WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Nick Cannon Opens Up On Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Maturity, Legacy + More 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:06.320 I don't know. Every day click up the breakfast clubs, y'all. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.479 Dumb yeps world most dangerous, wanting to show to breakfast 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.119 club Charlamagne and God, DJ Nvy just hilarious, Envy and 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.079 jets on here, but Laura l Rossa is and we 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.000 got a special guest in the building, A man. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:16.680 I have no problem calling an icon. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.920 I appreciate it can in his head. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:21.599 How you doing, my. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.320 Man, man, I'm good. I mean I would say the 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.120 same about you, man, not yet not come on man, 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:28.400 quick playing. You know. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:29.639 The reason made me think of that, I was I 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.599 was listening to you on myth Bleak podcast, okay, and 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:33.960 I was just like, I don't know if it's because 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.760 you and Bleak got such history, but I don't know. 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.400 I feel like I heard a different side of you 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:40.080 in that interview. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.320 I don't know why. It was like it made me 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:43.680 look at things in a different perspective. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:45.400 Not like I didn't always look at you in that way, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.720 but I'm like, yo, Nick has really done a lot. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.520 And I remember it was one part you was talking 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.080 about how you just wanted to do things that were 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:56.320 always authentic. Yeah, And it made me start thinking about 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.560 all the different hats you won the comedian, acted, TV holes, rapper, directed, executive, 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.200 And I was just like, damn nah, especially. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.080 Coming from you, man, because that's even that conversation that 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:12.480 was when Smith was up here, and he was. But 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.240 I've been in this game for so long, Like I've 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.080 been running through New York since the nineties, you know 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.080 what I mean. And I used to run with them 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.120 because we was all kind of young and stuff, so 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.920 and they everybody used to look out for me because 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.640 I was like this kid that was doing stand up 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.520 and rapping and all of that stuff, so everybody would 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.320 look out for me. It's like from Jay to you know, 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.800 Will Smith, all of those different people kind of took 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.319 a liking to me. So I've seen the game since 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.720 the nineties. And to your point, man, like I've been 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:44.920 blessed to be able to do so many different things. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.240 But it's like time, you don't think, like, damn, thirty 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.520 years have passed, you know what I mean. Like and 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.680 I've done I've done so much stuff that I forgot 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.640 about a lot of times. But it's like you know, 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.480 from the movies, the TV shows and all that stuff, 0:01:58.480 --> 0:01:59.880 and now I'm just in a space man, where I'm 0:01:59.920 --> 0:02:02.560 just trying to operate and be the best father I 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:06.080 can be. And you know, peace, that's a peace was 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:07.080 most important? 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:11.200 Which role feels more most authentically used and which one 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.760 do you think people underestimate? 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.320 I think, I mean, if we're talking like artistry, I 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.600 love acting, I mean at the core, but stand up 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.240 is what got me on. You know what I mean. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.800 Stand up is what you can do for the rest 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.440 of your life. And it's evolved in such a way 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:32.359 now so I probably never stopped doing that. There used 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.239 to be this idea of like, oh, I want to 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.880 be the entrepreneur and the hustler, and I kind of 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.359 I did that for like ten fifteen years and did 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:41.840 it heavy. It made a lot of money in and 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.640 it was like it ain't even really about that no 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.359 more so if I'm talking about my craft, I think 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.960 I really enjoy acting, but I'm still going to be 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.760 the business man that I am. I still now I'm 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.000 in that space where I just want to give people opportunities, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.720 and so that has kind of almost stepped in front 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:01.560 of like how much money I can make it like, yo, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.400 how many people can I help? And that's why I say, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.880 with you, man, I mean from the Black Effect to 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.480 every everything you're building in the space is a mental 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.560 health Like it's so necessary and so needed that I 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.920 don't think you get the flowers as much as you 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:20.640 should because you are quietly building culture for this next 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.040 generation where nobody else is doing it, like, and you're 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.680 doing it in a way where it's unapologetic and I 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:31.560 mean it's it's from somebody who always wanted to do 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.200 it and literally watched you build it. I'm like, man, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:35.920 that's so dope, but you did build it. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.680 That's what I'm saying. Like, to me, the underestimated part 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.800 about you is your role as an executive because you 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.000 didn't know while I was going on with twenty two seasons. 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.320 Yeah yeah, yeah, like you know, people don't may not 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.840 know the MASD singer, you're an executive producer of that. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.560 Yeah that was he was like, I brought it out, Yeah, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.720 we got it. We took it from it was a 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:59.480 Korean property, it was, and it was a hit over 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.480 overseason we brought it here and now what season fourteen. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:05.960 So it's just like, but that's a that's to me, 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.320 those are things like I just enjoy it, and I 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.480 guess that's the business mindset as an executive. But to me, 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.279 like that's like I'm sowing that space now, like I'm 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.760 probably creating maybe three or four different game shows and 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.159 stuff like that coming up, because I understand like, oh, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.719 I can have fun doing this, But then at the 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.680 same time, this is an empty space that you don't 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.400 really see us in that much. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.520 So you're the chairman of Team Nick for ten years. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.440 Ten years. Yeah, yeah, we was over there fifteen fifteen 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.039 and you was over there. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.480 That story fucked me up because I didn't realize what 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.480 a mass single story bumed upcause I didn't realize you 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.480 left America's Got Talent. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.880 Yeah, I mean, well that was dang. It was so 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.440 long ago. But you know, me running my mouth doing 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.120 saying stuff I ain't had no business saying, Uh, well, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.159 actually I was telling jokes in my stand up in NBC. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.920 Didn't like it, and they kind of like threatened to 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.760 fire me. And I was on my Chappelle shit at 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.120 the time, like I had been kicking it with him, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.400 and I was like, oh, well, they go, well I 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:15.120 quit and I literally just stepped away from from America's 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.760 Got Talent, And everybody's like, yo, this is the biggest 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.840 mistake of your entire career million yeah, yeah, and it 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.159 was people are like jobs like that don't come around again. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.719 Howard Stern was trying to convince me to stay, and 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.840 he I'm looking up to him because he told NBC 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.000 when you know, back in the day that he was 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.840 leaving and all that stuff, so and he was like, nah, man, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.599 keep that job, Simon. Everybody was trying to convince me. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.719 And then I was like, nah, I know my worst 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.479 And then I went and created a show over at 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.400 Fox that was bigger than America's Got Talent. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.240 When you posted about you leaving AGC back all those 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.400 years ago, you had said that at one point you 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:50.960 were in a dark place about trying to figure out 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:51.480 the decision. 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:58.400 Yeah, because everybody was like against me, like my entire team, 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.440 and I'm like, what am I making a a bad 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.120 decision because I'm literally trying to stand up for freedom 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.120 of speech and stand up for my culture and all 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:10.839 of that stuff. And it was like, wait, I feel 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.000 like I'm making the right decision, but nobody they're like, nah, man, 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.560 you gotta this is how the game worst. And you 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.320 your highest paid hosts on television and all that stuff. 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.880 You step away from that, you know, the industry's not 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.159 gonna rock with you no more. And I just stood 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.640 ten toes down. But it was definitely a dark place 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:32.200 because I mean, and that's happened a few times in 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.000 my career, so like at certain points it's like, oh, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.040 I know what this is. It's a cycle, you know 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:39.000 what I mean? So long as I can always stay 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.719 true to myself, then it ain't never gonna be an 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.400 issue with me. But it was scary, you know when 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.200 the first times happened, you don't know, like, dang, is 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:48.680 this over? 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:49.200 Dan? 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.520 How am I gonna feed my family from this point on? 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.919 If everybody around me agents managed, everybody's like, nah, you 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.680 got to figure this out. But you know, luckily you 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.839 believe it in yourself. Definitely plays what did. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.960 You learn about like how to navigate the race conversations 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.560 working with corporations from that, because I know the joke 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.320 was it was you jokingly saying. 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:17.960 Yeah, nigga, be careful, it's true, right, uh, And they 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.760 didn't like that. But again, and we had we had 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:26.320 several conversations, you know, closed door, and it was just 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:33.240 it was when you feel something isn't authentic, you just 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.120 kind of know, like, yo, I'm gonna just trust my 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.120 gut and sometimes because I don't. I don't think there 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.720 was any malice even from their side and stuff. They're 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:41.840 trying to protect their brand. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:42.760 Uh. 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:44.920 And then there was part of me that just at 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.640 that time in my life, I was soap boxing, so heavy, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.840 you know what I mean. I wanted to pontificate. I 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.160 wanted to and that's the energy I think even a 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:57.640 lot of us was on when it was really just like, yo, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.840 we're standing up for us and we whip and all 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.000 of that. And I think rightly, so it was a 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.280 good decision at the time. But now that I'm you know, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.720 a little more mature and all that stuff, it's like, Yo, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.840 you definitely got to know how to pick your battles. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.600 Even though I won that one. And you know, I 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.960 would encourage people to always stand firm and who you 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.320 are and what you represent, but that can it can 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.600 drain you so much, you know what I mean. And 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:27.680 like I said, it's only a boy the grace of 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.360 God that you know, I am able to continue on 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:35.240 and continue to keep going and not stopping. So but yeah, man, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.600 at this point, man, I'm just I'm chilling. IM just 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:39.720 like I'm just like I said, piece is the most 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:40.600 important thing to me? 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:43.480 Oh that was my. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.719 I mean we can go anywhere. I don't want to 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.680 take go off of that. I guess talking about peace 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.640 right and some of the things that drain you when 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.480 you picking and choosing these shows. Some people you work 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.480 with now you today because I know you've had a 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.600 lot of situations that worked and didn't work, artists You've 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.520 tried to helping things of that nature. Yeah, the people 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.880 business is really tricky when it comes to peace. So 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.880 has there been people that have come in the cannon 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.520 and the cannon is like, yeah, I'm not let you 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:09.320 dream my energy. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:13.800 Uh yeah, all the time. I mean, but more than anything, 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.240 especially when you're dealing with talent, they gotta want it 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.440 more than you do. I've made the mistake a lot 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.760 of times where I see something in somebody or see 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.720 the vision and like, man, they got it, but they 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:29.840 don't actually work hard enough. The talent is clearly there, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:31.480 but they don't know what it takes. And then they 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.559 feel like, oh well, I'm with Nicks, so I'm good. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:38.079 And it gets to a space where you know, spend 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.240 millions and millions of dollars on different artists and different 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.040 projects and stuff, and they don't go because the energy 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.800 on it from the standpoint of who you're trying to help, 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.679 they not believing in themselves one hundred percent yet. So 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.720 now even more than talent, I look for someone's drive 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.920 and if they really got it, and they do it, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.840 and I think even when you look at what the 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.760 labels and stuff are, that's what they pay attention they do. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.200 But they but they pay attention to who has the motion. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.000 They pay attention to who has the drive because then 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.480 they all they got to do is throw bread behind 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.440 that and then it's going to go. But if they 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.080 don't develop, nothing no more. And and to be honest, 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.240 I mean JD said a lot of times they didn't 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.840 back in the day, they didn't develop. They just had 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:26.040 cats like JD or Puff or you know all of 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.719 those different you know, black owned labels that they were 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.040 the ones that did it developing and then they had 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.880 the relationship with the majors. So you know, that's the 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.560 idea now to where it's so much entertainment, so much 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.280 content out there now that our curation system is the 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.400 thing that's the most important. I mean, that's why y'all 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.920 are who y'all are, because this is the only space 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:52.040 to really pull up and actually curate and understand, like yo, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.600 if they said it on the Breakfast Club or if 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.000 we heard about it there, then that's really we don't 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.600 have too many other spots that actually can do that anymore. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.600 I feel like, while that has been a curious space too, 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.160 like you know, and it's become like this cultural institution 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.520 for hip hop and comedy. And I always wonder, what's 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.880 the one decision you made early on that you think 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.800 like ensured the longevity. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:16.559 Of damn listening to the young folk more than anything. 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.000 I mean, wild'n I was a journey in itself too, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.880 because nobody believed in that that was something I'd invest 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.400 in on myself. Lucky, that was early MTV days, like 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:30.280 I was, you know, hosting TRL and all the spring 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.040 breaks and all of that type of stuff. And they 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.280 gave me a deal and they wanted me to do 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.200 like some punk type of show because that's where Ashton 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:38.840 was popping at the time. And I was like, now 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.280 I want to bring my friends together and mixed hip 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.120 hop and comedy and improv together. And they didn't understand it, 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.480 and so I went shot it with my own money 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.199 and then they got it, but then I owned it. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.000 So then from that standpoint, that obviously probably was the 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.240 best decision of just making sure that I owned my 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.920 ip from the gate. And then I think we did 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.640 like a strong four seasons and then you know, I 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.600 got married and things start shifting up between you know, MTV, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.560 and there was MTV two was created and all of that, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.280 and so when I brought it back for MTV two 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.400 and MTV two was like really like the hip hop MTV. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.520 We kind of just you know, ran that channel. I mean, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.600 that's when me and Charlotte really got got down back then, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.560 because that we was just making whatever we wanted to 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.680 do on MTV two. It was like we'd literally be 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.480 over there and they kind of gave us free reign 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.280 to kind of be creative. And that was a time, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:36.800 you know what I mean, I was like mid two 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.400 thousands and U from there. I think the longevity just 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.640 finding cats like you know, the eighty five South crew 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.720 and you know hit Man Holler and Conceded and Justina 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.560 and like they kind of keep the brand going where 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.240 even from the Gate, from even the Cat Williams days 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.680 and Kevin Hart Day. I've always been the dude that 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.760 just fell back and let everybody else shine. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.679 You remember, we was gonna we were going to do it, 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.160 was gonna bring your MTV raps back. Yeah, we were 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:05.120 executive producing that. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.360 Yeah, we did it a couple of times. We got 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.000 the crazy thing. Uh it was the hosts were gonna 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:15.160 be Jesus and Merrill and we had it on that's crazy. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.760 We had it on a bus. Uh we were it 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.600 was they were saying it. We we got this big 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:24.400 ass tour bus and we sent them all over and 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.480 me and Charlotte was executive producers and yeah, yeah. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.120 It was gonna be like a correspond Yeah. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.319 Yeah, like it's but that's the thing where we've had 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.840 the opportunity over the years is just generate stuff and 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.679 some of it works, some of it stick, and then 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.240 some of it don't. But uh yeah, man like to 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.440 have something like wild'n Out kind of just have the 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:46.680 longevity that it has. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:47.640 It's crazy. 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.079 So just now you were sitting the ip for walling 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.760 out you own, Yeah, so can you explain the bad? 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.120 What was it? The bad versus Wild? How How does 0:13:59.160 --> 0:13:59.559 that happen? 0:13:59.559 --> 0:13:59.760 The like? 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.640 How how is MTV or whoever able to come to 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:02.120 you and say. 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.840 Used to we're partners. We're still partners in, Okay. So 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.480 it's like because you got to understand too, especially when 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.400 you're dealing with like Paramount. Paramount is a publicly traded company, 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:16.080 so even within No Matt like, there's still an ownership percentage. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:16.760 Got you, okay? 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.280 You know what I mean. So if and I think 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.640 I talked about this when I was here here before, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.440 like if you own one hundred percent of something and 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.120 your partner ain't supporting you, then you never go in. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.440 So I've always valued them as my partners. But it's 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.840 always going to be stuff to where you know, I 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.320 try to move with autonomy a lot of times because 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.600 like it's mine, but still got to make sure that 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.640 the attorneys are talking to everybody and stuff because they're 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.560 just trying to protect their brand and because it is 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.760 on their networks, it is associated with them, so I 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.280 can't just go run wild and do something and they 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.640 didn't approve it and stuff like that. So you know, 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:54.720 but that's just the business. 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.280 I've been able to talk about and figure out what 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.440 all that is. Because there are reports of them being 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.600 upset the suit them none. 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.360 Of that stuff. I don't even think that was really real. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.040 I mean, I mean it was real, but I think 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:09.120 it didn't really have anything to do with me. Nah nah, 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.480 I mean, well, you know what, I don't not me, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:13.560 you know what I mean, Like, I don't know what. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.960 I think. There's something there was something between zeus in 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.400 Paramount that if you never noticed, like I was never 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.240 named in it, so I kind of always just fell back. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.040 And the whole time that happened, I'm talking, you know, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.920 everybody at Paramount is my people. So they're like but 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.640 they're like, look, we got to make sure we're protecting 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.920 and they're like, look, we're trying to protect you as well. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.360 So you know how it is, like that's just business 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.240 and that that never that type of stuff I've had 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.840 like real issues legally. That was never like a. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.800 Real thing that people come out sean when people think 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.640 that people are playing with you, because then people are like, 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:52.360 he's done so much and he's been doing it for 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:52.680 so long. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.840 Yea, so people thought that involved. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:56.680 So people were really pissed off, like how would they 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.520 do that to him when we only know wild'n out 0:15:58.520 --> 0:15:59.560 because of Nick Cannon. 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.120 Yeah, And I think because at the end of the day, 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.920 you know, and that was me and lim trying to 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.760 and I was just listening to limb like because I 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.400 really respect what he what he built, and he was like, man, 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.520 I want to do something you know where I have 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:13.680 all of our talent kind of act like they're doing 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.240 Wild Out. And I was like, why not, you know 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:17.800 what I mean? That seemed like that could be dope. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.560 He's always doing offshoots and stuff. But I guess there 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:25.000 was some history between you know, Zeus and Paramount that 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:26.760 I was like, man, I ain't getting involved in none 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.560 of that stuff. So but but it all worked out. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.880 I think there was a lot and that this industry, 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.160 you know how that goes too. There's people start putting 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:39.080 out press releases and things like that, and that stuff 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.200 makes more noise than what actually happens. And I think 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:47.600 even they figured it out super quickly, but it you know, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.400 once the headlines hit, everybody was like, oh, it's good, 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.880 it's going down, and you know, because you know, right now, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.600 like wild'n Out, we got brand new episodes Aaron right now, 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.600 but it had it was kind of on hiatus for 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.200 a second, so they were like, what's going on? Is 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:03.880 it gonna get in there was like nah, it was 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:08.040 just that was the interim of getting to the to 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.920 the new episodes. So it all worked itself out. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.200 I want to go back to something. So you all 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:13.960 doing new episodes. 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:18.000 Yeah, yeah, we got new ones running right now and 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.639 that's I think it come on every Monday night v 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.439 H one and then obviously all of this, you know, 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.560 YouTube and all of that type of stuff. But they 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.800 were rocking right now. It's going, it's going heavy. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:29.520 I'm not gonna lie. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.840 I felt a little way about the new Paramount ownership, 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.199 not because I know anything about them. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.520 It's just that that was. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.600 All home for a long time, in a long time, 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.399 guys like Chris McCarthy, Richie. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.280 Yeah, it is just because there was our people. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.919 There are people in a real way like that. Just 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.920 regime gone, Like yeah, I heard a little bit. I'm 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:48.520 not going front. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.600 Hey man, I was right like you said, I was 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:55.120 over fifteen fifteen for ten years like so, so it's 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.640 like it's it's an end of an era. But it's 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:03.760 like I think the new regime is they're trying to 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.600 hold time. I thought they was gonna sell everything, like 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.440 I thought they was gonna sell BT Nickelodeon, like yeah, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.440 and they said, nah, we're gonna keep it and we're 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.840 gonna redevelop. They trying to redevelop MTV and actually turn 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.960 it back into a music brand and stuff. So like 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:23.160 and they got the bag. So hey, I salute them, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:27.560 and like I said, uh, we're about to diversify wild'n 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.000 Out in such a way that obviously, you know, my 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.000 my main focus is being international, and even there's an 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.080 education platform that I've been working on from the gate 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.480 for like a lot of the public school systems and 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.520 even the HBCUs to where trying to build a curriculum 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:50.199 based off of you know, improv and our ability and 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.040