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Speaker 1: M all right, Welcome to the State of the Lakers

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Speaker 1: on DASS Radio. Thank you guys so much for coming

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Speaker 1: to hang out. Out of Tuesday, we finally have, uh,

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Speaker 1: not just the convincing Laker win, but a convincing Laker

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Speaker 1: win against a good team. The Celtics are coming off

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Speaker 1: a stretch where they just won three out of four games.

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Speaker 1: They were competitive on the road in Utah, they beat

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Speaker 1: the living crap out of the Blazers the other night. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is a this is a decent basketball team that

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Speaker 1: came to town, and we just looked way better than them.

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Speaker 1: Um why because we are way better than them? And

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Speaker 1: obviously we've been off to a very frustrating start to

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Speaker 1: the season. Um. I thought Lebron set the tone from

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Speaker 1: the start tonight, which is something I've been begging for

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Speaker 1: him to do all season, and I thought everyone else followed.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of one of the big formulas for

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Speaker 1: succes tonight. There's a lot of other details we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into, but before we get too far into it, Roge,

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Speaker 1: how are you, my guy? Are you feeling as good

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Speaker 1: as I am right now? Man? That has to be

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Speaker 1: game of the year, win of the year. That was fun.

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Speaker 1: It was it was. It was great to finally get

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Speaker 1: a fun game, right, and we had three days off

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Speaker 1: in between. It was nice for us as well to

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Speaker 1: get a break from Lakers basketball. The Lakers looked like

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Speaker 1: they needed it. Um. Lebron especially came out with more

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Speaker 1: energy than I've seen from him, and he just set

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Speaker 1: the tone. Like you said, in this game was just

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Speaker 1: it felt it wasn't wire to wire. But the Celtics

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Speaker 1: never to me, felt like they were gonna win tonight,

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Speaker 1: which which is really just a stark contrast from what

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Speaker 1: we've been seeing from all these games, and that second

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Speaker 1: half they took over. I don't think the final score

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Speaker 1: really indicates, um, how big a game this was for them.

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Speaker 1: Just a fun game, man. Finally Laker fans and all

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Speaker 1: of us kind of get a good game to enjoy,

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Speaker 1: Like it was. It was nice to have one of

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Speaker 1: these for a change. Yeah, you know, Lebron really set

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Speaker 1: the tone from the beginning of this game, and it

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Speaker 1: reminded me of a Die dnamic that used to happen

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Speaker 1: back with the Lakers year they won the title, where

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Speaker 1: you would see Anthony Davis kind of sleepwalk his way

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Speaker 1: through the beginning of a game, but Lebron would kind

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Speaker 1: of carry him over that stretch. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things that told me a lot about who Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: is as a competitor, as he would inevitably in the

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Speaker 1: second half of those games really turn it up, come

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Speaker 1: out like gangbusters, and put his physical imprint on both

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Speaker 1: ends of the floor. And when he did, the team

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Speaker 1: was borderline unbeatable, especially with Lebron already in a rhythm

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Speaker 1: like he was at the beginning of the game. And

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Speaker 1: that's one of the big reasons why I've been so

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Speaker 1: critical of Lebron this season. I've probably been more critical

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Speaker 1: of him than any other Lakers player, and more so

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Speaker 1: than most Laker fans have been. But it's just because

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Speaker 1: I hold him to such a high standard and I

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Speaker 1: know what he's capable of. And you know, yes, he

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Speaker 1: took a lot of jump shots early in the game,

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Speaker 1: but they were they were high quality jump shots, they

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Speaker 1: were in rhythm. The ones that were contested were closer

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Speaker 1: these weren't stepped back threes from These were interior jump

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Speaker 1: propensity in his career to be a high percentage jump shooter.

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Speaker 1: There's lots of good process from him. And then he

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Speaker 1: do this season, um, And it was inevitable to me

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Speaker 1: that eventually Anthony Davis and Russ would find a time

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Speaker 1: Russ was just unbelievable at the end of that third quarter,

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Speaker 1: just putting his head down and getting to the rim again,

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Speaker 1: something we've talked about a lot. Russ kind of slowly

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Speaker 1: breaking through that that wall, constantly putting physical pressure at

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Speaker 1: and from there it's about kicking out the shooters. And

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Speaker 1: I have to look at the numbers because but from

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Speaker 1: the eye test the scenes that we didn't shoot amazingly

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Speaker 1: But we were living in the paint it was. It

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Speaker 1: was much more. It was much closer to our identity. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Frank Vogel's lineups made a lot more sensible. Get more

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Speaker 1: into that later, but they made a lot more basketball

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Speaker 1: sense with what this team is good at. But at

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Speaker 1: the beginning, it was all about Lebron doing what I

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Speaker 1: and set the tone and be a leader. You know

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Speaker 1: And that's where this team is going to be capable

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Speaker 1: of beating quality teams, which is the next step and

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Speaker 1: then you know, progressing this season. But did you did

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Speaker 1: you see what I was talking about there? Just Lebron

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Speaker 1: of the guys following. Yeah, he not only set the

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Speaker 1: the starting lineup, you know, it's still kind of frustrating

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Speaker 1: at times. When we got the news that you know,

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Speaker 1: but the floor balance is better. And with Lebron and

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Speaker 1: great catalyst for a great defense right when you have

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Speaker 1: both of them engaged. And I thought you saw that

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Speaker 1: all night. Tatum had sixteen points. I think right away

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Speaker 1: Um in the first quarter with like five minutes gone

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Speaker 1: didn't overreact to that. But Lebron Andy were engaged. Lebron

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Speaker 1: taking out pretting out orders of where to switch and

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Speaker 1: telling people where to go. We need that every single night,

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Speaker 1: like you talked about. And this is game twelve of

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Speaker 1: the Big three. I believe I have my numbers right.

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Speaker 1: I think there were six and five before tonight with Lebron,

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Speaker 1: and tonight I put them. I believe the seven and five.

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Speaker 1: And this is kind of the way that the ceiling

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Speaker 1: like Russ has pushed his weight, Like I'm looking at Russ.

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Speaker 1: The lacks. The last six games, all Um pretty much

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Speaker 1: his spots because Lebron was able to take over in

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Speaker 1: To me, it's just not enough. But pulling this back

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Speaker 1: and I thought, that's what the ceiling of this team is,

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Speaker 1: it's just Russ at Russ as like a volcano earthquake

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Speaker 1: stop him while Lebron and a D are going. And

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Speaker 1: I thought that's what we saw tonight. This was the

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Speaker 1: best game the Big three I've played on both ends

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Speaker 1: you know, he did. He did the best that he could,

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Speaker 1: how you have to win. The three stars all played well,

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Speaker 1: and when they do, I feel like we're gonna beat

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Speaker 1: teams like this. Yeah. One of the things I've been

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Speaker 1: see Frank Vogel kind of cater his philosophy, both with

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Speaker 1: personal basketball philosophies rather than what his personnel is good at,

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Speaker 1: what the team's you know, basketball character is made of.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we've seen a lot over the course

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Speaker 1: didn't really understand what they were good at. Both Lebron

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Speaker 1: that has helped make both of them versatile in their careers,

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Speaker 1: it's not been their bread and butter. Their bread and

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Speaker 1: And then with Frank, it's you know, I was blown

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Speaker 1: and not understanding that if you run crappy offense all

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Speaker 1: the time and you're constantly missing contested lake clock jump shots,

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Speaker 1: that your defense has never said that, your guys are

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Speaker 1: look good anyway. It was. It was a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of of of of guys up and down the organization

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Speaker 1: to do for this team to succeed. Frank from the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the game, you know, the everything made way

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Speaker 1: more sense, Like you don't need to play Lebron at center.

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Speaker 1: That can be a matchup thing, but you have Dwight Howard.

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Speaker 1: Dwight Howard's a really good backup center. He's the perfect

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Speaker 1: That makes way more sense than starting huge with a

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Speaker 1: D and Dwight and Russ and then going super tiny

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Speaker 1: with Lebron at center and at the start of the

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Speaker 1: second quarter. None of that ever made any sense. And

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Speaker 1: so this was a way more functional rotation. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't go with Avery Bradley, I'd go with more

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Speaker 1: shooting in the starting lineup. But those are nitpicky things,

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Speaker 1: the things that we can go at the guys for tonight.

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Speaker 1: We're nitpicky things. All these things in the previous weeks

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Speaker 1: that we've been pointing out, these have been glaring, obvious

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Speaker 1: basketball malpractice that had to be pointed out. These weren't

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Speaker 1: money Monday morning quarterbacking from our couches when we have

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Speaker 1: no idea what we're talking about. This was every basketball

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Speaker 1: mind in the world was looking at this, like, what

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Speaker 1: in the world were you guys doing? Your two best

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Speaker 1: players are leaning into the weakest part of their offensive

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Speaker 1: skill and the coaches playing personnel that actively sabotages the team.

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Speaker 1: We were we were all in the right to be

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Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air to see that tonight go

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Speaker 1: the opposite direction, everyone kind of leaning into their strengths.

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Speaker 1: I tweeted out at the end of the first quarter,

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's that's just exciting. The love the

430
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 1: way you put it with THHD because you always say

431
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 1: he has one All Star play a game, right, pretty

432
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 1: much one All Star Player game. I thought he had

433
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 1: like three or four tonight, Um, he had one play

434
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 1: where I think Dennis Shrewder tried to attack him, and

435
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 1: like Dennis did like a move, got a little bit

436
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: of space and t Hd just blocked it straight up

437
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: like blocks Dennis Shrewder jumper. And then on Tatum as well,

438
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 1: there were a few players where Tatum came around the screen,

439
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 1: he gave him back pressure, gave enough time. I think

440
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: it was Dwight Howard was the big to get back

441
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 1: to his man. He got back in front and may

442
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: Tatum kick it out Like those are plays and Tatum

443
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 1: is a superstar Paul George supers are you never gonna

444
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: stop them? But I thought his defense, just isolation defense

445
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: was really good. I thought we overhelped at times as well,

446
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 1: where um where Thd kind of had him in control

447
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 1: and Ellington or someone else would help one pass away.

448
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: And You're right, these are all gonna be growing pains

449
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: that you have to live with to get the result

450
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 1: you want in about four or five months, right, Like

451
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: that's where you're looking for. Can you produced at the

452
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 1: playoff level? And his offense doesn't have to be superstar level, right,

453
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be star double shot crane ability.

454
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: It just has to be enough because I think his

455
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 1: defense is already to the point now where he can

456
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: you can throw him on a good wing for like

457
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,360
Speaker 1: minutes a game and not get killed. And I thought

458
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: that was huge. I thought being able to throw him

459
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: out there. I'm not sure if he'll stay in the

460
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 1: starting lineup when we're all healthy, but I think he

461
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: needs to play. And you saw at the end of

462
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 1: the game there people were killing him. You talked about

463
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: that three. I thought that was him just being happy

464
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: to have the ball in his hands, just to happy

465
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: to be the guy at the top of the key

466
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 1: that has it, that can play around it. But I

467
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: thought his cutting was so much better tonight. Did you

468
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: see that as well? Like I thought everyone cut better

469
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: tonight cutting, the cutting and interior passing was amazing. But

470
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 1: PhD was also good. Yeah, And I thought he really

471
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 1: picked his spots and he had again those all star

472
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: type of plays where he cut catches it gather like

473
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: double reverse layup on the other side and it floats

474
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: nicely into the basket. Like those are the star type

475
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: of players that I see, Like he has these. It's

476
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: it's weird because you'll have the crazy super finishes on

477
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: the wrong side with the right hand. He haste to

478
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: use his left hand obviously, so finishes with the right hand.

479
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: But he'll miss like the easy lay up where he

480
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: drives right by someone. So other stuff he has to

481
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: work on. But I think there's stuff there to work on.

482
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: And the talk for the last few days obviously has

483
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: been the you know, the Indiana Pacers are kind of

484
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: open and trading Miles Turner and Sabonis, and I think

485
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 1: the best trades are the one where both teams hate it,

486
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 1: because I've seen the Indian Ana Pacers feel just the

487
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: Pacer fans feel disrespected by it. But like, this is

488
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: like the type of talent I think that he has

489
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: and we have a twenty one year old You talked

490
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: about it. These are young basketball plays like he hasn't

491
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: He hasn't been in situations a million times to know

492
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 1: what to do on every single read. You're right, he's

493
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: driving in when they're closing out shore. That's just stuff

494
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 1: to me you have to live with because I think

495
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: you're right. His defense is too good, like it's they

496
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: needed on this team. And I thought you saw some

497
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: of those runs would team would go on these defensive runs,

498
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: And I thought we kind of saw some of that

499
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: tonight where it was like th hd Bron and a

500
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: D and even Russ engaged. It's just a bunch of length,

501
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of athleticism on the floor. So I thought

502
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: it was a nice game. I thought tonight was his

503
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: best game, even if it wasn't his best offensive game.

504
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: I thought this was the best game he had in

505
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: terms of like impacting the game in terms of winter loss. Yeah,

506
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: it was. It was a really good game from him,

507
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: which is ironic after you know, kind of the way

508
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: you started the game offensively. It's interesting with young players

509
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: because you know, there's two different kinds of young player

510
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: development patterns, and they tend to be different for guards

511
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: than they are for big So like for Biggs, for instance,

512
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: it's usually about them adding stuff, right, like, okay, deandreton

513
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: comes back shooting threes, or you know, the Dwight Howard

514
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: comes back taking more left handed hooks off the glass,

515
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: like they add things to their bag. But with guards

516
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: in particular, it's more about cutting out the bad. Almost

517
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: every guard when they come into the league has a

518
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: really good handle and you know, reasonably good jump shot,

519
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: and those things will improve over the years and years

520
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: in the league, and but for the most part, their

521
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: improvement is kind of like trimming the fat. It's trimming

522
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: poor shot selection, it's trimming poor decision and making. It's

523
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: trimming turnovers, it's it's trimming defensive lapses, it's taking the

524
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the difference, you know, Like we

525
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: look at th h t s offensive season. We have

526
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: these three games at the beginning where he was amazing,

527
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: right and he averaged twenty something, and then he's been

528
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: horrible since for the most part offensively. But the truth

529
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: is is like over the course of a season for

530
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: a young player, it's kind of what it looks like,

531
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: usually not all stacked up at a row, but usually

532
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: it's like, dang, he had twenty five to night, and

533
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: then he had four the next night, and then you know,

534
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: then he had seventeen, and then he had six, and

535
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: then he had twenty seven. You know, it's like that's

536
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of a young player experience. And then what happens

537
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: is with those guards, as they get better and they

538
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: learn how to replicate their success into into you know,

539
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: trim the things that led to their failure, it becomes

540
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: more replicable and now you're seeing you know, three and

541
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: then a seven point night. You know, like it just

542
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: happens more frequently as they trimmed the fat out, and

543
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: so that's it's kind of cool. As we're watching th

544
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: HT to develop, it's gonna be a lot more of

545
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: just trimming out the bad stuff, you know, which will

546
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: be interesting to watch. He is one of you know,

547
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: this is he's one of the few defenders on our

548
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: team that actively makes offensive players feel uncomfortable. This is

549
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: a concept that I talked about a lot on this

550
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: show because there's such a huge This is a this

551
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: is a shortcoming of analytics. For instance, you know, if

552
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: I'm you know, if RAGE is guarding me and I

553
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: shoot a three and he sticks his hand up as

554
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm shooting, that's going to register as a contested shot.

555
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: But if th HD is guarding me, no offense to you, Rage,

556
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: You've got great physical tools. I'm just saying t HD

557
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: is at another level. But if th HD is guarding

558
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: me and he's really pressed up on me and he's

559
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: disrupting my handle as I'm going and I elevate into

560
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: the shot and he's like up in me, like with

561
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: his his hand like up in between my hands in

562
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: the face, that that is actually making me feel uncomfortable

563
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: as a shooter. That is a huge that is going

564
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: to also register as a contested shot. But the reality

565
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: is is that th ht contest has a much bigger

566
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: chance of making me miss than the than than the

567
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: RAJ contest, you know what I mean. And you know

568
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: that that's kind of like it's kind of like with

569
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: It's It's kind of like with Jayson Tatum, you know tonight,

570
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, with some of the couple of the threes

571
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: he made there at the beginning of the game were

572
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: they were contested, but was he comfortable because he certainly

573
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: looked comfortable, you know what I mean. And then over

574
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: the course of the game, we did a better job

575
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: of kind of tightening that up and he had to

576
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: get more of his stuff at the RAM after multiple

577
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: counter moves, and we took away some of his easier shots.

578
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: But the point is is like there's just a huge

579
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: difference between that Wayne Ellington. This season, you know, like

580
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: most of the Lakers has contested some shots. Tonight, I

581
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: saw Wayne Ellington actively making dudes uncomfortable, really kicking that

582
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: to another gear to where it's not I'm sticking a

583
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: hand up on the shot. It's no, I'm selling out

584
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: to make this dude feel uncomfortable. On the contest. It's

585
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: something we've seen from Austin Reeves all season long, you know,

586
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: in that son's games, like second game of the season

587
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. Literally you saw, you know, Laker defender after

588
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: Laker defender after Laker defender kind of throw up, you know,

589
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: feeble little contests on Chris Paul. And then you saw

590
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves get in there and really really sell out

591
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: to try to make him feeluncomfortable, and he started missing.

592
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, that's the difference. That's the

593
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: next level, and that that that's that kind of defensive momentum.

594
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: I'd like to see this team build. There are guys

595
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: like th HT that just what their physical tools can

596
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: do whenever they want. But you're gonna see some more

597
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: of that become part of our defensive culture. But again,

598
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: I like th HD because if you have him in

599
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: any lineup, he's an actually disruptive defender. I got a

600
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: guy who you know, isolating him as kind of a

601
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: fool's errand there are just much better options, and so

602
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: that kind of is exciting. I want to eventually, I

603
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: want to hear your response, but I want to eventually

604
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: talk more about the trade ideas. That center around him,

605
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: because a lot of that timeline that I'm discussing, a

606
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: lot of that trimming of the fat directly relates to

607
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: what his trade potential looks like. Because if he starts

608
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: to trim the fat here in the next month a

609
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: little bit and start to look like a functional member

610
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: of our closing lineup, I don't think he can trade

611
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: him because of his inevitable ceiling down the line. But

612
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: you know there if there's that fine line there where

613
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: you have to weigh those two concepts against each other.

614
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: The urgency of the window with th HDS development, Yeah,

615
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: for sure. And he's learning how to do winning habits right,

616
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: and championship habits and that stuff you don't get on

617
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: a bad team. He could easily be We always talked

618
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: about it. He could be on another team, get all

619
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: the on ball reps, get all the pick and roll reps,

620
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, average the eighteen five with you know, all

621
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: the turnovers, but you know it solid, flashy. But he's

622
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: on a team with better ball handlers than he is.

623
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: He's on team where he's not the first, second, or

624
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: even third option. He has to learn how to play

625
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: off ball. And I think that that works in his

626
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: favor to become a winning player in that situation, it's

627
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna take time. Players like that, players like THHD have

628
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: had the ball in their hands their whole career, uh

629
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: their whole basketball career before they got to the league.

630
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: That's just who he is, and that's the reason to

631
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: me why he is more comfortable taking threes off the

632
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: dribble right. And you'll see him even when he's open,

633
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: he'll like to dribble in, or he's more comfortable coming

634
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: off a screen and pulling up or on a pull

635
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: up jumper. His form looks even better, it looks more

636
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: smooth that way. But he's trying to work into his

637
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: spot up shooting. I still think he has to be

638
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: somewhat of a respectable spot up shooter um to play

639
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: when it when it really matters. But the defense already

640
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: made as far ahead as it is, I think it's

641
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: really huge and it just shows his development. And again,

642
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: the offense doesn't have to be great, but I thought,

643
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: tonw you saw semblances of what it can look like.

644
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: You saw some other good process stuff. You saw him

645
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: screening for Lebron and then slipping, and then you saw

646
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: TC be able to attack like four on five when

647
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: Boston with trap and it just plays into his strains, right,

648
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: he gets to go downhill. He got to get some

649
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: finishes over al Horford, I thought tonight, which were really smooth.

650
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: He has a finishing game there, and it's just stuff

651
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: that it's all gonna be growing pains, like he could

652
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: easily the next few games and I'll play well again,

653
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: not finished at the like, it's just it's gonna be

654
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: up and down and there's and he's not the player

655
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: that he was when he started. He's not a twenty

656
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 1: point game player. He's not a player that gonna hit

657
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: a shot for the last few games. Somewhere in between,

658
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: we see him getting better. I thought. I thought tonight

659
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: he was the most comfortable I've seen him. Uh, And

660
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: he's just gonna continue to get reps next to Russ,

661
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: next to Lebron. But I saw a good process stuff

662
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: and I'd like to see I'd like to see it more.

663
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him with some shooting around him, right,

664
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I think it's just tough. When he there was some

665
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: place tonight where it was like Russ drives and then

666
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: he kicks it out to th HD THHD drives and

667
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: kicks it out to Avery Bradley and then Avery Bradley

668
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: like there's just it's just like it's you know, it's

669
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: just going nowhere. And I just like a little bit

670
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: of spacing line. You talked about Ellington's defense, um, and

671
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I've seen that to me all year, Like he's never

672
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: going to be great, but I think he's solid enough,

673
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: Like I don't think he's gonna kill you, Like I

674
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: feel like he's in the right place. He's not you know,

675
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be ever quick enough to stay with

676
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: guards and stuff like that, but I think he's just

677
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: a solid guy. Um that I'd like to for him

678
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: to get more minutes, but we'll see. But yeah, I

679
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: thought t was again good Tonight. Defense was fantastic. This

680
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: help defense is getting better. He had some steals in

681
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: transition where like someone would try to cross left or

682
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: right and he just pick it right away one on one.

683
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: I think he had like two steals um in transition

684
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: like that. And you're right, his length is his length

685
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: is a problem. Is it's something that is bothering people.

686
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: It bothered Paul George. It definitely bothered Jayson Tatum. Those

687
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: twos are still gonna get buckets. They're superstars. But he

688
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: did his job and that's that's all you can ask.

689
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: And you can see that Vogo really likes him. It's

690
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: why he continues to start even when his offense is

691
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: is ugly. And I think he's gonna stay in the

692
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: starting lineup at least until a reason gets back here. Yeah,

693
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: I agree, I would expect him too as well. I would.

694
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think it's completely out of the realm of

695
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: possibility that he would continue to start. Dirt becomes back term,

696
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: but so so let's let's because this was something that

697
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: popped across the timeline. I think I think it was

698
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: today obviously with the news that the Pacers were going

699
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: to be potentially entering into a rebuild phase that they

700
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: probably should have entered in a few years ago. But

701
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: the the let's obviously th hd like we just got.

702
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: If he can trim the fat um and kind of

703
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: find a functional offensive role on the team, he kind

704
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: of fills the role of a forward because he's so strong,

705
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: his center of gravity is so low you can't really

706
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: push him off of his spot in physical size mismatches,

707
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: and he's got so much length that he can really,

708
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: really bother you at the when you're trying to shoot

709
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: over the top of him. So let's obviously accepting the

710
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: fact that if he kind of develops into what the

711
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: Lakers need him to be, he is the best option

712
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: while also having the long term ceiling, and they should

713
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: keep him. But let's pretend we're sitting in January February

714
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: and the THHD thing just isn't panning out still, you know,

715
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: making mistakes off ball in the defense, complete liability, jump shooting, um,

716
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, struggling with decision making, blah blah blah. What

717
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: did you think about the concept of flipping th h

718
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: T and Kendrick Nunn for for Miles Turner demonus opponents. Yeah,

719
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's tough. Obviously I don't watch the Pacers enough,

720
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: but I mean I followed. I mean, Kyln Cooper is

721
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: a person who goes with him, and she thinks that

722
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: trade is kind of crazy, and it would to me like,

723
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: you're getting an all Star back if you get the bonus, right,

724
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: I think the bonus has made an All Star team.

725
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Miles Turner is a really good player. I'd worry about

726
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: the fit. I mean, it's a tough question to me,

727
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: Like it's the same kind of conversation we had. Remember

728
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: after the next game, I think we talked about Jeremy Grant,

729
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: right because Jeremy Grant, I think rumors came up. And

730
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: it's a similar kind of situation to that. If the

731
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: team is rolling and you think that's the you know,

732
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: that's the way to go, then then maybe you know,

733
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: you go ahead and make that move. We'll see. I

734
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: think Taylor would have to show more or to me

735
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: for that to be the trade. I think there would

736
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: be better just in my opinion, I think there's better

737
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: offers out there for the Pacers to go and get.

738
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: And then with Miles Turner, I would be worried a

739
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: little bit about the fit. I feel like trading for

740
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: another You know, Molestern is a good shooter. He's shooting

741
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: I think thirty nine percent from three, like he's a

742
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: legit three point shooter. But I feel like that kind

743
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: of you know, handicaps you to kind of play big,

744
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: right because you're gonna start a d and Miles it

745
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: would kind of make a d uh play the five

746
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: even less. I guess it would move him to the

747
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: power forward and to me that the ceiling of this

748
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: team is still brawn and a D at the four

749
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: or five, Like, I think that's your main ceiling and

750
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: you build around that. But Turner is an amazing player,

751
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: He's him, and a D would be incredible as a

752
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: defensive president. It's a it's a tough question to me

753
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: because Taylor is really your only trade piece, right Like,

754
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: once you move that, that's pretty much like you don't

755
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: have anything behind that. Um if you move him, and

756
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: we'll see what Kendrick Nunn, who hasn't played a minute tonight.

757
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: But I feel like that it's such a tough thing

758
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: for me to say yes right now, we're like two

759
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: games over five hundred. Was see how the season goes.

760
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: But it's something definitely they're gonna have to look at though.

761
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: But I just I don't have a decision right now,

762
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: Like that's a really tough thing to to go through

763
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: and just trade tailing because I think there is enough there.

764
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: It's not the ideal fit for him. He's obviously a

765
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: guy who needs facing and a guy probably where you

766
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: know his ceiling as a as if everything was in

767
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 1: an ideal world, he's the ball handler on your team

768
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: who's making the decisions. That's just not what it is

769
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: right now, but I think there's something to build build

770
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: around that that can be super useful for a championship

771
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: team to have to have a guy with young legs,

772
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: a guy with this type of potential I think is

773
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: good to have on the team. But I understand the

774
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: other side too. What what about you? What do you

775
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: what did you think of those trades? What do you

776
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: think of the the fake trades that were coming out

777
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: for a turner in sabonus. So again, the idea of

778
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: whether or not we should trade THHD is a separate

779
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: topic of from who you trade him for. Okay, So

780
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: like whether we should trade th HD, one has to

781
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: do with is the team trending in the direction that

782
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: you think they have a legitimate chance to win the championship?

783
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: And is th HT not a big part of that?

784
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: Because it's because if the team is trending towards an obvious,

785
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: like legitimate run at the title, and th HD is

786
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: a big part of that because he's defending extremely well

787
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: and playing a role in our offense, then hell no,

788
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: you don't trade them, you know, because whatever you're getting back,

789
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: you have to factor in what you're losing with th HT.

790
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: But if we are trending towards a clear run to

791
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: the title, and th HT is struggling. That's when you

792
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: have to make the philosophical decision, which is, don't have

793
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: one ft straddling either end of the line, because that's

794
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: when you end up unsatisfied now and unsatisfied later. So

795
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: once we've accepted that, let's for the sake of accepting,

796
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: you know, for the sake of argument, let's say we

797
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: have decided to trade th HT. What what you know,

798
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: archetype of players should we be looking for? Now you

799
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: have we've discussed three completely different kinds. Right, we have

800
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: jare Me Grant, the athletic, slashing wing. Then we have

801
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: Miles Turner, who's more of a like kind of the

802
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: modern form of a stretch rim protecting center who can

803
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: shoot the three ball and as a great shot blocker.

804
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: And then you have Demonic Sabonis, who's, you know, a

805
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: low post scorer who has some capability to shoot from

806
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: the perimeter, although this season he has a shot well

807
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: from the perimeter. Um. But you know, one of the

808
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: things with sa Bonus that I think is interesting is

809
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: he kind of reminds me a little bit of Kevin

810
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: Love in the sense that Kevin Love used to be

811
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: a dominant post player as long as he had a

812
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: clear physical advantage, you know, like if you could get

813
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: him against skinny forwards, he would kill them. If you

814
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: could get him on switches against guards, he would kill them.

815
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: That was one of the things the Calves used to

816
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: always do when they play the Raptors is really spam,

817
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, pick and roll with uh with Lebron and

818
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: Kevin Loved to try to get switches and then they

819
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: would go to Kevin Love in the pos. But then

820
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: whenever Kevin Love would face like a really big, strong,

821
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: athletic power forward, which would inevitably would be would would

822
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: be who the Calves would face in late playoff rounds,

823
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: think like a Draymond Green or you know any of

824
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: the Celtics forwards, or like a you know, a Daddy

825
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: s Young or something like that. He would really struggle

826
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: because he wouldn't have the physical tools necessary to score.

827
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: And I see that a lot with Sabonus when I

828
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: watch him, you know, like when he when he has mismatches,

829
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: he's the dominant post score. But I've seen him get

830
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: physically mauled defensively by bigger stronger forwards that aren't easy

831
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: to score on in the post. And so to me,

832
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: Sabonis is like a massive cross off, like clear nonfit. Uh,

833
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: not anywhere near a good enough floor space or to

834
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: make any sense, not anywhere near to Dwight's probably a

835
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: better defender than him right now. Like to me, the

836
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: Sabonis is like, like, don't even bring that up. To me,

837
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: that's a terrible, terrible, terrible basketball decision. Miles Turner and

838
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: Jeremy Grant, now we're talking philosophy here, because Miles Turner,

839
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: we got a rim space, you know, a guy who

840
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: can protect the rim, so basically the dream for Frank Vogel,

841
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: but a guy who can space the floor. Right now,

842
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: this is where it becomes like philosophically, what direction do

843
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 1: we want the team to be going? And to me,

844
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: this is a team that already has the two centers

845
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: they need to play the style of basketball they need

846
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: to play, which is lots and lots of shooting, lots

847
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: and lots of foot speed and stagger a d and Dwight.

848
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: That to me makes the most sense for what they

849
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: can do on both ends of the floor. So adding

850
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: Miles Turner into that makes really convolutes it, because now

851
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: you're either kicking Dwight out of the rotation, who's a

852
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: solid backup center, or you're going back to playing huge.

853
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: And now we're getting back into the situation where it's like, Okay,

854
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: can Myles Turner run up and down the floor consistently

855
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: against teams that try to really get after us in transition?

856
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: You what I mean, that's where I am going to

857
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: constantly point us back towards forwards, guys along the lines

858
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: of Jeremy Grant. If we do decide to cash in

859
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: the th HT non contracts for a good piece, to me,

860
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: it has to be for a wing. That is our clear,

861
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: our clear shortcoming on a roster. It's the main reason

862
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: why a lot of our lineups don't make any sense,

863
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: or at least up to this point in the season.

864
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: That to me, philosophically needs to be the way we

865
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: were looking. So what I was bothered to be bothered

866
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: today when I saw the the Turner um, you know,

867
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: Sabonis trade ideas getting bounced around, because to me, it

868
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, this should be a universal no from

869
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: Laker fans. You know, this is this is this is

870
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: just I get the talent add idea of it. But

871
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: this is a clue, like, this is not a roster

872
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: need for us. You know, we are issue is that

873
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: we have too many yards and we have too many bigs.

874
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: It's the last thing we need is another big. So

875
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: I just just from a basketball philosophy standpoint, I didn't

876
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: like either of those ideas. That's where I'm at too.

877
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeremy Grant, I'm not sure if he's a

878
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: better player than you know, Turner, and but that's kind

879
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: of that would be the ideal fit for me. And

880
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, Jeremy Grant went to uh went to Detroit.

881
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: He wanted to be the guy there. I'm not sure

882
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: if he's available or not, but that'd be the kind

883
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: of ideal player to me. I was thinking about something

884
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: because when I saw these trades, I thought about Stan

885
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: stand Gundy, who actually did the game tonight, but when

886
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: the Celtics were playing the Bucks in the playoff series.

887
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: I believe it was the playoff series with Kyrie and

888
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: he was talking about the difference between Marcus Morris and

889
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: like Al Horford right as three point shooters, and I

890
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: believe Al Horford had the better three point percentage, right

891
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: but he doesn't put up the volume. So he was

892
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: talking about when he would tell his his players like

893
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: they were closing. Now closed out to Marcus Morris because

894
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: he'll actually shoot every time he's open, you know, Al

895
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: Horford kind of he's kind of he'll shoot if he's

896
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 1: like wide open, but he doesn't shoot every time he's open.

897
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how I see the Miles Turner fit.

898
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis like, Miles Turner is a good three point shoter,

899
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: but he's like he doesn't put up the volume to

900
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: be defended as a three point shooter to me, And

901
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: that's the way A d plays as well. Like I

902
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: feel like you still have the same issue of the

903
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: paint pack, but you know, Turner is a great player

904
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: if you can get him for talent. I think the

905
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: fit issues are there, but it's a talent lead like

906
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: you would add talent, it's a bonus. I I see

907
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: what you're saying with the fit, but I think he's

908
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: just a super good passer. You know, he's a really

909
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: good he has a really great feel for the game.

910
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Like again, he had one All Star appearance, but I

911
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: think he's like a really it's another just you're adding

912
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: just stacking talent on talent. The fit isn't great, but

913
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: I think him and a D would be a force Offensively.

914
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: We'll have to see defensively he's not great at switching

915
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: and all that. But I think that's still a huge

916
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: just talent upgrade if you're able to get that. But again,

917
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: I have no clue how the Pacers feel about th

918
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: HT and and and vice versa. But yeah, that's it's

919
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: a very interesting conversation and I think those won't be

920
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: the last two that we talked about this. As the

921
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: season goes on, more teams will kind of fade into

922
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: the let's rebuild and sell our parts kind of part

923
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: of the season, and you'll see that continue. Um, I

924
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: think Taylan is available, not even to be available to

925
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: be traded until December fifteenth anyway, But yeah, you'll see

926
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: more of this come up. But the bonus in China

927
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: are definitely interesting, interesting guys to look at because those

928
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: are definitely huge talent upgrades and the fit is still

929
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: a little bit questionable too. Well. The problem is when

930
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: we drop a forward, we were screwed, you know, like

931
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: we like when you found out Lebron in COVID you're

932
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: literally sitting on your couch as a Laker fan thinking like,

933
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: oh no, like we we can't even feel the basketball

934
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: team here, Like we're gonna have to do super j

935
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: K stuff like play two bigs all the time and

936
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: and just just hope that we could score enough points

937
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: and and defend well enough to to stay competitive in

938
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: these games. It's because we just don't have that kind

939
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: of player on the roster. We literally don't like I Like,

940
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: I've said a lot Carmelo Anthony is six ft eight,

941
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: but he is not a He is not a wing.

942
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: He's basically he's a lot more of like a Wayne

943
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: Ellington who happens to be tall than he is a

944
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, like a Jeremy Grant, you know what I mean. Like,

945
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: he is not a guy who he does not fulfill

946
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: the defensive responsibilities of a wing. So because he doesn't

947
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: fulfill the defensive responsibilities of a wing, he can't be

948
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: considered once th HD. For instance, even though he's only

949
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: six ft four, he can fulfill the defensive responsibilities of

950
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: a wing. That's what kind of makes him so valuable.

951
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: And that's why if he does trend towards becoming a

952
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: functional part of our offense. You have to keep him

953
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: because now he kind of fulfills that role in the

954
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: immediate future with all the All Star potential down the line,

955
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: but right now we're just thin at that position. Now,

956
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: maybe your Reason comes back and and everyone stays healthy,

957
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: and you're looking at it like, Bam, we've got three

958
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: guys who can fulfill that job of that mobile, versatile

959
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: wing with Lebron, with Trevor Reza in with with th

960
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: h T, and maybe it all works out. But the

961
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: problem is is one of those guys is twenty one,

962
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: just turned twenty one years old and is completely you know,

963
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: you know, like in the in the midst of a

964
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: massive you know, young basketball player offensive slump. The other

965
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: guy just had ankle surgery. And the third guy is

966
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: thirty seven. So that's kind of our issue right now,

967
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: right is in theory, Like and this is what Rob

968
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: would probably tell you if you were picking his brain, like, hey,

969
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, do you have any regrets about the summer,

970
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: Like he'd probably he'd probably tell you like, I thought

971
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: we'd have th h T, Lebron and Trevor Reason the win,

972
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And we've had and we've

973
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: lost Lebron for half the games. We lost th HD

974
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: for a third of the games, and we've lost a

975
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: reason for all the games. And for half of the

976
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: games that th HD has played, he's been unplayable because

977
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: of his youthful mistakes, and Lebron hasn't really been engaged.

978
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: That's that's the reality of the situation. But that's why

979
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: I keep looking towards that position group as the area

980
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: of opportunity. If you get to the point where you

981
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: gotta make trade, if you can turn the twenty one

982
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: year old, you know, versatile forward who is unplayable on

983
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: some nights, into a guy like Jeremy Grant who is,

984
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, not an All Star, but in that tier

985
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: right below All Star in terms of like really really

986
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: good NBA player, then I think you gotta do it,

987
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that that's that's that's

988
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: kind of the way that I look at this, because

989
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: it's got to be you're gonna know when the time comes.

990
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: No one's making any trades right now, but when when

991
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, late January early February comes, you're gonna you're

992
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: gonna have a set of circumstances we're gonna you know,

993
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: right now, what are we thirteen and twelve or whatever

994
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: it is that we are or when you know at

995
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: that point where you know, we might be fifteen, you know,

996
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: but and then we can all be sitting here thinking,

997
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, th HD is great, this is great. All

998
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: we need to do is just continue this momentum. But

999
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is that if we get to that

1000
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: point and in the opportunities there, don't hold your chips

1001
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: to your chest, you know what I mean. And yeah,

1002
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: t hds are only trade piece now, but let's say

1003
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: you did trade him for Jeremy Grant. Jeremy Grant is

1004
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: a trade piece. You know that at that point he

1005
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: would still have one year on his contract, could be

1006
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: a really really good wing who makes twenty million, and

1007
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: that that makes him, you know, in that same class

1008
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: of the you know, the Harrison Barnes is of the

1009
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: league that that that everyone is always wanting to offer

1010
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: trades for at the trade that, you know what I mean.

1011
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: So I again it's it's this is all high and

1012
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: this guy stuff. We're way down the line here, but

1013
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: but it's just I just wanted to bring it up

1014
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 1: because it was definitely something I was balancing around with

1015
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: with Laker fans earlier today. Oh yeah, for sure. It

1016
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: was a It was a big topic. And I don't

1017
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: know if he saw in the game today. I think

1018
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: like Tatum blew by Carmelo Anthony and stand standba gun,

1019
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: He's like, this is why you go out and get

1020
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: Trevor Reason. I was just thinking, like that's kind of

1021
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: a para to Trevor Reason, you know, thirty six year

1022
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: old Trevor Reason as the main stopper. But I'd like

1023
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: to see this team fully healthy, you know, before we

1024
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: just shuffle everything and and move everyone out or fire

1025
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: someone as as we've talked about things at lanes here,

1026
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: Like I'd like to see the team healthy. We got

1027
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: news that Kendrick Nunn is probably not gonna play until

1028
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: until yeah, until January. Trevor Reason is practicing with the

1029
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: team though, Like that's good news, so you should be

1030
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: maybe a week and maybe a week out. We'll see

1031
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: how they want to ramp him up. But I just

1032
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: like to seeing this team healthy. We just got DeAndre

1033
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: Jordan kicked out of the rotation like two or three

1034
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: games ago, you know, and like we just and tonight

1035
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: was the first time we got a d after five

1036
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: starting since the last It's not exactly I'd like to

1037
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: see it, you know, I'd like to see the team

1038
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: get a chance healthy before we break everything up. A

1039
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: D started the five for the first time or night

1040
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: since that Boston game. After that Boston game, I believe

1041
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: DJ started, or do I Howard started after every single

1042
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: one and the next few games here are all winnable.

1043
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: We played Memphis without I believe John morant Um. Then

1044
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: they play Okay, see the Orlando Magic, the Mavericks who

1045
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: haven't been playing well, the Timberwolves, who you know, that's

1046
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: a winnable game, and then he played Chicago. But the

1047
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: next five games are all winnable. This team has lost

1048
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 1: the benefit of a doubt obviously, um in that regard,

1049
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: but these games are winnable here. You can if you're

1050
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: sitting at you know, eighteen and thirteen after these games,

1051
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: like that's a good start of the season after what happened.

1052
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: So I just want to see the team at least

1053
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: get a chance because I think they are building up here.

1054
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: I think Russell Westbrook has gotten in an absolute groove,

1055
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: and I have a D eighty can join him. We're

1056
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: starting to get Lebron healthy. This is his second straight game.

1057
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: He hasn't played four straight games yet this season. Like

1058
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: there's stuff I want to see before we just you know, uh,

1059
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: throw everything everything in the trade machine. But but yeah,

1060
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: it seems like it's trending up here, and hopefully people

1061
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: get healthy Kendrick Nunn again in January. But Trevor rees

1062
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: is practicing like I'd like to see him play. Austin

1063
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: Reeves didn't even play tonight until garbage time. We'll see

1064
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: if he's in and now the rotation. But yeah, and

1065
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: hopefully this is a trend upwards because I think I

1066
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: saw a lot of good process stuff tonight. I love

1067
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: how we used Wayne Ellington in the second half next

1068
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: to Lebron Leek Munk continues to just be fantastic, Like

1069
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: there's things, there's little spots in here that have been

1070
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: growing as the team has been losing, Like the Milake

1071
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: Mudd thing I think is real. Right, would even discuss

1072
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: him tonight, but like he's been playing well even as

1073
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: the team was losing. And then you see it when

1074
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: the team starts to roll. How much how much more

1075
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: of that adds, how much his punch, his just energy,

1076
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: his juice gives to the team when he comes in

1077
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: the game. So it's just some stuff that I'm saying

1078
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: that's good process that I'd like to stick with as

1079
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: as we go forward here. Yeah, well, we're not going

1080
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: to commit to any sort of sweeping declaration that things

1081
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: have changed. We've been hurt too many times. Yeah, I

1082
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: swear that stupid that that road win over Sacramento. After

1083
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: the game against Detroit where Lebron and A d were

1084
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: both so good, I was all in on this concept, like, Hey,

1085
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: this is happening now. And then they came out and

1086
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: literally looked horrible against against the Clippers, and everyone was horrible.

1087
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: Lebron was horrible, Anthony Davis is horrible, like Frank Vogel

1088
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: was one arguably his worst game as a coach. Like

1089
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: it was just a just a really, really bad a

1090
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: night there to just kind of remind us that that's

1091
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: the kind of the kind of season that it was.

1092
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: It's always funny when I h you had mentioned that

1093
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: Russ has been really good. He has, He's been fantastic.

1094
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: It's always funny like when you listen to um, you know,

1095
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: people outside of the Laker fan base and I'm not

1096
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: judging them by any stretch of the imagination because you

1097
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: and I do the same thing. Like we're basketball fans,

1098
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: so guess what, Like we're going to comment on Demonis

1099
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: sa Bonis even though we haven't watched him as much

1100
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: as Indiana Pacers fans have, you know, And you know

1101
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a We're gonna have a pot on

1102
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: an off day one of these days where we talk

1103
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: about the rest of the league and it's not obviously

1104
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: we don't pay as close attention to them as as Lakers.

1105
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna sit here and tell people you're

1106
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: not allowed to talk about him. But it's funny because

1107
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: I listened to Russillo and Simmons today and you know

1108
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: that the Lakers came up in the very first thing

1109
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: that Bill Simmons started ranting about was Russell Westbrook and

1110
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: the fit. And I'm just like, oh, you haven't watched

1111
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: the Lakers, like because they like the Lakers have a

1112
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: ton of problems and russ just isn't one of them,

1113
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like even the spacing stuff

1114
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: hasn't really reared its ugly head. I mean tonight, he

1115
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: had a stretch there in the beginning of the first

1116
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: quarter where he missed a couple of wide open threes

1117
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: in a row, but it's like this season he's been

1118
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: shooting those pretty well. So I mean, yeah, to the

1119
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: if you just turn on the game, you might sit

1120
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: there and go like, oh, look, they're ignoring Russ and

1121
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: he's hurting the team. But it's like we've been watching

1122
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: all season and he's made enough of those to where

1123
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: it hasn't been a problem, you know what I mean.

1124
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're not gonna We're not gonna get get

1125
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: too amped up or excited about anything until until they

1126
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: really ripped something a good long streak off. I mean

1127
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: to give you an idea. One of my big philosophies

1128
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: coming into the season, if you remember, was the idea

1129
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: that when Lebron in a D play, the Lakers went

1130
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: about seventy eight percent of their games. That was the

1131
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: case for the first two seasons of the Lebron in

1132
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: a D era, and tonight was just the twelve game

1133
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: the season step both Lebron and a D have played,

1134
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: and they went seven and five. Are they went seven

1135
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: and five in those twelve games, So what that means

1136
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: is the Lakers would have to win ten more in

1137
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: a row right now, uh, in order to get to

1138
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: that you know, seventy eight percent win percentage that they

1139
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: had in the previous seasons, which by the way, they're

1140
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: very capable of. I mean, their schedule is so tough

1141
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: the rest of the season that it's far more likely

1142
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: that if they do pull that off, it's more of

1143
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: like we went, you know, five and four over game

1144
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: stretch rather than actually ripping off a win street, because

1145
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: if the Lakers were going to do that, it would

1146
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: have been at the beginning of the season when they

1147
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: had the easy cupcake part of their schedule. But you know,

1148
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: the Lakers dug themselves a little bit of a hole

1149
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: because they went five hundred against their cupcake schedule and

1150
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: now they're and now they're heading into the Like you said,

1151
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: there's some winnable games here on the horizon, but they're

1152
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: they're heading into a pretty tough end of their end

1153
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: of their schedule. But the truth is is the Lakers

1154
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: can go on a run and they can kind of

1155
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: re establish that same formula that that carried them in

1156
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: previous years. It's all possible. Um, But you know, like

1157
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: we said, we're not gonna sit there and and and

1158
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: pretend like we know for sure it's going to happen,

1159
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: because this team has just proven to us too many

1160
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: times that that's not really what they're made of, at

1161
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: least to this point. That obviously can change. Did you

1162
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: have anything else you wanted to touch on tonight? Yeah,

1163
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: just last last few things. Russ's numbers, the lass like

1164
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: his games. I'm just looking at maybe we can equival

1165
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: about the numbers and how much they matter and how

1166
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: much you know they're impacted winning. But twenty nine, ten

1167
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: and eleven, twenty five, six and nine, five and six. Um,

1168
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: he had the one stinker against the Clippers, rose twenty

1169
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: ten points. But again tonight eleven and three. Like he's

1170
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: been there and it's not that he's not a problem

1171
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. Like there's things you have to do to

1172
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: act us to Russ. I've been down that since the

1173
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. Decision to me was about fitting

1174
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: Russ around a title core, and we just haven't had

1175
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: Lebron play enough. UM eight has been a d has

1176
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: played well. The numbers, the numbers have been really good.

1177
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: I still feel like there's games where he blacking and

1178
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: waynes his effort. But I think Russ is a weapon

1179
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: that you have to deploy in a correct way, and

1180
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of seeing that process start to work.

1181
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: I think Vogel starting to figure out. I think the

1182
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: A D at the five stuff is extremely key for us,

1183
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: even when it's nonshooters. The spacing of the floor just

1184
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: make more sense for him, and I think we're starting

1185
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: to see that payoff. And the last thing, Carmelo Anthony

1186
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: tonight twenty one minutes, I think that's where his minute

1187
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: load should be. I thought you saw him kind of

1188
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: pop off the screen a little bit more. He could

1189
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: pick his spots a little bit better. That's just a

1190
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: spot up guy or a post up guy. It's like

1191
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: ten minutes a half instead, Like I was looking, he

1192
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: played forty three minutes against the King's six games ago.

1193
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: Like if Carmelo had, he's playing forty three minutes for

1194
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: your team, you're a good basketball team. And that kind

1195
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: of goes into the that kind of goes into the

1196
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: forward issue that we have and all that. But I

1197
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: thought tonight, it just it looks so much better when

1198
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: he can just pick his spots as a score for

1199
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: ten minutes a game, and the defense is never gonna

1200
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: be great, it's gonna get picked on a few times.

1201
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: I thought he's in the right spots and all that.

1202
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: But I thought, like, we're seeing kind of the evolution

1203
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: of the team of what it will be when when

1204
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: everything is kind of finalized, and I think Carmelo at

1205
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: like sixteen to twenty minutes a game as part of that,

1206
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: and I thought he it was another good game for him.

1207
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: He didn't make a three tonight, but four for eleven,

1208
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: I die his offense was was fine. I thought he'd

1209
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: fit into the scheme of what we want to do.

1210
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: So there was the last three things. Goodwin man a

1211
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: lot of positives I know from us tonight, but I thought,

1212
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: I think that's important. I think it was a finally

1213
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: a fun one for us and everyone else didn't enjoy here. Yeah,

1214
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: so you actually just reminded me of one last thing

1215
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: that we'll touch on and then we'll call you tonight.

1216
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: Did you happen to see Anthony Irwin's like, uh like

1217
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: lineup rules thing that he sent out a couple days

1218
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: ago rules? No, I didn't see that, So it was

1219
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: kind of an interesting concept. I wanted to make sure

1220
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: Anthony got credit for it, because this is I mean,

1221
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: these are kind of ideas that I think all of

1222
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: us have had. But it's just like a like, if

1223
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: if Frank could just and he followed most of these

1224
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: rules tonight, not all of them, but most of these rules,

1225
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: but this, uh, you know. Basically, the idea was, uh,

1226
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: you know, just a couple of checklist items that if

1227
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: the lineups fit into these rules, then things would make

1228
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: a lot of more sense. And the ideas were like, hey, like,

1229
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play two bigs, can't be with RUSS, right,

1230
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: So never ever ever start a center alongside a D

1231
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: because you should ever ever have the impact of RUSS

1232
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: is spacing and the impact of a traditional center spacing, right.

1233
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: So like, if they're going to play in a D

1234
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: DWIGHT lineup, it should be you know, with either three

1235
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: shooters or with lebron and two shooters or something along

1236
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: something along those lines where you know, not only can

1237
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: you functionally run a defense by having those two big

1238
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 1: guys in the background of background to kind of cover

1239
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: for other guys mistakes, but it's just there's a lot

1240
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: more space to operate. And then the other rules were

1241
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: like staggered T H T and RUSS, which obviously I

1242
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: T is gonna play the big minutes, you can't fully

1243
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: stagger them. But yeah, I would stagger t h T

1244
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: and Russ. I don't. It's one of the big reasons

1245
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: why I don't like starting th h T. It's the

1246
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: idea that our best opportunity, to our best opportunity to

1247
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: set th HT up for success with his rhythm is

1248
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: to kind of do what what I've always talked about,

1249
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: like let him come in off the bench and come

1250
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: in gunning and being aggressive offensively, rather than putting him

1251
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: alongside a bunch of guys who are going to shoot

1252
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: every time they touch the ball, where he kind of

1253
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: struggles figuring out where he's gonna fit, you get you

1254
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: get a diminishing return on the t h T thing.

1255
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: In that regard. I like t she staggered with Russ.

1256
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: There will be some overlap. But and then the and

1257
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: then the last one was play our shooters. So essentially

1258
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: we have we have three dead eye shooters and Wayne

1259
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: Ellington Carmelo Anthony in the league month. In my opinion,

1260
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: with exception of the starters, we should have, we should

1261
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: try to have two of those guys on the court

1262
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: as much as possible, but we should never we should

1263
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: never have fewer than one of those guys on the

1264
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: court because of you know, just foundationally, it's easier to

1265
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: play in in poor spacing if it's like a four

1266
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: on four construct, then if it's a five on five constructs.

1267
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: But even if the rest of the lineup doesn't have

1268
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: great spacing, if that's Wayne Ellington in the corner and

1269
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: the guys glued to him, then even your jan Kie

1270
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: spacing will work better in a four in that four

1271
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: on four construct off of Ellington, if that makes sense.

1272
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: So not to mention, you can use him as a

1273
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: screener and do all those kinds of things. But shout

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Speaker 1: out to Anthony. I thought it was an interesting concept.

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Speaker 1: Just again, three basic rules play shooter, staggered t and

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Speaker 1: Russ never play Russ with the traditional center and a

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Speaker 1: D obviously the two big one I should say. But

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Speaker 1: it was an interesting concept because those those are really

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Speaker 1: really basic basketball rules that you think that that every

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Speaker 1: you know, coach should be able to kind of put together.

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Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, it's been something that that was

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Speaker 1: a slow development for Frank this year. Yeah, and Frank

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Speaker 1: definitely leads into defense. I think Lebron even talked about

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Speaker 1: that as well when I think he was asked about

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Speaker 1: the starting lineup and said, our coach is gonna lean

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Speaker 1: heavily onto the defensive end. But thought, you know, just

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Speaker 1: you going through those rules we went. We went with

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Speaker 1: a lot of those tonight. Actually, like I saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of that, um tonight. Russ was the first sub

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Speaker 1: I believe, and it was Milink Monk who came in. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and you had the shooter in there, um and Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think Russ and Lebron were staggered tonight. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there was any point where one of them wasn't

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Speaker 1: on the floor. So it was never it was never

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Speaker 1: THHD by himself, or it was never a d without

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Speaker 1: one of those two. Um. So I thought, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the staggering is getting better. So why Howard was the

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Speaker 1: backup center? And I thought he played well and he

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Speaker 1: was on the floor to me when it was Russ

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Speaker 1: with no other big So it wasn't Rusted and played

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Speaker 1: next to E. D and Dwight at all tonight. I don't,

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Speaker 1: at least from my memory, I don't think they played

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Speaker 1: that played that way. So the stuff that's going up,

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Speaker 1: but those rules, those rules make sense. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: we're getting closer and closer to that, and again I

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Speaker 1: think a reason is like the perfect middle ground for that.

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Speaker 1: I guess where he can space the floor and be

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Speaker 1: the defender that Vogel wants. Hopefully we're getting closer to that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, those are those are funny. Those those are

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Speaker 1: pretty true, true rules I guess to follow by all right, everybody,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming hang out on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: This will be on Dash Radio tomorrow morning at seven

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Speaker 1: am Pacific Standard time. UM. This will also be on

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Speaker 1: our podcast feed here in about thirty minutes. We sincerely

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Speaker 1: appreciate all of you guys for your support. We will

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Speaker 1: be back on Thursday night. UM. I think that one's

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Speaker 1: on the road at Memphis, correct, but I remember correctly. UM,

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Speaker 1: Friday night, Friday night, Okay, see game I. You have

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Speaker 1: a Christmas party, so I will be leaving you to

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Speaker 1: ride solo for that one if you're available. Um, but

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Speaker 1: we will be back on Thursday. We will talk more

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Speaker 1: about playing for Friday later. But again, we appreciate your

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Speaker 1: support and we'll see you guys in a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everyone,