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Speaker 1: what is it? I Nancy Grace, this describe stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: Series M one eleven. First of all, take a listen

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Speaker 1: on here now. Following morning, deputies responded to Southeast ninety

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Speaker 1: He was found to be deceased from a gunshot wound.

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Speaker 1: You were hearing the voice of Sheriff Billy Woods in

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Speaker 1: five Stations Series six sim we have an all star panel,

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Speaker 1: But first I want to go out to Ethan Bodowski

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Speaker 1: Multimedia Journalists for a wc jb Ethan, thank you for

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Speaker 1: Who's next, right, We don't know what ties these murders together,

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Speaker 1: Randy Kessler, that sounds more like a public service announcement

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Speaker 1: Clearly this is someone that knows the area. They know

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Speaker 1: that it was the first to go. But yes, if

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Speaker 1: she made an utterance, that could come in. I can't

428
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Speaker 1: imagine a conviction being based just on that unless it

429
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: was specific you know, this person shot me. This is

430
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: why this is where, you know, people say all sorts

431
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: of things, sort of situations, they want to get things

432
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 1: off to the chest. But it would be very very

433
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: valued information. And the fact that she lingered on a

434
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: dyeing declaration does not have to include all the details

435
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: you're discussing. I mean, it's all the better if it does.

436
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: But if she just gave a name like Randy Kessler,

437
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: did it Kessler did it. Well, that would be enough

438
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: to come in and that would be very probitive. But

439
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: you would need a lot more than that, obviously, because

440
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other you know. But yes,

441
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: it would be helpful. And that's one thing that's one

442
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: benefit of her not you know, the pain and the

443
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: suffering is terrible, but there's a benefit to her not

444
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: being found dead and hopefully salvaging some information. Yes, exactly right, Matthew. Well,

445
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: you are right. You need more evidence than that, but

446
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: that's pretty strong. What more do we know? Take a

447
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: listen to this. The Sheriff's office that it appears these

448
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: shootings are all connected since the victim's body found inside

449
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: the car Saturday was owned by another victim, Layliss Silvernail,

450
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: and whoever's perpetrating the crime needs to be prosecuted to

451
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: the full deputy say at this time, they're not releasing

452
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: the names of the other teams who were killed because

453
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: their family requested a privacy law called Marcy's Law, which

454
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Speaker 1: protects their identities. Investigators say it appears to be an

455
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: isolated incident, but say they still don't have a motive

456
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: for the shootings or anyone in custody detectives say, this

457
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: case is active and ongoing. If you can help in

458
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: this investigation called the Marion County Sheriff's office right away.

459
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: You're going to keep asking questions to find out what happened.

460
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Sery McCollum. We've heard that so often this is an

461
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: isolated incident. Remember we heard that after the four University

462
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: of Idaho students were slaughtered that at first law enforcement said, yeah,

463
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: no need to worry because this was targeted, and then

464
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: a whole hell crap storm hit them right in the

465
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: head after that. From making that statement, Nancy, when you've

466
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: got three young people in the same age bracket and

467
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: a short distance apart, in the same basic free of time,

468
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: killed in the same way, I mean, this appears to

469
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: be three assassinations. It doesn't appear to be for a

470
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: sexual assault, it doesn't appear to be for a theft.

471
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: It seems like the only goal here was to murder.

472
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: So you have to think these three are isolated, these

473
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: three are together. They could have even been shot in

474
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Speaker 1: the same car. Could have been a car jacking, Absolutely

475
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: it could have been. But to control three people at

476
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: the same time, through this span of time, through this

477
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: many miles of driving. It would be unlikely to me

478
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: for it to be one perpetrator. Again, this screams to me,

479
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: this was more than one person. They were young, like

480
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: fifteen to eighteen. Crime stories with Nancy Grace to you,

481
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Ethan Medowski joining us in wc j B TV. I'm

482
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Speaker 1: very curious if these three know each other. That says

483
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: to me that very possibly the killer knew them. These

484
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: are not just a random series of attacks. What is

485
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: Marcy's law that we're hearing about and why? Of course,

486
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: the first victim we heard about, Leila Silvernell's name was published.

487
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: Then we heard about the teen boy and the teen girl.

488
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: Their names remained secret because of Marcy's Law. But now

489
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: the third girl that was in the car has been

490
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: named as Camille Quarrel. Yeah. So Marcy's law basically allows

491
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: the families of victims to protect their identity, protect any

492
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: identifying information. So still there is no identifying information except

493
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: for seventeen year old Nail about the second victim. But

494
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: the reason we know the third victim is because the

495
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: family started to go fund me, so that information has

496
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: become public through them, and they mentioned in the go

497
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: fund me page. If you read it, it says Camille

498
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: was killed along with her two friends on March thirtieth,

499
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. So that is how we know the

500
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: identity of the third victim. But within Florida, Marcy's Law

501
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: basically protects people from the you know, allows families to

502
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: not give any identifying information out to the public. Now

503
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: that wording to doctor Dane Anderson, our forensic psychologists joining

504
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: us at today, that wording our daughter was killed along

505
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: with her two friends, suggests, well, it confirms the three victims,

506
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: all three of them, not just the two females, but

507
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: all three of them were close and say acquaintances, they

508
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: say classmates. The family said friends, and it almost makes

509
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: it sound as if they were killed at the same time,

510
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: killed along with her two friends. Yes, that could be

511
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: so obviously they all knew each other, so that means

512
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: they hung out together. Does that mean they went to

513
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: the same school together? You know what, I always think,

514
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: what is the ingredient for this breeding ground for someone

515
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: to have to feel like they have to eliminate another

516
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: person like what happened in this relationship? Like what you

517
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: know personal if you know them? This as the community

518
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: is taking precautions to protect their families. Listen to our

519
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: friends WCB jay. Some families are taking more safety precautions

520
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: while deputy search for a suspect. They don't ride the

521
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: fore Willer anymore as of all this going on, because

522
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: that's exactly where when they found the car is exactly

523
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: where I let them go and then right next to

524
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: it as a retention pond take go on name right

525
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: there fore Hiller. They check in, I can see them,

526
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: I track them on my phone on their out my app.

527
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: And now you're not going anywhere alone period. Sheriff Billy

528
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: Woods is asking for help. Now. We're looking for help.

529
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: We're looking to help for the families who have lost

530
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: a loved one, and there are folks out there that know.

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Speaker 1: The tip line is three five two three six eight

532
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: three five four two repeat three five two three six

533
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: eight three five four two. As fears of a serial

534
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: killer run rampant through the community following the deaths of

535
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: three teams, a law enforcement is taking great pains to

536
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: say no, it's not a serial killer. Take a listen

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00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: to Sheriff Billy Woods. Now. One of the things I

538
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: want to start with is I want to stop the

539
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: rumors that are on social media. One of the rumors

540
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: is is that there's a fourth victim. As of right now,

541
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: there is not, nor do we have any information to

542
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: indicate that we do. Unless you know something that we don't,

543
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: and that means you're not helping us. If you do

544
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: no more, you need to call us give us that

545
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: information now. The second rumor I want to address is

546
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: the idea that there is a serial killer out there.

547
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: That is far from the truth. Now I have the

548
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: facts of what we know right now, and I can

549
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: give you that assurance that tells me that somehow they've

550
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: got a line on the killer and don't expect more murders.

551
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: Here's more from Sheriff Woods. So do not speculate on

552
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: social media because one of the things I want each

553
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: of you to think of and try to remember when

554
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: you start to type, is that there are family members

555
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: out there reading it and some of you you make

556
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: up and it's devastating to that family and you need

557
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: to stop. But however you can help us. You can

558
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: provide us this information. Call us. Now. There's things that

559
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: we cannot tell. You can't tell the media. Some things

560
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: we can't even tell the family members. One because the

561
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: law does not allow us to do it Marcy's law.

562
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: And then two, the integrity of the case itself to

563
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: ensure that we can build a solid case against this

564
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: individual that committed these crimes. This individual that says to me,

565
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: it's he believes there's one killer. If he knew differently,

566
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: he would have said this individual or individuals, you know,

567
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: back to you. Ethan Bodowski, WCJB. What led to Sheriff

568
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: Woods's reprimand regarding social media, Yeah, there were a lot

569
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: of rumors flying around in Occawaha. Yet to remember, this

570
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: is a very small town, very small community. Everybody kind

571
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: of knows each other. And I remember getting in to

572
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: the office on Monday, and you know, my assignment manager,

573
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: Amber Jackson, telling me that there are rumors flying around,

574
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: there's a four victim, there's this going on, all kinds

575
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: of people commenting all over Facebook, all these things that

576
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: they had seen. And then Marion County Shrif's apartment Monday

577
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: morning released a basically rumor control that's what they called it,

578
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Facebook posts where they shut down a lot of these

579
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: rumors that were flying around on Facebook. As he said

580
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: in the in that quote, we just heard that there

581
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: was a fourth victim, that there's a serial killer out there.

582
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, people had said they saw this or that

583
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. There was a million different Facebook comments on

584
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: these posts, but they basically, you know, put out rumor

585
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: control and they said, look, these are the facts. We

586
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: found Laila in the stumpster by Forest Lakes Park, we

587
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: found another victim up the road, and then we found

588
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: the other victim, you know, in a pond, however far away.

589
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: So they basically put a stop to a lot of

590
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: the things that were flying around. And I'm sure there

591
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: are still things flying around because again it's a very

592
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: small town, a lot of people talking to each other,

593
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: playing telephone with each other. But at the end of

594
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: the day, the Sheriff's department has said, you know that

595
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: it's not a serial killer. There is no four victim,

596
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: and that's what we have to go with. I believe personally,

597
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: and there is a working theory. Listen, listen carefully, and

598
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: you hear more facts about the events leading up to

599
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: the three murtyrs. Listen to the sheriff. All of our

600
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: victims are known or have we're known to know each other,

601
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: and we're together leading up to the incident itself. As

602
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: far as we all the information we have yes, they

603
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: are friends, okay. And the other thing that I'll hit

604
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: on real quickly is that the detectives also have information

605
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: that it's possibly tied to what we classify as hybrid game.

606
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm sorry, it was hybrid gangs. What is

607
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: that I want to be gang? You want me to

608
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: I'll use a little more plain English for everybody. I

609
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: want to be Gangs is what they are, which means

610
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: there may not have been any real motive other than

611
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: the thrill kill, the desire to be in a gang.

612
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: Randy Kelser joining me, high profile lawyer out of Atlanta.

613
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember the Doom gang as it reared its

614
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: ugly head in inner city Atlanta? Yeah? And look there's

615
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: a nine month trial going on now in Atlanta. There

616
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: tons of gang trials. That's sort of a a thing, right,

617
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: the part of the gang shoot somebody and you that

618
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: elevates you, Yeah, it elevates you within the gang. I

619
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: guess it elevates you when you get behind bars too.

620
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: I remember Doom in particular because it was the first

621
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: gang related killing that i'd seen in the office, and

622
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: what they did to the vic him was just awful,

623
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: beyond anything I'd ever seen before. You know, we're hearing

624
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: a lot regarding a possible motive, and we're learning that

625
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: the three victims were together leading up to the murders.

626
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: Athan Bodowski, what can you tell me about law enforcement

627
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: possibly speaking to a purported poy person of interest. Yes,

628
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: so yesterday, you know, Cherif Woods held up press conference

629
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Speaker 1: and you know you can read more of our reportings

630
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: at while he's one of our reporters, did a great

631
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: job and she just you know, basically reported from what

632
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: Cherrech Woods stated that they do have at least one

633
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: person of interest out there. They do have suspects. I'm

634
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: not sure if they have been able to speak with them,

635
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: but if they've brought them in, but we do know

636
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: that there are people of interest within this case and

637
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: they seem to be owning in on at least one

638
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: or two. Doctor jan Niac, What to be found on

639
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: the bodies that could be traced back to the killer

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Speaker 1: or killers, Well, any time we process on a side victim,

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Speaker 1: we're collecting fingernails, UM, the those fingail clippings just in

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Speaker 1: case there might be some DNA underneath the fingernails. UM.

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Speaker 1: We will obviously if there's the projectile there, we can

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Speaker 1: probably trace it back and get that upence over to

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. But mostly I mean, if there's anything else

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Speaker 1: on the body, we're going to look to see if

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Speaker 1: there's um white marks, you know, possibly I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: there'll be any in this particular case. Um, but if

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Speaker 1: there's any injuries to a person's hands or anywhere on

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Speaker 1: their body, maybe their neck, also, we might be able

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Speaker 1: to swab that for DNA. So it could be limited

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Speaker 1: in this case unless there was really close contact and

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Speaker 1: firearm injury. Usually isn't that a close and personal like

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Speaker 1: if it's a strangling or a you know, blunt force trauma.

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Speaker 1: Nancy got odd jump in real quick. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say, Schery, I'm gonna call him. Somebody had to

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Speaker 1: push that car into the pond, so the first place

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Speaker 1: to look is all around the back of that car

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Speaker 1: for fingerprints. Go ahead. They also picked Kayla up and

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Speaker 1: placed her in that dumpster, so there will be touch

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Speaker 1: DNA on her clothing. Well put well, put guys tipline

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Speaker 1: three five two three six eight three five four two

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalse. Goodbye friend,