Speaker 1: I don't know. Every day click up the breakfast clubs, y'all.
Speaker 2: Dumb yeps world most dangerous, wanting to show to breakfast
Speaker 2: club Charlamagne and God, DJ Nvy just hilarious, Envy and
Speaker 2: jets on here, but Laura l Rossa is and we
Speaker 2: got a special guest in the building, A man.
Speaker 3: I have no problem calling an icon.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it can in his head.
Speaker 3: How you doing, my.
Speaker 1: Man, man, I'm good. I mean I would say the
Speaker 1: same about you, man, not yet not come on man,
Speaker 1: quick playing. You know.
Speaker 2: The reason made me think of that, I was I
Speaker 2: was listening to you on myth Bleak podcast, okay, and
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know if it's because
Speaker 2: you and Bleak got such history, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I heard a different side of you
Speaker 2: in that interview.
Speaker 3: I don't know why. It was like it made me
Speaker 3: look at things in a different perspective.
Speaker 2: Not like I didn't always look at you in that way,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, yo, Nick has really done a lot.
Speaker 2: And I remember it was one part you was talking
Speaker 2: about how you just wanted to do things that were
Speaker 2: always authentic. Yeah, And it made me start thinking about
Speaker 2: all the different hats you won the comedian, acted, TV holes, rapper, directed, executive,
Speaker 2: And I was just like, damn nah, especially.
Speaker 1: Coming from you, man, because that's even that conversation that
Speaker 1: was when Smith was up here, and he was. But
Speaker 1: I've been in this game for so long, Like I've
Speaker 1: been running through New York since the nineties, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I used to run with them
Speaker 1: because we was all kind of young and stuff, so
Speaker 1: and they everybody used to look out for me because
Speaker 1: I was like this kid that was doing stand up
Speaker 1: and rapping and all of that stuff, so everybody would
Speaker 1: look out for me. It's like from Jay to you know,
Speaker 1: Will Smith, all of those different people kind of took
Speaker 1: a liking to me. So I've seen the game since
Speaker 1: the nineties. And to your point, man, like I've been
Speaker 1: blessed to be able to do so many different things.
Speaker 1: But it's like time, you don't think, like, damn, thirty
Speaker 1: years have passed, you know what I mean. Like and
Speaker 1: I've done I've done so much stuff that I forgot
Speaker 1: about a lot of times. But it's like you know,
Speaker 1: from the movies, the TV shows and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and now I'm just in a space man, where I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to operate and be the best father I
Speaker 1: can be. And you know, peace, that's a peace was
Speaker 1: most important?
Speaker 2: Which role feels more most authentically used and which one
Speaker 2: do you think people underestimate?
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, if we're talking like artistry, I
Speaker 1: love acting, I mean at the core, but stand up
Speaker 1: is what got me on. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Stand up is what you can do for the rest
Speaker 1: of your life. And it's evolved in such a way
Speaker 1: now so I probably never stopped doing that. There used
Speaker 1: to be this idea of like, oh, I want to
Speaker 1: be the entrepreneur and the hustler, and I kind of
Speaker 1: I did that for like ten fifteen years and did
Speaker 1: it heavy. It made a lot of money in and
Speaker 1: it was like it ain't even really about that no
Speaker 1: more so if I'm talking about my craft, I think
Speaker 1: I really enjoy acting, but I'm still going to be
Speaker 1: the business man that I am. I still now I'm
Speaker 1: in that space where I just want to give people opportunities,
Speaker 1: and so that has kind of almost stepped in front
Speaker 1: of like how much money I can make it like, yo,
Speaker 1: how many people can I help? And that's why I say,
Speaker 1: with you, man, I mean from the Black Effect to
Speaker 1: every everything you're building in the space is a mental
Speaker 1: health Like it's so necessary and so needed that I
Speaker 1: don't think you get the flowers as much as you
Speaker 1: should because you are quietly building culture for this next
Speaker 1: generation where nobody else is doing it, like, and you're
Speaker 1: doing it in a way where it's unapologetic and I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's from somebody who always wanted to do
Speaker 1: it and literally watched you build it. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: that's so dope, but you did build it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Like, to me, the underestimated part
Speaker 2: about you is your role as an executive because you
Speaker 2: didn't know while I was going on with twenty two seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, like you know, people don't may not
Speaker 2: know the MASD singer, you're an executive producer of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was he was like, I brought it out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got it. We took it from it was a
Speaker 1: Korean property, it was, and it was a hit over
Speaker 1: overseason we brought it here and now what season fourteen.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, but that's a that's to me,
Speaker 1: those are things like I just enjoy it, and I
Speaker 1: guess that's the business mindset as an executive. But to me,
Speaker 1: like that's like I'm sowing that space now, like I'm
Speaker 1: probably creating maybe three or four different game shows and
Speaker 1: stuff like that coming up, because I understand like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can have fun doing this, But then at the
Speaker 1: same time, this is an empty space that you don't
Speaker 1: really see us in that much.
Speaker 3: So you're the chairman of Team Nick for ten years.
Speaker 1: Ten years. Yeah, yeah, we was over there fifteen fifteen
Speaker 1: and you was over there.
Speaker 2: That story fucked me up because I didn't realize what
Speaker 2: a mass single story bumed upcause I didn't realize you
Speaker 2: left America's Got Talent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well that was dang. It was so
Speaker 1: long ago. But you know, me running my mouth doing
Speaker 1: saying stuff I ain't had no business saying, Uh, well,
Speaker 1: actually I was telling jokes in my stand up in NBC.
Speaker 1: Didn't like it, and they kind of like threatened to
Speaker 1: fire me. And I was on my Chappelle shit at
Speaker 1: the time, like I had been kicking it with him,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, well, they go, well I
Speaker 1: quit and I literally just stepped away from from America's
Speaker 1: Got Talent, And everybody's like, yo, this is the biggest
Speaker 1: mistake of your entire career million yeah, yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was people are like jobs like that don't come around again.
Speaker 1: Howard Stern was trying to convince me to stay, and
Speaker 1: he I'm looking up to him because he told NBC
Speaker 1: when you know, back in the day that he was
Speaker 1: leaving and all that stuff, so and he was like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: keep that job, Simon. Everybody was trying to convince me.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, nah, I know my worst
Speaker 1: And then I went and created a show over at
Speaker 1: Fox that was bigger than America's Got Talent.
Speaker 4: When you posted about you leaving AGC back all those
Speaker 4: years ago, you had said that at one point you
Speaker 4: were in a dark place about trying to figure out
Speaker 4: the decision.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everybody was like against me, like my entire team,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what am I making a a bad
Speaker 1: decision because I'm literally trying to stand up for freedom
Speaker 1: of speech and stand up for my culture and all
Speaker 1: of that stuff. And it was like, wait, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm making the right decision, but nobody they're like, nah, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta this is how the game worst. And you
Speaker 1: your highest paid hosts on television and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You step away from that, you know, the industry's not
Speaker 1: gonna rock with you no more. And I just stood
Speaker 1: ten toes down. But it was definitely a dark place
Speaker 1: because I mean, and that's happened a few times in
Speaker 1: my career, so like at certain points it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know what this is. It's a cycle, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So long as I can always stay
Speaker 1: true to myself, then it ain't never gonna be an
Speaker 1: issue with me. But it was scary, you know when
Speaker 1: the first times happened, you don't know, like, dang, is
Speaker 1: this over?
Speaker 3: Dan?
Speaker 1: How am I gonna feed my family from this point on?
Speaker 1: If everybody around me agents managed, everybody's like, nah, you
Speaker 1: got to figure this out. But you know, luckily you
Speaker 1: believe it in yourself. Definitely plays what did.
Speaker 4: You learn about like how to navigate the race conversations
Speaker 4: working with corporations from that, because I know the joke
Speaker 4: was it was you jokingly saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nigga, be careful, it's true, right, uh, And they
Speaker 1: didn't like that. But again, and we had we had
Speaker 1: several conversations, you know, closed door, and it was just
Speaker 1: it was when you feel something isn't authentic, you just
Speaker 1: kind of know, like, yo, I'm gonna just trust my
Speaker 1: gut and sometimes because I don't. I don't think there
Speaker 1: was any malice even from their side and stuff. They're
Speaker 1: trying to protect their brand.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then there was part of me that just at
Speaker 1: that time in my life, I was soap boxing, so heavy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I wanted to pontificate. I
Speaker 1: wanted to and that's the energy I think even a
Speaker 1: lot of us was on when it was really just like, yo,
Speaker 1: we're standing up for us and we whip and all
Speaker 1: of that. And I think rightly, so it was a
Speaker 1: good decision at the time. But now that I'm you know,
Speaker 1: a little more mature and all that stuff, it's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you definitely got to know how to pick your battles.
Speaker 1: Even though I won that one. And you know, I
Speaker 1: would encourage people to always stand firm and who you
Speaker 1: are and what you represent, but that can it can
Speaker 1: drain you so much, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: like I said, it's only a boy the grace of
Speaker 1: God that you know, I am able to continue on
Speaker 1: and continue to keep going and not stopping. So but yeah, man,
Speaker 1: at this point, man, I'm just I'm chilling. IM just
Speaker 1: like I'm just like I said, piece is the most
Speaker 1: important thing to me?
Speaker 5: Oh that was my.
Speaker 4: I mean we can go anywhere. I don't want to
Speaker 4: take go off of that. I guess talking about peace
Speaker 4: right and some of the things that drain you when
Speaker 4: you picking and choosing these shows. Some people you work
Speaker 4: with now you today because I know you've had a
Speaker 4: lot of situations that worked and didn't work, artists You've
Speaker 4: tried to helping things of that nature. Yeah, the people
Speaker 4: business is really tricky when it comes to peace. So
Speaker 4: has there been people that have come in the cannon
Speaker 4: and the cannon is like, yeah, I'm not let you
Speaker 4: dream my energy.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, all the time. I mean, but more than anything,
Speaker 1: especially when you're dealing with talent, they gotta want it
Speaker 1: more than you do. I've made the mistake a lot
Speaker 1: of times where I see something in somebody or see
Speaker 1: the vision and like, man, they got it, but they
Speaker 1: don't actually work hard enough. The talent is clearly there,
Speaker 1: but they don't know what it takes. And then they
Speaker 1: feel like, oh well, I'm with Nicks, so I'm good.
Speaker 1: And it gets to a space where you know, spend
Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars on different artists and different
Speaker 1: projects and stuff, and they don't go because the energy
Speaker 1: on it from the standpoint of who you're trying to help,
Speaker 1: they not believing in themselves one hundred percent yet. So
Speaker 1: now even more than talent, I look for someone's drive
Speaker 1: and if they really got it, and they do it,
Speaker 1: and I think even when you look at what the
Speaker 1: labels and stuff are, that's what they pay attention they do.
Speaker 1: But they but they pay attention to who has the motion.
Speaker 1: They pay attention to who has the drive because then
Speaker 1: they all they got to do is throw bread behind
Speaker 1: that and then it's going to go. But if they
Speaker 1: don't develop, nothing no more. And and to be honest,
Speaker 1: I mean JD said a lot of times they didn't
Speaker 1: back in the day, they didn't develop. They just had
Speaker 1: cats like JD or Puff or you know all of
Speaker 1: those different you know, black owned labels that they were
Speaker 1: the ones that did it developing and then they had
Speaker 1: the relationship with the majors. So you know, that's the
Speaker 1: idea now to where it's so much entertainment, so much
Speaker 1: content out there now that our curation system is the
Speaker 1: thing that's the most important. I mean, that's why y'all
Speaker 1: are who y'all are, because this is the only space
Speaker 1: to really pull up and actually curate and understand, like yo,
Speaker 1: if they said it on the Breakfast Club or if
Speaker 1: we heard about it there, then that's really we don't
Speaker 1: have too many other spots that actually can do that anymore.
Speaker 2: I feel like, while that has been a curious space too,
Speaker 2: like you know, and it's become like this cultural institution
Speaker 2: for hip hop and comedy. And I always wonder, what's
Speaker 2: the one decision you made early on that you think
Speaker 2: like ensured the longevity.
Speaker 1: Of damn listening to the young folk more than anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, wild'n I was a journey in itself too,
Speaker 1: because nobody believed in that that was something I'd invest
Speaker 1: in on myself. Lucky, that was early MTV days, like
Speaker 1: I was, you know, hosting TRL and all the spring
Speaker 1: breaks and all of that type of stuff. And they
Speaker 1: gave me a deal and they wanted me to do
Speaker 1: like some punk type of show because that's where Ashton
Speaker 1: was popping at the time. And I was like, now
Speaker 1: I want to bring my friends together and mixed hip
Speaker 1: hop and comedy and improv together. And they didn't understand it,
Speaker 1: and so I went shot it with my own money
Speaker 1: and then they got it, but then I owned it.
Speaker 1: So then from that standpoint, that obviously probably was the
Speaker 1: best decision of just making sure that I owned my
Speaker 1: ip from the gate. And then I think we did
Speaker 1: like a strong four seasons and then you know, I
Speaker 1: got married and things start shifting up between you know, MTV,
Speaker 1: and there was MTV two was created and all of that,
Speaker 1: and so when I brought it back for MTV two
Speaker 1: and MTV two was like really like the hip hop MTV.
Speaker 1: We kind of just you know, ran that channel. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's when me and Charlotte really got got down back then,
Speaker 1: because that we was just making whatever we wanted to
Speaker 1: do on MTV two. It was like we'd literally be
Speaker 1: over there and they kind of gave us free reign
Speaker 1: to kind of be creative. And that was a time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I was like mid two
Speaker 1: thousands and U from there. I think the longevity just
Speaker 1: finding cats like you know, the eighty five South crew
Speaker 1: and you know hit Man Holler and Conceded and Justina
Speaker 1: and like they kind of keep the brand going where
Speaker 1: even from the Gate, from even the Cat Williams days
Speaker 1: and Kevin Hart Day. I've always been the dude that
Speaker 1: just fell back and let everybody else shine.
Speaker 2: You remember, we was gonna we were going to do it,
Speaker 2: was gonna bring your MTV raps back. Yeah, we were
Speaker 2: executive producing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did it a couple of times. We got
Speaker 1: the crazy thing. Uh it was the hosts were gonna
Speaker 1: be Jesus and Merrill and we had it on that's crazy.
Speaker 1: We had it on a bus. Uh we were it
Speaker 1: was they were saying it. We we got this big
Speaker 1: ass tour bus and we sent them all over and
Speaker 1: me and Charlotte was executive producers and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It was gonna be like a correspond Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's but that's the thing where we've had
Speaker 1: the opportunity over the years is just generate stuff and
Speaker 1: some of it works, some of it stick, and then
Speaker 1: some of it don't. But uh yeah, man like to
Speaker 1: have something like wild'n Out kind of just have the
Speaker 1: longevity that it has.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: So just now you were sitting the ip for walling
Speaker 4: out you own, Yeah, so can you explain the bad?
Speaker 5: What was it? The bad versus Wild? How How does
Speaker 5: that happen?
Speaker 1: The like?
Speaker 5: How how is MTV or whoever able to come to
Speaker 5: you and say.
Speaker 1: Used to we're partners. We're still partners in, Okay. So
Speaker 1: it's like because you got to understand too, especially when
Speaker 1: you're dealing with like Paramount. Paramount is a publicly traded company,
Speaker 1: so even within No Matt like, there's still an ownership percentage.
Speaker 5: Got you, okay?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. So if and I think
Speaker 1: I talked about this when I was here here before,
Speaker 1: like if you own one hundred percent of something and
Speaker 1: your partner ain't supporting you, then you never go in.
Speaker 1: So I've always valued them as my partners. But it's
Speaker 1: always going to be stuff to where you know, I
Speaker 1: try to move with autonomy a lot of times because
Speaker 1: like it's mine, but still got to make sure that
Speaker 1: the attorneys are talking to everybody and stuff because they're
Speaker 1: just trying to protect their brand and because it is
Speaker 1: on their networks, it is associated with them, so I
Speaker 1: can't just go run wild and do something and they
Speaker 1: didn't approve it and stuff like that. So you know,
Speaker 1: but that's just the business.
Speaker 4: I've been able to talk about and figure out what
Speaker 4: all that is. Because there are reports of them being
Speaker 4: upset the suit them none.
Speaker 1: Of that stuff. I don't even think that was really real.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it was real, but I think
Speaker 1: it didn't really have anything to do with me. Nah nah,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know what, I don't not me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I think. There's something there was something between zeus in
Speaker 1: Paramount that if you never noticed, like I was never
Speaker 1: named in it, so I kind of always just fell back.
Speaker 1: And the whole time that happened, I'm talking, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody at Paramount is my people. So they're like but
Speaker 1: they're like, look, we got to make sure we're protecting
Speaker 1: and they're like, look, we're trying to protect you as well.
Speaker 1: So you know how it is, like that's just business
Speaker 1: and that that never that type of stuff I've had
Speaker 1: like real issues legally. That was never like a.
Speaker 4: Real thing that people come out sean when people think
Speaker 4: that people are playing with you, because then people are like,
Speaker 4: he's done so much and he's been doing it for
Speaker 4: so long.
Speaker 5: Yea, so people thought that involved.
Speaker 4: So people were really pissed off, like how would they
Speaker 4: do that to him when we only know wild'n out
Speaker 4: because of Nick Cannon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was me and lim trying to
Speaker 1: and I was just listening to limb like because I
Speaker 1: really respect what he what he built, and he was like, man,
Speaker 1: I want to do something you know where I have
Speaker 1: all of our talent kind of act like they're doing
Speaker 1: Wild Out. And I was like, why not, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? That seemed like that could be dope.
Speaker 1: He's always doing offshoots and stuff. But I guess there
Speaker 1: was some history between you know, Zeus and Paramount that
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I ain't getting involved in none
Speaker 1: of that stuff. So but but it all worked out.
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot and that this industry,
Speaker 1: you know how that goes too. There's people start putting
Speaker 1: out press releases and things like that, and that stuff
Speaker 1: makes more noise than what actually happens. And I think
Speaker 1: even they figured it out super quickly, but it you know,
Speaker 1: once the headlines hit, everybody was like, oh, it's good,
Speaker 1: it's going down, and you know, because you know, right now,
Speaker 1: like wild'n Out, we got brand new episodes Aaron right now,
Speaker 1: but it had it was kind of on hiatus for
Speaker 1: a second, so they were like, what's going on? Is
Speaker 1: it gonna get in there was like nah, it was
Speaker 1: just that was the interim of getting to the to
Speaker 1: the new episodes. So it all worked itself out.
Speaker 3: I want to go back to something. So you all
Speaker 3: doing new episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we got new ones running right now and
Speaker 1: that's I think it come on every Monday night v
Speaker 1: H one and then obviously all of this, you know,
Speaker 1: YouTube and all of that type of stuff. But they
Speaker 1: were rocking right now. It's going, it's going heavy.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I felt a little way about the new Paramount ownership,
Speaker 2: not because I know anything about them.
Speaker 3: It's just that that was.
Speaker 2: All home for a long time, in a long time,
Speaker 2: guys like Chris McCarthy, Richie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is just because there was our people.
Speaker 2: There are people in a real way like that. Just
Speaker 2: regime gone, Like yeah, I heard a little bit. I'm
Speaker 2: not going front.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I was right like you said, I was
Speaker 1: over fifteen fifteen for ten years like so, so it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's an end of an era. But it's
Speaker 1: like I think the new regime is they're trying to
Speaker 1: hold time. I thought they was gonna sell everything, like
Speaker 1: I thought they was gonna sell BT Nickelodeon, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and they said, nah, we're gonna keep it and we're
Speaker 1: gonna redevelop. They trying to redevelop MTV and actually turn
Speaker 1: it back into a music brand and stuff. So like
Speaker 1: and they got the bag. So hey, I salute them,
Speaker 1: and like I said, uh, we're about to diversify wild'n
Speaker 1: Out in such a way that obviously, you know, my
Speaker 1: my main focus is being international, and even there's an
Speaker 1: education platform that I've been working on from the gate
Speaker 1: for like a lot of the public school systems and
Speaker 1: even the HBCUs to where trying to build a curriculum
Speaker 1: based off of you know, improv and our ability and
Speaker 1: so like the same way that you have the groundlings
Speaker 1: are the same way that you have a second city,
Speaker 1: we can have that in our communities to where you
Speaker 1: can go to the Wilding Out theater down the street
Speaker 1: and learn how, you know, all the principles and concepts
Speaker 1: of how to how to be a performer and how
Speaker 1: to do live improv and things like that, and then
Speaker 1: that becomes an incubation system for new talent. So where
Speaker 1: I used to just go online and be like yo,
Speaker 1: who's the funniest kid? Who Got who nice as a
Speaker 1: as a battle wrapper. Now I can literally say I
Speaker 1: have schools in various cities that are training and developing
Speaker 1: young people with all of the concepts of you know,
Speaker 1: funny comedians, hip hop, but at the same time teaching
Speaker 1: them principles about you know, just pure education is I.
Speaker 4: Think I think somebody like you could do that so
Speaker 4: well because you're in that middle point of like, you
Speaker 4: know and feel and are real talent and understand what
Speaker 4: developing that it's like, but also you're like of the now,
Speaker 4: like you know what's happening, and a lot of times
Speaker 4: it's like a disconnect. I was just listening to you
Speaker 4: talk about that made me think about a conversation me
Speaker 4: and Charlotte were having about Marlon Wayne's on stream and
Speaker 4: just the reaction to what you said. I said that
Speaker 4: Marland was way better.
Speaker 5: Than Kay on the stream, and and.
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't say it in a way like
Speaker 4: I didn't expect him to be It's just wear the
Speaker 4: full conversation. I said, I know it's Marla Wayne's, but
Speaker 4: he was way better than Kyle on the stream. But
Speaker 4: it would be it would be so dope to see
Speaker 4: stuff like that bridge more because younger people get to
Speaker 4: see like he really does this. Like but younger people
Speaker 4: don't know Marlon Wayans.
Speaker 3: And understand that stand up comedian. You know how many
Speaker 3: of course he's going to be.
Speaker 4: They know who he is, but they I think sometimes
Speaker 4: people don't understand how putting your reps in doing everything
Speaker 4: that Marlon Wayne's has been brought up doing his whole
Speaker 4: life prepares you to do whatever you want very well,
Speaker 4: because we a lot of us get on stream or
Speaker 4: get online and numbers go and we're just here, we're
Speaker 4: figuring it out. So to see somebody who's really talented
Speaker 4: like him be with Kyson who's also talented, but you know,
Speaker 4: like it's like a variety show stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was just fire to see them together.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, and you're one hundred percent
Speaker 1: right to where that's what we should be one as
Speaker 1: a community, taking our OG's and putting them with a
Speaker 1: young guys and saying like, look, this is we're gonna
Speaker 1: polish you. And that's really what wild'n Out always was.
Speaker 1: And that's even why I switched it from like old
Speaker 1: school in new school, because it's like we want all
Speaker 1: of that energy because Kai and them they got their
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of what's going on. They got
Speaker 1: all of the young people. But there's also a process
Speaker 1: of being seasoned and longevity in this. And somebody like Marlin,
Speaker 1: like that's my og, that's big bro. Like I've looked
Speaker 1: up to him my entire career because it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: that dude has done it all, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: from starts, like so much stuff that we forgot a
Speaker 1: lot of times. But let's started several black blockbuster movies
Speaker 1: and TV shows, and so it's effortless for him because
Speaker 1: this is what he do.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, not that people don't know him,
Speaker 4: but I think a lot of younger people don't even
Speaker 4: understand the.
Speaker 3: Preparation actual talent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Let's think about the car the world.
Speaker 2: We don't even know what they're gonna do yet, just
Speaker 2: their platform introducing them.
Speaker 3: We don't know what them skill sets are.
Speaker 2: You Like the little dude Reggie that be doing the comedy,
Speaker 2: I think he's hilarious. I'm looking at him like he
Speaker 2: should be in movies and TV like that's what him.
Speaker 2: But then I can see that for Kay as well.
Speaker 1: Nah, because Kyle came on Wilding Out early on, like
Speaker 1: it's funny my kids put me up on Ky back
Speaker 1: in the day and he was like, Dad, you gotta
Speaker 1: put Kay on wild Out. We put him on and
Speaker 1: he rocked it. And I was this was before all
Speaker 1: of the stuff, and I was like, yo, man, you
Speaker 1: want to be on the show. And he was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know how much money y'all make it? Right now?
Speaker 1: I was like, I get it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I was like right at the beginning, but I
Speaker 1: was trying to you know, from the Cays to the
Speaker 1: drew Skis, you know, like when they first started bubbling.
Speaker 1: I'm always seeing who's now. I remember even I showed
Speaker 1: speed my son put me up on him when he
Speaker 1: was like sixteen. He was like and like we was
Speaker 1: talking to his parents and everything, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: that it was a way to put a sixteen year
Speaker 1: old on wild'n Out and all that stuff. So you
Speaker 1: they they communicate with the youth in such a way
Speaker 1: that we don't even know how to do it. I
Speaker 1: don't like, it's like I don't know what the algorithm
Speaker 1: is or from the clipping all that stuff, but they're
Speaker 1: communicating differently. So I'm just trying to figure that out
Speaker 1: because that is truly a talent in itself. And then
Speaker 1: if they're they if they're gifted on top of that,
Speaker 1: whether it's musically, whether it's you know, even like I said,
Speaker 1: somebody like Speed, I'm like, dude is a natural athlete
Speaker 1: and has turned probably made more money just doing what
Speaker 1: he does than any professional athlete could because he's just
Speaker 1: been able to figure it out internationally. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm so in all those young dudes and what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Like you said, they just now building a platform and
Speaker 1: they're teenagers there, you know what I mean, Imagine what
Speaker 1: they'll be, you know, five ten years.
Speaker 3: That's how I.
Speaker 5: Inspire what you're trying to do. That's what I mean
Speaker 5: to say.
Speaker 4: It's like, not that they're not talented, but they need
Speaker 4: what you're trying to do at the same time.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't think we're supposed to figure it about.
Speaker 2: Like they have their audience right every now and then
Speaker 2: they invite unks over and yeah, fun also can put
Speaker 2: you in a movie, Yeah, can put you on TV?
Speaker 3: Like you know, if that's what you want to do.
Speaker 2: That's why I love the relationship Kevin got with them,
Speaker 2: because that's the way I see it.
Speaker 1: Nah, that's real, and that's that's how we all came up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Even when I was creating
Speaker 1: wild'n Out and stuff, I would like I said, I
Speaker 1: was talking to Cass like you know, Jamie Fox and
Speaker 1: Marlin and all of them, and they were like, yo,
Speaker 1: they was giving me advice and I was, you know,
Speaker 1: paying attention to the game when I was a teenager
Speaker 1: around them. So then when I got my opportunities to
Speaker 1: be an executive or get deals and produce stuff, I
Speaker 1: had already knew how to do it. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. We just got to pass the
Speaker 1: information over to the to the young boys.
Speaker 3: Do you see yourself as a bit a bridge building
Speaker 3: for the next generation?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I never really thought of it like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, when I see what your building,
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, that's that's needed. I think at
Speaker 1: some point I was on that for a minute, but
Speaker 1: then it's like I just got to focus on what's working.
Speaker 1: And then so I know how important wilding Out is
Speaker 1: to the culture, so I can build those bridges through
Speaker 1: that I can continue to be the conduit for those spaces.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's it's still like trying
Speaker 1: to build for the culture as much as it's just
Speaker 1: really just trying to do the best work I could
Speaker 1: possibly do.
Speaker 3: I don't know why you acting like you don't do that.
Speaker 3: I think Wilding Out does that.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: I also do that by the talent that you choose
Speaker 4: to work with and some of the projects that you developed,
Speaker 4: a lot of people be able.
Speaker 5: To do that.
Speaker 2: Soro matt Rife came from from Wilding Up. They was
Speaker 2: already doing anything but.
Speaker 1: Pete all of that stuff. Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely that's and that's why I said, like
Speaker 1: probably I can focus on that and like I said,
Speaker 1: everything I'm trying to build. But before, you know, like
Speaker 1: when we I was, you know, the executive over there
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, it was just like we were
Speaker 1: just trying to build stuff for us, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and see how much we can and they
Speaker 1: was allowing us to do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we were just trying to put on for the culture.
Speaker 1: Where now I think, you know, as I've gotten a
Speaker 1: little older, it's like I gotta pick and choose where
Speaker 1: to put my energy because if I'm just there was
Speaker 1: a point where I was like, I want to give
Speaker 1: everybody a deal, and I want to design it and
Speaker 1: I want to figure like I'll be up trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how how can I build a streaming platform
Speaker 1: and how can I do it? And it's like a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is so draining when you can
Speaker 1: just focus on what's working in rock like that, Well
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 5: The Nicked Night Show. Now late Night Space? Why late
Speaker 5: night Space is time?
Speaker 1: I think? I mean, I'm be honest. They kind of
Speaker 1: you know, Amazon came at me and was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you should do this, and I was like all right,
Speaker 1: you know, like it was a fun you know take
Speaker 1: on how to flip late night and almost like late
Speaker 1: night radio that used to be like the calling advice
Speaker 1: for relationship and sex and stuff like that. So it
Speaker 1: was a cool, uh we do it that, you know,
Speaker 1: a spot that I have ownership in in Hollywood and
Speaker 1: it's just like a cool little date night vibe to
Speaker 1: where you know, we bring in a professional, whether it's
Speaker 1: a therapist or a psychologists, and you know they give
Speaker 1: the real advice and I'm just there for the commentary,
Speaker 1: but it's super dope because then I do Man on
Speaker 1: the Street bits with it and all that stuff. So
Speaker 1: it's just another thing to do again, something to have
Speaker 1: fun with. But you know, when they presented it to me,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let's get it.
Speaker 3: I saw you on this sand you don't believe in
Speaker 3: you don't like the term co parenting.
Speaker 1: I think that was again that they clickbait, I think
Speaker 1: what I said, But in that sense, what I was saying,
Speaker 1: I was like, is parenting you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I think we start, you know, trying to come up
Speaker 1: with all of these phrases that kind of be like, no,
Speaker 1: we just let's just be the best parents we can
Speaker 1: possibly be, because then once you start trying to define
Speaker 1: what co parenting is, and then it's like then that
Speaker 1: diminishes what our experience as just as parents, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I think everybody wants to be the
Speaker 1: best parents to their child. So I was just saying,
Speaker 1: I don't like all of these terms that society just
Speaker 1: starts putting putting on there, especially you know, based off
Speaker 1: of they throw terms at me constantly, So I was like,
Speaker 1: why can't it just be parenting, like why does it?
Speaker 1: But that there's a negative connotation sometimes that it goes in,
Speaker 1: like I've never had a bad experience, so I'd rather
Speaker 1: just like, no, we parent together. Like that just sounds,
Speaker 1: you know, a little better than what co parenting. Co
Speaker 1: parenting sounds like you got lawyers involved and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: which the people who do that, that's that's cool, but
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like, if we're really getting to
Speaker 1: the core of it, parenting is what we're doing.
Speaker 4: I saw or I read the interview that Mariah Kare
Speaker 4: did with Harper's Bazarre where she talked about wanting to
Speaker 4: really be fair when you guys parents in situation because
Speaker 4: like you know, growing up with parents who are not
Speaker 4: together anymore is really difficult. Your kids are getting older now,
Speaker 4: have they ever come to you and been like, dad,
Speaker 4: like why are y'all not together?
Speaker 1: When they were a little younger? Really yeah, but now
Speaker 1: you know they fourteen, they kind of get it and
Speaker 1: they like, we've always had a great relationship. I mean,
Speaker 1: even with Mariah saying like I've always we've been present,
Speaker 1: you know, So even in that sense where I remember
Speaker 1: when they were probably like ten eleven, that's kind of
Speaker 1: when they would say, you know, can you guys get
Speaker 1: married again and all that stuff. And it's because when
Speaker 1: they see us as a family, it looks, you know,
Speaker 1: like oh, this is this is what it should be.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, they're fourteen now, so
Speaker 1: they kind of they understand that it's just it's a
Speaker 1: little it's it's not picture perfect, but it's their family
Speaker 1: and they love it.
Speaker 4: And then there was another clip people Love coming for You,
Speaker 4: and apparentis though they do get this, does it ever
Speaker 4: get to a point where you're just like, what the hell,
Speaker 4: Like I'm over it? Everything you say.
Speaker 1: Not really be cause it's like it's been that way
Speaker 1: for years, Like I've never like I it's been since
Speaker 1: you had twelve kids.
Speaker 5: It's heightened because you I mean.
Speaker 1: But it's always been able to like, I'm from the
Speaker 1: stuff that we was talking about earlier that they always like,
Speaker 1: I'll say something my mouth forget me in trouble or something,
Speaker 1: and then it's like I got to clear it up.
Speaker 1: And a few years back, I mean, I ain't even
Speaker 1: worried about clearing that stuff up, especially when I have
Speaker 1: so many platforms of my own that it's just like, well,
Speaker 1: long as they promoting it, I'm not even tripping. So
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna I'm going to speak my truth and
Speaker 1: if you know, I'm only responsible for what I say,
Speaker 1: and that for what you understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there was a clip of you talking about
Speaker 4: your daughters and who you want your daughter to date
Speaker 4: and oh yeah, And even with that, I was like,
Speaker 4: when you listen to what he was trying to say
Speaker 4: and understand it, you're just taking accountability that you changed
Speaker 4: a lot. The men you are now is who you
Speaker 4: want your kids to date, not.
Speaker 3: Who you were to talk about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And most men, if you asked them honestly, would
Speaker 1: you be like, yo, would you want your daughter to
Speaker 1: date a young boy like you? Yeah, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: like no, you know, but in that sense, like as
Speaker 1: we mature, you're gonna be like, look, dad did a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, made a lot of mistakes. Please don't
Speaker 1: find somebody like that, but find somebody that is gonna
Speaker 1: treat you right and do that. And that's that's all
Speaker 1: I was saying. In that sense, it was like I
Speaker 1: was taking accountability and just saying like, yeah, I do
Speaker 1: have five daughters and I want them to make way
Speaker 1: better choices than I made. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: every parent.
Speaker 2: I would want my daughters to have, the version of
Speaker 2: me that went on a healing journey, right, that version
Speaker 2: you can find that early. Yeah, because I know a
Speaker 2: lot of my homegirls not tell me they won't even
Speaker 2: date a guy who's not trying to.
Speaker 3: Do some work on thisself. Yeah, in therapy or something
Speaker 3: big fact.
Speaker 1: And that's I think, you know, we obviously share that
Speaker 1: that same energy of like therapy has changed our lives
Speaker 1: in such a way because I used to feed off
Speaker 1: of toxicity, you know, I used to you know, from
Speaker 1: being diagnosed as a narcissist and all that. Like I
Speaker 1: would like that's the type of stuff it was like,
Speaker 1: yeah my ego, Yeah, yeah, is.
Speaker 5: Gonna love that?
Speaker 1: You like?
Speaker 5: How does that work?
Speaker 1: It's a pro You gotta one. You gotta have the
Speaker 1: right psychiatrists or even psychologists that they both can do it.
Speaker 1: But it's like a three week process to where you
Speaker 1: gotta they do an in person verbal interview that you
Speaker 1: got to answer all of these questions at a certain pace.
Speaker 1: Then you got to fill out these forms. Then you
Speaker 1: gotta write U and not like they're don't they're not
Speaker 1: trick questions, but there are questions that you know, from
Speaker 1: one to ten, how do you do this? How would
Speaker 1: you handle this in this situation? And then they take
Speaker 1: it takes about a month to come back. And then
Speaker 1: it's a spectrum and it tells you where you land
Speaker 1: on the spectrum of MPD. And you know, luckily, uh,
Speaker 1: like the far end of the spectrum where people a
Speaker 1: lot of people you know, associating narcissism with where there's
Speaker 1: the lack of empathy and rage. I didn't have those,
Speaker 1: Like those are the things where like people just you know,
Speaker 1: they're so into themselves that it's dangerous. But all of
Speaker 1: the you know, the self worth and you know, believing
Speaker 1: that who you are and that you're you know, a
Speaker 1: unique individual and your word matters more than most. Like
Speaker 1: I had all of that, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: so that you have to do the work once once
Speaker 1: you've been diagnosed, you're like, oh wow, So even in
Speaker 1: dealing with my children or dealing with the mothers and
Speaker 1: my children, it's like, now I'm equipped with saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm probably gaslighting when I'm doing that, or oh you
Speaker 1: know what I could probably present this a little softer
Speaker 1: or at least with a little bit more compassion, because
Speaker 1: my nature is to be like what, I created this,
Speaker 1: I'm this, I'm that. And then it's like, but that's
Speaker 1: not helping, you know what I mean. We're not looking
Speaker 1: for resolution. I'm just looking to be right and really
Speaker 1: feeding my ego. So I've learned all of that type
Speaker 1: of stuff and it's helped me become a better parent
Speaker 1: and a better partner in a scenario, what'd you get
Speaker 1: diagnosed when? Yeah, that was maybe like two years ago.
Speaker 1: And then because you ever heard of doctor Amen, I
Speaker 1: think you had to see him because he's all online,
Speaker 1: but he does all of these brain scans. He's a
Speaker 1: brain psychiatrist and he has it's called the Aiming Clinics.
Speaker 1: And they did like this whole brain scan on me,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking like, oh, I'm gonna be i'mna have
Speaker 1: a genius brain and all of this stuff, and turns
Speaker 1: out like I had like severe brain damage in my
Speaker 1: frontal lobe what and like, and he would like he said,
Speaker 1: I'm the poster child for ADHD, which I kind of
Speaker 1: always knew, but I believe it came from you know,
Speaker 1: in the brain scans. He did a whole episode on
Speaker 1: his platform about it, but it actually there said there
Speaker 1: was like some trauma probably when I was a kid
Speaker 1: that whether I fell or something like that that actually
Speaker 1: shifted and from that, you know, he's like you were
Speaker 1: probably already ADHD, but because your frontal lobe was damaged
Speaker 1: and then there was like some other We can have
Speaker 1: toxicity of the brain too a lot of times. So
Speaker 1: there's like whether it's like and we don't even know
Speaker 1: it in our communities, like everything from like mold and
Speaker 1: all of that stuff can actually affect how we function.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously you know it's the gut to
Speaker 1: mine ratio, Like just the stuff we're putting in our
Speaker 1: bodies actually affects our mind. So I learned all of
Speaker 1: this stuff within like the last two years about like
Speaker 1: having a better brain and having you know, being able
Speaker 1: to control your mind and accept the things that you've
Speaker 1: been diagnosed with but also know that you can get better.
Speaker 5: What made you want to go out it?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm tripping.
Speaker 2: Because, like you know, when you started having a bunch
Speaker 2: of the kids, right, there's a lot of people around
Speaker 2: in the mental health space.
Speaker 3: Spiritual leaders.
Speaker 2: They would talk to me one person in particular, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say her name, and she was like,
Speaker 2: he has narcisstic personality disorder blah blah blah. And I'm like, Nick,
Speaker 2: because to your point, when I think of narcissism, I
Speaker 2: think of lack of empathy rage.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not nick, not she called it.
Speaker 1: So you say that, it's like wow, nah, And it's true,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it's like it gets
Speaker 1: there's there's certain things, especially on the spectrum, where I
Speaker 1: had to own up and be like, man, I did
Speaker 1: do that, you know what I mean. I did try
Speaker 1: to make it all about me. I did try to
Speaker 1: create my own and that like those are those are
Speaker 1: the concepts we used to embrace, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the boss, I created this, it's my world. Chicks
Speaker 1: gotta you know, fall in line and all of that stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but what he was that ain't how you had kids.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a process. That's part of it.
Speaker 3: So what you baby Mama number twelve.
Speaker 1: But that's I mean, you learn, Man I was, but
Speaker 1: I was on that, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: was on that for a long long period of time.
Speaker 1: And a lot of obviously too. A lot of it,
Speaker 1: if we're being completely honest, A lot of it is
Speaker 1: the the trauma that I was experiencing and not knowing
Speaker 1: how to handle divorce, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: like me acting out because I'm like, oh, I'm the
Speaker 1: man now and I can instead of healing and doing
Speaker 1: what I should have actually did, I just jumped out there.
Speaker 1: And because I had everything from wilding out and all
Speaker 1: the things, is like, those were all distractions from the
Speaker 1: actual work that I probably.
Speaker 3: Should Did you feel like you two things?
Speaker 2: Did you feel like you failed because the marriage failed?
Speaker 2: Or did you were you worried about what the industry
Speaker 2: would think because the industry was already on some.
Speaker 3: How Did Nick Cannon get Mariah anyway?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a little bit of both.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I hadn't did the work, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I was just like, just as
Speaker 1: long as I could keep moving, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like long, and I didn't get a chance to slow
Speaker 1: down until I got in therapy. But I was just like, look,
Speaker 1: I just got to keep making money. I gotta stay hot,
Speaker 1: I gotta stay funny, and everything else to figure itself.
Speaker 1: Out and I just didn't do the work. So then
Speaker 1: I looked up, you know, twelve kids later, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I could have did things very differently. But you know,
Speaker 1: I stand firm on all of my decisions because you know,
Speaker 1: I love all my kids, I love my family infrastructure.
Speaker 1: But I know it all started from a place of
Speaker 1: pain and not really healing properly, and you know, because
Speaker 1: I had access to everything, so I just allowed that
Speaker 1: to kind of cloud of my decision making.
Speaker 3: So you think having all those kids was a response
Speaker 3: to your.
Speaker 1: Trauma, Yeahred hundred now that now I'm learning that now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it wasn't. And it wasn't like I was acting out.
Speaker 1: It was more of being careless, being frivolous with my
Speaker 1: process because I could do it because I had the money,
Speaker 1: because I had the access to whoever, and however I
Speaker 1: wanted to move. And you know, okay, they coming at me,
Speaker 1: they asking me opposed to like doing the mature thing
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, well it probably makes more sense to
Speaker 1: do this, and then obviously life happens as well. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't by It wasn't like oh I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: have twelve kids. It was more about like, yo, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just live life and have fun and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1: I can handle it when it probably, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: being almost forty five, now, I could sit back and
Speaker 1: be like, Yeah, if I would have thought the process
Speaker 1: through a little bit more and took time to actually
Speaker 1: do the inner work, things might have been a little different.
Speaker 1: In certain scenario.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't have twelve kids.
Speaker 1: I don't need. I don't know, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that, That's the only thing because every and I said,
Speaker 1: I've always said this, Every child that I had was
Speaker 1: made out of love and there were strong relationships. It's
Speaker 1: just it was if I would have did the work
Speaker 1: in the healing after getting divorced, I probably would have
Speaker 1: took my time and a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: other scenarios, and for whatever reason, I thought that was
Speaker 1: the answer. A lot of times it was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just I'm gonna figure it out over here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure it out over here, apposed to like yore,
Speaker 1: Now you're leaving trauma every every step of the way,
Speaker 1: instead of you know, fixing it from its origin and
Speaker 1: then being able to present itself. But then I still
Speaker 1: I mean, like concepts like monogamy and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I still feel the same way, but it actually has.
Speaker 5: Your view on that change then.
Speaker 1: Nah, not really not for me, you know, And that
Speaker 1: again that probably that's the work of you know, whether
Speaker 1: you want to go back to like Freud's process of
Speaker 1: like my childhood and my upbringing, I grew up in
Speaker 1: a very unorthodox situation in household, so I've always understood that,
Speaker 1: you know, love happens differently, so monogamy has never really
Speaker 1: been my thing. But so that I'm pretty sure there's
Speaker 1: that plays a part.
Speaker 3: Of it as well too.
Speaker 4: How the women that are that you have kids with,
Speaker 4: how do they handle the healed version of you now?
Speaker 4: Because in the trauma you're talking about, I'm sure they're
Speaker 4: coming to you with conversations that you're having differently now
Speaker 4: than you were before you started to take the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean shouts out to all my therapists, uh
Speaker 1: because not no, not because there's you know, I'm definitely
Speaker 1: I have family therapy with some of my kids, you
Speaker 1: know what i mean, because there they have to understand
Speaker 1: that this is an unorthodox, you know, non traditional scenario,
Speaker 1: and I want them to be in the healthiest space
Speaker 1: as possible. Then I have my own personal then I
Speaker 1: actually do do relationship you know, therapy as well. So
Speaker 1: depending on who like I, there's there's been something.
Speaker 3: He said, depending on who take.
Speaker 1: No. But in a sense, because I you know, through
Speaker 1: you know, trial and error, what I've learned with the
Speaker 1: mothers of my children. They sometimes they'll say, can we
Speaker 1: go to therapy together? And I say, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: so then they get a safe space to present, you know,
Speaker 1: their issues with me and what I'm doing, and you know,
Speaker 1: I retreat a lot of times in my nature. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of that's that's one of my defense mechanisms
Speaker 1: is that I just be like, I don't want.
Speaker 3: To deal with it.
Speaker 1: So I've learned that all right, if we can have
Speaker 1: a safe setting to where and I'd say, whoever you pick,
Speaker 1: you know, because I have my own you know, counseling
Speaker 1: and things like that. But if they find somebody that
Speaker 1: they like and they want to invite me in, then
Speaker 1: we'll sit and we'll do that. And that's so I
Speaker 1: feel like that's once because there's so many once you
Speaker 1: and what that does, that gives you the tools to
Speaker 1: know how to communicate with each other right, and there's
Speaker 1: like because there's even things that thinks, like there's the
Speaker 1: goutment theory they call like the four horsemen that I
Speaker 1: would teach this to anybody who's in any kind of
Speaker 1: relationship because those are the four Yeah, it's like the
Speaker 1: four things to avoid when having a disagreement with your partner.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I think the first one is like
Speaker 1: obviously criticism, and criticism turns into uh, just it just
Speaker 1: spirals and it gets into this space where you find
Speaker 1: yourself arguing more than actually finding the solution of what
Speaker 1: the actual issue is. So if you can instead of
Speaker 1: just instantly saying, well, you made me feel like this,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, can I share with you how I'm
Speaker 1: feeling right now? And then in those things where you
Speaker 1: can actually get to the resolution and the solution so
Speaker 1: much faster, but you can allow yourself to emote, and
Speaker 1: then it's almost even like presenting to your partner and
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, I really appreciate I see
Speaker 1: you trying here, here, here, and here, but can we
Speaker 1: work on this, this, this and this? And then when
Speaker 1: you can find somebody that you can communicate with like that,
Speaker 1: it actually you really won't have any problems because you
Speaker 1: have the same goals and agenda, so you just go
Speaker 1: about it in different ways.
Speaker 3: Emotionally, I know, you got to go to this, so
Speaker 3: you gotta go through dirty.
Speaker 4: But I was going to ask, how do you deal
Speaker 4: with the women you have kids with dating other people,
Speaker 4: especially with like Mariah care Right, it's very public essentially
Speaker 4: her Anderson pacop do y'all have conversations about who they're
Speaker 4: dating when they meet the kids, Like is that normal
Speaker 4: traditional for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, I don't have no problems with it.
Speaker 1: It never really did. I mean, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously Mariah has been in a few relationships, you know,
Speaker 1: since we've been divorcing, it's always been cool, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and you know, and even making sure
Speaker 1: that it's healthy for our kids well, and they've handled
Speaker 1: all of it, you know, extremely well. And even you know,
Speaker 1: there's a few other mothers and my children who have
Speaker 1: relationships and stuff, and it's like, again, probably if you
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I probably if you go back
Speaker 1: a couple of interviews. The last time I was in here,
Speaker 1: there was times where I was like, Nah, this is mine.
Speaker 1: She can't she can't them. Yeah, yeah, like if she
Speaker 1: go do what you want to do, I'm not. But
Speaker 1: now I'm in a space where like I just want
Speaker 1: everybody to be healthy and happy, and if someone else
Speaker 1: can make you happy, please by all means, you know,
Speaker 1: long and especially if it's gonna for the betterment of
Speaker 1: our child. Like yeah, like a lot of times that
Speaker 1: I see that as as you know, help in that
Speaker 1: sense to where because you want the mother to be
Speaker 1: in the most healed and healthy space that she can
Speaker 1: possibly be in, and whatever gets you there, then that's
Speaker 1: what should be. Now. Of course, the little bit of
Speaker 1: ego that that I struggle with each and every day,
Speaker 1: it's like I want to make sure if you want
Speaker 1: to be with me, then I want to be with you,
Speaker 1: and we can you know, reciprocate that energy. But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to force anybody to to be, you know,
Speaker 1: down with me if you don't want to. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you do, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: You never wanted to get at the board.
Speaker 1: Digit uh ah, I don't know. That's that's complicated now obviously, No,
Speaker 1: Like the easy question is like nah, like that you said,
Speaker 1: I felt like a complete failure on so many different
Speaker 1: levels because of that, but I also knew it was
Speaker 1: probably that's what's was. It was best for you know,
Speaker 1: specifically our kids and and kind of being able to
Speaker 1: be the best parents we could be. So it was
Speaker 1: a tough decision. It was definitely a tough decision, but
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't change it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: looking back, I think it was the it was the
Speaker 1: right decision. And I think, you know, when I look
Speaker 1: at all of the amazing things Mariah's doing right now,
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, that's that's dope, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like she's in such a wonderful space, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing all right, and the kids are thriving.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, we we did. We made the best
Speaker 1: decision for us, because I don't know if it would
Speaker 1: have been that way, if I would have been the immature,
Speaker 1: young dude. I was trying to figure it all out
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 2: And it's just wild because you know, you said you're
Speaker 2: trauma response with the God damn be it as many
Speaker 2: women as possible. But if in that moment you would
Speaker 2: have just said, maybe even the Mariah or whoever you
Speaker 2: hurt my feelings right, like, you know, my feelings are hurt.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so hard for men to say it is,
Speaker 1: and to me it wasn't. It's like I hurt my feelings.
Speaker 1: And that's what I didn't I couldn't understand because the decision.
Speaker 1: I was so insecure and really letting the outside noise,
Speaker 1: uh get to me in that sense of like where
Speaker 1: people will calling me like a boy told and that
Speaker 1: I was, And then I felt like I watched my
Speaker 1: own existence kind of get put in the shadow, and
Speaker 1: so I didn't know how to deal with that. So
Speaker 1: then there was this the ego in me was acting
Speaker 1: out where opposed to like and I was trying, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I was like, nah, I can
Speaker 1: do it. I can hold it down in it, but
Speaker 1: it was just eating away at me. It was like
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm being myself. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I'm getting the opportunity, and I can't be in
Speaker 1: somebody shadow my entire like I want to make money,
Speaker 1: I want to be a CEO, I want to be
Speaker 1: a billionaire and all of that stuff. And it was
Speaker 1: I was having all these experiences that I was creating
Speaker 1: on my own, like it wasn't reality, Like I was
Speaker 1: the one making all of this stuff up. Like I
Speaker 1: had a loving wife who just loved me and we
Speaker 1: had amazing but I was like, nah, I gotta gotta
Speaker 1: wear suits every day and I gotta be like I'm
Speaker 1: the ball, like and it just created this monster in
Speaker 1: me that you know, took me in a direction that
Speaker 1: I really didn't have to go in. But the ego
Speaker 1: of wanting to be the man in my household, wanted
Speaker 1: to be the man in the industry, wanting to prove
Speaker 1: everybody wrong, that took over. And then therefore, you know,
Speaker 1: years later looking back and lots of therapy and like,
Speaker 1: oh man, that was purely my narcissistic ego really tearing
Speaker 1: me down, which was really all of these insecurities that
Speaker 1: I had never worked through.
Speaker 4: Do you ever have times where like you like slipped
Speaker 4: back into it. Because we did a segment up here
Speaker 4: where Mariah care was saying that she was she had
Speaker 4: didty tupac oh yeah, and then Charlotte joked like she
Speaker 4: didn't need to, but you reposted it. When you reposted it,
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, Nick, can it like stopped playing
Speaker 4: with him?
Speaker 1: But I mean the thing also that Charlie knows this
Speaker 1: about me, Like I'm I'm all for the jokes. I'm
Speaker 1: all for the good time. Like you, I'm never going
Speaker 1: nothing can make me mad, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So like that type. And it's funny like even in
Speaker 1: our house, like Maria used to have like literally the
Speaker 1: picture of Tupac in the bubble bath or she got
Speaker 1: a big giant version. I think, you know what the
Speaker 1: like on are the bathrooms and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: it's like women love Tupac like that. Ain't like that's
Speaker 1: one of them things you can't You ain't never gonna
Speaker 1: be able to compare yourself to Tupac.
Speaker 5: You never asked her like why this picture of all
Speaker 5: the pictures?
Speaker 1: I think you know, it was a David la Chapelle picture.
Speaker 1: And now she got a relationship with all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I get it. I wasn't intimidated by it. I
Speaker 1: mean I got ads too.
Speaker 2: They wove Smith ever bond over that.
Speaker 4: Now I understand Nick at Night in the show and
Speaker 4: the love and the relationship and advice and all that
Speaker 4: stuff with you because you hear right today, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I get it. Before I'm like why and not a relationship.
Speaker 1: It's so funny too, because when people hear like, oh,
Speaker 1: Nick can't give an it. I'm not giving no advice,
Speaker 1: Like if anything, I can get insight. But there's professionals
Speaker 1: there that are given the real advice. But it's just
Speaker 1: I'm going through a healing process. I'm working and a
Speaker 1: lot of the therapists that you see on their therapists
Speaker 1: that I've actually really worked with in the past and
Speaker 1: kind of done stuff, so I know their history and
Speaker 1: that and they can actually really help. And that's just
Speaker 1: the same thing that I mean, Charlotte does this as well.
Speaker 1: It's like we just got to encourage doing the work
Speaker 1: in therapy, and especially for black men, because we look
Speaker 1: at it as a bad thing. We look at it
Speaker 1: as like yo, you must be crazy or something wrong
Speaker 1: with you. Where it's like, nah, man, it's really saved
Speaker 1: my life in so many aspects, from relationships to personal
Speaker 1: work to you know, working through trauma. It's made me
Speaker 1: a better person. So if I can offer up platform
Speaker 1: from whether it's a the Council culture platform, whether it's
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon at Night, where I can introduce psychologists and
Speaker 1: therapists to the space and people, you know, brace it,
Speaker 1: I'm with it.
Speaker 3: No, you inspired me I need to dig deeper. I
Speaker 3: want to talk to that guy that you talked about
Speaker 3: that did.
Speaker 1: The brain scan and doctor amen and diagnosed you with
Speaker 1: the n He wasn't the one that did the MPD,
Speaker 1: but he was, like he actually helped me because when
Speaker 1: he found out that I got diagnosed with MPD called
Speaker 1: me and he was like, he was like you, He's like,
Speaker 1: you definitely have MPD, but I believe it's because of
Speaker 1: your brain and not because of the decisions that you make.
Speaker 1: And so that actually helped me understand it because that's
Speaker 1: because once you once somebody labels you with something, then
Speaker 1: you're like oh, and he was like, no, you actually
Speaker 1: he's like, we can fix all of that. And then
Speaker 1: so he actually, you know, gave me a process of
Speaker 1: like how to you know, physically work through all of
Speaker 1: that trauma and actually have a healthier brain.
Speaker 2: My last question, if you had a child with every
Speaker 2: woman you ever had sex with, how many kids would
Speaker 2: you have?
Speaker 1: Damn? I don't know. That's like I don't every I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: That wasn't a real question to be twenty years from now.
Speaker 3: Nick can.
Speaker 1: Legacy, I don't know, man, somebody that really just it's
Speaker 1: weird because I'm in a space right now. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we live I feel like we live
Speaker 1: in a simulation and it's as fast as this world
Speaker 1: is moving. We're in this like dystopian society right now,
Speaker 1: and I'm almost the present is so important, you know
Speaker 1: what i mean. I'm not even thinking about the future
Speaker 1: other than my children and just wanting to create a
Speaker 1: best space for them. But because of I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've heard like from how Fast AI is Moving
Speaker 1: and even like I'm like, have y'all ever read that
Speaker 1: the book from back in the Day George orwell nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four. Yeah, yo, yeah, it's so it's happening as
Speaker 1: we speak. So was this dude. He wrote a book
Speaker 1: right after World War Two called in nineteen forty nine.
Speaker 1: It's called nineteen eighty four because he was talking about
Speaker 1: the future and what he thought he was and it said,
Speaker 1: I mean you've heard like Big Brothers Watching and all
Speaker 1: of that type of stuff, but it's literally what today
Speaker 1: is to where they had like as the Ministry of
Speaker 1: Truth and they were like literally changing history, and that
Speaker 1: it was dude's job to actually go and change history
Speaker 1: for the powers that be it was a constant war
Speaker 1: always going on so they could perpetuate money. It was
Speaker 1: like everything was under surveillance and they had this stuff
Speaker 1: called like truth speak and knew and it's like wow
Speaker 1: when you look at how one it was predicted, But
Speaker 1: how really stuff like time and all that stuff is
Speaker 1: so man made that I always, at least the space
Speaker 1: I'm in now, I'm like, I'm not even thinking about
Speaker 1: the future in that sense. I'm just really trying to
Speaker 1: operate in the present as much as I probably and
Speaker 1: be the best person I could be in the present,
Speaker 1: because I do I feel like this this is a simulation,
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to get as much as we're supposed
Speaker 1: to get out of it because it can change like that,
Speaker 1: and I just think, I mean, obviously we all know
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world. It's like it's so
Speaker 1: much poison out there that the future is not inspiring
Speaker 1: to me. So I just want to be the best
Speaker 1: I can be in the moment now. My lineage obviously
Speaker 1: is all about my children, but I don't even that
Speaker 1: legacy thing. I kind of and also one of my
Speaker 1: therapists that taught me that that legacy conversation can also
Speaker 1: be associated with the narcissistic approach as well, because now
Speaker 1: I'm building my legacy when that's all ego as well
Speaker 1: to putting your name on buildings and buying all of
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's like, we think that's what we should
Speaker 1: be achieving. But in a if we're going to get
Speaker 1: to the the utopian aspect of what we all do,
Speaker 1: we all should be each other like this.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: If you love nineteen eighty four, I want to recommend
Speaker 2: because I know people are going to go buy that
Speaker 2: book after they heard and talk about the Octavia Butler's
Speaker 2: parable of.
Speaker 3: The Sour Sore.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you should read that too, because that talks
Speaker 2: about like what's going on now. She put that out
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three, and it talks about Los Angeles
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, and it's ravaged by climate change
Speaker 2: and social inequality instability.
Speaker 1: So yeah, nah, I'm a definitely top that one. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so weird. I mean, like, obviously it's to
Speaker 1: know that it's always been in the books and nothing's new,
Speaker 1: and then it really makes you step back and be like, yo,
Speaker 1: people know, the people who know, they know, and they
Speaker 1: put it in the books and we just come we
Speaker 1: glaze over it a lot of times, but it's like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is we living in a time. And I think
Speaker 1: we've probably always been living in this time, but it's
Speaker 1: so potent right now because of the energy that's out there,
Speaker 1: and it's really it's a dystopian society, but you know,
Speaker 1: there is hope that we can get it to the
Speaker 1: other side of it, and you know that's where I
Speaker 1: hope we're going in that direction.
Speaker 2: Nicholas Scott Cannon. Ladies and gentlemen, sir, thank you for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 3: My brother.
Speaker 1: This is fun.
Speaker 3: It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Hold on every day, a wake ago, class up, the
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3: Y'all finish for y'all done.