off the bench and come

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:57.040
<v Speaker 1>in gunning and being aggressive offensively, rather than putting him

0:57:57.040 --> 0:57:58.880
<v Speaker 1>alongside a bunch of guys who are going to shoot

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:00.800
<v Speaker 1>every time they touch the ball, where he kind of

0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:03.080
<v Speaker 1>struggles figuring out where he's gonna fit, you get you

0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.720
<v Speaker 1>get a diminishing return on the t h T thing.

0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 1>In that regard. I like t she staggered with Russ.

0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:11.160
<v Speaker 1>There will be some overlap. But and then the and

0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:14.000
<v Speaker 1>then the last one was play our shooters. So essentially

0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 1>we have we have three dead eye shooters and Wayne

0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Ellington Carmelo Anthony in the league month. In my opinion,

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>with exception of the starters, we should have, we should

0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:25.840
<v Speaker 1>try to have two of those guys on the court

0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:28.560
<v Speaker 1>as much as possible, but we should never we should

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.560
<v Speaker 1>never have fewer than one of those guys on the

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:36.080
<v Speaker 1>court because of you know, just foundationally, it's easier to

0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:39.439
<v Speaker 1>play in in poor spacing if it's like a four

0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 1>on four construct, then if it's a five on five constructs.

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:43.680
<v Speaker 1>But even if the rest of the lineup doesn't have

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 1>great spacing, if that's Wayne Ellington in the corner and

0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the guys glued to him, then even your jan Kie

0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 1>spacing will work better in a four in that four

0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>on four construct off of Ellington, if that makes sense.

0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:56.960
<v Speaker 1>So not to mention, you can use him as a

0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:58.919
<v Speaker 1>screener and do all those kinds of things. But shout

0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:00.760
<v Speaker 1>out to Anthony. I thought it was an interesting concept.

0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Just again, three basic rules play shooter, staggered t and

0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Russ never play Russ with the traditional center and a

0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>D obviously the two big one I should say. But

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:12.479
<v Speaker 1>it was an interesting concept because those those are really

0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:17.160
<v Speaker 1>really basic basketball rules that you think that that every

0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, coach should be able to kind of put together.

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:21.280
<v Speaker 1>But for whatever reason, it's been something that that was

0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 1>a slow development for Frank this year. Yeah, and Frank

0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:28.160
<v Speaker 1>definitely leads into defense. I think Lebron even talked about

0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:30.320
<v Speaker 1>that as well when I think he was asked about

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the starting lineup and said, our coach is gonna lean

0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 1>heavily onto the defensive end. But thought, you know, just

0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 1>you going through those rules we went. We went with

0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of those tonight. Actually, like I saw a

0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:42.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of that, um tonight. Russ was the first sub

0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I believe, and it was Milink Monk who came in. Uh,

0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and you had the shooter in there, um and Uh.

0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.360
<v Speaker 1>I think Russ and Lebron were staggered tonight. I don't

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 1>think there was any point where one of them wasn't

0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:55.120
<v Speaker 1>on the floor. So it was never it was never

0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:58.000
<v Speaker 1>THHD by himself, or it was never a d without

0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:00.200
<v Speaker 1>one of those two. Um. So I thought, like, you know,

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the staggering is getting better. So why Howard was the

1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:04.480
<v Speaker 1>backup center? And I thought he played well and he

1:00:04.600 --> 1:00:06.520
<v Speaker 1>was on the floor to me when it was Russ

1:00:06.640 --> 1:00:09.640
<v Speaker 1>with no other big So it wasn't Rusted and played

1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:11.800
<v Speaker 1>next to E. D and Dwight at all tonight. I don't,

1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:13.840
<v Speaker 1>at least from my memory, I don't think they played

1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:15.720
<v Speaker 1>that played that way. So the stuff that's going up,

1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:18.200
<v Speaker 1>but those rules, those rules make sense. Um, I think

1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.240
<v Speaker 1>we're getting closer and closer to that, and again I

1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>think a reason is like the perfect middle ground for that.

1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess where he can space the floor and be

1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 1>the defender that Vogel wants. Hopefully we're getting closer to that.

1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:31.560
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, those are those are funny. Those those are

1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:34.840
<v Speaker 1>pretty true, true rules I guess to follow by all right, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for coming hang out on Tuesday.

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1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:47.160
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<v Speaker 1>on the road at Memphis, correct, but I remember correctly. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night, Friday night, Okay, see game I. You have

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<v Speaker 1>a Christmas party, so I will be leaving you to

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<v Speaker 1>ride solo for that one if you're available. Um, but

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<v Speaker 1>we will be back on Thursday. We will talk more

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<v Speaker 1>about playing for Friday later. But again, we appreciate your

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<v Speaker 1>support and we'll see you guys in a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks everyone,